Four Horsemen

[mashman]

For those who are interested, it's now available globally (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1671513/plotsummary)

1.7GB 1080p download for $8. (http://buy.fourhorsemenfilm.com/)

[Brian d marge]

For those who are interested, it's now available globally (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1671513/plotsummary)

1.7GB 1080p download for $8. (http://buy.fourhorsemenfilm.com/)

the torrent sites have it for free

Stephen,

[mashman]

They're independent and I'd like them to be able to afford to make another one :niceone:

[flyingcrocodile46]

I might have even had a look at paying for it if I didn't have to join yet another website to do so. Looks like torrent is the way.

[Nova.]

torrent ftw!! :drinknsin

[SMOKEU]

I can't afford $8.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Well! It turns out that a combination of finding another site with no membership requirement (that still charged U$8) and the fact that I couldn't be arsed uploading torrent software to the laptop I'm using, saw me buy a copy.

I have just finished watching it and was very impressed with the non conspiratorial and factual presentation of not only the problems, but also the solution. 5 Star educational documentary that we all owe it to ourselves to watch.

[Brian d marge]

Its a good watch

one needs to watch it a few times I think , ( well I do , cause the brain aint so big )

Stephen

[mashman]

Well! It turns out that a combination of finding another site with no membership requirement (that still charged U$8) and the fact that I couldn't be arsed uploading torrent software to the laptop I'm using, saw me buy a copy.

I have just finished watching it and was very impressed with the non conspiratorial and factual presentation of not only the problems, but also the solution. 5 Star educational documentary that we all owe it to ourselves to watch.

It was interesting. Nothing that we don't already know in so many ways. Of note was Stiglitz and a few others blaming the de-regulation of the Glass-Steagall Act for the crisis, something that seems more than plausible, but something that has been argued against as having caused the GFC (http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/reinstating-an-old-rule-is-not-a-cure-for-crisis/). Successfully? Sorkin's article makes sense? Still, that doesn't really help any.

The solution proposed: Land tax. I know for a fact that this is still being discussed (http://neweconomics.net.nz/) (I went to a couple of meetings) and is being actually pursued in NZ as a potential solution for backing a "local" currency. However, imho, all we'd be doing is hitting the reset button. Something that has been done before. No doubt there would be legislation put in place to stop "dodgy" dealings going on, but since when has legislation stopped "dodgy" dealings? Hitting the reset button only buys us time before we end up right back in the same position. We'll still be hammering resources, we'll still be working against each other under the guise of competition (which achieves things exponentially slower than out and out cooperation) and the same people will be "running" the world (tin foil hat my arse) and diverting their money to the pursuit of gaining yet more money. Changing the "standard" by which currency is measured is always open to abuse. I grant you that the NOW solution will also just be buying us time... but it'll offer us a better chance of fashioning ourselves some form of future. Whilst all intelligent men, they're still confined to thinking about solutions in terms of $ value irrespective of Classical or Neo-Classical economic styles. Yup sure, one of those economic models buys us more time than the other, but then NOW offers even more time on top of that again.

To that end, whilst an interesting movie that should be shown in schools/universities, it's nothing truly new and to be honest I expected more from our experts.

[Brian d marge]

Just watching it again , ,,, and it said bad things about our Donna ( summer) lost all credibility right there....
Stephen

[mashman]

Just watching it again , ,,, and it said bad things about our Donna ( summer) lost all credibility right there....
Stephen

:rofl: aye... leave disco the fuck alone mutha fuckas or we'll go all Travolta on yaw ass.

[Brian d marge]

:rofl: aye... leave disco the fuck alone mutha fuckas or we'll go all Travolta on yaw ass.
this thread needs some Donna

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As foot the movie , pretty much what Ive been saying all along ,

cept harking back to the classics , which one ?

Stephen

[mashman]

this thread needs some Donna

TUNE.

As foot the movie , pretty much what Ive been saying all along ,

cept harking back to the classics , which one ?

Stephen

The original classic... the one where skills are given for no reason other than they're useful to someone else and in return you're given someone else's skills for no other reason than they're useful ;)

[mashman]

I'm currently reading (well in fits and starts) the accompanying book.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41G9c4xjFUL._.jpg

So far there's nothing really new in it. A few explanations that bring on an unknowing, hmmmm (the one that makes you cock your head with a single nod)... but I have high hopes for the last 100 pages.

After that, I'm going to read this free online book (http://www.moneylessmanifesto.org/book/foreword-by-charles-eisenstein) by a guy who has been living moneyless in the UK for the last 3(ish) years. I wonder why he published it for free :D

[Wingnut]

In similar vain...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcGh1Dex4Yo

[gwigs]

Some other good docos,

Capitalism A Love Story
Capitalism Is The Crisis
The Corporation
The Yes Men
The Yes Men Fix The World.

[oldrider]

Gordon, if you die penniless ... you are free but "somebody else has to pay" for the cost of your disposal! (taxpayer/ratepayer et al) there is no damned escape!

[mashman]

Gordon, if you die penniless ... you are free but "somebody else has to pay" for the cost of your disposal! (taxpayer/ratepayer et al) there is no damned escape!

So? Someone has to pay for the upkeep of the living... and it only costs because there is money involved. No other reason. Loved ones are quite capable of digging a hole with spades and rolling me in. Tis pathetic that someone charges them for the privilege or joy whichever the case may be.

[carbonhed]

We'll still be hammering resources, we'll still be working against each other under the guise of competition (which achieves things exponentially slower than out and out cooperation)

The only things the hive mind of the collectivist drones has achieved better than libertarian competion are, the gulag, "arbeit mach frei", the great leap forward, the cultural revolution, year zero... and on and on it goes. Got your jackboots polished?

[mashman]

The only things the hive mind of the collectivist drones has achieved better than libertarian competion are, the gulag, "arbeit mach frei", the great leap forward, the cultural revolution, year zero... and on and on it goes. Got your jackboots polished?

Oh come on, let's keep the sheeple out of this. Yes they may well have done better than the libertarians, but there's a better generation to come... a much much much better one and I can only hope that I'm here to see it, coz it'll give the libertarians the ability to have their personal responsibility without fucking over the lives of others along the way. It'll upset the right whinge because they'll be eclipsed by any number of people and exposed as useless morons as they quiver at the thought of a world without authority, structure and a market that can be controlled by a single organisation. The socialists may well grumble, but on the whole they'll integrate much more easily into new society... and just as well coz the libertarians and right whingers will likely protest by removing their ability's from the work pool on general principle showing what a bunch of spineless spiteful useless fuckwits they actually are. With any luck their kids will help to re-educate and encourage them to join the human race. Collectivist indeed :facepalm:, in a society that will celebrate individuals and individual achievement? In a society that'll encourage individualism? In a society that'll be free from stupid draconian rulers, rules and rule? More likely a hive mind of individualists that'll blow every generation before it out of the water without getting out of first gear along with making the "industrial" and "technical" revolutions look like infants had been fumbling with an attempt at progression. I hope you get to see it too.

[carbonhed]

Oh come on, let's keep the sheeple out of this. Yes they may well have done better than the libertarians, but there's a better generation to come... a much much much better one and I can only hope that I'm here to see it, coz it'll give the libertarians the ability to have their personal responsibility without fucking over the lives of others along the way. It'll upset the right whinge because they'll be eclipsed by any number of people and exposed as useless morons as they quiver at the thought of a world without authority, structure and a market that can be controlled by a single organisation. The socialists may well grumble, but on the whole they'll integrate much more easily into new society... and just as well coz the libertarians and right whingers will likely protest by removing their ability's from the work pool on general principle showing what a bunch of spineless spiteful useless fuckwits they actually are. With any luck their kids will help to re-educate and encourage them to join the human race. Collectivist indeed :facepalm:, in a society that will celebrate individuals and individual achievement? In a society that'll encourage individualism? In a society that'll be free from stupid draconian rulers, rules and rule? More likely a hive mind of individualists that'll blow every generation before it out of the water without getting out of first gear along with making the "industrial" and "technical" revolutions look like infants had been fumbling with an attempt at progression. I hope you get to see it too.

Year zero then. It's a heavy price to pay just to make you feel like less of a loser.

[mashman]

Year zero then. It's a heavy price to pay just to make you feel like less of a loser.

:rofl:... I'm top of the world ma. And it ain't exactly year zero and it certainly isn't a heavy price to pay.