You have to be kidding (police chase criticised)

[GTRMAN]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8260533/Police-rapped-after-chase-crash

An idiot does a runner from the police whilst high on P and this article makes him sound like a victim....

[Road kill]

From memory that guy crashed well after having already lost the cops,,,,so just treat the article with the respect it deserves.

More to the point,what's ya' problem with Frogs ?

I think their cute.

[GTRMAN]

From memory that guy crashed well after having already lost the cops,,,,so just treat the article with the respect it deserves.

More to the point,what's ya' problem with Frogs ?

I think their cute.

No problem with frogs, just draws a comparison. It's a quote from Terry Pratchett

[Scuba_Steve]

An idiot does a runner from the police whilst high on P and this article makes him sound like a victim....

Wouldn't say it made him sound like the victim, but it does sound like the cop operations were a complete fuckup.
But it has to be asked, how is he still alive??? 120km/h in a 50km/h area, not only was he speeding in a 50km/h area, he woulda been speeding in a 100km/h area... I'm beginning to think the propaganda machine's been lying to me all this time :innocent:

[James Deuce]

No problem with frogs, just draws a comparison. It's a quote from Terry Pratchett
He's trying to figure out if you're mates with Gareth Morgan.

I have no issue with the outcome of the "chase" in question as it highlights at least one of the potential "consequences" a few people on here have suggested they'd accept if they did a runner.

There's a growing body of evidence to suggest that Police chases are largely pointless and in some cultures with a more Gung-ho force, more dangerous than arming the Police, especially for bystanders.

I've seen some judiciaries suggest that running from the Police should be changed from a road traffic offence to a criminal charge equivalent to resisting arrest, especially given that by the time a Police person has decided to stop someone there is an increased chance that they're eligible for arrest anyway, which combined with the ability of Police in many counties to collect a lot of detail about a perp and to track that perp after they've shucked off a request to stop makes more sense than involving more vehicles in an already dodgy situation and possibly escalating the speed involved. I wouldn't like to see chase procedures changed to include the ability to simply knock a rider off to apprehend them.

[steve_t]

11 vehicles and a helicopter?! For a speeder?!

[James Deuce]

11 vehicles and a helicopter?! For a speeder?!

Exactly. More than meets the eye I reckon, but not in a conspiracy theory way. I reckon they knew who it was and what state they were in, so it is probably a justified reaction.

[clonak]

I have always had the understanding that they were not ment to pursue motorbikes to an extent, on the basis that it is more risky then pursuing a car. Then I suppose pursuing a car might not be as life threatening to the driver, then it is to all the inocent by standers. But 11 cars and a attempted road block, hes definately going to try some extreme maneuvers to get away.

If they had the helicopter on him, couldnt they have just tracked him untill he stopped, then raided the address ? I doubt he would have stayed on the road for very long if he knew he had gotten away with it, I know I wouldnt. Not that I would do a runner this days, my conscience wouldnt allow it to happen.

[Conquiztador]

I might not be the biggest fan of the police, but in situations like this they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Add to the mix the long hours, added responsibility, lack of support, many personal issues that can not be brought up, a growing disrespect from the citizens and I often wonder what gets people taking policing as a career. I know I would not.

Back to the issue in OP; This will at a time in the future not be an issue with new vehicles, as I see a time when police can remotely turn off any car/bike they want to. So I will stay with my non-electronic pre 70's bikes!

[Headbanger]

Should have shot the fucker when he finally came to a halt.

Sorted.

[Damantis]

I have always had the understanding that they were not ment to pursue motorbikes to an extent, on the basis that it is more risky then pursuing a car. Then I suppose pursuing a car might not be as life threatening to the driver, then it is to all the inocent by standers. But 11 cars and a attempted road block, hes definately going to try some extreme maneuvers to get away.

If they had the helicopter on him, couldnt they have just tracked him untill he stopped, then raided the address ? I doubt he would have stayed on the road for very long if he knew he had gotten away with it, I know I wouldnt. Not that I would do a runner this days, my conscience wouldnt allow it to happen.

or even to keep pursuing anyone. It would be more about where it's happenning, the style of driving / riding observed, the road conditions, traffic density, the skill level of the officer driving in pursuit ... Stuff like that, along with whether they know why the person isn't stopping. I mean, if a bike was weaving though traffic, running red lights, on the wrong side of the road on one wheel past a school while the kids were getting out, I don't think any cop in their right mind would be following very quickly. Just too much to go very wrong, as they are undoubtedly aware.

i'm sure a lot of pursuits are abandoned for these very reasons and lots of offenders simply "get away" at least in the short term. I'm happy with that because the flip side could well mean me or my loved ones getting killed or maimed by either an offender or police officer out driving / riding their abilities in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I sometimes speed. I'm sure most of us do, to varying degrees. We all mitigate it by choosing when and where etc. The thing stopping me from doing a runner is that I know the fastest I can possibly ride and feel in control is probably not as fast as someone can drive a late model commodore. I wouldn't run that sort of risk even if I got clocked at license loss speeds. A decent radar detector so far has kept my speed within tolerance levels before being checked also.

You are right about the helicopter too. Though it's an expensive way to enforce traffic law.

[pete376403]

[You are right about the helicopter too. Though it's an expensive way to enforce traffic law.[/QUOTE]

The cost of the helicopter will be cheap when compared to the cost of treating the brain injury / support for however long it takes.

[gammaguy]

[You are right about the helicopter too. Though it's an expensive way to enforce traffic law.

The cost of the helicopter will be cheap when compared to the cost of treating the brain injury / support for however long it takes.[/QUOTE]

shouldnt cost too much,clearly it was only a very small brain

[Mom]

The cost of the helicopter will be cheap when compared to the cost of treating the brain injury / support for however long it takes.

shouldnt cost too much,clearly it was only a very small brain[/QUOTE]

Sadly, the reverse is actually true. It costs an absolute fortune to care for a brain injured person, and it goes on and on. It also has a terrible social cost too.

We were once warned by a cop (prior to a reasonalby large group ride) to behave ourselves, he said he would not bother to chase as it involved too much paperwork when the person being chased crashes, but that he was in the minority. TO be doing 120kph (as reported on the news just now) or what ever it was in a 50 kph zone is reckless in the extreme and the Police have to accept that that is simply stupid behaviour. The investigation has highlighted some deficiencies in communication and hopefully should stop this kind of out come in future.

My views on Police chases are well known. I HATE them! And I do believe that a fair amount of testosterone dictates who gets chased and who doesn't.

Flee at your own risk, but sadly it is all too often at other innocent road users risk too. The Police HAVE to ensure we are safe, so should excercise restraint.

I also support the thinking that to run is to resist and should be charged as such.

[Kickaha]

I wouldn't like to see chase procedures changed to include the ability to simply knock a rider off to apprehend them.
I would, but only if it included video put up for everyone to see

[James Deuce]

I would, but only if it included video put up for everyone to see
Shut up, I've already contacted them for distribution rights. I've told you once......

[Road kill]

I have always had the understanding that they were not ment to pursue motorbikes to an extent, on the basis that it is more risky then pursuing a car. Then I suppose pursuing a car might not be as life threatening to the driver, then it is to all the inocent by standers. But 11 cars and a attempted road block, hes definately going to try some extreme maneuvers to get away.

If they had the helicopter on him, couldnt they have just tracked him untill he stopped, then raided the address ? I doubt he would have stayed on the road for very long if he knew he had gotten away with it, I know I wouldnt. Not that I would do a runner this days, my conscience wouldnt allow it to happen.

I was sitting in a tow truck listening in on the radio when this happened.
And as I remember it they weren't still pursuing him when he crashed.
He'd already got well away and then he crashed.
The call to go an scrape up the mess came out 10-15 minites after the "chase part" was over.
I haven't even bothered reading the Herald link so don't know what they have to say about it,,,,but I bet it's not quite as true as it could be.<_<

[flyingcrocodile46]

I was sitting in a tow truck listening in on the radio when this happened.
And as I remember it they weren't still pursuing him when he crashed.
He'd already got well away and then he crashed.
The call to go an scrape up the mess came out 10-15 minites after the "chase part" was over.
I haven't even bothered reading the Herald link so don't know what they have to say about it,,,,but I bet it's not quite as true as it could be.<_<

Had you read it, it might have helped you put what you heard into proper context.

Even though it was a communication fuck up on the police part it was 99% his own fault imo.


According to the investigation, three staff members at the communications centre on three different radio channels handled the event, causing "serious communication difficulties" between the centre and some of the police units. "This contributed to confusion regarding a number of issues, including: the status of the pursuit (active or abandoned); which channel was running the incident; and the number of units involved," the authority said.
Because of the lack of communication, a West Auckland police unit set up an unauthorised road block, which Batt rode through before speeding away.
The staff member in charge at the communication centre, who then found out the pursuit had continued, ordered all units to abandon the chase.
But because it was not given across all three radio channels, some police units did not get the message.
One officer, who was on a motorcycle, did not hear the order and started chasing Batt.
During this chase, Batt reached a speed of about 120kmh in a 50kmh zone, and crashed.

[Haggis2]

Meh, stoopid P head no great loss there. Of course our super low ACC levies won't be paying for his ongoing care... :facepalm:

[BoristheBiter]

Had you read it, it might have helped you put what you heard into proper context.

Even though it was a communication fuck up on the police part it was 99% his own fault imo.

No, it was 100% his own fault.

[FJRider]

Meh, stoopid P head no great loss there. Of course our super low ACC levies won't be paying for his ongoing care... :facepalm:

Funnily enough ... there is NO mention that his motorcycle was not Registered. So it would seem he has paid the ACC levy ... and thus fully entitled legally to ongoing care.
More entitled than those that choose NOT to pay registration ...

[sidecar bob]

Whats with the desperate need to aprehend someone at a paticular given time.
People dont vaporise, they turn up like a bent penny eventually.
Surely the chase could have been abandoned & the bloke arrested at home at a later date.

[FJRider]

Whats with the desperate need to aprehend someone at a paticular given time.
People dont vaporise, they turn up like a bent penny eventually.
Surely the chase could have been abandoned & the bloke arrested at home at a later date.

That would depend entirely on the flags that appeared on Police computers when his Rego number was entered. Outstanding warrants for his arrest/previous record etc ...

[ducatilover]

Euthanise the lot of these hopeless pricks :angry:

Who can't do a successful runner these days?

[Scuba_Steve]

Euthanise the lot of these hopeless pricks :angry:

Who can't do a successful runner these days?

Well obviously those fucked up on 'P' :bleh:

[unstuck]

Who can't do a successful runner these days?

Me.:motu::facepalm:

[Banditbandit]

And fuck me dead - TV3 News last night made the deadhead out to be a bigger victim than the Herald story had ... unbelieveable !!!!

[Scuba_Steve]

And fuck me dead - TV3 News last night made the deadhead out to be a bigger victim than the Herald story had ... unbelieveable !!!!

yea I happened to saw that, at-least they passed on that the guy himself is taking full responsibility & blames himself only for his wankery

[caspernz]

An armed Police helicopter would have sorted this out quick smart...or is that the wrong approach? :innocent::shit:

[willytheekid]

Didn't see it as an issue :confused:

The guy fucked up...admitted he did so, paid for it!:pinch:(dearly!), acknowledged it was his fault and points no blame at the police what so ever!
...and the police are now ensuring there procedures are reviewed and updated due to some issues that arose from this chase.


He's not some low life trying to blame the police and everyone else for his stupid bloody actions...he's paid a pretty damn high price for his act of stupidity...and the guy is now permanently paralyzed and brain damaged...(from fucking up!...and admitting to it!)

...and yet some of you STILL want to put the boot in!...to a crippled and brain damaged ex motorcyclist who's now having to live with his mum?...who has to live this way for the rest of his life!!:blink:

http://gabrielhummel.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/jesus-with-rifle-thumb.jpg

...hows the view up there?






cos when I look up from down here....I can only see arseholes!<_<




...guys paid his dues

[caspernz]

Very true Willy, just a case of the media twisting a story on a slow news day...

[FJRider]

Very true Willy, just a case of the media twisting a story on a slow news day...

There has now been a change in Police policy ... there is now no such thing as a Police chase. Now it is simply "people fleeing Police after being signaled to stop" ...

[caspernz]

There has now been a change in Police policy ... there is now no such thing as a Police chase. Now it is simply "people fleeing Police after being signaled to stop" ...

You are now fighting fire with a new extinguishing agent...it's called gasoline...you cheeky monkey :wings:

[Zedder]

The biker has admitted it's all his fault:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10863479

[Haggis2]

Funnily enough ... there is NO mention that his motorcycle was not Registered. So it would seem he has paid the ACC levy ... and thus fully entitled legally to ongoing care.
More entitled than those that choose NOT to pay registration ...

IMO if you injure YOURSELF committing a criminal act you should not be entitled to ACC anyhoo

[FJRider]

You are now fighting fire with a new extinguishing agent...it's called gasoline...you cheeky monkey :wings:

I kid you NOT ... I'll let the Police explain it ..

http://policeassn.org.nz/newsroom/publications/featured-articles/%E2%80%98failing-stop%E2%80%99-needs-be-taken-seriously