Infringement notice -Not displaying rego in prescribed manner (in wallet)

[R-Soul]

This has probably been done before but I can never find anything on these forums searches.

I got an infringement notice for $200 for not displaying my rego. It was up to date, and all good, but I did not have the time or tools to change it. For a month.... :pinch:

So the old rego was showing, while the new rego was in my wallet. The infringement notice is not for not having a rego - just for "CURRENT LICENSE LABEL NOT AFFIXED IN PRESCRIBED MANNER".

Sure it is illegal- I get that. I am not disputing the notice. But $200? Really? Its not like it never HAD rego?! It just was not put on in time. And the officer checking it probably had access to the newfangled systems they have and knew this already.

You only get $150 for doing really dangerous things like running stop streets and bald tyres! WTF? Surely this is only worthy of a $50 fine max?

SO: Does anybody know how I can get this down a tad (meaning a LOT)?

[bogan]

I assume its a council ticket? Go in and say you will really struggle to pay it by the due date (I assume thats on the ticket), then you'll be at their mercy for a payment plan or discount. I wouldn't recommend telling them you shouldn't have got it or anything along those lines.

[FJRider]

If it was issued by a parking warden ... <_< getting off it .. :killingme

Write the letter to the issuing authority and include a copy of the receipt when you renewed the rego. It may help.

But yes ... that IS the wording of the law. IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN. And the thread subject is NOT new with plenty before yours ...

[Akzle]

fucken silly. how many times do i have to tell you, don't fucken talk to cops,

noone, and i do mean noone has ever been puled over and given money, so why fucken bother.

[Akzle]

wait. now that i've read it.

the offence you committed was "failing to display evidence of current vehicle licensing in the prescribed manner", the fee payable for that offence is 200$. suck it up. (i believe, if you don't like the rules, you're obliged to fuck off to zimbabwe)

you could try sending copy of your current licence (rego) to the council with a "sorry, i'm poor, i'm broke, want a handjob?" type letter, dont be surprised if you get a "dear driver, fuck you, it's for the good of the country that we enforce these rules" one in return.

[Gremlin]

Ok... so you know the fine is legal, ie, failure to display. You know you failed to display.

And you know the penalty is $200.

Uh... what am I missing? :mellow: You somehow think you should pay less than the amount on account of....

Oh, and you seem to also know that having rego, and displaying rego are two separate things? Just because you have rego doesn't mean you won't get fined. You also have to display it as required by law.

[FJRider]

Ok... so you know the fine is legal, ie, failure to display. You know you failed to display.

And you know the penalty is $200.

Uh... what am I missing? :mellow: You somehow think you should pay less than the amount on account of....

Oh, and you seem to also know that having rego, and displaying rego are two separate things? Just because you have rego doesn't mean you won't get fined. You also have to display it as required by law.

There must be a thread in the forums (surely) ... for all the "I got a ticket,how do I get off it .. ??" posts ... :scratch:

[unstuck]

Just rip it up and throw it away, they cant do a fucken thing. FTP.:Punk::Punk::shifty:

[Gremlin]

There must be a thread in the forums (surely) ... for all the "I got a ticket,how do I get off it .. ??" posts ... :scratch:
Yeah... it's called Pointless Drivel... <_<

[rossirep]

iv never had my rego or wof labels on my bike they have always been in my wallet, and iv never had any issue with parking guys or cops when been pulled over.
i just tell them that i keep them on me so if my bike is even nicked and gets stopped they wont just be let to ride off. mind you my bike looks like a million bucks so parking guys never look twice at it. oh and i never park it anywhere that i have to worry about that.

[Ocean1]

Ok... so you know the fine is legal, ie, failure to display. You know you failed to display.

And you know the penalty is $200.

Uh... what am I missing? :mellow: You somehow think you should pay less than the amount on account of....

Oh, and you seem to also know that having rego, and displaying rego are two separate things? Just because you have rego doesn't mean you won't get fined. You also have to display it as required by law.

It's a fucking stupid law. Nowdays they could check whether the vehicle in question is currently registered in less than a minute, so why retain a rule that's effectively obsolete?

Other than the obvious benefit to the public purse.

Far, far too many fucking rules, time to clear some of them out.

[FJRider]

It's a fucking stupid law. Nowdays they could check whether the vehicle in question is currently registered in less than a minute, so why retain a rule that's effectively obsolete?



Not if the exponents of the "Opt out scheme" get their way ... but the OP could have saved himself $200 ...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Go and get another reg sticker...make sure you get confirmation of getting it dated. Write them a letter showing them the original reciept dated the month ago...saying some low life cunt must've knicked your original label...and you hadn't noticed. You may get lucky.

[Gremlin]

It's a fucking stupid law. Nowdays they could check whether the vehicle in question is currently registered in less than a minute, so why retain a rule that's effectively obsolete?

Other than the obvious benefit to the public purse.

Far, far too many fucking rules, time to clear some of them out.
Sure, I don't see much point either, but that's the law. I've even previously been legal and still ticketed. They told me to write in and I told them I would email a photo and stop spending time on their problem.

I think some of the speed zones are stupid too, so does that mean I can speed, and then ask the cop for a discount... because, well, I shouldn't have to pay the full amount?

I guess the point is, you know what the law is, so why be surprised when it's applied?

[mashman]

I had a similar thing a while ago. A letter through the post, gimme yer money. Somehow, when putting the license into its holder, I accidentally slid the new one behind the old one. A politely written letter and a photograph of the two licenses next to each other in the holder, showing the dates etc..., seemed to reduce the fine to zero. I'm not advocating that this is the road that you should take however, as it may not yield the result you are looking for... but...........

[Berries]

I think some of the speed zones are stupid too, so does that mean I can speed, and then ask the cop for a discount... because, well, I shouldn't have to pay the full amount?
Perhaps.

The rego thing is quite clear cut. Although BS in this day and age it gives the parking wardens something else to do except check meters. Speed limits are a little different though in that as well as having to obey the signed speed limit there is a procedure to follow when setting a speed limit. Is a speed limit legal if not set in accordance with the Rule? I am sure most judges would simply say that you should have obeyed the sign but there a few technicalities hidden away in there. I know of a few speed limits that are at odds with the intent and content of the Rule and as such don't get any great compliance. I wouldn't challenge the rego thing myself but dodgy speed limits are another story.

[Ocean1]

Sure, I don't see much point either, but that's the law.

If anyone's going to go to impose on me to the extent of telling me what to do in spite of the fact that they're probably not as well qualified to make those decisions as I am then they might at least have a rational reason for doing so.

Threatening to "punish" me for ignoring fucking stupid rules isn't likely to benefit them any more than me.


I guess the point is, you know what the law is, so why be surprised when it's applied?

The OP? Didn't seem too surprised. Pissed off, yes, which, given the above I can completely understand.

[Akzle]

Far, far too many fucking rules, time to clear some of them out.

rulers*

all of them.
on your six, buddy. :ar15:

[Usarka]

Auckalnd council gave me one of those in the wagon when i went to visit my mum in emergency dying in hospital. Car had been parked up till I got around to getting a wof then rego, but given state of mind i didn't want to take the bike.

The stale semen sipping sons of bitches didn't give two tosses of a tuatara's tit.

That wasn't a good enough excuse, so best of luck to you.

[Scouse]

Ok... so you know the fine is legal, ie, failure to display. You know you failed to display.

And you know the penalty is $200.

Uh... what am I missing?That you are a complete Knob end perhaps?

[FJRider]

We have specified time parking spaces here in Paradise. But no parking wardens.

Can't rush these things ... eh .. !! :shifty:

[Milts]

Been done twice for this and never paid a fine. Am particularly lazy at replacing the stickers.

Got ticked by a parking warden. Went by the office you go to dispute such matters, filled out a form saying that my bike had been registered at the time of the ticked and I had no idea what the warden was thinking, ticket got scrapped.

Pulled over by a motorcycle cop because he saw the rego was out of date. Pulled it out of my pocket, got a letter a week later for a warning. I seem to recall that letter only listed the ticket as $80, although the one from the parking warden was$200... will have to see if I can find the letter again to confirm.

I would advise you to dispute it.

[jasonu]

This has probably been done before but I can never find anything on these forums searches.

I got an infringement notice for $200 for not displaying my rego. It was up to date, and all good, but I did not have the time or tools to change it. For a month.... :pinch:

So the old rego was showing, while the new rego was in my wallet. The infringement notice is not for not having a rego - just for "CURRENT LICENSE LABEL NOT AFFIXED IN PRESCRIBED MANNER".

Sure it is illegal- I get that. I am not disputing the notice. But $200? Really? Its not like it never HAD rego?! It just was not put on in time. And the officer checking it probably had access to the newfangled systems they have and knew this already.

You only get $150 for doing really dangerous things like running stop streets and bald tyres! WTF? Surely this is only worthy of a $50 fine max?

SO: Does anybody know how I can get this down a tad (meaning a LOT)?

Thems the rules and apparently you knew about them but couldn't be bothered to spend 5 minutes to avoid a $200 ticket. Tough shit.

[R-Soul]

Thems the rules and apparently you knew about them but couldn't be bothered to spend 5 minutes to avoid a $200 ticket. Tough shit.

I didn't start a thread setting out the facts and requesting ideas or USEFUL knowledge so that self righteous dickwads on their break between jerk offs like you can state the fucking obvious. If you have fuckall constructive to say then stow it.

Everybody hates "I told you so's".

[2SMOK]

You can run a red light, miss a few cars on the way through, get snapped by the camera and get a smaller ticket with no demerits.

I have never understood vehicle licence display tickets , or even tickets where it is actually out of date with the continuous licencing system we have. The NZTA are going to get our money in the end, so what is the problem? . We either pay it on time, or we pay it late or if we sell or dispose of the vehicle with it being out six months, we get sent the bill when the ownership is changed or plates handed in. There ain't no free rides.

Good to see plenty of regular vaseline users here ready to bend over though :niceone:

[Gremlin]

You can run a red light, miss a few cars on the way through, get snapped by the camera and get a smaller ticket with no demerits.
Running a red or orange light is 20 demerits from memory.

[McFatty1000]

Running a red or orange light is 20 demerits from memory.

Not on camera if I remember correctly - only get demerit points if its handed to you in person (unless this has changed recently?)

[unstuck]

Good to see plenty of regular vaseline users here ready to bend over though :niceone:

Yep, no discrimination against homosexuals here, so YOU should have no problems finding a fellow pillow biter on here.:Punk:

[R650R]

LOL I have a mate who does this with his labels too, reckons he's the only one who rides his bike so if a theif is on it the cops will have reason to stop it etc... Told him no all it means is you'll get a ticket from some cop/warden having a bad day at the office like the OP.
If it makes you feel any better Truckers get the same thing with RUC labels, yep pay thousands of dollars in road tax IN ADVANCE and if that labels not displayed bingo ticket. Even a faxed photocopy is only allowed to be used for seven days or something also. Cops said in Trucking mag its because of the time wasted by them having to check it on radio/computer which isn't always an instant thing if a priority event is happening.
If you've just been pulled over for being a bit quick things like this are the difference between a warning and a ticket, you may have a legitmate reason as stated but he's probably already heard the same story form someone with dodgy intentions.

[Maha]

An older bike we once owned never had a display holder on it, it was either stick it on the bike somewhere or carry it on ones person, the carry option was used and never a problem was created.
But to answer the question, its the law to display and you have been issued an infringment notice for not doing so.
All you can do is write in and plead your case as to why you should not pay, it may help :corn:

''but I did not have the time or tools to change it'' won't get you off the pending payment.

[scracha]

Write them a letter with a nice photograph explaining that the warden was perhaps mistaken. Your new vehicle licensing label was affixed to the bottom left hand side of your (perhaps dirty) motorcycle screen, but you had forgotten to remove the expired one from the rear of the vehicle.

[davereid]

Not if the exponents of the "Opt out scheme" get their way ... but the OP could have saved himself $200 ...

Wrong. Enforcement get details of everyone. Opted out, even confidential listings.

The opt-out is about shielding your personal details from the gang member or other dodgy bastard that likes your Harley or your girl friend, or simply wants a personal chat.

Sadly as long as the gang member has a mate with a finance, vehicles sales, towing, repossession or similar business he still has full access to your personal details even if you have opted out.

IMHO he should not have mine. I don't care if he has yours.

[MSTRS]

It's a fucking stupid law. Nowdays they could check whether the vehicle in question is currently registered in less than a minute, so why retain a rule that's effectively obsolete?

Other than the obvious benefit to the public purse.

Far, far too many fucking rules, time to clear some of them out.


Go and get another reg sticker...make sure you get confirmation of getting it dated. Write them a letter showing them the original reciept dated the month ago...saying some low life cunt must've knicked your original label...and you hadn't noticed. You may get lucky.

Of all the sensible posts in this thread, these two take the prize for 1st place Most Sensible.

[ellipsis]

...this shit would not exist if those bloody Romans had just stayed at home...thank Gaius whoever he was...bureaucratic little zealot...

[AllanB]

Go and get another reg sticker...make sure you get confirmation of getting it dated. Write them a letter showing them the original reciept dated the month ago...saying some low life cunt must've knicked your original label...and you hadn't noticed. You may get lucky.

Shit yeah - now that will most likely work. Good call.

[FJRider]

Of all the sensible posts in this thread, these two take the prize for 1st place Most Sensible.

I would have thought prevention being better than a cure ...

My license label can be changed in it's holder (with no tools) in less than 2 minutes. Replacement labels can be replaced FREE from any post shop. The dire need to stop some bad person "nicking it" borders on comical ... <_<

Fined $200 for not spending that 2 minutes also borders on comical ... :laugh:

After being stopped roadside by Police ... even if the rego is up to date ... if the attitude test is failed ... "failing to display" will be issued. (and added to the list)

[Coldrider]

The OP has not commented whether it was council issued or not.
Going back were councils not allowed to fine for no rego/wof unless they had broken another rule (parking or somewhat), or is that gone by the way now?

Anyway, another reason to move to OZ, well NSW anyway, rego stickers are goneburgers for light vehicles.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/abolish_labels/index.html

[FJRider]

The OP has not commented whether it was council issued or not.
Going back were councils not allowed to fine for no rego/wof unless they had broken another rule (parking or somewhat), or is that gone by the way now?

Usually in the bylaws on/under "Conditions of parking in public places" ... Vehicles must display ... etc.

[Coldrider]

Usually in the bylaws on/under "Conditions of parking in public places" ... Vehicles must display ... etc.I think they lost the ability to issue expired regos for a bit, but the nazis must have clawed it back for 'income'.

[fastoyz]

what about putting another holder down by chain guide somewhere away from your current one with your current tag, take a pic show that you forgot to remove old one but new one was clearly visable, could be worth a try? or just do what this guy did http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SO-RPx9IRc

[Ocean1]

Usually in the bylaws on/under "Conditions of parking in public places" ... Vehicles must display ... etc.

Why is it that they get to institute such a law? It's has no effect on the local authorities whether vehicles parked in their juristriction are registered or not. Their interaction with their ratepayers should be limited to issues relevant to that relationship, if I was required to penalise my clients for actions completely irrelevant to our business I'd be telling the requirer where to get off, in detail. In short they need to mind their own fucking business.

[Coldrider]

Why is it that they get to institute such a law? It's has no effect on the local authorities whether vehicles parked in their juristriction are registered or not. Their interaction with their ratepayers should be limited to issues relevant to that relationship, if I was required to penalise my clients for actions completely irrelevant to our business I'd be telling the requirer where to get off, in detail. In short they need to mind their own fucking business.answer


http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/7092247/Council-eyes-up-your-car

[FJRider]

Why is it that they get to institute such a law? It's has no effect on the local authorities whether vehicles parked in their juristriction are registered or not. Their interaction with their ratepayers should be limited to issues relevant to that relationship, if I was required to penalise my clients for actions completely irrelevant to our business I'd be telling the requirer where to get off, in detail. In short they need to mind their own fucking business.

It is a bylaw ... But it IS in law. But ... as such ... any bylaws must not be against the principals/policies of normal Governmental law. Which it is not.
Most cities employing parking attendants ... will have instigated such policy in their bylaws. Wellington will be no different.

And the collected funds go into the respective council coffers ... in Auckland I believe the income from parking fines are in the millions per month ...

A tidy little earner ...

[rastuscat]

Running a red or orange light is 20 demerits from memory.

Sorry. nope. Nil demerits for red or yellow light offences.

Demerits for not licensing your ride though. Sheesh.

[Ocean1]

answer


http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/7092247/Council-eyes-up-your-car


It is a bylaw ... But it IS in law. But ... as such ... any bylaws must not be against the principals/policies of normal Governmental law. Which it is not.
Most cities employing parking attendants ... will have instigated such policy in their bylaws. Wellington will be no different.

And the collected funds go into the respective council coffers ... in Auckland I believe the income from parking fines are in the millions per month ...

A tidy little earner ...

Yes, I'm aware of both the reason they assume "responsibility" for the issue and the fact that they can legally do so. What I suggested was that they have no ethical mandate to do so and that I personally see no reason to encourage them by contributing to their Xmas party fund. In fact I tend to actively avoid contributing to any "service" not immediately of any obvious value to me.

The acceptance of such monopolistic and opportunist bullshit by a comfortable majority of the public is pathetic, at least have the balls to admit that many government entities are ripping you off across a wide range of pissance charges without due cause even if you can't quite be fukt doing anything about it.

[FJRider]

The acceptance of such monopolistic and opportunist bullshit by a comfortable majority of the public is pathetic, at least have the balls to admit that many government entities are ripping you off across a wide range of pissance charges without due cause even if you can't quite be fukt doing anything about it.

The joys of living in the big cities make up for it though ... eh .. !!

I prefer the small towns ... It's still a Rat-race ... but the rats run a lot slower down here ...

[BoristheBiter]

This has probably been done before but I can never find anything on these forums searches.

I got an infringement notice for $200 for not displaying my rego. It was up to date, and all good, but I did not have the time or tools to change it. For a month.... :pinch:

So the old rego was showing, while the new rego was in my wallet. The infringement notice is not for not having a rego - just for "CURRENT LICENSE LABEL NOT AFFIXED IN PRESCRIBED MANNER".

Sure it is illegal- I get that. I am not disputing the notice. But $200? Really? Its not like it never HAD rego?! It just was not put on in time. And the officer checking it probably had access to the newfangled systems they have and knew this already.

You only get $150 for doing really dangerous things like running stop streets and bald tyres! WTF? Surely this is only worthy of a $50 fine max?

SO: Does anybody know how I can get this down a tad (meaning a LOT)?

Just defend it. get them to prove it was not displayed.
They will withdraw it.

[Conquiztador]

1. To help us determine what is the best "defence" we need to know if this ticket was created by a police officer or a parking warden.

2. I remember reading somewhere that leaving the old ticket showing when you have a new one is also an offence that carries a fine.

3. If the rego on the bike had lapsed very resently and you can show that you have now paid for a new one (and it is now fitted as per the book) you will get of the ticket. There is normally a 14 days period to sort this from when the old rego had lapsed. (Been there done that).

4. Instead of asking for dubious advice on KB you should use the phone numer provided on the ticket for advice. I have found them most helpful.

[Akzle]

The NZTA are going to get our money in the end, so what is the problem? . We either pay it on time, or we pay it late or if we sell or dispose of the vehicle with it being out six months, we get sent the bill when

OR.
we don't pay a damn thing.


1. To help us determine what is the best "defence" we need to know if this ticket was created by a police officer or a parking warden.

4. Instead of asking for dubious advice on KB you should use the phone numer provided on the ticket for advice. I have found them most helpful.

bwahahahahah. depends whos number it is. and if she wrote her number on the back of the ticket, you'd probably pay the 200 just to not have to "work it out" with her.

it's like when court sends you shit, and you can phone them and they'll tell you the fastest way to give them money, or if you're dumb enough to have a lawyer assigned to you, and they'll tell you the fastest way to plead guilty so him and the judge can get to the bank and cash your dumb arse in.

OP-
set fire to something man.

[FJRider]

Considering it's a charge few Police pursue ... I assume it's Council.

In most such cases ... if the charge is contested ... it is often dropped. As any resulting court action is expensive and not always certain of a positive result in the Councils favour. Or possibly setting a precedent in the legality of such tickets.

Thus ... easier to drop the charge ... and issue more tickets in the hope more people will pay them without question.

[Macontour]

Write them a letter with a nice photograph explaining that the warden was perhaps mistaken. Your new vehicle licensing label was affixed to the bottom left hand side of your (perhaps dirty) motorcycle screen, but you had forgotten to remove the expired one from the rear of the vehicle.

I like this one. Or maybe suggest that the warden MUST have made a mistake because the enclosed photocopy of the label will also show that it was purchased a month before you got the ticket sohe must have misread the dat.

[Gremlin]

Sorry. nope. Nil demerits for red or yellow light offences.

Demerits for not licensing your ride though. Sheesh.
Oh well. I remember them talking about an introduction and stepping process that the demerits would go up each year in steps, until the demerits was 50 for running lights.

Might grow a beard, more odds of it actually happening :facepalm:

[zippy]

Totally illegal thing to do but if your desperate to get off the fine - File police report to the fact someone had taken it off your bike, take in a copy of the police report to the council saying thanks for bringing it to my attention that someone had taken my current label from my bike.

[Akzle]

Totally illegal thing to do but if your desperate to get off the fine - File police report to the fact someone had taken it off your bike, take in a copy of the police report to the council saying thanks for bringing it to my attention that someone had taken my current label from my bike.

thats swearing false affidavit and probably lying oath.
Either way, it's lying. Bad karma, and you're an asshole.

[unstuck]

and you're an asshole.

And this guy KNOWS assholes.:buggerd:

[FJRider]

Totally illegal thing to do but if your desperate to get off the fine - File police report to the fact someone had taken it off your bike, take in a copy of the police report to the council saying thanks for bringing it to my attention that someone had taken my current label from my bike.

Two or three days AFTER the ticket was issued ...??? <_< How clever ... I'm sure the police wont notice ... :killingme

[Coolz]

FAILING TO DISPLAY YOUR REGISTRATION LABEL KILLS

This safety message was brought to you by the New Zealand Government and the Motorcycle safety Council.

[FastChk]

This has probably been done before but I can never find anything on these forums searches.

I got an infringement notice for $200 for not displaying my rego. It was up to date, and all good, but I did not have the time or tools to change it. For a month.... :pinch:

So the old rego was showing, while the new rego was in my wallet. The infringement notice is not for not having a rego - just for "CURRENT LICENSE LABEL NOT AFFIXED IN PRESCRIBED MANNER".

Sure it is illegal- I get that. I am not disputing the notice. But $200? Really? Its not like it never HAD rego?! It just was not put on in time. And the officer checking it probably had access to the newfangled systems they have and knew this already.

You only get $150 for doing really dangerous things like running stop streets and bald tyres! WTF? Surely this is only worthy of a $50 fine max?

SO: Does anybody know how I can get this down a tad (meaning a LOT)?

Did you get any de-merit points with that ticket?

[pritch]

I'm assuming this ticket was issued by council staff. In the OP's circumstances Police may offer "compliance", good luck with getting that from the council.

The OP should visit the council office with a copy of the registration label proving that the bike was registered, but they can still tell you pay up.

The council here take photos of the rego and wof if they issue tickets, so advice re "creative" explanations is only going to result in embarrassment.

Years ago I spent some time working for the local council, there was a rule to the effect that no council staff should put themselves in an adversarial position with ratepayers. Of course that lasted about five minutes when there was money to be made.

The other day I got a ridiculous parking ticket, (complicated) I phoned in and said I wasn't going to waste time coming in, (they had the photo and could see that I was right) I just wanted the ticket cancelled. The woman who answered the phone wouldn't have a bar of it but I asked to get shunted up the line and eventually got the ticket cancelled.

[Zedder]

thats swearing false affidavit and probably lying oath.
Either way, it's lying. Bad karma, and you're an asshole.

He's a donkeyhole?

[pritch]

thats swearing false affidavit and probably lying oath.
Either way, it's lying. Bad karma, and you're an asshole.

Where's Hitcher when you need him?

[SPman]

The OP has not commented whether it was council issued or not.
Going back were councils not allowed to fine for no rego/wof unless they had broken another rule (parking or somewhat), or is that gone by the way now?

Anyway, another reason to move to OZ, well NSW anyway, rego stickers are goneburgers for light vehicles.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/abolish_labels/index.html
No rego stickers in WA for the last 2 yrs or so. Parking wardens are only allowed to issue tickets (illegally) for parking offenses - none of this cheapskate zealous policeman malarky. Takes a cop about 30 secs to check if your rego is current or not so the whole thing is bullshit, anyway - but - hey - it brings in more moolah, and that's all that counts!

[Akzle]

He's a donkeyhole?
you're a donkeyhole.

Where's Hitcher when you need him?
touching little boys.

[R-Soul]

1. To help us determine what is the best "defence" we need to know if this ticket was created by a police officer or a parking warden.

2. I remember reading somewhere that leaving the old ticket showing when you have a new one is also an offence that carries a fine.

3. If the rego on the bike had lapsed very resently and you can show that you have now paid for a new one (and it is now fitted as per the book) you will get of the ticket. There is normally a 14 days period to sort this from when the old rego had lapsed. (Been there done that).

4. Instead of asking for dubious advice on KB you should use the phone numer provided on the ticket for advice. I have found them most helpful.

It was issued by the council, not a cop.

I dont see how the display of old information is offensive at all? How can it be an offence?

My rego was paid for in January, and was still valid. Still is. Thats why I got a "failure to affix" fine instead of a "failure to have a valid rego" fine. So they must have known. The whole things just reeks of money generation for the council.


I was hoping for some insider info from peopel that may have got off such fines before (as opposed to abuse). :facepalm:

[R-Soul]

Did you get any de-merit points with that ticket?

It doesn't mention demerit points, so I guess not.

[Milts]

It was issued by the council, not a cop.

I dont see how the display of old information is offensive at all? How can it be an offence?

My rego was paid for in January, and was still valid. Still is. Thats why I got a "failure to affix" fine instead of a "failure to have a valid rego" fine. So they must have known. The whole things just reeks of money generation for the council.


I was hoping for some insider info from peopel that may have got off such fines before (as opposed to abuse). :facepalm:

In wellington here, but same thing happened to me.

Went in to the office where you can make a formal appeal, filled out a sheet and stated that my bike had been rego'd on that day, that the rego had always been current, and I had no idea why the ticket had been issued. Ticket was waived within a week.

[Conquiztador]

It was issued by the council, not a cop.

I dont see how the display of old information is offensive at all? How can it be an offence?

My rego was paid for in January, and was still valid. Still is. Thats why I got a "failure to affix" fine instead of a "failure to have a valid rego" fine. So they must have known. The whole things just reeks of money generation for the council.


I was hoping for some insider info from peopel that may have got off such fines before (as opposed to abuse). :facepalm:

You might find this interesting and/or informative: http://www.consumer.org.nz/news/view/vehicle-licence-labels-and-fines

And here, some clarity to what is and what is not an offence. You will find the relevant information from about #80 onwards. Happy reading... http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2011/0079/latest/whole.html#DLM2938442


P.S You are concerned re attacks on KB??? Nobody and no comment is tabo on here. Just grow a thicker skin!

[R-Soul]

This was the most relevant section, but I cannot find anything that matches what I did:

85 Registration plates or licence not displayed as required
(1) A person commits an offence if the person operates a motor vehicle by driving or using it on a road if the motor vehicle—

(a) displays any registration plate or licence that is not authorised to be affixed to the motor vehicle under Part 17 of the Act; or

(b) displays an object or a design that is reasonably likely to be mistaken for a plate or licence authorised to be affixed to the motor vehicle under Part 17 of the Act.

(2) A person commits a stationary vehicle offence if the person operates a motor vehicle by causing or permitting it to be on a road if the motor vehicle—

(a) displays any registration plate or licence that is not authorised to be affixed to the motor vehicle under Part 17 of the Act; or

(b) displays an object or a design that is reasonably likely to be mistaken for a plate or licence authorised to be affixed to the motor vehicle under Part 17 of the Act.

(3) In proceedings for an offence against subclause (1) or (2) that relates to the display of a registration plate that is not authorised to be affixed to the motor vehicle, it is a defence if the defendant proves that personalised plates—

(a) have been issued to the motor vehicle; and

(b) have been dispatched to the person acquiring the plates in the 7 days preceding the offence but have not yet been received by that person.

Compare: 1986 No 6 s 17(a)

[unstuck]

I find it hard to belive you are still crying over this.:gob:

[Conquiztador]

This was the most relevant section, but I cannot find anything that matches what I did:

85 Registration plates ........ Compare: 1986 No 6 s 17(a)

Try this one (And you realise why you have been feeling that squeeze around your balls):

91 Evidence of registration and licensing

(1) The fact that a motor vehicle is operated without having registration plates affixed to and displayed on it in accordance with these regulations is, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, sufficient evidence that the motor vehicle is not registered in accordance with Part 17 (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/regulation/public/2011/0079/latest/link.aspx?id=DLM2214226) of the Act.

(2) The fact that a motor vehicle is operated without having a valid licence affixed to and displayed on it in accordance with these regulations is, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, sufficient evidence that the motor vehicle is not licensed in accordance with Part 17 (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/regulation/public/2011/0079/latest/link.aspx?id=DLM2214226) of the Act.

(3) For the purposes of this regulation, <dfn id="DLM2938450" class="def-term">valid licence</dfn> means a current licence or a licence issued for the motor vehicle that is to come into force within the next month.

[FJRider]

It doesn't mention demerit points, so I guess not.

A Council ticket. They have NO authority to issue demerit points. A police issued ticket would have ...

[FJRider]

... P.S You are concerned re attacks on KB??? Nobody and no comment is tabo on here. Just grow a thicker skin!

We know the difference between Infringements and Infractions ... :laugh:

[FJRider]

My rego was paid for in January, and was still valid. Still is. Thats why I got a "failure to affix" fine instead of a "failure to have a valid rego" fine. So they must have known. The whole things just reeks of money generation for the council.





It matters little ... changes little ... if you have paid the required fee or not. "Failure to affix current ... " is the prescribed charge. Either by council staff or Police.

Notify the Council you intend fighting the charge in court as you did have (and can prove) current rego. As their parking staff may have trouble remembering what day it is ... and they (and their evidence) will be required in court ... the council may drop/withdraw the charges ...

[R-Soul]

Try this one (And you realise why you have been feeling that squeeze around your balls):

91 Evidence of registration and licensing

(1) The fact that a motor vehicle is operated without having registration plates affixed to and displayed on it in accordance with these regulations is, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, sufficient evidence that the motor vehicle is not registered in accordance with Part 17 (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/regulation/public/2011/0079/latest/link.aspx?id=DLM2214226) of the Act.

(2) The fact that a motor vehicle is operated without having a valid licence affixed to and displayed on it in accordance with these regulations is, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, sufficient evidence that the motor vehicle is not licensed in accordance with Part 17 (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/regulation/public/2011/0079/latest/link.aspx?id=DLM2214226) of the Act.

(3) For the purposes of this regulation, <dfn id="DLM2938450" class="def-term">valid licence</dfn> means a current licence or a licence issued for the motor vehicle that is to come into force within the next month.







If that is the basis then I am sweet because I can prove otherwise...

[R-Soul]

I find it hard to belive you are still crying over this.:gob:

Some people can afford to wipe their ass with $200. I am not one of them. :baby:

That $200 was for my new front brakes. Now I will have to make do with metal-to-metal contact for a while... I guess the law is having its intended consequences then? :mad:

Hampton Downs anyone?

[Str8 Jacket]

Some people can afford to wipe their ass with $200. I am not one of them. :baby:

That $200 was for my new front brakes. Now I will have to make do with metal-to-metal contact for a while... I guess the law is having its intended consequences then? :mad:



I get why your mad but why the fuck would you do that and risk causing damage to your brakes with the scraping and / or yourself or someone you hit when you can't stop?

[Coldrider]

North Shore, you are around the corner from TINA RAY. She will have plenty of advice for you, but probably will jibe you for having paid rego at all.

[davereid]

Some people can afford to wipe their ass with $200. I am not one of them. :baby:

That $200 was for my new front brakes. Now I will have to make do with metal-to-metal contact for a while... I guess the law is having its intended consequences then? :mad:

Hampton Downs anyone?

Simply write to the council. Tell them the vehicle was correctly licenced and you will defend the case.

Its costs you nothing.

Right up until the hearing starts you can simply pay the fine if you change your mind.

The council will be aware of the defence mentioned by conquistador, and of mens rea.

Its all about money, and 9 times out of 10 they will bail out, as they have to spend a lot of money, they lose a meter maid for half a day and they only have a 50/50 chance of winning.

Take a $0.50c risk. Write the letter, polite, but firm.

[FJRider]

Some people can afford to wipe their ass with $200. I am not one of them. :baby:

That $200 was for my new front brakes. Now I will have to make do with metal-to-metal contact for a while... I guess the law is having its intended consequences then? :mad:



Double sided tape that is available free at any post shop. The ten minutes to fit it (that you didn't take) cost you $200. A replacement license label to fit it properly is also free at any post shop.

Your own decision to not fit it cost you the money.

And it more about current Council legislation .. than law. To them it's just about income.

[Gremlin]

Its all about money, and 9 times out of 10 they will bail out, as they have to spend a lot of money, they lose a meter maid for half a day and they only have a 50/50 chance of winning.

Take a $0.50c risk. Write the letter, polite, but firm.
Of course, taking it to court will almost double his cost if he loses...

[FJRider]

Of course, taking it to court will almost double his cost if he loses...

As I understand from a previous post of his .. He paid the fine :psst:

Another KB lawyer fail ... :killingme

[fetchfire]

I have a drz400. It rips number plates up with pure vibration. I caught a parking warden looking for my rego and he asked where it was. I looked and it was gone. He was nice enough to radio to his office and have them check I was up to date then he said it was fine.

I went through a check point missing a wof for the same reason, I had the new sticker in my wallet fresh from the mechanic. When he looked at the plate he just said 'I believe you, drive on'. Gonna need a whole new plate soon.

[R-Soul]

I get why your mad but why the fuck would you do that and risk causing damage to your brakes with the scraping and / or yourself or someone you hit when you can't stop?
Just making the point that petty beaurocracy is actually getting in the way of road safety...

[FJRider]

Just making the point that petty beaurocracy is actually getting in the way of road safety...

If you ride the bike with the brakes fucked (knowing they're fucked) ... And hit somebody. It wont be seen as the "Fault of Bureaucracy" ...

[Gremlin]

I have a drz400. It rips number plates up with pure vibration.
...
Gonna need a whole new plate soon.
Glue the plate to a piece of perspex, then bake in the oven. Then mount... much stronger.

[Conquiztador]

Glue the plate to a piece of perspex, then bake in the oven. Then mount... much stronger.

And you can add chocholate chippies to give it that "home baked" feel.

[Banditbandit]

iv never had my rego or wof labels on my bike they have always been in my wallet, and iv never had any issue with parking guys or cops when been pulled over.
i just tell them that i keep them on me so if my bike is even nicked and gets stopped they wont just be let to ride off. mind you my bike looks like a million bucks so parking guys never look twice at it. oh and i never park it anywhere that i have to worry about that.

That will only work until a cop stops you on the side of the road .. and sees that the labels are not displayed ... then it's $200 please sir !!!


Go and get another reg sticker...make sure you get confirmation of getting it dated. Write them a letter showing them the original reciept dated the month ago...saying some low life cunt must've knicked your original label...and you hadn't noticed. You may get lucky.

Lie? You recommend people lie to the popo??? (Just checking that is what you are suggesting?)


Shit yeah - now that will most likely work. Good call.

Lying works??? Not even for politicians ...


.Replacement labels can be replaced FREE from any post shop.


I got charged $4.50 last week for a replacement label ...



I get why your mad but why the fuck would you do that and risk causing damage to your brakes with the scraping and / or yourself or someone you hit when you can't stop?

Stupidity ???

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lie? You recommend people lie to the popo??? (Just checking that is what you are suggesting?)




100% correct.

[wysper]

100% correct.

Not really, wouldn't it be lying to the Council? :psst:

[FJRider]

I got charged $4.50 last week for a replacement label ...

You got ripped off ... I've never been charged for one. EVER ...

[

[Milts]

You got ripped off ... I've never been charged for one. EVER ...



Me either, until today. $3.90 or similar, I'd misplaced my label before sticking it on the bike. Privatization FTW.

[Banditbandit]

You got ripped off ... I've never been charged for one. EVER ...




Me either, until today. $3.90 or similar, I'd misplaced my label before sticking it on the bike. Privatization FTW.

Fuck me .. how do you do that? I've always thought there was a charge - I thought it was $5, so I was surprised I got 50c change ...

[R-Soul]

If you ride the bike with the brakes fucked (knowing they're fucked) ... And hit somebody. It wont be seen as the "Fault of Bureaucracy" ...

Keep your panties on. I would not actually ride like that. Just making a point that the money could be used for much better purposes.

[Banditbandit]

Keep your panties on. I would not actually ride like that. Just making a point that the money could be used for much better purposes.

Of course it could be used for much better puproses ... next time keep the money for yourself and spend five minutes putting the sticker on the bike .. it's not rocket science ..

[FJRider]

Fuck me .. how do you do that? I've always thought there was a charge - I thought it was $5, so I was surprised I got 50c change ...

I was in a post shop today .... They (in Cromwell) wanted $4.19 ... :scratch:

It has been a while since I got a replacement label though ...

[R-Soul]

Of course it could be used for much better puproses ... next time keep the money for yourself and spend five minutes putting the sticker on the bike .. it's not rocket science ..
Well I wrote in and set out the facts. No lying. And I just got a letter today saying that it has been squashed and that I should take it as a warning.

Phew!
So either I am very lucky, or someone did me a favour...

[R-Soul]

Not to look a gift horse in the mouth or anything, but the wording of the offence

"85 Registration plates or licence not displayed as required
(1) A person commits an offence if the person operates a motor vehicle by driving or using it on a road"
Does this mean that only a cop that had actually pulled you off the road can issue such an infringement notice, as a council warden approaching a bike parked on pavement would not have evidence of this?

Just saying...

[FJRider]

Not to look a gift horse in the mouth or anything, but the wording of the offence

"85 Registration plates or licence not displayed as required
(1) A person commits an offence if the person operates a motor vehicle by driving or using it on a road"
Does this mean that only a cop that had actually pulled you off the road can issue such an infringement notice, as a council warden approaching a bike parked on pavement would not have evidence of this?

Just saying...

OR ...

The Council has the authority to issue such notices ... but not the authority to enforce it (if you choose to argue/fight it)

Next Council ticket ... write the letter.

[Banditbandit]

Well I wrote in and set out the facts. No lying. And I just got a letter today saying that it has been squashed and that I should take it as a warning.

Phew!
So either I am very lucky, or someone did me a favour...

Well good one. A good outcome ... now you can buy the brake pads AND next time put your sticker on the bike ..

(I just paid $170 today for a speeding fine .. not happy ... nearly half a new set of rotors for the big bandit.)

[Banditbandit]

Not to look a gift horse in the mouth or anything, but the wording of the offence

"85 Registration plates or licence not displayed as required
(1) A person commits an offence if the person operates a motor vehicle by driving or using it on a road"
Does this mean that only a cop that had actually pulled you off the road can issue such an infringement notice, as a council warden approaching a bike parked on pavement would not have evidence of this?

Just saying...

No - it just means that whoever looked at your letter took pity and quashed the fine ... don't do it again and don't read anything else into it ..

[R-Soul]

Well good one. A good outcome ... now you can buy the brake pads AND next time put your sticker on the bike ..

(I just paid $170 today for a speeding fine .. not happy ... nearly half a new set of rotors for the big bandit.)

Bugger.

And the worst thing about it for me is that I find myself saying, "Shit, I could have/would have taken wife out for dinner, done this exciting thing or that exciting thing, or blah blah but now I can't because I have to pay this dumb fine..."

Even though you probably would not have taken wife to dinner or done said exciting thing if you did not get the fine.

Maybe thats the secret to life: Take her out often, and ride slowly.

[Coldrider]

ah but you got more pages of posts than most rallys.

[FJRider]

Bugger.

And the worst thing about it for me is that I find myself saying, "Shit, I could have/would have taken wife out for dinner, done this exciting thing or that exciting thing, or blah blah but now I can't because I have to pay this dumb fine..."

Even though you probably would not have taken wife to dinner or done said exciting thing if you did not get the fine.

Maybe thats the secret to life: Take her out often, and ride slowly.

Considering what you have put as the first line in your signature ... I see this post as appropriate ... :killingme

[R-Soul]

Considering what you have put as the first line in your signature ... I see this post as appropriate ... :killingme

I know. Funny things, throttles.... they tend to wipe memories quickasaflash...

[R-Soul]

ah but you got more pages of posts than most rallys.

How is that relevant?

[Banditbandit]

Maybe thats the secret to life: Take her out often, and ride slowly.

I do take her out - and I do ride slowly ... the original "slow hand" ... (oh .. you mean ... as you were ...)

[breakaway]

Fucks sake, man up and pay it. You fucked up, take it on the chin.

Operating a motor vehicle on roads means you have some responsbilities, and you ignored one of them and when you get nailed for it, you feel you are entitled to get off because you deem it to be ridiculous?


Some people can afford to wipe their ass with $200. I am not one of them. :baby:

All the more reason to pull your head in and make sure your bike is road legal isn't it?

Good grief. What ever happened to personal responsibility?

[Ocean1]

What ever happened to personal responsibility?

It was killed by unreasonable and irresponsible buerocratic regulations.

[Banditbandit]

Fucks sake, man up and pay it. You fucked up, take it on the chin.

Operating a motor vehicle on roads means you have some responsbilities, and you ignored one of them and when you get nailed for it, you feel you are entitled to get off because you deem it to be ridiculous?



All the more reason to pull your head in and make sure your bike is road legal isn't it?

Good grief. What ever happened to personal responsibility?

See post 97 ....

Whatever happened to reading the thread al the way through before opening mouth ...

[Conquiztador]

See post 97 ....

Whatever happened to reading the thread al the way through before opening mouth ...

Hahaha... That was funny on so many levels. :lol:

[R-Soul]

Fucks sake, man up and pay it. You fucked up, take it on the chin.

Operating a motor vehicle on roads means you have some responsbilities, and you ignored one of them and when you get nailed for it, you feel you are entitled to get off because you deem it to be ridiculous?



All the more reason to pull your head in and make sure your bike is road legal isn't it?

Good grief. What ever happened to personal responsibility?

"man up"? This is an infringement notice, not a cock measuring competition....

Like tax, I view infringement notices as something that I only have to pay if the law says I absolutely have to, and not a cent more. If what I did was unlawful, then I'll pay if I have to. But not if there is a sliver of doubt about it.

And dont fucking lecture me on personal responsibility - my bike is always insured, inspected and paid for - As a matter of pride and safety. Ever heard of the word "mistake".

Anyway, turns out the guvmint agrees with me - it was ridiculous.

[Coldrider]

"man up"? This is an infringement notice, not a cock measuring competition....

Like tax, I view infringement notices as something that I only have to pay if the law says I absolutely have to, and not a cent more. If what I did was unlawful, then I'll pay if I have to. But not if there is a sliver of doubt about it.

And dont fucking lecture me on personal responsibility - my bike is always insured, inspected and paid for - As a matter of pride and safety. Ever heard of the word "mistake".

Anyway, turns out the guvmint agrees with me - it was ridiculous.still only page 8 of cock sucking

[Erelyes]

I don't see how the display of old information is offensive at all? How can it be an offence?

Cos some fucking oddball will collect old licence labels get a bunch of holders, and display 100 regos on their windscreen. All of a sudden other people start colour photocopying old rego's and doing the same. You may think I'm joking here, but some people will be fuckwits, so it can help to make some types of fuckwittery illegal. It's the same kind of logic behind making it illegal (sort of) to pay a $200 fine in ten cent pieces.


My rego was paid for in January, and was still valid. Still is. Thats why I got a "failure to affix" fine instead of a "failure to have a valid rego" fine. So they must have known. The whole things just reeks of money generation for the council.

No offense but the logic here is flawed. You had a 'failure to affix' fine because you failed to affix, and failing to affix is against the law. Whether the vehicle is actually licensed or not is at that point completely irrelevant as far as the law is concerned. They ticket you $200 either way so why would they bother with the time and expense of an MVR? No conspiracy theories here.

I would also guess that usually a vehicle without a current licence label is probably not currently licensed (:gob:). You're exceptional! :yes:

Anyway, I'm happy to hear that you got off your ticket and can spend the $200 on your brakes. :clap:

[BMWST?]

it used to be that the display of the label was the easiest way to ensure that the vehicle is actually licensed.With modern means that information is quickly available. to others as well.

[Coldrider]

it used to be that the display of the label was the easiest way to ensure that the vehicle is actually licensed.With modern means that information is quickly available. to others as well.it used to be that the receipt of the licence was affixed to the plate for proof, but some just have to play games.

[Coldrider]

it used to be that the receipt of the licence was affixed to the plate for proof, but some just have to play games.and based on my experience no one plays the biggest games in law than those in the legal proffession themselves, eh arsehole.

[Banditbandit]

and based on my experience no one plays the biggest games in law than those in the legal proffession themselves, eh arsehole.

Fuck me .. he wrote a letter and the infringement was dropped - no fine, no conviction ... how can that be legal "arseholes" at work ..

Why does this thread continue? Is the only thing you can read a rev counter???

[R-Soul]

Cos some fucking oddball will collect old licence labels get a bunch of holders, and display 100 regos on their windscreen. All of a sudden other people start colour photocopying old rego's and doing the same. You may think I'm joking here, but some people will be fuckwits, so it can help to make some types of fuckwittery illegal. It's the same kind of logic behind making it illegal (sort of) to pay a $200 fine in ten cent pieces.



That should be covered under a broad general rule like "obstruction of justice" or something similar along those lines. Not speculative petty laws just in case.

[Akzle]

well. i see the thread hasn't got any better since i left it.

dykes!:
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[Erelyes]

That should be covered under a broad general rule like "obstruction of justice" or something similar along those lines. Not speculative petty laws just in case.

The trouble with relying on laws that are broad / general is that you run the risk of a couple things happening

A) The law is vague, so there is more lawyering to-and-fro in court, test cases for this that and other (all costing the court, and therefore taxpayers, money), rich people hiring expensive lawyers to get off things, or people wasting $1000's of taxpayers $ cos their duty solicitor knows that an argument will see it squashed. Typically with this scenario the law is hardly ever used anyway because of the ridiculous cost to prosecute (see 'vexatious litigant' legislation as an example - hasn't been used in 50 years http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6880351/Attempt-to-shut-down-vexatious-litigant)

B) "Cop decides you're guilty, you're guilty" - I seem to remember that before certified noise levels for exhausts came in, the rule was, that if the cop decided it was too loud, you got ticketed, and had to get a new WOF. No if, buts, maybes, or arguments. You could drive out of the testing station and be ticketed again then and there and have no comeback.

I agree R-Soul, having petty laws is a sad scenario to be in, but it's a facet of the democratic world. Autocracy has its downsides though. It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried. - Sir Winston Churchill