Bucket GP 2013

[Rick 52]

The Auckland bucket committee are very keen to organise a GP this year as no other club has put their hand up and we only have 3 months to get this organised as the MNZ calendar goes from the end of June, we are interested in how much support we would receive..
Big tracks are great and makes the GP a bigger more exciting event but the cost is too high, after trying to get to a compromise eg cost, location, organised in a short time, we came up with Tokoroa kart track on either the 20,21th of April or the 11,12th May it is a fantastic track with free camping, club rooms and we can use the Auckland club transponder timing system as we have done for the North Island rounds.. Saturday would be practice and support races for racers not wanting to get a full licence and Sunday we would use for qualifying and the F4 and the F5 GP and would be about 40 laps each and if time allows fun racers to Finish the day..Come on Bucketeres who is up for a fantastic weekend away and compete in a national event??

[TZ350]

Ok .......... I am in, either date will do.

[Henk]

I'm also in. Cool,track, excellent view from the tower.

[chrisc]

In with a grin

[Pumba]

Could be up for the support races.

[Henk]

Sack up Pumba

[Rick 52]

6 sidecars and we have a sidecar GP :Punk:

[Henk]

6 sidecars and we have a sidecar GP :Punk:

Good luck with that one, this year anyway

[ac3_snow]

I'm keen, but think the date for april may have been 20/21?

[Rick 52]

I'm keen, but think the date for april may have been 20/21?

Cheers mate, now changed

[Henk]

Michelle says she'll do F5

[Rick 52]

Michelle says she'll do F5
Good news Michelle ..

[Bert]

:woohoo::woohoo::niceone::niceone::drinknsin:drink nsin

Well, given you guys have actually put yours hand up to make it happen; then sh!t we (Team GPR) are in.
I Haven't had that much joy this end of island.:facepalm:

And while I personally think Taupo for the GP is Fken cool; the price is just too much without support.
Tokoroa is a great track and would be a lot of fun.


So that's another 5-6 solo riders & a sidecar...

If it go's forth:
Given that it is a bucket only event; could we consider a B-Grade GP (like the old days?).


Now where's chucky :sick::innocent:

[Pumba]

Sack up Pumba

Never bought a license this season and can't do the GP on a day license. Can't really be fucked getting one at the end of the season either.

[Rick 52]

Never bought a license this season and can't do the GP on a day license. Can't really be fucked getting one at the end of the season either.

Fully understand Pumba..what about just bringing the family and camping, a bit of flagging or helping out for the sunday and I will shout you a day licence for the Saturday ..It would be great to see you guys ..

[richban]

Well I do love that track. I'm in. Like most I would prefer Taupo but I can get my kicks there at the last round of the Nats. Development class does not need a full license remember.

Blue flags please.

Choice.

[koba]

Discussions underway...

[Henk]

The "fun races for non full licence holders" will probably be part of the Auckland points series, these dates are both in our calendar for Mt Wellington at the moment so what we will be doing is moving our normal race meet south by a bit and throwing the GP in so that it happens.

[Henk]

Discussions underway...

Struggling to overcome option 4

Drinking Port and camping is not for me?

[seymour14]

6 sidecars and we have a sidecar GP :Punk:

Count us in, pending some more modifications. Four to go!

[Str8 Jacket]

Struggling to overcome option 4

Drinking Port and camping is not for me?

I obviously won't be able to ride but we also have my fathers 60th to attend and it could well be held either of those weekends, will have to confirm.

[F5 Dave]

Its a ways away but better than traveling to Auckland which would see me out these days.

Taupo worked the year before with a track day support, broke even but that was 'cause it rained.

[crazy man]

is the 100 dollar license ok or is it the 200 buck job

[Henk]

is the 100 dollar license ok or is it the 200 buck job

$100 OK for all races except the GP. The new licence structure is a bit of an arse for disciplines like ours where the "national championship" consists of one race.

Edit

I've just emailed Billy for a bit of clarification. On the website it doesn't mention the GP in amongst the "what licence do I need" bit and I can't find it in the rule book either. Would be nice if we could get by on the cheap one.

[crazy man]

$100 OK for all races except the GP. The new licence structure is a bit of an arse for disciplines like ours where the "national championship" consists of one race.

Edit

I've just emailed Billy for a bit of clarification. On the website it doesn't mention the GP in amongst the "what licence do I need" bit and I can't find it in the rule book either. Would be nice if we could get by on the cheap one.l bit stink but see what he comes back with. but if you have 50 riders doing 50s 100s and sidecars at that extra 100 bucks thats 5000 bucks for the sake of 400 bucks worth of cups and fake gold . would be more happy if mnz put some of are racing on tv or some adersting

[Bert]

$100 OK for all races except the GP. The new licence structure is a bit of an arse for disciplines like ours where the "national championship" consists of one race.
Edit

I've just emailed Billy for a bit of clarification. On the website it doesn't mention the GP in amongst the "what licence do I need" bit and I can't find it in the rule book either. Would be nice if we could get by on the cheap one.

after sitting down with the bible (Mnz MOMS); and for the life of me I can't find any thing that clears this up.

[Pumba]

Fully understand Pumba..what about just bringing the family and camping, a bit of flagging or helping out for the sunday and I will shout you a day licence for the Saturday ..It would be great to see you guys ..

As long as it is in April it is in the Calendar. Shit it is only an hour through to Tokoroa track from here.

[Rick 52]

l bit stink but see what he comes back with. but if you have 50 riders doing 50s 100s and sidecars at that extra 100 bucks thats 5000 bucks for the sake of 400 bucks worth of cups and fake gold . would be more happy if mnz put some of are racing on tv or some adersting

MNZ don't supply cups, all I got from them was a paper certificate and a cheep arse medal that said I was bucket sidecar champ !! I was going to send it back but they don't care about buckets anyway..I got a great trophy from the TRRS :first:
So for all the extra money they would get , what would we get??

[Henk]

I emailed Billy who said he didn't know, hopefully Vicky from MNZ gets back to me on the email I sent her. As far as I can tell the full licence is required for national and Island championships, no mention of the TT or GP races. I'm guilty of assuming that we needed the full month licence for the GP but there is nothing in the rule book to back that up. In my case this opinion has been based on the fact that we use the GP as a defacto national champs since we don't have a national championship. The licence structure has changed since the last time the GP was run, hopefully we can get by with the cheap licences, will save sending a bucketful of cash to MNZ for one race and hopefully get the feilds up a bit. I'm guessing full licence required about half the people that turn up for the weekend will enter the GP, club licence or day licence and it will be every man and his dog.
If we can get by on club licences I feel a couple of side bets coming on. Keen Pumba?

[Billy]

I emailed Billy who said he didn't know, hopefully Vicky from MNZ gets back to me on the email I sent her. As far as I can tell the full licence is required for national and Island championships, no mention of the TT or GP races. I'm guilty of assuming that we needed the full month licence for the GP but there is nothing in the rule book to back that up. In my case this opinion has been based on the fact that we use the GP as a defacto national champs since we don't have a national championship. The licence structure has changed since the last time the GP was run, hopefully we can get by with the cheap licences, will save sending a bucketful of cash to MNZ for one race and hopefully get the feilds up a bit. I'm guessing full licence required about half the people that turn up for the weekend will enter the GP, club licence or day licence and it will be every man and his dog.
If we can get by on club licences I feel a couple of side bets coming on. Keen Pumba?

Pretty sure if it's a National title,You'll need a National licence,Self explanatory really,Does't really matter what discipline it involves.Still won't hurt to wait for the official reply from Vicky

[Buckets4Me]

Pretty sure if it's a National title,You'll need a National licence,Self explanatory really,Does't really matter what discipline it involves.Still won't hurt to wait for the official reply from Vicky

I thougt we where to police this ourselfs ???? why the nead for emails to mnz ?

:gob:
I may be in on a day licence. Will bring some underage flag wavers with me

[kel]

Blue flags please.

you could connect one to the bike. Blue flag on one side, yellow and red striped on the other side.
but seriously ...
Tokoroa is the best choice if the GP is to be held on a kart track. I'm in for the TT race.

[Pumba]

If we can get by on club licences I feel a couple of side bets coming on. Keen Pumba?

My mind says dont be stupid:sweatdrop But the racer in me says bring it:first:


I thougt we where to police this ourselfs ???? why the nead for emails to mnz ?

Probably time to let go of that comment for everyone's benefit. It was made by a former Road Race Commissioner and from my outside observations Billy has been helpful and fair to all levels of the sport. And I am sure if Billy will let you have ago at the job if you think you can do it better. I sure as hell aint putting my hand up

[crazy man]

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[Bert]

.........
Probably time to let go of that comment for everyone's benefit. It was made by a former Road Race Commissioner and from my outside observations Billy has been helpful and fair to all levels of the sport. And I am sure if Billy will let you have ago at the job if you think you can do it better. I sure as hell aint putting my hand up

Well Said (I don't think you are alone with that view)... Billy has done a sterling job (especially given what he had to start with) and its a thankless role..

Wicked if we could get it done with just a club license (I've not really convinced it will happen; but if you can find a hole....:drinkup:).
But I'm a bit on the fence regarding people racing the GP/tt on a "day/event license"; it does make a little bit of a mockery of the entire event..:shutup: :confused:

And before I get showered in sh!t, one has never been allowed to race the GP on a day/event license (please correct me if I'm wrong); I agree that the two tiered license structure hasn't done buckets (in particular the holding of the National GP) any favours. But without full submissions on the rules by all clubs then we're kind of stuck with it (and that hasn't happened thus far).
The extra $$ hopefully will see the benefit in the forth coming years; with better support from MNZ through out all classes; especially grass roots, where it is most important for the sport to remand popular.


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[Pumba]

.........You've been dying to use that haven't you... :)

I am trying to figure out when he learnt to copy and paste.

[kel]

I'm a bit on the fence regarding people racing the GP/tt on a "day/event license"; it does make a little bit of a mockery of the entire event

GP licence requirement is what it is. The TT is effectively a B grade race (support race), what is your reasoning for not being able to race on a day licence?

[Drew]

I think it's clear that any national title, under the umbrella of MNZ requires a full competition licence.

I think the post classic association branched away from MNZ so that they could run their own championships, as they saw fit. I THINK. Could be completely wrong on that score.

But it is an option for bucketeers, if the MNZ way is not agreeable to the majority.

[seymour14]

MNZ don't supply cups, all I got from them was a paper certificate and a cheep arse medal that said I was bucket sidecar champ !! I was going to send it back but they don't care about buckets anyway..I got a great trophy from the TRRS :first:
So for all the extra money they would get , what would we get??

I'll show you mine if you show me yours!

Was not overly impressed with our certificates back in the day, were handwritten in block letters, mine in black felt pen! Hey Crazyman or Crazychicken (whatever), I've still got your certificate, do you have mine by any chance?

[crazy man]

I'll show you mine if you show me yours!

Was not overly impressed with our certificates back in the day, were handwritten in block letters, mine in black felt pen! Hey Crazyman or Crazychicken (whatever), I've still got your certificate, do you have mine by any chance?l gave my medal to rick cause he kick are ass last time out.. did not know we got a certificate that must be worth a k going of today prices , l may put it on trademe:violin:

[Henk]

My mind says dont be stupid:sweatdrop But the racer in me says bring it:first:


Right, last race of the day if you don't do the GP or the GP if you do. We'll have to agree on some weird penalty and wether the winner or loser pays up. Not sure I'm keen on another penalty drink deal like I have with Koba, he owes me a drink from Taumarunui and I think it has anchovies in it:sick:

[seymour14]

l gave my medal to rick cause he kick are ass last time out.. did not know we got a certificate that must be worth a k going of today prices , l may put it on trademe:violin:


Must be worth at least a K, bid up hard bucketeers!



Figured we must have got a certificate each for 2000 as well, can't remember ever seeing one, we were ripped! :angry:

[all4A50s]

And before I get showered in sh!t, one has never been allowed to race the GP on a day/event license (please correct me if I'm wrong); I agree that the two tiered license structure hasn't done buckets (in particular the holding of the National GP) any favours. But without full submissions on the rules by all clubs then we're kind of stuck with it (and that hasn't happened thus far).
The extra $$ hopefully will see the benefit in the forth coming years; with better support from MNZ through out all classes; especially grass roots, where it is most important for the sport to remand popular.


When I raced the TRRS bucket GP it was made very clear to me I could go out on a day license (I did have to belong to a local M/C club) but would not qualify for points or podium, which suited me perfectly as it was the only national event I did. And to my knowledge everyone who went out didn't mind and we all got to play with our toys on the circular sandpit (even though one person's engine did spring a leak during qualifying (not that I'm bitching)).

The reason I was given it wasn't the norm (then) was they didn't want people going out in a national event without having done at least three meets so they had some idea of what to do out there.

I think that for buckets we should have the opportunity to be able to go out on a day license and simply not qualify for podium/title/points for a GP, even if that means we start at the back of the grid, if that is the only national event we do in a 12 month period (unless it is the same event and they fall say 11 and a half months apart). If we want to do more than one we have to get a race license. This way I believe will increase the popularity of the national bucket events, so people can have a go (or get away for an annual holiday) at low cost and some will then invest in a race license. I know a few people who would then go as like me simply don't have $200 more after paying the race fees.

[Kickaha]

I think that for buckets we should have the opportunity to be able to go out on a day license and simply not qualify for podium/title/points for a GP
What happens when someone on a day licence and not being able to qualify for podium/points/title fucks up someone race who can? you should either have the correct licence or not be racing it

[Str8 Jacket]

What happens when someone on a day licence and not being able to qualify for podium/points/title fucks up someone race who can? you should either have the correct licence or not be racing it

Sorry George - I have to agree with this, especially with the situation I find myself in at the moment......

[Henk]

What happens when someone on a day licence and not being able to qualify for podium/points/title fucks up someone race who can? you should either have the correct licence or not be racing it

Letting effectively non competitors ride in the GP was suggested, and that was exactly the argument used successfully against it. I've asked what the deal is on licences because the rule book isn't exactly clear on it and I've spent quite a bit of time going through it over the past couple of days.

On the other hande, if you can't ride the GP you will miss out on one race that weekend out of what will still be a busy weekend of racing if it all goes off, and it's a bloody awesome track. I still can't decide if it or Kaitoke is my favourite kart track.

[crazy man]

What happens when someone on a day licence and not being able to qualify for podium/points/title fucks up someone race who can? you should either have the correct licence or not be racing itbut 6 bikes would look silly at a gp. lf your good enough you should be able to get through the back markers ok and if the are A graders in to first place. the worst thing about gps at kart track is ( its hard to over take somone as fast as you ) big tracks are easy.

[Henk]

but 6 bikes would look silly at a gp. lf your good enough you should be able to get through the back markers ok and if the are A graders in to first place. the worst thing about gps at kart track is ( its hard to over take somone as fast as you ) big tracks are easy.

The potential issue is two guys at the front battling for position coming up on a back marker somewhere that there is no room for three bikes wide and because the at the front battling for the lead going in three wide anyway. At the end of the day it's up to the steward on the day and if I ws filling that job I wouldn't be comfortable with the situation. I know that full licences if required will cut down on teh entries for the GP but I'd like to think there would be more than six anyway.

[F5 Dave]

. . but I'd like to think there would be more than six anyway.
Might scupper the F5 again as added expense was what stopped a lot more people bringing a 50 as well.

[F5 Dave]

. . . the worst thing about gps at kart track is ( its hard to over take somone as fast as you ) big tracks are easy.
Agreed, a GP should be a longish track. It was run at Mt wgtn for a few years which was a drag, but on the balance was a whole lot better than not running it at all so good on Auckland club for putting the option up for Toke & hopefully we can race somewhere else in later years.

[kel]

The potential issue is two guys at the front battling for position coming up on a back marker somewhere that there is no room for three bikes wide and because the at the front battling for the lead going in three wide anyway.

Love it! All part of racing :Punk: (except when Im the one that ends up in the grass)

We just need to accept the licence requirement for the GP (once confirmed). Problem is anyone can buy a MNZ licence, club or championship. The speed issue can only fully be dealt with through qualifying cut offs. Maybe throw in a flag reading test ...

Anyways hurry up and confirm a date already.

[Henk]

Right

The official word from MNZ is that the GP is a recognised NZ Championship therefore anyone who wants to compete in it requires the full Licence.
Not what I wanted to hear but at least we have an answer and can go forward.
On a club licence you can still turn up and ride all the races on the weekend except for the GPs.

[Henk]

Might scupper the F5 again as added expense was what stopped a lot more people bringing a 50 as well.

You, one of the Diproses, Michelle, Tim, One of the Fords, Me
there are six definite starters, with luck Max Olsen will rock up and I'm sure we can put somebody on Cullys bike as well. Luke may rock up on Shonas bike if he is riding the F4 GP.

The numbers are potentially there and for anyone that has an F5 bike lurking about drag it along, since this meeting (If it happens) will be run along the lines of an Auckland club round there will probably be no charge for cross entries so you get two GPs for the price of one.

[crazy man]

Agreed, a GP should be a longish track. It was run at Mt wgtn for a few years which was a drag, but on the balance was a whole lot better than not running it at all so good on Auckland club for putting the option up for Toke & hopefully we can race somewhere else in later years.agree better than nothing and is the best kart track for the job

[seymour14]

As a newby, I would be keen on a seperate B-Grade event (suspect that's where I will be), so no need for a full license. Back in the day there was no requirement to have a full license to be the "Swinger" on an outfit in the GP either.

Can't for the life of me remember if I had the full license or not at the time, but I certainly got two GP titles as a Swinger in 1999 and 2000. With todays rules, do you both need full licenses or not? $200 is a lot to hang onto the side of a chair!

I am asking because if one person has paid up (the rider), surely that passes the test. Otherwise MNZ are essentially getting $400 for one 20 lap race (assuming).

I hope this one just remains at the discretion of the bucket fraternity.

[ac3_snow]

As a newby, I would be keen on a seperate B-Grade event (suspect that's where I will be), so no need for a full license. Back in the day there was no requirement to have a full license to be the "Swinger" on an outfit in the GP either.

Can't for the life of me remember if I had the full license or not at the time, but I certainly got two GP titles as a Swinger in 1999 and 2000. With todays rules, do you both need full licenses or not? $200 is a lot to hang onto the side of a chair!

I am asking because if one person has paid up (the rider), surely that passes the test. Otherwise MNZ are essentially getting $400 for one 20 lap race (assuming).

I hope this one just remains at the discretion of the bucket fraternity.

not saying I agree with it but it is in the rule book unfortunately.


5.2.9 A sidecar combination competing in any competition other than Record
Attempts must carry a passenger. Passengers are deemed to be competitors
and must have the appropriate current licence.

Obviously the licence system doesn't work very well in this situation (if it wasn't for the GP it would be a great system as we have been racing all year with only a $100 licence!), but thats the reason we have gone for somewhere like Tokoroa, so that we don't have to charge stupid money just to get on the track. The idea is that the money saved on entry fees will give you abit of change left over to pay for the licence upgrade so you can have a crack at the nz GP tittle for those that wish.
And for those who don't wish to pay the extra $100 to MNZ there will still be a whole weekends worth of club racing which everyone can compete in.

[Henk]

What AC3 said.

also we haven't finalised on the event happening yet let alone a programme but I'm sure we can throw in a B grade endurance race to keep things ticking along. Regarding the sidecars, I'm going to suggest that we apply for the sidecar GP if we go ahead with the meeting but unfortunately suspect that there is no way we will get the required six entries even if the licences weren't at issue. I can only think of four sidecars running semi regularly at the moment and I know at least one of them won't be coming.

[Str8 Jacket]

Just out of interest have we settled on a date for the event yet??

[Henk]

Just out of interest have we settled on a date for the event yet??

Waiting hear from kart club on if the dates we approached them with are available and what the cost will be.

[Str8 Jacket]

Waiting hear from kart club on if the dates we approached them with are available and what the cost will be.

Cheers! Keeping my fingers crossed for the May date (sorry guy's!!)

[ac3_snow]

Cheers! Keeping my fingers crossed for the May date (sorry guy's!!)

Hows it going are you mending well? I feel for ya, May still seems ages away!

[sidwyz]

You, one of the Diproses, Michelle, Tim, One of the Fords, Me
there are six definite starters, with luck Max Olsen will rock up and I'm sure we can put somebody on Cullys bike as well. Luke may rock up on Shonas bike if he is riding the F4 GP.


Yep will take Shona's bike as well if it is April, wont be able to make it if its run those dates in may.

[Str8 Jacket]

Hows it going are you mending well? I feel for ya, May still seems ages away!

Sadly i won't be racing until the 6 months is up - if my collar bone has healed and the plate out, will have to wait for 6 months as it's turned to mush apparently :(

The reason i want the may date was because we will be up that way anyway and if there is an event in April then i doubt we'll make it. Thing is, is that neither of us will be racing the GP, M only the support races due to licence costs, so it doesn't really matter. i just want to watch the racing and catch up with everyone!!!

[Henk]

Cheers! Keeping my fingers crossed for the May date (sorry guy's!!)

We may have another date in the hat. 13 14 April, earlier for hopefully better weather and avoids clashing with anything.

[Str8 Jacket]

We may have another date in the hat. 13 14 April, earlier for hopefully better weather and avoids clashing with anything.

still the may date is pretty good eh! ;-)

[kel]

still the may date is pretty good eh! ;-)

Like she said

[Henk]

You'd be two of the four then at a guess.
Advantage for the early April date as far as I can see is no clashes. Advantage for may? I like riding in the rain.

[Pumba]

I like riding in the rain.

However camping in the rain not so cool

[Str8 Jacket]

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what date you hold - the people will come and those that think they can't now may be able to in the future. Good on you guys for organising it!!!

[Henk]

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what date you hold - the people will come and those that think they can't now may be able to in the future. Good on you guys for organising it!!!

Much as I hate to say it this isn't a done deal yet. We have to get a confirmed OK from the kart club and then we have to decide if we want to go ahead or not. I think there is enough interest to justify it but I'm only one voice amongst many.

[timg]

20/21 April suits me :yes: (School holidays so we can do a bit of a road trip up norf)

[Str8 Jacket]

Much as I hate to say it this isn't a done deal yet. We have to get a confirmed OK from the kart club and then we have to decide if we want to go ahead or not. I think there is enough interest to justify it but I'm only one voice amongst many.
fingers crossed


20/21 April suits me :yes: (School holidays so we can do a bit of a road trip up norf)
during school hols could be helpful to a number of riders as they could bring their families too!

[Rick 52]

fingers crossed


during school hols could be helpful to a number of riders as they could bring their families too!

Yea this is a real plus ay..lets see what comes back with the dates from the club..

[crazy man]

will the bob have to have the 200 buck license to run now?

[crazy man]

:woohoo::woohoo::niceone::niceone::drinknsin:drink nsin

Well, given you guys have actually put yours hand up to make it happen; then sh!t we (Team GPR) are in.
I Haven't had that much joy this end of island.:facepalm:

And while I personally think Taupo for the GP is Fken cool; the price is just too much without support.
Tokoroa is a great track and would be a lot of fun.


So that's another 5-6 solo riders & a sidecar...

If it go's forth:
Given that it is a bucket only event; could we consider a B-Grade GP (like the old days?).


Now where's chucky :sick::innocent:sounds like a tui add

[timg]

will the bob have to have the 200 buck license to run now?

No, it's not a championship event or a street race etc.

[crazy man]

No, it's not a championship event or a street race etc.so if the gp was called gpb . b for bucket or what ever we can do away from a million dollar event

[Buckets4Me]

What happens when someone on a day licence and not being able to qualify for podium/points/title fucks up someone race who can? you should either have the correct licence or not be racing it

second or third that
a new rider could really make a mess up a faster racer out there :niceone:

but you never know my 13 year old son realy wants to throw a leg over TZ's bike (TZ being his grandad) :niceone:
he's ridden a few dirt bike before
cant realy see any harm in him racing the GP :killingme (you wont mind if he wobbles around a bit will you)

[timg]

so if the gp was called gpb . b for bucket or what ever we can do away from a million dollar event
I'm no expert, it's not the name, it's that it's a national title/champion ship :)

[Dutchee]

second or third that
a new rider could really make a mess up a faster racer out there :niceone:

but you never know my 13 year old son realy wants to throw a leg over TZ's bike (TZ being his grandad) :niceone:
he's ridden a few dirt bike before
cant realy see any harm in him racing the GP :killingme (you wont mind if he wobbles around a bit will you)

Is this the younger one that hasn't raced yet? I was always petrified of running young Rob over, and hated trying to pass him, in case it was at that point he did his crash of the moment.

[seymour14]

I'm no expert, it's not the name, it's that it's a national title/champion ship :)

Then one of two things needs to happen, because we all love our National Titles.

either...

a) Our $200 cost should become something more like $50 over the top of the usual costs, because unlike other National titles where your $200 outlay can be averaged over several National Title points rounds, ours is a single one off race, and over and above that there is little MNZ participation for our event.

or...

b) We deserve more "bang for our buck". It is high time our sport was televised at least the once, or have more coverage in the newspapers, or better still, MNZ should be negotiating on our behalf to get better access to new tracks, thus bringing in more participants, and potentially more money in their pockets. I know ours is a small sport, but the monies given to these people over many years should allow at least for something! Anything, no matter how small is better then nothing. Here in Palmy, we are crying out to get things cracking again, if the might of MNZ could lend us even the slightest firepower, I would be hopeful we could offer another track to our fine ensemble of tracks.

Anyway, food for thought.

:argue::argue::argue::argue::argue::argue::argue:: argue::argue::argue::argue::argue::argue::argue::a rgue::argue::argue::argue::argue::argue::argue::ar gue::argue::argue:

[Henk]

I've been spending far too much time on this lately but as far as media coverage goes it's a case of do it yourself.

http://mnz.edev.co.nz/docs/club/event-media-plan-example.pdf?sfvrsn=2

The $250 permit fee was a bit of a surprise as well. Financially I think we'll go backwards on this.

[koba]

I've been spending far too much time on this lately but as far as media coverage goes it's a case of do it yourself.

http://mnz.edev.co.nz/docs/club/event-media-plan-example.pdf?sfvrsn=2

The $250 permit fee was a bit of a surprise as well. Financially I think we'll go backwards on this.

"Look for spelling, grammar, punctuation and missing words and it pays to read your
work out loud"

:facepalm:




Otherwise, that is a reasonably helpful document.

[NSR143]

I've been spending far too much time on this lately but as far as media coverage goes it's a case of do it yourself.

http://mnz.edev.co.nz/docs/club/event-media-plan-example.pdf?sfvrsn=2

The $250 permit fee was a bit of a surprise as well. Financially I think we'll go backwards on this.

You'll get the numbers on the day and hopefully a grid that has enough full licences to make a GP a GP. I will support it by either riding or helping.

[Henk]

"Look for spelling, grammar, punctuation and missing words and it pays to read your
work out loud"

:facepalm:




Otherwise, that is a reasonably helpful document.

Didn't bother reading it. I figure our media plan will be "not going to bother"

Will be an interesting exercise all round. I wonder if they will waive the 60 working day lead time on a championship permit, if not we are sunk already.

[seymour14]

I've been spending far too much time on this lately but as far as media coverage goes it's a case of do it yourself.

http://mnz.edev.co.nz/docs/club/event-media-plan-example.pdf?sfvrsn=2

The $250 permit fee was a bit of a surprise as well. Financially I think we'll go backwards on this.

Sent in what I thought was a fair and interesting description of what Buckets is all about to our local Fairfax run media, two attempts and a week later, no reply! Will try again, but I expect I am pushing the proverbial uphill, down here they are in love with Brendon Hartley, even though I have more penises then he has National titles.

F##k cars by the way, "A car is a motorcycle with trainer wheels".

My point would be that it would be beneficial to us if MNZ advised our local Karting fraternity that we are a well run club with ample precautions taken for not harming their precious track, their help would be gratefully accepted. Otherwise it seems a "David vs Goliath" challenge down here.

Did I mention f##k Brendon Hartley by any chance, can't remember, the dozy c##t!!!! :angry2::angry2:

[Henk]

You'll get the numbers on the day and hopefully a grid that has enough full licences to make a GP a GP. I will support it by either riding or helping.

I'd rather you rode for a change. Would be cool if we could nick your flags though. You have a better collection than we do.

[Henk]

My point would be that it would be beneficial to us if MNZ advised our local Karting fraternity that we are a well run club with ample precautions taken for not harming their precious track, their help would be gratefully accepted. Otherwise it seems a "David vs Goliath" challenge down here.

Did I mention f##k Brendon Hartley by any chance, can't remember, the dozy c##t!!!! :angry2::angry2:

If you are dealing with the kart clubs, consider using Kaitoke, Roy's hill mt Welly and the tracks Steve has been using for the NI series as references, they all seem to think we do more good than harm.

[Str8 Jacket]

I'd rather you rode for a change. Would be cool if we could nick your flags though. You have a better collection than we do.

Yeah same. At the end of the day if you guy's need numbers and helpers I am sure M and I could punish ourselves by making the journey and having a terribly fun weekend. I will be able to help with anything and everything as I won't be riding.

I reckon you guy's will have enough numbers, if you can get an event together. Nothing stopping you from charging a lil bit more in the way of an entry fee too if need be, call it a "camping charge" even $5-$10 for every adult should help make up a loss, should there be any.

[Dutchee]

bit late in the day on this, but if you want an article published, send it in around Xmas time, early new year. They publish a lot of fillers in this time, and use a photo like one of Damien's. Have a local slant to it. Regan leading a race in th Nirth Island series, type of thing.

If you spot any reporter has a soft spot for Motorsport, attention it to them.
Damn, this keyboard is driving me nuts, it is on a go slow, wonder if it needs coffee too lol

[Bert]

I reckon you guy's will have enough numbers, if you can get an event together. Nothing stopping you from charging a lil bit more in the way of an entry fee too if need be, call it a "camping charge" even $5-$10 for every adult should help make up a loss, should there be any.

Good thinking Hels. :msn-wink:

[seymour14]

bit late in the day on this, but if you want an article published, send it in around Xmas time, early new year. They publish a lot of fillers in this time, and use a photo like one of Damien's. Have a local slant to it. Regan leading a race in th Nirth Island series, type of thing.

If you spot any reporter has a soft spot for Motorsport, attention it to them.
Damn, this keyboard is driving me nuts, it is on a go slow, wonder if it needs coffee too lol

Have tried a secondary paper now, here's the write up just out of interest. (Hope it shows, not sure about document format!)

Have "borrowed" an image but told them it is a generic one and that we could find another if need be, so apologies for cropping someone's (Chris?) picture, (it's an excellent photo so I'm sure he won't mind!).

[Muzzab]

Then one of two things needs to happen, because we all love our National Titles.

either...

a) Our $200 cost should become something more like $50 over the top of the usual costs, because unlike other National titles where your $200 outlay can be averaged over several National Title points rounds, ours is a single one off race, and over and above that there is little MNZ participation for our event.

or...

b) We deserve more "bang for our buck". It is high time our sport was televised at least the once, or have more coverage in the newspapers, or better still, MNZ should be negotiating on our behalf to get better access to new tracks, thus bringing in more participants, and potentially more money in their pockets. I know ours is a small sport, but the monies given to these people over many years should allow at least for something! Anything, no matter how small is better then nothing. Here in Palmy, we are crying out to get things cracking again, if the might of MNZ could lend us even the slightest firepower, I would be hopeful we could offer another track to our fine ensemble of tracks.

Anyway, food for thought.

:argue::argue::argue::argue::argue::argue::argue:: argue::argue::argue::argue::argue::argue::argue::a rgue::argue::argue::argue::argue::argue::argue::ar gue::argue::argue:

I went bang for buck this year, the plan is to fit in three street race meetings instead of the usual one.

[goivy26]

MNZ don't supply cups, all I got from them was a paper certificate and a cheep arse medal that said I was bucket sidecar champ !! I was going to send it back but they don't care about buckets anyway..I got a great trophy from the TRRS :first:
So for all the extra money they would get , what would we get??



Hi Rick,

Could you pleased post or PM me some photos of your side chair, I am keen on building one.

Thanks

[koba]

If you spot any reporter has a soft spot for Motorsport, attention it to them.
Damn, this keyboard is driving me nuts, it is on a go slow, wonder if it needs coffee too lol

Hot drinks aren't good for them, I've experimented extensively!

[Rick 52]

Hi Rick,

Could you pleased post or PM me some photos of your side chair, I am keen on building one.

Thanks
No probs, I will take some today ..

[Bert]

Something for future reference ??? while it will make no difference this year, maybe it might help in future years....

MNZ rule change procedure:
http://www.mnz.co.nz/regulations/rules/submit-a-rule-change


MNZ Rule change Form:
http://mnz.edev.co.nz/docs/regulations/form-to-make-a-rule-change---clubs.pdf?sfvrsn=2


And here's a concept (scribbled down this morning. so please excuse the spelling or grammer) also of note, I didn't mention cost (but I'm assuming it will be less that the $100 upgrade):
"Special Event Upgrade Licence" one off supplementary to one's current Club Licence:
278589

Any submissions need to be undertaken by a club.
Maybe all the bucket racing clubs should submit on a common rule change to ensure that the bucket racing community is satisfied...:lol::lol::killingme:killingme

[Buckets4Me]

Is this the younger one that hasn't raced yet? I was always petrified of running young Rob over, and hated trying to pass him, in case it was at that point he did his crash of the moment.
yes it is. And I was always petrified of him causing you to crash :(

will try and come down with both bike but neither of the kids :niceone: then all you have to watch out for is me falling of infrount of you

[Dutchee]

yes it is. And I was always petrified of him causing you to crash :(

will try and come down with both bike but neither of the kids :niceone: then all you have to watch out for is me falling of infrount of you

I'll be safe as not going to be riding any time soon. Having a break and taking up a new hobby.

[Skunk]

Something for future reference ??? while it will make no difference this year, maybe it might help in future years....

MNZ rule change procedure:
http://www.mnz.co.nz/regulations/rules/submit-a-rule-change


MNZ Rule change Form:
http://mnz.edev.co.nz/docs/regulations/form-to-make-a-rule-change---clubs.pdf?sfvrsn=2


And here's a concept (scribbled down this morning. so please excuse the spelling or grammer) also of note, I didn't mention cost (but I'm assuming it will be less that the $100 upgrade):
"Special Event Upgrade Licence" one off supplementary to one's current Club Licence:
278589

Any submissions need to be undertaken by a club.
Maybe all the bucket racing clubs should submit on a common rule change to ensure that the bucket racing community is satisfied...:lol::lol::killingme:killingme
If you guys want this PULL YA FINGERS OUT! The MNZ AGM is a short time away (May) and this must be in before then. Fill in the paperwork and get it to your club. They'll do the rest.
Stop talking (and whinging) and start doing.

[Kickaha]

Stop talking (and whinging) and start doing.

That's just crazy talk :eek5:

[seymour14]

Something for future reference ??? while it will make no difference this year, maybe it might help in future years....

MNZ rule change procedure:
http://www.mnz.co.nz/regulations/rules/submit-a-rule-change


MNZ Rule change Form:
http://mnz.edev.co.nz/docs/regulations/form-to-make-a-rule-change---clubs.pdf?sfvrsn=2


And here's a concept (scribbled down this morning. so please excuse the spelling or grammer) also of note, I didn't mention cost (but I'm assuming it will be less that the $100 upgrade):
"Special Event Upgrade Licence" one off supplementary to one's current Club Licence:
278589

Any submissions need to be undertaken by a club.
Maybe all the bucket racing clubs should submit on a common rule change to ensure that the bucket racing community is satisfied...:lol::lol::killingme:killingme

If time is of the essence then I think your rule change is just what is needed, and with a quick spell check or grammar check, fire it off quick. At least MNZ can discuss it and make alterations in committee, that would allow it to go to the next round.

Time to get everyone's agreement on this, if this is to become a rule, any dissenters should speak up now!

[Henk]

I'm keen to see some changes but thought a remit that doesn't require a national licence at all for buckets may have been the go.

[Bert]

I'm keen to see some changes but thought a remit that doesn't require a national licence at all for buckets may have been the go.

I do agree, but I sat back and thought about what Mnz might accept for application across all dissaplines. As surely it's a gapping big hole that needs filling in the current structure... Maybe it could be renamed "wildcard special event license"".
Has anyone heard of what happened at nats this year, has there been any cases of club license holders being allowed to race in championship classes???

And some remit on removal of requirements for national license for buckets to aim fostering youth into motorcycle racing.
Two pronged attack is better than one.

[richban]

I do agree, but I sat back and thought about what Mnz might accept for application across all dissaplines. As surely it's a gapping big hole that needs filling in the current structure... Maybe it could be renamed "wildcard special event license"".
Has anyone heard of what happened at nats this year, has there been any cases of club license holders being allowed to race in championship classes???

And some remit on removal of requirements for national license for buckets to aim fostering youth into motorcycle racing.
Two pronged attack is better than one.


Not sure Buckets should get off the hook like that. What make bucket racers so fucken special. One rule to rule them all I say. Otherwise it just strengthens that us and them mentality that I hate so much.

[Kickaha]

Not sure Buckets should get off the hook like that. What make bucket racers so fucken special. One rule to rule them all I say. Otherwise it just strengthens that us and them mentality that I hate so much.

I agree with that guy

[koba]

I'm lost.

What are the dates?

13th and 14th April?

[Str8 Jacket]

I'm lost.

What are the dates?

13th and 14th April?

FFS, I though that we'd been over this.....?!?!?! :crazy:

[ac3_snow]

I'm lost.

What are the dates?

13th and 14th April?

haha yes 13 & 14 April, refer here : http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/157021-Gp-2013

and just for you, a pretty picture so you won't forget.
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[F5 Dave]

Groovy

obviously the GP isn't Lemon start other wise it wouldn't be a GP, that must be for a support race.

[Henk]

Groovy

obviously the GP isn't Lemon start other wise it wouldn't be a GP, that must be for a support race.

Lemon start and playing about with whatever will be on the Saturday. We can give you a lemon start for the GP if you like so that you don't get in anyone's way if your 100 expires.

[F5 Dave]

I've had a couple of Lemon starts in the 50. Once when 'orrible Aucklanders jumped the start so obviously I didn't bother to let the clutch out assuming it would be restarted (would be good to know if the starter will be strict or lax at this meeting so we know if its ok to cheat). & another year when my 50 got the blubbers so bad it wouldn't go for 1/2 a lap.

Then on the 100 when, well I think it expired & I had to jump over the fence at TRRS only to have the the flagpole I was holding onto come with me as some muppet hadn't attached it to anything, a decent wind would have blown it onto the track in front of a thou doing a million. but boy did the assembled masses laugh at me. Thanks track maintenance jerk, I owe you one:oi-grr:.

Anyway that's 3rd time lucky so I can expect decent starts from now thanks.

[Str8 Jacket]

FFS dude, they'll be no pole dancing this year! :crazy:

[Bert]

Something for future reference ??? while it will make no difference this year, maybe it might help in future years....

MNZ rule change procedure:
http://www.mnz.co.nz/regulations/rules/submit-a-rule-change


MNZ Rule change Form:
http://mnz.edev.co.nz/docs/regulations/form-to-make-a-rule-change---clubs.pdf?sfvrsn=2


And here's a concept (scribbled down this morning. so please excuse the spelling or grammer) also of note, I didn't mention cost (but I'm assuming it will be less that the $100 upgrade):
"Special Event Upgrade Licence" one off supplementary to one's current Club Licence:
278589

Any submissions need to be undertaken by a club.
Maybe all the bucket racing clubs should submit on a common rule change to ensure that the bucket racing community is satisfied...:lol::lol::killingme:killingme

Maybe some progress on this one.. Maybe.. (including new spelling errors)... Heehee
Big thanks to Vic club for supporting the submission.
Made it through to the 2013 proposed changes, so maybe it might fly.

Let's hope it helps with the next GP..

http://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-source/regulations/summary-of-all-proposed-rule-changes-for-website.pdf?sfvrsn=2

[F5 Dave]

Good effort

[speedpro]

I like it.......

[Pumba]

Liking it as well

[seymour14]

Well done that man!