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speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 14:52

People like you with your short-sighted "me me me" attitude will be the downfall of small business in this country as we know and enjoy it currently. Enjoy your purchase.

Was wondering when that post would pop up.

People like me spend money at bike shops too. People like me are smart enough to realise that $400 on a front mud guard is ludicrous (probably not the dealers fault, likely Honda). This year I've spent $1000 at a bike shop, and appreciated their input. Online, $200 and I accept the risks. The bike shop wouldn't have gotten any more of my money, because I don't have any more to spend.

Listen before you mouth off, the dealers are lucky that I've got a fucking job with money to spend in the first place.

Madness

10th February 2013, 15:18

Listen before you mouth off.

This forum has audio?

Alright point taken Princess, now calm the fuck down before you soil yourself.

The whole "eBay is great" mantra is the issue I take exception to, rather than your purchase of Honda parts specifically. Too many fuckwits will take that as a reccomendation to go online & do Kiwis out of a sale when they are in a position to be competitive. Trust me, there are people out there thick enough to do exactly that.

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 15:32

Fair call.

Things like bar ends, bolts, etc, are not worth the time for either party to get from a dealer. The flexibility of eBay/online stores is there so you get more of a choice for the smaller stuff you just can't easily get in NZ.

There's no point in trying to convert the pure online purchaser, they were a lost customer anyway. Let them make mistakes, and compete in the clusterfuck that is online sales. Rumor has it they make bugger all money anyway.

I wouldn't write it all off completely. A lot of the online stores/sellers are New Zealanders trying to get a slice of the cake.

Madness

10th February 2013, 15:39

The flexibility of eBay/online stores is there so you get more of a choice for the smaller stuff you just can't easily get in NZ.
And the choice available locally is only going to get smaller as the online buying increases, a self-perpetuating extinction.

There's no point in trying to convert the pure online purchaser, they were a lost customer anyway. Let them make mistakes, and compete in the clusterfuck that is online sales. Rumor has it they make bugger all money anyway.
I'm not trying to convert anyone, that's Ed's domain. Point is though, if no prick pokes these numpties in the eye with a stick occasionally there won't be many bike shops left in this country, or other stores catering to specialty markets for that matter. The eBay traders probably don't make much margin, but remember they are selling to a much, much bugger market than the shop down the road in little old Enzed.

A lot of the online stores/sellers are New Zealanders trying to get a slice of the cake.
Really?, a lot of New Zealanders selling motorsickle stuff to the Yanks on eBay despite our dollar, our location and the limited choice of product available locally? Well bugger me.

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 15:45

And the choice available locally is only going to get smaller as the online buying increases, a self-perpetuating extinction.

I disagree. Show me a shop big enough to hold and source that much stuff from the thousands of Chinese/American distributors. That's where the little online sellers find a niche.

Really?, a lot of New Zealanders selling motorsickle stuff to the Yanks on eBay despite our dollar, our location and the limited choice of product available locally? Well bugger me.

Yeah, don't have numbers for that. No argument.

Madness

10th February 2013, 15:47

I disagree. Show me a shop big enough to hold and source that much stuff from the thousands of Chinese/American distributors. That's where the little online sellers find a niche.

I really don't thik you understood my point. Try again, read slowly.

bogan

10th February 2013, 15:53

eBay rocks

Fuck, the shipping must be horrendous, don't we have some here you could dig up?

ducatilover

10th February 2013, 15:56

And the choice available locally is only going to get smaller as the online buying increases, a self-perpetuating extinction.
This is very true, there are many factors I suppose, but I'm considering starting a small business importing some of the more common eGay purchases and selling them for a (small) mark up (don't really have any overheads + I have plenty of storage space). That would be supporting the NZ (err, just Doug) economy... I think

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 15:57

I'm saying if someone stocked that selection locally - I'd go there.

Who thought it was a bright idea to start selling this guff first? The slow lumbering traditional local business, or the masses of "online entrepreneurs".

Local stores sell bikes, common parts, tyres, etc. Most of those are high margin, easy to stock and source. Online retailers will try to compete, and they will take some of the customers away from the local stores. I don't think that can be avoided in this day and age, and bike shops need to adapt/compete.

Online sellers on eBay and TradeMe will continue to make bugger all money, sourcing cheap parts from China and selling off with minimal margin. No bike shop really wants to deal with all that, legally having to provide warranties and so on.

I'd quit worrying, local stores won't go away any time soon. Some of them haven't survived, which means the market has spoken. That sucks, but it's reality.

Madness

10th February 2013, 15:57

This is very true, there are many factors I suppose, but I'm considering starting a small business importing some of the more common eGay purchases and selling them for a (small) mark up (don't really have any overheads + I have plenty of storage space). That would be supporting the NZ (err, just Doug) economy... I think

Good luck with that.

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 15:58

Fuck, the shipping must be horrendous, don't we have some here you could dig up?

Free shipping, fuck knows how :confused:

It'll likely arrive as cracked as my current one :facepalm:

At $70 I'm happy to take that risk. I searched a few parts places, someone had one but needed sanding/painting and it wasn't new. I don't have time getting that sorted, would have ended up being $200 all up plus my time.

ducatilover

10th February 2013, 16:02

Good luck with that.

:facepalm: I'll need it with everyone importing everything.
But, a faggoty pansy bad attitude won't get me anywhere (I ain't no black woman, nuh-uh)

Madness

10th February 2013, 16:04

I'm saying if someone stocked that selection locally - I'd go there.
And I'm saying that if the trend to privately import continues to grow at the current rate we will not have any choice but to buy online.

Local stores sell bikes, common parts, tyres, etc. Most of those are high margin, easy to stock and source. Online retailers will try to compete, and they will take some of the customers away from the local stores. I don't think that can be avoided in this day and age, and bike shops need to adapt/compete.
High margin, huh? :killingme
Easy to stock, huh? Paid rent on a commercial warehouse lately?
They don't have to adapt actually. They can simply continue to close up shop as they have been in droves.

No bike shop really wants to deal with all that, legally having to provide warranties and so on.
Really? I thought that was their entire reason for being in business, you know, selling stuff.

I'd quit worrying, local stores won't go away any time soon. Some of them haven't survived, which means the market has spoken. That sucks, but it's reality.
Oh, I'm not worried by it. I'm frustrated by the stupidity of some but at the end of the day it will be them who complain when they have little choice locally and there's nothing that resembles healthy competition in the local marketplace.

Madness

10th February 2013, 16:07

But, a faggoty pansy bad attitude won't get me anywhere

I wouldn't have said you have a bad attitude neccesarily.

:innocent:

ducatilover

10th February 2013, 16:14

I wouldn't have said you have a bad attitude neccesarily.

:innocent:

You're a sweetheart Madness.

One thing that I don't get, how are shops meant to adapt to the internet rape? They probably can't drop their margins on shelved products, costs money to keep shit.

clonak

10th February 2013, 16:32

You're a sweetheart Madness.

One thing that I don't get, how are shops meant to adapt to the internet rape? They probably can't drop their margins on shelved products, costs money to keep shit.

I had an website selling electronics, sold a fair bit on trade, stocked next to nothing. It was all drop shipping. Customer places an order with you, you place order to supplier, suppier ships to your customer with no markins. Im sure somewhere out there would be similar practises with motorbike parts, got to be for so many people on ebay to offer thnigs they way they do. I see alot of it on trademe too. Wouldnt hurt for a bike shop make a sort of catalogue, and order it in for them. If you could find who is supplying it.

But yes, whole buying online thing is killing retail shops. There was a thing on the news or 20/20 or something awhile back, shops shutting down and going wholely internet based, because they just weren;t getting the customers through the door anymore.

Madness

10th February 2013, 16:45

One thing that I don't get, how are shops meant to adapt to the internet rape? They probably can't drop their margins on shelved products, costs money to keep shit.

Exactly. To suggest that retailers simply need to adjust their business model or drop their pricing is sheer ignorance. If we want to continue to have the luxury of going onto a retailer and buying product off their shelf there & then, or perhaps trying stuff on or simply looking at an article, then we the consumer needs to adjust our buying habits.

Or, we just carry on thinking eBay is great & retailers are all a bunch of rip-off cunts and eventually there will be only one retail outlet for each brand of new motorcycle available in this country and all accessories, etc will have to be imported privately. It won't happen overnight but it will happen.

bogan

10th February 2013, 16:56

Exactly. To suggest that retailers simply need to adjust their business model or drop their pricing is sheer ignorance. If we want to continue to have the luxury of going onto a retailer and buying product off their shelf there & then, or perhaps trying stuff on or simply looking at an article, then we the consumer needs to adjust our buying habits.

Some of them could stop getting so pissy when 'their' consumers decide they don't want to have those luxuries.

Madness

10th February 2013, 17:05

Some of them could stop getting so pissy when 'their' consumers decide they don't want to have those luxuries.

Who are you referring to exactly?

FWIW I have nothing at all to do with the motorcycle industry personally, other than the fact that I quite like the idea of having access to choice & competition as a consumer. As I stated in "that other" thread, there will always be cases where local suppliers cannot compete or supply an equivalent and under these circumstances I don't feel the buyer should feel at all guilty. eBay & internet shopping certainly has it's place in this modern world but surely local shops do too? Maybe I'm wrong about that but if the demise of motorcycle retailers continue I'm pretty sure I know a few KBers who will be at the front of the queue of those moaning when there's none left.

Jantar

10th February 2013, 17:06

I also buy direct from overseas and cut out the local guy IF there is a substantial price difference. If the price difference is small (less than 50% or $100 dearer locally) then I'll buy in NZ. Often items from USA may look to be less expensive, but once you factor in the exchange rate, GST (if over $400) and lack of local support then that dearer item bought locally is often cheaper.

This winter I have two small projects on the DR650. For one of them (some plastic work) all items will be imported, simply because the New Zealand importer doesn't stock what I need and will only import in a batch of 12 that I will have to pay for when I only need one.

The other one is a simple front suspension upgrade, and for that I'll buy through Robert Taylor. He may be a little dearer than buying from USA, but one thing I can't import is his knowledge.

wasiler

10th February 2013, 17:06

Congrats on your ebay purchase. Yeah, I have seen a lot of good prices on ebay as well as other online places. All the people I ride with when I ask do they buy local or online they all say the same thing, "I buy where the price is the best". That was from a friend that recently purchased springs for his Ninja. Unlike these shops that keep saying "me me me"...... "buy my product because I want the extra cash to stay in business, without me, NZ will stop motorcycling" :laugh::laugh:. I have been looking at tyre prices online and already found a place that even with shipping I will be saving $$$$ dollars on a set. Motorcycle tyres are expensive and I don't need them right away so, might as well think ahead. I did buy some tyres locally recently because I needed them at the time and had to bite the bullet. Probably won't make that mistake again. Ebay is my first source if I can find it and it does not matter if it is in used condition.

Madness

10th February 2013, 17:08

Congrats on your ebay purchase. Yeah, I have seen a lot of good prices on ebay as well as other online places. All the people I ride with when I ask do they buy local or online they all say the same thing, "I buy where the price is the best". That was from a friend that recently purchased springs for his Ninja. Unlike these shops that keep saying "me me me"...... "buy my product because I want the extra cash to stay in business, without me, NZ will stop motorcycling" :laugh::laugh:. I have been looking at tyre prices online and already found a place that even with shipping I will be saving $100-$150 dollars on a set. Motorcycle tyres are expensive and I don't need them right away so, might as well think ahead. I did buy some tyres locally recently because I needed them at the time and had to bite the bullet. Probably won't make that mistake again. Ebay is my first source if I can find it and it does not matter if it is in used condition.

I rest my case. Of course you'll buy from eBay, it makes sense for you to support traders from your own country, eh?

The Americans obviously know so much more than we do about our own economy. Oh, wait...
http://img0083.popscreencdn.com/107984588_-of-the-collapse-of-lehman-brothers-lawrence-author-.jpg

Nice avatar too. Does this mean I can now call you Cock?

Cock.

wasiler

10th February 2013, 17:16

I rest my case. Of course you'll buy from eBay, it makes sense for you to support traders from your own counrry, eh?

Nice avatar too. Does this mean I can now call you Cock?

Cock.

I support the country with the lowest price. I purchased from Germany recently and saved hundreds of dollars on one item..

I am glad you like my cock but, would not share it with your kind. I bet you wish you had one.

Madness

10th February 2013, 17:17

I support the country with the lowest price. I purchased from Germany recently and saved hundreds of dollars on one item..

I am glad you like my cock but, would not share it with your kind. I bet you wish you had one.

I don't like your cock at all, or you for that matter. I'm suprised you had the intellect to think of it actually, are you sure a Kiwi didn't think of it?

I reckon you should be deported with an attitude like that. Fuck knows, we wouldn't be missing anything with you gone.

Cock.

bogan

10th February 2013, 17:22

Who are you referring to exactly?

FWIW I have nothing at all to do with the motorcycle industry personally, other than the fact that I quite like the idea of having access to choice & competition as a consumer. As I stated in "that other" thread, there will always be cases where local suppliers cannot compete or supply an equivalent and under these circumstances I don't feel the buyer should feel at all guilty. eBay & internet shopping certainly has it's place in this modern world but surely local shops do too? Maybe I'm wrong about that but if the demise of motorcycle retailers continue I'm pretty sure I know a few KBers who will be at the front of the queue of those moaning when there's none left.

Not too sure tbh, not you anyway. There just seems to be an implied theme in a lot of these threads that NZ'rs have a duty to support local business because local can provide additional services; which the customer doesn't actually want, much less want to pay for.

wasiler

10th February 2013, 17:22

I don't like your cock at all, or you for that matter. I'm suprised you had the intellect to think of it actually, are you sure a Kiwi didn't think of it?

Cock.

Nope, note a kiwi. I do get along with a lot of them them. It seems I don't get along with you which is a good thing. Does not surprise me though because probably most kiwis don't care for you much either. Also, no need to be so formal and sign your name at the end of your comment. Or is that something you are hoping to get. Trademe has a personal dating section I think and you would be supporting local business too.

SMOKEU

10th February 2013, 17:23

People like you with your short-sighted "me me me" attitude will be the downfall of small business in this country as we know and enjoy it currently. Enjoy your purchase.

We're not all rich enough to pay the highest price for everything we want.

Madness

10th February 2013, 17:25

Not too sure tbh, not you anyway. There just seems to be an implied theme in a lot of these threads that NZ'rs have a duty to support local business because local can provide additional services; which the customer doesn't actually want, much less want to pay for.

We don't have a duty to support local business at all. We do however have a responsibility to support local businesses wherever viable if we as consumers want to retain a local option that resembles anything at all like we have currently.

Cock up there doesn't give a fuck and why should he? It's not like this is his home.

Madness

10th February 2013, 17:29

Nope, note a kiwi. I do get along with a lot of them them. It seems I don't get along with you which is a good thing. Does not surprise me though because probably most kiwis don't care for you much either. Also, no need to be so formal and sign your name at the end of your comment. Or is that something you are hoping to get. Trademe has a personal dating section I think and you would be supporting local business too.

I don't give a fuck who cares for me, it's not like I'm incontinent or a retarded American who needs special care. You've used the dating site then? I bet it all goes well until you open that big stupid mouth of yours, then you're back off to the whorehouse where you'd get sexual favours for money, if only from the ugly desperate ones.

Madness

10th February 2013, 17:30

We're not all rich enough to pay the highest price for everything we want.

:facepalm:

It's alright Smokey, one day you'll earn grown-up wages.

bogan

10th February 2013, 17:37

We don't have a duty to support local business at all. We do however have a responsibility to support local businesses wherever viable if we as consumers want to retain a local option at all.

Cock up there doesn't give a fuck and why should he? It's not like this is his home.

Exactly, we get added value when we spend locally, but in many cases (as per OP) the added value doesn't come near to the extra cost, so we buy from overseas; I don't think retailers have a right to bitch and moan in those situations.

In other news, I'm exporting a bunch of A3 laminated posters soon, cos apparently its cheaper to get em made here and send em to the US than it is to get them made over there. So there are still local businesses competitive on the world market.

Madness

10th February 2013, 17:40

I don't think retailers have a right to bitch and moan in those situations.

Again, I don't see them bitching or moaning. I see them closing uo shop, permanently.

In other news, I'm exporting a bunch of A3 laminated posters soon, cos apparently its cheaper to get em made here and send em to the US than it is to get them made over there. So there are still local businesses competitive on the world market.

Great, when do you open your retail outlet? Otherwise that's pretty irrelevant I would have thought.

Digitdion

10th February 2013, 17:41

I don't like your cock at all, or you for that matter. I'm suprised you had the intellect to think of it actually, are you sure a Kiwi didn't think of it?

I reckon you should be deported with an attitude like that. Fuck knows, we wouldn't be missing anything with you gone.

Cock.

Here we go again. You will never win people over by labeling them numpties(in another similar thread) or telling them they should be deported. You are clearly a hypocrite. On one hand you slam people for shopping on he web from overseas. Then you admit that you do the same.

Get over it! In a perfect world we would all support the local dealers what ever they charged us. Bugger, it ain't a perfect.

Try looking at things this way. All of the bikers in New Zealand buy locally on there existing wages. No one can then afford to actually own a bike any more. Biking becomes the domain of the rich. A fraction of bikes now on the road. Nearly all bike shops go broke.
The same result as your argument regarding buying overseas.

SMOKEU

10th February 2013, 17:42

:facepalm:

It's alright Smokey, one day you'll earn grown-up wages.

Even with a reasonable income, the majority of people in NZ still struggle to get by financially and don't have large wads of cash to blow just for the sake of it.

Madness

10th February 2013, 17:43

You are clearly a hypocrite. On one hand you slam people for shopping on he web from overseas. Then you admit that you do the same.

You got a link to that, Einstein?

When are you fuckwits going to realise it's not just about motorcycle shops?

:facepalm:

Madness

10th February 2013, 17:44

Even with a reasonable income, the majority of people in NZ still struggle to get by financially and don't have large wads of cash to blow just for the sake of it.

Yes, and the same applies to those (few) remaining in the motorcycle retail industry. Never mind, soon they'll all be on the dole & we won't need to worry about them any more, eh?

:facepalm:

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 17:47

Consumers are lazy, and now with the internet we're getting lazier. Courier to the door on parts not requiring any after sales service or presales knowledge is quite handy. Most bike shops simply don't offer this in a cost effective manner.

However, all my gear/helmets/tyres/brake rotors/oil/filters come from bike shops.

The only ones really winning are the courier companies. Bike shops should shift direction. I'd buy something if it were delivered by motorbike :laugh:

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 17:48

ducatilover

10th February 2013, 17:48

Yes, and the same applies to those (few) remaining in the motorcycle retail industry. Never mind, soon they'll all be on the dole & we won't need to worry about them any more, eh?

:facepalm:

I'm in for some money making if shops fall over, with servicing. However, I doubt that servicing will fall over. Retail is on a downward spiral though and I honestly don't think we can do anything about it unless we are prepared to spend much more money buying locally.

Digitdion

10th February 2013, 17:49

Even with a reasonable income, the majority of people in NZ still struggle to get by financially and don't have large wads of cash to blow just for the sake of it.

Exactly! And if we do have some money to blow on the bike, in a lot of cases we buy from the cheapest source. Whether that be here in NZ(hopefully) or the states or Germany or where ever.
Some times we buy from the not the cheapest source.
At the end of the day it's a free world, and we can do buy from where ever we chose.

Madness

10th February 2013, 17:53

Retail is on a downward spiral though and I honestly don't think we can do anything about it unless we are prepared to spend much more money buying locally.

That sort of defeatist attitude is the problem in a nutshell. I'm not trying to win anyone over, convert them or even make them like me, couldn't care less. I give a shit about this country and it's people, who are only going to prosper if we support each other in the modern global world.

Fuck it, let's all follow the advice of our resident American expert. Fuck the local retailers completely, nothing but a bunch of cunts.

Where does that leave us? At the mercy of the Yanks, that's where.

Madness

10th February 2013, 17:55

At the end of the day it's a free world, and we can do buy from where ever we chose.

I agree with you. Send your hard-earned dollars wherever you want. Just don't come back crying when this country ends up completely fucked.

I'm still waiting for the link that proves me to be a hypocrite. Or are you full of shit as well?

bogan

10th February 2013, 17:56

Again, I don't see them bitching or moaning. I see them closing uo shop, permanently.

Great, when do you open your retail outlet? Otherwise that's pretty irrelevant I would have thought.

I still see plenty of shops, so I'm not at all concerned about a few permanently closing tbh. With the often mentioned overheads costs, halving the number of shops might well benefit the whole industry; may be a unpalatable reality, but its a reality none-the-less.

What I was getting at, is that other local places are competitive globally, so maybe its not all the customers fault that the bike shops are closing.

Madness

10th February 2013, 17:58

I still see plenty of shops, so I'm not at all concerned about a few permanently closing tbh. With the often mentioned overheads costs, halving the number of shops might well benefit the whole industry; may be a unpalatable reality, but its a reality none-the-less.

What I was getting at, is that other local places are competitive globally, so maybe its not all the customers fault that the bike shops are closing.

It's important to compare apples with apples. Hey, I hope you're right but it would be a bit of a shitter if you're not, eh?

zeocen

10th February 2013, 18:02

Madness is mad.

ducatilover

10th February 2013, 18:03

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 18:05

When something that doesn't require human sales intervention costs more than 50% online than it does locally, the first thing I wonder is whose pocket I'm lining so they can buy their xth house. The second thought I can't repeat without offending someone.

Then I purchase the substantially cheaper option online. Being smart with money isn't something to be ashamed about, being greedy is.

Madness

10th February 2013, 18:07

Madness is mad.

Far from it actually. I think I'm just getting old, once upon a time people took pride in their country and believed in supporting their neighbours.

Too many thick cunts don't read a thread in it's entirety to get context. I am not suggesting people spend money they don't have or go without, just suggesting it's time we all took a moment to think a little broader than just our own back pocket when we're sending NZD offshore.

My job's safe, how about yours & those of your friends & families? Wasiler clearly doesn't give a fuck if we all end up unemployed. He'll just fuck off home again to the "Home of the Brave, Land of the Mass-Shooting".

Digitdion

10th February 2013, 18:07

That sort of defeatist attitude is the problem in a nutshell. I'm not trying to win anyone over, convert them or even make them like me, couldn't care less. I give a shit about this country and it's people, who are only going to prosper if we support each other in the modern global world.

Fuck it, let's all follow the advice of our resident American expert. Fuck the local retailers completely, nothing but a bunch of cunts.

Where does that leave us? At the mercy of the Yanks, that's where.

In reality the modern global world is ruled by money and accountants. Most working class people work hard to make a living and enjoy there life how they chose. They do not have the luxury of buying goods for crazy prices. If they want those goods they will find a way to do it within there price range. Humans are cunning beasts!

The modern global world is exactly that. Global!

By swearing and cursing at other forum members you will not achieve your goal. Hone Harawira is a classic example of this. Always making a big song and dance about things, slagging people off, never far from controversy. And what has he actually achieved for the people he says he represents?

Madness

10th February 2013, 18:11

By swearing and cursing at other forum members you will not achieve your goal. Hone Harawira is a classic example of this. Always making a big song and dance about things, slagging people off, never far from controversy. And what has he actually achieved for the people he says he represents?

You're not much better yourself! Where's the evidence of me being a hypocrite that I've asked for three times now? You've got nothing at all, just a narrow-minded point of view that says "I'm alright, Jack". Cough up with some evidence of my hypocrisy or apologise, Twat.

I represent nobody but myself, by the way.

Fucks sake.

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 18:11

I'm very open to hear how we can work towards fixing the problem, I'm no economics or business expert (I'm a rally mech who polishes shit for goodness sake) :yes:
There are certainly (from a quick glance) issues on both the shop and buyer side of things

Problem is (if it's a problem at all), it's a buyers market. They're the ones with the (apparent) wads of cash to spend. It's the sellers job to figure out how to get that money.

My local bike store seems to be able to hire staff, give helpful advice, and are always busy (especially in service). They sell me lots of things, but even if I had buckets of cash to spend I wouldn't buy from a bike store that didn't suit my needs. Some other bike stores haven't been able to keep afloat - I'm not so sure that's a problem with the consumers.

Madness

10th February 2013, 18:13

I'm very open to hear how we can work towards fixing the problem, I'm no economics or business expert (I'm a rally mech who polishes shit for goodness sake) :yes:
There are certainly (from a quick glance) issues on both the shop and buyer side of things

Do you think if local retailers were turning over more product that there's a chance they'd be able to reduce costs?
Do you think if the costs were reduced and there was still competition, both locally & overseas that prices could come down?
Do you think that the problem could be partly a mindset of consumers and that small changes could collectively make a significant difference?

I do.

Digitdion

10th February 2013, 18:13

I agree with you. Send your hard-earned dollars wherever you want. Just don't come back crying when this country ends up completely fucked.

I'm still waiting for the link that proves me to be a hypocrite. Or are you full of shit as well?

I think you will find that it's people like me who contribute to many local businesses. But when it comes to the prices for a lot of bike related stuff in NZ. Well, with my income I have no choice but to buy stuff from overseas. The upside of that is I am supporting the locals courier companies who now do really well because of the Internet.

And I still believe you are a hypocrite.

bogan

10th February 2013, 18:14

It's important to compare apples with apples. Hey, I hope you're right but it would be a bit of a shitter if you're not, eh?

It is, but its also important to look into the differences, because the customers are the same. Tbh, I don't think it would be a shitter if I'm wrong either, what's actually going to change for the customers? Bigger picture, the economy might take a knock, or might not depending on what other work is around.

Madness

10th February 2013, 18:15

And I still believe you are a hypocrite.

And you, sir, are a fuckwit who cannot substantiate a claim yet doesn't have the backbone to admit being wrong, let alone apologise.

SMOKEU

10th February 2013, 18:17

That sort of defeatist attitude is the problem in a nutshell. I'm not trying to win anyone over, convert them or even make them like me, couldn't care less. I give a shit about this country and it's people, who are only going to prosper if we support each other in the modern global world.

Fuck it, let's all follow the advice of our resident American expert. Fuck the local retailers completely, nothing but a bunch of cunts.

Where does that leave us? At the mercy of the Yanks, that's where.

Those are some very valid points. But, something is seriously wrong if dealers need to charge $100 an hour labour and then charge like a wounded bull for small servicing parts that can be bought for 1/4 of the price overseas, just in order to avoid going bankrupt. The guys working at these places aren't rich either. That's a much bigger issue I really don't have an answer for.

Suzuki wanted to charge me $223 for a part. I bought it new overseas for US$20 including shipping. Fuck paying about 10X more, with the money I saved on that alone I can almost buy a front tyre.

Digitdion

10th February 2013, 18:18

You're not much better yourself! Where's the evidence of me being a hypocrite that I've asked for three times now? You've got nothing at all, just a narrow-minded point of view that says "I'm alright, Jack". Cough up with some evidence of my hypocrisy or apologise, Twat.

I represent nobody but myself, by the way.

Fucks sake.

Three times now! Got a link to that! Ha Ha

Madness

10th February 2013, 18:18

It is, but its also important to look into the differences, because the customers are the same.

What I meant was, please consider the nature of motorcycle-related parts & accessories. A huge range of product versus what in reality is a very small market. This is the reason why retail channels such as this are feeling the effect of private importation more than others.

Madness

10th February 2013, 18:20

I've got nothing, not even an intelligent remark, nada, zilch.

I thought so. Twat.

Digitdion

10th February 2013, 18:20

And to get back to the OP. I agree, ebay is good. Same with trade me.
A great platform to buy and sell. Gives the average person a chance to recycle there stuff that they no longer need.

zeocen

10th February 2013, 18:22

Far from it actually. I think I'm just getting old, once upon a time people took pride in their country and believed in supporting their neighbours.

Too many thick cunts don't read a thread in it's entirety to get context. I am not suggesting people spend money they don't have or go without, just suggesting it's time we all took a moment to think a little broader than just our own back pocket when we're sending NZD offshore.

My job's safe, how about yours & those of your friends & families? Wasiler clearly doesn't give a fuck if we all end up unemployed. He'll just fuck off home again to the "Home of the Brave, Land of the Mass-Shooting".

Yup he's mad.

Digitdion

10th February 2013, 18:23

What I meant was, please consider the nature of motorcycle-related parts & accessories. A huge range of product versus what in reality is a very small market. This is the reason why retail channels such as this are feeling the effect of private importation more than others.

Totally disagree. You can buy almost anything from the web. Are clothing shops for example dropping like flys?
What I see with motorcycle stuff is the wholesaler is raping the retailer , and subsequently the customer.

Madness

10th February 2013, 18:24

Those are some very valid points. But, something is seriously wrong if dealers need to charge $100 an hour labour and then charge like a wounded bull for small servicing parts that can be bought for 1/4 of the price overseas, just in order to avoid going bankrupt. The guys working at these places aren't rich either. That's a much bigger issue I really don't have an answer for.

Suzuki wanted to charge me $223 for a part. I bought it new overseas for US$20 including shipping. Fuck paying about 10X more, with the money I saved on that alone I can almost buy a front tyre.

I don't have an issue with that, Smokey. I do have an issue when people will bypass a local retailer who is ultimately in business to earn an honest living and to supply a service to his customers, all so they can save sweet fuck all, maybe the price of a cheeseburger. The only reason the importation is cheaper in many cases is that the goods are not being subject to GST & Duties. Some have argued that it's not their problem, it's the gubbermint; fine, until all the retailers have gone bust & then we're all left with no option but to line the pockets of Wasiler & his countrymen. It is our problem. What's next?

Madness

10th February 2013, 18:27

Totally disagree. You can buy almost anything from the web. Are clothing shops for example dropping like flys?
What I see with motorcycle stuff is the wholesaler is raping the retailer , and subsequently the customer.

Your arguments are about as intelligent as my shoe. The example you provide is about as clear as you can get as a brilliant example of comparing apples to elephants.

Got that link yet, or are you a hypocrite as well as stupid?

bogan

10th February 2013, 18:27

What I meant was, please consider the nature of motorcycle-related parts & accessories. A huge range of product versus what in reality is a very small market. This is the reason why retail channels such as this are feeling the effect of private importation more than others.

And what I meant was examine that in more detail, why does such a huge range of product costs so much more, I can think of no good reason other than the suppliers to the local business being assholes; but am open to other suggestions?

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 18:28

Totally disagree. You can buy almost anything from the web. Are clothing shops for example dropping like flys?
What I see with motorcycle stuff is the wholesaler is raping the retailer , and subsequently the customer.

It's the same way with bicycle parts too (Fox forks, etc). You still get people thrashing on about how people buying from online retailers is a terrible thing to do. It's the same in almost every industry. Hell, the biggest craze is giving our jobs to other countries because it's cheaper. Corporates do it on a much bigger scale!

Yet, shops exist.

.... :shit:

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 18:29

I don't have an issue with that, Smokey. I do have an issue when people will bypass a local retailer who is ultimately in business to earn an honest living and to supply a service to his customers, all so they can save sweet fuck all, maybe the price of a cheeseburger.

Mate, this isn't what the discussion was ever about (it was actually about me saying eBay was great). It's about buying online when something is unreasonably more than it should be.

I'd completely agree, if you weren't taking things completely out of context.

Madness

10th February 2013, 18:32

And what I meant was examine that in more detail, why does such a huge range of product costs so much more, I can think of no good reason other than the suppliers to the local business being assholes; but am open to other suggestions?

Economies of scale. A New Zealand distributor might buy enough swingarm bobbins for a year in 4 different colours. That volume might equate to something like an hour of the US markets demand. You're hardly going to get rich selling swingarm bobbins at the rate of our local market demand, yet the wholesaler & retailer are expected to carry all 4 colours. The margins at wholesale & retail level for these bobbins is never, ever going to be as high as it is with clothing. When as the last time you saw a motorcycle accessory clearance sale offering 70% off?

Madness

10th February 2013, 18:33

Mate, this isn't what the discussion was ever about (it was actually about me saying eBay was great). It's about buying online when something is unreasonably more than it should be.

I'd completely agree, if you weren't taking things completely out of context.

Alas, your claim that eBay is great is EXACTLY what this is all about. Don't be so sensitive.

Kickaha

10th February 2013, 18:37

. Are clothing shops for example dropping like flys?
Would you know if they were?

Madness

10th February 2013, 18:39

http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/shanton-receivership-sale-settled-5285238

Saved, by the skin of their teeth.

:facepalm:

Digitdion

10th February 2013, 18:41

bogan

10th February 2013, 18:41

Economies of scale. A New Zealand distributor might buy enough swingarm bobbins for a year in 4 different colours. That volume might equate to something like an hour of the US markets demand. You're hardly going to get rich selling swingarm bobbins at the rate of our local market demand, yet the wholesaler & retailer are expected to carry all 4 colours. The margins at wholesale & retail level for these bobbins is never, ever going to be as high as it is with clothing. When as the last time you saw a motorcycle accessory clearance sale offering 70% off?

Are they expected to carry them though? With so many buying overseas it would suggest the customers aren't will to pay extra for this extra service, so why do it? Is it that the profits made from the customer segment still buying local outweigh the losses from those going overseas perhaps.

Economies of scale doesn't stack up when you customers are privately importing in lots of one.

Madness

10th February 2013, 18:45

Economies of scale doesn't stack up when you customers are privately importing in lots of one.

Oh, but it does. When you're privately importing from a US based online retailer you're enjoying the benefits of buying from someone who's selling in a market 700 times that of N.Z.

Again, the retailers don't have to stock bobbins, or parts, oil, or even open their doors. They can all close up shop tomorrow & we'll all be better off for it, right?

God, I love America.

Kickaha

10th February 2013, 18:47

Totally agree!
Do you actually know anything about importing or retailing?

Madness

10th February 2013, 18:50

By swearing and cursing at other forum members you will not achieve your goal.

I hate to drop this on you, Princess, but I have already achieved my goal. People are discussing the other side of the equation, beyond the "I just saved $4.95" and those (not all) with sufficient intellect are thinking about the issue, if nothing else.

And as for the swearing & cursing, I don't mind that as much as a false, unproven accusation of hypocrisy. Each to their own though, eh?

Twat.

Robert Taylor

10th February 2013, 18:50

Oh, but it does. When you're privately importing from a US based online retailer you're enjoying the benefits of buying from someone who's selling in a market 700 times that of N.Z.

Again, the retailers don't have to stock bobbins, or parts, oil, or even open their doors. They can all close up shop tomorrow & we'll all be better off for it, right?

God, I love America.

You wouldnt love it if the exchange rate was at around 60 cents. The trouble with Americans is you can hear them before you see them

Madness

10th February 2013, 18:52

You wouldnt love it if the exchange rate was at around 60 cents. The trouble with Americans is you can hear them before you see them

I was being facetious, but you would have known that.

Robert Taylor

10th February 2013, 18:52

Totally disagree. You can buy almost anything from the web. Are clothing shops for example dropping like flys?
What I see with motorcycle stuff is the wholesaler is raping the retailer , and subsequently the customer.

That is a generalised accusation that I for one object to. Youve done your homework very thoroughly on this have you?

Robert Taylor

10th February 2013, 18:52

I was being facetious, but you would have known that.

I was being deadly serious

Digitdion

10th February 2013, 18:56

Do you actually know anything about importing or retailing?

Maybe , maybe not. Probably like most people on here. But yes I do have an opinion too.
I have experienced great service from bike shops. I have relieved absolutely terrible service from bike shops. I buy from New Zealand, and I buy stuff off the web from overseas.
I realize times are tough for many retailers out there. The ones that adapt will survive and do well when things stabilize.

When it's comes to imposing or retail. Can you answer this for me. Our dollar is high. A killer for exporters. But great for people bringing in goods to sell here. Why have the price decreases not been passed on to the customer to promote people buying motorcycle goods locally?
Vfr 1200s do not count.

wasiler

10th February 2013, 18:57

Oh, but it does. When you're privately importing from a US based online retailer you're enjoying the benefits of buying from someone who's selling in a market 700 times that of N.Z.

Again, the retailers don't have to stock bobbins, or parts, oil, or even open their doors. They can all close up shop tomorrow & we'll all be better off for it, right?

God, I love America.

Thank you, I love America too. Too bad these shops don't wise up and start their online business too. You have Kim Dotcom living here, you have the internet, use it. You have the same exact selling market as anywhere in the world. Just stubborn like a jack ass to use it. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Digitdion

10th February 2013, 18:59

Oh, but it does. When you're privately importing from a US based online retailer you're enjoying the benefits of buying from someone who's selling in a market 700 times that of N.Z.

Again, the retailers don't have to stock bobbins, or parts, oil, or even open their doors. They can all close up shop tomorrow & we'll all be better off for it, right?

God, I love America.

The wholesaler buys the goods from the manufacturer who is selling in a market way bigger than 700 times bigger than NZ. So why are prices so high here for a lot of bike stuff? Yes , I do understand economies of scale. But there is more to it than that.

Digitdion

10th February 2013, 19:02

I hate to drop this on you, Princess, but I have already achieved my goal. People are discussing the other side of the equation, beyond the "I just saved $4.95" and those (not all) with sufficient intellect are thinking about the issue, if nothing else.

And as for the swearing & cursing, I don't mind that as much as a false, unproven accusation of hypocrisy. Each to their own though, eh?

Twat.

Has anyone in this thread saved only $4.95 when buying from overseas? It's more like $495.

Digitdion

10th February 2013, 19:05

That is a generalised accusation that I for one object to. Youve done your homework very thoroughly on this have you?

So it is just because of economies of scale? What's your thoughts Robert? I fully respect what you have to say on this. Just no respect for madness!

Madness

10th February 2013, 19:08

Thank you, I love America too. Too bad these shops don't wise up and start their online business too. You have Kim Dotcom living here, you have the internet, use it. You have the same exact selling market as anywhere in the world. Just stubborn like a jack ass to use it. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

I was joking, but I wouldn't expect you to have gotten that. Yes, we have Kim Dotcom here but it's not all rosy; You're here after all.

Madness

10th February 2013, 19:09

Just no respect for madness!

Is that why you refuse to back up your claim that I am a hypocrite on this subject, or could it be simply because you're full of shit?

wasiler

10th February 2013, 19:09

Has anyone in this thread saved only $4.95 when buying from overseas? It's more like $495.

Avon Suzuki in ChCh: Leathers 1499.99

FCMoto Germany: Same Leathers $838+ $33 shipping

Difference 1499.99 - (838 + 33) = $628.99 Savings

Even if I factor in GST which I was not charged, that is still outrageous.

Madness

10th February 2013, 19:10

Has anyone in this thread saved only $4.95 when buying from overseas? It's more like $495.

Again, seeing as you're clearly lacking basic comprehension skills, I do not have an issue with somebody privately importing when they stand to gain such significant amounts. But it's not like you're much of a fan of details, or facts, is it?, Twat.

Madness

10th February 2013, 19:11

Avon Suzuki in ChCh: Leathers 1499.99

FCMoto Germany: Same Leathers $838+ $33 shipping

Difference 1499.99 - (838 + 33) = $628.99 Savings

Even if I factor in GST which I was not charged, that is still outrageous.

Yoi can always fuck off home. I'll even contribute to your airfares, I'm generous like that.

wasiler

10th February 2013, 19:15

Yoi can always fuck off home. I'll even contribute to your airfares, I'm generous like that.

Thanks, when I decide to head back, I will let you know. Since you are so generous and such a strong supporter of local business, why don't you pay me the difference and I will down to Avon Suzuki in ChCh and give it to them. Like you said, you are willing to support local business and you are generous. Not everyone on this site is loaded with money.

bogan

10th February 2013, 19:16

Oh, but it does. When you're privately importing from a US based online retailer you're enjoying the benefits of buying from someone who's selling in a market 700 times that of N.Z.

Again, the retailers don't have to stock bobbins, or parts, oil, or even open their doors. They can all close up shop tomorrow & we'll all be better off for it, right?

God, I love America.

And you're taking the hit for the extra handling and shipping etc... It accounts for a small discrepancy or increase which is probably around the number most of us would pay to enjoy local trade etc. But it doesn't account for those items massively marked up locally, which I would think loses a lot more local business.

Madness

10th February 2013, 19:16

Thanks, when I decide to head back, I will let you know. Since you are so generous and such a strong supporter of local business, why don't you pay me the difference and I will down to Avon Suzuki in ChCh and give it to them. Like you said, you are willing to support local business and you are generous. Not everyone on this site is loaded with money.

You're being a Jew again now.

BMWST?

10th February 2013, 19:17

So it is just because of economies of scale? What's your thoughts Robert? I fully respect what you have to say on this. Just no respect for madness!

economy of scale is only part of it.Have you got any idea of how much it costs to have a shop on high street with 10 staff?They people who work there will expect to get paid an ammount of money similar to you would expect to get paid.The man who owns the building expects to get paid enough money to cover his mortgage.The bank manager wants to cover the costs of his loans to the bike shop so that the bike shop has some stock.The distributor expects to get paid for the bikes the dealer has in his shop.The accessory wholsalers expect to get paid,and many bike shops cant buy there goods from any one BUT the NZ distributor....need i go on.its a very expensive business having a shop.margins need to be high to cover the costs

wasiler

10th February 2013, 19:22

You're being a Jew again now.

Look who is talking. The guy who is willing to spend my cash but not his own. What a hypocrite.

Madness

10th February 2013, 19:23

And you're taking the hit for the extra handling and shipping etc... It accounts for a small discrepancy or increase which is probably around the number most of us would pay to enjoy local trade etc. But it doesn't account for those items massively marked up locally, which I would think loses a lot more local business.

Thank fuck there's at least one person to debate with who has half a brain.

Take into account GST, Duties, stocking an item that could sit on a very expensive shelf (both wholesale & retail) for a long time, wages, warranties, etc, etc, etc. I'm in agreeance that our market is too small to continue to support the heavy costs of a wholesale to retail structure. Problem is though, are there enough retailers left in business with enough working capital to step up & take the place of the wholesaler?, I think not. We're more likely to see the wholesalers open up retai stores, which won't do much for either choice & competition in the local market.

Again, I'm not trying to convert the masses (of idiots), simply trying to provoke discussion & thought. Doing well on count one, count two is still subject to a judges decision.

SMOKEU

10th February 2013, 19:25

Thank you, I love America too. Too bad these shops don't wise up and start their online business too. You have Kim Dotcom living here, you have the internet, use it. You have the same exact selling market as anywhere in the world. Just stubborn like a jack ass to use it. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

That's exactly what I base my entire business model on. I import stuff for people who are too stupid to use a computer, and charge my own markup (even though the end product is much cheaper than buying locally).

Madness

10th February 2013, 19:25

Look who is talking. The guy who is willing to spend my cash but not his own. What a hypocrite.

I'm not trying to spend your cash at all. The less I have to do with you the better, so much so that I'm prepared to part with my hard-earned cash to see you fuck off completely.

Are all you Merkins this thick?
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Which one's your sister, the fat one, or the fatter one?

Digitdion

10th February 2013, 19:31

economy of scale is only part of it.Have you got any idea of how much it costs to have a shop on high street with 10 staff?They people who work there will expect to get paid an ammount of money similar to you would expect to get paid.The man who owns the building expects to get paid enough money to cover his mortgage.The bank manager wants to cover the costs of his loans to the bike shop so that the bike shop has some stock.The distributor expects to get paid for the bikes the dealer has in his shop.The accessory wholsalers expect to get paid,and many bike shops cant buy there goods from any one BUT the NZ distributor....need i go on.its a very expensive business having a shop.margins need to be high to cover the costs

Yes I do realise how much it cost to rent in high st. I live in Queenstown rent in shotover st( the main at) is the same as lambton key in Wellington. Crazy prices. Especially when tourism is struggling.

I understand its an expensive business having a shop. But if having a shop selling whatever.... Is not paying the bills and making some coin then it's either time to change, and adapt. Or close.
I would love to be able to buy anything for my bike down the road at the local shop. At a reasonable price. That its in stock. But That's mostly not the case in NZ. Can I change that? No. So I have to look at the other options out there.

Madness

10th February 2013, 19:33

I would love to be able to buy anything for my bike down the road at the local shop. At a reasonable price. That its in stock. But That's mostly not the case in NZ. Can I change that? No. So I have to look at the other options out there.

So you've given up then. Why not just state that at the beginning rather than spouting the shit that you have?

Found that post yet?

Robert Taylor

10th February 2013, 19:37

So it is just because of economies of scale? What's your thoughts Robert? I fully respect what you have to say on this. Just no respect for madness!

That is one of the biggies yes, in fact maybe 75% of the reason. But Id need to be typing for half the night to quantify all the other factors. At least all the ones that I can think of. As there are so may on here that are so blind they cannot see I really dont know if Ive got the stomach for it. Im going to watch my locally purchased flatscreen and pretend that there actually isnt a huge problem in NZ with businesses going under and people losing their jobs! The solutions to what is a HUGE problem are not straightforward.
Please understand that Im not being an apologist for huge price discepancies, I can see all sides of the story.

bogan

10th February 2013, 19:40

Thank fuck there's at least one person to debate with who has half a brain.

Take into account GST, Duties, stocking an item that could sit on a very expensive shelf (both wholesale & retail) for a long time, wages, warranties, etc, etc, etc. I'm in agreeance that our market is too small to continue to support the heavy costs of a wholesale to retail structure. Problem is though, are there enough retailers left in business with enough working capital to step up & take the place of the wholesaler?, I think not. We're more likely to see the wholesalers open up retai stores, which won't do much for either choice & competition in the local market.

Again, I'm not trying to convert the masses (of idiots), simply trying to provoke discussion & thought. Doing well on count one, count two is still subject to a judges decision.

Yeh I guess it comes down to exactly how much being a small market costs, I struggle to see why that cost should be high enough to make private import worth it (with the extra link in the chain, and shipping costs), but it does seem like that is the most in detail answer we can get to.

Digitdion

10th February 2013, 19:41

That is one of the biggies yes, in fact maybe 75% of the reason. But Id need to be typing for half the night to quantify all the other factors. At least all the ones that I can think of. As there are so may on here that are so blind they cannot see I really dont know if Ive got the stomach for it. Im going to watch my locally purchased flatscreen and pretend that there actually isnt a huge problem in NZ with businesses going under and people losing their jobs! The solutions to what is a HUGE problem are not straightforward.
Please understand that Im not being an apologist for huge price discepancies, I can see all sides of the story.

Yes it is very complicated Robert.

Madness

10th February 2013, 19:45

Yeh I guess it comes down to exactly how much being a small market costs, I struggle to see why that cost should be high enough to make private import worth it (with the extra link in the chain, and shipping costs), but it does seem like that is the most in detail answer we can get to.

The way I see it is that (within reason) it's the price for living in paradise. Unless of course you're a parasite who comes here from overseas then privately imports as much product as they can because the local retailers are all filthy rich, swindling rip-off merchants.

How much is the price we should have to pay to live in paradise? That's up to you in this context, innit?

Night girls, I've got a date with my bike & some bugs that need killing.

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 19:46

The average consumer doesn't give two rats nickles about economies of scale, they just see two prices and click on the cheapest one.

It's happening all around the world - NZ is unfortunately so small that many businesses are pushing shit uphill. It's difficult to be competitive when your target market is a tiny percentage of the population.

I understand some of the costs of business, and how much hard work it is to get things on the shelf. Not to mention selling it. Hence, I spend locally for the majority of my purchases. If only the majority of New Zealanders weren't on the line of poverty to give a crap.

Over it - we need more jobs.

Madness

10th February 2013, 19:48

Over it - we need more jobs.

And the best way to generate thise jobs is by keeping as many Kiwi dollars in the local economy. Thanks for your post, it's made the evening of dealing with fuckwits worth it.

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 19:53

And the best way to generate thise jobs is by keeping as many Kiwi dollars in the local economy. Thanks for your post, it's made the evening of dealing with fuckwits worth it.

Oh fuck off, not everything is retail :laugh: you need to think about the bigger picture. How many large businesses have you seen make absolutely stupid decisions, ruining jobs for hundreds of people. Your rant about motorbike shops is a drop in the bucket.

It sounds like you need to live with less money for a while. Maybe you'll gain some perspective.

bogan

10th February 2013, 19:56

And the best way to generate thise jobs is by keeping as many Kiwi dollars in the local economy. Thanks for your post, it's made the evening of dealing with fuckwits worth it.

Unless its just blatant gouging by the supplier, in which case either way is funneling profits overseas, so it might actually be better for the local economy to save buy importing, and spend the rest on lattes or strippers. I dunno, across the spectrum some would fall into either side I guess.

Madness

10th February 2013, 20:00

Oh fuck off, not everything is retail :laugh: you need to think about the bigger picture. How many large businesses have you seen make absolutely stupid decisions, ruining jobs for hundreds of people. Your rant about motorbike shops is a drop in the bucket.

It sounds like you need to live with less money for a while. Maybe you'll gain some perspective.

The motorbike shops being a drop in the bucket is my point exactly you dumb fuck.

And by the way you need to stop making stupid assumptions about the personal circumstances of others. Damn, I thought you had half a clue there for a minute. Go join the rest of the fuckwits over there.

Madness

10th February 2013, 20:02

Unless its just blatant gouging by the supplier, in which case either way is funneling profits overseas, so it might actually be better for the local economy to save buy importing, and spend the rest on lattes or strippers. I dunno, across the spectrum some would fall into either side I guess.

I don't think many wholesalers in the local motorcycle accessory market are multi-nationals, or even overseas owned. I've heard the latte argument before, way too simplistic in my opinion. Cunts will find a way to privately import a daily latte :facepalm:

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 20:04

The motorbike shops being a drop in the bucket is my point exactly you dumb fuck.

And by the way you need to stop making stupid assumptions about the personal circumstances of others. Damn, I thought you had half a clue there for a minute. Go join the rest of the fuckwits over there.

Your points have been shadowed by the fact that you've been throwing abuse at anyone with a different opinion.

I stopped listening to your points quite a while ago.

Madness

10th February 2013, 20:04

And I still believe you are a hypocrite.

And I believe you're full of shit. There is one major difference though; I can back it up, can you?

:no:

Madness

10th February 2013, 20:05

Your points have been shadowed by the fact that you've been throwing abuse at anyone with a different opinion.

I stopped listening to your points quite a while ago.

Doesn't bother me at all, Princess. Harden the fuck up, eh?

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 20:06

Doesn't bother me at all, Princess. Harden the fuck up, eh?

Tell that to the retailers :laugh:

bogan

10th February 2013, 20:06

I don't think many wholesalers in the local motorcycle accessory market are multi-nationals, or even overseas owned. I've heard the latte argument before, way too simplistic in my opinion. Cunts will find a way to privately import a daily latte :facepalm:

Yeh, it does rely on NZ having something worth buying, but of course if we don't have that, its not looking good regardless of what the bike industry is doing.

Well I think that was a reasonably constructive discussion :yes: time for other things.

Madness

10th February 2013, 20:08

Tell that to the retailers :laugh:

Jesus you're thick. You try telling the retailers yourself when there's none left.

Digitdion

10th February 2013, 20:11

Tell that to the retailers :laugh:

That's bloody funny! Sad but true!

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 20:16

Jesus you're thick. You try telling the retailers yourself when there's none left.

Not thick, just having a laugh.

I buy locally, for the exact reasons you're fighting for (just that I'm not being an aggressive prick about it), unless it's quite obvious that I'm lining the pocket of the 10%.

Now, instead of fighting on the internet, how about you figure out how to distribute wealth away from that 10% so the rest of us can spend it. Because buying stuff locally doesn't usually help there... who gets the lions share of the money in the end..........

Digitdion

10th February 2013, 20:16

Jesus you're thick. You try telling the retailers yourself when there's none left.

Madness, bloody hell, there will always be retailers. The question is what shape or form,they are in.
Change in inevitable.
Are you still wearing a mullet? Things change. That's what a lot of us are trying to get across to you. Retail is dynamic. Stay static and you may well get passed by the competition.
Whether you like it or not we are in a global market. That will only increase moving forward. It's called free trade. And for the record none of us set it up. You are talking to, and (arguing and abusing) with the wrong people!

ducatilover

10th February 2013, 20:23

Madness has a point, no reason to buy overseas on small items that you don't save much on. I buy my fork seals locally, and chains, brake pads etc.
But, when I can bring in an OE gasket set for a GN or DR for $9US instead of paying a shade over $100 for the same set from Suzuki NZ, I draw the line.
Or piston kits, big saving to import a NOS piston from the U.K, States or the land of cheap wages.

There are people importing stuff like KOSO and Trailtech gauges and selling them for double the overseas price, I think that's properly fucked.

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 20:26

ducatilover

10th February 2013, 20:27

Exactly. I'm not sure who exactly is arguing against this here.

I think Madness just got mad....

You're all cunts

(just helping the thread)

Madness

10th February 2013, 20:28

Not thick, just having a laugh.

I think it could be a bit of both, come on admit it.

I buy locally, for the exact reasons you're fighting for (just that I'm not being an aggressive prick about it), unless it's quite obvious that I'm lining the pocket of the 3%.

So let's not confront the issue head on and discuss it like adults then? Let's all carry on agreeing that eBay is great and we'll buy all sorts of stuff online and avoid taxes. Let's all watch the bike shops closing down, one by one until there's virtually none left. It's not my fault, Jack.

If you think I'm an aggressive prick you're a noob.

Again, if you're good with that possibility then just say so. Are we good to go without bike shops in this country?

Now, instead of fighting on the internet, how about you figure out how to distribute wealth away from that 3% so the rest of us can spend it. Because buying stuff locally doesn't usually help there... who gets the lions share of the money in the end..........

I've read this bit a couple of times and I'm not going to bother with it really other than to give it an F.

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 20:28

You're all cunts

(just helping the thread)

:laugh:

Wankers!

Digitdion

10th February 2013, 20:29

You're all cunts

(just helping the thread)

Classic! And hypocrites!

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 20:33

I think it could be a bit of both, come on admit it.

So let's not confront the issue head on and discuss it like adults then? Let's all carry on agreeing that eBay is great and we'll buy all sorts of stuff online and avoid taxes. Let's all watch the bike shops closing down, one by one until there's virtually none left. It's not my fault, Jack.

If you think I'm an aggressive prick you're a noob.

Again, if you're good with that possibility then just say so. Are we good to go without bike shops in this country?

I've read this bit a couple of times and I'm not going to bother with it really other than to give it an F.

Yes, you got exactly what I meant (wrote) from my post.

Guys, I'm not sure he knows how to read...

jonbuoy

10th February 2013, 20:34

I don't know if its possible to stop it. Supermarkets and shopping malls killed the butchers and bakers and high street shops. Online shopping is now killing the malls. Supermarkets and some even small retailers have adapted and offer online services. The biggest issue for a lot of people is convenience, trying to find someone who's interested in ordering that part you need for your bike can be difficult. A few clicks at home after work and the part is ordered and on its way, then you realise you don't want to waste your day off chasing your tail and just click the buy now.

Madness

10th February 2013, 20:42

Madness, bloody hell, there will always be retailers. The question is what shape or form,they are in.
Change in inevitable.
Are you still wearing a mullet? Things change. That's what a lot of us are trying to get across to you. Retail is dynamic. Stay static and you may well get passed by the competition.
Whether you like it or not we are in a global market. That will only increase moving forward. It's called free trade. And for the record none of us set it up. You are talking to, and (arguing and abusing) with the wrong people!

Sorry I've hurt your feelings. The bike shops that have closed down are not coming back, they're not in a dynamic state at all. Free trade, blah, blah; yes, it's all part of it. This is what it comes down to for me, like it or lump it. People are discussing the issue and for that I will not apologise.

Do you think if local retailers were turning over more product that there's a chance they'd be able to reduce costs?
Do you think if the costs were reduced and there was still competition, both locally & overseas that prices could come down?
Do you think that the problem could be partly a mindset of consumers and that small changes could collectively make a significant difference?

I do.

Dangsta

10th February 2013, 20:46

Has anyone in this thread saved only $4.95 when buying from overseas? It's more like $495.

Bought a Gibson Les Paul Silverburst overseas and saved about $1500. Did the same with a Gibson Les Paul Studio (worn maple) and saved about $900. Got a windscreen for my old bike and saved a couple of hundred. Buy all my Vans shoes direct from the States and save at least $60 per pair (I've got seven pairs so that's at least $420). Last trip, bought a State Contender fixed gear bike. Cost me $630USD and $35 in excess baggage. I can't even put a number on how much I saved on that one but it was probably my biggest saving yet. Got a few Brixton hats as well at $35USD so saved around $60NZ on each hat. If it was just a few bucks extra then no worries, I go local. I don't for a second feel guilty because there's no way I could afford to buy a Gibson or a custom fixed gear in a New Zealand and I wouldn't pay over a hundy for a hat or one-fiddy for a pair of kicks when I know what they cost in the US. That's just daft and I don't have that kind of cash. The only way I could have the kind of stuff that I do is by getting it shipped from overseas or buying it while I'm on holiday. Just sayin.

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 20:47

Do you think if local retailers were turning over more product that there's a chance they'd be able to reduce costs?
Do you think if the costs were reduced and there was still competition, both locally & overseas that prices could come down?
Do you think that the problem could be partly a mindset of consumers and that small changes could collectively make a significant difference?

I do.

I want references. "I think" is not a base for a compelling argument, it's a trolling ramble.

Madness

10th February 2013, 20:50

I want references. "I think" is not a base for a compelling argument, it's a trolling ramble.

I'm not going to bother with you any more, you're just a little ant.

Easily squashed, but hardly fair sport.

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 20:53

Easily squashed, but hardly fair sport.

Just like your credibility.

SMOKEU

10th February 2013, 20:56

This thread is like the gift that keeps on giving.

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 20:59

Back on topic - can't wait for this front fender from eBay, the most convenient and cheapest option I found for this particular item.

*Strolls off to the nearest local bike shop to find a helmet for the wife to be*

SMOKEU

10th February 2013, 21:02

*Strolls off to the nearest local bike shop to find a helmet for the wife to be*

Then when you find a nice helmet that fits, buy it online from the USA. Trololololol.

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 21:03

Then when you find a nice helmet that fits, buy it online from the USA. Trololololol.

Oh you.

I know how to ask for discounts, shouldn't be that bad ;)

307a

10th February 2013, 21:04

Second that eBay rocks.

speeding_ant

10th February 2013, 21:05

Have to say, this site rocks too: http://dx.com/

Check out their Cree LED flashlights.

Coldrider

10th February 2013, 21:18

I had the luxury of going to a local bikeshop to buy some kevlar jeans, advertised in the NZ bike magazines and this dealer is a agent, they had to order some in for me, fair enough they can't stock everything and anything in all the sizes, options, so, two weeks later, nothing.
I'll give the a third week, after that they can close down for all I care and i'll buy what I like, where i like.

ducatilover

10th February 2013, 21:18

dealextreme is a neat site
I use www.c2345.com for a bit of crap, the translations are fucked and it's not too fun to navigate, but it has more or less everything on it

Coldrider

10th February 2013, 21:24

Then when you find a nice helmet that fits, buy it online from the USA. Trololololol.oh and I want one of those yet to be released in NZ shoei GT Air helmets, same dealer has that agency.

Mungatoke Mad

10th February 2013, 21:48

And you, sir, are a fuckwit who cannot substantiate a claim yet doesn't have the backbone to admit being wrong, let alone apologise.So far you seem to be the biggest fuckwiT know it all telling every1 how it is will be or should be as you see it :yes:
well time to make my Flea Bay purchase fill out me dole papers & prepare 4 Y2K :corn:

Coolz

10th February 2013, 21:59

Another take on it is that by buying off the American sites we are suporting their economy. Which is a good thing as we all know what happens to us when their economy is in trouble.

Brian d marge

10th February 2013, 22:06

The inflexibilities of kiwi business. :-)
Times change , motorcycles are entertainment competing with video rentals and cheap jap cars
If u ain't doing track days or MX days or charity rides ..a few bikes on the side and if u are really lucky a workshop breaking even .......bye ,
Just a random thought , what do u want , I'll get it for u on eBay backed by my knowledge , I'll look after your bike , all you do is rock up and ride it

And that's just an idea,,,,,
Or how about I get the spares from Honda after a two week wait and add 40 % min to the Honda price ( actually very reasonable the spares book gives u the price)
And u can pick it up when it arrives if we ring u

Stephen
Go eBay ....

gammaguy

10th February 2013, 22:26

SMOKEU

11th February 2013, 07:15

DX is great. I buy my stuff off there and hustle it here. Got to love n00bs who don't know how to use a computer.

imdying

11th February 2013, 09:19

Better prices, better service, faster delivery, why wouldn't you buy overseas...

Let us deal with Madness' main piece of propaganda.... If we don't buy local, there will be no bike shops left. That is a fallacy. There will always be bike shops, as there will always be a market. Yes, that portion of the market might only be small enough to support one shop, but so fucking what? If that's all the market can support, then so be it. The weak will always perish. Those unable or unwilling to adapt, will perish.

The only people killing the NZ motorcycle after market sales are the importers. Their predatory pricing, unwillingness to even special order particular parts/models, lackadaisical attitude to delivery times, and blatant profiteering is what's making the dealer unprofitable.

Now according to somebody at the top of the NZ food chain at a (the?) major parts/accessories importer, this is being done on purpose. Apparently once they have killed off the local distributors (i.e. the local dealers, the people that push their product), they are planning to rebirth as an online wholesaler selling to the public. Apparently similar to what Australia have been doing?

ducatilover

11th February 2013, 09:27

It doesn't help that many parts department staff are dribbling fucktards.
obody in Palmy, or Pahiatua could find a fork seal for a ZXR400H1, let alone the retaining clips, even when I gave them a list of bikes with the same seal.

I purchased on line intsead (pyramid parts are useful buggers)

Really, how the fuck can somebody not find a part on a database?:facepalm:

Robert Taylor

11th February 2013, 12:34

307a

11th February 2013, 16:52

My business does not fall into that category ( Im an importer ) Wholesale is slowly becoming the new retail with many products because that is about the only way now that many products can compete locally. Many distributors would like to have much healthier balance sheets than they currently have, I can assure you.

Hi Robert, please explain to me why we need retail. I have thought for a very long time now that there are just to many people in the supply chain.

Robert Taylor

11th February 2013, 17:05

Hi Robert, please explain to me why we need retail. I have thought for a very long time now that there are just to many people in the supply chain.

Largely I will pass on that subject as plenty of people on here will get bitter and twisted. This is a sensitive subject because MANY ORDINARY PEOPLE LIVES ( including many that inhabit this forum ) will earn their living from many retail industries. One justification is being able to go down to your local store for parts and service, rather than up to many hundreds of kilometres away. In any event this is becoming more of a reality with accessing many forms of specialised service. People will just have to get used to that. Take BMW dealers for instance, you have to have a huge and costly inventory in test equipment to be one, and to be able to service the bikes properly. Given that we only have about 4 million people ( and seemingly at least half on welfare ) there are very few BMW dealers, so you have to travel for service. Thats just the way it is.

2SMOK

11th February 2013, 20:40

In my experience some of these small businesses are doing themselves out of business with the utterly terrible service, or even non existent service when you visit their premises.

I bought all my riding gear from Avon City Suzuki. I could have saved over $500 (or even more if I somehow managed to not get stung with GST from customs) by getting it from Sportbiketrack or Revzilla or some other outfit, but I didn't because the guys at the local shop took their time to fit me out with the best gear for me. These guys obviously realise that they won't ever match the price from the online retailer, so have to work 110% on customer service in the shop.

Oakie

11th February 2013, 21:42

Wil_K

11th February 2013, 21:57

Ordered some front discs for my NSR recently. Ended up getting them from Oz for $200 less than here after shipping, and paying Australian GST, which they wouldn't deduct. The discs are made by Metalgear, an Australian company, they are distributed here as well. They retail on the Metalgear website for $150 AUD inc GST. You would think at most they could retail here for maybe $200-250, but no, they're $317. I do have sympathy for the retailers trying to earn an honest living, but so am I, and I'm going to take advantage of a saving like that.

I also have to agree with what others have said. Being that retailers must adapt to changing times. There are some out there who already have. MotoXparts for example. If you factor in shipping, their prices are actually as good as buying from overseas.

speeding_ant

12th February 2013, 07:42

speeding_ant

12th February 2013, 11:32

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10864860

Definitely all doom and gloom for retailers...

imdying

12th February 2013, 11:47

I can understand the disks. If you import the wrong ones you've got hassles (finding one for a hornet 250 wasn't easy). If the bike shop does, they deal with the cock up. The extra $100 in the case was worth it for me. For some it may not be I guess :)Yeah, I think of it as a stupidity tax... i.e. you would have to be fuckin stupid to order ones with the wrong dimensions.

speeding_ant

12th February 2013, 12:41

Yeah, I think of it as a stupidity tax... i.e. you would have to be fuckin stupid to order ones with the wrong dimensions.

Suits me to a t :pinch:

That and metalgear refused to send me a rotor directly :no:

ducatilover

12th February 2013, 12:42

I can understand the disks. If you import the wrong ones you've got hassles (finding one for a hornet 250 wasn't easy). If the bike shop does, they deal with the cock up. The extra $100 in the case was worth it for me. For some it may not be I guess :)

Hornet 250 disks are easy and super cheap overseas :yes:

speeding_ant

12th February 2013, 15:24

Hornet 250 disks are easy and super cheap overseas :yes:

You need to open a bike shop ;)

Digitdion

12th February 2013, 19:50

Largely I will pass on that subject as plenty of people on here will get bitter and twisted. This is a sensitive subject because MANY ORDINARY PEOPLE LIVES ( including many that inhabit this forum ) will earn their living from many retail industries. One justification is being able to go down to your local store for parts and service, rather than up to many hundreds of kilometres away. In any event this is becoming more of a reality with accessing many forms of specialised service. People will just have to get used to that. Take BMW dealers for instance, you have to have a huge and costly inventory in test equipment to be one, and to be able to service the bikes properly. Given that we only have about 4 million people ( and seemingly at least half on welfare ) there are very few BMW dealers, so you have to travel for service. Thats just the way it is.

What a beautiful answer Robert. You should be a politician.