Bike vs Sheep, Masterton 19/01/2013

[jimbo_on_travels]

Hi everyone,

I thought it would be good to finally post in here after a long time lurking now that my typing and writing ability has improved.

I'm the guy from this article on stuff --> http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8210044/Motorcyclist-has-close-shave-in-grisly-accident

I have gone over the incident in my head hundreds of times and looked at it from every possible angle (including Katman perspective) and can honestly say I was doing absolutely nothing wrong. I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. The only thing I can take away from this is to not go down the back roads of Wairarapa anymore and just stick to the cafes. I don't want to ever repeat my stay in hospital.

To summarise the accident; I was with a group of 4 other riders and was heading out to Masterton via backroads, when a large sheep darted out in front of me from the long grass at the side of the road. I never saw it and never braked. I took the sheep's head clean off and as a consequence went over the handlebars and slid down the road for 100m on my front and knocked out for 3mins. My 2009 R1 (loved that bike) carried on into a culvert before flipping end over end into a paddock. I have no memory of the accident other than turning left at Wainuioru and next waking up in hospital strapped to a neckboard. 4 days in hospital and I came out with bruised intestines, dislocated left thumb, chipped bone in right ankle and concussion. My gear saved my life (+ incredible luck and guardian angel); out of the group I think I was the only one wearing full leathers and a separate back / chest protector (Icon Field Armour). My leather jacket rode up in the slide, but the Armour took the hit and saved me from further injury. The previous day I had been to Motorad and bought an Arai RX7 GP helmet for $1000 - turned out to be the best investment I've ever made. It was the first helmet that actually fitted me in all my years of riding.

I've attached pics including the crash damage pics and gear pics (plus one pic in all her glory). It is my view that good gear gives you a fighting chance at sticking around; hopefully this post might convince others too. I'd also like to say that after reading the trauma that Katiepie went through a couple of years back, her event completely changed how I approached riding and my view of gear too.

[Xsannz]

Wow.

Insane amount of damage.

Glad your ok.

[Dragon]

I was out on the ride aniversery day same roads and was warned about sheep in regards to your accident good to hear your ok, we had sheep run out on us as well.

There is risk involved with riding anywhere hope you have a quick recovery and are out riding again when your ready :)

I still need to get a back protector and sort out the zips that join my jacket and pants :s

[Asher]

Interesting story, defiantly shows what good gear can do.

I did however find it interesting that the article says you were riding a powerful bike and suggests you were speeding. The writer and farmer obviously couldn't understand that a bike going 100kmh could cut through a sheep.

I wonder if the farmer found and hid the head to make him immune from any possible charges of having sheep loose on the road.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Interesting story, defiantly shows what good gear can do.

I did however find it interesting that the article says you were riding a powerful bike and suggests you were speeding. The writer and farmer obviously couldn't understand that a bike going 100kmh could cut through a sheep.

I wonder if the farmer found and hid the head to make him immune from any possible charges of having sheep loose on the road.

the farmer is probably skull fucking it as we speak.

and you Mr Rider were going 100kph. if that was the speed limit. Until SCU or someone proves otherwise.

Then deny till you die.

Hopefully it hasn't turned you into a vegetarian. Lamb is very good value at the moment.

[Devil]

How the hell did you slide down the road for 100m if you were doing anything even remotely near the speed limit?
How? Seriously.

[duckonin]

To take the head off a sheep you must of been low flying. To kill it yes, after hitting it, but the other to remove it's head !!!!!!!!:facepalm:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sorry to hear of your accident. Never nice. I have an email I'd like to share regarding roads over that way...

Hi Pete,

Thanks for offering to get the word out about slowing it down through Gladstone in the Wairarapa. I think we all know there are some great roads - BUT - it's not safe to race up and down them. There are horses, kids, stock, pets, people, farm vehicles - you name it. Everybody is getting angry about the number of bikes belting up the straights because they are, quite honestly, frightened about the consequences. We are all turning into angry fist-wavers over here : )

Now we are really grateful for the fact that you are all courteous when you see us out along the road or on foot with our large furry mates - but what we need everyone to realise is that we are there behind - and affected by the crazy noise - even when you dont see us. Also you need to realise that vehicles, and trucks floats containing horses are going in and out of the drive several times a day. It woudnt take much of a screw-up for someone to end up in bits under one of those vehicles. It would be hideous. We at the riding school are so frustrated by the people that wind it up going past the yard - the backfiring alone is terrifying for horses and the people that are handling them. Imagine a 6-year old child sitting on a pony startled by that. not cool.

Pleeeeease, dont wind it up past our homes and businesses. It's awful. I imagine, if you put yourself in our position, there's not a single one of us that would accept a bunch of vehicles doing that up and down the suburban street we live on...we be out there to sort it out in a second.

On a positive note - THANK YOU to the many people who slowed to pass the gate on Waitangi Day. I was there early preparing a horse for travel, and I heard bike after bike slow quite dramatically when they saw our sign. Hugely appreciated, and it didnt go unnoticed. ..maybe we could work on slowing down a little before that, and accelarating out a little more..conservatively - the property runs along the roadsides for a quite a way - almost to the Millars road corner you see.

Thanks and best regards,

Maggie, and the owners, grazers, and clients of Panorama Equestrian Centre, Longbush Road, Gladstone.

[unstuck]

Best sheep exploding episode I have seen would be when, I think it was Carlos Sainz hit a sheep in the Rally of NZ. Fuck that was cool.:devil2::Punk::Punk:

[Grizzo]

Best sheep exploding episode I have seen would be when, I think it was Carlos Sainz hit a sheep in the Rally of NZ. Fuck that was cool.:devil2::Punk::Punk:


The Red Mist!:sick:

[oneofsix]

How the hell did you slide down the road for 100m if you were doing anything even remotely near the speed limit?
How? Seriously.


To take the head off a sheep you must of been low flying. To kill it yes, after hitting it, but the other to remove it's head !!!!!!!!:facepalm:

Interesting questions and I will admit to not knowing the answers but I do suspect they show a general misconception about speed and crashes. Most crashes the happen "at 100k" the collision occurs at somewhat less than the stated speed whereas in this case there was no slowing so the rider was thrown down the road at 100k, if he had been accelerating then the energy would have been greater than if he was doing a steady 100k. Also hit correctly with the energy in a largish bike plus rider doing 100k over the relatively small area of a front tyre knocking the head off the sheep would seem possible if a bit unexpected.

It will be interesting to see what SCU have to say.

[unstuck]

The Red Mist!:sick:

Thats the one.:2thumbsup

[Crasherfromwayback]

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It will be interesting to see what SCU have to say.

Well I can say I was stupid enough as a youngin to part company with my GPZ1100 @ around 180kph. I went around 150m on my arse/side...the bike went 185m. The police estimated my speed at around 160-180 kph. I was impressed, though very sore and missing a lot of meat and a broken wrist. Just wearing jeans and a leather jacket of poor quality . All I could afford back then. Twas on coarse chip in the dry.

[jimbo_on_travels]

Thanks Pete for the email. I'll fwd that onto the Wellington based FB groups and BRONZ / Byron as well.

I've since bought a house with the insurance money (probably safer for me than getting another R1) and will keep my remaining R6 for runs to cafes and possibly Manfeild when I'm 100%. Still need new gear though :/

[Crasherfromwayback]

Thanks Pete for the email. I'll fwd that onto the Wellington based FB groups and BRONZ / Byron as well.

I've since bought a house with the insurance money (probably safer for me than getting another R1) and will keep my remaining R6 for runs to cafes and possibly Manfeild when I'm 100%. Still need new gear though :/

Good on ya for sharing the email mate. No one would like the concience of getting a youngin squashed by a scared horse.

[Katman]

I have gone over the incident in my head hundreds of times and looked at it from every possible angle (including Katman perspective) and can honestly say I was doing absolutely nothing wrong.

Sounds familiar.

Perhaps you should think harder.

[sugilite]

Another thing for people to realize is when it gets dry, many more sheep will escape their paddocks to get to the greener grass on the road side. And before some people wag the finger at farmers, it is not always under their control what the bloody sheep do. I have witnessed a few sheep near my place wiggle their way through 3 fences in less than 2 minutes on their way to greener grass down by the river, and those fences were in good order, not all sheep are dumb.
I came up the back way from Masterton to my place near Dannevirke last Sunday and saw an easy 30+ sheep dotted on the road/side along the way. I got it on camera as I'm making a few motorcycle safety videos covering hazards found on rural roads. I used to be a sport bike riding city slicker, and now I'm a sport bike riding country bumpkin of 13 years, I can confirm that rural roads are anything but safe.

[Deano]

Vicki (Flame) and I have seen first hand what happens when a sheep gets run over by a Ducati 999 at approx 100kph.

Disembowlment. Not pretty !

The sheep went under the front wheel and got caught up in the front mudguard and fairing before being spat back out.

[munster]

How the hell did you slide down the road for 100m if you were doing anything even remotely near the speed limit? How? Seriously.


To take the head off a sheep you must of been low flying. To kill it yes, after hitting it, but the other to remove it's head !!!!!!!!:facepalm:

Both of these sound like a perfect Mythbusters Episode to me :msn-wink:

[Akzle]

fuck i hate sheep.

had one running beside the ute once. it took a dive underneath it. zero damage to the ute, this dumb fucking thing put it's head stright under my front wheel.

didn't quite kill the fucker, so i had to back up and have another go. :no:

i guess the moral of the story is, sheep are fucking dumb.

[Brian d marge]

Well I can say I was stupid enough as a youngin to part company with my GPZ1100 @ around 180kph. I went around 150m on my arse/side...the bike went 185m. The police estimated my speed at around 160-180 kph. I was impressed, though very sore and missing a lot of meat and a broken wrist. Just wearing jeans and a leather jacket of poor quality . All I could afford back then. Twas on coarse chip in the dry.

Ya beat me , mine was 160 jeans and leather jacket ....
Still have the jacket

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

fuck i hate sheep.

had one running beside the ute once. it took a dive underneath it. zero damage to the ute, this dumb fucking thing put it's head stright under my front wheel.

didn't quite kill the fucker, so i had to back up and have another go. :no:

i guess the moral of the story is, sheep are fucking dumb.
They are voters too and have rights

Stephen

[nzmikey]

the farmer is probably skull fucking it as we speak.

:killingme.........

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ya beat me , mine was 160 jeans and leather jacket ....
Still have the jacket

Stephen

I'm still picking gravel out of my arms some 28 years later...

[ducatilover]

Good to see you're okay dude.
I know the roads in this area very well, and I've had my fair share (hehe pun) of close calls with our woolen buddies.
Don't get put off them though (my awesome roads)

If anybody claims you can see a wooly wanker in most of the grass in the area, they're idiots and probably from Auckland. :yes:

And yes HenryDC, we've all had turns around here with the fleshy head, 'twas fantastic

[ducatilover]

How the hell did you slide down the road for 100m if you were doing anything even remotely near the speed limit?
How? Seriously.

I've done near 200m... :innocent: and through a farm fence

[duckonin]

Interesting questions and I will admit to not knowing the answers but I do suspect they show a general misconception about speed and crashes. Most crashes the happen "at 100k" the collision occurs at somewhat less than the stated speed whereas in this case there was no slowing so the rider was thrown down the road at 100k, if he had been accelerating then the energy would have been greater than if he was doing a steady 100k. Also hit correctly with the energy in a largish bike plus rider doing 100k over the relatively small area of a front tyre knocking the head off the sheep would seem possible if a bit unexpected.

It will be interesting to see what SCU have to say.

I have seen horses hit by trucks at 100k plus two sheep hit by bikes at 100k plus.Cattle mowed over by cars Truck drivers good ,trucks really messed up. Motorcyclist's not in good shape their own fault. Bikes looked like shit. Sheep one dead other ran away. Cars normaly head to scrap yard and drivers to hospital. To lose your head !!!!!! Yep will be interesting to read SCU report, but then who is to say he/she got it right they were not on site. Theirs is total speculation.

[duckonin]

fuck i hate sheep.

had one running beside the ute once. it took a dive underneath it. zero damage to the ute, this dumb fucking thing put it's head stright under my front wheel.

didn't quite kill the fucker, so i had to back up and have another go. :no:

i guess the moral of the story is, sheep are fucking dumb.

As a single musterer years back I was heard to say the same , 'dumb fucken bitch' sheep that was. Boss came over told me " Nope your the dumb cunt if you think the sheep is dumb ". TOOK A NUMBER OF YEARS TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT. Boss was right. Life is the teacher.

[Brian d marge]

I'm still picking gravel out of my arms some 28 years later...

Half arse , Ive still got me head up me arse and its been up there for over 30 years

Stephen

Stephen

[HenryDorsetCase]

And yes HenryDC, we've all had turns around here with the fleshy head, 'twas fantastic

put it in a courier bag and send it to me when you're done.....

[matdaymon]

Shit mate, whatever the outcome of the SCU report, you're friggin' right, the gear would've saved your life. Bloody good reason to ATTGATT after reading this.
All the best on the recovery

[MSTRS]

I'm still picking gravel out of my arms some 28 years later...

Eeee oop laad, day don' mayke grarvil larke tthart now'dez.

To the anti- ATGATT brigade :finger:
It's like insurance. We'll never need it. Until we do...

[Reubix]

This post has inspired me to look at getting better quality gear - cheers for sharing your story bud. All the best for your recovery :scooter:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Eeee oop laad, day don' mayke grarvil larke tthart now'dez.

.

Thank fuck.

[kiwi cowboy]

As a single musterer years back I was heard to say the same , 'dumb fucken bitch' sheep that was. Boss came over told me " Nope your the dumb cunt if you think the sheep is dumb ". TOOK A NUMBER OF YEARS TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT. Boss was right. Life is the teacher.

ah ha quite often thought that when i was a young fella too now makes me laugh when i hear others say it.:Punk:

[Hitcher]

I love that stretch of road. Wind up from the Wainuioru hall through the nicely cambered set of corners, slip into third gear just prior to the 35kmh labelled bend at the start of the straight, hold a steady easy line through that at 100kmh, wind on the power to straighten things up. Then red line fourth. Red line fifth. Red line sixth. That gets the dust off the top of the tach needle very nicely. So I understand...

[\m/]

Sorry to hear about your crash mate, I had a similar experience with a dog in September last year. I only suffered a bruised shoulder, though much like your crash, I know that my gear made a big difference.

[GrayWolf]

Best sheep exploding episode I have seen would be when, I think it was Carlos Sainz hit a sheep in the Rally of NZ. Fuck that was cool.:devil2::Punk::Punk:

This brings to mind a 'work incident'...
One of our drivers was on the straight between Paraparam and Waikanae Heading to Waik'... this is a long straight with a 90km speed, ( NOTE: even in the dry we take a few hundred metres to stop), anyway out of the undergrowth a short distance in front of him appeared a few cows. (had gotten through the fence).. they seemed to head back towards the fence, but, as you'd guess, one decided to go the other direction and started to 'hoof it' along the track... Yup Cow Vs train at around 80km's. He stopped, notified train control who have the list of farmers ph numbers who have paddocks along the rail corridor. At Waik' Said driver recieved a call from TC, who patched the Farmer through..... Conversation was roughly as follow's

Farmer: Hello , I think you hit one of my cows?
Driver: yes, it was on the tracks between P & W..
F: OK, where is it exactly?
D: it's about halfway along on the left side heading to Waik'
F: Ok so its beside the track?
D: Nope, it's well clear of the track mate.
F:OK. so it's beside the track, halfway along... I'll get a tractor and move it, Is it still alive?
D: Nope I'm pretty sure its a goner, when I looked it was lying in the field on its back, feet up in the air, I hit it square on the ass...
F: Pardon?? Did you say it's back in the field?
D: Yup it's back in the field, i put it there....
F: you put it there?? (obviously a confused and a bit stunned farmer by now) how on earth did you manage that? They are bloody heavy, did a group of you move it???
D: oh no mate, I didnt lift it, but it's back in the paddock... it kinda flew there!!! Actually it looks a bit 'shorter' front to back, than it was before I hit it...

Seems there wasnt much said from the Farmer after that :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Road kill]

In 1985 I hit a lamb "6 months" on Highway 22 while doing 90kph.

I was thrown about 10 meters then slid another 10, the sheep was still alive after the impact but not very mobile and bleeding heavily from the mouth,,,,,, I killed it with a rock a few minites later.

I can see why some people might question the speed reqiured to take a sheeps head off an then slide 100 meters.

[rustic101]

This post has inspired me to look at getting better quality gear - cheers for sharing your story bud. All the best for your recovery :scooter:


IMHO - It's not just about the gear!!!
It's about our attitude and awareness when riding.

If the sheep was wearing HiVis there may have been a different outcome ;)

Glad you are ok (ish) no pun but speedy recovery :)

[Dogboy900]

Glad you are OK. Shame about the R1 though it looks a right mess!
I have been thinking about getting a chest protector... Might have to explore that one a little further.

[ducatilover]

I can see why some people might question the speed reqiured to take a sheeps head off an then slide 100 meters.

It all depends on how you hit the sheep thing and how you slide. And so what if he was going fast? That's what an R1 is for

[Ocean1]

It all depends on how you hit the sheep thing and how you slide. And so what if he was going fast? That's what an R1 is for

Don't think illegal speeds are required to explain a body traveling 100M. 100kph is near on 30M/sec, if you pitch over the bars and drop from 3M up you'd be a third of the way there before you hit the road, still doing 100kph.

There's been worse results from a bike's concurrent juxtaposition with sheep. My only related incident was during an enduro on a big Honda, bent the forks.

[Ocean1]

Sounds familiar.

Perhaps you should think harder.

You know fuck all, as usual, fuck off.

[BigAl]

You know fuck all, as usual, fuck off.

+1.

Bloody shame about the bike mate but at least you got out of it better than the sheep.

[Brian d marge]

fuck i hate sheep.

had one running beside the ute once. it took a dive underneath it. zero damage to the ute, this dumb fucking thing put it's head stright under my front wheel.

didn't quite kill the fucker, so i had to back up and have another go. :no:

i guess the moral of the story is, sheep are fucking dumb.
I've seen a cow half jump half crash through a fence and be in the middle of the road in a blink of an eye ,I was following behind the car, Austin allegro white , who saw his maker , came back to earth , poo'd his pants all in the same heartbeat. because of leaping bull.
Road positioning and the grace of god helps a lot

Stephen

Good gear , but you don't have to go spastic on the gear front ....

[carbonhed]

I've seen a cow half jump half crash through a fence and be in the middle of the road in a blink of an eye , following. Behind the car an Austin allegro white , who say his maker , came back to earth , pood his pants all in the same heartbeat.


This post should be breathalysed and then set on fire.

[bosslady]

This post has inspired me to look at getting better quality gear

Hmmm... ditto... as well as re-think the speed at which I am riding (yes, even on a ginny).

[Crasherfromwayback]

This post should be breathalysed and then set on fire.

He's obviously not taking his own advice!

[caspernz]

Yikes, nasty crash that one. Remember seeing that reported and wondered how long it would take before a KB member would report.

Most of the bikers in this part of the country will know the bit of road it happened on, and most will have been guilty of exploiting the opportunity of a generous twist of the wrist on that stretch...and I for one won't pass judgment on the speed question :innocent:

Good to see and hear you've survived as well as you have, good gear makes the difference :2thumbsup

But yeah, like the email Pete put up, lots of dangers on them Wairarapa backroads, so while I travel on them...it's at mostly sedate speeds...most of the time anyway :banana:

But the most disturbing aspect is you putting the insurance money down on a house :facepalm: you could have gone to see Pete to buy a Milwaukee tractor...that would make a sheep feel like a cats eye or at worst...a possum :clap:

[Brian d marge]

This post should be breathalysed and then set on fire.

that was typed out on an ipad , the spelling and grammar are from apple , no alcohol was harmed in the making of said post

Stephen

[Crasherfromwayback]

that was typed out on an ipad , the spelling and grammar are from apple , no alchol was harmed in the making of said post

Stephen

Try it again pissed then!

[p.dath]

I'm glad to hear your ok and recovering. You're going to be a bit of stick posting here.


How the hell did you slide down the road for 100m if you were doing anything even remotely near the speed limit?
How? Seriously.

At 100 Km/h you are travelling 27.7m/s. After 4s you're already past the 100m point.

[Brian d marge]

Try it again pissed then!

Not 12 oclock yet

Stephen

[Mushu]

I'm glad you're ok, don't worry about the katmans out there, we have all dealt with animals on the Rd and most of the time they get out of the way but animals are unpredictable and 0.0001 percent of the time they run straight into the line - this is where road kill comes from and is often unavoidable (over the years I've hit a couple of rabbits, a possum, half a dozen or so assorted birds and 1 unfortunate cat - all unavoidable, wouldn't wanna damage the cage. Luckily nothing big enough to cause significant damage and so far only bugs on the bike)

As far as whether he was speeding as has been said 100m at 27m/s seems pretty reasonable, and assuming he hit the sheep in the optimal place to remove the head with the least effort I doubt it would require much more force than what would be necessary to throw someone over the handlebars of an r1 shearing clean through and leaving plenty of energy for the slide that followed.

[Katman]

As far as whether he was speeding as has been said 100m at 27m/s seems pretty reasonable,

27.8m/s is with the bike actually being powered along.

If you suddenly shut the throttle you would not be doing 27.8m/s.

For a body to slide (or tumble) 100 metres after impact it would suggest a speed of considerably more than 100kph.

[R650R]

Don't think illegal speeds are required to explain a body traveling 100M. 100kph is near on 30M/sec, if you pitch over the bars and drop from 3M up you'd be a third of the way there before you hit the road, still doing 100kph.

There's been worse results from a bike's concurrent juxtaposition with sheep. My only related incident was during an enduro on a big Honda, bent the forks.

Plus one on that too. Probably vicously tank slap for a bit too so hasn't necessarily hit the road straight away. Remember that bike of Pirovanos in SBK or 600s that hit the wall caught fire and carried on the length od front straight with no rider. A properly weilded machete can take animal heads off so I see no problem with a 300 brake disc attached to a 160kg bike at 100kph doing the same task.
The forks aren't bent to badly either so that suggests to me his speed was only around the 100 mark also.
Crash dynamics are never an exact science, even the experts at places like volvo get 25% variations in like for like tests.

[bogan]

At 100 Km/h you are travelling 27.7m/s. After 4s you're already past the 100m point.

Unless of course you slow down while sliding :rolleyes:

Assuming linear deceleration thats 7.2 seconds of slide, whheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!


Plus one on that too. Probably vicously tank slap for a bit too so hasn't necessarily hit the road straight away. Remember that bike of Pirovanos in SBK or 600s that hit the wall caught fire and carried on the length od front straight with no rider. A properly weilded machete can take animal heads off so I see no problem with a 300 brake disc attached to a 160kg bike at 100kph doing the same task.
The forks aren't bent to badly either so that suggests to me his speed was only around the 100 mark also.
Crash dynamics are never an exact science, even the experts at places like volvo get 25% variations in like for like tests.

Damages suggested to me like it jumped, and the fairing/insturment cluster/headstock (in that order) took it through the neck. Would explain a lack of fork damage.

[Devil]

Unless of course you slow down while sliding :rolleyes:

Assuming linear deceleration thats 7.2 seconds of slide, whheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

I was just about to mention that part.

[Devil]

27.8m/s is with the bike actually being powered along.

If you suddenly shut the throttle you would not be doing 27m/s.

For a body to slide (or tumble) 100 metres after impact it would suggest a speed of considerably more than 100kph.

Yer, this is what is in my head too. The information provided to us was that he slid 100m, which would imply he's already hit the ground at that point. Not still mid slapper/on bike.

[oneofsix]

Unless of course you slow down while sliding :rolleyes:

Assuming linear deceleration thats 7.2 seconds of slide, whheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!



Does that include air time from being pitched over the sheep?

[Devil]

Only if you have reading comprehension issues with the OP.

[bogan]

Does that include air time from being pitched over the sheep?

Wasn't the claim slid for 100m? Not travelled 100m after impact.

[Asher]

But deceleration isn't linear, although I believe sliding that far and decapitating a sheep is quite plausable

[oneofsix]

Wasn't the claim slid for 100m? Not travelled 100m after impact.

now you are applying grammatically exactitude to inexact collision description. But air time would still apply because even if your "slid 100m" was actual slide time then you have lose of momentum during the airtime to account for.

[Devil]

But deceleration isn't linear, although I believe sliding that far and decapitating a sheep is quite plausable

No nO no! Dont suggest that he slid THEN decapitated the sheep. People will get more confused!
:lol:

[bogan]

But deceleration isn't linear, although I believe sliding that far and decapitating a sheep is quite plausable


now you are applying grammatically exactitude to inexact collision description. But air time would still apply because even if your "slid 100m" was actual slide time then you have lose of momentum during the airtime to account for.

Meh, best guess from the info at hand (which was originally to fix somebody else's half-assed guess), forgive me if I haven't made many tenuous assumptions and spend hours looking through text book results of SCU reports...

[Asher]

How good of a lubricant is fresh sheep blood?

[\m/]

How good of a lubricant is fresh sheep blood?
Oooh, kinky.

[skippa1]

did anyone measure the 100m? It seems to be a very round number. Also if the sheep took an immediate left turn(assuming it was approaching the bike from the left), just before impact....the bike may not have lost momentum so quickly so he might have been able to slide that far. It could be that the sheeps head was loose to start with and he just "knocked it off"?

[G4L4XY]

Oh mayn, glad to hear your ok!

Thats some scary stuff, lucky it wasn't a horse

I don't think oggy knobs would've saved that one :( Imagine if you had a gopro!!

[skippa1]

Oh mayn, glad to hear your ok!

Thats some scary stuff, lucky it wasn't a horse

I don't think oggy knobs would've saved that one :( Imagine if you had a gopro!!

lucky it wasnt 2 horses:eek: actually it is less likely that a horse would have been hidden in the long grass and jumped out surprising him by dislodging its head onto the road:rolleyes:

[G4L4XY]

lucky it wasnt 2 horses:eek: actually it is less likely that a horse would have been hidden in the long grass and jumped out surprising him by dislodging its head onto the road:rolleyes:

Unless it was a grass coloured type horse playing silly games. Or he was doing 300kmp/h in which case the horse could've been in full sprint across the road but at that speed would still have been surprising :P

[skippa1]

Unless it was a grass coloured type horse playing silly games. Or he was doing 300kmp/h in which case the horse could've been in full sprint across the road but at that speed would still have been surprising :P

It would be a careless camo horse to be sprinting with a loose head.....perhaps this is where the term "horseplay" stems from?

[Katman]

did anyone measure the 100m? It seems to be a very round number.

Perhaps he's just talking his accident up.

[Akzle]

fucking fysiks fagits.

[ducatilover]

Practical analysis?
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I managed this distance at 160-165km/h
Approx 200m says Google maps
But grass has a low co-efficient of drag, but fences do slow a body down prett well (no reccomended though)

[duckonin]

Practical analysis?

:( Really proud of the fact you are a proper cunt EH ? plus u should not own a motorbike costing us all ACC increases fucking idiot.

[tri boy]

How good of a lubricant is fresh sheep blood?

Not as good as a warm pigs head with the tongue still in.
Abbatoirs rock.:eek:

[Asher]

This how im choosing to imagine the crash (except change the deer for a sheep):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8phHeaZLVFI

Im sure a police investigation will prove me right.

[ducatilover]

:( Really proud of the fact you are a proper cunt EH ? plus u should not own a motorbike costing us all ACC increases fucking idiot.

:2thumbsup Should I just pretend I never fucked up?

[Ender EnZed]

Anywhere, anytime.

Speed cameras? Not on any of the good roads.

Fucking sheep.


To take the head off a sheep you must of been low flying. To kill it yes, after hitting it, but the other to remove it's head !!!!!!!!:facepalm:


hit correctly with the energy in a largish bike plus rider doing 100k over the relatively small area of a front tyre knocking the head off the sheep would seem possible if a bit unexpected.




I can see why some people might question the speed reqiured to take a sheeps head off an then slide 100 meters.


It all depends on how you hit the sheep thing and how you slide.

For the record:

I've hit a sheep at about 90km/h. I'd put my initial sighting of the sheep at about 15m, in mid jump from behind the foliage adjacent to the road. Initial sighting was at or close to full throttle, third gear on a ~100hp VFR750.

15m at 90km/h is 0.6 seconds, not a shitload of time when you're in the midst of assessing a corner 50m away in mid ride, but more than nothing.

That is to say, my reaction time will have played a big part as to what was happening on impact with the sheep. I'm sure I closed the throttle but I don't think I did any significant braking to speak of. I know I locked the rear wheel during the encounter but I don't think I actually heaved the front brake in to any degree prior to impact that would've significantly altered the weight balance of the bike.

Thick gravel is better on an open throttle with rearward weight bias, I assume the same applies to sheep.

The result of the encounter was one sheep (may have been an X-month lamb, I'd say 35ish kg) split in not-quite-half. I hit it pretty much dead centre. There was spinal cord visible right the way through and about 3cm of skin/wool by 1cm of flesh holding the two halves together.

The bike stayed upright and was was totally unaffected apart from a fair bit of sheep guts.

I consider myself lucky to have experienced this specific incident without consequence. Conscious decision certainly played no part in matters after the initial sighting.

[Mushu]

27.8m/s is with the bike actually being powered along.

If you suddenly shut the throttle you would not be doing 27.8m/s.

For a body to slide (or tumble) 100 metres after impact it would suggest a speed of considerably more than 100kph.

You're forgetting about how much of that 100m was spent in the air, which based on what has already been said accounts for a third of the slide from the riding position, and given how low a sheep's head is he probably got catapulted up at least a bit to clear the tank and screen and tumbling wouldn't slow you down nearly as well as sliding does. But even the distance stated is questionable op has no recollection of the crash so 100m is probably from the police report and I'd guess that he was found 100m from the dead sheep or the point of impact rather than how long he slid (how much gets left behind when leather slides down the Rd - all almost nothing in my limited experience)

There is literally no solid evidence each way to prove weather or not he was speeding but it's not just the katmans that are giving him shit, that stuff article makes the poor guy look incredibly irresponsible. I feel bad for him, he was just out cruising along with some friends then all of a sudden a sheep..... Then hospital and long recovery, insurance and victim to the stereotype (assumed guilt)

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[SILVER SUZI]

I'd say almost without a doubt it was the sheep's head that dragged him away from the bike, as a forensic counter measure. Then the head fucked off to avoid prosecution.:weird:
As for the bike, get yourself some Autosol, and some turtle wax. It'll probably all polish out.:killingme
Helmet's fucked though!

[cheshirecat]

Anywhere, anytime.

Speed cameras? Not on any of the good roads.

Fucking sheep.









For the record:

I've hit a sheep at about 90km/h. I'd put my initial sighting of the sheep at about 15m, in mid jump from behind the foliage adjacent to the road. Initial sighting was at or close to full throttle, third gear on a ~100hp VFR750.

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Yes but it was a VFR. If its anything like mine the thing seems impervious to instability

[jimbo_on_travels]

I didn't shut the throttle and I never saw the sheep. One minute you're out with your mates heading to a cafe, the next you wake up in hospital completely wired up not knowing if you're going to walk out of this. I have no idea what I did in the 100m, its purely based on what the people on the ride have told me and the police report; if I get the police report I'll post it for people to look at. I'm not a physicist, but there's a lot of energy involved when an R1 connects with a sheep; so that energy has to go somewhere. I also weigh 75kg not sure if that's been taken into account either.

Thanks for all the supportive comments, one thing that as a biker you never take into account with having an accident is PTSD - it can really knock you for six; even if you walk away with fairly light injuries - it can really tear you up inside.

If one person who reads this thread decides to go out and get a separate chest/back protector or decides to upgrade their gear to leathers, then I'm happy. Sometimes shit just happens, its how best you deal with it that counts.

[Katman]

If one person who reads this thread decides to go out and get a separate chest/back protector or decides to upgrade their gear to leathers, then I'm happy.

If one person reads this thread and realises that country roads can contain many unexpected hazards and becomes more accomodating of that risk, then I'm also happy.

(If they also decide to stop treating public roads as racetracks I'll be deliriously happy).

[cheshirecat]

If one person reads this thread and realises that country roads can contain many unexpected hazards and becomes more accomodating of that risk, then I'm also happy.

(If they also decide to stop treating public roads as racetracks I'll be deliriously happy).

And the local populace would cheer with you (and me)

[Ocean1]

If one person reads this thread and realises that country roads can contain many unexpected hazards and becomes more accomodating of that risk, then I'm also happy.

And that'd be down to them, and, as usual, none of your fucking business.

And, as usual, your happiness is entirely down to you, and you alone.

[Katman]

And that'd be down to them, and, as usual, none of your fucking business.

And, as usual, your happiness is entirely down to you, and you alone.

I like to spread my happiness around, Shitforbrains.

[Ocean1]

I like to spread my happiness around, Shitforbrains.

Nobody else wants it. Nor your borderingonillitteratesimilies, arsehole.

[Katman]

Nobody else wants it. Nor your borderingonillitteratesimilies, arsehole.

Really?

Nobody?

Fuck, I must be pissing off a lot of people.

[Ocean1]

Really?

Nobody?

Fuck, I must be pissing off a lot of people.

Really.

Nobody.

Nope, fail right across the board.

[Katman]

Really.

Nobody.

Nope, fail right across the board.

I think you might be just a little deluded.

Is the OP your rentboy?

[Ocean1]

I think you might be just a little deluded.

We did this already, I don't give a fuck what you think, it's not something you do well enough to bother about.

[Katman]

We did this already, I don't give a fuck what you think,

That's great.

I'm glad we cleared that up.

[Dave-]

TO THE PHYSICS THREAD!

I dont think 100m is that far, it's only 4 seconds at a constant velocity of 25m/s (which is near enough 100km/h)

Some of it spent in the air, some of it rubbing the ground and decelerating, then rounding.

[bogan]

TO THE PHYSICS THREAD!

I dont think 100m is that far, it's only 4 seconds at a constant velocity of 25m/s (which is near enough 100km/h)

Some of it spent in the air, some of it rubbing the ground and decelerating, then rounding.

TO THIS THREAD!

Try reading the discussion here first, its all been covered :bleh:

[Zedder]

And that'd be down to them, and, as usual, none of your fucking business.

And, as usual, your happiness is entirely down to you, and you alone.

That's rich, coming from a person who thinks Government has no right to be involved in your life but you certainly like sticking your nose into others business. Why don't you take a bit of your own advice?

The world and KB the way Ocean1 wants to run it...

At least Katmans goal is safety while you only have anarchy as yours.

[Katman]

At least Katmans goal is safety while you only have anarchy as yours.

Close.

My primary goal is to see a reduction in the adverse attention that motorcycling seems to be getting these days.

Focusing on safety/responsibility would appear to be the best way to achieve that.

[duckonin]

TO THE PHYSICS THREAD!

I dont think 100m is that far, it's only 4 seconds at a constant velocity of 25m/s (which is near enough 100km/h)

Some of it spent in the air, some of it rubbing the ground and decelerating, then rounding.

Flying through the air at half the speed of light and you say," I don't think 100m is that far." Well then go and give it a fucken shot then my boy, say try 150 metres, then get back to us.

Moron !!

[Crasherfromwayback]

try 150 metres, then get back to us.



Done that. Takes around 180kph and no brain.

[wysper]

Flying through the air at half the speed of light and you say," I don't think 100m is that far." Well then go and give it a fucken shot then my boy, say try 150 metres, then get back to us.

Moron !!

I think he meant that going as far as 100mts was not unlikely - not that he meant it was not far to fly/slide/tumble.

[Dave-]

I think he meant that going as far as 100mts was not unlikely - not that he meant it was not far to fly/slide/tumble.

I think sliding/rolling/flying 100m isn't entirely impossible if you started at or close to 25m/s 1m off the the ground. I really cant be fucked doing the calcs cause I have 14 trillion better things to do with my time (and bogan, reading another shit thread on kb is not one of them) but I might be wrong.


Flying through the air at half the speed of light and you say," I don't think 100m is that far." Well then go and give it a fucken shot then my boy, say try 150 metres, then get back to us.

Moron !!

You think a body can pass through air at half the speed of light and call me a moron? Stupid old fool.

[bogan]

and bogan, reading another shit thread on kb is not one of them

Its funny how you feel that despite being too busy to read the material, you still feel compelled to comment on it; is this ignorant arrogance what they teach uni students these days?

[Zedder]

Close.

My primary goal is to see a reduction in the adverse attention that motorcycling seems to be getting these days.

Focusing on safety/responsibility would appear to be the best way to achieve that.

Apologies, fair enough.

[Zedder]

I think sliding/rolling/flying 100m isn't entirely impossible if you started at or close to 25m/s 1m off the the ground. I really cant be fucked doing the calcs cause I have 14 trillion better things to do with my time (and bogan, reading another shit thread on kb is not one of them) but I might be wrong.



You think a body can pass through air at half the speed of light and call me a moron? Stupid old fool.

Bogan always backs up his statements.

Still waiting on your crash physics info for the thread a while back though.

[Dave-]

Its funny how you feel that despite being too busy to read the material, you still feel compelled to comment on it; is this ignorant arrogance what they teach uni students these days?.

Ok I'll admit, I didn't read the thread cause for some reason I thought it was only 1 page, and I didn't check the dates. bit of a derp.

Buuut because this is the internet and doesnt really matter I'll let your condescending nature slide.


Bogan always backs up his statements.

Still waiting on your crash physics info for the thread a while back though.

Zedder there was nothing wrong with the physics in that thread? go do some Australian road surveys you old coot.

[Ocean1]

That's rich, coming from a person who thinks Government has no right to be involved in your life but you certainly like sticking your nose into others business.

Where is it that you think I'm trying to tell anyone else how to manage their lives?

[Zedder]

.


Zedder there was nothing wrong with the physics in that thread? go do some Australian road surveys you old coot.

You were slagging off the explanation of physics.

I will be going to back to do some more geological and roading surveys shortly. Might even head over to some other lucrative (it means profitable) jobs as well.

It's always nice to come home for a holiday though.

Define old? You'll probably be really old before you pay off your student debt.

[lowflyn]

im from masterton and ride the back roads\goat tracks all the time and cant even begin to count how many time iv had to second guess a stupid sheep on the wrong side of the farmers fence . myself and 2 mates had to hit the picks 5 times on our ride of around 100km because of sheep and i think it was the same day and area of your mishap . if you ever ride our back roads again which i hope you do as there pretty swt when u"ve gota good flow on and the main roads boring as, be mindfull also of cows and random chickens :laugh: hope the body heals swt :rockon:

[SPman]

Also goats!



and Turkeys!

[ducatilover]

im from masterton and ride the back roads\goat tracks all the time and cant even begin to count how many time iv had to second guess a stupid sheep on the wrong side of the farmers fence . myself and 2 mates had to hit the picks 5 times on our ride of around 100km because of sheep and i think it was the same day and area of your mishap . if you ever ride our back roads again which i hope you do as there pretty swt when u"ve gota good flow on and the main roads boring as, be mindfull also of cows and random chickens :laugh: hope the body heals swt :rockon:

All sorts happen on them roads, I was having a spirited ride to Masterton from Alfreton a while back and a cat ran under my bike, it didn't hit anything, but some how got through between the wheels. :2thumbsup

[bogan]

Must be the east coast (jeez it's dry over there, poor buggers), came across two lambs on the road heading north out from danniverk on the weekend. Plenty of tall grass they could launch out of with no warning, can see how you could easily get into a situation with no warning or chance to scrub speed.


All sorts happen on them roads, I was having a spirited ride to Masterton from Alfreton a while back and a cat ran under my bike, it didn't hit anything, but some how got through between the wheels. :2thumbsup

Dude, a hedgehog could meander through your wheels on a spirited ride :bleh:

[ducatilover]

Dude, a hedgehog could meander through your wheels on a spirited ride :bleh:

:2thumbsup I'm an under cover latte drinking, tree hugging, handbag carrier.
Like everyone on KB.

[carbonhed]

Dude, a hedgehog could meander through your wheels on a spirited ride :bleh:

Gotta love "mates" :lol: bling forya.

[Xsannz]

just seen her go up on trademe...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-565659637.htm

what sort of frame sliders did ya have on her?

[Ocean1]

I remembered this thread today, as I turned south at Waipuk. Down the length of '52 I counted 18 sheep on the wrong side of the fence. I might have missed a couple, but in this instance they failed to materially affect my ride. I must say I was happy to see a lot of long grass had been cut on the roadside recently, it made for a more relaxed day.

[BigAl]

Wow, the oil filler cap looks ok, that's about all........

[Katman]

just seen her go up on trademe...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-565659637.htm

what sort of frame sliders did ya have on her?

100kph.

*snigger, snort*

[\m/]

And you never break the speed limit, eh Scatman?

[Kickaha]

And you never break the speed limit, eh Scatman?
He hasn't ever said he doesn't so whats your point?

[jimbo_on_travels]

just seen her go up on trademe...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-565659637.htm

what sort of frame sliders did ya have on her?

T-rex racing crash bungs from Dallas, Texas. Only $80 or so. Saved my bike at Manfeild CDMTC track day last year.

One more week in moon boot and physio coming along nicely :)

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[Dschubba]

Gee, you had some Baaa-d luck that day. Glad you ok!

[SVboy]

100kph.

*snigger, snort*

Ladies and gentlemen-I give you "THE TROLL".

[Brett]

Lol...you carted that thing bloody good and proper! It is absolutely rooted, bugger all to salvage. Glad to hear that you're reasonably ok though.