Good parenting?

[nudemetalz]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8294130/Girls-teeth-knocked-out-No-apology-yet

Okay,..so some cops accidentally knocked her teeth out and maybe that's not so cool,....but...

"Her mother Nicola Healey said it was the worst night of her life and questioned whether the officers responsible should still have jobs, ONE News reported. ‘‘I don’t think they should probably be police officers.’’

She's 15 years old, was at an out of control party and had drunk 4 vodka RTDs.....

Yup,..good one, Mum !!

[Nova.]

#yolo :laugh:

[yungatart]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8294130/Girls-teeth-knocked-out-No-apology-yet

Okay,..so some cops accidentally knocked her teeth out and maybe that's not so cool,....but...

"Her mother Nicola Healey said it was the worst night of her life and questioned whether the officers responsible should still have jobs, ONE News reported. ‘‘I don’t think they should probably be police officers.’’

She's 15 years old, was at an out of control party and had drunk 4 vodka RTDs.....

Yup,..good one, Mum !!

Of course it is the cops' fault. Parents should not have to take responsibility for their offspring, nor should they accept any blame when things go tits up :blink:

[Gremlin]

I liked how the host said she didn't plan for it to go out of control on the news this evening...

Really? Wow, I best it's the first out of control party ever! Bugger... I thought we had smarter people in East Auckland :mellow:

[Headbanger]

Sweet, Next time any of you get pulled up I'd expect if the cops smash your face into the concrete and fuck you up, Then you will thank them.

[Headbanger]

Of course it is the cops' fault. Parents should not have to take responsibility for their offspring, nor should they accept any blame when things go tits up :blink:

The parent should take responsibility for the actions of their children, and the cop should take responsibility for their own actions.

Having a uniform doesn't make handing out a busted face to a young girl a legitimate act.

[hayd3n]

had she stayed at home she would have nice shiny front teeth,:laugh:
acc will give her new ones anyway

[TheTengTheory]

Don't you just love how parents constantly talk with their heads so far up their ass they can see out their mouths?

I see too many people hating cops than running to them when they become the victims.

I still say cops should bear arms.

Remember...Size matters

[SMOKEU]

Yup,..good one, Mum !!

Everyone under the age of 18 should be under constant adult supervision, and when they're out of their parents sight they should be escorted everywhere by a private security firm. That would solve the problem, right? :lol:

[oneofsix]

Everyone under the age of 18 should be under constant adult supervision, and when they're out of their parents sight they should be escorted everywhere by a private security firm. That would solve the problem, right? :lol:

Why stop at 18? They are still teenagers at 18, make it 21 and put the age for everything (except military service) back up to 21. Bring back the 21st as their first party. Oh and whilst you are at it bring back compulsory military service. :mad: :eek:

[SMOKEU]

Why stop at 18? They are still teenagers at 18, make it 21 and put the age for everything (except military service) back up to 21. Bring back the 21st as their first party. Oh and whilst you are at it bring back compulsory military service. :mad: :eek:

What a great idea. I also think they should also wear lifejackets and full face helmets in public at all times, along with a bulletproof vest. Alternatively they could be wrapped in cotton wool, but cotton wool is so 1800s.

[oneofsix]

What a great idea. I also think they should also wear lifejackets and full face helmets in public at all times, along with a bulletproof vest. Alternatively they could be wrapped in cotton wool, but cotton wool is so 1800s.

Bubble wrap then if cotton wool is too 1800s for you. This should free up police so they can return to the beat two by two in their wooden tops and their main problem will be giving out directions.


:lol:

[SMOKEU]

Bubble wrap then if cotton wool is too 1800s for you. This should free up police so they can return to the beat two by two in their wooden tops and their main problem will be giving out directions.


:lol:

Don't forget to make the guys wear condoms all the time as well. Accidents happen.

[oneofsix]

Don't forget to make the guys wear condoms all the time as well. Accidents happen.

Why would they need condoms? They are not going to get that close to any females, that is part of the job of the "under constant adult supervision". As a teenager they shouldn't even know what a condom is :eek:

[SMOKEU]

Why would they need condoms? They are not going to get that close to any females, that is part of the job of the "under constant adult supervision". As a teenager they shouldn't even know what a condom is :eek:

I saw it on a South Park episode. Quite an old one.

[oneofsix]

I saw it on a South Park episode. Quite an old one.

Bugger I missed that one, truth is I have missed a lot of South Park but appreciate that their social commentaries are funny and most often on target.

[willytheekid]

Why stop at 18? They are still teenagers at 18, make it 21 and put the age for everything (except military service) back up to 21. Bring back the 21st as their first party. Oh and whilst you are at it bring back compulsory military service. :mad: :eek:

+1


14yrs I worked in and ran bars and nightclubs all around NZ...and we made one hell of a stand when they announced the lower drinking age.

We went to council meetings, DLA, LLA and police meetings regarding the rediculas age change.
We advised them that the liquor companys were now actively targeting young kids for there next "profit grab" with the introduction of RTD's and sweet drinks, and we advised them that if they lower the age, they will be selling the youth of NZ to these companys in the name of profit!...and at the countrys expense!

...we advised them that we allready throw dozens of underage drinkers out of our bars every weekend!, if they lower the age, we go from removing 18yr olds, to removing 15-16yr olds!

We even foretold the effects, more violence on the streets, less profit for the actual bars -As adults have JOBS!...and dont want to drink with "pre-loaded" kids, and we advised them of the increased police presence that would be required, due to the fact that removals from bars would increase due to kids lower alcohol tolerance..."they won't go straight home once removed"...."they WILL prowl the streets with there mates and cause hell!!"

At every meeting....we were treated like idiots who didn't "understand"

YOUR councils, YOUR govt officals and even YOUR police!! representitives ALL backed this??(Granted, the Police made a MEEK effort to say no...but clearly they had been told by there masters what to say and how to "look")
...they ALL saw dollar signs??...they ALL saw extra funding, profits and more....you could practically see them all rubbing there hands together over the "new sales market":eek5:
...money!...power!...and profit!...THAT was the primary focus during these "so called" industry advisory meetings pre age change...the decision itself was pre made!...they never wanted our advice, or experiance...they wanted us to join them...in the name of profit!

Sorry...your kids were sold!



I quit the industry I loved due to these age changes...I used to be a general manager....I quickly became a baby sitter!


RAISE THE AGE!...or is giving KIDS alcohol and more rights than adults working out?...Or shall we just give them hand guns at 20?...could speed up the process!



(I attended DOZENS of these meetings all around NZ....every-single-one the same!...."we ARE doing this...get on board...or shut the fuck up and stand aside!")

[Banditbandit]

Everyone under the age of 18 should be under constant adult supervision, and when they're out of their parents sight they should be escorted everywhere by a private security firm. That would solve the problem, right? :lol:

So .. how come you're out alone???

[unstuck]

Kids can leave home younger than 18 if they can support themselves, how would you supervise them then?

[Zedder]

+1


14yrs I worked in and ran bars and nightclubs all around NZ...and we made one hell of a stand when they announced the lower drinking age.

We went to council meetings, DLA, LLA and police meetings regarding the rediculas age change.
We advised them that the liquor companys were now actively targeting young kids for there next "profit grab" with the introduction of RTD's and sweet drinks, and we advised them that if they lower the age, they will be selling the youth of NZ to these companys in the name of profit!...and at the countrys expense!

...we advised them that we allready throw dozens of underage drinkers out of our bars every weekend!, if they lower the age, we go from removing 18yr olds, to removing 15-16yr olds!

We even foretold the effects, more violence on the streets, less profit for the actual bars -As adults have JOBS!...and dont want to drink with "pre-loaded" kids, and we advised them of the increased police presence that would be required, due to the fact that removals from bars would increase due to kids lower alcohol tolerance..."they won't go straight home once removed"...."they WILL prowl the streets with there mates and cause hell!!"

At every meeting....we were treated like idiots who didn't "understand"

YOUR councils, YOUR govt officals and even YOUR police!! representitives ALL backed this??(Granted, the Police made a MEEK effort to say no...but clearly they had been told by there masters what to say and how to "look")
...they ALL saw dollar signs??...they ALL saw extra funding, profits and more....you could practically see them all rubbing there hands together over the "new sales market":eek5:
...money!...power!...and profit!...THAT was the primary focus during these "so called" industry advisory meetings pre age change...the decision itself was pre made!...they never wanted our advice, or experiance...they wanted us to join them...in the name of profit!

Sorry...your kids were sold!



I quit the industry I loved due to these age changes...I used to be a general manager....I quickly became a baby sitter!


RAISE THE AGE!...or is giving KIDS alcohol and more rights than adults working out?...Or shall we just give them hand guns at 20?...could speed up the process!



(I attended DOZENS of these meetings all around NZ....every-single-one the same!...."we ARE doing this...get on board...or shut the fuck up and stand aside!")

It's quite sad reading about that WtK, but not surprising given the "masses" are the funding for everything.

The good thing about the alcohol reform bill though is the ability of the community to have more say in location of liquor stores, maximum opening hours etc.

It does get back to good parenting as well.

[Banditbandit]

[/I]She's 15 years old, was at an out of control party and had drunk 4 vodka RTDs.....

Yup,..good one, Mum !!

Yes ... and as soon as the kid said that someone is up for a charge of supplying alcohol to a minor !! (Possibly Mum ... maybe someone else at the party ...) Should be too ...

However, the fact that the kid had drunk alcohol does not excuse the actions fo the cops ... If the cop did it pushing a 15-year-old so hard they fall and break their teeth and have other injuries is not acceptable.

[willytheekid]

It's quite sad reading about that WtK, but not surprising given the "masses" are the funding for everything.

The good thing about the alcohol reform bill though is the ability of the community to have more say in location of liquor stores, maximum opening hours etc.

It does get back to good parenting as well.

:niceone: totally agree mate, the amount of kids in NZ with no real parenting applied to them is rediculas! (But it comes down to the fact that responcible people have 1.75 kids...unemployed & redneck welfare rabbits have 8+!...they are simply out breeding us, and the NZ working class is picking up the bill...and there kids!...and the mess!)

Unfortunately, the Reform bill is a joke!

...what happened just last year when we all voted and yelled for change to the liquor law (It was a one sided vote for gods sake)...the Govt turned around and said what?


...."you don't understand"

They just ignored everyone and did what they pleased...and what pleased there "campaign donating" liquor company mates!


As is the way in this country...MONEY! determines the law....the rules and Govt decisions (Not common sense or the voting public)




...cos we serf's don't understand!**

[Zedder]

:niceone: totally agree mate, the amount of kids in NZ with no real parenting applied to them is rediculas! (But it comes down to the fact that responcible people have 1.75 kids...unemployed & redneck welfare rabbits have 8+!...they are simply out breeding us, and the NZ working class is picking up the bill...and there kids!...and the mess!)

Unfortunately, the Reform bill is a joke!

...what happened just last year when we all voted and yelled for change to the liquor law (It was a one sided vote for gods sake)...the Govt turned around and said what?


...."you don't understand"

They just ignored everyone and did what they pleased...and what pleased there "campaign donating" liquor company mates!


As is the way in this country...MONEY! determines the law....the rules and Govt decisions (Not common sense or the voting public)




...cos we serf's don't understand!**

Yep, feudalism is still alive and well. However, serfs these days are more informed.

I hope this doesn't sound patronising and I don't know your personal circumstances, but if you can somehow become self employed or similar and get a good accountant who can get you some money back from the thieving gubbermint then you'll at least be fighting them on a different level.

The alcohol reform bill isn't a total joke though, you just have to keep an eye on what's happening in the community to make it work. You sound like that type of person.

[wysper]

Don't you just love how parents constantly talk with their heads so far up their ass they can see out their mouths?



SOME parents TTT, SOME parents.

I am a parent. I know my wife and I are a major part of how our kids grow up. Especially before school age. After that, there are a whole new bunch of influences.
Friends, teachers, people the interact with at extra curricular events. A whole new world is opening up before them and all of them know more than Mum and Dad.

We still try bloody hard to bring them up as good people, and know that a lot of their behaviour is down to us.

It is a tough job being a parent. A great job, but a tough one. No manuals, no redo's, that critical conversation you might only get one shot at.
Heaven forbid if it is on a day where you had a shitty day at work, or lost your job, or just weren't in the right place.

I am not excusing parents, but most of us are trying our best.

[clonak]

Bugger I missed that one, truth is I have missed a lot of South Park but appreciate that their social commentaries are funny and most often on target.

http://allsp.ch/l.php?id=e72 Season 5, episode 7. Funny as hell. also see http://allsp.ch for all the seasons.

[Zedder]

SOME parents TTT, SOME parents.

I am a parent. I know my wife and I are a major part of how our kids grow up. Especially before school age. After that, there are a whole new bunch of influences.
Friends, teachers, people the interact with at extra curricular events. A whole new world is opening up before them and all of them know more than Mum and Dad.

We still try bloody hard to bring them up as good people, and know that a lot of their behaviour is down to us.

It is a tough job being a parent. A great job, but a tough one. No manuals, no redo's, that critical conversation you might only get one shot at.
Heaven forbid if it is on a day where you had a shitty day at work, or lost your job, or just weren't in the right place.

I am not excusing parents, but most of us are trying our best.

Well said.

That's the problem though, there is no manual for being parents and anyone can be one.

As we well know, some people shouldn't be allowed to breed but if there's too much meddling by TPTB on the subject then there's a outrage about social engineering etc. Maybe (stirring it a bit here) all parents need to pass a test...

[oneofsix]

http://allsp.ch/l.php?id=e72 Season 5, episode 7. Funny as hell. also see http://allsp.ch for all the seasons.

Yep, on target and also refers to something subsequent posts have touched on and that is as kids grow parents have less influence over what they do and think. Also good kids can go to bad parties. But that is getting serious.

[Genestho]

There's a few sides to the story and we don't know them all as usual I suspect. And, apologies if I miss something here - I've missed all the coverage because I don't watch telly much these days.

The Teenager: I don't know about you lot but I was completely disconnected from my olds, they didn't know anything about my life.
If I wanted to do something I did, and was well shot of home at a very young age.

Moral? Get to know your kids and validate them so they'll connect with you honestly, teach them right and wrong and hope they think for themselves and make the right choices.
At 14 I was already at parties and bars, I just jumped out the window if I wasn't allowed, which I wasn't! (Glad at least I know all the tricks!!)

Sure, have boundaries and curfews and be firm and consistant from a young age, and consequences for breaking these. (Quite often I see parents give up the "fight" and give in)

However, teenagers are going to do what they want to do to push boundaries, include negative peer pressure and it's recipe for disaster.

There was a 14 year old's party down our street on Sat night - second one in a month, the parents were out.
The party seemed fine, over early no big deal, it's about give and take and it is Saturday night!

But, as they left there were cars everywhere, kids wandering around on our lawns (told to bugger right off by a contingency!) and dropping their empty drink vessels and rubbish all over our street - which the parents were made to clean up Sunday morning after words with them. :msn-wink:

Without a doubt - If the parents allow it to continue as the kids age - I can see it will all get out of hand, in quite a few ways!

The Police: They (media) say 500? odd kids at the party, hiffing bottles at them. The young lady was allegedly pushed down three times, three.
If she didn't listen the first time, wellllll...

Granted; Police should be trained to respond not re-act, it's a fine line I'm sure.

Speaking as a parent, if that were my daughter, there would be words and I would take action.

I'd want a full investigation at the very least. Police are doing a tough job but need to be accountable for this kind of behaviour, just like any other adult would be. Lots of lessons for all involved, there..

It's a tough one, I would be interested in what the investigation turns out, if there is one...

[Littleman]

So they pushed her. She wasn't punched or kicked. Certainly that's not her allegation. A push is reasonable under the circumstances when a breach of the peace is imminent. And certainly more than reasonable if she pissed them around long enough to be pushed three times. The fact she was drunk enough to fall over and knock her teeth out is unfortunate but not forseeable. Can hardly blame the cop for the lack of co ordination of the sweet girl.

[oneofsix]

So they pushed her. She wasn't punched or kicked. Certainly that's not her allegation. A push is reasonable under the circumstances when a breach of the peace is imminent. And certainly more than reasonable if she pissed them around long enough to be pushed three times. The fact she was drunk enough to fall over and knock her teeth out is unfortunate but not forseeable. Can hardly blame the cop for the lack of co ordination of the sweet girl.

If her lack of co-ordination was the problem or is her supposed drunkenness being used as a smoke screen? Sorry but when you invest power in a group you do also have to make them accountable.

Now if it had been a gang party I would probably be singing a different tune. :shutup:

[imdying]

I can't fathom why you'd raise a whore and then bitch about it?

Fifteen year old skanks drinking at out of control parties need to get used to dropping to their knees... what else is she likely to be good for? (answers on the back of a postcard to the usual address)

[Zedder]

I can't fathom why you'd raise a whore and then bitch about it?

Fifteen year old skanks drinking at out of control parties need to get used to dropping to their knees... what else is she likely to be good for? (answers on the back of a postcard to the usual address)

What are the prizes?

[Drew]

15 and drinking. I'd want more proof than other 15 year old witnesses that she wasn't pushed by another kid/party goer.

Wouldn't trust the word of the kid if my life depended on it. If it were my daughter, I would seriously interrogate her and try to trip her up in her own story before I blamed the cops.

If she convinced me though, fuck would I scream blue murder.

[Banditbandit]

15 and drinking. I'd want more proof than other 15 year old witnesses that she wasn't pushed by another kid/party goer.

Wouldn't trust the word of the kid if my life depended on it. If it were my daughter, I would seriously interrogate her and try to trip her up in her own story before I blamed the cops.

If she convinced me though, fuck would I scream blue murder.



See .. some of us are more distrustfull of the cops than that .. My first assumption would be that she was telling the truth ... I also think, yes, she had been drinking ... but my experiences of police give me reason to think that she is tellign the truth ..

I am amazed at how many peope in this forum believe the cops first ... not my experience of the popos at all ...

[Drew]

See .. some of us are more distrustfull of the cops than that .. My first assumption would be that she was telling the truth ... I also think, yes, she had been drinking ... but my experiences of police give me reason to think that she is tellign the truth ..

I am amazed at how many peope in this forum believe the cops first ... not my experience of the popos at all ...I'm privy to some police bullying, on a scale that most cannot comprehend.

I also know exactly what teenage kids are like. More teenagers are full of crap, little cunts per head, than cops.

I am simply thinking of which is more likely.

[Banditbandit]

I'm privy to some police bullying, on a scale that most cannot comprehend.

I also know exactly what teenage kids are like. More teenagers are full of crap, little cunts per head, than cops.

I am simply thinking of which is more likely.

I wasn't getting at you in particular - yours just happened to be the last post in that vein ...

See I have bugger all experience of teenage girls (except when I was a teenager .. which was sometime 40-something years ago) ... but I do have direct experience of cops ... you clearly have both - why do you mistrust the girl more than the cops?

[mashman]

I can't fathom why you'd raise a whore and then bitch about it?

Fifteen year old skanks drinking at out of control parties need to get used to dropping to their knees... what else is she likely to be good for? (answers on the back of a postcard to the usual address)

15 year old skanks have always been 15 year old skanks irrespective of parents... shit, just take a look at the hollywood socialites, they aren't exactly keeping it on the down low. She'll may well grow up at some point... and just coz you're still dropping to your knees on a regular basis, doesn't mean everyone else does or will in the future.

[imdying]

15 year old skanks have always been 15 year old skanks irrespective of parents... shit, just take a look at the hollywood socialites, they aren't exactly keeping it on the down low. She'll may well grow up at some point... and just coz you're still dropping to your knees on a regular basis, doesn't mean everyone else does or will in the future.News flash, nonsensical extension isn't very cutting :rolleyes:

[Asher]

I've been at several parties that haven't been out of control where the police have turned up to break it up and immediately being heavy handed with people. I've seen them hit and push guys, girls, drunks, sober people, people cooperating and people being assholes.
NOTHING starts a riot faster than the police doing this, then they go on tv saying how out of control the party was, how bottles were thrown and how they were abused.
I'm surprised there haven't been reviews on the way police deal with parties. All they are doing is creating a generation that despises them.

[Akzle]

the problem here seems to be brown people. because we all know brown people are bad.

i say we get them to build trains and train tracks, to these "work camps" where they can serve some useful porpoise...

[Road kill]

the problem here seems to be brown people. because we all know brown people are bad.

i say we get them to build trains and train tracks, to these "work camps" where they can serve some useful porpoise...

How about a Dolphin,,,I like Dolphins,,,they taste good.

[SMOKEU]

So .. how come you're out alone???

I'm not that young.

[Nova.]

Why stop at 18? They are still teenagers at 18, make it 21 and put the age for everything (except military service) back up to 21. Bring back the 21st as their first party. Oh and whilst you are at it bring back compulsory military service. :mad: :eek:

Hahaha good luck you fool.

In saying that, I wouldn't hesitate to fight for my country.

[Akzle]

How about a Dolphin,,,I like Dolphins,,,they taste good.
on rye bread with mayonaise, bring it on :headbang:


In saying that, I wouldn't hesitate to fight for my country.

odd. i wouldn't fight for any politicians, or the government, or the system as it is, but i would definitley shoot any cunt wanting to take 'my' land.

[Mom]

The admission that this "baby" had been drinking put it all in perspective for me. I have heard the gob on these "children" first hand. I DO NOT condone police brutality in any shape or form, and we only have one drunken 15 y/o version of events. FFS! What was she doing out drinking? Unsupervised? Go Mommy, GO! Congratualtions on raising a really special daughter. Oh, btw, we will all be paying for that dental work :clap:

[Nova.]

on rye bread with mayonaise, bring it on :headbang:


odd. i wouldn't fight for any politicians, or the government, or the system as it is, but i would definitley shoot any cunt wanting to take 'my' land.

geeze that's funny, I dun'remember mentioning politicians, the govt or any system :wait:

[Littleman]

I mean what of 'fucken move!' didn't she understand?

[scumdog]

The admission that this "baby" had been drinking put it all in perspective for me. I have heard the gob on these "children" first hand. I DO NOT condone police brutality in any shape or form, and we only have one drunken 15 y/o version of events. FFS! What was she doing out drinking? Unsupervised? Go Mommy, GO! Congratualtions on raising a really special daughter. Oh, btw, we will all be paying for that dental work :clap:

Great post A.:niceone:

[Akzle]

geeze that's funny, I dun'remember mentioning politicians, the govt or any system :wait:

well and good then, i guess we'll be shooting in the same direction when the time comes.

[Drew]

I wasn't getting at you in particular - yours just happened to be the last post in that vein ...

See I have bugger all experience of teenage girls (except when I was a teenager .. which was sometime 40-something years ago) ... but I do have direct experience of cops ... you clearly have both - why do you mistrust the girl more than the cops?

Just an experience thing.

They lie, and given the current state of society, are not punished for it as I consider befitting.

Cops can be relentless, but in the current state of cameras in EVERY hand, they cannot afford to lie and expect to get away with it.

[Fergus]

I've been at several parties that haven't been out of control where the police have turned up to break it up and immediately being heavy handed with people. I've seen them hit and push guys, girls, drunks, sober people, people cooperating and people being assholes.
NOTHING starts a riot faster than the police doing this, then they go on tv saying how out of control the party was, how bottles were thrown and how they were abused.
I'm surprised there haven't been reviews on the way police deal with parties. All they are doing is creating a generation that despises them.

+ a million
I saw a girl get batoned from behind while leaving one of these sorts of parties...She was ahead of me, just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
50 odd people saw it, next thing, 500 people are throwing bottles ect
But I'm sure she was a skank so deserved it :rolleyes:

[Zedder]

+ a million
I saw a girl get batoned from behind while leaving one of these sorts of parties...She was ahead of me, just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
50 odd people saw it, next thing, 500 people are throwing bottles ect
But I'm sure she was a skank so deserved it :rolleyes:

So, what happened after that?

[Berries]

Ten minutes consoling then a toothless BJ from a 15 year old.

[Banditbandit]

All they are doing is creating a generation that despises them.

Naa .. these are the grandchildren of my generation - who learnt to despise the police in Chicago in 1968, at Kent State University in 1970 ... during the protests in New Zealand in the 1960s and 70s ... just riding a bike in New Zealand in the 1970s ... the police framing of Arthur Allen Thomas ... and other such fuck ups ... the police action during the 1981 anti-tour protests (fuck .. I'm talking about things that happened before many peope on this list were born ... anyone born in 1982 will be 31 this year - and have thir own children)

So disilussionment wth the police is way older than this new generation ...

[Zedder]

Naa .. these are the grandchildren of my generation - who learnt to despise the police in Chicago in 1968, at Kent State University in 1970 ... during the protests in New Zealand in the 1960s and 70s ... just riding a bike in New Zealand in the 1970s ... the police framing of Arthur Allen Thomas ... and other such fuck ups ... the police action during the 1981 anti-tour protests (fuck .. I'm talking about things that happened before many peope on this list were born ... anyone born in 1982 will be 31 this year - and have thir own children)

So disilussionment wth the police is way older than this new generation ...

I'd say there's a fair amount of disillusionment in the police force due to dealing with idiots and arseholes as well.

[Banditbandit]

I'd say there's a fair amount of disillusionment in the police force due to dealing with idiots and arseholes as well.

Absolutely - human beings are human beings and we all fuck up ... and if I was a cop I'd be pretty disillusioned too ... hell, I am pretty disillusioned with my fellow New Zealanders ...

[Zedder]

Absolutely - human beings are human beings and we all fuck up ... and if I was a cop I'd be pretty disillusioned too ... hell, I am pretty disillusioned with my fellow New Zealanders ...

What, disillusioned with all of us? That's a bit harsh...

[skippa1]

Anyone that hasnt brought up kids, had troubled teenagers and dealt with that side of things is dreaming if they think they understand. You can build a relationship with your kids, get alongside them and encouage, provide opportunity and lifestyle.....but when they hit the skids and want to make their own statement about individualisim and their "rights".....when they decide that you as parents are the main source of their pain.....in most cases, nothing you say or do will change their minds. They go on a one track self destruct path. At 15 you cant send them to their room if they dont want to go, you cant ground them unless you are prepared to imprison them............

My view......the issues here are two fold. Society has normalised kids drinking and taking drugs for recreational purposes.....by our own actions. Then we defend their "rights" as individuals when they fuck up and we look to blame others.

What went wrong here?,

The child is out drinking at a party at the age of 15 and that is not appropriate
The girl got caught up in violence and unrest
The girl doesnt want to take responsibility for her actions or the position she has put herself in
The mother is defending the girls "rights"
The press sensationalise the whole event

The child made her own choices and should take esponsibility for the position she is in
The mother should back the police and their actions as being for the greater good of the community

The cops might have been heavy handed, but ahat are they supposed to do when so outnumbered and confronted with alchohol fuelled teenagers with parents standing behind them screaming about rights? The kids feel justified by their parents actions.

Fuckem....bitch got what she deserves and the parents should shutup....

[Genestho]

Here's where "facts" become clearer. So, now I read she'd tripped over onto her face? My original position (without knowing much here anyway) would have to change at that point. "You chose to be at that party where kids were rarking up, sorry love, it happens." Pick up the pieces (of teeth) and move on.

EDIT: Did her parents know she was there? Did she pull the old "I'm at so and so's house" move and go regardless and Vice Versus and nobody (Parents) checked that up? I don't know..

[mashman]

News flash, nonsensical extension isn't very cutting :rolleyes:

I'm sending virtual hugs :spanking:

[mashman]

I saw a girl get batoned from behind while leaving one of these sorts of parties...She was ahead of me, just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

hmmmmmm, either an admission or a different kind of "batonning" was taking place.

[Banditbandit]

What, disillusioned with all of us? That's a bit harsh...

Yeah .. yeah .. but yeah ..

[Zedder]

hmmmmmm, either an admission or a different kind of "batonning" was taking place.

Wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more!

[Mom]

Here's where "facts" become clearer. So, now I read she'd tripped over onto her face? My original position (without knowing much here anyway) would have to change at that point. "You chose to be at that party where kids were rarking up, sorry love, it happens." Pick up the pieces (of teeth) and move on.

EDIT: Did her parents know she was there? Did she pull the old "I'm at so and so's house" move and go regardless and Vice Versus and nobody (Parents) checked that up? I don't know..

If she had been sober at the time, she could have picked those teeth up and placed them back in her mouth to keep them vital. A bit of emergency dental surgery could have had them back in her jaw (albiet wired in for a bit) in no time. I have plenty of questions. Where did she get that booze from. Her mother seemed to know she had 4 RTD's so I am picking she bought them for her. Thats fine, I have bought alcohol for my kids too, but for the most part the drank them with me, or with someone I trusted to keep them safe.

I get really ticked off with some parents attitudes to teens drinking. I have told this story before but is is worthy of a repeat.

A few years ago now, Mark and I went to Morrinsville the Saturday prior to Paeroa to stay with some family. We left my 18 y/o daughter (returned from Uni for the weekend), 16 y/o son and 13 y/o daughter home to fend for themselves. Rules were pretty simple. My kids were pretty level so we had no fears of leaving them home.

We attended Paeroa on the Sunday and were making our way home when the phone rang. It is No1 daughter telling em I needed to "talk" to her brother.

Long story short. My son and a few of his mates pooled their cash and one mother went and bought RTD's for the boys to drink. Another parent, bought beer and dropped his son off at our house at 11pm if you please.

We can home to a reasonably tidy house (lad worked hard to get it cleaned up) but...

My five bladed ceiling fan only had 4 blades on it, the deck was stained with really gross spew patterns, and there was rubbish and all sorts all around the garden. Oh, and worst of all for son, his lap top (that he had bought and paid for himself) had a smashed screen.

I was pretty unhappy to say the least, and started to make a few calls. Yes, the woman that bought the RTD's knew we were not home to supervise, but it was only a few bottles each :pinch: (it was her son that broke the ceiling fan) and yes, the bloke that dropped his son off at 11 also knew we were not home, but it was only a few beers. I could not believe it. Fuckers the lot of them!

So, kid that bust fan did not pay for damages, neither did his parents, that out of my pocket.

Son wanted me to claim insurance for his lap top - I refused, that was his problem, not my insurance companies problem.

I never growled at him, he was so remorseful (and he paid to pay to replace his own lap top) all I asked him was to think about what had happened, and then tell me what he had learned.


He learned some big lessons that night.

It is not a good idea to provide 16 y/o boys with alcohol unsupervised.
It is not cool to have a party at your parents place when they are not home.
It costs real money to repair damage when teenagers run amok on booze.
Always keep your parent in the loop about what is happening.
You can not control drunken teenagers (apparently he was beside himself when they went mad).

Thankfully for me it never went anyfurther than a few drunken boys, but it can happen.

Still, little gal should not have been so drunk, she tripped up and lost her teeth. As for her Mother...

[Edbear]

If she had been sober at the time, she could have picked those teeth up and placed them back in her mouth to keep them vital. A bit of emergency dental surgery could have had them back in her jaw (albiet wired in for a bit) in no time. I have plenty of questions. Where did she get that booze from. Her mother seemed to know she had 4 RTD's so I am picking she bought them for her. Thats fine, I have bought alcohol for my kids too, but for the most part the drank them with me, or with someone I trusted to keep them safe.

I get really ticked off with some parents attitudes to teens drinking. I have told this story before but is is worthy of a repeat.

A few years ago now, Mark and I went to Morrinsville the Saturday prior to Paeroa to stay with some family. We left my 18 y/o daughter (returned from Uni for the weekend), 16 y/o son and 13 y/o daughter home to fend for themselves. Rules were pretty simple. My kids were pretty level so we had no fears of leaving them home.

We attended Paeroa on the Sunday and were making our way home when the phone rang. It is No1 daughter telling em I needed to "talk" to her brother.

Long story short. My son and a few of his mates pooled their cash and one mother went and bought RTD's for the boys to drink. Another parent, bought beer and dropped his son off at our house at 11pm if you please.

We can home to a reasonably tidy house (lad worked hard to get it cleaned up) but...

My five bladed ceiling fan only had 4 blades on it, the deck was stained with really gross spew patterns, and there was rubbish and all sorts all around the garden. Oh, and worst of all for son, his lap top (that he had bought and paid for himself) had a smashed screen.

I was pretty unhappy to say the least, and started to make a few calls. Yes, the woman that bought the RTD's knew we were not home to supervise, but it was only a few bottles each :pinch: (it was her son that broke the ceiling fan) and yes, the bloke that dropped his son off at 11 also knew we were not home, but it was only a few beers. I could not believe it. Fuckers the lot of them!

So, kid that bust fan did not pay for damages, neither did his parents, that out of my pocket.

Son wanted me to claim insurance for his lap top - I refused, that was his problem, not my insurance companies problem.

I never growled at him, he was so remorseful (and he paid to pay to replace his own lap top) all I asked him was to think about what had happened, and then tell me what he had learned.


He learned some big lessons that night.

It is not a good idea to provide 16 y/o boys with alcohol unsupervised.
It is not cool to have a party at your parents place when they are not home.
It costs real money to repair damage when teenagers run amok on booze.
Always keep your parent in the loop about what is happening.
You can not control drunken teenagers (apparently he was beside himself when they went mad).

Thankfully for me it never went anyfurther than a few drunken boys, but it can happen.

Still, little gal should not have been so drunk, she tripped up and lost her teeth. As for her Mother...

"you must spread..:"

[mashman]

He learned some big lessons that night.

It is not a good idea to provide 16 y/o boys with alcohol unsupervised.
It is not cool to have a party at your parents place when they are not home.
It costs real money to repair damage when teenagers run amok on booze.
Always keep your parent in the loop about what is happening.
You can not control drunken teenagers (apparently he was beside himself when they went mad).

Thankfully for me it never went anyfurther than a few drunken boys, but it can happen.

Just throwing this out there, ahem :shutup:, buuuuuuuuuuuuuut... if he hadn't have learned that lesson that night, when was he going to learn it? When it was too late? Thems little fuckas needs to learn somewhere somehow and without supervision as supervision changes the rules of the game and the kids learn nuffink.