Feeding dogs raw meat?

[YellowDog]

If a rural dog owner decides to feed his dogs with raw, rather than cooked, meat; is this going to put neighbouring livestock in danger?

The example here is that: A husky style dog has attacked a young lamb and devoured more than 50% of it.

And the question is: Might it have been as likely to do the same whether it was fed with raw or cooked meat? The owner says that it would make no difference at all and he's not at fault.

I don't know the answer however I guess it might depend upon the breed of dog as to whether it may stray away from its domesticated behaviour and revert back to its natural blood-thirsty instincts.

I was wondering if anyone had some better information?

[FJRider]

If a rural dog owner decides to feed his dogs with raw, rather than cooked, meat; is this going to put neighbouring livestock in danger?

The example here is that: A husky style dog has attacked a young lamb and devoured more than 50% of it.

And the question is: Might it have been as likely to do the same whether it was fed with raw or cooked meat? The owner says that it would make no difference at all and he's not at fault.

I don't know the answer however I guess it might depend upon the breed of dog as to whether it may stray away from its domesticated behaviour and revert back to its natural blood-thirsty instincts.

I was wondering if anyone had some better information?

I have NEVER heard of "rural dog owners" feeding their dogs COOKED meat.

And if there is no TB issues in the area ... there is no issue.

At worst ... the guilty dog would be tested for TB ... AND destroyed for "worrying stock" ...

Farm owners take a very dim view of domestic (or any dogs) dogs on rural properties attacking sheep.

[Grizzo]

We own an American Staffy on a rural property. We feed him raw meat on occasion as a bit of a treat.
The only critters he's gone for is chickens. He's looked at the odd sheep but not pursued them.

[Hitcher]

Where's Gareth Morgan when you need him?

[BoristheBiter]

If a rural dog owner decides to feed his dogs with raw, rather than cooked, meat; is this going to put neighbouring livestock in danger?


No, end of story.

If a dog is going to kill and eat something what it is being feed has nothing to do with it.

We feed our dog dry food and he likes nothing better than to kill furry little animals and eat them, it's just the type of dog he is.

[carburator]

the house dog gets meat out of a tin, but if she had her way it would be sheep raw!
the working dog gets tin and biscuits, and rounds up sheep and beef for a living..

[scumdog]

The example here is that: A husky style dog has attacked a young lamb and devoured more than 50% of it.


Shoot the fucker.

No worries then.

[caspernz]

Where's Gareth Morgan when you need him?

He's firmly focused on furry pussy for now :drool:

[Jantar]

No problem with feeding dogs raw meat, as long as it is not raw sheepmeat. Sheepmeat can carry sheep measles and one or two other diseases that can spread to the dog.

However if a dog has attacked and killed a lamb, then that dog should be destroyed. End of story.

[Maha]

Our cat eats raw chicken meat (the shit that I cut off) and has never attacked (nor bought home) any livestock to devour.
But having no livestock in the immediate neigbourhood area might have something to do with that.

[Berries]

Our cat eats raw chicken meat (the shit that I cut off) and has never attacked (nor bought home) any livestock to devour.
But having no livestock in the immediate neigbourhood area might have something to do with that.
Fuck, what are they, tigers? Never heard of a cat taking out a sheep before.

We had the neighbours nice family friendly labrador go on a rampage last year and killed three of our sheep. Not sure what it had been eating before, but that was its last meal.

[Grizzo]

Only problem is, I gets the shits!

[Akzle]

If a rural dog owner decides to feed his dogs with raw, rather than cooked, meat; is this going to put neighbouring livestock in danger?

The example here is that: A husky style dog has attacked a young lamb and devoured more than 50% of it.

dogs will do as they're trained.
what they eat will have little bearing on it.

if it hasn't been taught not to kill lambses, it will.

i quite agree with shooting it, though that's as pest control on your property not "if it's killed one then it should be destroyed"

in saying that, once the hunt-kill instinct has been revived, it takes a lot to train it back out, the theory is that the dog wont differentiate between quadrupeds and bipeds (that means it will eat your babies) - so the theory goes...

[bluninja]

Feeding a dog raw meat will not make it suddenly give ot the taste for blood and make it a livestock slaughtering machine. I feed my 3 dogs raw whenever I can, mostly chicken frames and I have 6 chooks in the garden. The dogs don't pay interest to the chooks; until they are killed and fed to them.

I have one dog that attacks wood whenever he can...and I've never given him wood.


Those people tittering and thinking ...how rude....yeah I typed it that way deliberately :)

[Madness]

The Japs are known for eating raw fish & killing whales. Just saying...

[Rhys]

Most dogs that worrying sheep do it as entertainment, often they don't kill them just have a chew and move on to the next sheep

They can be "re trained" but most would get a lead present

[bluninja]

The Japs are known for eating raw fish & killing whales. Just saying...

So if I feed my dog raw fish will it start attacking warm blooded mammals?

[Zedder]

This is way better than the sickest joke thread.

[bluninja]

My daughter has grazed her knees (bicycle being towed by a scooter!!) and the dog licked some blood off her leg. Should I now be worried for my safety? In terms of infection; will my dog die?

[FJRider]

They can be "re trained" but most would get a lead present

In most rural situations as in the original post ... eating 50% of a lamb might be seen as it NOT being "Entertainment".

In most situations with (IF) the offending dog owner is also "rural" ... THEY would administer the lead themselves. Few second chances are given.

[Madness]

My daughter has grazed her knees (bicycle being towed by a scooter!!) and the dog licked some blood off her leg. Should I now be worried for my safety? In terms of infection; will my dog die?

Does your daughter eat raw fish?

[BoristheBiter]

I have one dog that attacks wood whenever he can...and I've never given him wood.



I should hope not.:lol:

[FJRider]

... will my dog die?

Without a doubt .... within another 15 years or so though I would say ...

[duckonin]

If a rural dog owner decides to feed his dogs with raw, rather than cooked, meat; is this going to put neighbouring livestock in danger?

The example here is that: A husky style dog has attacked a young lamb and devoured more than 50% of it.

And the question is: Might it have been as likely to do the same whether it was fed with raw or cooked meat? The owner says that it would make no difference at all and he's not at fault.

I don't know the answer however I guess it might depend upon the breed of dog as to whether it may stray away from its domesticated behaviour and revert back to its natural blood-thirsty instincts.

I was wondering if anyone had some better information?

To have to ask a question like you have . Fuck you must be thick !!!

[bluninja]

Does your daughter eat raw fish?
No but she likes watching dolphins on the tv

[Akzle]

The Japs are known for eating raw fish & killing whales. Just saying...
i eat raw fish and if i get the chance at a whale i wont say no.

...i probably just proved your point.

My daughter has grazed her knees (bicycle being towed by a scooter!!) and the dog licked some blood off her leg. Should I now be worried for my safety? In terms of infection; will my dog die?
i would suggest a shot against girl cooties.

Does your daughter eat raw fish?
smells like fish... tastes like chicken, that's the hole to stick your...

wait. what?

[Road kill]

Huskies and Malamutes are both known escape artists and any body that's ever owned one would know this.

Once a sheep killer always a sheep killer.

The dog needs a bullet.

What the dog eats has FA to do with anything.

The owner is fully responsible for "anything" his dog does.

If the owner is not willing to accept that then he needs to be banned from ever owning a dog again.

[YellowDog]

To have to ask a question like you have . Fuck you must be thick !!!

So sorry about that. Can't be helped.

It's a domestic dog that has come out from the suburbs and not familiar with the rural ways.

It's not my dog and not my lamb.

I'm just interested in the discussion, as I don't really know the answer, though I am now kind of getting there - Thanks.

I do sort of agree/believe that the dog's instincts/behaviour and the diet will not make a great deal of difference and that an untrained dog for such a situation is the problem, as opposed to its diet.

Thanks everyone :niceone:

[Rhys]

Huskies and Malamutes also have a very strong prey drive. if it runs they will chase

[Edbear]

Huskies and Malamutes also have a very strong prey drive. if it runs they will chase

"Chasing runs?" Sounds like the Black Caps... Oh, sorry, :Offtopic:

[puddytat]

Dogs should never be fed raw offal (farm ones) unless cooked, or frozen for 10 days minimum.Dogs that come onto a rural property normally should have been wormed with the correct wormer (Drontal) to stop the spread of sheep measels which means stock will be condemded at the works & Hydatids. We had a fuckwit neighbour who refused to dose his dogs which infected our sheep & we had lambs condemded....A phone call to the Animal Health Board resulted in the threat of a fine.Dickwad then saw the light & dosed his mongrels & the problem dissapeared
The owner of the said Husky should eat humble pie & atleast offer the lamb owner the going price for a finished lamb (80-100 bucks).
Once a stock killer is pretty much never to be trusted...

[george formby]

All dogs have prey drive to a greater or lesser degree. A neighbour had to put down their Golden Retriever for sheep worrying. 2 or more dogs will take on a pack hunting mentality if left to their own devices to the point of attacking people. This happened to a woman cycling over here a few years ago. Once a dog has been allowed to exercise this drive it never goes away, once a sheep killer always a sheep killer. Same as encouraging your dog to chase the neighbours cat or possums. You will never turn it off & the little bugger will regularly get you up at 4am...

Feeding raw is very good for dogs & minimises skin issues, allergies etc but you need to make sure it's a balanced diet, a few chicken frames is not enough.

We had a Staffie which showed an intense interest in sheep on a Cheviot farmers land.. the farmer offered to "stock proof" him so we could let him off leash. This entailed locking him in a shed full of hay bales with a ram until it went quiet. When we opened the door the dog was in one corner as close to the roof as he could get, the ram in the opposite corner. Stalemate, with a bit of wool & claret here & there. That dog would stick to my leg like glue whenever he saw a sheep after that.

Nowadays shock collars are used for aversion training, stock, kiwis, wekas etc, a bit more humane..

[Banditbandit]

Where's Gareth Morgan when you need him?

Chasing pussy? Or Maybe dogs are bigger and bite back ???


This is way better than the sickest joke thread.

Naaa .. I know some very very sick jokes ...


My daughter has grazed her knees (bicycle being towed by a scooter!!) and the dog licked some blood off her leg. Should I now be worried for my safety? In terms of infection; will my dog die?


There are about 45 fatal disease that humans can catch of dogs ... and about 200 fatal diseases that dogs can catch from humans ... Yes - I'd worry about he dog ..

[Road kill]

"Chasing runs?" Sounds like the Black Caps... Oh, sorry, :Offtopic:

Get out of here,,,the dogs actually do catch the run.:lol:

[george formby]

Oh, the point of the thread. If you have bothered to control your dogs feeding, only from the bowl at your command. It is irrelevant what you feed it. If you just chuck it a lump of dead something now & again it will fend for itself & connect meat on the hoof with meat getting chucked at it. Your not controlling your dog or taking responsibility as an owner. Don't feed the dog food with the fur on!

We under estimate how smart dogs are. They spend all of their waking time instinctively learning how to get the best advantage from their surroundings. We see this as affection & the intelligence directed at us. Er, no. They are surviving in an amazing way & will always be "dogs". Proper dogs, huskys, terriers, sight hounds, guardian breeds, malossas etc will revert to form unless you have them restrained & trained.

[ellipsis]

...when the sheep get too near the new trees we have planted on our fenceline I am far worse than any fucking dog...I wave a bottle of mint sauce at them...that worries the fuckers...

[YellowDog]

...when the sheep get too near the new trees we have planted on our fenceline I am far worse than any fucking dog...I wave a bottle of mint sauce at them...that worries the fuckers...

Will have to try the mint sauce thing, as waiving a McDonalds Serious Lamb Burger carton at them is just not being taken seriously.

[george formby]

Will have to try the mint sauce thing, as waiving a McDonalds Serious Lamb Burger carton at them is just not being taken seriously.

I used to shout "mint sauce" at sheep as we drove past in the car when I was kid. They always ran away!

Strangely, they enjoy eating mint..

[Winston001]

Dogs should never be fed raw offal (farm ones) unless cooked, or frozen for 10 days minimum.Dogs that come onto a rural property normally should have been wormed with the correct wormer (Drontal) to stop the spread of sheep measels which means stock will be condemded at the works & Hydatids.

Once a stock killer is pretty much never to be trusted...

Exactly. Hydatids and sheep measles. Meat must be cooked or frozen before it is fed to dogs.

[YellowDog]

This one's well trained:

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[SMOKEU]

dogs will do as they're trained.
what they eat will have little bearing on it.

if it hasn't been taught not to kill lambses, it will.



My dog has never been trained not to attack other animals, but he will never attack another animal.

[Akzle]

My dog has never been trained not to attack other animals, but he will never attack another animal.

does it drop it's bike in the driveway?

[SMOKEU]

does it drop it's bike in the driveway?

No, he doesn't have a bike. I think it would be a bit difficult to teach him to ride anyway.

[Madness]

My dog has never been trained not to attack other animals, but he will never attack another animal.

Is he dead, stuffed & mounted or something?

[SMOKEU]

Is he dead, stuffed & mounted or something?

He's very much alive, it's just not in his nature to attack other animals. Not every dog will try and kill every other animal it can.

[bluninja]

He's very much alive, it's just not in his nature to attack other animals. Not every dog will try and kill every other animal it can.
Agreed. I have a large guardian breed, bred to kill wolves. Doesn't chase small furries, ignores the chooks as she walks through them. The shit poo 'designer' cross from next door chases the cat, the chooks, barks at me...then squeals like a stuck pig if my dogs just walk up to it sniffing at this bizarre creature.

[Dean]

Feed the neighbours dogs possums, they love it.

[george formby]

He's very much alive, it's just not in his nature to attack other animals. Not every dog will try and kill every other animal it can.

If you got a dog that has been bred to work & be none aggressive I concur. It will just be like a person, if something gets in it's face it will probably just tell it to f off in dog terms. But just like people they have personality's, moods & priorities, their are no certainties. One thing I have learned with dogs, I can't read their minds & even the sookiest, most inoffensive dog can show aggression or prey drive. Could be instinct, could be the dog is in pain & pissed off, could be a new situation which makes the dog fear aggressive etc. Who knows.
My dog is a bit of a handful but the sookiest little bugger going. She's an absolute hammer if another dog gets in her face. Shows no interest in sheep, cows or horses. Rats get her going, so do hedgehogs:lol: Typical Terrier.

[XF650]

Training out the instinct to kill is very difficult with some dog breeds. A Husky breeder told me that if they escaped they would even try to bring down a horse.

[george formby]

Training out the instinct to kill is very difficult with some dog breeds. A Husky breeder told me that if they escaped they would even try to bring down a horse.

Good Huskys are close to their roots...
I'm inclined to think that the more drive a dog has to work the more drive it has full stop.

It's not what you feed them but how you feed them that sets the rules.

Bottom line is don't let your dog wander. You want a dog then you take the responsibility for the consequences. I'm not talking about hand bag warmers. It's hard work looking after a dog properly & staying out of trouble in a lot of places. I'm surrounded by beaches & bush but not allowed to run my dog anywhere according to DOC or FNDC. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I tired pup is a good pup.