Chair of Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council

[Mental Trousers]

Who wants it?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/entry.php/2703-Chair-of-the-Motorcycle-Safety-Advisory-Council

[Asher]

If you are passionate about motorcycling, have a strong set of business skills and are an excellent communicator then we would like to hear from you.

Although the person we select will highly likely posses none of these attributes.

[Akzle]

Akzle for world PM :first:

[mashman]

I would, but I'm washing my hair that day.

[willytheekid]

Although the person we select will highly likely posses none of these attributes.

Well that sums me up!...So Best ya put my name in that hat then

278718

:killingme

[Road kill]

Must love hi vis vests and agree to never have an opinion of your own,,,about hi vis vests.

[Hitcher]

Hmmm. I wonder what it pays.

[Berries]

Just lots of love from people on here.

[St_Gabriel]

Hmmm. I wonder what it pays.

Remuneration
The fee payable to the Chair for carrying out their duties is $850 (excl GST) per
day. For each formal meeting up to three days of preparation are anticipated. In
addition, all members are entitled to receive reasonable and actual allowances for
travelling and other expenses relating to performance of their duties.

Time Commitment
The Council meets for one day each quarter. Including Council meetings, a
Chairpersons workload is estimated at 16-24 days per year.

Taken from https://careers.acc.co.nz/blob/MSAC+Chair+-+Position+Description+110213.pdf?bm=extjd&id=09idjsechkhlm0hk4yhiiem9xi&v=2

Was curious as to the answer myself Hitcher

[Katman]

..."excellent communicator"...

Fuck yeah, that's me.

[Paul in NZ]

I suspect the job would also require a strong self belief to the point of ignoring everyone else and the ability to remain cheerful and resolute despite the sure knowledge that what ever you do you will be disliked and ineffective...

Wheres Sir Ernest Shackleton when u need him...

[ktm84mxc]

Sounds like the job for an MNZ exec if any are interested.

[Jantar]

I am tempted.


The Chair will also have knowledge and experience of:
•motorcycling and motorcycle safety
•financial management
•meeting procedures/processes and facilitating/chairing meetings
•community/NGO organisations
•commerce, marketing, and communications
•relationship management
•governance and public sector management
•a good appreciation of the role and responsibility of the Council
•Treaty of Waitangi awareness.

However, If I applied I very much doubt that I would be accepted as I'm not sufficiently politically correct. But enough applications from experience motorcyclists who are also active KB members and maybe we could start to have an influence.


..."excellent communicator"...

Fuck yeah, that's me.

Actually KM you are an excellent communicator. But even less PC than I am. :bleh:

[Banditbandit]

..."excellent communicator"...

Fuck yeah, that's me.

Yeah right ...

[p.dath]

...However, If I applied I very much doubt that I would be accepted as I'm not sufficiently politically correct. But enough applications from experience motorcyclists who are also active KB members and maybe we could start to have an influence.
...

The other big "downer" in my book as well is that you'll be required to comply with existing NZTA policies, even if you don't agree with them.

For example, the linkage of "speed kills" to speeding. I don't believe speeding kills, I believe it is inappropriate speed for the conditions.

[bogan]

I am tempted.



However, If I applied I very much doubt that I would be accepted as I'm not sufficiently politically correct. But enough applications from experience motorcyclists who are also active KB members and maybe we could start to have an influence.



Actually KM you are an excellent communicator. But even less PC than I am. :bleh:

Go for it!

I think your chances might be better than you expect, they've had a few months now to search for cronies...

[HenryDorsetCase]

For example, the linkage of "speed kills" to speeding. I don't believe speeding kills, I believe it is inappropriate speed for the conditions.

and the sudden stop at the end

[p.dath]

and the sudden stop at the end

Haha, yes. Also the grinding down of the body on tar seal.

[Banditbandit]

Just lots of love from people on here.

Yeah Right !!! Whoever gets that job is a target for the people here ...

[oneofsix]

Yeah Right !!! Whoever gets that job is a target for the people here ...

I can think of a couple of people on here that are already targets for a lot of the other people people on here.

[Big Dave]

People - no.
Shitbags - yes.

You'd end up with an ignore list like Sarge.

[Supertwin Don]

I see the job description has " Treaty of Waitangi Awareness" as one of it's criteria - can anyone out there explain to me just what relevance that has to MOTORCYCLE SAFETY ????

[bogan]

I see the job description has " Treaty of Waitangi Awareness" as one of it's criteria - can anyone out there explain to me just what relevance that has to MOTORCYCLE SAFETY ????

Well, how many taniwha caused accidents are there currently? It is only through great treaty awareness that the numbers are kept so low :eek:

[oneofsix]

Well, how many taniwha caused accidents are there currently? It is only through great treaty awareness that the numbers are kept so low :eek:

how can you be sure? A lot of those put down as single bike crashes could in fact be Taniwha caused. Perhaps the real solution is not educating the riders on their road craft but rather on protocol and making the appropriate offerings befoe starting the bike.

[Jantar]

I see the job description has " Treaty of Waitangi Awareness" as one of it's criteria - can anyone out there explain to me just what relevance that has to MOTORCYCLE SAFETY ????

It is possibly because Maori are under represented in motorcycle accidents. The ToW gives Maori the same rights to motorcycle accidents as to all other motorcyclists.

Now I cannot be sure that Maori ARE under represented in motorcycle accidents because it is not PC to keep such records. But we must be aware that the ToW does give the same rights to all people.

[Banditbandit]

It is possibly because Maori are under represented in motorcycle accidents. The ToW gives Maori the same rights to motorcycle accidents as to all other motorcyclists.

Now I cannot be sure that Maori ARE under represented in motorcycle accidents because it is not PC to keep such records. But we must be aware that the ToW does give the same rights to all people.

I like that .. and under-repped? I'm not sure .. I've binned it 11 times (might be 12) ... that must make up for a few of you wimping whities who never ride hard enough to biff it ...

But seriously??? - it's because our Governments must always act cognizant of the treaty - so it's just a generalized public sevice employment thingy - I wouldn't worry about it too much ... don't let it stop you applying ... You're a moderator so you're used to having a target on your back for Kiwibikers to aim at ..

[Jantar]

I like that .. and under-repped? I'm not sure .. ....

:bleh: I first wrote "over represented", but decided that was making an assumption for which I had no information. So in a typical about face I reversed it to say something that again I had absolutely no information on. :D

However, you are correct about it being a standard phrase, if only to stop the type of assumptions I've just highlighted.

[Zedder]

how can you be sure? A lot of those put down as single bike crashes could in fact be Taniwha caused. Perhaps the real solution is not educating the riders on their road craft but rather on protocol and making the appropriate offerings befoe starting the bike.

Nah, don't worry, koha will fix the Taniwha issues. It always does...

[bogan]

:bleh: I first wrote "over represented", but decided that was making an assumption for which I had no information. So in a typical about face I reversed it to say something that again I had absolutely no information on. :D

However, you are correct about it being a standard phrase, if only to stop the type of assumptions I've just highlighted.

And he claimed to be not PC enough :rolleyes: PC people always make minority look good instead of the opposite...

[Supertwin Don]

Just had another thought - maybe it's just to make sure that lots of non-motorcycle people can make lots of money arguing over the "customary rights" of idigenous people to make use of non indigenous technology and thereby having a financial interest in the provision of "safe" facilities for the use of said technology.
:bleh::bleh::bleh:

[Zedder]

Just had another thought - maybe it's just to make sure that lots of non-motorcycle people can make lots of money arguing over the "customary rights" of idigenous people to make use of non indigenous technology and thereby having a financial interest in the provision of "safe" facilities for the use of said technology.
:bleh::bleh::bleh:

C'mon now, where on earth would you possibly get that idea from...?

[Paul in NZ]

I've been thinking about this... I reckon I'd be shit hot at this job and have some seriously cool ideas about reducing the road toll.

First off - ban all bikes with overhead camshafts. If you have double OHC you are double banned. OHC is the work of the devil unless its in an Manx Norton, AJS 7R / G50 or an old Square four... Everything else - cams below the pistons please.

Second - ban all bikes faster than mine.... You are all mad bastards anyway and no one listens to madmen...

Third - when I want a ride - every other prick has to get off the bloody road. That should at least make me safer and if you lot aint traveling you will be safer too...

Now thats 3 bloody good reasons why I should be appointed, now wheres my $850 please...

[Banditbandit]

:bleh: I first wrote "over represented", but decided that was making an assumption for which I had no information. So in a typical about face I reversed it to say something that again I had absolutely no information on. :D

However, you are correct about it being a standard phrase, if only to stop the type of assumptions I've just highlighted.

:rofl: Given that most of the bros ride Harleys ... (and are crap at it too) ... then there is a good chance they are over-repped in the stats ...

[Banditbandit]

how can you be sure? A lot of those put down as single bike crashes could in fact be Taniwha caused. Perhaps the real solution is not educating the riders on their road craft but rather on protocol and making the appropriate offerings befoe starting the bike.

I always talk to my bike before I start it - just to make sure it is happy ...


Nah, don't worry, koha will fix the Taniwha issues. It always does...

Naa ... taniwha's don't accept utu . Maybe muru ... Maybe a virgin sacrifice (I'll help by checking they're virgins )


Just had another thought - maybe it's just to make sure that lots of non-motorcycle people can make lots of money arguing over the "customary rights" of idigenous people to make use of non indigenous technology and thereby having a financial interest in the provision of "safe" facilities for the use of said technology.
:bleh::bleh::bleh:

I see that you use Italian technology ... by what right do you do that ??? (Oh yeah ... stop eating our indigenous food with your roasts)

And we have NO intererst in the "safe" use of non-indigenous technology :rofl: the more you whities kill yourself off the better for us .. the quicker we get our country back (we're already breeding you out of existence ... getting you all killed on the roads just makes it faster ...)

[Supertwin Don]

C'mon now, where on earth would you possibly get that idea from...?

Same place you might get the idea that one of the Iwi might claim "rights" to the speed at which said M/c was travelling:rolleyes:

just caught the previous post - I don't really like spaghetti, anyway. but at least spag bog might have something other than pakeha (oops, sorry, horse) in it!

[Zedder]

Naa ... taniwha's don't accept utu . Maybe muru ... Maybe a virgin sacrifice (I'll help by checking they're virgins )



I see that you use Italian technology ... by what right do you do that ??? (Oh yeah ... stop eating our indigenous food with your roasts)

And we have NO intererst in the "safe" use of non-indigenous technology :rofl: the more you whities kill yourself off the better for us .. the quicker we get our country back (we're already breeding you out of existence ... getting you all killed on the roads just makes it faster ...)


I wrote koha not utu. Two completely different things.

"...our country back?" Even David Rankin, the Ngapuhi leader, doubts it was "your" country and "...breeding you out of existence?" How many full blooded Maori are around now?

Sounds like this is one of your "I'm only playing on the internet and having fun" posts.

[Zedder]

Same place you might get the idea that one of the Iwi might claim "rights" to the speed at which said M/c was travelling:rolleyes:

just caught the previous post - I don't really like spaghetti, anyway. but at least spag bog might have something other than pakeha (oops, sorry, horse) in it!

Don't forget the air the bike is passing through. Cha-ching!

[Berries]

Now I cannot be sure that Maori ARE under represented in motorcycle accidents because it is not PC to keep such records.
Oh but they do.

[Mom]

I would, but I'm washing my hair that day.

Hair? I might have to shave my legs to avoid the opportunity.


Hmmm. I wonder what it pays.

Probably far too much of our "ring fenced" levy contribution.


..."excellent communicator"...

Fuck yeah, that's me.

You have a lot to learn about diplomacy young padwan. Blunt and repetitive is perhaps not what they need.


However, If I applied I very much doubt that I would be accepted as I'm not sufficiently politically correct. But enough applications from experience motorcyclists who are also active KB members and maybe we could start to have an influence. :bleh:

Politically correct is one thing, influence? One would hope so.

Do IT!

I reckon I screwed my pooch on this matter a little while ago :yes:

[Katman]

You have a lot to learn about diplomacy young padwan. Blunt and repetitive is perhaps not what they need.


"Speak softly and carry a large stick" is so last century.

[McFatty1000]

I think it'd be excellent to see someone (responsible) from here do it, would feel way more confident in the whole thing that way.


At least, until they did something I didn't agree with.... :bleh:

[Ocean1]

First off - ban all bikes with overhead camshafts. If you have double OHC you are double banned. OHC is the work of the devil unless its in an Manx Norton, AJS 7R / G50 or an old Square four... Everything else - cams below the pistons please.

Never mind overhead cams, they went wrong with overhead valves.

[Berries]

I think it'd be excellent to see someone (responsible) from here do it, would feel way more confident in the whole thing that way.
Where is Stoney anyway?

[MSTRS]

• Treaty of Waitangi awareness.

WTF?? Just what do motorcycles, roads and coin got to do with an old bit of paper?

[Paul in NZ]

Never mind overhead cams, they went wrong with overhead valves.

Ah - excellent, a supporter who can form the radical right wing of my movement...

[Zedder]

WTF?? Just what do motorcycles, roads and coin got to do with an old bit of paper?

Perhaps this might help:http://www.nzcpr.com/TreatyTransparencyResearchReportJanuary2013.pdf

[Banditbandit]

I wrote koha not utu. Two completely different things.

Maybe so - but in the context of the discussion???


"...our country back?" Even David Rankin, the Ngapuhi leader, doubts it was "your" country and "...breeding you out of existence?" How many full blooded Maori are around now?

Yes - and how many full blooded Pakeha are left??? Intermarriage has always been the way of bringing new peopel into our society .. happened with the waka people - will happen with the newer newcomers ..


Sounds like this is one of your "I'm only playing on the internet and having fun" posts.

Yeah - I was joking ... jokes don't make a huge lot of sense when you analyse them ... but yeah .. joke - don't take it too seriously

[Banditbandit]

Blunt and repetitive is perhaps not what they need.



That's what they seem to want - a repetative "speed kils seed kills" message


I think it'd be excellent to see someone (responsible) from here do it, would feel way more confident in the whole thing that way.



Responsible?? Fuck .. will they really find that amongst this forum?


Never mind overhead cams, they went wrong with overhead valves.

Naaa .. I reckon it was the valves that did it ... give them away too - only extra weight.

[Zedder]

Maybe so - but in the context of the discussion???



Yes - and how many full blooded Pakeha are left??? Intermarriage has always been the way of bringing new peopel into our society .. happened with the waka people - will happen with the newer newcomers ..



Yeah - I was joking ... jokes don't make a huge lot of sense when you analyse them ... but yeah .. joke - don't take it too seriously


So if it was a joke, why the questions and explanation of intermarriage? "Yeah, only joking" would have been sufficient.

[Banditbandit]

So if it was a joke, why the questions and explanation of intermarriage? "Yeah, only joking" would have been sufficient.

Humour is a good way to make a point without pissing off too many people ... (Yeah - I continue to be amused by the words running across my screen ...)

[Berries]

It is possibly because Maori are under represented in motorcycle accidents. The ToW gives Maori the same rights to motorcycle accidents as to all other motorcyclists.

Now I cannot be sure that Maori ARE under represented in motorcycle accidents because it is not PC to keep such records.
OK, this should kick things back in to life. Over the last five years there were 6535 riders involved in injury crashes in dear old multicultural NZ. 78% of those riders identified themselves as European, 9% NZ Maori, 8% unknown, 3% Asian, 1% other and then all the other groups are made up of Pacific Islanders but they don’t add up to much. (The breakdown in to Cook Islanders, Fijian, Samoan, Tongan, Tokelauan and Other PI is a bit odd when they can clump half the population of the planet in to a group called Asian, but I digress).

When you look at the riders who were found to be partly or fully at fault then 77% of them were Europeans, 11% Maori, 8% unknown and 2% Asian. So ethnicity does not really jump out as a statistically significant issue when it comes to culpability which shows that the Treaty is working.

Two interesting points. Samoans are the only group who are more likely to be involved in a crash riding a moped than a motorbike, I know not why, and the other one is for all the rednecks out there. Of all the bike crashes where the rider was either on a stolen bike or evading enforcement, of which there were 106, 45% of riders were European, 40% NZ Maori and 10% unknown.

Discuss. :corn:

[Zedder]

OK, this should kick things back in to life. Over the last five years there were 6535 riders involved in injury crashes in dear old multicultural NZ. 78% of those riders identified themselves as European, 9% NZ Maori, 8% unknown, 3% Asian, 1% other and then all the other groups are made up of Pacific Islanders but they don’t add up to much. (The breakdown in to Cook Islanders, Fijian, Samoan, Tongan, Tokelauan and Other PI is a bit odd when they can clump half the population of the planet in to a group called Asian, but I digress).

When you look at the riders who were found to be partly or fully at fault then 77% of them were Europeans, 11% Maori, 8% unknown and 2% Asian. So ethnicity does not really jump out as a statistically significant issue when it comes to culpability which shows that the Treaty is working.

Two interesting points. Samoans are the only group who are more likely to be involved in a crash riding a moped than a motorbike, I know not why, and the other one is for all the rednecks out there. Of all the bike crashes where the rider was either on a stolen bike or evading enforcement, of which there were 106, 45% of riders were European, 40% NZ Maori and 10% unknown.

Discuss. :corn:

Discuss popcorn...ok. Well, it's nice with lots of butter. You can get little packets that are microwaveable which is very handy. It's very popular in movie theatres where they probably make huge profits from it. Caramel popcorn is great 'cos it's crunchy as well as flavoured.

[MIXONE]

Where's smokeu when ya need him!

[Banditbandit]

OK, this should kick things back in to life. .... Discuss. :corn:

Do we get marks for this? What's the percentage of the final mark? How many words should we have? Is it permissable to submit our discussion in te reo Māori? If we do submt in te reo who marks it? Do you expect a bibliography? If we quote anonymous sources (such as peope in this forum) can we reference the url without the name of the author?

[Banditbandit]

Where's smokeu when ya need him!

Huh ??? When do we need him ??? or Why do we need him???

[Zedder]

Do we get marks for this? What's the percentage of the final mark? How many words should we have? Is it permissable to submit our discussion in te reo Māori? If we do submt in te reo who marks it? Do you expect a bibliography? If we quote anonymous sources (such as peope in this forum) can we reference the url without the name of the author?

You left out an important aspect.

What depth of awareness of the Treaty of Waitangi should it show? You of all people should have bought this up ffs.

[bogan]

OK, this should kick things back in to life. Over the last five years there were 6535 riders involved in injury crashes in dear old multicultural NZ. 78% of those riders identified themselves as European, 9% NZ Maori, 8% unknown, 3% Asian, 1% other and then all the other groups are made up of Pacific Islanders but they don’t add up to much. (The breakdown in to Cook Islanders, Fijian, Samoan, Tongan, Tokelauan and Other PI is a bit odd when they can clump half the population of the planet in to a group called Asian, but I digress).

When you look at the riders who were found to be partly or fully at fault then 77% of them were Europeans, 11% Maori, 8% unknown and 2% Asian. So ethnicity does not really jump out as a statistically significant issue when it comes to culpability which shows that the Treaty is working.

Two interesting points. Samoans are the only group who are more likely to be involved in a crash riding a moped than a motorbike, I know not why, and the other one is for all the rednecks out there. Of all the bike crashes where the rider was either on a stolen bike or evading enforcement, of which there were 106, 45% of riders were European, 40% NZ Maori and 10% unknown.

Discuss. :corn:

Sooo, treaty awareness is knowing how to say, they are thieving cunts who can't ride, but in a nice way?

[Bald Eagle]

. Of all the bike crashes where the rider was either on a stolen bike or evading enforcement, of which there were 106, 45% of riders were European, 40% NZ Maori and 10% unknown.

Discuss. :corn:

Easy the 45% where evading enforcement and 40% where on a stolen bike.

Fully compliant with ToW.

[Zedder]

Easy the 45% where evading enforcement and 40% where on a stolen bike.

Fully compliant with ToW.

Sure, but it would be more culturally acceptable to say/write it in Te Reo.

[Bald Eagle]

Sure, but it would be more culturally acceptable to say/write it in Te Reo.

Or sign language :headbang:or English - only Te Reo if it was after 1987.

(New Zealand has three official languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy) – English, Māori and New Zealand Sign Language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NZSL).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ori_language#cite_note-4) Māori gained this status with the passing of the Māori Language Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ori_Language_Act) in 1987 )

[sugilite]

of those riders identified themselves as European, 9% NZ Maori, 8% unknown, 3% Asian
Discuss. :corn:

Clearly, these "unknowns" are a pack of bastards!

[Zedder]

Clearly, these "unknowns" are a pack of bastards!

Whoa, that's just racial profiling right there.

The "unknowns" keep to themselves, don't appear anywhere, except in stats, and generally work well with other statistics.

[Banditbandit]

You left out an important aspect.

What depth of awareness of the Treaty of Waitangi should it show? You of all people should have bought this up ffs.

I just chucked out a whole lot of questions students typically ask me when I set an assignment worded like that ..

[Paul in NZ]

Clearly, these "unknowns" are a pack of bastards!

Pricks should get back on their stinkin boat and go back to Unknownia ....

[Zedder]

I just chucked out a whole lot of questions students typically ask me when I set an assignment worded like that ..

I can only give you a B minus then paired Bandit.

[Zedder]

Pricks should get back on their stinkin boat and go back to Unknownia ....

Maybe they'll sink on the way back due to "unknown" circumstances.

[Paul in NZ]

Maybe they'll sink on the way back due to "unknown" circumstances.

Could be - I just thought they went back to all the blank spots on the map? You know the bits with 'here be dragons' etc. Mind you Vicki told me the AA have got a later edition than my 1726 Olde Atlas of Bridle Paths and Footpaths of the Knowne Worlde...

[Banditbandit]

I can only give you a B minus then paired Bandit.

Fuck ... I'll take that ... most teachers just want to chuck me out of class (or at least wish I'd go away) ... always have and always will ...

[nathanwhite]

Who wants it?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/entry.php/2703-Chair-of-the-Motorcycle-Safety-Advisory-Council

Sounds like it could be fun....

I reckon I just might apply.

[awa355]

Could be - I just thought they went back to all the blank spots on the map? You know the bits with 'here be dragons' etc. Mind you Vicki told me the AA have got a later edition than my 1726 Olde Atlas of Bridle Paths and Footpaths of the Knowne Worlde...


Does your copy mention whether the paths are dirt or gravel? My pony doesn't have horseshoes. :oi-grr:

[Harry up]

I see the job description has " Treaty of Waitangi Awareness" as one of it's criteria - can anyone out there explain to me just what relevance that has to MOTORCYCLE SAFETY ????

And you wonder why no "real" people represent in these sorts of positions!!!

Chur