New law to combat benefit fraud

[Zedder]

Looks good:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10866593

[tigertim20]

It's a start, but as it is, those who commit the benefit fraud get a slap on the wrist, then pay back the amount out of their benefit each week. its ridiculous.
Get caught for benefit fraud and you should be banned for life from getting a benefit, period.

[Banditbandit]

I think the new law looks good ...


It's a start, but as it is, those who commit the benefit fraud get a slap on the wrist,

Many have gone to jail ...


then pay back the amount out of their benefit each week. its ridiculous.

How else are they going to pay it back? They have no other income?


Get caught for benefit fraud and you should be banned for life from getting a benefit, period.

And then who feeds their kids ????

[JimO]

How else are they going to pay it back? They have no other income?



And then who feeds their kids ????
how about this for a idea, they get a JOB

[SMOKEU]

And then who feeds their kids ????

People should have no right whatsoever to breed if they can't support their kids without welfare, let alone themselves.

[tigertim20]

They have no other income?



And then who feeds their kids ????

how to pay it back? get a fucking job, or better yet, a very, very, very long term of PD/comunity work, whatever they call it these days.

as for feeding their kids? fuck them, how can they look after a kid if they cant hold down a job? remove the kids from their care until they can PROVE they can provide a safe, nurturing environment that provides all the necessities to the kids. Be better than those kids growing up and seeing the dishonesty and theft as an acceptable norm and following suit.

[Banditbandit]

how about this for a idea, they get a JOB

Yeah - of course ... there's a huge numbe rof jobs out there .. adn yeah, someone else can look after their pre-school age kids while they work ...


People should have no right whatsoever to breed if they can't support their kids without welfare, let alone themselves.

Typical rightwing off-the-point knee-jerk reaction - it's too late when they have kids.


how to pay it back? get a fucking job, or better yet, a very, very, very long term of PD/comunity work, whatever they call it these days.

See above ... and they may have already done jail time (or PD) ... doesn't get any moey back - and costs money to happen ..


as for feeding their kids? fuck them, how can they look after a kid if they cant hold down a job? remove the kids from their care until they can PROVE they can provide a safe, nurturing environment that provides all the necessities to the kids. Be better than those kids growing up and seeing the dishonesty and theft as an acceptable norm and following suit.

There's a sensible solution ... I can actually go along with that one ... there's be a lot of kids around in social welfare homes (such a wonderful environment for kids to grow up in - NOT) or a demand for foster homes that exceeds supply ...

But some of those homes would be better than with their parent/s ... and some might not be ..

[328FTW]

My cousin commits fraud. Paid under the table and claims benefits on top. Makes a fair bit but I think it fuels a hidden drug habit.

Been charged before but it keeps going on.

[Shortie]

I think also if you have a girlfriend that is on a benefit you need to be careful you fully distance yourself so as to not have your assets seized for her mistakes.

[neels]

Seems fair, it's a bit hard to believe that partners of those committing benefit fraud don't know about it and aren't just as guilty of spending the money.

Now they just need to do the same for dodgy business people who let their companies go broke owing people millions and have all their assets in their partners name.

[328FTW]

I do honestly think the solution is not more laws. It's creating a better system for dealing with things period. Some kind of panel that has overriding powers to actually do the logical common sense thing. The issue is where there is power there is corruption, where there is corruption you have to set strict boundaries to combat it, when you do that you are effectively setting up a system that combats itself in getting anything done; ultimately the result is us plebs on the end of the system just have to shake our heads at the circus going on.

Everyone always applauds when a law is created that targets someone who is ripping everyone off. The reality is not much changes cause they are put through the same system that is currently failing to effectively resolve the issue. So it's just more people put before something that isn't working. This rustles my jimmies.

[SMOKEU]

Typical rightwing off-the-point knee-jerk reaction - it's too late when they have kids.


No wonder the economy is fucked.

[Zedder]

Seems fair, it's a bit hard to believe that partners of those committing benefit fraud don't know about it and aren't just as guilty of spending the money.

Now they just need to do the same for dodgy business people who let their companies go broke owing people millions and have all their assets in their partners name.

Or in family trusts etc.

[sgtp]

Wow, and to think my country you lovingly call 'Merica is reasuring all the illeagal immigrants unlawfully recieving welfare that the fact that they are breaking TWO laws wont affect their chances of being granted citizenship.......ugh



http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/18/usdamexican-consulates-to-immigrants-dont-worry-food-stamps-wont-affect-citizenship-chances/

NZ needs more laws (and a govt that will enforce them....'merica is not into enforcement et all)

[Zedder]

I do honestly think the solution is not more laws. It's creating a better system for dealing with things period. Some kind of panel that has overriding powers to actually do the logical common sense thing. The issue is where there is power there is corruption, where there is corruption you have to set strict boundaries to combat it, when you do that you are effectively setting up a system that combats itself in getting anything done; ultimately the result is us plebs on the end of the system just have to shake our heads at the circus going on.

Everyone always applauds when a law is created that targets someone who is ripping everyone off. The reality is not much changes cause they are put through the same system that is currently failing to effectively resolve the issue. So it's just more people put before something that isn't working. This rustles my jimmies.

Sure, the big picture is to change the system. However, that's not a small job and IMO not losing $20million per year isn't a bad start. At least taxpayers don't end up paying it and like the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009, it's another weapon in the fight.

[mashman]

bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... go nats go.

[328FTW]

Sure, the big picture is to change the system. However, that's not a small job and IMO not losing $20million per year isn't a bad start. At least taxpayers don't end up paying it and like the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009, it's another weapon in the fight.

I'll be here waiting for my zombie apocalypse.

[Road kill]

I know 4 married couples with kids that have been ripping the system off for around 25-30 years.

Their all white middle class, own property and are doing just fine out of it.

In the mean time we keep importing south africans and poms

Of course it's far easier to pretend it's only brown people and we're not importing people we don't need to take Kiwi's jobs and thus force them into taking advantage of the system which in turn becomes a life style.

And to answer the obvious question,,,no I will not dog on my own people while the gov't imports lazy white trash from failing countries.

I mean how many fucking SA supervisors and UK pigs does NZ need anyway.

As if either are skills we can't find at home.

[scumdog]

I mean how many fucking SA supervisors and UK pigs does NZ need anyway.

As if either are skills we can't find at home.

We can't - too many fuckin' lazy Kiwis, ones that whinge "they're taking our jobs, they're taking our jobs..waaaa"
But are happy-as to collect the benefit...

[SPman]

Tax evasion costs the government between $1 and $6 billion a year. Meanwhile, welfare fraud costs only $39 million.They're chasing peanuts while ignoring the pot of gold. But then, I guess those peanuts aren't being stolen by their mates...

Yep - they've got their priorities right! - must be time to distract the unthinking, easily knee-jerked masses again.........I wonder what nice little surprise they are diverting your attention from, this time.........:killingme

[SMOKEU]

I know 4 married couples with kids that have been ripping the system off for around 25-30 years.

Their all white middle class, own property and are doing just fine out of it.

In the mean time we keep importing south africans and poms

Of course it's far easier to pretend it's only brown people and we're not importing people we don't need to take Kiwi's jobs and thus force them into taking advantage of the system which in turn becomes a life style.

And to answer the obvious question,,,no I will not dog on my own people while the gov't imports lazy white trash from failing countries.

I mean how many fucking SA supervisors and UK pigs does NZ need anyway.

As if either are skills we can't find at home.

What's wrong with South Africans or British? It was the British that colonized NZ to begin with, and the South Africans don't tend to rip the system off as much as the New Zealanders do. How do you feel about immigrants from all the other countries that are flooding into NZ?

PS. You're fucking retarded.

[JimO]

Yeah - of course ... there's a huge numbe rof jobs out there .. adn yeah, someone else can look after their pre-school age kids while they work ...




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plenty of working people do that and yes there are jobs out there, you just have to get your lazy arse out of bed and find one

[Zedder]

Yep - they've got their priorities right! - must be time to distract the unthinking, easily knee-jerked masses again.........I wonder what nice little surprise they are diverting your attention from, this time.........:killingme

Fortytwo OECD countries, including New Zealand, signed a joint anti tax evasion initiative late last year.

[Akzle]

if, i dunno. maybe, some businessmen paid tax and weren't eligible for crown assurance tomfuckery, then. maybe NZ could afford the shit.

they're kicking the wrong end of the pile.

they say they "don't want people dependent on benefits" and yet they make them dependent on them, by paying fuckall, unless your cuzee bro works at wins, then it's all churchur bro.

rich cunts fuck the system at one end (and for a lot more coin, too) and poor cunts rip it off at the other.

maybe just chuck the fucking system so the poor can rip off the rich directly.

[mashman]

Fortytwo OECD countries, including New Zealand, signed a joint anti tax evasion initiative late last year.

To start when? and is it backdated :devil2:

[Zedder]

To start when? and is it backdated :devil2:

Why? Ya worried about something Masho?

[mashman]

Why? Ya worried about something Masho?

:rofl: nope, I haven't claimed a benefit in about 24 years (spent a while unemployed though and never claimed, always work there if you know where to look eh :shit:) and that was for 6 months whilst I was heavily under the influence of being incapable of working. Dad and Step Mum were none too impressed... meh, I was happy for a while once upon a time :eek:

[Zedder]

:rofl: nope, I haven't claimed a benefit in about 24 years (spent a while unemployed though and never claimed, always work there if you know where to look eh :shit:) and that was for 6 months whilst I was heavily under the influence of being incapable of working. Dad and Step Mum were none too impressed... meh, I was happy for a while once upon a time :eek:

I remember being in a similar situation on a volcanic island in Vanuatu a few years ago. Just living off the land but happy as hell 'cos there was imminent danger of the bloody thing erupting. Those were the days...

[Laava]

We can't - too many fuckin' lazy Kiwis, ones that whinge "they're taking our jobs, they're taking our jobs..waaaa"
But are happy-as to collect the benefit...


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KThDnFOj0Hk

[tri boy]

they're kicking the wrong end of the pile.



I sort of agree with you there.
Maybe they, (the powers that be) could give the bennies a lil kick in the arse, to help motivate them into reality.

And chase the big, (aka corporate crooks) via the serious fraud office so they play the game more fairly.

As with most things in life, everybody is guilty to some extent.
Picking on the weak and disposed is bully boy tactics.

[pete376403]

On Nat Radio this afternoon, Mary Wilson asked Chester Borrows why the wife or partner of fraudsters (such as Rod Petricivich, David Ross, etc) would not be charged in the same way. After all they too must be aware that there's something going on.
Borrows tap danced rather fast around saying it wouldn't be the same, he should have just come straight out and said that these people are probably National supporters.

[Banditbandit]

No wonder the economy is fucked.

Yes - too many rightwingers pulling out knee-jerk reactions ..

[Banditbandit]

plenty of working people do that and yes there are jobs out there, you just have to get your lazy arse out of bed and find one

I already have one - and pay enough tax to pay for two or three benefits ...

[SMOKEU]

Yes - too many rightwingers pulling out knee-jerk reactions ..

No, too many niggers and white trash on long term benefits.

[Banditbandit]

No, too many niggers and white trash on long term benefits.

So ... I doubt that you are the former ... are you the latter then ??? (Or have found a job?)

[MisterD]

Borrows tap danced rather fast around saying it wouldn't be the same

To be fair to him, he's Associate Minister for Social Development and you'll never find any type of minster who'll want to answer questions outside of their own portfolio.

[SMOKEU]

So ... I doubt that you are the former ... are you the latter then ??? (Or have found a job?)

I have various jobs so I'm not on welfare.

[Banditbandit]

I have various jobs so I'm not on welfare.

Congratulations.

[mashman]

I have various jobs so I'm not on welfare.

Just because you see many clients in different positions does not mean you have various jobs. You;re still a homophobic racist cocksucker and that must cost you a pretty penny when choosing your clients.

[nudemetalz]

I know it is a human rights to reproduce,...but when you see a South Auckland solo mother of 8 with kids from various fathers on welfare pleading poverty, but still managing to drink and smoke (not a cheap habit), that annoys me (not insinuating anyone in particular, just a typical example). Like someone said earlier, why have kids if you can't afford them. It us working class that pay for her.

[Banditbandit]

I know it is a human rights to reproduce,...but when you see a South Auckland solo mother of 8 with kids from various fathers on welfare pleading poverty, but still managing to drink and smoke (not a cheap habit), that annoys me (not insinuating anyone in particular, just a typical example). Like someone said earlier, why have kids if you can't afford them. It us working class that pay for her.

Sorry - but she's working class too ...

But yeah .. that sort of thing does piss me off .. I Just have bugger all idea of what to do about it ... if you punish her in a monetary way it's the kids who suffer because there's not enough food ... and are at risk and the cycle is reproduced ...

People do have a right to reproduce (well, except for some shitheads here - but I'm sure we could argue for days who they would be ... :bitchslap:) ... but by the time they have eight kids it's too late to do much except make sure the kids are fed, clean and go to school ...

It's a tricky one .. I know people here think I'm a liberal - I'm not ... I can just see the problems soem suggested solutins will create instead .. and I have bugger all idea what the best answers might be ...

I am horrified at the next generations we have created in our country ...

[Banditbandit]

Just because you see many clients in different positions does not mean you have various jobs. You;re still a homophobic racist cocksucker and that must cost you a pretty penny when choosing your clients.

Oh I don't know ... I know some very big nasty people of "different colour" who think "bugger whitey ..."

[scumdog]

I know it is a human rights to reproduce,...but when you see a South Auckland solo mother of 8 with kids from various fathers on welfare pleading poverty, but still managing to drink and smoke (not a cheap habit), that annoys me (not insinuating anyone in particular, just a typical example). Like someone said earlier, why have kids if you can't afford them. It us working class that pay for her.


Makes me shake my head when somebody I know is on ultra-low income pauses at the check out in the supermarket and moans about "the price of groceries these day" - and I can see a carton of smokes among the instant noodles, bottles on 'no-name' coke and orange juice and 6 loaves of el cheapo white bread...:(

[mashman]

Oh I don't know ... I know some very big nasty people of "different colour" who think "bugger whitey ..."

Can I get a hall pass please sir?

[SMOKEU]

Just because you see many clients in different positions does not mean you have various jobs. You;re still a homophobic racist cocksucker and that must cost you a pretty penny when choosing your clients.

Keep dreaming.