Gang patches

[Mom]

Curious me. Can anyone shed some light on what gang have the traditional patch shape that is yellow writing on black?

I first thought CMA, but then the behaviour did not fit.

I came very close to killing a couple of their members tonight on my way home from work. I feel very lucky to have been overtaking a very nervous and new (I assume) driver that was hugging the fog line and going slowly.

The reason I feel this way is I had started to become just a little frustrated travelling at just under 80 kph behind said driver on the open road for about 5/10 kms.

The first opportunity I got to overtake was up a notorious black spot hill up our way. I believe I saw the speed indicater showing I was doing 79kph as I passed it. Once the overtaking lanes started I booted it and managed to draw alongside said learner on a curve, only to discover these 2 wanker motorcycle riders over the double yellow lines heading straight for me.

Too close to tootle melodiously on my horn or furiously flash my hooters or anything else, I guess sheer experience gave me the chance to avoid the bikes by swerving left into the nervous drivers lane.

I missed her too thankfully, though probably scared the shit out of her.

As for the poor bastard behind me that I could sense was celebrating as I put my boot into overtaking learner, and who was directly behind me at speed, I apologise, and have no idea what was going through his mind.

FFS! That one was the closest.

Anytime I get shit about bikers and how dangerously they ride, I guess I am going to have to admit that there are actually some that go out of their way to scare/piss off and kill other road users.

Wankers!

[Madness]

http://file019.bebo.com/1/large/2007/01/29/15/1172568094a3401255823b874507493l.jpg

[Mom]

pic of inconsiderate road users that are actually lucky to be alive tonight

That be it!

Do they sign some kind of death wish pact when they get to wear the patch?

Fuck, these 2 certainly were trying hard.

[Berries]

Bloody cagers.

[Headbanger]

Niggers MC.

Kill as many as you like, or can.

[gammaguy]

But bike shops love em as they always like to pay cash:motu:

[mulletman]

[QUOTE=Mom;1130508367] furiously flash my hooters or anything else, QUOTE]

This happen often when your pissed....:whistle: off.

[nodrog]

.....I first thought CMA, but then the behaviour did not fit.......

At primary school we used to go to CMA once a month, as they used to meet up in the hall across the road. The teachers took us over there and we got to marvel at the amazing cross stitch and macrame hanging baskets.

I'm guessing they tried to fit into modern culture and became badass at some stage?

[admenk]

Mom,

are you sure it wasn't the "Urenui I'm a hard arse escaped lion MC" ? They're really hard case and should be avoided at all costs, especially if you're a zebra.

[Banditbandit]

That be it!

Do they sign some kind of death wish pact when they get to wear the patch?

Fuck, these 2 certainly were trying hard.

Naa ... not a death wish ... just don't give a fuck ...

[toycollector10]

I was on one of the two lane roundabouts on Johns Road in Christchurch. I had the inner and another car was in the outer lane when Mr Bignuts on his V twin threads the needle between us. It was a very, very close run thing, impressive in a "he's not going to last long riding like that" and for pure wankery, ten out of ten. The sad thing was his GF following him trying to keep up with his overtaking into oncoming traffic and tailgating style of riding.

[cynna]

. The sad thing was his GF following him trying to keep up with his overtaking into oncoming traffic and tailgating style of riding.


he might have been trying to get away from her

[Mom]

I was on one of the two lane roundabouts on Johns Road in Christchurch. I had the inner and another car was in the outer lane when Mr Bignuts on his V twin threads the needle between us. It was a very, very close run thing, impressive in a "he's not going to last long riding like that" and for pure wankery, ten out of ten. The sad thing was his GF following him trying to keep up with his overtaking into oncoming traffic and tailgating style of riding.

NO, this was a 1% er with no concern for his life or the lives of others. His bitch was probably back at HQ servicing the boys.

[Virago]

...furiously flash my hooters...

More likely to cause an accident. Target fixation 'n' all that... :innocent:

[_Shrek_]

flash my hooters....

hooters :drool: gotta have pic's

[Banditbandit]

what gets me is why they are born!:brick:


YES !!! So do we. Many of us think "We did not ask to be born ... when did we agree to live by your rules !!! No-one even asked!!!"

So we don't give a fuck ... for our lives ... or for yours ... (and now you're all going to say "And we don't giver a fuck about you either .. which is understandable .. now we don't give a fuck about each other ... but let's get passed that and at least try to break the hate cycle)

Now, I haven't really counted myself as a 1%er since 199something ... when I cut the FTW patch off my leathers .. but I still understand the attitude ...

[Conquiztador]

In the 80's the patched up biker scene was doing well in NZ. Until recently there was a big decline where most of the members were getting old and not much new blood was introduced. That is currently changing and there is a resurrection of the patched up biker going on in NZ. Much can be contributed to the spotlight treatment by the media regarding Ozzy clubs starting chapters in NZ. Another factor would be the increase in unempoyment of youth in NZ.

There is also older "traditional" gangs that have started a MC chapter. And add to it some of the street gangs now proudly wearing their colours on their backs and starting to ride bikes.

The result is more patched up riders on our roads. So better get used to it.

[unstuck]

Punks in patches, now theres a name for my new club.:Punk::Punk:

[sugilite]

I'm hoping to get pumpkin patched, I'll be bad arse then. ;)

[scumdog]

Patched up?
It's so 70's...:yawn:

[Mom]

Patched up?
It's so 70's...:yawn:

Ahem. Without dating myself even more than I already have...

One of the best things from my yoof was hanging around at the local bike workshop. It had no sales division, it was simply a place that bikes got repaired. I had a crush on a boy that worked there :love: Anyways, I used to go there when I was supposed to be at school, or ballroom dancing or the library :innocent:

A lot of 1%ers frequented the place. They were so nice to me. I guess I really was the innocent little school gal, I never felt threatened, or compromised or anything else. Infact, far from it, I was told if anyone gave me shit just to let one of them know and it would be sorted :pinch:

We got offered up a stereo system by one of them (I believe Hells Angel). Really flash unit for the day, radio, casette and record player all in a really nice wooden unit. I accused the guy of it being hot and he denied it! Strongly! It was legit! So we went to look.

He lived at home with his Mom and Dad. Downstairs granted. Went into his pad, and saw a petrol bowser in his room along with said stereo system. He readily boasted him and a couple of "friends" had unbolted the bowser and stolen it, but still said the sound system was legit. We bought it btw.

He was a law student at Auckland Uni. Wonder where he is now?

Life is a funny little thing.

[Katman]

He was a law student at Auckland Uni. Wonder where he is now?


My guess would be - not still patched up.

1% clubs have moved with the times somewhat.

[PrincessBandit]

There is also older "traditional" gangs that have started a MC chapter. And add to it some of the street gangs now proudly wearing their colours on their backs and starting to ride bikes.

The result is more patched up riders on our roads. So better get used to it.

No problem with that. Only becomes a problem when "lawabiding" gets shafted and the badass bikkies (oooh, I mean bikies/bikers) act like they're above the law. (Just like any non-gang rider who does the same).

[Crasherfromwayback]

But bike shops love em as they always like to pay cash:motu:

Not anymore they don't Bro. We have to declare anything over 10k in folding.

[Kickaha]

Not anymore they don't Bro. We have to declare anything over 10k in folding.

What if it was done in payments over several days?

Saw a Epitah rider a couple of days back, first time I've seen a patched rider in about a year

[Crasherfromwayback]

What if it was done in payments over several days?

Saw a Epitah rider a couple of days back, first time I've seen a patched rider in about a year

No problem if it's in dribbles. Most prefer to do HP's now because.

[Banditbandit]

No problem if it's in dribbles. Most prefer to do HP's now because.

Yeah ... the days of dropping brown paper bags filled with $20 notes on your desk and saying "Ill take that one" are long gone ...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah ... the days of dropping brown paper bags filled with $20 notes on your desk and saying "Ill take that one" are long gone ...

Yeah years ago I had some peanut turn up cranked of his face, with 32k in a plastic bag. Only problem was, he had buried it, and it was all sopping wet. You got any idea how long it takes to count 32 k, in used $20's that are all stuck together and all over the show...just like the owner. He was getting cranky as hell, and wanted to simply come back later. As I said to him, "You can't do that sorry mate. If you say there's 32k there, and come back in a couple of hours and I say there's only 25 there...we obviously have a problem. So sit down, chill out and I'll count it!". Took over 2hours and three attempts being so stuck. Fuck did I have a sore thumb afterwards too from trying to seperate it all.

[jellywrestler]

Yeah years ago I had some peanut turn up cranked of his face, with 32k in a plastic bag. Only problem was, he had buried it, and it was all sopping wet. You got any idea how long it takes to count 32 k, in used $20's that are all stuck together and all over the show...just like the owner. He was getting cranky as hell, and wanted to simply come back later. As I said to him, "You can't do that sorry mate. If you say there's 32k there, and come back in a couple of hours and I say there's only 25 there...we obviously have a problem. So sit down, chill out and I'll count it!". Took over 2hours and three attempts being so stuck. Fuck did I have a sore thumb afterwards too from trying to seperate it all.

after reading this story my heart truly bleeds for you Pete

[Crasherfromwayback]

after reading this story my heart truly bleeds for you Pete

lol. Not like the 32k was going into my account mate!

[clonak]

Yeah years ago I had some peanut turn up cranked of his face, with 32k in a plastic bag. Only problem was, he had buried it, and it was all sopping wet. You got any idea how long it takes to count 32 k, in used $20's that are all stuck together and all over the show...just like the owner. He was getting cranky as hell, and wanted to simply come back later. As I said to him, "You can't do that sorry mate. If you say there's 32k there, and come back in a couple of hours and I say there's only 25 there...we obviously have a problem. So sit down, chill out and I'll count it!". Took over 2hours and three attempts being so stuck. Fuck did I have a sore thumb afterwards too from trying to seperate it all.


Surely you could have refused it ? I know a sale is a sale, and a cash sale is better, but surely 1 crack head isnt going to be an issue sales wise if you turn him away... Just gotta worry about him getting pissy and choping your hands off with a ninja sword. :facepalm:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Surely you could have refused it ? I know a sale is a sale, and a cash sale is better, but surely 1 crack head isnt going to be an issue sales wise if you turn him away... Just gotta worry about him getting pissy and choping your hands off with a ninja sword. :facepalm:

Yeah I could've. But it ain't for me to decide who can buy and bike and who can't.

[Paul in NZ]

Yeah I could've. But it ain't for me to decide who can buy and bike and who can't.

Oh fibber - I KNOW you descriminate against people like me with no money ;-)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh fibber - I KNOW you descriminate against people like me with no money ;-)

Like fuck. I'll sell you a bike on no deposit with terms to suit any day mate!

[MIXONE]

Yeah I could've. But it ain't for me to decide who can buy and bike and who can't.

Back in the early 90's in Huntly I was at the gas staion on my old bonnie when a guy on a harley pulled in.He wandered over to me and asked if I knew where to check his oil.I went over to his bike which had less than 100km on the clock and showed him.I then asked what model it was.He looked down at the tank and replied "It's a Harley Davidson vee 2 bro".
This was in April so I knew he must have had a good crop that year.

[Banditbandit]

Like fuck. I'll sell you a bike on no deposit with terms to suit any day mate!

I'm keen ... I wanna '73 ... but terms to suit who ????

[doc]

Looking forward to seeing this patch around. Think it might be the "Canterbury Rubble"


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[Banditbandit]

Could be amusing ... cute chick on the green machine ...

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm keen ... I wanna '73 ... but terms to suit who ????

72. Terms that make us both happy always work just fine.

[Zedder]

Stuff like this is a riding death notice... what gets me is why they are born!:brick:


And why they are allowed to continue living.

[Conquiztador]

Stuff like this is a riding death notice... what gets me is why they are born!:brick:

You suggest selective breeding? As I remember it was trialled in the 40's. But did not take off. At the same time selective culling was also practiced. But this was also deemed a failure. Perhaps your views are very different to what I thought they were...


No problem with that. Only becomes a problem when "lawabiding" gets shafted and the badass bikkies (oooh, I mean bikies/bikers) act like they're above the law. (Just like any non-gang rider who does the same).

Not "above the law". Outside the law I think would better describe their view of the situation.


And why they are allowed to continue living.

Same right as you and I. We have long time ago gone past the stage where we killed off the ones who did not fit in to the society the majority considered the one to pursue.

Perhaps the issue is that most judge bikies based on their own values. The problem here is that what you take for granted and you value most might mean diddly-squat to the bikie in question. It then leads to the assumption that someone who does not value/respect life, education, the law and so on, somehow has less right to exist. The bikie could perhaps have the same view of you?

[Zedder]

You suggest selective breeding? As I remember it was trialled in the 40's. But did not take off. At the same time selective culling was also practiced. But this was also deemed a failure. Perhaps your views are very different to what I thought they were...



Not "above the law". Outside the law I think would better describe their view of the situation.



Same right as you and I. We have long time ago gone past the stage where we killed off the ones who did not fit in to the society the majority considered the one to pursue.

Perhaps the issue is that most judge bikies based on their own values. The problem here is that what you take for granted and you value most might mean diddly-squat to the bikie in question. It then leads to the assumption that someone who does not value/respect life, education, the law and so on, somehow has less right to exist. The bikie could perhaps have the same view of you?


You're probably the wrong person to disuss this topic because from what I've seem on here, you've always been very pro biker gangs.

I don't care about the "human rights" of it, gangs are scum. They're violent, negative and destructive criminals who don't deserve to be alive.

[gijoe1313]

Yeah I could've. But it ain't for me to decide who can buy and bike and who can't.

Ah, but did you offer him a coffee? :msn-wink:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ah, but did you offer him a coffee? :msn-wink:

Nah. He was too amped already mate.

[_Shrek_]

You're probably the wrong person to disuss this topic because from what I've seem on here, you've always been very pro biker gangs.

I don't care about the "human rights" of it, gangs are scum. They're violent, negative and destructive criminals who don't deserve to be alive.

I don't think you know to much about gangs, sure there are a few that are every thing you have mentioned here, but not all,

there are M/C's out here who are nothing like it & I'm not talking just about the christian one's either!!!

even in the 61's, HA's etc... there are some pretty decent guy's amongst them & I'm not a gang/club fan either but have rubbed shoulders over the years

[Zedder]

I don't think you know to much about gangs, sure there are a few that are every thing you have mentioned here, but not all,

there are M/C's out here who are nothing like it & I'm not talking just about the christian one's either!!!

even in the 61's, HA's etc... there are some pretty decent guy's amongst them & I'm not a gang/club fan either but have rubbed shoulders over the years

I didn't write anthing about M/Cs though.

Look up the word "gangs" sometime and have a read of this and other research:http://www.press.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/home/browse-books/forthcoming/notices/template/notice_item.jsp?cid=524535

[Banditbandit]

You're probably the wrong person to disuss this topic because from what I've seem on here, you've always been very pro biker gangs.

I don't care about the "human rights" of it, gangs are scum. They're violent, negative and destructive criminals who don't deserve to be alive.

Well ... we never asked to be born .. and we never agreed to live by your rules ... who the fuck asked us ???

So fuck you too ...

[Banditbandit]

72. [/QUOTE

Whatever .. for an old school bad boy this is pretty ...

http://www.motorcycle.co.nz/sites/default/files/imagecache/motorcycle_listing_thumb/9647_1.jpg

[QUOTE]Terms that make us both happy always work just fine.

Yeah .. that's what I thought .. so no cash down and I'll pay you the full price when I'm 95 wouldn't suit you then ?

[Zedder]

Well ... we never asked to be born .. and we never agreed to live by your rules ... who the fuck asked us ???

So fuck you too ...

That old tired excuse eh. What happened to just choosing good from bad?

[Conquiztador]

You're probably the wrong person to disuss this topic because from what I've seem on here, you've always been very pro biker gangs.

I don't care about the "human rights" of it, gangs are scum. They're violent, negative and destructive criminals who don't deserve to be alive.

So what you are saying is that only the ones who are against bikies are allowed to contribute here? Does not make much of a discussion if all agree... But I can see your logic; if all have same opinion you will not have to justify your view...

[Road kill]

You're probably the wrong person to disuss this topic because from what I've seem on here, you've always been very pro biker gangs.

I don't care about the "human rights" of it, gangs are scum. They're violent, negative and destructive criminals who don't deserve to be alive.

I'm no fan of most of them either but all the same I do think some of them have a place in society because they have more spine and more honor than a shit load of other people "in blue shirts" that I can think of.

A couple of years ago a good friend of mine came home early from work one afternoon to find some people loading his bike an most of his belonging into the back of a small truck.
He fronted them and was almost killed for his trouble.
Get's out of hospital And won't talk about what happened because he knew what the reaction of some of his mates would be.
Then again not long after he gets a call from the President of a well know Club/gang to do some work on his bike.
During the conversation this guy picks up that something is wrong with old mate so pushes him for info.
Old mate eventually lets on whats happened an as good as begs this guy not to get involved an that's the end of the story,,,,until.
A few days later old mate is sitting at home when he hears a vehicle pull up his drive and looks out to see a ute towing a trailor with his bikes and all his gear on board.
Seems the "gang" didn't like the idea of old mate being done over like he'd been so they went around to the property the people that did the dirty deed came from and beat the living shit out of the lot of them.
Then they made them load up all old mates property along with a few extras on to the ute an trailor and then they take the lot back to old mates place.
There were four club/gang members involved and they just rocked up an took care of business no questions asked an nothing expected in return.
Image how our brave police force would of handled it,,,,yeah that's right they would've done nothing,,,,just like they did when my place got burgled.
So who else going to call when the cops do nothing,,,Ghost busters ?

[scumdog]

I'm no fan of most of them either but all the same I do think some of them have a place in society because they have more spine and more honor than a shit load of other people "in blue shirts" that I can think of.

A couple of years ago a good friend of mine came home early from work one afternoon to find some people loading his bike an most of his belonging into the back of a small truck.
He fronted them and was almost killed for his trouble.
Get's out of hospital And won't talk about what happened because he knew what the reaction of some of his mates would be.
Then again not long after he gets a call from the President of a well know Club/gang to do some work on his bike.
During the conversation this guy picks up that something is wrong with old mate so pushes him for info.
Old mate eventually lets on whats happened an as good as begs this guy not to get involved an that's the end of the story,,,,until.
A few days later old mate is sitting at home when he hears a vehicle pull up his drive and looks out to see a ute towing a trailor with his bikes and all his gear on board.
Seems the "gang" didn't like the idea of old mate being done over like he'd been so they went around to the property the people that did the dirty deed came from and beat the living shit out of the lot of them.
Then they made them load up all old mates property along with a few extras on to the ute an trailor and then they take the lot back to old mates place.
There were four club/gang members involved and they just rocked up an took care of business no questions asked an nothing expected in return.
Image how our brave police force would of handled it,,,,yeah that's right they would've done nothing,,,,just like they did when my place got burgled.
So who else going to call when the cops do nothing,,,Ghost busters ?

Wow!:rolleyes:

[Zedder]

So what you are saying is that only the ones who are against bikies are allowed to contribute here? Does not make much of a discussion if all agree... But I can see your logic; if all have same opinion you will not have to justify your view...

Nope, I'm saying you like them a lot (even respect them) and I don't.

You're very unlikely to change and I certainly won't. Therefore, it's pointless discussing it.

[Zedder]

I'm no fan of most of them either but all the same I do think some of them have a place in society because they have more spine and more honor than a shit load of other people "in blue shirts" that I can think of.

A couple of years ago a good friend of mine came home early from work one afternoon to find some people loading his bike an most of his belonging into the back of a small truck.
He fronted them and was almost killed for his trouble.
Get's out of hospital And won't talk about what happened because he knew what the reaction of some of his mates would be.
Then again not long after he gets a call from the President of a well know Club/gang to do some work on his bike.
During the conversation this guy picks up that something is wrong with old mate so pushes him for info.
Old mate eventually lets on whats happened an as good as begs this guy not to get involved an that's the end of the story,,,,until.
A few days later old mate is sitting at home when he hears a vehicle pull up his drive and looks out to see a ute towing a trailor with his bikes and all his gear on board.
Seems the "gang" didn't like the idea of old mate being done over like he'd been so they went around to the property the people that did the dirty deed came from and beat the living shit out of the lot of them.
Then they made them load up all old mates property along with a few extras on to the ute an trailor and then they take the lot back to old mates place.
There were four club/gang members involved and they just rocked up an took care of business no questions asked an nothing expected in return.
Image how our brave police force would of handled it,,,,yeah that's right they would've done nothing,,,,just like they did when my place got burgled.
So who else going to call when the cops do nothing,,,Ghost busters ?

So the gang added Police work to their range of talents...

[RoscoP]

It is healthy to hear other points of view even if you don't agree with them. There is always middle ground. I actually am of the opinion that m/c's are a broad slice of personalities both good and bad. There are people in my local cossie club who have criminal convictions and some with numerous traffic convictions and some involved with using illegal drugs but I don't see any crusades against them. M/C's are an easy and popular target for the lazy media here in NZ. and generally not interested in public debates so hey lets make an example of them. Then we'll get to the queers and the jews and the rats and the coons (in the words of Pink Floyd) Peace brother and show some tolerance

[Conquiztador]

Nope, I'm saying you like them a lot (even respect them) and I don't.

You're very unlikely to change and I certainly won't. Therefore, it's pointless discussing it.

Here your statement: "You're probably the wrong person to disuss this topic because from what I've seem on here, you've always been very pro biker gangs. "

The way I do read that is, that as I am pro-bikie I should not discuss this topic on here. Or perhaps the wording was poorly selected by you, and you meant something else?

No, I wont change my view. I hate rapists, child molesters, thieves, assholes, idiots and the ones word you can't trust. I have come across many of them in our society. But very few in the bikie scene. But that does not mean I throw a blanket over society and judge them all based on the fuckwits that moves in their group. But you clearly do this with the bikies (or as you prefer to call them: Gangs). A fraction more open-mindness might help you in life.

[Zedder]

It is healthy to hear other points of view even if you don't agree with them. There is always middle ground. I actually am of the opinion that m/c's are a broad slice of personalities both good and bad. There are people in my local cossie club who have criminal convictions and some with numerous traffic convictions and some involved with using illegal drugs but I don't see any crusades against them. M/C's are an easy and popular target for the lazy media here in NZ. and generally not interested in public debates so hey lets make an example of them. Then we'll get to the queers and the jews and the rats and the coons (in the words of Pink Floyd) Peace brother and show some tolerance

As I wrote earlier, I already know Conquiztador's point of view and once again, it's not about M/Cs.

Also, the people at the Cossie club with the convictions you wrote about probably don't fit the universally accepted profile of gang members.

Peace out and keep up.

[Zedder]

Here your statement: "You're probably the wrong person to disuss this topic because from what I've seem on here, you've always been very pro biker gangs. "

The way I do read that is, that as I am pro-bikie I should not discuss this topic on here. Or perhaps the wording was poorly selected by you, and you meant something else?

No, I wont change my view. I hate rapists, child molesters, thieves, assholes, idiots and the ones word you can't trust. I have come across many of them in our society. But very few in the bikie scene. But that does not mean I throw a blanket over society and judge them all based on the fuckwits that moves in their group. But you clearly do this with the bikies (or as you prefer to call them: Gangs). A fraction more open-mindness might help you in life.

Gangs are gangs regardless of whether they are a bikie, triad or any other type. I didn't name them, it's an official title for groups of people involved in criminal activities which is something bikies are well known for.

Getting your facts right might help you in life.

[Road kill]

So the gang added Police work to their range of talents...

No they helped out a mate in a situation the NZ police are well known for turning their backs on.
Actually unless you've been asleep your whole life you'd know that's not police work anyway.:rolleyes:

[scumdog]

No they helped out a mate in a situation the NZ police are well known for turning their backs on.
Actually unless you've been asleep your whole life you'd know that's not police work anyway.:rolleyes:

Dead right.


'cos Police have Bill of Rights, laws, rules, legislation protocol etc they are required to follow...otherswise it's the IPCA for THEM :msn-wink:

[Conquiztador]

Gangs are gangs regardless of whether they are a bikie, triad or any other type. I didn't name them, it's an official title for groups of people involved in criminal activities which is something bikies are well known for.

Getting your facts right might help you in life.

"Something bikies are well known for". Have you ever considered the possibility that much what you read about them is propaganda provided by the ones who have something to gain by you reading it and believing it? The Red Devils case springs to mind...

If you go back through this thread you will find that it was always about bikie patches and never about "triads or any other type".

[HenryDorsetCase]

"Something bikies are well known for". Have you ever considered the possibility that much what you read about them is propaganda provided by the ones who have something to gain by you reading it and believing it? The Red Devils case springs to mind...


That was very interesting, eh?

[Zedder]

No they helped out a mate in a situation the NZ police are well known for turning their backs on.
Actually unless you've been asleep your whole life you'd know that's not police work anyway.:rolleyes:

I'll make sure I add "Just joking" to any further posts if necessary.

[Zedder]

"Something bikies are well known for". Have you ever considered the possibility that much what you read about them is propaganda provided by the ones who have something to gain by you reading it and believing it? The Red Devils case springs to mind...

If you go back through this thread you will find that it was always about bikie patches and never about "triads or any other type".

Yeah, I'm sure all the charges ever brought against crims were made up by the cops etc and the jails (which we pay for) are full of wrongfully sentenced people.

The Red Devils were still up on criminal charges, the cops overstepped the mark and lost the case. Fair enough too. They'll do it right/lawfully next time hopefully.

One of the words used in the threat title is "gang". It's not about "flower" or "cabbage" patches.

[Gianz]

Curious me. Can anyone shed some light on what gang have the traditional patch shape that is yellow writing on black?

I first thought CMA, but then the behaviour did not fit.

I came very close to killing a couple of their members tonight on my way home from work. I feel very lucky to have been overtaking a very nervous and new (I assume) driver that was hugging the fog line and going slowly.

The reason I feel this way is I had started to become just a little frustrated travelling at just under 80 kph behind said driver on the open road for about 5/10 kms.

The first opportunity I got to overtake was up a notorious black spot hill up our way. I believe I saw the speed indicater showing I was doing 79kph as I passed it. Once the overtaking lanes started I booted it and managed to draw alongside said learner on a curve, only to discover these 2 wanker motorcycle riders over the double yellow lines heading straight for me.

Too close to tootle melodiously on my horn or furiously flash my hooters or anything else, I guess sheer experience gave me the chance to avoid the bikes by swerving left into the nervous drivers lane.

I missed her too thankfully, though probably scared the shit out of her.

As for the poor bastard behind me that I could sense was celebrating as I put my boot into overtaking learner, and who was directly behind me at speed, I apologise, and have no idea what was going through his mind.

FFS! That one was the closest.

Anytime I get shit about bikers and how dangerously they ride, I guess I am going to have to admit that there are actually some that go out of their way to scare/piss off and kill other road users.

Wankers!

Probably women shouldn't drive.

[_Shrek_]

Probably women shouldn't drive.

wonabe trolls :facepalm:

[GrayWolf]

"Something bikies are well known for". Have you ever considered the possibility that much what you read about them is propaganda provided by the ones who have something to gain by you reading it and believing it? The Red Devils case springs to mind...

If you go back through this thread you will find that it was always about bikie patches and never about "triads or any other type".


Probably the reason 'Bikie' Gangs are media targeted so much? Is BECAUSE they are 'high profile' you could walk down the road past a Yakuza and wont know it, well maybe he'll be very smartly dressed. Same for you average? Big time crim. If you look at the 'historical figures' like the Kray's.. usually very well dressed etc, well known locally, etc etc... see a Black Power, Mongrel Mob, Road Knights, Hells Accountants etc etc...they are OBVIOUS even in an area they don't live in, so an easy 'hit' for media/political sensationalising.

[Monkfish]

Probably the reason 'Bikie' Gangs are media targeted so much? Is BECAUSE they are 'high profile' you could walk down the road past a Yakuza and wont know it, well maybe he'll be very smartly dressed. Same for you average? Big time crim. If you look at the 'historical figures' like the Kray's.. usually very well dressed etc, well known locally, etc etc... see a Black Power, Mongrel Mob, Road Knights, Hells Accountants etc etc...they are OBVIOUS even in an area they don't live in, so an easy 'hit' for media/political sensationalising.

Agreed, but playing devils advocate, Some Biker Gangs also, have and premote a Fuck the world attitude.

"Under the radar" organized crime dosnt impeed on socitey (much) because It needs the safety blanket of camoflage that society provides.

Some 1%'ers actively promote being "outlaw" thinking that they are some how different from the rest of us. - I did not ask to be born in New Zealand, nor do I agree with alot of the Laws here, but I obey them (mostly). Because living alongside your fellow man, makes life easier.
This Idea of promoting segregation and excluding oneself form scoiety and the "mainstream" is also why the media is attracted to them.
Who dosent like a story about a rebel?
So although their "Patches" and lifestyle do make them easy target's for the media.. It has to be said that IMHO ,. Its not that they are being targeted, they bring alot of the attention on themselves.

[Zedder]

Probably the reason 'Bikie' Gangs are media targeted so much? Is BECAUSE they are 'high profile' you could walk down the road past a Yakuza and wont know it, well maybe he'll be very smartly dressed. Same for you average? Big time crim. If you look at the 'historical figures' like the Kray's.. usually very well dressed etc, well known locally, etc etc... see a Black Power, Mongrel Mob, Road Knights, Hells Accountants etc etc...they are OBVIOUS even in an area they don't live in, so an easy 'hit' for media/political sensationalising.

"media/political sensationalising"? Don't you think it maybe because they feature quite a bit in criminal activities?

They bring it on themselves and it's not a small problem. Other countries are having the same gang issues but NZ has the most gangs per head of population.

[Banditbandit]

That old tired excuse eh. What happened to just choosing good from bad?

It may be tired to you - but many people still think that ...

And who gets to define "good" and "bad" ???


Gangs are gangs regardless of whether they are a bikie, triad or any other type. I didn't name them, it's an official title for groups of people involved in criminal activities which is something bikies are well known for.

Getting your facts right might help you in life.

Facts? Always in dispute ... do you always accept what the media say? "bikies are well known for" on the basis of what? What the news media tells you? What the police claim??


"Something bikies are well known for". Have you ever considered the possibility that much what you read about them is propaganda provided by the ones who have something to gain by you reading it and believing it? The Red Devils case springs to mind...



Exactly ..


The Red Devils were still up on criminal charges,

That doesn't prove they did anything - all it proves is that the cops thought they did something ...


the cops overstepped the mark and lost the case. Fair enough too. They'll do it right/lawfully next time hopefully.



ANd maybe they won't because there might not be any real evidence of any real crime ...

[Banditbandit]

"media/political sensationalising"? Don't you think it maybe because they feature quite a bit in criminal activities?

Or does it appear they appear to feature quite a bit because the media focusses on them? The media does not ereport all court cases in New ZEaland .. just the ones they think will sell newspapers ...


They bring it on themselves and it's not a small problem. Other countries are having the same gang issues but NZ has the most gangs per head of population.

And why do you think that is? If our country is truely so wonderful why do we have the highest gang numbers per head of population? Why do we have the highest male and teen suicide rate in the world? Why do we have such high levels of drug abuse? Why do we have such high levels of child molestation, child abuse and child murder?

Why do gangs think "Fuck the World" ??? ... Could it possibly be because some of us think the world is fucked ????

[Zedder]

You're the one supposedly in academia, give us all your considerably researched answers. Or is it all in the Treaty of Waitangi somewhere?

Incidently, you're the only one who wrote "So fuck you too" out of all the others. Very reasonable.

[Conquiztador]

"media/political sensationalising"? Don't you think it maybe because they feature quite a bit in criminal activities?

They bring it on themselves and it's not a small problem. Other countries are having the same gang issues but NZ has the most gangs per head of population.

It is a little like anything else. Let's focus on where we can be seen doing things. Let's make the public believe that this IS the biggest issue. As an example if we compare the money spent on lowering the road toll (at approx 400/year in NZ) and the amount spent on lowering the suicide rate (at approx 500/year in NZ) When looking at the money spent we see that our government is spending over $300 mill on making roads safer. Add to that money spent on policing the roads and there will be very little left from $0.5 Billion. Because "The Road toll Must come down". As comparison, to cut suicide rates in NZ $25 million is spent.

And what does this have to do with gangs and back patches you ask? Well, the link is in making us believe that we need to spend the resources in an area that is easy to monitor, police and splash on the front pages. So the propaganda machine is put in place with most of us buying it. If you ask today what is the biggest current criminal issue is in NZ you would most probably learn that most NZ's think it is the gangs. And at the same time white collar crims are fleecing us for billions/year. But they are hard to pinpoint as they do not wear a patch...

[Banditbandit]

You're the one supposedly in academia, give us all your considerably researched answers. Or is it all in the Treaty of Waitangi somewhere?

Incidently, you're the only one who wrote "So fuck you too" out of all the others. Very reasonable.



Yeah ... I did ... and you are taking it out of context ... and it was meant as a stereo-typical 1%er type reaction ...

I didn't come here to be an academic - I do that all fucking day ... I came here to let the 1%er biker side of me run wild .. and occassionally it does just that ...

[Zedder]

It is a little like anything else. Let's focus on where we can be seen doing things. Let's make the public believe that this IS the biggest issue. As an example if we compare the money spent on lowering the road toll (at approx 400/year in NZ) and the amount spent on lowering the suicide rate (at approx 500/year in NZ) When looking at the money spent we see that our government is spending over $300 mill on making roads safer. Add to that money spent on policing the roads and there will be very little left from $0.5 Billion. Because "The Road toll Must come down". As comparison, to cut suicide rates in NZ $25 million is spent.

And what does this have to do with gangs and back patches you ask? Well, the link is in making us believe that we need to spend the resources in an area that is easy to monitor, police and splash on the front pages. So the propaganda machine is put in place with most of us buying it. If you ask today what is the biggest current criminal issue is in NZ you would most probably learn that most NZ's think it is the gangs. And at the same time white collar crims are fleecing us for billions/year. But they are hard to pinpoint as they do not wear a patch...

But work is being done to combat white collar crime. NZ recently signed an agreement, along with 46 other countries, to fight tax evasion etc and there are new policies to stop finance company/banking system rippoffs.

Also, only this week, the class action against the bank fee scam kicked off so it's all good news on that front.

[Banditbandit]

I don't care about the "human rights" of it, gangs are scum. They're violent, negative and destructive criminals who don't deserve to be alive.


Well ... we never asked to be born .. and we never agreed to live by your rules ... who the fuck asked us ???

So fuck you too ...

So heere's the context ... you called us scum ... so I replied with fuck you too ... a steroetypical 1%er reaction ...

Can you see from your words why some us of might hate you as much as you hate us ??? Does that make the world a better place or a worse place? If you did not try to deny us our rights and if you did not call us scum ... then maybe we might not hate you right back .. beause we have no real reason to hate you apart from your characterisiation of us a scum and criminals ...

[Banditbandit]

But work is being done to combat white collar crime. NZ recently signed an agreement, along with 46 other countries, to fight tax evasion etc and there are new policies to stop finance company/banking system rippoffs.

Also, only this week, the class action against the bank fee scam kicked off so it's all good news on that front.

Bwhahahahaha ... such a naive attitude that words on an agreemet is fighting white collar crime ... or that new policies is fighting white collar crime ...

When will we see police using armoured bulldozers and riot guns to get into banks to arrest criminals ???

[Monkfish]

Sooooo back to the Patches topic....

Is their any other members of clubs in NZ that have patches?, and do you feel you are being caught up in this 1% nonsence?

I for one love the Image of 20 riders cruzin down the road all wearing patches, must feel awesome. and I know that their are plenty of clubs that are not 1%. Surley they must enjoy the feeling of unity, without all the rest of the "Baggage" (BS) that a 1% patch might bring.

N.B. while I was living in England, I used to work with a prospect for the Outlaws. (yes I know they are 1%) he was a good kid, but the way he described his club was almost poetic. He most certianly loved it, thats for sure. One thing he said stuck with me though.

- "The feeling you get from riding with all of your mates, in unison with all eyes on you is indescribable. knowing that at that moment in time everyone (weather they like you or not) has to respect you and yours, Its like being temporarily indestructable".

Always wondered what that would feel like.

[Conquiztador]

- "The feeling you get from riding with all of your mates, in unison with all eyes on you is indescribable. knowing that at that moment in time everyone (weather they like you or not) has to respect you and yours, Its like being temporarily indestructable".

Always wondered what that would feel like.

Only one way to find out... :msn-wink:

[Zedder]

So heere's the context ... you called us scum ... so I replied with fuck you too ... a steroetypical 1%er reaction ...

Can you see from your words why some us of might hate you as much as you hate us ??? Does that make the world a better place or a worse place? If you did not try to deny us our rights and if you did not call us scum ... then maybe we might not hate you right back .. beause we have no real reason to hate you apart from your characterisiation of us a scum and criminals ...

So now you're a gang? A gang of one, that's interesting.
Read my post properly, it's about gangs, the concept and existance of them. You just had to jump in and blah blah.

You didn't supply any answers to my earlier post by the way. I think you know way less than you pretend to.

[Zedder]

Bwhahahahaha ... such a naive attitude that words on an agreemet is fighting white collar crime ... or that new policies is fighting white collar crime ...

When will we see police using armoured bulldozers and riot guns to get into banks to arrest criminals ???

So how do you think actions start? It's usually with words and/or writing. Humans don't just do things through telepathy.

[avgas]

$20 to anyone who kills and gang member. (PM me with bank account details if you kill one)

[Banditbandit]

So now you're a gang? A gang of one, that's interesting.
Read my post properly, it's about gangs, the concept and existance of them. You just had to jump in and blah blah.

I never claimed to be a gang .. and I have never claimed to be a member of any club - I refused when I was offered a patch - the clubs have rules !!! Fuck me .. biker rebels with rules!!! What sort of rebellion is that ...

I was much more a loner 1%er ...

I did read your post - you characterise the people I used to ride with and the person I once was as scum - as violent and criminal ... who don't deserve to be alive ... and then you wonder why I jump in ???? Well Doh ...


You didn't supply any answers to my earlier post by the way. I think you know way less than you pretend to.

Oh .. I missed that post with those questions. I will provide answrs if you would be kind enough to repeat your questions to me (or refer to a post number?)

[Banditbandit]

Sooooo back to the Patches topic....

Is their any other members of clubs in NZ that have patches?, and do you feel you are being caught up in this 1% nonsence?

Ulysses has a big logo sometimes seen worn on the back - like a patch but it is a logo - no top and bottom rocker . etc etc .. Ulysses would not want to be seen as a 1%er club - because they are not. There are other similar clubs .. but few use any nd of symbol on the back that might be seen as a patch. Because they don't want the 1%er label ...


I for one love the Image of 20 riders cruzin down the road all wearing patches, must feel awesome. and I know that their are plenty of clubs that are not 1%. Surley they must enjoy the feeling of unity, without all the rest of the "Baggage" (BS) that a 1% patch might bring.

N.B. while I was living in England, I used to work with a prospect for the Outlaws. (yes I know they are 1%) he was a good kid, but the way he described his club was almost poetic. He most certianly loved it, thats for sure. One thing he said stuck with me though.

- "The feeling you get from riding with all of your mates, in unison with all eyes on you is indescribable. knowing that at that moment in time everyone (weather they like you or not) has to respect you and yours, Its like being temporarily indestructable".

Always wondered what that would feel like.

Yeah .. that's a powerful feeling ... just putting on the leathers and cut off and walking down the street - people step aside ... people wil not step aside for you if you are not wearing the gear .. that's a powerful feeling to provoke that sort of response in people ... and the peope who get that feeling would get no respect at all otherwesie .. that's why it's so compelling .. it's a masisve feeling of power available to those who have no other power ...

(and yeah, don't come back with me with "it's not respect it's fear" .. I know that ...)

Riding in a big group now with no patches is not the same .. not even on harley didntson .. because they've become such a middle class bike ..

But there can still be some feeling of unity in the groups ... it depends ont he group and the make up of the peope in that group ...

[GrayWolf]

Sooooo back to the Patches topic....

Is their any other members of clubs in NZ that have patches?, and do you feel you are being caught up in this 1% nonsence?

I for one love the Image of 20 riders cruzin down the road all wearing patches, must feel awesome. and I know that their are plenty of clubs that are not 1%. Surley they must enjoy the feeling of unity, without all the rest of the "Baggage" (BS) that a 1% patch might bring.

N.B. while I was living in England, I used to work with a prospect for the Outlaws. (yes I know they are 1%) he was a good kid, but the way he described his club was almost poetic. He most certianly loved it, thats for sure. One thing he said stuck with me though.

- "The feeling you get from riding with all of your mates, in unison with all eyes on you is indescribable. knowing that at that moment in time everyone (weather they like you or not) has to respect you and yours, Its like being temporarily indestructable".

Always wondered what that would feel like.

yes there are non 1% clubs, but so often they get 'taken down that road'// Good example from UK and a club that STARTED in my youth.. NCC, National Chopper Club..... the originals, were 'outed' in the mid 80's,, and a new breed of club 'officers' stepped in.... They decided that the NCC club logo was going to be a 'back patch' and started to lay down rules/'laws' as to bike type, what THEY considered a 'Chop/Custom, as acceptable to be a 'club member'..... A lot of the 'originals' left.
From a decent open minded club, a change of club officers converted it to a wannabe, 'MATT BLACK n WELL 'ARD' club....FFS
I did and suppose still do, belong to a club from the UK, it was a 'drinking/social/bike/rock n roll club' and we had/have a side patch.. yet the amount of people who would try to 'talk it up' we were a bike gang.... at one point it got the club 'scrutinized' by one of the well known Outlaw clubs in London, not exactly what the club was ever intended to be.

[Zedder]

[QUOTE=Banditbandit;1130515809]I never claimed to be a gang .. and I have never claimed to be a member of any club - I refused when I was offered a patch - the clubs have rules !!! Fuck me .. biker rebels with rules!!! What sort of rebellion is that ...

I was much more a loner 1%er ...

I did read your post - you characterise the people I used to ride with and the person I once was as scum - as violent and criminal ... who don't deserve to be alive ... and then you wonder why I jump in ???? Well Doh ...



Yeah, that's right, you recently wrote about being like Pan the anarchic wild child. However, that's not what Pan represents at all. Also, you wrote you like posting on here and winding people up for your own amusement etc. So what should we believe about you?

[Banditbandit]

So what should we believe about you?

Fuck all mate - fuck all ... it's the interdweb after all ...

I'm just a fucked up human being - like the rest of the people here ...

It's true I ride bikes, it's true I currently own Bandits .. It's true that I once was a bad boy and it is true that I work in tertiary education ... and live in the Eastern Bay of Plenty - It's also true that I'm male and I'm married ...

The rest? what I tell you depends on how I might want you to react ... and I'll never tell you that ..

[scumdog]

S
I for one love the Image of 20 riders cruzin down the road must feel awesome. and I know that their are plenty of clubs that are not 1%. Surley they must enjoy the feeling of unity, without all the rest of the "Baggage" (BS) that a 1% patch might bring.


Always wondered what that would feel like.

Yep, a great feeling - and no need to be part of a gang to do so.

[silver_duck]

I can understand the sense of power from belonging to a group that is generalised by the public as something to fear.
When I first left home and went flatting I found myself in a house of skin heads.
Nice guys, still friends with some of them now... but make no mistake, they were skin heads.
Being young and wanting to belong I cut my hair short (really short) and the difference to how I was percieved when walking down tthe street was incredible.
It was powerful stuff... I kept my hair short for nearly 8 years... not anymore...

Is it really anything more than boys playing tough?

I dont think so.

[Zedder]

Is it really anything more than boys playing tough?

I dont think so.


Who, in their right mind, gets a kick out of making people fear them?

[scumdog]

I

Is it really anything more than boys playing tough?

I dont think so.


For some it's a way of getting self-esteem, to be wanted, to have a feeling of belonging.:(

[Berries]

Who, in their right mind, gets a kick out of making people fear them?
Have you met my wife?

[oneofsix]

Who, in their right mind, gets a kick out of making people fear them?

There be your problem. :rolleyes:

[Zedder]

There be your problem. :rolleyes:

Yep, according to research those people (loose term) aren't "working with a full deck" and like Scumdog wrote, there's other factors involved as well.

[_Shrek_]

aye like belonging to KB :rolleyes:

[oneofsix]

aye like belonging to KB :rolleyes:

too quote Shrek, the original, we are like onions, many layers.

[Zedder]

aye like belonging to KB :rolleyes:

It's hardly what is classed as a gang or even a club though.

[Conquiztador]

It's hardly what is classed as a gang or even a club though.

:Oi:But we have the KB wave!!!

[Zedder]

:Oi:But we have the KB wave!!!

Fair enough.

Incidently, someone on here (Motu I think it was) wrote in another thread about gangs being far more sinister now than in his day.

[Maha]

Stupid gangs and dumb arse club insignia wearing people come across as.............very very needy.
Need to feel wanted, need to feel apart of something other there own pitiful life, need to be directed.. all = needy.

[wharekura]

...need to feel apart of something...
no different to church goers, in that respect

[_Shrek_]

It's hardly what is classed as a gang or even a club though.

:gob: KB's not a club/gang :confused:

[_Shrek_]

no different to church goers, in that respect

I don't think so..... church is a place for help &/or getting the rough edges knocked off... back to Gang patches :corn:

[Road kill]

Who, in their right mind, gets a kick out of making people fear them?

Ask scumdog,,,he'd know.
He's part of the largest group of thugs in the country.

[GrayWolf]

I don't think so..... church is a place for help &/or getting the rough edges knocked off... back to Gang patches :corn:

BACK to Churches, Vs Gangs... lets see

Church, formed to control the masses through fear and ignorance.... do as we say or you go to Hell, we'll burn you as a Witch, excommunicate you from your community, if you go against us or what we say. Control your right to prevent breeding, oh and we'll sodomise you boy children, while 'working in our 'church'.. We'll take a 'collection' at every service, we'll be the ones who will oversee your matrimonial service, We'll be the ones to tell you if you are doing good, or not. We'll tell you what is acceptable behaviour socially. No matter how much good you do or try to do, you will never do enough to be classed as anything other than a lowdown sinner and you'll rely on us to 'cleanse your soul'.......

Gangs....
Formed for a small group to go against the community. leave us alone, or We'll put you through Hell. We'll sell drugs to your children, take a 'collection' from your businesses to protect them. We'll form a local crime syndicate and control your social behaviour.

You know what Shrek??/ There's just a 'few' similarities . In fact by my reckoning, the Church is WAYYYY ahead of the gangs in the 'evil behaviour' stakes.

[Zedder]

I don't think so..... church is a place for help &/or getting the rough edges knocked off... back to Gang patches :corn:

I've also heard that gangs are the result of extraterrestrials manipulating genes by zapping them with energy beams and the 1947 Roswell incident was actually when the first gang was created.

[scumdog]

Ask scumdog,,,he'd know.
He's part of the largest group of thugs in the country.


And don't you fuckin' forget it sonny...:angry2:

[_Shrek_]

BACK to Churches, Vs Gangs... lets see

Church, formed to control the masses through fear and ignorance.... You know what Shrek??/ There's just a 'few' similarities . In fact by my reckoning, the Church is WAYYYY ahead of the gangs in the 'evil behaviour' stakes.

aye can't disagree with that... & it's still going on today.... :facepalm:

guess I was talking about the way I see the Baptist church now

[Road kill]

And don't you fuckin' forget it sonny...:angry2:

Your the public relations officer I take it.
Job well done.:niceone:

[GrayWolf]

Stupid gangs and dumb arse club insignia wearing people come across as.............very very needy.
Need to feel wanted, need to feel apart of something other there own pitiful life, need to be directed.. all = needy.

Stop bringing up HOG in a gang thread......... ooops, HOG, needing to 'belong' APOLOGIES, my bad. :cool::lol::lol:

[The Lone Rider]

I've also heard that gangs are the result of extraterrestrials manipulating genes by zapping them with energy beams and the 1947 Roswell incident was actually when the first gang was created.

Well that can't be right.

Outlaws MC of Chicago were formed in 1935, not to long after Al Capone was jailed and his employees disbanded to other places of employ

[igor]

this is what I love about forums. so many haters. if you meet people face to face and ride a bike we all get on.. its about the ride and the common interest we have.

I joined in behind a group of HD's last weekend. great blokes,may good radar bait.

be a lover not a hater


even that gang scummy is in are not a bad bunch of blokes.

[Zedder]

Well that can't be right.

Outlaws MC of Chicago were formed in 1935, not to long after Al Capone was jailed and his employees disbanded to other places of employ

Not true about the ETs etc? Who would've thought?

[Road kill]

this is what I love about forums. so many haters. if you meet people face to face and ride a bike we all get on.. its about the ride and the common interest we have.

I joined in behind a group of HD's last weekend. great blokes,may good radar bait.

be a lover not a hater


even that gang scummy is in are not a bad bunch of blokes.

You haven't met me.

[Fatt Max]

Stupid gangs and dumb arse club insignia wearing people come across as.............very very needy.
Need to feel wanted, need to feel apart of something other there own pitiful life, need to be directed.. all = needy.

Yeah mate but you fuck with my pie and you are in big trouble.......not really, I'll just have a little cry and go buy another one then....:weep:

[GrayWolf]

this is what I love about forums. so many haters. if you meet people face to face and ride a bike we all get on.. its about the ride and the common interest we have.

I joined in behind a group of HD's last weekend. great blokes,may good radar bait.

be a lover not a hater


even that gang scummy is in are not a bad bunch of blokes.

it's not about 'haters', regardless of good attitude, there are simply shitloads of HD heroes who think their shit doesnt smell, BECAUSE they ride one.... good example for you... regardless of the fact she rides a Can am RT-T (which costs as much as a full dress Hurdley or Beemer)
Vicky went down south to see family, and was on the ferry. The trip over?? several bikes, one HD, they guy on the HD sat and chatted to the others quite normally....
on the way back? She was on a ferry with a group (around 20) HD's being loaded on for a 'rally/meet' 'up North'? Her comment was... The women were acting more like kids, loud, noisy and most of he conversation she overheard, was all around who had drunk who's wine last night. She was the only other 'rider' onboard...not ONE of the so called 'friendly' HD riders even bothered to acknowledge her.... She really doesnt give a shit to be honest, but sadly it goes to show the are a lot of them that fuel this 'bullshit' attitude that goes around.
I've watched it develop since the 80's with the Evo HD's onwards... I've owned Triumphs, BMW and Moto Guzzi, and have never seen this same 'tude' that seems to be 'part' of HD ownership for many.... your right they ARE just a bike, period!

[gdoggt]

Perhaps the issue is that most judge bikies based on their own values. The problem here is that what you take for granted and you value most might mean diddly-squat to the bikie in question. It then leads to the assumption that someone who does not value/respect life, education, the law and so on, somehow has less right to exist. The bikie could perhaps have the same view of you?

Well said.

[gdoggt]

Well ... we never asked to be born .. and we never agreed to live by your rules ... who the fuck asked us ???

So fuck you too ...

Well said also.

[gdoggt]

I'm no fan of most of them either but all the same I do think some of them have a place in society because they have more spine and more honor than a shit load of other people "in blue shirts" that I can think of.

A couple of years ago a good friend of mine came home early from work one afternoon to find some people loading his bike an most of his belonging into the back of a small truck.
He fronted them and was almost killed for his trouble.
Get's out of hospital And won't talk about what happened because he knew what the reaction of some of his mates would be.
Then again not long after he gets a call from the President of a well know Club/gang to do some work on his bike.
During the conversation this guy picks up that something is wrong with old mate so pushes him for info.
Old mate eventually lets on whats happened an as good as begs this guy not to get involved an that's the end of the story,,,,until.
A few days later old mate is sitting at home when he hears a vehicle pull up his drive and looks out to see a ute towing a trailor with his bikes and all his gear on board.
Seems the "gang" didn't like the idea of old mate being done over like he'd been so they went around to the property the people that did the dirty deed came from and beat the living shit out of the lot of them.
Then they made them load up all old mates property along with a few extras on to the ute an trailor and then they take the lot back to old mates place.
There were four club/gang members involved and they just rocked up an took care of business no questions asked an nothing expected in return.
Image how our brave police force would of handled it,,,,yeah that's right they would've done nothing,,,,just like they did when my place got burgled.
So who else going to call when the cops do nothing,,,Ghost busters ?

Well done.

[SMOKEU]

I've watched it develop since the 80's with the Evo HD's onwards... I've owned Triumphs, BMW and Moto Guzzi, and have never seen this same 'tude' that seems to be 'part' of HD ownership for many.... your right they ARE just a bike, period!

That's probably because Harley owners are too ashamed to admit that they got conned out of properly decent bike money for an extremely overweight, archaic, noisy thing that is outperformed by a 20 year old 2 stroke 250 that has seen better days. If you want 40 year old technology, then why not buy a 40 year old bike that's been restored?

[scumdog]

That's probably because Harley owners are too ashamed to admit that they got conned out of properly decent bike money for an extremely overweight, archaic, noisy thing that is outperformed by a 20 year old 2 stroke 250 that has seen better days. If you want 40 year old technology, then why not buy a 40 year old bike that's been restored?

Hey, why should I buy a 40 year old bike with all its technology when I can buy a brand new one with the same technology??
And "outperformed by a 20 year old 2 stroke 250 that has seen better days" - for how many km - 20? - 20,000? - maybe:shifty:
You sir are one of those 'other riders' - you know, the ones that want a Harley-Davidson. (as opposed to the ones that already have one:msn-wink:)

[russd7]

... just putting on the leathers and cut off and walking down the street - people step aside ... people wil not step aside for you if you are not wearing the gear .. that's a powerful feeling to provoke that sort of response in people .
sorry dude but what a load of crap, a few year ago myself and a couple of mates went on a trip up north, one mate needed a money machine so we found one in blenheim, in front of the machine was a large raised garden and there was room on one side for two bikes so i pulled round to the other side and parked my bike, note we were all on sports tourers and it was raining so i had my driz-a-bone over my leathers, there happened to be a gentleman at the cash machine as my mates came in from one side and i came in from the other side, the gentleman hurredly finished his transaction and stuffed his money in his pocket, he then turned towards me and looked at me, then looked over his shoulder at my two mates and promptly turned to walk past them then around on to the road around the raised garden to his car which was parked in front of my bike, he preferred to walk past two smaller guys than past the big guy with a bushy beard and you could smell the fear. really shocked me and it highlighted a few incedents that had happened to me before. i have never belonged to a gang tho i have socialized with a few, i have never had to demand respect from anyone but because of the Image of a gang i was painted with that brush.
having said that i have met some really good guys associated with gangs and i also know some right royal bastards, the same can be said for all walks of life

[SMOKEU]

You sir are one of those 'other riders' - you know, the ones that want a Harley-Davidson. (as opposed to the ones that already have one:msn-wink:)

I think I'll stick to Japanese sports bikes. At least they go around corners properly and put out a decent amount of power for their engine size!

[The Reibz]

Fuck I found a perfect patch for KB members...

http://iforce.co.nz/i/nhsyrvgn.xw3.jpg (http://www.iforce.co.nz/View.aspx?i=nhsyrvgn.xw3.jpg)

[cynna]

Fuck I found a perfect patch for KB members...

\
once smokeu finds a 20 year bike he can afford he will be able to wear that patch

[scumdog]

I think I'll stick to Japanese sports bikes. At least they go around corners properly and put out a decent amount of power for their engine size!

That's all you can afford eh? - ah well we all have budget limits.

And I think you meant 'before their engine sieze'...:nya:

[scumdog]

Fuck I found a perfect patch for KB members...

I think it should have 'Prospect' on it - most here ain't up to earning their rockers & full patch.

[granstar]

My 2c Why patches? A bit of history in this fine book written by an outsider who spent some time inside the 1% circus of Aussie motorcycle clubs not dissimilar to Kiwi clubs, in fact one of the first of the Aussies was formed by two Kiwi brothers, and an insight to disassociation laws (attempts to remove patches).

http://www.amazon.com/The-Brotherhoods-Inside-Outlaw-Motorcycle/dp/1742371221



Iv'e always stepped around motorcycle clubs other than "owner" clubs that similarly the knitting circle rules get too complex and so prefer to ride solo or with a bunch of like minded folk who stick to one rule that is " There shalt be no rules" and i'm in it just for the ride.
Lots of really good people associated with biker clubs, and also a lot that are not so desirable to know unless you have debts to collect:oi-grr:.

As for the near miss, seen it happen by many different types of motorists crossing yellows understand the frustration, even been nabbed myself, you can add "wankers" to all motorists then not just a couple of patched up riders agree really is not best practice.

[BadSarah]

name any grouping of humans you want, there's always arseholes in the mix

[Road kill]

I think it should have 'Prospect' on it - most here ain't up to earning their rockers & full patch.

Well one of the bro's got "offered" a patch,,,,,,,,but he turned it down;)

[unstuck]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5Hb6k8mJkkg/StdP_FmZO8I/AAAAAAAAFp0/qIbH9D_ZcZs/s400/new-zealand-motorcycle-gang-patches.jpg

[scumdog]

(Unstucks piccy of gang patches wot I am not allowed to reproduce or the mods will give me gyp!)

One or two of that crowd ain't so active these days...

[Banditbandit]

sorry dude but what a load of crap, a few year ago myself and a couple of mates went on a trip up north, one mate needed a money machine so we found one in blenheim, in front of the machine was a large raised garden and there was room on one side for two bikes so i pulled round to the other side and parked my bike, note we were all on sports tourers and it was raining so i had my driz-a-bone over my leathers, there happened to be a gentleman at the cash machine as my mates came in from one side and i came in from the other side, the gentleman hurredly finished his transaction and stuffed his money in his pocket, he then turned towards me and looked at me, then looked over his shoulder at my two mates and promptly turned to walk past them then around on to the road around the raised garden to his car which was parked in front of my bike, he preferred to walk past two smaller guys than past the big guy with a bushy beard and you could smell the fear. really shocked me and it highlighted a few incedents that had happened to me before. i have never belonged to a gang tho i have socialized with a few, i have never had to demand respect from anyone but because of the Image of a gang i was painted with that brush.
having said that i have met some really good guys associated with gangs and i also know some right royal bastards, the same can be said for all walks of life

All Good .. but I fail to see how that makes what I said "a load of crap"

[Banditbandit]

Fuck I found a perfect patch for KB members...



Sorry, but your top and bottom rockers should be the other way around ...

[The Reibz]

I claim no credit for the graphic above. I took it from the facebook page "Wiremuz World G"

[duckonin]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5Hb6k8mJkkg/StdP_FmZO8I/AAAAAAAAFp0/qIbH9D_ZcZs/s400/new-zealand-motorcycle-gang-patches.jpg

Well well well looky here, most of all the shit bags in NZ one fucken heap.

[unstuck]

Well well well looky here, most of all the shit bags in NZ one fucken heap.

Nah, theres heaps missing.;)

[duckonin]

Nah, theres heaps missing.;)

Ha ha, you got most of the goodies.;)

[cynna]

name any grouping of humans you want, there's always arseholes in the mix


nope cant think of any arseholes out of the kiwibiker forum members.....

[unstuck]

nope cant think of any arseholes out of the kiwibiker forum members.....

We have not met.;)

[iranana]

That's probably because Harley owners are too ashamed to admit that they got conned out of properly decent bike money for an extremely overweight, archaic, noisy thing that is outperformed by a 20 year old 2 stroke 250 that has seen better days. If you want 40 year old technology, then why not buy a 40 year old bike that's been restored?

'Tis true. I have a friend who rides a HD... it's a loud, farting slug compared to my mosquito two smoke.

[Harry up]

Well well well looky here, most of all the shit bags in NZ one fucken heap.

Brilliant, seems to be a colourful bunch don't you think!

I followed 8 Hell's boys up SH1 earlier this year, I'm reasonably handy on my R1 but these nutters were carving traffic like they were the only one's on the road - I left them to it....

[Banditbandit]

Brilliant, seems to be a colourful bunch don't you think!

I followed 8 Hell's boys up SH1 earlier this year, I'm reasonably handy on my R1 but these nutters were carving traffic like they were the only one's on the road - I left them to it....

Bwhahaaha .. I would have played with them a little bit - just to annoy them ... You can always leave them behind if you need to ...

[granstar]

The real Hells Angels

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6B8tPuW7TwQ/TPYgiiEwtAI/AAAAAAAAS_U/_qt9aro3c0E/s1600/ofmotgangs.jpg

[awa355]

The most feared gang of them all. :Playnice:

Dont fuck with these m#@#kers.
284231 called the All Care & Charm. aka ACC.

[dickie]

there were some gang members wasted in the lindis pass not so long ago they road thru there as if they own both sides of the road according to 2 truck drivers from here ! over taking on blind corners over blind hills etc they hit a car and the cops done the driver of the car which was bullshit in this case ! but they got what was coming to them anyway !

[russd7]

there were some gang members wasted in the lindis pass not so long ago they road thru there as if they own both sides of the road according to 2 truck drivers from here ! over taking on blind corners over blind hills etc they hit a car and the cops done the driver of the car which was bullshit in this case ! but they got what was coming to them anyway !
thats fucken harsh dude, the car in this case was well and truely in the wrong and that could have been myself or any of my friends who ride that road on a regular basis.
i dont know if you have ridden that road or many of the other spectacular roads down south but the loopies in the campers are way worse than any gang member at hogging roads and i see a lot of them

[BIG DOUG]

Dickie,you are a F**KWIT,I knew one of those clubmembers and I can tell you now they where not at fault,it was the chinese girl with no license who was on the wrong side of the road.

[unstuck]

there were some gang members wasted in the lindis pass not so long ago they road thru there as if they own both sides of the road according to 2 truck drivers from here ! over taking on blind corners over blind hills etc they hit a car and the cops done the driver of the car which was bullshit in this case ! but they got what was coming to them anyway !

Dont believe everything you hear, at least do SOME research before you start flapping you gums, or in this case your cum stained fingers.:devil2:

[Crasherfromwayback]

there were some gang members wasted in the lindis pass not so long ago they road thru there as if they own both sides of the road according to 2 truck drivers from here ! over taking on blind corners over blind hills etc they hit a car and the cops done the driver of the car which was bullshit in this case ! but they got what was coming to them anyway !

Wipe your mouth cause you're talking shit.

[avgas]

nope cant think of any arseholes out of the kiwibiker forum members.....
They are still there - they are just bleached

[skippa1]

there were some gang members wasted in the lindis pass not so long ago they road thru there as if they own both sides of the road according to 2 truck drivers from here ! over taking on blind corners over blind hills etc they hit a car and the cops done the driver of the car which was bullshit in this case ! but they got what was coming to them anyway !

Thats a pretty big call pal, you better hope that shit doesn't happen to someone you know, or maybe even you.
fuckin retard

[_Shrek_]

there were some gang members wasted in the lindis pass not so long ago they road thru there as if they own both sides of the road according to 2 truck drivers from here ! over taking on blind corners over blind hills etc they hit a car and the cops done the driver of the car which was bullshit in this case ! but they got what was coming to them anyway !

you're running off at the mouth sonny, I rode there the day after & going by the marks on the road made by the :Police: & the skid marks the girl in the car was on the wrong side of the road, suggest you do your home work before making dumb arse statements like the one above

[AllanB]

I'm no fan of most of them either but all the same I do think some of them have a place in society because they have more spine and more honor than a shit load of other people "in blue shirts" that I can think of.

A couple of years ago a good friend of mine came home early from work one afternoon to find some people loading his bike an most of his belonging into the back of a small truck.
He fronted them and was almost killed for his trouble.
Get's out of hospital And won't talk about what happened because he knew what the reaction of some of his mates would be.
Then again not long after he gets a call from the President of a well know Club/gang to do some work on his bike.
During the conversation this guy picks up that something is wrong with old mate so pushes him for info.
Old mate eventually lets on whats happened an as good as begs this guy not to get involved an that's the end of the story,,,,until.
A few days later old mate is sitting at home when he hears a vehicle pull up his drive and looks out to see a ute towing a trailor with his bikes and all his gear on board.
Seems the "gang" didn't like the idea of old mate being done over like he'd been so they went around to the property the people that did the dirty deed came from and beat the living shit out of the lot of them.
Then they made them load up all old mates property along with a few extras on to the ute an trailor and then they take the lot back to old mates place.
There were four club/gang members involved and they just rocked up an took care of business no questions asked an nothing expected in return.
Image how our brave police force would of handled it,,,,yeah that's right they would've done nothing,,,,just like they did when my place got burgled.
So who else going to call when the cops do nothing,,,Ghost busters ?


Reality is more like: the gang were fucked off with somelse moving in on their patch - sorted him out and decided to return the bike as they had stolen so much good stolen shit of the thief that the bike was offered up as a good pub story to put off any futher competition.......

[dickie]

you're running off at the mouth sonny, I rode there the day after & going by the marks on the road made by the :Police: & the skid marks the girl in the car was on the wrong side of the road, suggest you do your home work before making dumb arse statements like the one above

the way they were riding thru there matey is why other innocent people like us who use that road on alot are killed and that goes for other roads around here stay your own fukn side of the road simple stupid ! and i dont need to do my home work mate i was told by people who were driving thru there on the day i dont give a shit what the marks on the road look like its whats leading up to the accident that matters ! i meet a muppet on the crown range from the north island who thought he could just use all the road as a race track and nearly took me out its simple you cross the line enough your gona die eventualy and take someone else as well

[unstuck]

My tractor got hit by a truck through there by a FUCKWIT truck driver from wanakER. You dont drive a truck do you?:tugger:

[dickie]

My tractor got hit by a truck through there by a FUCKWIT truck driver from wanakER. You dont drive a truck do you?:tugger:

Not a truck driver pal , smart arse

[Banditbandit]

Not a truck driver pal , smart arse

Fuck you're a nasty piece of work aren't you - worse than many of the patched 1%ers I have known ...

[dickie]

Fuck you're a nasty piece of work aren't you - worse than many of the patched 1%ers I have known ...

Nothing nasty in what I said mate I'm not a truck driver and he was takin piss out of me pal !

[unstuck]

Nothing nasty in what I said mate I'm not a truck driver and he was takin piss out of me pal !

No you fucking retarded muppet, I was taking the piss out of you.:motu::facepalm:

[dickie]

Thats a pretty big call pal, you better hope that shit doesn't happen to someone you know, or maybe even you.
fuckin retard

its happened to a friend of mine thats my point when you cross the centre line all the time you gona kill ya self or someone else making that call includes myself staying on my side of the road !no need to get abusive !

[dickie]

No you fucking retarded muppet, I was taking the piss out of you.:motu::facepalm:

what ever !

[The Reibz]

^^ Looks like we got another couple of prospects for the KB patch!!!

http://iforce.co.nz/i/nhsyrvgn.xw3.jpg

[Katman]

While I am in no way commenting on the accident that this thread has suddenly become about, it would be worth considering what must instantly go through a tourist's (who is used to driving on the other side of the road) mind when suddenly confronted by a vehicle on their side of the road.

One would imagine that instinct could well kick in and see them swerving onto the wrong side of the road.

[Banditbandit]

Nothing nasty in what I said mate I'm not a truck driver and he was takin piss out of me pal !

Yeah .. you called him smart arse ... and I'm not your pal !!!

[scumdog]

you're running off at the mouth sonny, I rode there the day after & going by the marks on the road made by the :Police: & the skid marks the girl in the car was on the wrong side of the road, suggest you do your home work before making dumb arse statements like the one above

I got the impression from dickie that the riders had been riding as he said at some stage not long prior to the crash? - but we all know that their riding style had nothing at all to do with the crash.:oi-grr:

Maybe it was two other riders that the truck driver saw???

[scumdog]

Fuck you're a nasty piece of work aren't you - worse than many of the patched 1%ers I have known ...

Sounds like he'll fit right in here on KB...;)

[buggerit]

the way they were riding thru there matey is why other innocent people like us who use that road on alot are killed and that goes for other roads around here stay your own fukn side of the road simple stupid ! and i dont need to do my home work mate i was told by people who were driving thru there on the day i dont give a shit what the marks on the road look like its whats leading up to the accident that matters ! i meet a muppet on the crown range from the north island who thought he could just use all the road as a race track and nearly took me out its simple you cross the line enough your gona die eventualy and take someone else as well

So its OK for a car to cross the centreline and kill a couple of people as long as they have committed some driving offences?I don"t
think their freinds and family would agree with you .

[Banditbandit]

Nothing nasty in what I said mate I'm not a truck driver and he was takin piss out of me pal !


Sounds like he'll fit right in here on KB...;)

Fuck ... the cop likes you ... that's not a good sign at all ...

[dickie]

So its OK for a car to cross the centreline and kill a couple of people as long as they have committed some driving offences?I don"t
think their freinds and family would agree with you .

doesnt matter if its a car or a bike its not good for any ones health to cross the centre line its just some push there luck more than others and yes its the families that have to pick up the pieces which is a shame !thats why i cant understand why some just keep doing it till its to late !

[Laava]

Don't mess with these mofos, they will flick their pills at you and then whack you with their ambulatory aid devices!

[unstuck]

Don't mess with these mofos, they will flick their pills at you and then whack you with their ambulatory aid devices!

I want one of them shirts.:devil2:

[unstuck]

We should have this one as a KB one.:headbang::headbang:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VVUU60ZuIw4/TAZGmFGRcqI/AAAAAAAAADo/EujPx3kb6Io/s1600/lomm1a.jpg

[skippa1]

its happened to a friend of mine thats my point when you cross the centre line all the time you gona kill ya self or someone else making that call includes myself staying on my side of the road !no need to get abusive !
You said it was bullshit that the car driver was charged.....the driver was on the wrong side of the road. You would rather they were let off?
you also said the dead got what they deserved.......you sure about that? You sure they deserved to die?

[russd7]

there were some gang members wasted in the lindis pass not so long ago they road thru there as if they own both sides of the road according to 2 truck drivers from here ! over taking on blind corners over blind hills etc they hit a car and the cops done the driver of the car which was bullshit in this case ! but they got what was coming to them anyway !
seems to me from my experience that not all gang members are arseholes and not all non gangmembers aren't, how do you know these guys were arseholes and deserved to die, who the fuck made you judge, jury and executioner. personally get pissed off when i come round a bend on the milford road or the devils staircase or the lindis, or the catlins, or any number of our excelent riding roads down here and find a loopy stopped in the most idiotic place to take a photo or crossing the centre line to straighten out a corner but i wouldn't wish death on them just for that.
and if you ride your area much you will know exactly what i am talking about