Bikers Memorial Wall

[Ghost Lemur]

It's been mentioned before having a memorial section linked from the homepage, where a photo and brief RIP could be placed for a fallen brothers and sisters.

Has anyone yet put this to SpankMe, or started working on the module themselves. If someone wants to take the lead I'm more than willing to give what little freetime I have to help with coding/testing/etc.

I'm sure it would be relatively painless to hack an existing gallery module to suit the purpose. Each memorial having a heading name/nickname, dates, photo, brief message by next of kin (or another appropriate person), and a link to the thread where condolences can be posted.

[LB]

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Sounds like a wonderful idea GL. I'm not at all "techo" so can't offer to help/set up sorry, but am behind the idea 100%
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[RiderInBlack]

PM'ed Spank about doing this after Sam died. Did not get a reply. It's about time we did something like this. A "Last Post" Thread as a memorial to KB'ers that have past away. Wish I had the nouse to do the IT shit for this. Can someone please do this.

[Riff Raff]

I was thinking the same thing last night and had planned to send a PM to Spank Me to see what his thoughts were. I was thinking more along the lines of it being in the forums area, and people adding photos and memories of that person - more as a celebration of their life so that their memories live on. We know now from experience that the families of fallen bikers do look at all the condolance messages we put up, and we know that must be a comfort to them, so a celebration of their loved one's life would be pretty special for them. I know I'd like to be remembered for the fun things I've done, the friendships I've made, and the occassional good deeds.

[TonyB]

Great idea. I hate to say it, but with around 2,500 members and climbing, it's going to happen more often. We need some way of remembering our fallen mates.

[Sniper]

I like that Idea

[Smorg]

Yeah me to sounds good

[curious george]

Sad to think we need this, but I do think it will bring back fond memories years after the event... :no:

[ManDownUnder]

Likewise here. I like the "last post" idea too - it's sobering to think they were chatting away on whatever topic one minute, and gone the next.

oldfarts last post is like that, flyin's was like that... makes you think about valuing every day

[placidfemme]

This is an awesome idea, I'm all for it

[NodMan]

- it's sobering to think they were chatting away on whatever topic one minute, and gone the next.

oldfarts last post is like that, flyin's was like that... makes you think about valuing every day


SPOT ON dude!!...we are all mortal...we all have to go one day....
and I know that KBers are helping Bruces family so much at the moment and have helped others in the past
BUT further off into the future it gives them/and us something to reflect on at those times when we cant all be there

My employer has a WALL in Wellington but this would be accessible to everyone 24/7....sorry I dont have the skills to set up...... but Im looking for you Mr Spankme

[Big Dave]

I'm against it. Not into it at all.

[ManDownUnder]

I'm against it. Not into it at all.

How come? (not having a go - just trying to understand)

[Big Dave]

How come? (not having a go - just trying to understand)

No dramas, just opinion - Not what I come here for.

[onearmedbandit]

No dramas, just opinion - Not what I come here for.


None of us do Big Dave, but unfortunately it happens. I think if it's tucked away somewhere discreet then it shouldn't cause any offence. I for one think its a good idea, a way to remember our fallen brothers and sisters.

[SpankMe]

What about newbie’s visiting KB looking to get into biking even after their parents telling them it’s too dangerous, and the first thing they look at is a page of dead bikers. :shit:

[placidfemme]

What about newbie’s visiting KB looking to get into biking even after their parents telling them it’s too dangerous, and the first thing they look at is a page of dead bikers. :shit:

Its the reality of biking. People die, just because we are a biking group, theres nothing wrong with us honoring our members that have gone. And it might be good for us too, put our feet back on the ground and gently remind us that we are not bullet proof and immortal.

It wouldn't have to be the main page...

[Badcat]

Its the reality of biking. People die, just because we are a biking group, theres nothing wrong with us honoring our members that have gone. And it might be good for us too, put our feet back on the ground and gently remind us that we are not bullet proof and immortal.

It wouldn't have to be the main page...


yep - it's a reality, and anyone who can't handle the fact shouldn't be riding IMHO
i think it's a good idea, i'd like to think we respected each other enough to honour our fallen friends.

ken

[ManDownUnder]

What about newbie’s visiting KB looking to get into biking even after their parents telling them it’s too dangerous, and the first thing they look at is a page of dead bikers. :shit:

Not first thing... no.

A page where we show respect for them yes.
A page which is moderated yes
A page where their enjoyment of motorcycling is remembered.

Look at Britten, his cause of death was linked to the manufacture of the dream he made a reality. I'll always remember him for his love of bikes and amasing talent - not the mistakes he made in handling carbon fibre.

Ayrton Senna - Died doing what he loved - the guy's still a legend and reference to him is generally one of respect etc.

So too with our friends and family the have died. As has been said I think we need to acknowledge the risks, injuries and deaths that are happening out there. Giving a dose of reality to newbies or "the invincibles" might not be such a bad thing.

That's exactly what happened to me riding home last night. I was alone in the bike and I got to reconsider my options. Father of 2 small kids, risky form of transport, vs my enjoyment and the freedom of motorcycling.

As an option for consideration - is it possible to somehow mark those that have died in the Memeber List? Maybe Bold and Italicise their names, or put some special background on their icon? Something respectful that will also make the situation plain.

MDU

[SixPackBack]

No one has asked........just how many riders have lost there lives, that were attached to KB *not sure he wants to know the answer....searches for cage keys*

[onearmedbandit]

What about newbie’s visiting KB looking to get into biking even after their parents telling them it’s too dangerous, and the first thing they look at is a page of dead bikers. :shit:

That's why I think it should be somewhere discreet, maybe even only open to senior members (which doesn't take much to acheive).

[Paul in NZ]

Jeeze.. Settle down folks..

I'll bet as many bikers are killer by old age or cigarettes as by having accidents...

Everytime I go for a ride I have a couple of mates along with me... Their names mean nothing to the rest of the world but everything to me, having hung on a virtual wall will not dimish or amplify what I personally feel.

The problem I see is that the internet is not a permanent place, eventually even this site will perish and do you really want to hang you memories on a wall like that?

What I would seriously suggest though is that on the members page - the names are preserved but with the comment 'retired' or summat next to them to prevent that persons KB nickname being re used...

Cheers

[Ixion]

None of us do Big Dave, but unfortunately it happens. I think if it's tucked away somewhere discreet then it shouldn't cause any offence. I for one think its a good idea, a way to remember our fallen brothers and sisters.


Doesn't have to be just those killed on a bike. Sooner or later there'll be a KBer die of other causes - cage crash, sickness, old age , drowning. Its not an uncommon feature in clubs and such.

Bear in mind that the average age of KBers is quite high. Sooner or later the reaper catches up anyway.

Those who did die "in the saddle" could maybe be marked separately, as a sort of Roll of Honour.

Doesn't have to be a big drama, just a "We remember with affection our friends who are no longer with us".

I think its a good idea.

[SpankMe]

A duplication of the User Profile Pics (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/usernote.php?do=showpics) with same changes is probably the best way. I'm currently working on the vB3.5 upgrade and will add it to the list of stuff to do for the upgrade.

[raster]

The first thing I saw when I came onto the site was "Stonechucker down" and fighting for his life, didn't put me off, actually made me think WOW what a fantastic bunch of people who really care about each other.

Makes me ride that little more carefully.

If there is a link for each of these to the appropriate thread then if people want they can see the background to each person, need to close these threads off after a set time??

[TonyB]

Ixion, I was about to say something similar. Sooner or later a few KB members will pass on through natural causes or some form of accident not involving bikes- they should be remembered too. Hell if you put 2500 people on a cruise ship, and pampered them and looked after them with the best possible care, sooner or later some of them will still pass on.

[Eurygnomes]

Like Raster, Stonechuckas event was soon after I joined...and it was great to read about it. I recently heard about flyin, and read the events surrounding his demise, and I was similarly reminded of a) my mortality and b) the group of like-minded individuals who both appreciate and love riding bikes, and c) how that group of individuals can pull together and respond quickly with emotion.

That's pretty special.

With regards ot the internet being a temporary thing, I do agree in part. We know the other people on this site via the internet. What's the harm in sharing thoughts/feelings in this manner. Anything that you want to live on in posterity can be sent to the family/friends directly - or they could even print bits out. People who see photos may want to download them to their own hard drives etc. Then each individual is responsible for the memory-joggers and sentiments they wish to keep.

I think it's an appropriate way to say 'cheerio' and would like to be remembered in this manner.

On the members list page, I think changing the font so that they're white on a black background, or having a white cross (non-denominational - I'm thinking like the roadside cross) by their name or something.

I don't like the idea of a roll of honour (apologies to whomever suggested it). It's not honourable to die. It's just a fact of life. That the person died in the saddle (not technically) is irrelevant. Other members who pass through other things ought to be allowed to be treated in the same manner. :)

Just my tuppence worth! :)

[T.I.E]

we all love to ride.
and some will miss the ones that have left us behind.
and some would like to remember there life.
not how they passed away, but how they lived.
i would like to see a page, list, picture of the ones whom have passed.
even though i have not meet them. there is one thing i have in common.
we all love to ride.

[Skunk]

<snip>Just my tuppence worth! :)
And very good tuppence worth too...

[mikey]

im against it. its a good idea and all but on some other biker forums with death wall its kind of turned to shit, like its a good idea, but as its an open forum anyone can say what they want an not everyone has the respect not to.
so you end up with the opposite of the nice ideas an stuff left behind for you an get people going on about what a dick you were an so on on a public forum..

i dont care about newbies coming on here an getting disuaded by the fact people die on bikes. its a FACT. if they will be put off by the risks then its a good thing.

[mikey]

The problem I see is that the internet is not a permanent place, eventually even this site will perish and do you really want to hang you memories on a wall like that?



are you suggesting we carve there names into stone? that be a bit more permanent

[T.I.E]

was thinking one picture one message, and message from someone special, eg family as i believed was mentioned earlier.
keep it simple. and so it does not clog things up on the memorial wall.

[mstriumph]

The dead aren't going to care..

if it brings comfort to the living to do this then i'm in favour of it..

personally, would prefer no crosses or other faith-specific emblems

perhaps SpankMe could run a poll and canvas majority opinion?

[Pwalo]

I've been thinking about this one for a while and I don't think it's a good idea.

I just don't think that it's appropriate to have a wall of remembrance on the KB site. It is always ok to hear about people's accidents, recoveries, or even death, but I think that remembrance is more of a personal or private thing.

I'm not sure that I would like to have my details recorded on any site if I were to be killed whilst riding. I'd really rather that people remembered me for how I was when I was alive.

[ManDownUnder]

I hear ya - but I think we have a good combination in here that would stop that happening.

1) We're a small crowd - the shit stirrers are known and I think there is enough respect in here to minimise that problem
2) We've got some pretty onto it Admins who take a reasonable approach to offensive posts. We've had afew - and they've been pulled.
3) We have asuper admin who can dictate the terms regardless of what anyone else thinks or cares.

I'm confident the final content of that board could be locked down sufficiently but if it risks turning to custard for any reason - no is the time to talk about it. Cheers Mikey

MDU

[Lou Girardin]

I'm with Big Dave and Spank, I don't think a memorial is a good idea at all.
If you knew the departed bikers, you will remember them.

[RiderInBlack]

So where are we with this?

Sounds like we need a poll. Is it possible to e-mail all the users for this and give the results enough time to get in?

If done well and not in everybodies face, I am all for it. For me, it is a way of showing you repects, rather than just trying to remember a rider forever.

For those who are not, if it put as a link or thread, then you don't have to read it if you don't want to.

As for young/new riders being put off, it is important that they are realistic about the risks of riding (and driving for that matter). Personally I feel that if you are not aware of those risks then you should stay off the road.

Ooh, and please don't use crosses unless it is by the request of Family/Close friends. There many riders here with many different beliefs.

[SpankMe]

Added a RIP page to the memberlist. To have someone moved there, send wari or myself a PM. They will need to have a profile picture to be listed.

Wont have time to add options like the abilitiy for members to leave comments and stufff until after I have completed the vB3.5 upgrade.

[ManDownUnder]

Added a RIP page to the memberlist. To have someone moved there, send wari or myself a PM. They will need to have a profile picture to be listed.

Wont have time to add options like the abilitiy for members to leave comments and stufff until after I have completed the vB3.5 upgrade.

Good move - cheers
MDU

[curious george]

Yes, thanks.
I think it could be a nice way to be remembered.

[RiderInBlack]

Thanks Spank:Punk:

I hope we use it wisely.

[T.I.E]

thanks spank,
the choice is upto the user to visit that page or not.
it's nice to remember the ones whom have past on.
i feel its also a good wake up to us all out there. lately there have been to many passing on via bikes from this site or not.
so please be careful and watch out for those idiots.

[Ghost Lemur]

Thanks SpankMe. You're a legend. :niceone:

[Bytor]

Bump

After this weekend's awful events and seeing how it has affected so many people, I really think that we should look at a more prominent Memorial page for our fallen fellow KBers. Just a thought. Maybe Spank, see what the consensus is amongst KB about this. Time does heel, people do forget and we should never forget these wonderful people.

[MSTRS]

Seconded. But not a postable page.

[Kendog]

Gets my vote

[onearmedbandit]

Got mine as well.

[Macktheknife]

Seconded. But not a postable page.

I agree, not postable.
I would be keen to do a rememberance ride once per year too, in fact I might just organise it.

[placidfemme]

As I mentioned before, I'm all for this idea... a few posts back SpankMe said he's made a "RIP" page in the members section... I can't seem to find it...

[Bytor]

I agree, not postable.
I would be keen to do a rememberance ride once per year too, in fact I might just organise it.

Top idea Mack

[Macktheknife]

Top idea Mack

Have started a thread and poll to this effect here
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=39983

[T.I.E]

rip section has quietly vanished.
be nice to have it back. but its upto spank.
its gonna be a hard one.

[Bend-it]

Yup, I think it'll be cool to remember the fallen ones among us somewhere on the site...

[RC1]

but as its an open forum anyone can say what they want
this is not entirely true some comments are stomped on before getting on, then others on this site can get away with just about anything so it seems

[Skyryder]

I think it is a good idea to have some kind of rememberance thing. Many of us will never meet but that is not the point. We know each other online and that to me is where my respect is to those that I have never met.

I don't think that there needs to be to much personal information but I'd like to see the forum name, date joined and perhaps the number of posts etc.

Just some thoughts on this.



Skyryder

[Maha]

No dramas, just opinion - Not what I come here for.

Im with you 100% on this one BD. Its been a bastard last 4 weeks or so and i have now stoped looking at all associated threads, have said what have to say on them and thats that. Emotions get in the way of logic sometimes, and while rememberance is a great thing, i dont really need to view tragedy everytime i log on...IMHO.

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

I support a memorial page. As Paul said preserve their "KB name" put deceased - tell it like it is. As for newbies if they look at it - don't mollycoddle them. Life isn't fair, or nice all the time. Accidents happen to even the best of riders - it can have a positive affect to be careful. Not remain ignorant of the risks of motorcycling and life can be very short indeed.

[98tls]

nope not me.......i think its bullshit to be even talking about this kind of thing at this stage........the victims of the weekends carnage havent even been laid to rest and this is being talked about in a place where they loved to spend time....for those that knew these guys...i didnt.....i dont believe need a wall of doom to remember them...they will always remember them.they sounded like great guys and am sure that they would want people to remember them in there hearts and minds rather than have there name on a roll of sad and preferably forgettable incidents.........especially in a place they liked to spend time in............

[Hellraiser]

nope not me.......i think its bullshit to be even talking about this kind of thing at this stage........the victims of the weekends carnage havent even been laid to rest and this is being talked about in a place where they loved to spend time....for those that knew these guys...i didnt.....i dont believe need a wall of doom to remember them...they will always remember them.they sounded like great guys and am sure that they would want people to remember them in there hearts and minds rather than have there name on a roll of sad and preferably forgettable incidents.........especially in a place they liked to spend time in............

I agree, a simple R.I.P next to there Kber Name in the members list should be enough not so that we remember them but more for the newbies that try and contact them in the future.

Death is not something to fear, Death is not taboo, death is a fact of life.

Let us not forget them and let us not mourn our loss, lets be happy that they did not suffer and get on whith our own short little lives.

[mstriumph]

What about newbie’s visiting KB looking to get into biking even after their parents telling them it’s too dangerous, and the first thing they look at is a page of dead bikers. :shit:

page available to senior members only should fix that?

....... i'm for it
i'm not sentimental
but
it can't hurt the dead
and it may help the living come to terms with what's happened

[dangerous]

I have just read both sides of the story in the previous pages, I under stand both for and against... but fuck it this life is way to short... I say its a good thing

[sunhuntin]

im for it...id like to have my name preserved from others use when i go. in honestly...i have great respect for the member here, and any death hit too close to home. it would be a good thing for newbies to be able to see before they jump on a bike with too much power and wind up the same way. dont molly coddle them....if they want to get into bikes, then chances are they have weighed up the options of life and death and are happy within themselves. people die every day...crossing the street, walking down steps and even giving birth....death stares at us every single day no matter what we do.... to fear death is to have no life.

[Grub]

What about newbie’s visiting KB looking to get into biking even after their parents telling them it’s too dangerous, and the first thing they look at is a page of dead bikers.
Easy ... don't rub their faces in it ... just another part of the site you find if you're looking hard. Hell, you could even hide it if you liked

Grub

[Ixion]

Senior members only?

[Drunken Monkey]

... Hell, you could even hide it if you liked

Grub

Erm, then why bother?

[Grub]

Coz we could pass it on along with the secret KB handshake and wave

[Oakie]

I think it's a good idea and best if it's in a discrete section but without actually being hidden. Non-postable with perhaps a brief description of the person (obit) by someone who knew them.
My 5c

[SpankMe]

The one I setup before was never used so I did not convert it at the next software upgrade. I have set it up again and now it is in the pulldown on the profile pics page. They need to have a profile pic to be displayed. Once added to the fallen bikers group their account will be locked, so If family/friends want to change the profile pic, just send it to me and I will update it.

There are two other bikers in the fallen bikers group from last time I set it up, but they do not have a profile pic setup. They are <a href="/forums/member.php?u=4371">korowetere</a> & <a href="/forums/member.php?u=2599">oldfart</a>.

I will look at adding a link to the condolence thread and a brief note about the person later.

[Ixion]

Flyin' also

[James Deuce]

Thank you Spank Me and Ixion.