Keeping up!

[Mom]

What is this thinking?

How do we stop this insane desire to friggen kill ourselves because we dont have the skills, BUT, we are made to feel we HAVE to keep up?

When did it become OK to have thrown your bike down ( and walked away ) acceptable and a right of some sort of passage?

Who the hell thinks it ok to encourage our new riders to think they HAVE to "keep up".

What is wrong with encouraging them to to ride their own ride, within their abilities, while assuring them they are safe to ride their own ride and NO ONE will offer a hurry up. On the contrary they will be congratulated on how well they are riding, with maybe the odd pointer on looking ahead :innocent:


Nobody should be made to feel they have to keep up. EVER!

[yungatart]

I'm with you there sister.
Those who 'ride their own ride' should not be poked fun at or made to feel less than okay for not keeping up either.

[hayd3n]

yup ride your own ride ,
weather it be track road offroad , go at your own pace not someone elses

[Laava]

Did I miss something?

[Katman]

Afuckingmen.

[blackdog]

Personally, I don't mind sending the odd bike down the road. I am always fully geared up, and don't take lightly the consequences of fucking up in the wrong place at the wrong time.

It has helped me to learn where my limits, and those of my machines are.

The proviso is though, it's on the track or someplace where there is no risk to others. A time and place so to speak.

[FJRider]

Those who 'ride their own ride' should not be poked fun at or made to feel less than okay for not keeping up either.

The motorcyclist that rides with their safety ... (and the safety of other riders in the group) ... foremost in their mind ... will gain more respect, than those that endeavour to prove their awesomeness ... (and usually with the opposite result)

And live longer ....

[bosslady]

If you're in a group and feel you're being forced outsIde of your comfort zone or skill level to "keep up" for fear of ridicule or being left behind. Find another group. Who wants to associate with people who make you feel like you're doing badly? Not me. Fuck em. Ride with people who you gel well with both personally and on the road IMO. In saying that, I see no issue with say a newbie who goes out with someone more experienced. The more experienced rider wants to have fun, go fast on the straights, take the corners at speed, whatever. But as long as the slower person knows they're not expected nor wanted to do that and that after the experienced rider has had their fun they'll slow down and let you catch up, then no problem. I should take a spoon of my own medicine though. Anyway I've ridden with a group where at the end of the ride I felt like shit and wondered why I got into motorbikes in the first place, it's not a good place to be and it's a kick in the proverbial nuts to ones confidence. The truth is, I think most of these more experienced riders forgot what it's like when they first started out.

[Mom]

Personally, ...A time and place so to speak.

ABSOLUTELY! Opps!

But, I am talking about new riders, ones that are likely to be influenced by the people they ride with. Their Peers if you will. Where is it ok to expect them to balls out, at risk of turfing their ride down the tarmac OK?

Shirley we, as more experienced riders, have a responsibility to encourage gaining skills, before cutting loose?

What I see happening is rides that simply expect the new riders to "KEEP UP" or not. They ride alone.

[Zedder]

Did I miss something?

The "How to keep up on a small bike" thread started by Dragon earlier today. (keep up mate, hehe)

[blackdog]

ABSOLUTELY! Opps!

But, I am talking about new riders, ones that are likely to be influenced by the people they ride with. Their Peers if you will. Where is it ok to expect them to balls out, at risk of turfing their ride down the tarmac OK?

Shirley we, as more experienced riders, have a responsibility to encourage gaining skills, before cutting loose?

What I see happening is rides that simply expect the new riders to "KEEP UP" or not. They ride alone.

Agreed. I even participate in the BRONZ learners runs when I can down here.

In those terms, my sole intention is to pass on all the roadcraft experience I have while encouraging safe and sensible riding practice.

Fecking one bottle of cider and I'm way off track. Sorry about that.

[Road kill]

New riders "male" have always over ridden their skills in an effort to keep up or be shown up.
Always have and always will.
To many old people that have forgotten what it once was on this forum.
Time to re-enter the real world huh.

[merv]

What brought this on Mom?

[pzkpfw]

Apart from the Bikeoi, I've only been one real "group ride".

Before the "fun roads" a couple of guys left, who clearly thought the ride wasn't "hard enough". But that was all main road stuff, on which silly speeds in straight lines is just stupid.

Once we were on the "fun roads", the pace seemed quicker, but that was really just about "efficient" riding, on curvy roads. I learned a lot watching the folk in front of me.

On one corner, I got very spooked by a patch of gravel, screwed up and ran wide. The sort of thing where if there just happened to be on coming traffic I'd have been a mess.

There was a slight element in there of me trying to keep up with the people in front, and on the straight before that corner I'd overdone it (my choice) and that didn't help my reaction to the gravel.

The tail-end-Charlie was an experienced rider and saw my cock up. At the next stop, he got the guy who'd invited me along, and the two of them did a good job of querying my state, and making sure that I would keep in my comfort zone. They knew the hazards of trying to keep up with more experienced riders, and did their best to make sure that wouldn't bite me. Encouraging me to ride at my own pace etc. I was well looked after.

Moral of the story: we are responsible for our own actions, but it helps to be in the right group; and when the experienced people give the right advice it makes a huge difference.

[Grant`]

ABSOLUTELY! Opps!

But, I am talking about new riders, ones that are likely to be influenced by the people they ride with. Their Peers if you will. Where is it ok to expect them to balls out, at risk of turfing their ride down the tarmac OK?

Shirley we, as more experienced riders, have a responsibility to encourage gaining skills, before cutting loose?

What I see happening is rides that simply expect the new riders to "KEEP UP" or not. They ride alone.

Its not ok to expect someone will be able to keep up, but when you organise a ride (that isn't designated learner friendly) whose job is it to dictate how a new person rides there ride, if you even know there a new rider... If said new person wants to try and keep up with me for whatever reason is it my fault if they bin there bike....

Prime example was a person who kept up fine with me through Woodcocks road, going at a steady pace but then fell off while zigzagging from take off warming his tyres as well as dragging his brakes after leaving the pub from lunch....

[PrincessBandit]

It's easy to feel pressured into riding outside your ability when you're with people who you don't really know and when you don't have the confidence to "own" your limits. New riders often take upon themselves huge pressures to "do like everyone else is" either unaware that they lack the skills to do so, or acutely aware of this but afraid to highlight their inexperience.

While I'm not suggesting we all have the :grouphug: touchy feelies in every non-solo ride we do, there needs to be some degree or level of understanding between ride participants whereby "riding our own ride" is not looked down on. Either make it clear that the ride is for more experienced riders and that less experienced riders might want to give it a miss this time round, or be prepared to ride alongside that newbie and allow them the extra time/space required by them. (Or where there is a distinct range of hp between participating vehicles and those on the gruntier bikes just take off, oblivious to not-so-powerful steeds, which simply struggle to stay within cooee.)

I would definitely recommend that newer riders either do mostly solo riding OR rides with very small groups of trusted friends who will look out for their best riding interests. Pushing the limits is part of progress, but some take longer than others to advance their skills and shouldn't be made to feel that they're somehow less worthy of being on the road. It's easy for riders who have been doing it for many many years (reactions and reflexes are second nature) to come across as quite intimidating - especially some of the posts to be read in various threads around here. As long as there are posts like Mom's and other members here who champion the cause of individuality there is at least some balance.

[FJRider]

can you hook some up to my bike to make me go faster? weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

GN400's Were built ...

[ducatilover]

GN400's Were built ...

The Dougcati 589SS is getting built, for the GN-giggles ;) http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd379/dirtydoogle/Image286_zps28412a3f.jpg

[Tink]

What is this thinking?

How do we stop this insane desire to friggen kill ourselves because we dont have the skills, BUT, we are made to feel we HAVE to keep up?

When did it become OK to have thrown your bike down ( and walked away ) acceptable and a right of some sort of passage?

Who the hell thinks it ok to encourage our new riders to think they HAVE to "keep up".

What is wrong with encouraging them to to ride their own ride, within their abilities, while assuring them they are safe to ride their own ride and NO ONE will offer a hurry up. On the contrary they will be congratulated on how well they are riding, with maybe the odd pointer on looking ahead :innocent:


Nobody should be made to feel they have to keep up. EVER!


Damn... lol I can never keep up with Boman... so I ride my own ride... have too, no choice...!

[G4L4XY]

Afuckingmen.

Katman agrees end of topic!

A lot of this depends on the person themselves. I ride my own ride and never outside of my comfort zone. Probably one of the best things one can learn is to not ride outside their limits.

o0o I said something smart

[onearmedbandit]

I'm all about riding at your own pace. But I've explained this to others I've ridden with and a few have crashed regardless. I felt guilty despite telling them otherwise. Now I only ride with those I trust.

[iYRe]

for some reason I am usually at the front.. but I dont expect people to keep up with me.. and I dont expect to be able to appease some people's need for speed.

I'll keep an eye out and make sure we stop and wait for peoples... if we're going for a balls out, undie stainer, there wont be any "less able" riders along.. hell.. I should be the least able rider.. that way we're all good :)

[EJK]

The bike infront has the GPS :rolleyes:

On a serious (ish) note, when I was riding a Scorpio/ FXR150, "keeping up" was not even an option if you know what I'm saying.

Now I ride a 10, I'm glad I taught myself the "individualism" to ride my own ride. Some people ride faster than me on smaller bikes and it's all good. I enjoy my ride.

[CHOPPA]

I certainly dont feel the need to keep up with the fast guys on a road ride. No way that you should be exploring your limits on the road either. Gotta love the guys at the pub that are so proud of there lack of chicken strips and the toes of their boots worn through. Makes me cringe watching those guys riding

[ducatilover]

I certainly dont feel the need to keep up with the fast guys on a road ride. No way that you should be exploring your limits on the road either. Gotta love the guys at the pub that are so proud of there lack of chicken strips and the toes of their boots worn through. Makes me cringe watching those guys riding

My favourite is a local-ish chap whom always follows me down one of my favourite roads, I don't ride fast at all, and he beats the living shit out of his Harley-of-some-sort (some big block whale) and then grins at me and tells me "told ya a Harley can keep up with your silly crotch rockets" :lol:
There's no way in hell I'm going to actually put on a real pace because I worry he'll bin it while scraping it across two lanes.

Might 'ave to tell him to take it a bit easy next time? Or destroy him, like a KB warrior

Or, get him an XR1200 so he can legitimately own me

[ducatilover]

:facepalm:

Indeed. I may be a muppet, but it poses a question
What should one do, pull over and let the fellow pass? Keep going at my beige pace? Essentially it's not my fault if somebody who is somehow a worse rider than me crashes

[ducatilover]

Hand on cock much?

:lol: Not the answer Katman. Everyone knows I'm a knob, and anyone who rides with me knows I am genuinely not fast, I have a pace I like and I stick to it.
What would be a good thing to do when somebody is following you dangerously? Fits in to this thread quite well and you are very good at safety advice

Or have you no useful advice?

[Katman]

What would be a good thing to do when somebody is following you dangerously?

Let them pass or take your hand off your cock and ignore them.

[ducatilover]

Let them pass or take your hand off your cock and ignore them.

;) Jolly good, I'll pull over next time I meet him.

I'll keep my hand wrapped tightly around the little bugger, I'm on KB and that's all we do here.

[Katman]

;) Jolly good, I'll pull over next time I meet him.

I'll keep my hand wrapped tightly around the little bugger, I'm on KB and that's all we do here.

See, that wasn't hard now, was it?

[ducatilover]

See, that wasn't hard now, was it?

Not sure how to answer that given the second line of the quote?

Nah, I just wanted you to abuse me. :girlfight: I don't even ride bikes.

[Maha]

I find that keeping up with myself is easy enough, and I am more than happy with that.

[FJRider]

I find that keeping up with myself is easy enough, and I am more than happy with that.

I only just manage to arrive at the same time as myself ... perhaps I need a bigger bike ... :pinch:

[yungatart]

I only just manage to arrive at the same time as myself ... perhaps I need a bigger bike ... :pinch:

Nah...bigger balls and a smaller brain will do it ;)

[Drew]

This will get some red rep for sure.

Lots of us like to go quite quick on the road. I have done something resembling growing up, and calmed down a lot these days, but there is still a desire to get some pace on. Lots of young guys have a similar mind set, and get to where I am by trying to keep up and pushing themselves.

There are safer ways to do it sure, but not as convenient most the time.

I post this to present what is going through the minds of those who cannot be talked out of trying to keep up.

[FJRider]

Lots of us like to go quite quick on the road. I have done something resembling growing up, and calmed down a lot these days, but there is still a desire to get some pace on. Lots of young guys have a similar mind set, and get to where I am by trying to keep up and pushing themselves.



There is a mindset amongst many riders ... that they must keep the riders in front in sight. And on group rides ... you must keep close to them as well.

Knowing where the ride route will take you ... and the next stopping point may reduce the worry level ... but that is up to the individual rider to decide what level of importance "keeping up" is ...

Experienced riders (not always fast riders) also have "keeping up" issues ...

[ducatilover]

This will get some red rep for sure.

Lots of us like to go quite quick on the road. I have done something resembling growing up, and calmed down a lot these days, but there is still a desire to get some pace on. Lots of young guys have a similar mind set, and get to where I am by trying to keep up and pushing themselves.

There are safer ways to do it sure, but not as convenient most the time.

I post this to present what is going through the minds of those who cannot be talked out of trying to keep up.

Oh don't be so honest! Just make up a story of a Harley chasing you to see if Katman has some useful input.

I'm pretty certain most of us who like to get a wriggle on are guilty of trying to keep up. I am ;) trying being the operative word.

[george formby]

Now I only ride with those I trust.

:2thumbsup I concur. Nowt worse than constantly wondering what bit of idiocy somebody in your group will do next. Makes for a tiring, nerve jangling ride. I stop & contemplate my naval nowadays, catch em up later at my own pace. Or I just ride past & take the lead when they stop for petrol.

Recent experience wit n00bs has taught me that following them is better than leading them. It's hard to think for twp people when your leading.

[iYRe]

Some of us, even in our older more mature state still dont like to be left behind... or "come second" (my wife once said to me on a road trip in the car.. do you have to pass everyone! - response, well.. I dont like coming second)

I ride a bicycle, and I am always challenging myself to ride harder, faster, to improve my technique, stamina, fitness, etc.. its the kinda person I am.

When I was younger it got me in lots of trouble, but as I have matured, I've learned that there are times and places you just cant be stupid, and you learn some patience... then there are places you can let your hair down a bit.

Maturity isnt riding slower, its riding smarter. Our job is to teach the young fella's and fellesses by example and by word, when it is appropriate or not..


I see people putting themselves in jeopardy all the time, and blaming everyone else for it (including a guy on the motorway this morning who tried to smash a cars rear vision mirror that annoyed him even though it was his own fault).

[superjackal]

What is this thinking?

How do we stop this insane desire to friggen kill ourselves because we dont have the skills, BUT, we are made to feel we HAVE to keep up?

When did it become OK to have thrown your bike down ( and walked away ) acceptable and a right of some sort of passage?

Who the hell thinks it ok to encourage our new riders to think they HAVE to "keep up".

What is wrong with encouraging them to to ride their own ride, within their abilities, while assuring them they are safe to ride their own ride and NO ONE will offer a hurry up. On the contrary they will be congratulated on how well they are riding, with maybe the odd pointer on looking ahead :innocent:


Nobody should be made to feel they have to keep up. EVER!

Live and let live?

If someone has something to prove or feels they need to "keep up" that's their demon. You can advise, but people are entitled to make their own decisions and bear the consequences. Occasionally they, and innocents, will get hurt, but unless you eventually want to have a barcode stamped on your face at birth, there's not much you can do about it.

Failure is a big part of eventual success and not everybody makes it.

[TheTengTheory]

Live and let live?

If someone has something to prove or feels they need to "keep up" that's their demon. You can advise, but people are entitled to make their own decisions and bear the consequences. Occasionally they, and innocents, will get hurt, but unless you eventually want to have a barcode stamped on your face at birth, there's not much you can do about it.

Failure is a big part of eventual success and not everybody makes it.

I believe natural selection is an appropiate term sir.

[superjackal]

I believe natural selection is an appropiate term sir.

Heh, anyone got a link to the Darwin awards?

[bluninja]

I thought this was a thread about sexual performance in middel age :(

Being a sad muppet, I ride at the pace that is unlikely to see me crash. Even on the track I'd screw up on practice days, but on race days I would ride the pace that meant I finished every race on 2 wheels.

The most difficult thing for me is riding at a slower pace so as not to stretch slower riders that are with me; sometimes I get a rythmn through a set of bends and I'm gone. when you're behind someone slower you just slow down, when you're in front through twisities you suddenly look in the mirrors and thing "Where'd they go?"

[Paul in NZ]

I thought this was a thread about sexual performance in middel age :(

So did I..... Dammit....

One of the advantages of hurling about the place on old munt is that there is zero pressure to perform. Get someplace before someone on a GSXR (whatever) and you are a friggin legend - get there second and 'wadda ya expect - its 40 years old mate" ;) But seriously - Vicki and I do our own thing and I'm in no hurry to end up in a box so we just do what we do and won't be hurried. I'm stubborn like that...

Occasionally - I act like a dork but I am a lot better at hauling myself into line again... Self discipline is an essential tool if you want success in life or to live long as a motorcyclist... Its arguably even more important than brains or ability....

Now - getting back to sexual performance.... A couple of years ago the local DHB ran a series of talks by leading specialists on subjects related to diabetes (as you know I'm a type 1).. They were simply awesome - sports specialists, dieticians etc etc etc. The last one was on Diabetes and pregnancy for women and sexual health for men. Feck - Just me and Vicki, one other guy and a pregnant woman turned up... (we used to get 40 or so).. Anyway - the guy did his talk regardless and it was simply mindblowing. The low down on how Viagra and Cialis (sp) worked plus 'mechanical aids' complete with pictures etc and a whole lot of other topics. Shit I didn't even want to think about naughty bits for a week afterwards (probably couldnt stop laughing) but my god it was interesting... Damn shame there were so few to hear it....

[superjackal]

Being a sad muppet, I ride at the pace that is unlikely to see me crash. Even on the track I'd screw up on practice days, but on race days I would ride the pace that meant I finished every race on 2 wheels.


Having bought a new bike recently I’ve come to realise what sh*t rider I am. I don’t even know how to rev the nuts off it and change up smoothly – it’s all so “new”. Counter steering feels completely different (waaaaaay smoother). I have no real appreciation of the capability of my new brakes. This morning on the motorway I accidentally went way over the speed limit.

Much to learn – at my own pace.

Would do a track day but don’t want to bin my new bike!

[ducatilover]

Would do a track day but don’t want to bin my new bike!

Just do one, at your own pace. ;) great place to learn

[Banditbandit]

Personally, I don't mind sending the odd bike down the road.

Faaark .. I've always put so much love and attention and the bikes are just part of me .. and I've worked hard in the past just to own one (now I'm a top tax bracket earner price is not such a problem - but still ...) I hate sending one down the road ... I hate even watching it fall over ...


But in gerenal terms - Too much testosterone ... of course no one has to keep up ... and everyone needs to ride their own speed ... but the bullshit macho thing kicks in and people push it too hard ...

Then people sit in the pub afterwards telling bullshit stories .. and newer riders don't want to be left out ... so they push it too hard ... and no-one looks after each other on the road ... at least the 1% crews do that ... look after newer riders ... riding as slow as the slowest rider ... and some groups, such as Ulysses, have an officla mentor scheme - so there is someone sitting with new riders to make sure they are OK ...

So don't just leave new riders to fend for themselves ... in the testosterone-fuelled bullshit they will push too hard ...



Heh, anyone got a link to the Darwin awards?

http://www.darwinawards.com/

[chasio]

Having bought a new bike recently I’ve come to realise what sh*t rider I am. I don’t even know how to rev the nuts off it and change up smoothly – it’s all so “new”. Counter steering feels completely different (waaaaaay smoother). I have no real appreciation of the capability of my new brakes. This morning on the motorway I accidentally went way over the speed limit.

Much to learn – at my own pace.

Would do a track day but don’t want to bin my new bike!

Do you mean a track day or a rider training day? Given what you say, the former would be a bad idea IMO. But a well run rider training day may be a good plan.

Something like this (http://www.roadsafe.co.nz/subsidised-training-ride-forever-training) may be $20 extremely well spent (not that I have personally used Roadsafe - others may be able to comment on them). I found that link on rideforever.co.nz (http://rideforever.co.nz/training/) and they have providers offering subsidised training across NZ.

[neels]

I just ride at a pace that suits me to the next meeting point, and if people object to waiting for me they shouldn't invite me in the first place, or send me a text so I'll see when I stop that I took too long and they got bored so carried on.


Recent experience wit n00bs has taught me that following them is better than leading them. It's hard to think for twp people when your leading.
A couple of people suggested this was wrong when I did this with my son, I found it much easier to let him lead at his pace rather than constantly looking in the mirrors, and I could see what he was doing. Made more sense than trying to guess at what was going to work for him.

[Banditbandit]

Some of us, even in our older more mature state still dont like to be left behind... or "come second" (my wife once said to me on a road trip in the car.. do you have to pass everyone! - response, well.. I dont like coming second)

Yeah ... but then ... we have all learnt (I hope) that there is always a faster bike or rider otut here .. so at some point we are all going to come second.


I see people putting themselves in jeopardy all the time.

Yes .. and we need to be sure that we are not contributing to that ...

I had a bike come up behind me a coupe of weeks ago - so of course I opened the throttle ... I'll play with other bikes ay time at all ...

But two corners later he/she wasn't there ... so I backed off .. and was relieved to see the bike come round the corner ... I was worried they had pushed too hard to keep up ... I did stay in front - at about 120 klicks .. rahtrer than the 140 klicks I had been up to when I dropped them off ..

[Zedder]

This will get some red rep for sure.

Lots of us like to go quite quick on the road. I have done something resembling growing up, and calmed down a lot these days, but there is still a desire to get some pace on. Lots of young guys have a similar mind set, and get to where I am by trying to keep up and pushing themselves.

There are safer ways to do it sure, but not as convenient most the time.

I post this to present what is going through the minds of those who cannot be talked out of trying to keep up.


That's certainly not cause for a red repping. Things usually go pear shaped in groups and it's not just with bikers either.

Egos, testosterone, Type A personalities etc are the problem but it's great to see some positive responses and solutions coming through this thread.

[superjackal]

Do you mean a track day or a rider training day? Given what you say, the former would be a bad idea IMO. But a well run rider training day may be a good plan.

Something like this (http://www.roadsafe.co.nz/subsidised-training-ride-forever-training) may be $20 extremely well spent (not that I have personally used Roadsafe - others may be able to comment on them). I found that link on rideforever.co.nz (http://rideforever.co.nz/training/) and they have providers offering subsidised training across NZ.

Track day or riding training. Have been planning to do the rider training. Track days have never appealed to me.

[oneofsix]

Track day or riding training. Have been planning to do the rider training. Track days have never appealed to me.

I'm with you. I have done rider training and it does teach you the limits to your bike but road related. Also talk of road hazards. Not bagging track days, I'm sure they are great for the right rider, but personally think they would more suit riders with track intentions.

[Maha]

Do you mean a track day or a rider training day? Given what you say, the former would be a bad idea IMO. But a well run rider training day may be a good plan.

Something like this (http://www.roadsafe.co.nz/subsidised-training-ride-forever-training) may be $20 extremely well spent (not that I have personally used Roadsafe - others may be able to comment on them). I found that link on rideforever.co.nz (http://rideforever.co.nz/training/) and they have providers offering subsidised training across NZ.

Rider training... learners who use the term 'track day' is all very nice n' all, but the reality is, there is nothing to be learned from a 'track day' by someone on an L plate, its just a bit of fun.
You get out there in the slow group and do as many laps as you can in the alotted time.

[bluninja]

Much to learn – at my own pace.

Would do a track day but don’t want to bin my new bike!

Why would you bin riding round a track? No manhole covers, cowshit, gravel. No vehicles coming the other way. People warning you of hazards round the next corner.

As you said "Much to learn - at my own pace"

[Banditbandit]

This will get some red rep for sure.

Lots of us like to go quite quick on the road. I have done something resembling growing up, and calmed down a lot these days, but there is still a desire to get some pace on. Lots of young guys have a similar mind set, and get to where I am by trying to keep up and pushing themselves.

There are safer ways to do it sure, but not as convenient most the time.

I post this to present what is going through the minds of those who cannot be talked out of trying to keep up.

I'm with Drew ... I thought I'd get slower when I got older ... I didn't ... I still like to get some pace on ... some riders try to keep up with me ... other riders I just wave bye bye and let them go - there's no way I will keep up with them ...

And sometimes I just open the throttle until the other bike starts disappearing backwards ... last time I did that was across the Desert Road after passing a patched member of some 1%er crew ... on a Hinkey Triumph ... He started to disapear backwards when my speedo got to around 190 ...

But I try not to be the one who causes the shit by having other riders try to keep up ... if they are clearly struggling I'll back off ..

[slofox]

If I ride with a group where most of the riders go like hell off up the road, I tend to go slower than I would on my own. Not sure why. Maybe I don't want the embarrassment of arsing off in front of everybody...or behind everybody.

[bosslady]

Rider training... learners who use the term 'track day' is all very nice n' all, but the reality is, there is nothing to be learned from a 'track day' by someone on an L plate, its just a bit of fun.
You get out there in the slow group and do as many laps as you can in the alotted time.

For me, I found a track day good for learning to look around the corner without the distraction of traffic etc. But no, for someone wanting to learn I certainly wouldn't advocate it because no, you don't really learn that much, it's for fun. Money would be better spent on "proper" training.

[TheTengTheory]

For me, I found a track day good for learning to look around the corner without the distraction of traffic etc. But no, for someone wanting to learn I certainly wouldn't advocate it because no, you don't really learn that much, it's for fun. Money would be better spent on "proper" training.

Thats an interesting skill that I'm still tyring to get better at. I look through the corner when I ride but on those long tight bends where you can see the whole bend and beyond I find it slightly nerve wracking to look so far ahead and lose vision of where your bike is actually going....Theoretically because you've already seen the patch of road it should be fine but in practise.....Ass clenching at times.

Looking too far ahead? or just needa man up and practise more?

[bosslady]

Thats an interesting skill that I'm still tyring to get better at. I look through the corner when I ride but on those long tight bends where you can see the whole bend and beyond I find it slightly nerve wracking to look so far ahead and lose vision of where your bike is actually going....Theoretically because you've already seen the patch of road it should be fine but in practise.....Ass clenching at times.

Looking too far ahead? or just needa man up and practise more?

No idea. I don't actually know anything :lol: but I just know what's helped with me, sometimes... But yes it's an odd kind of thing looking where you're going whilst not looking where you are actually going.. IYKWIM

[Katman]

Thats an interesting skill that I'm still tyring to get better at. I look through the corner when I ride but on those long tight bends where you can see the whole bend and beyond I find it slightly nerve wracking to look so far ahead and lose vision of where your bike is actually going....Theoretically because you've already seen the patch of road it should be fine but in practise.....Ass clenching at times.

Looking too far ahead? or just needa man up and practise more?

Don't be concentrating so hard on a point in the distance that you fail to notice things on the side of the road.

[Banditbandit]

Don't be concentrating so hard on a point in the distance that you fail to notice things on the side of the road.

Especially Camera Vans !!!

[FJRider]

Especially Camera Vans !!!

Armco ... sheep ... the edge of the road ... the list goes on ...

[TheTengTheory]

Armco ... sheep ... the edge of the road ... the list goes on ...

What about the beeaauutiful girl in the car you're overtaking?:whistle:

[FJRider]

What about the beeaauutiful girl in the car you're overtaking?:whistle:

What are you thinking ... you ride a honda (think of your reputation). Leave her for the Yamaha riders ...

[ducatilover]

What are you thinking ... you ride a honda (think of your reputation). Leave her for the Yamaha riders ...

You Yamaha fellas always think you're cool. Get a Kawasaki, they get all the box

[SPman]

Learn to ride properly first - road craft before speed - the road is an unforgiving mistress!

[Mom]

I regularly ride as TEC or Momma Duck behind learner riders. Sure, sometimes you can get "held up" even though you are trying to ride at learner pace. I tend to drop right back and let them get on with it. This technique allows me to have a bit of fun in the curves (my styles understand), without making them feel under any pressure to go faster. I will sometimes sit behind and observe, and as many will attest, offer my comments regarding looking through corners at where you want to go, or think about the gear you select approaching corners and the like, and I always comment on how well they are doing (if they are).

I will be all over their arses if a car is being bothersome, and offer up a bit of a buffer if required. We have a ride rule that says if that happens as soon as you can, indicate left, pull over and let said car get past, so as soon as is safe that is what I will do. That surprisingly does not happen very often, which is nice.

What you should never do is pressure someone, by riding their tail pipe, and you should certainly never make them feel they HAVE to go faster.

I understand the testosterone/not wanting to look like a dick etc thing.

I actually believe that we should be much more proactive in encouraging supportive riding.

You look like a soft cock, and really do look like a dick if you ride outside your ability. It is not cool.

Trying to emulate someone who rides faster/betterer or what have you than you, is simply stupid, foolhardy and reckless. That is what I think we need to be addressing. I think we all have a responsibility to encourage people to learn at their own pace, ride at their own pace and get some decent training to boot.

Providing learner friendly rides, is a way for new riders to gain a bit of road craft, in a non threatening environment.

Thankfully our rides are well respected, and we have been fortunate enough to only attract level learners/returners and really cool experienced riders that are happy to join us, and respect our rules.

[Katman]

I actually believe that we should be much more proactive in encouraging supportive riding.


I've always felt the whole 'brotherhood' thing to be a crock of shit.

The manner in which most group rides are conducted (L Angel rides excluded) confirms that.

Instead of being concerned that everyone completes the ride with no adverse issues, deep down people are more concerned with giving others 'the learn'.

Until there is a concerted move towards a group effort to ensure the safety and enjoyment of everyone taking part in a group ride, I'll continue to regard the 'brotherhood' concept as bullshit.

[ducatilover]

Instead of being concerned that everyone completes the ride with no adverse issues, deep down people are more concerned with giving others 'the learn'.


'tis why I ride alone.

And something to do with having no mates

[Mom]

I've always felt the whole 'brotherhood' thing to be a crock of shit.

The manner in which most group rides are conducted (L Angel rides excluded) confirms that.

Instead of being concerned that everyone completes the ride with no adverse issues, deep down people are more conderned with giving others the learn.

Until there is a concerted move towards a group effort to ensure the safety and enjoyment of everyone taking part in a group ride, I'll continue to regard the 'brotherhood' concept as bullshit.

What a concession! And yes I agree with you (probably why we have clased heads so often, you have been preaching to the converted).

You have actually summed up our philosophy really well.

Everyone on the ride has to have had a magic time, and be bursting to get back out there and do it all again. We do everything we possibly can to ensure that happens, right down to putting like riders with like riders and Maha and me taking the real newbies, or the ones that have said they want to ride in the "slow group". We dont ride really slowly infact, we just ride to the ability of our slowest rider. Mostly that is sort of speed limit. No complaints here.

I still support the brotherhood of bikers ideal though :dodge:

[sugilite]

I'm with Drew ... I thought I'd get slower when I got older ... I didn't.

I'm getting slower, and slower, and yet slower on the road. I think the longer I live out rural, the more I see how much actually happens on rural roads is the main driver for me slowing my pace. I have been working constantly on technique and consider myself a better rider now, despite getting slower. :lol: Did a track day and Hampton Downs last year, and still seemed to go ok on the track, riding mid pack in group one on a bike made the 80's haha.

I see a few people saying track days do not teach them much, I'd disagree. While money maybe better spent on doing official ride safe type courses, track days do teach skills that may come in handy in scenarios such as running unexpectedly hot into a corner, you will have a better idea of what your bike can achieve in regards to more lean angle and so on. A car pulls out on you? You will have a better idea just how hard you can hit those brakes. So track days are not a complete waste of time imho.

As for the thread title, "Keeping Up". I like the sound of the rides being organized that nurture a culture of riding your own pace as being the epitome of cool and hats off to those investing in the time to organize them, though I suspect these rides will likely attract people predisposed to being quite sensible, or on the edge of being sensible. I feel Katman has got it right, for the most part lots of noobs, and more experienced riders alike will always be out looking to give someone else "the learn", and I'm not sure that culture will ever completely go away.

[Katman]

...and I'm not sure that culture will ever completely go away.

I've got a few years left in me yet Anthony.

[nerrrd]

I see a few people saying track days do not teach them much, I'd disagree. While money maybe better spent on doing official ride safe type courses, track days do teach skills that may come in handy in scenarios such as running unexpectedly hot into a corner, you will have a better idea of what your bike can achieve in regards to more lean angle and so on. A car pulls out on you? You will have a better idea just how hard you can hit those brakes. So track days are not a complete waste of time imho.



I've done a couple of prorider saferider courses on tracks where they covered this - learning how much further you can lean / how much harder you can brake than you might think you can if you find yourself needing to.

"A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing" I suppose, but for me this was extremely helpful.

[Zedder]

'tis why I ride alone.

And something to do with having no mates

Lol, most of the mates I used to ride with crashed but it's a lot less hassle riding by yourself alright.

[Banditbandit]

I'm getting slower, and slower, and yet slower on the road. I think the longer I live out rural, the more I see how much actually happens on rural roads is the main driver for me slowing my pace.

Meeh ... I got much faster when I lived rurally - no cops for around 50ks of windy rural roads ... much fun going to work every day. Now I live within 1.5ks of state highweay two I am slowing down ..



As for the thread title, "Keeping Up". I like the sound of the rides being organized that nurture a culture of riding your own pace as being the epitome of cool and hats off to those investing in the time to organize them, though I suspect these rides will likely attract people predisposed to being quite sensible, or on the edge of being sensible. I feel Katman has got it right, for the most part lots of noobs, and more experienced riders alike will always be out looking to give someone else "the learn", and I'm not sure that culture will ever completely go away.

No it won't - but then in group rides I ride with groups that acknowledge the culture of mutual support and care on the road - or I don't ride with that group. I've witnessed groups with the as-fast-as-possible mentality - those are the groups when people dump bikes - often hard .. and those groups are dangerous .. I won't ride with them ..


I've always felt the whole 'brotherhood' thing to be a crock of shit.

The manner in which most group rides are conducted (L Angel rides excluded) confirms that.

Instead of being concerned that everyone completes the ride with no adverse issues, deep down people are more concerned with giving others 'the learn'.

Until there is a concerted move towards a group effort to ensure the safety and enjoyment of everyone taking part in a group ride, I'll continue to regard the 'brotherhood' concept as bullshit.

You've seen the wrong groups mate - there are a few out there who don't ride to compete ...

[ducatilover]

Lol, most of the mates I used to ride with crashed but it's a lot less hassle riding by yourself alright.

Yeah I can't be bothered riding with mental bastards, you never know if you'll be running their helmet over through the next corner...

[george formby]

Yeah I can't be bothered riding with mental bastards, you never know if you'll be running their helmet over through the next corner...

Yup.
Somebody said they ride slower with a group like this, shattered bike & rider round the corner is probably the reason. If I get a whiff that I have a Sunday hero in front of me I back right off.
Sticking up their chuff seems to make them ride worse.

[Drew]

I find the only group ride I go on, staying out front is the best way to avoid possible carnage.

Plus I keep the safety brigade happy by not trying to keep up.

[Zedder]

Yeah I can't be bothered riding with mental bastards, you never know if you'll be running their helmet over through the next corner...

Not wanting to start a series of posts about bike crashes, but I don't think anything's worse than coming around a corner to find your mate has crashed.

A guy I know still talks about the one he came across on Coromandel's Kopu-Hikuai road last year.

[ducatilover]

I find the only group ride I go on, staying out front is the best way to avoid possible carnage.

Plus I keep the safety brigade happy by not trying to keep up. I think you might actually be able to ride though? (or not, we are on KB)


Not wanting to start a series of posts about bike crashes, but I don't think anything's worse than coming around a corner to find your mate has crashed.

A guy I know still talks about the one he came across on Coromandel's Kopu-Hikuai road last year.

I've come across a mate and a stretch of road covered in bike, real downer on a ride eh? Bloody selfish of them to go and crash :bleh:

[Katman]

Bloody selfish of them to go and crash :bleh:

Many a true word is said in jest.

How many riders have had their day fucked up beyond belief by having to deal with injuries, or worse, trying to keep a mate alive as he bleeds to death in a ditch beside the road, then having to organise a recovery vehicle, then having to deal with the ongoing trauma, simply because someone couldn't keep it in their pants?

[ducatilover]

Many a true word is said in jest.

How many riders have had their day fucked up beyond belief by having to deal with injuries, or worse, trying to keep a mate alive as he bleeds to death in a ditch beside the road, then having to organise a recovery vehicle, then having to deal with the ongoing trauma, simply because someone couldn't keep it in their pants?

Exactly.


Stop making sense, or I'll have to say something sensible. Or worse, somebody might learn something.

[Banditbandit]

Yeah - it's a real downer on a ride to come around a corner and see heaps of flashing lights (popo, ambo and fire) bent bikes and a big tarpaulin covering someone lying on the road ...

The question is not ARE they dead, but WHO is dead ???

[iYRe]

Yeah ... but then ... we have all learnt (I hope) that there is always a faster bike or rider otut here .. so at some point we are all going to come second.

true




Yes .. and we need to be sure that we are not contributing to that ...

I had a bike come up behind me a coupe of weeks ago - so of course I opened the throttle ... I'll play with other bikes ay time at all ...

But two corners later he/she wasn't there ... so I backed off .. and was relieved to see the bike come round the corner ... I was worried they had pushed too hard to keep up ... I did stay in front - at about 120 klicks .. rahtrer than the 140 klicks I had been up to when I dropped them off ..

We have an unwritten rule amongst the guys I ride with, that the guys who want to go balls out, choose where and when and do it. Those who cant or dont want to catch up, and if they havent caught up, we stop and wait at a convenient and safe location.
Since I tend to be the one organising, if there is someone new, I will have a quiet word and just let them know to ride comfortably and dont worry, we'll wait.

In saying that, we have had dudes on expensive 150+ HP sports bikes turn up, and assume that they can keep up with us old fellas on our ancient old machines.. So now I just crack a chat with any one new, regardless.


A guy once said to me; "I'm kinda picky who I ride with. I can ride fast/mental, but that is my choice. How can I know that you are not going to kill yourself, or me for that matter?" And he was right. Those people who cant keep up by try to, might not just hurt themselves, they might kill themselves, or you...
An anecdote: Was riding out to Kaiaua in the 80's on a GSX1100 with about 10 other guys. Most of the bikes were 750 or less, but there was one other guy on a yamaha 1100 (XS1.1 I think ). He was mental, and a crap rider, and was trying to keep up with an equally mental guy on a Honda 750. The 750 guy passed all 10 of us at warp speed just before some windy bits. The 1.1 guy decided to pass us all ON the windy bits. At one point he was sliding sideways directly into 2 other guys in front of him (who had to come to a complete stop after avoiding him, to prevent ending up in a rock face), and at another point nearly hit a truck coming the other way because he was on the wrong side of a corner. Suffice it to say, he did not get to ride home, or anywhere else, ever, with us. That was a guy, trying to keep up with someone else whom was on a faster betting handling bike, and nearly causing serious injury to other people. THAT is why we should be responsible and make sure people ride within their limits in groups. It's not just them who might get hurt.

[wysper]

Most of the advice here is pretty darn good. This thread hasn't devolved into a slanging match and civility has prevailed.

However I think it will be irrelevant to about 90% of new riders and for a pretty simple reason. A reason that has nothing to do with skill, or machine or talent or anything like that. I believe the biggest reason new riders don't and won't ride their own ride is self confidence (not even riding confidence).
Until a person is strong enough in and of them selves to be the rider they want to be they will be swayed by others and how they think others will perceive them. I am an old grumpy stubborn git now so I will ride at a pace I am happy with all the time. Slows almost everyone else down. So usually I don't ride with anyone else. We live in a beautiful country and I like to see it as I ride by, not just a blur of white and yellow lines.

If you browse here (and any other motorcycle forum) you learn bikes are fast, they split traffic, they are a bit rebellious and dangerous. The talk is of speed, injuries, wheelies, close calls, most bins wins (occassionally). So the expectations of the new riders will be along those lines, even if that isn't why the started. Of course some are naturally inclined thrill seekers and a motorbike can supply that in spades. However it can also be cruisy, smooth, slow, relaxing and a nice way to travel. You will hear much less about that side. (at least that is true in my reading of forums)

So the impression can be that a motorcyclist should be fast, take no shit for any other road user, take risks and finish first.

Is it any wonder the new rider feels the need to 'keep up' regardless of the 'ride your own ride' comments?

Shhesh, I am getting old huh!

[Zedder]

Most of the advice here is pretty darn good. This thread hasn't devolved into a slanging match and civility has prevailed.

However I think it will be irrelevant to about 90% of new riders and for a pretty simple reason. A reason that has nothing to do with skill, or machine or talent or anything like that. I believe the biggest reason new riders don't and won't ride their own ride is self confidence (not even riding confidence).
Until a person is strong enough in and of them selves to be the rider they want to be they will be swayed by others and how they think others will perceive them. I am an old grumpy stubborn git now so I will ride at a pace I am happy with all the time. Slows almost everyone else down. So usually I don't ride with anyone else. We live in a beautiful country and I like to see it as I ride by, not just a blur of white and yellow lines.

If you browse here (and any other motorcycle forum) you learn bikes are fast, they split traffic, they are a bit rebellious and dangerous. The talk is of speed, injuries, wheelies, close calls, most bins wins (occassionally). So the expectations of the new riders will be along those lines, even if that isn't why the started. Of course some are naturally inclined thrill seekers and a motorbike can supply that in spades. However it can also be cruisy, smooth, slow, relaxing and a nice way to travel. You will hear much less about that side. (at least that is true in my reading of forums)

So the impression can be that a motorcyclist should be fast, take no shit for any other road user, take risks and finish first.

Is it any wonder the new rider feels the need to 'keep up' regardless of the 'ride your own ride' comments?

Shhesh, I am getting old huh!

It could be something to do with the type of people attracted to motorbikes also.

[Drew]

Just go faster. Stay out in front, and no one can whine that you're trying to keep up.

[Geeen]

Most of the advice here is pretty darn good. ................
Shhesh, I am getting old huh!

:eek5::crazy: When did you get so smart?? :confused::killingme

[Kickaha]

I find the only group ride I go on, staying out front is the best way to avoid possible carnage.
I thought it was so when you did crash you knew it wouldn't be to long before someone turned up to help you out of the ditch you rode into

Not wanting to start a series of posts about bike crashes, but I don't think anything's worse than coming around a corner to find your mate has crashed.

I dunno, coming a round a corner to find a van filling your lane and knowing you'll be the one crashing would be right up there

This thread hasn't devolved into a slanging match and civility has prevailed.!
I'm sure we can fix that

[FJRider]

Most of the advice here is pretty darn good. This thread hasn't devolved into a slanging match and civility has prevailed.



There's still time ... :killingme

[TheTengTheory]

:Pokey: :lol:

[Mushu]

When you're on a bike you're faced with thousands of decisions that need to be made instinctively, any one of those decisions could kill you if you get it wrong. Drawing a line about what speed is comfortable is one of the simplest of all these decisions.

If you can't draw that line for yourself then you should sell your bike, or keep riding until your luck runs out (the motorcycle, one of the few remaining places dangerous and accessible enough to see Darwinism at work)

I have ridden on a couple of kb rides, got more bad advice than good and had to deal with a few heroes which at that stage made me quite nervous. So I wouldn't go on another and all the group riding I do is with family and friends so no one gets left behind and the less experienced riders go in the middle of the group and I usually take up position as TEC. I enjoy the group rides because I can sit at the back and just cruise without worrying about my speed (which tends to creep up to licence threatening levels quickly when I'm riding solo)

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[Laava]

Just go faster. Stay out in front, and no one can whine that you're trying to keep up.

I agree with Drew about this, you do not want to suck the fun from the quicker riders. I do a lot of group rides with the far north ulysses and we tell people to ride their own ride.. Nobody is riding deliberately slower than they want, we have a TEC and we always stop and have a regroup. Also if we are on backroads or have visitors we use the cornerman system. We don,t have complaints as far as I know!
On the TNR we basically stop on every major turn and wait for the TEC to turn up. This can obviously depend on who is riding and how many.

[Zedder]

[QUOTE=Kickaha;1130512552]

I dunno, coming a round a corner to find a van filling your lane and knowing you'll be the one crashing would be right up there


True, but in the context of riding with mates it's a different situation. Having other people crash when I've been riding with them is not very pleasant.

[Big Dave]

If you don't like the way I ride - stay off the footpath.

[Bass]

Way back at post #41, Drew surprised me by putting up something that I agree with. I hope he'll forgive me if I paraphrase him a little.
Young men and fast machines have always been a bad mix. It's almost programmed into the species that young men are competitive, push the boundaries and are not interested in learning from others mistakes - hell, some of them aren't interested in learning from their own mistakes.
I may have it wrong, but Drew appeared to imply that this cannot be changed. I disagree - it can be changed but it's not easy and I have to admit that there may be a few out there that are beyond help.

I am very much the born again biker. I don't know if the anecdotes regarding this breed are true but in my own case I knew from the outset that my skill level was minimal. I started with a RF 900 and it was 2 months of pottering around before I let the wife on the back.
I set about improving my skills and there were some things I learned along the way that are relevant here: -

1. Good judgement comes from experience. Unfortunately, experience comes from bad judgement.

2. When the guy on the R1 goes around you on the outside of a corner in the twisties, it pays to remember that you are having just as much fun as he is.

3. No matter how many courses and track days I attend, I will NEVER have the skills of people like Drew and his ilk. (See #2 above)

4. Lastly, some time ago, I paid my money and (amongst lots of other stuff) did the Riderskills advanced course. Now while it is largely a roadcraft course and so mostly about staying alive on public roads, I WAS asked what I wanted to learn that day. I responded that I usually found that no matter how hard I tried, I found myself mid corner realising that I could have safely been going quite a bit quicker. Consequently, I wanted to improve my corner approach speed judgement.
In response to this I was given the following exercise, "there are no cops around here - I want you go as fast as you can but don't look at your speedo and don't use your brakes". A nicely twisty piece of road ensued. It was hugely valuable and still is. Obviously it's all about preparation and smoothness but it does several things: -

a. It makes me hard to follow I am told, because there are no brake light signals.
b. It tends to remove all vestiges of chicken strips from the back tyre.
c. Most importantly from my point of view, It makes the ride very comfortable for my wife who is almost always on the back (and who never even notices the chicken strip thing).
d. It probably did nothing for my corner approach speed and I still ride way within the bikes capabilities, but I just don't care any more

[george formby]

a. It makes me hard to follow I am told, because there are no brake light signals.



Heh. That's why I like me twin. Rolling off is like chucking an anchor off the back.
I'm hard to follow too but that is due to a dense oil mist in my wake.

[sugilite]

If people find you hard to follow because your style does not require braking, they are to close. End of story.

[Subike]

I lead to group rides here in CHCH,
On the first ride, 8 bikes There was a learner, I set a paceon the open road, slowing down in places to allow a nicely spaced out group with no one being too close, or too far apart.
everybody enjoyed the ride and commented it was one of the better rides they had been on.
The next ride 2 weeks later I did almost the same, a different destination, but again with learners.
I had three people on large capacity bikes complain that i was going too slow when we got to the destination.
I suggested that they rode home separate to the others as the pace I had set was good for the learners in the group. Problem solved.

Communication.
Being humble and polite with your approach to situations usually is better than being loud and bossy.
Strange that, people tent to listen better, and take on board your ideas.

[Bass]

If people find you hard to follow because your style does not require braking, they are to close. End of story.

There's wisdom in that, no doubt, but it's not the end of the story. I find that I can get a certain amount of useful information about the road ahead from what the guy in front is doing without ever getting him inside my braking distance. If he's not using his brakes however, I do have to be more careful to stay far enough back, it's true

[sugilite]

There's wisdom in that, no doubt, but it's not the end of the story. I find that I can get a certain amount of useful information about the road ahead from what the guy in front is doing without ever getting him inside my braking distance. If he's not using his brakes however, I do have to be more careful to stay far enough back, it's true

While I see what your saying, I never rely on the person in front for road information lest I find myself in the same part of the ditch as them. (I do realize your not saying you solely rely on their info)

[FJRider]

If people find you hard to follow because your style does not require braking, they are to close. End of story.

And be sure to tell them that ...

[Katman]

While I see what your saying, I never rely on the person in front for road information lest I find myself in the same part of the ditch as them. (I do realize your not saying you solely rely on their info)

Being aware of the 'body language' of the rider in front of you can give advance warning of a hazard around the corner.

Sure, no-one should rely solely on that info, but to "never" make use of it is disregarding a very useful tool.

[sugilite]

Being aware of the 'body language' of the rider in front of you can give advance warning of a hazard around the corner.

Sure, no-one should rely solely on that info, but to "never" make use of it is disregarding a very useful tool.

Yep, good point. Just to clarify, I said "never rely", not "never make use of".

[Drew]

Anthony is a better rider than me, I know this from experience on track with him and viewing him from the sidelines.

Most people are no where near as good as him, so I cannot help but wonder at how over thought everyone posting here's riding is.

I pay as little attention to any bike in front of me, as is possible without riding into him. They do not ride like me, and are on different equipment. Shiting myself if they have a moment and I react to their body language, is almost never going to help me.

[Katman]

Shiting myself if they have a moment and I react to their body language, is almost never going to help me.

So if they suddenly react to a hazard on the road that you can't see, you'd ignore the clue they gave you?

[Katman]

Most people are no where near as good as him, so I cannot help but wonder at how over thought everyone posting here's riding is.


Drew, you should go to London and be a motorcycle courier.

If you last 4 years at it you could come back and tell me I over think things.

I bet you wouldn't tell me that though.

I'll be the first to admit that I'd never keep up with Anthony on a track.

We're not talking about track riding here though.

[Deano]

So if they suddenly react to a hazard on the road that you can't see, you'd ignore the clue they gave you?

Agree - Definitely be prepared from body language of the guy ahead of you.

Also, don't rely on their judgement if they are half way round a blind corner (they can see more than you can) and start to overtake a vehicle - it's not an invitation for you to follow - they could be leading you to imminent danger.

There has not been any carnage on the TNR for some considerable time. I trust most of the guys that we ride with, and as Drew says, if you're up the front it is often safer than mid pack with people you don't know.

I like to think the guys are mature enough to ride their own ride and not try to push beyond limits in order to keep up. I always tell younger fellas that turn up to do this.

I'm happy to admit the likes of Drew and Gaz are quicker than me over the Takas - we have a good bunch on the ride and egos are kept in check.

[Mushu]

Drew, you should go to London and be a motorcycle courier.

If you last 4 years at it you could come back and tell me I over think things.

I bet you wouldn't tell me that though.

Does anyone in nz have enough riding experience to be on the road.
I'm not experienced enough to be upset that you throw these comments at me

But you loose a lot of credibility when you wank on the same shit at everyone, Drew is well known to be one of the better riders on KB, and I'm yet to hear anything but your own opinion of your riding.

Much like drew I don't base much of my riding at all on the bike in front, I don't follow their braking points or lines. What I do do is look for signs of him panicking and when I see it I will back right off until I can identify what got him spooked. And i will guarantee that Drew would also take note if he saw a bike in front of him do something unexpected.

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[Katman]

But you loose a lot of credibility when you wank on the same shit at everyone,



Don't talk to me about credibility.

Come back to me when you've been riding a bit longer than a year.

[Deano]

D

I'll be the first to admit that I'd never keep up with Anthony on a track.

We're not talking about track riding here though.

Are you saying you'd keep up with him on the road or just pointing out the difference between the road and track.

[Katman]

Are you saying you'd keep up with him on the road or just pointing out the difference between the road and track.

There's the dickhead coming out in you again Deano.

Who ever said anything about keeping up with him on the road?

I'm saying the road and the track are two totally different environments.

The fact that you'd feel the need to ask the question speak volumes about your intellect.

[Deano]

There's the dickhead coming out in you again Deano.

Who ever said anything about keeping up with him on the road?

I'm saying the road and the track are two totally different environments.

The fact that you'd feel the need to ask the question speak volumes about your intellect.

And here I am trying to understand your point of view and there you go with the bullshit. Good on ya. I've ridden with Anthony on the road and thought you may have too that is all.

Thanks for the reply PM - I won't resort to abuse but I thought you might be more mature actually. I'll leave that to you. I'm going to be the bigger man. I always knew I was to be honest.

[sugilite]

Just for the record, I'm MUCH slower on the road now. Just 2 weekends ago, I was coming down the Rimutakas (1st time in a while) and a guy zooomed past me on an Aprillia, and I just let him go, and was happy to do so :yes:
A major milestone for me, never let anyone do that for 30 years.
Am I growing up? Prob not truth be known, just evolving. I better not be slow on the track though, will find out at Taupo this coming Friday/Saturday. :lol:
Anthony

[bosslady]

Just for the record, I'm MUCH slower on the road now. Just 2 weekends ago, I was coming down the Rimutakas (1st time in a while) and a guy zooomed past me on an Aprillia, and I just let him go, and was happy to do so :yes:
A major milestone for me, never let anyone do that for 30 years.
Am I growing up? Prob not truth be known, just evolving. I better not be slow on the track though, will find out at Taupo this coming Friday/Saturday. :lol:
Anthony

don't forget to say hi, there's no way you will not be able to recognise me!

[sugilite]

don't forget to say hi, there's no way you will not be able to recognise me!
Yes, a woman riding around with her fingers stuck in her ears will be hard to miss ;)

[Deano]

Just for the record, I'm MUCH slower on the road now. Just 2 weekends ago, I was coming down the Rimutakas (1st time in a while) and a guy zooomed past me on an Aprillia, and I just let him go, and was happy to do so :yes:
A major milestone for me, never let anyone do that for 30 years.
Am I growing up? Prob not truth be known, just evolving. I better not be slow on the track though, will find out at Taupo this coming Friday/Saturday. :lol:
Anthony

I don't see any problem with giving it a nudge but staying within your limits. I gave up trying to keep up many years ago - learned the hard way.

[bosslady]

Yes, a woman riding will be hard to miss ;)

fixed for you

[Mushu]

Don't talk to me about credibility.

Come back to me when you've been riding a bit longer than a year.

Go have a look around I guarantee you will find heaps of people who claim to have ridden for decades that can't ride for shit. You can put all the stock you like in time holding a licence.

Kays ridden would be a slightly better indicator of experience but still not even close to a real scale of skill.

You've held a licence for x years, so what my Nana has held her 6f for over 50 years, and really doesn't know anything at all about riding.

A year is quite a long time and given you don't know how often or far I ride let's say, just for a minute, what if I'd spent that year on tour, and what if I raced enduro all my life, or grew up on a farm, and what if I've done every course there is. None of this is actually the case but all of it would have a drastic effect on my current level of skill.
I do hold an Australian bike licence and have done for about 7 years I don't mention it here cos I never did a lot of riding over there on the rd (never owned my own road bike until about a year ago but have owned a couple of trail bikes) so if it's time holding a licence, I've got 7 years of borrowing a bike for a quick ride, but no attempt had been made by me over this time to actually improve, I just enjoyed the odd ride much like most bike owners.

Time in the saddle or kays ridden have very little to do with skill, the content of the ride and analysis of your technique are far bigger factors in skill. I have spent the last year doing the best I can to do these things including taking advice from credible, experienced riders and touring when I can, as well as racking up as many kays as I can find the time to do, what would be the average distance ridden by that average biker in the course of a year. And from looking around the average rider does nothing to analize their riding and as a result would not gain much (or any) skills over the course of that year.



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[Mushu]

I won't resort to abuse but I thought you might be more mature actually. I'll leave that to you. I'm going to be the bigger man. I always knew I was to be honest.

lols deano, you thought the biggest mouth on KB would show any sort of maturity. On the other hand kb would be boring without him. He's kind of like a troll who is not aware that he's a troll.


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[Katman]

Blah, blah, blah.....

Yeah, I suppose you could just as easily be Mike Hailwood's love child.

What a pity that instead, you sound like a noob with an over-inflated sense of your own ability.

[Deano]

Yeah, I suppose you could just as easily be Mike Hailwood's love child.

What a pity that instead, you sound like noob with an over-inflated sense of your own ability.

Have another beer Steve. We wouldn't want reality to get in the way of your delusions.

[Drew]

Does anyone in nz have enough riding experience to be on the road.
I'm not experienced enough to be upset that you throw these comments at me

But you loose a lot of credibility when you wank on the same shit at everyone, Drew is well known to be one of the better riders on KB, and I'm yet to hear anything but your own opinion of your riding.

Much like drew I don't base much of my riding at all on the bike in front, I don't follow their braking points or lines. What I do do is look for signs of him panicking and when I see it I will back right off until I can identify what got him spooked. And i will guarantee that Drew would also take note if he saw a bike in front of him do something unexpected.

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Noticing sudden changes in their behaviour, certainly falls into the "avoiding running them over", category.

I really think people need to relax a little here. Katman in particular as usual, you're taking what is written here to be the total of what people think and do. Rather than just making individual points and observations.


I do not care weather or not you think I'm capable of deciding how to ride. I do understand you want bikers to take responsibility for their own safety, but you Will some day admit, that there are natural bikers, who aren't useless with little experience relative to your own.

[FJRider]

Go have a look around I guarantee you will find heaps of people who claim to have ridden for decades that can't ride for shit. You can put all the stock you like in time holding a licence.

[QUOTE=Mushu;1130513443]Kays ridden would be a slightly better indicator of experience but still not even close to a real scale of skill.

How many thousand km's have you ridden since you got your L Plate .. ???


You've held a licence for x years, so what my Nana has held her 6f for over 50 years, and really doesn't know anything at all about riding.

Have you got YOUR full license yet .. ???


A year is quite a long time and given you don't know how often or far I ride

In some of your previous posts ... you told us just how often you do ride. One post I saw ... said you weren't riding for a few months due to parts unavailability ... after you crashed your bike. Hardly a good indication of a high skill level on your part.


the content of the ride and analysis of your technique are far bigger factors in skill. I have spent the last year doing the best I can to do these things including taking advice from credible, experienced riders and touring when I can

Was this before or AFTER you crashed .. ???


as well as racking up as many kays as I can find the time to do


So .... how many km's have you ridden .... the few months you were actually riding ... ???

[Katman]

I really think people need to relax a little here. Katman in particular as usual,

Believe me Drew, I'm relaxed.

[iYRe]

... there are natural bikers, who aren't useless with little experience relative to your own.

I play bass.. I didnt just pick up a bass and start playing - I have mates who did.. and their bass playing skills are seriously amazing. I have a bit of natural rhythm and a ear for music. I took lessons, and spent countless hours playing. 30 years later people compliment me on my playing - I'm competent. Not a "natural" - there is stuff I just cant play, no matter how hard I try. On the other hand.. my mate Russell (throbbing love muscle - to give him his full name) can, seemingly, play anything, at a whim, with nary a lesson, or anything other than just "jammin".

Riding bikes (engines and non engined varieties) can be learned - but there are some people who just have natural aptitude and do stuff so easily that others totally get the shits trying. Conversely, there are people who's riding is the musical equivalent of fingernails on a chalkboard. Does that mean they shouldnt be allowed to ride? Some might say yes.. some might say "under controlled circumstances", and other will say "what the hell, I can put up with anything".

[Drew]

fixed for you

There are too many to notice you all. Hence we can't avoid the lot of ya.

[Mom]

So if they suddenly react to a hazard on the road that you can't see, you'd ignore the clue they gave you?

One of the most important things I do riding on the road is observe the traffic in front of me, cars and bikes alike. Cars bump over crap surfaces better than we do, but always their suspension shows what is happening. Bikes even more so.


Drew is well known to be one of the better riders on KB, and I'm yet to hear anything but your own opinion of your riding.

Really? Define well known to be one of the better riders? How so? Is there a test for this? What on earth makes you want to say that, unless you are in the same camp as my husband, and are part of the Drew Fan Club :headbang:


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Yet again, texting does not make your penis bigger :wacko:

PS: I did not see KM talking about his riding.

Fuck this shit, I am going back to my old avatar! About time really!

[Drew]

Really? Define well known to be one of the better riders? How so? Is there a test for this? What on earth makes you want to say that, unless you are in the same camp as my husband, and are part of the Drew Fan Club :headbang:



!

Whoa whoa whoa. What are you even on about? Maha must be a bit fucken lonely at fan club events. Reckon he'd be the only one in said club.

[FJRider]

Maha must be a bit fucken lonely at fan club events. Reckon he'd be the only one in said club.

That's a bit rough ... two ... when Drew shows up ... ;)

[cheshirecat]

The Drew fan club will be in the same metaphysical reality of crashfromwayback's coffee appreciation society

[Drew]

That's a bit rough ... two ... when Drew shows up ... ;)
I haven't been invited to speak...

The Drew fan club will be in the same metaphysical reality of crashfromwayback's coffee appreciation society
People appreciate that Pete makes them a coffee...right up until they drink it anyway.

[Maha]

Whoa whoa whoa. What are you even on about? Maha must be a bit fucken lonely at fan club events. Reckon he'd be the only one in said club.

The Ballard of Drew Mair.

It Mushu been cold there in his shadow..
To never have met the fabulous Drew…
You always walk a step behind..
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Did Drew ever know that he’s my hero..
And he’s everything that I would like to be…
Drew is the road for which I ride on..
He’s one of the better riders on KB..

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[Katman]

The Drew Mair Fanclub Chant.

Did Drew ever know that he’s my hero..
And he’s everything that I would like to be…
Drew is the road for which I ride on..
He’s one of the better riders on KB..

He is the wind between my cheeks.

[FJRider]

I haven't been invited to speak...

That would probably ruin everything anyway ... :whistle:


People appreciate that Pete makes them a coffee...right up until they drink it anyway.

It depends mostly ... on what he uses to stir it with ... :pinch:

[FJRider]

The Drew fan club will be in the same metaphysical reality of crashfromwayback's coffee appreciation society

So ... both groups can fit on a three seater couch ... ??? :laugh:

[Mushu]

How many thousand km's have you ridden since you got your L Plate .. ???

About 11000 on the ninja, 10000 on the r6 and 6000 on the Dr650 (regularly swapping between motard and dirt setup)

Have you got YOUR full license yet .. ???

Nope, concentrating on my class 5 atm

In some of your previous posts ... you told us just how often you do ride. One post I saw ... said you weren't riding for a few months due to parts unavailability ... after you crashed your bike. Hardly a good indication of a high skill level on your part.

What was the date on that post, and the bike was off the rd for about 6 weeks waiting for parts.. Funnily enough on the day of my accident twist of the wrist 2 showed up from mighty ape so during that 6 weeks I read it cover to cover 3 times and a couple more after I got my ninja back.

Was this before or AFTER you crashed .. ???

Yes I crashed, and about a month after I got my license, it was my fault I picked a bad line (to avoid a stick on the road) and had nowhere to go when I came face to face with a land cruiser in my lane, I ran off the road. I have worked on this since and now pick much better lines. Have you never made a mistake.


So .... how many km's have you ridden .... the few months you were actually riding ... ???

Edit: bbcode sucks when you don't have the buttons to make it easy

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[cheshirecat]

At the risk of going off topic I did actually try his brew the other day, after years of denial. He wasn't gone long, offering up the red mug of weakish (I was a first timer after all) libation which I took out to sit on their wooden recliner. Sitting down was the best way to take it as it saved falling down or making a fool of your self passing out or dissolving on the pavement. I have actually survived, as testified by this post, but only because perhaps, I sampled but a sip and the effects delayed long enough to get a remedial coffee from Delux next door. For those undertaking a similar experience there is a large drain just outside and beyond his view to dump the surplus. Do it while you can still walk or crawl.

[Berries]

He is the wind between my cheeks.
I think he is the wind between Mushu's cheeks by the sound of it.




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[Drew]

I think he is the wind between Mushu's cheeks by the sound of it.




Sent from my tappity tap computer using my tappity tap fucking fingers.

Mushu will go right off me when he learns I am a Sidecar racer.

[Mushu]

I think he is the wind between Mushu's cheeks by the sound of it.




Sent from my tappity tap computer using my tappity tap fucking fingers.

Drew's name comes up quite often on these forums (not nearly as much as Katman though, but for different reasons) I've never actually spoken (written?) directly with him. But it seems everyone who claims to have seen him ride all say he has a high level of skill.

I'm not trying to crawl up his ass I'm trying to illustrate that even the best riders on KB aren't even close to Katman standard as he was told he needs 4 years experience in London to have a valid opinion according to Katman.

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[Mushu]

Mushu will go right off me when he learns I am a Sidecar racer.

Rider or passenger/ballast?

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[Drew]

Rider or passenger/ballast?

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Rider. I'm too fat and unfit to swing.

[Deano]

Rider. I'm too fat and unfit to swing.

And you're getting slow over the Takas - I was nearly the Repsol between the RF's cheeks on Thursday night.

[Katman]

I'm not trying to crawl up his ass I'm trying to illustrate that even the best riders on KB aren't even close to Katman standard as he was told he needs 4 years experience in London to have a valid opinion according to Katman.



Did you do a course in Stupidity or are you just a natural?

[Mushu]

......Yet again, texting does not make your penis bigger :wacko:.......

Well if you wanna be a dick about it, it's not texting (a text is a sms and goes from phone to phone)

Computer snobs, I pay for internet on my phone why do I need to connect my computer to the net.

There you go I deleted it for you.... Just this once

[Mushu]

Rider. I'm too fat and unfit to swing.

Surely more ballast couldn't be a bad thing if the bike has to carry the weight either way. Either way though it looks like fun.

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[Mushu]

Did you do a course in Stupidity or are you just a natural?

Oh, I'm a natural

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[yungatart]

But it seems everyone who claims to have seen him ride all say he has a high level of skill.



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True..I have never seen anyone else throw a bike over the tyre wall at Manfield.
Some may call it skill, I guess...

[Drew]

And you're getting slow over the Takas - I was nearly the Repsol between the RF's cheeks on Thursday night.The irony of this baiting, in a thread about keeping up, is fucking genius bro.


Did you do a course in Stupidity or are you just a natural?

He isn't the one refusing to respond to what I see as a point.

[Katman]

He isn't the one refusing to respond to what I see as a point.

What would that point be Drew?

[Drew]

True..I have never seen anyone else throw a bike over the tyre wall at Manfield.
Some may call it skill, I guess...
That's not skill, it's fucken near omnipotence woman!

What would that point be Drew?
That you cannot accept anyone has the ability, or presence of mind to ride safely. Other than yourself.

[Deano]

That you cannot accept anyone has the ability, or presence of mind to ride safely. Other than yourself.

Especially after a few beers and cones.

[Katman]

That you cannot accept anyone has the ability, or presence of mind to ride safely. Other than yourself.

Really Drew?

Are you sure you're not just making that up?

[Deano]

Really Drew?

Are you sure you're not just making that up?

Oh that ole chestnut. Do you want a fucking written affidavit ?

[FJRider]

True..I have never seen anyone else throw a bike over the tyre wall at Manfield.
Some may call it skill, I guess...

I saw Robert Holden chuck HIS bike into the Holden sign at Manfield ... He can't have been that skilled either.

Manfield must be a dangerous place ...

[Katman]

Oh that ole chestnut. Do you want a fucking written affidavit ?

Well that might at least prove you're not full of shit.

[yungatart]

That's not skill, it's fucken near incompetence woman!



I fixed your spelling for you, Drew ;)

[sugilite]

Well if you wanna be a dick about it, it's not texting (a text is a sms and goes from phone to phone)

Computer snobs, I pay for internet on my phone why do I need to connect my computer to the net.

There you go I deleted it for you.... Just this once

Heyya, I think you will find it is some sort of signature set up found "somewhere" in the settings profile area of your phone, or within the tapa talk app itself.

[Deano]

Well that might at least prove you're not full of shit.

We both know the truth. So do a few others.

Are your guns loaded or was that a bullshit threat BTW ?

[Katman]

We both know the truth. So do a few others.

Are your guns loaded or was that a bullshit threat BTW ?

Deano, the saying "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight" doesn't actually mean knives and guns.

You are truly more retarded than I've ever given you credit for.

[Drew]

Really Drew?

Are you sure you're not just making that up?That is how I see your attitude, from the sum total of nearly every post of yours I've read.


Well that might at least prove you're not full of shit.
Hehehehe, this is gonna end AWESOME!

[merv]

Funny how the threads on KB eventually go off like this. What pills do people take? Reminds me of this picture:

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[Deano]

Deano, the saying "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight" doesn't actually mean knives and guns.

You are truly more retarded than I've ever given you credit for.

Ah now you're backing down as I expected.

And you are even more of a pussy that I gave you credit for.

Just step out behind the keyboard for a minute or two and give me the abuse you have on line by PM face to face.

It's not much to ask.

Bullies in the school ground were made of better stuff than that.

Are you man enough or full of shit ?

[sugilite]

Funny how the threads on KB eventually go off like this.


Yeah, wheres the good night kiwi when you need him? Prob posting on KB the slacker!

[Katman]

Ah now you're backing down as I expected.

And you are even more of a pussy that I gave you credit for.

Just step out behind the keyboard for a minute or two and give me the abuse you have on line by PM face to face.

It's not much to ask.

Bullies in the school ground were made of better stuff than that.

Are you man enough or full of shit ?

You're embarassing yourself again Deano.

[FJRider]

Heyya, I think you will find it is some sort of signature set up found "somewhere" in the settings profile area of your phone, or within the tapa talk app itself.

I think it is unchangeable ... a sort or auto trademark of the appliance. But a few of us wont stop giving him heaps about it ...

It's been a slow day ... eh .. !!

[Deano]

You're embarassing youself again Deano.

Is that all you've got ? It's a bit redundant and rather submissive.

Have another beer/toke dude - it might improve your spelling.

P.s. You need to edit your posts a little quicker too.

[Katman]

Is that all you've got ? It's a bit redundant and rather submissive.

Have another beer/toke dude - it might improve your spelling.

P.s. You need to edit your posts a little quicker too.

Dude, you clearly know where to find me.

Do your credibility a favour and front up.

[Deano]

Dude, you clearly know where to find me.

Do your credibility a favour and front up.

Oh after all this time you finally call ME out.....:lol:

Seriously. Your credibility is fucked. :killingme

[Drew]

Dude, you clearly know where to find me.

Do your credibility a favour and front up.
Hahahaha, now THAT^^^, was fucking stupid on lots of levels.

[Katman]

Hahahaha, now THAT^^^, was fucking stupid on lots of levels.

Not stupid at all Drew.

You can stop in too if you like.

[Berries]

I figure it would be in there but it never bothered me, and now I'm loving that it seems to be bugging others

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[Deano]

Hahahaha, now THAT^^^, was fucking stupid on lots of levels.

Never underestimate the power of a few beers behind a keyboard !

[Mushu]

And now Katman has degraded this thread to threats. lol, shows your method of arguing repeat the same redundant shit and if that don't work, show everyone how tough you are. Really lends credibility to your argument....

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[sugilite]

The title of this thread is gold, I just cannot keep up!



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[FJRider]

The title of this thread is gold, I just cannot keep up!



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Dam ... I've run out of bling.

Tomorrow is another day ...

[FJRider]

As long as we're scraping the bottom of the barrel.
My mum's so fat.....

How is this thread not in pd yet?

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The Mod's are probably too busy laughing to infract anybody ...

And mostly senior members involved ... and nobody of any importance taking offense.

What harm can it do ... ???

[Mushu]

The Mod's are probably too busy laughing to infract anybody ...

And mostly senior members involved ... and nobody of any importance taking offense.

What harm can it do ... ???

Not harm to be done..... But I have seen threads go that way for far less than what going on here, only problem is I don't know if I can find it on my phone if they move it:(

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[Deano]

What harm can it do ... ???

We'll see if Katman has any form. But I seriously doubt it . Maybe he'll bring his keyboard. :lol:

[FJRider]

We'll see if Katman has any form. But I seriously doubt it . Maybe he'll bring his keyboard. :lol:

Key-boards at noon .... (or dawn .. ??)

[PrincessBandit]

The Mod's are probably too busy laughing to infract anybody ...

And mostly senior members involved ... and nobody of any importance taking offense.

What harm can it do ... ???
ROFLMAO. That about sums it up. (I only got to read this entertainment a few minutes ago). Must check my email to see how many Reported Posts from this thread are there.


Not harm to be done..... But I have seen threads go that way for far less than what going on here, only problem is I don't know if I can find it on my phone if they move it:(

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Oh trust me. If it gets to PD you'll be able to find it easily enough.

As for the content of this thread it's just another day at the office. Try not to take things to heart too much - you'll survive around here much longer that way.

[FJRider]

Not harm to be done..... But I have seen threads go that way for far less than what going on here, only problem is I don't know if I can find it on my phone if they move it:(

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This thread is not in Biker Angels. Or any NOOB thread. Nobody really cares ... Perhaps "the line" has not been crossed yet ...

At worst ... the thread will be moved to "Rant an Rave" ... and every members post count (that have posted in the thread) gets their appropriate number of posts deducted from their total shown.

[FJRider]

Why would it be more likely to go to pd if it were in biker angels, are we not allowed to talk shit around the girls


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No ... site rules actually.

[FJRider]

ROFLMAO. That about sums it up. (I only got to read this entertainment a few minutes ago). Must check my email to see how many Reported Posts from this thread are there.

Those that could ... have as much to be infracted for as the member reported. At worst ... a few posts disappear into pink fairy land ...


Oh trust me. If it gets to PD you'll be able to find it easily enough.

If you really want to look.


As for the content of this thread it's just another day at the office. Try not to take things to heart too much - you'll survive around here much longer that way.

And there will be other threads ...

[Drew]

Not stupid at all Drew.

You can stop in too if you like.

I have no beef with you. Be good to be there when Dean shows up though, to call the ambulance when you call him names though. Responsible shit stirring, is how I roll.

Sent from my bed, lathered in peanut butter.

[Zedder]

This thread is not in Biker Angels. Or any NOOB thread. Nobody really cares ... Perhaps "the line" has not been crossed yet ...

At worst ... the thread will be moved to "Rant an Rave" ... and every members post count (that have posted in the thread) gets their appropriate number of posts deducted from their total shown.


"And every members post count.... deducted..." It's probably getting quite serious if that happens then.

[Zedder]

I wish I hadn't read that. I needed to give up eating peanut butter anyhow.

Yeah, just reading about it is bad for ya health.

[Mom]

At worst ... the thread will be moved to "Rant an Rave" ... and every members post count (that have posted in the thread) gets their appropriate number of posts deducted from their total shown.

Say it isn't so, I have 5 posts in here, oh no 6 now :laugh:

[sugilite]

Yeah and look what you started here. Sounds like it will be worse than a volcanic eruption in Taupo when the boys do pistols at dawn.

Mate, I just hope it will be a fair fight and both keyboards have been calibrated by an independent authority!

[Maha]

Drew's name comes up quite often on these forums. But it seems everyone who claims to have seen him ride all say he has a high level of skill.

Sent from Drews Manstick

My bling comments on that subject from those that know him tells a different story....fast but neeeeeeeeeh.


And now Katman has degraded this thread to threats. lol, shows your method of arguing repeat the same redundant shit and if that don't work, show everyone how tough you are. Really lends credibility to your argument....

Sent from my Man Stick

Its an invitation, read it again, but slowly this time.

Sent from some place called Reefton.

[Mom]

And now Katman has degraded this thread to threats. lol, shows your method of arguing repeat the same redundant shit and if that don't work, show everyone how tough you are. Really lends credibility to your argument....

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I really, really counsel you to actually do a bit of reading before you comment too much further sweetie. These are not threats, these are forcefully given arguments :yes: His message is far from redundant, he just delivers it in a strange way. Katman and I have had some doosies over the years. Trust me his cock, and what I am supposed to do with it are the things of a wonderful, colourful KB history. He knows I really disagree with his delivery (most of the time) he has somehow calmed down of recent times, but still annoyingly delivers the same mesage, in a sometimes less than digestable way.

You however...

Sent using Maha's cock, on this just right sized keyboard, in a style that does it for me every time...

[merv]

Say it isn't so, I have 5 posts in here, oh no 6 now :laugh:

Unbelievable, when I last said to you:

"Yeah and look what you started here. Sounds like it will be worse than a volcanic eruption in Taupo when the boys do pistols at dawn."

... which seemed rather innocuous to me, and it ended up in PD. There's no guessing really what the damned mods like and what they don't. Don't know why they picked on me when I wasn't saying anything abusive like.

[Edbear]

Unbelievable, when I last said to you:

"Yeah and look what you started here. Sounds like it will be worse than a volcanic eruption in Taupo when the boys do pistols at dawn."

... which seemed rather innocuous to me, and it ended up in PD. There's no guessing really what the damned mods like and what they don't. Don't know why they picked on me when I wasn't saying anything abusive like.

Looks like they dumped my post about feather pillows too, mind you it was kind pointless when you think about it... :rolleyes:

[sugilite]

And here we are again back where we started! 1st time I've seen (ok noticed) thread/posts come out of pd, must of been for good behavior :lol:
A Good call by the moderators :cool:

[merv]

Looks like they dumped my post about feather pillows too, mind you it was kind pointless when you think about it... :rolleyes:

Though I would say rather relevant to the conversation going on at the time.

[Edbear]

Though I would say rather relevant to the conversation going on at the time.

LoL! Which was also kinda pointless too... :msn-wink:

Anyway, speaking about keeping up, does anyone have anything remotely on topic to say? :blank:

[Subike]

LoL! Which was also kinda pointless too... :msn-wink:

Anyway, speaking about keeping up, does anyone have anything remotely on topic to say? :blank:

I was told by a young lady last night, that I kept up rather well!!
I was on a 250...she a 900....But i knew the twisty bits better than her, and the hills were so smooth to ride...:bleh:

[Mom]

Unbelievable, when I last said to you:

"Yeah and look what you started here. Sounds like it will be worse than a volcanic eruption in Taupo when the boys do pistols at dawn."

... which seemed rather innocuous to me, and it ended up in PD. There's no guessing really what the damned mods like and what they don't. Don't know why they picked on me when I wasn't saying anything abusive like.

I have deleted you from my Xmas card list as a result of this outrage! Hope you can feel the burn... :girlfight:

[merv]

I have deleted you from my Xmas card list as a result of this outrage! Hope you can feel the burn... :girlfight:

Don't you mean you've deleted the mod from your Xmas card list?

I'd never delete you from my list.

[PrincessBandit]

Haha, that would be me...I was having problems with my scrolling thingy on my laptop at the time. It kept scrolling really fast and with all the to-ing and fro-ing to get back to the posts I was weeding out a couple must've slipped through which weren't intended.
Bottom line though is that there was a whole lot of crap in both that thread and it's mate, that it can be easy to over-select. The thread itself was always safe, but you guys gotta get out on your bikes more I reckon! :msn-wink:

I don't apologise very often so make the most of it. And Mom, a super big :hug: for you

[Mushu]

I really, really counsel you to actually do a bit of reading before you comment too much further sweetie. These are not threats, these are forcefully given arguments :yes: His message is far from redundant, he just delivers it in a strange way. Katman and I have had some doosies over the years. Trust me his cock, and what I am supposed to do with it are the things of a wonderful, colourful KB history. He knows I really disagree with his delivery (most of the time) he has somehow calmed down of recent times, but still annoyingly delivers the same mesage, in a sometimes less than digestable way.

'come over here and say that' sounds like a threat to me even if he doesn't have the balls to be specific on what he thinks he would do
Actually to begin with I liked Katman, there have been times I have agreed with him even if his delivery is shit and he obviously has a katana which will probably be my next bike, I love the original with the pop up headlight.
But he is in every thread spouting shit, and being a prick about it.

You however...

Me however what, I'm universally hated, and really don't mind.. I'm here to sift through all the shit and find a few nuggets of info that can be helpful to me and my riding and I have had useful conversations with a few members, and the retards like you and Katman give me something to do when I'm bored



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[bosslady]

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Be careful who you call a retard... she was being polite to you...




R.E.S.P.E.C.T. find out what it means on kb!



oh wait..... nm

[Katman]

Actually to begin with I liked Katman...

Well I'm glad we fixed that up.

[psycho22]

Well I'm glad we fixed that up.

:lol: look you got an admirer...

[sugilite]

The thread itself was always safe, but you guys gotta get out on your bikes more I reckon! :msn-wink:


Has anyone ever told you, you have your brothers eye :msn-wink:


Well I'm glad we fixed that up.

Wow, and you even let his reference to the pop up Katana being the "original" slide, you big softy you!
I bet you view the pop up model as being a fake Katana!

Personally, I like the pop up, it just hopeless for someone my height, the tank splays my legs like a freaking cowboy been to long in the saddle :(

[Kickaha]

I love the original with the pop up headlight.
Maybe you're taking the piss but the original doesn't have a pop up headlight and is a considerably cooler bike than the pop up abortion

[Drew]

Has anyone ever told you, you have your brothers eye :msn-wink:



Wow, and you even let his reference to the pop up Katana being the "original" slide, you big softy you!
I bet you view the pop up model as being a fake Katana!

Personally, I like the pop up, it just hopeless for someone my height, the tank splays my legs like a freaking cowboy been to long in the saddle :(


Maybe you're taking the piss but the original doesn't have a pop up headlight and is a considerably cooler bike than the pop up abortion
Someone was gonna say it, Katman didn't need to.

The pop up is the one I've always wanted. Their cool as Fuck.

Anyhoo... I feel left out, no one has threatened me.

[Edbear]

Someone was gonna say it, Katman didn't need to.

The pop up is the one I've always wanted. Their cool as Fuck.

Anyhoo... I feel left out, no one has threatened me.

If you're going to HD this weekend I'll give you a hug... :rolleyes:

[yungatart]

Someone was gonna say it, Katman didn't need to.

The pop up is the one I've always wanted. Their cool as Fuck.

Anyhoo... I feel left out, no one has threatened me.

Next time I see you, I'm gonna bitch slap the ugly out of you!

[Drew]

Next time I see you, I'm gonna bitch slap the ugly out of you!

That isn't a threat.... Because no one listens to marshals.

[Drew]

If you're going to HD this weekend I'll give you a hug... :rolleyes:

I am relieved to say, I am not.

[Katman]

Wow, and you even let his reference to the pop up Katana being the "original" slide, you big softy you!
I bet you view the pop up model as being a fake Katana!


It could have been worse.

He could have said he wanted a Teapot.

[sugilite]

Someone was gonna say it, Katman didn't need to.

The pop up is the one I've always wanted. Their cool as Fuck.

Anyhoo... I feel left out, no one has threatened me.

Yeah, I saw one parked up in Dannevirke the other day, I liked them when they came out, even more so now. Cool as fuck sums them up nicely


If you're going to HD this weekend I'll give you a hug... :rolleyes:
Now thats a threat!


Next time I see you, I'm gonna bitch slap the ugly out of you!
And that's a promise :lol:


It could have been worse.

He could have said he wanted a Teapot.

Steve, I audibly groaned when I read that, thanks for ruining my breakfast. :puke:

I think I mentioned to you the only time I rode a real Katana, I was left feeling somewhat underwhelmed. To be fair the owner thought maintenance was something a woman got paid for his past sins. So for sure it was not a good example of a one.

At only 17, lived in a flat with him, another guy with a Z1300 and 3 woman flatties, made for interesting dynamics! On rainy Weekends while they were bonking the flatties, I would clean all 3 bikes, mine was a RZ500. I did eventually get a life and found curvier, softer, warmer things to lavish my attention on during rainy Weekends, (Note to mods: see, staying on the "Keeping it up" topic) unless it was sunny, because then I would definitely be out on my bike! Priorities and all that :ride:

[Katman]

The pop up is the one I've always wanted. Their cool as Fuck.


Yeah, nah.

I always saw them as the Klayton's Katana.

[Ender EnZed]

It could have been worse.

He could have said he wanted a Teapot.

Nobody wants a Teapot.

[Drew]

Water bottle Will be the classic Suzuki I get. Might need to bastardise it a bit to keep up withthe Thursday rides though.

[Mushu]

My apologies, the only katana I have seen in the flesh close up (metal?) is the pop up and the newer one that looks like a completely different bike but I find the earlier ones do have a slightly nicer shape judging by a quick visit to Wikipedia, I hadn't done too much research before now, I just like the shape (by original I mean the original body style rather than the teapot which looks like crap)

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[wingnutt]

no one, either experienced or a learner, should be encouraged to over reach thiier ability to ride. to do so, can very quickly
become all to dangerous.

always, always always, ride you own ride where you are comfortable do not let others dictate how you should ride, If you are
riding with a group that likes buggering off into the wild blue yonder and you dont, find another group.

if you are a learner see if you can find a responsible experienced rider, who is happy to offer tips

[Edbear]

no one, either experienced or a learner, should be encouraged to over reach thiier ability to ride. to do so, can very quickly
become all to dangerous.

always, always always, ride you own ride where you are comfortable do not let others dictate how you should ride, If you are
riding with a group that likes buggering off into the wild blue yonder and you dont, find another group.

if you are a learner see if you can find a responsible experienced rider, who is happy to offer tips

Hey! What's with this posting on topic..? :msn-wink:

[imdying]

trying to keep a mate alive as he bleeds to death in a ditch beside the road?Why, do you think he'd need it again? :bleh:

[bluninja]

Hey! What's with this posting on topic..? :msn-wink:
Can't you keep up with the twists and turns? :bleh:

[sgtp]

whats the deal with those crazy Courier POST drivers? they really know how to hoon a company vehicle. I had one keeping up! (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/157177-Keeping-up!?p=1130514696#post1130514696) with me on the rimutaka's....my riding kinda sucked that day, I suppose, lol

[Mushu]

whats the deal with those crazy Courier POST drivers? they really know how to hoon a company vehicle. I had one keeping up! (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/157177-Keeping-up!?p=1130514696#post1130514696) with me on the rimutaka's....my riding kinda sucked that day, I suppose, lol

I've worked as a courier, unfortunately they have to push the limits to get the job done, a big reason I left was just that.
I don't mind speeding but hate being in a position where I feel I had to. It's the same with truck drivers which is why multiple log books used to be so common.

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[Kickaha]

Next time I see you, I'm gonna bitch slap the ugly out of you!
That is going to take an awful lot of bitch slapping

[yungatart]

That is going to take an awful lot of bitch slapping

That's all right, Kickaha, cos I know and awful lot of bitches :msn-wink: