Bargains and deals

[Edbear]

Most here know me for the Shorai range of batteries and my ability to sneak them into various threads... :whistle: But not many know what I do for business over all.

Following my car accident thar has left me with permanent disablilities making me unemployable, I re-started an old business I ran in the '90's selling a range of Fire safety equipment and torches. As I rehabilitated and recovered I was able to gradually build it up and took on the batteries in Jan. 2011.

While the batteries have really taken off and are now a significant percentage of my business the other side has also grown and doing well. I am in partnership with NZ's oldest and one its largest fire equipment supply companies, looking after their smaller commercial customers and the consumer market while they concentrate on the big corporations such as the NZ Fire Service, Forestry, Military and larger Fire Security firms.

This means I have access to the best prices on the best ranges of all types of fire safety equipment, clothing and supplies, as well as the noted Pelican and Streamlight brands of portable lighting, including everything from mini key-chain torches to Remote Area Lighting, (RAL's), and search lights. Along with the Pelican and Nanuk ranges of protective cases, I can cover a lot of commercial and private requirements.

No doubt this will be seen as shameless promotion by some, :innocent: but over the years I have seen a lot of people and companies charged very high prices that border on profiteering and misinformation in order to make a buck. For example in servicing and certifying fire extinguishers, the regs are that domestically there are no regs, you can have a fire extinguisher hanging around indefinitely and you don't HAVE to get it checked or serviced at any time. For commercial use you must get them checked annually and serviced including a pressure test every five years. The annual check is basically a visual check to make sure it is still up to pressure and undamaged. Most service companies are charging around $30, but should only be about $20 in my opinion. They do NOT have to be re-charged at this check! Every five years nowadays it is usually cheaper to replace them than test them, so you can "retire" (or sell), the old one to private use, (you do not have to give them to the supplier in exchange or dispose of them), and purchase new for the workshop or business.

My prices for quality goods made to all the required NZ Standards and supplied by my supplier as above, have seen word spread and business grow over time without a lot of promotion.

So I'd like to make an offer to all KB'rs to contact me for anything they need to purchase that I may be able to save them some money on, either for private or company use. You can PM me or email me on helpdesk@fireandlight.co.nz and get a quote you can then compare with any other supplier. As an example, to compare, I can supply a 4.5kg ABE, (multi-class), dry powder extinguisher for $112.00+GST or $128.80incl. and a 2kg for $65.00+GST or $74.75incl. Bulk orders are further negotiable depending on quantities. These are fully compliant with all necessary regs and NZ Standards.

If you'd just like information I will happily offer it free of course!

If admin doesn't want this thread on the site, I respect his wishes.

[ducatilover]

Are you advertising again Ed? Shirley knot!
I'm on this bandwagon, I'm very good at polishing things and I'm cheap too, ;)

[Zedder]

Absolutely nothing to do with motorbikes but what the heck: Geology equipment available at good prices.

[MIXONE]

I'm a slut and don't charge much!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Absolutely nothing to do with motorbikes but what the heck: Geology equipment available at good prices.

so, rocks?

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'm a slut and don't charge much!

basic rule of supply and demand innit?

[Zedder]

so, rocks?

No HDC, seismology instruments mainly.

[Big Dave]

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[bogan]

I do simple CNC stuff on the cheap, I can also wield a hammer fantastically, which basically covers all your engineering needs.


I'm on this bandwagon, I'm very good at polishing things and I'm cheap too, ;)

I endorse this product and/or service


so, rocks?

:laugh: must spread rep....

[Edbear]

Way to go guys! This could be a great thread! :2thumbsup

[Scuba_Steve]

I'm a slut and don't charge much!

Well of-course not, it's right there in the "profession". Sluts are free, it's the whore that charge




I'm very good at polishing things and I'm cheap too, ;)

I'm not sure I want to see that :sick:

[Katman]

Tag: KB Whore.

[awa355]

I used to be a cylinder tester with NZIG back in the 80/90's. I tested thousands of gas cylinders from primus type thru auto cng/lpg tanks, dive cylinders, fire extingusters to the huge co2 extinguster banks off the ships, as well as NZIG's own industrial gas cylinders.

The bullshit that ran the industry was absolutely mind boggling. Dive bottles especially, A dive b could sit in a sports/marine shop for sale. If when it sold, it was two years from the stamped date of manufacture, the bottle had to be inspected, then re stamped. On the other end, A 9kg gas bottle could sit on the front of a caravan with rust building up under the base ring from exposure to the weather and only need testing every 10 years. A LPG auto tank could sit in a car boot totaly protected from most things, and yet had to be pulled out every 5 years.

We had to be accredited each year by a company called Tellarc. A private co that wrote their own rules and regulations and put their own interpretations forward. The Govt let them rule the industry. Then there was the Dept of dangerous goods, the Lab dept, Local council regs.

One major problem were small pressure cylinders that came in on private boats, tourists etc that were not approved by the NZ regulations.

Honestly, it would be like giving VTNZ an open cheque book to make the wof rules then administer them. Dont know if the regulations are still as pedantic.

[MIXONE]

Re LPG the emphasis is now on the person filling the cylinder to check for rust,damage etc.
This means the minimum pay dude/dudess at the local servo is now in charge of the safety of many peoples.If one of them 9kg cylinder goes bang it'll leave a helluva dent.

[MIXONE]

Well of-course not, it's right there in the "profession". Sluts are free, it's the whore that charge
:

At least they get their money's worth...

[Zedder]

I do simple CNC stuff on the cheap, I can also wield a hammer fantastically, which basically covers all your engineering needs.




Keep up the good work.

[Swoop]

Tag: KB Whore.
I believe it is "Whores".

Some pimping of product happening in this thread as well.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/157164-Advice-on-helmets-(Aware-of-incorrect-section)

[Subike]

Absolutely nothing to do with motorbikes but what the heck: .

Not quite. Safety is part of owning and operating a motorcycle.
So?
I have an XS1100 yammy, which I would not have today, if it was not for the dry powder fire extinguisher I always keep in my garage.
A carburetor fire was put out in seconds, with minimal damage. It could have been the entire garage.
For those of us that work on our own bikes in the back shed, I can never understate the importance of having a good dry powder extinguisher in your work zone,
Not on the wall behind the cage, but in your work zone, If you have not got one, this is a good time to get one.
I would think that every race bike owner has at least one sitting there in the pits beside the tool box..."just in case."
I have had a "just in case"....it could have left me without a ride....
Be safe on the road with your bike, and safe in your garage with it as well.

[awa355]

Re LPG the emphasis is now on the person filling the cylinder to check for rust,damage etc.
This means the minimum pay dude/dudess at the local servo is now in charge of the safety of many peoples.If one of them 9kg cylinder goes bang it'll leave a helluva dent.

If the rust pitting was over 10% of the wall thickness the cylinder was comdemned and or a weight loss check would be done. We had the profile gauges and the manufacturers specs to go by. If I felt a cylinder was not in a dangerous state, I'd be arguing with the towelhead who owns the sv stn.

[Zedder]

Not quite. Safety is part of owning and operating a motorcycle.
So?
I have an XS1100 yammy, which I would not have today, if it was not for the dry powder fire extinguisher I always keep in my garage.
A carburetor fire was put out in seconds, with minimal damage. It could have been the entire garage.
For those of us that work on our own bikes in the back shed, I can never understate the importance of having a good dry powder extinguisher in your work zone,
Not on the wall behind the cage, but in your work zone, If you have not got one, this is a good time to get one.
I would think that every race bike owner has at least one sitting there in the pits beside the tool box..."just in case."
I have had a "just in case"....it could have left me without a ride....
Be safe on the road with your bike, and safe in your garage with it as well.

I was meaning the geological products weren't motorbike related but yes, dry powder extinguishers are filled with geologically related minerals so it's all good.

[Katman]

I believe it is "Whores".

Some pimping of product happening in this thread as well.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/157164-Advice-on-helmets-(Aware-of-incorrect-section)

Yeah, I can see how you'd get the two confused.

One is starting a thread specifically advertising his business and claiming that his competition is ripping their customers off.

The other is making someone, who has specifically asked about buying a helmet, aware of an offer on a helmet being sold at below cost price.

Shit-for-brains.

[Edbear]

Katman must wuv me... He faithfully, (sic), follows me everywhere like a puppy. :baby:

[bogan]

Got my 4.5kg ABE locally for $150, dunno if shipping on them (is there an extra charge for shipping a pressurized vessel?) would leave much change out of the 20 bucks saved.

Nice one with a big white sticker patch on it so you can white-board marker on the next service due date.

[Edbear]

Got my 4.5kg ABE locally for $150, dunno if shipping on them (is there an extra charge for shipping a pressurized vessel?) would leave much change out of the 20 bucks saved.

Nice one with a big white sticker patch on it so you can white-board marker on the next service due date.

You got a fair price and with shipping mine would not be a whole lot cheaper, maybe $10. My supplier has a very good freight deal and I can deliver extinguishers to the South Island for between $12 - $18.

Multiple orders, I can do better pricing.

[Teflon]

Most here know me for the Shorai range of batteries and my ability to sneak them into various threads... :whistle: But not many know what I do for business over all.

Following my car accident thar has left me with permanent disablilities making me unemployable, I re-started an old business I ran in the '90's selling a range of Fire safety equipment and torches. As I rehabilitated and recovered I was able to gradually build it up and took on the batteries in Jan. 2011.

While the batteries have really taken off and are now a significant percentage of my business the other side has also grown and doing well. I am in partnership with NZ's oldest and one its largest fire equipment supply companies, looking after their smaller commercial customers and the consumer market while they concentrate on the big corporations such as the NZ Fire Service, Forestry, Military and larger Fire Security firms.

This means I have access to the best prices on the best ranges of all types of fire safety equipment, clothing and supplies, as well as the noted Pelican and Streamlight brands of portable lighting, including everything from mini key-chain torches to Remote Area Lighting, (RAL's), and search lights. Along with the Pelican and Nanuk ranges of protective cases, I can cover a lot of commercial and private requirements.

No doubt this will be seen as shameless promotion by some, :innocent: but over the years I have seen a lot of people and companies charged very high prices that border on profiteering and misinformation in order to make a buck. For example in servicing and certifying fire extinguishers, the regs are that domestically there are no regs, you can have a fire extinguisher hanging around indefinitely and you don't HAVE to get it checked or serviced at any time. For commercial use you must get them checked annually and serviced including a pressure test every five years. The annual check is basically a visual check to make sure it is still up to pressure and undamaged. Most service companies are charging around $30, but should only be about $20 in my opinion. They do NOT have to be re-charged at this check! Every five years nowadays it is usually cheaper to replace them than test them, so you can "retire" (or sell), the old one to private use, (you do not have to give them to the supplier in exchange or dispose of them), and purchase new for the workshop or business.

My prices for quality goods made to all the required NZ Standards and supplied by my supplier as above, have seen word spread and business grow over time without a lot of promotion.

So I'd like to make an offer to all KB'rs to contact me for anything they need to purchase that I may be able to save them some money on, either for private or company use. You can PM me or email me on helpdesk@fireandlight.co.nz and get a quote you can then compare with any other supplier. As an example, to compare, I can supply a 4.5kg ABE, (multi-class), dry powder extinguisher for $112.00+GST or $128.80incl. and a 2kg for $65.00+GST or $74.75incl. Bulk orders are further negotiable depending on quantities. These are fully compliant with all necessary regs and NZ Standards.

If you'd just like information I will happily offer it free of course!

If admin doesn't want this thread on the site, I respect his wishes.

Dude, we don't need that shit. Hook us up with some oxy...

[Katman]

Dude, we don't need that shit. Hook us up with some oxy...

Sorry dude, he's all out of oxy.

He's got plenty of moron left though.

[Virago]

...No doubt this will be seen as shameless promotion by some, :innocent: but over the years I have seen a lot of people and companies charged very high prices that border on profiteering and misinformation in order to make a buck...

...As an example, to compare, I can supply a 4.5kg ABE, (multi-class), dry powder extinguisher for $112.00+GST...

Case in point.

I sell them for $96.00 plus GST.

[Edbear]

Case in point.

I sell them for $96.00 plus GST.

Interesting, I would be keen to know the circumstances.

[Katman]

Interesting, I would be keen to know the circumstances.

I'm sure you would Ed.

The burn must be unbearable right at this moment.

[sugilite]

so, rocks?
Believe it or not, I really do sell rocks! Get your rocks here! :cool:
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[Edbear]

Believe it or not, I really do sell rocks! Get your rocks here! :cool:


Pretty rocks!

[sugilite]

The ugly ones don't sell!

[nzspokes]

aware of an offer on a helmet being sold at below cost price.



So you sell product for less than you pay for it? :brick:

Hows that working for you?

[Katman]

So you sell product for less than you pay for it? :brick:

Hows that working for you?

It's quite a common way of moving older stock.

How's your business doing?

[nzspokes]

It's quite a common way of moving older stock.

How's your business doing?

Doing very well. But we don't sell product below cost.

[Katman]

Doing very well. But we don't sell product below cost.

No, I said 'your' business.

Not the one belonging to the guy who pays your wage.

[Edbear]

Doing very well. But we don't sell product below cost.

Sell the right product you don't have old stock that you have to lose money on...

[Katman]

Sell the right product you don't have old stock that you have to lose money on...

Have you ever dealt with a product where the manufacturer brings out a 'new range' Ed?

[Edbear]

Have you ever dealt with a prhoduct where the manufacturer brings out a 'new range' Ed?

Yeah but not to the detriment of previous models. I choose my products carefully and I don't have to stock anything that could be affected by new product. I only sell the latest gear.

[Katman]

I only sell the latest gear.

At inflated prices?

[Edbear]

At inflated prices?

Nup. As low as I can reasonably afford to. If I find cheaper competition I find out why.

[Katman]

Nup. As low as I can reasonably afford to. If I find cheaper competition I find out why.

Maybe you're just greedy Ed.

[Edbear]

PS. It is usually quality related but on rare occasions I have been genuinely undercut so I address that very quickly with my sources.

[Edbear]

Maybe you're just greedy Ed.

Greedy merchants don't survive long. My business continues to grow as word gets around.

[Katman]

Greedy merchants don't survive long. My business continues to grow as word gets around.

Don't make me laugh Ed.

There's no shortage of greedy merchants out there.

[Edbear]

Don't make me laugh Ed.

There's no shortage of greedy merchants out there.

How long are they sticking around, though? How many businesses are flourishing these days?

[Katman]

How long are they sticking around, though? How many businesses are flourishing these days?

Well, not nzspokes's.

[Madness]

I am in partnership with NZ's oldest and one its largest fire equipment supply companies, looking after their smaller commercial customers and the consumer market... This means I have access to the best prices on the best ranges of all types of fire safety equipment, blah blah blah.

So I'd like to make an offer to all KB'rs to contact me for anything they need to purchase that I may be able to save them some money on, Bulk orders are further negotiable depending on quantities.

No doubt this will be seen as shameless promotion by some.

Shameless promotion yes, but we expect that of you these days Ed. I'm more concerned about the fact that you're either working with a sub-distributor or reseller network and royally shafting those customers by whoring your products here on KiwiBiker, OR; Your Consumer Market Strategy(tm) revolves around whoring your products on KiwiBiker & www.joho.co.nz. Either scenario looks like an epic fail in my books.


I sell them for $96.00 plus GST.

Can you freight them to the Norf Island for less than Ed? I might want to talk to you about bulk purchases...


Well, not nzspokes's.

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Way to go guys! This could be a great thread! :2thumbsup

Looking good so far Ed :niceone:

[onearmedbandit]

**MODERATORS NOTE**

This thread is very funny.

That's all.

[sugilite]

**MODERATORS NOTE**

This thread is very funny.

That's all.

Been a few of late. I'm getting into the rag business right here on KB, with everyone seeming to be either on them or losing them of late, I'm gunna get RICH!!!!

[nzspokes]

Speaking of fire extinguisher's, I must try and grab one from you Ed.

[Edbear]

Speaking of fire extinguisher's, I must try and grab one from you Ed.m

No probs, I will see what I can do.


Been a few of late. I'm getting into the rag business right here on KB, with everyone seeming to be either on them or losing them of late, I'm gunna get RICH!!!!

:lol: :2thumbsup some getting lots of exercise jumping to conclusions and making assumptions...


**MODERATORS NOTE**

This thread is very funny.

That's all.

Hilarious!

[Swoop]

Shit-for-brains.
I should report that post as being abusive, you pimply arse-faced inbred.


Now, back on topic.
"Sales" Vs "Sales".
Not really seeing the wood for the trees, are you? I do hope your marketing department keeps up with the play.

[nzspokes]

At inflated prices?

Seems these guys are cheaper than you, http://www.motozone.co.nz/products/road-riding-gear/helmets-road-2/helmets-road/shark-s650-full-face-helmet.aspx

Guess your selling at "below cost" must be an industry standard then.

[Edbear]

Shameless promotion yes, but we expect that of you these days Ed. I'm more concerned about the fact that you're either working with a sub-distributor or reseller network and royally shafting those customers by whoring your products here on KiwiBiker, OR; Your Consumer Market Strategy(tm) revolves around whoring your products on KiwiBiker & www.joho.co.nz. Either scenario looks like an epic fail in :

Your book is way off base. But as with several members, please don't let facts and questions get in the way of your prejudice and presumptions... :whistle:

There are two aspects to my business. I am the sole agent and importer of Shorai products with over 50 dealers throughout the country so far. Wherever possible I refer customers to their local dealer and do not undercut my dealers in competition with them.

My original business was and remains as a partner with said company above, and I rarely cross paths with their other clients. We work in specific markets and I am not in competition with any fire safety companies they also supply.

[sugilite]

Rags, rags, get your quality below dealer rates, internet sourced rags right here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz) folks! :2thumbsup

[Katman]

I should report that post as being abusive, you pimply arse-faced inbred.


Finn did the joke better.



Guess your selling at "below cost" must be an industry standard then.

See posts 34 & 38.

[Virago]

...Can you freight them to the Norf Island for less than Ed? I might want to talk to you about bulk purchases...

Yes I can. In fact (for the ultimate irony), I can get our supplier to ship them direct to you from their Auckland depot.

For commercial quantities, I can probably get the supply to throw in the proper (compliant) blazon signs. :cool:

[Edbear]

Yes I can. In fact (for the ultimate irony), I can get our supplier to ship them direct to you from their Auckland depot.

For commercial quantities, I can probably get the supply to throw in the proper (compliant) blazon signs. :cool:

If $96.00 is your regular price, you are of course aware of how far below RRP you are selling them at. My standard price is quite a bit below RRP to start with and I would match your price for multiple orders of course. However I don't like price wars, as in the end nobody wins. The customer does until the warring parties go under then the other companies carry on at higher pricing.

[Virago]

...No doubt this will be seen as shameless promotion by some, :innocent: but over the years I have seen a lot of people and companies charged very high prices that border on profiteering and misinformation in order to make a buck...

...I have access to the best prices on the best ranges of all types of fire safety equipment...


...However I don't like price wars, as in the end nobody wins. The customer does until the warring parties go under then the other companies carry on at higher pricing.


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[Edbear]

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You are of course taking quotes out of context, aren't you?

I could undercut your prices if I chose to, but I set my prices as fairly as I can in consideration of my whole business viability and profitability. Very few businesses undercut my pricing and if so it is usually due to inferior quality or a one off bulk purchase of one product for promotion.

I would be interested to know your product and business for a fair comparison. I mean, had you posted a quote I could just have easily posted your response.

[Virago]

So everyone who charges more than you is a rip-off merchant, and anyone who charges less is a junk peddler?

The whole industry may have to defer to your superiority.

[bogan]

So everyone who charges more than you is a rip-off merchant, and anyone who charges less is a junk peddler?

The whole industry may have to defer to your superiority.

There's a whole industry set up around that exact principle, its called 'advertising' Why does motomail and mrmotorcycle have to (presumably) pay for advertising on this site when others don't?
And yes I say this in full awareness that I've tried to hock my crap over here too, but mine is the most unique crap, and thus not subject to the advertising rules above :lol:

[Edbear]

So everyone who charges more than you is a rip-off merchant, and anyone who charges less is a junk peddler?

The whole industry may have to defer to your superiority.

Where have I said that? If the price you quote is your standard price, as I said you must be aware of how far under RRP you are as I am aware of same. If your product is of similar quality to mine and your business offers the same back up good on you.

My initial quote was individual sales at well below RRP and I stated multiple orders were on the basis of quantity required. Those are simply my chosen terms and pricing. You likewise are free to do as you please.

Honestly, there are some precious people on here!

[Katman]

Where have I said that?

You really do make life too easy for us sometimes Ed.




over the years I have seen a lot of people and companies charged very high prices that border on profiteering and misinformation in order to make a buck.


Very few businesses undercut my pricing and if so it is usually due to inferior quality

[Edbear]

So everyone who charges more than you is a rip-off merchant, and anyone who charges less is a junk peddler?

The whole industry may have to defer to your superiority.


You really do make life too easy for us sometimes Ed.

You know Katman, even you can amaze me with your level of incomprehension at times. I really shouldn't expect anything sane from you at all...

[bogan]

You know Katman, even you can amaze me with your level of incomprehension at times. I really shouldn't expect anything sane from you at all...

To be fair, that was exactly my interpretation of it as well. Perhaps it is not the reader's skills that are lacking, but the <s>advertiser's</s> poster's?

[Virago]

There's a whole industry set up around that exact principle, its called 'advertising' Why does motomail and mrmotorcycle have to (presumably) pay for advertising on this site when others don't?...

Why indeed?

Until this thread I've never used this site to promote my (none-bike related) business. It's not the place for it - and I personally don't feel the need to use a special-interest site for obsessive off-topic self-promotion. For people like Ed, his only interest in the site is to whore his business, and his bizarre religious beliefs.

Now, off to the office to order more inferior product...

[bogan]

Why indeed?

Until this thread I've never used this site to promote my (none-bike related) business. It's not the place for it - and I personally don't feel the need to use a special-interest site for obsessive off-topic self-promotion. For people like Ed, his only interest in the site is to whore his business, and his bizarre religious beliefs.

Now, off to the office to order more inferior product...

So you have inferior products, and no hope for our divine saviors intervention, what happens if there actually was a fire :eek5: :killingme

[Swoop]

This thread is swiftly replacing the "wing mirror" one for most entertainment! :2thumbsup

[Katman]

You're as bad at whoring your product as you are at witnessing Ed.

[Edbear]

To be fair, that was exactly my interpretation of it as well. Perhaps it is not the reader's skills that are lacking, but the <s>advertiser's</s> poster's?

Too many people are too ready to attribute bad motives to what other's say and some allow prejudice to cloud their thinking. With me, what you see is what you get. I say what I mean.


Why indeed?

Until this thread I've never used this site to promote my (none-bike related) business. It's not the place for it - and I personally don't feel the need to use a special-interest site for obsessive off-topic self-promotion. For people like Ed, his only interest in the site is to whore his business, and his bizarre religious beliefs.

Now, off to the office to order more inferior product...

You old sad, cynic, you. No sense of humour at all... :wacko:

If you carefully read the OP and, (this is too much of a challenge for some here), read it in context and without preconceptions or prejudice - again, too much for some - you will have a revelation, :pinch: and may even get the point. :gob:

[bogan]

Too many people are too ready to attribute bad motives to what other's say and some allow prejudice to cloud their thinking. With me, what you see is what you get. I say what I mean.



You old sad, cynic, you. No sense of humour at all... :wacko:

If you carefully read the OP and, (this is too much of a challenge for some here), read it in context and without preconceptions or prejudice - again, too much for some - you will have a revelation, :pinch: and may even get the point. :gob:

What a load of bollocks, if you're going to advertise your stuff, then you should be able to clearly make your points. Talking in circles and 'interpretations' may be fine in the R and R thread, but here it'll damage your sales. Keep implying that the competitor's products are crap without having seen them, and the next battery I buy won't be a shorai.

[Scuba_Steve]

Where's Quasi, I'm beginning to miss him... :lol:

[Edbear]

What a load of bollocks, if you're going to advertise your stuff, then you should be able to clearly make your points. Talking in circles and 'interpretations' may be fine in the R and R thread, but here it'll damage your sales. Keep implying that the competitor's products are crap without having seen them, and the next battery I buy won't be a shorai.

I wasn't implying anything at all and if you read the OP I clearly said what meant, post 64 was as clear as I could make it. You know yourself there is a lot of crap being sold cheap and I was relating my own experience with competition. Did you miss the part where I commented on genuine competition?

I despair sometimes at how ready people are to mis read and jump to erroneous conclusions, taking words way out of context. No wonder the world is in the crap... :wacko:

[bogan]

I despair sometimes at how ready people are to mis read and jump to erroneous conclusions, taking words way out of context. No wonder the world is in the crap... :wacko:

I'll say this as clearly as I can:

What you say, and what other people interpret can be different things. As an advertiser you need to take special care not to imply anything you do not mean, especially about other peoples products.

Blaming us for an 'erroneous' interpretation also reflects a poor service attitude, as its contrary to the saying 'the customer is always right'.

[Edbear]

I'll say this as clearly as I can:

What you say, and what other people interpret can be different things. As an advertiser you need to take special care not to imply anything you do not mean, especially about other peoples products.

Blaming us for an 'erroneous' interpretation also reflects a poor service attitude, as its contrary to the saying 'the customer is always right'.

So what specifically is wrong with the wording of the OP and pst 64? The problem is not mine alone and is general to the population. I am constantly amazed by comments of people who have completely misunderstood plain documentation, and obviously have not read the passage properly, thereby getting as far as the full opposite meaning from it. Once I have gone over it with them and got them to read it again, they completely change their view.

This is general to people and the written word, not just my posts on KB.

[nzspokes]

See posts 34 & 38.

So the wholesaler has reduced the price then?

[Katman]

So the wholesaler has reduced the price then?

Sometimes they do.

Sometimes though, the retailer finds themselves left with stock in hand that needs to be heavily discounted in order to move it.

If all this has to be spelled out to you I'm not surprised your business went tits up.

[bogan]

So what specifically is wrong with the wording of the OP and pst 64? The problem is not mine alone and is general to the population. I am constantly amazed by comments of people who have completely misunderstood plain documentation, and obviously have not read the passage properly, thereby getting as far as the full opposite meaning from it. Once I have gone over it with them and got them to read it again, they completely change their view.

This is general to people and the written word, not just my posts on KB.

"over the years I have seen a lot of people and companies charged very high prices that border on profiteering and misinformation in order to make a buck"

"Very few businesses undercut my pricing and if so it is usually due to inferior quality or a one off bulk purchase of one product for promotion"

It's that you make these claims when you clearly don't have the knowledge of your competitors situation. It doesn't matter that you've asked for more info about them, the fact is you make the claims about your competitors instantly and in absence of that information, even if they are only implied claims. For example, the second bit I have quoted, you should have stopped by saying just that "very few businesses undercut your pricing", the rest is simply your uninformed speculation.

[Edbear]

PS. It is usually quality related but on rare occasions I have been genuinely undercut so I address that very quickly with my sources.


You are of course taking quotes out of context, aren't you?

I could undercut your prices if I chose to, but I set my prices as fairly as I can in consideration of my whole business viability and profitability. Very few businesses undercut my pricing and if so it is usually due to inferior quality or a one off bulk purchase of one product for promotion.

I would be interested to know your product and business for a fair comparison. I mean, had you posted a quote I could just have easily posted your response.


Where have I said that? If the price you quote is your standard price, as I said you must be aware of how far under RRP you are as I am aware of same. If your product is of similar quality to mine and your business offers the same back up good on you.

My initial quote was individual sales at well below RRP and I stated multiple orders were on the basis of quantity required. Those are simply my chosen terms and pricing. You likewise are free to do as you please.

Honestly, there are some precious people on here!


"over the years I have seen a lot of people and companies charged very high prices that border on profiteering and misinformation in order to make a buck"

"Very few businesses undercut my pricing and if so it is usually due to inferior quality or a one off bulk purchase of one product for promotion"

It's that you make these claims when you clearly don't have the knowledge of your competitors situation. It doesn't matter that you've asked for more info about them, the fact is you make the claims about your competitors instantly and in absence of that information, even if they are only implied claims. For example, the second bit I have quoted, you should have stopped by saying just that "very few businesses undercut your pricing", the rest is simply your uninformed speculation.

You missed the important bit where I gave a specific example in the OP, and my quote as first given in this post.

This is exactly what I am referring to in taking quotes and words out if context and with preconceptions.

[Virago]

It's like watching a slow-motion train wreck...

[Edbear]

It's like watching a slow-motion train wreck...

Some people like to wreck trains, you included...

[Katman]

All aboard the Edbear Express.

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[Edbear]

Some are so dumb they can't tell which way around a picture goes... :whistle:

Oh, he noticed...

[Mom]

You're as bad at whoring your product as you are at witnessing Ed.


You old sad, cynic, you. No sense of humour at all... :wacko:


Forgive me, I have just started reading yet another wonderful thread on KB. What is happening recently, all playing nice and having a good laugh at each other, flaming and generally abusing each other?


Long may it continue...

I only have one thing to offer...

If I need something witnessing, should I get Edbear to do it for me?

And, would he charge me more than someone else would to do so?

[bogan]

It's like watching a slow-motion train wreck...

... with the driver is at the back looking the wrong way, many, many, carriages will be smushed.

[Virago]

... with the driver is at the back looking the wrong way, many, many, carriages will be smushed.

That's because the carriages are making erronous assumptions...

[Zedder]

There's a whole industry set up around that exact principle, its called 'advertising' Why does motomail and mrmotorcycle have to (presumably) pay for advertising on this site when others don't?
And yes I say this in full awareness that I've tried to hock my crap over here too, but mine is the most unique crap, and thus not subject to the advertising rules above :lol:

Nah, unique products are usually priced at what's called a premium pricing strategy so you should in fact be charged way more for advertising.

[scumdog]

What I want is a car-friendly fire-extinuisher that lasts idefinetely - or near enough to it.

Sick of tottin' around a fire-extinguisher forever and finding it's five years out of date - and no idea if it will work when needed...

[Edbear]

Nah, unique products are usually priced at what's called a premium pricing strategy so you should in fact be charged way more for advertising.

I wish!

10....

[scumdog]

All aboard the Edbear Express.

<img src="http://marketplayground.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/train-wreck.jpg"/>

Why is the man in sign poking his long skinny dick into an orcas mouth???:wacko:

Sorry mods, I had to leave that pic imbedded to make the point...

[Katman]

Sorry mods, I had to leave that pic imbedded to make the point...

You should be infracted for thinking your post has a point.

[bogan]

Nah, unique products are usually priced at what's called a premium pricing strategy so you should in fact be charged way more for advertising.

Good point, an increase of say 10,000% should do it? Course I'll have to raise my prices to compensate...


What I want is a car-friendly fire-extinuisher that lasts idefinetely - or near enough to it.

Sick of tottin' around a fire-extinguisher forever and finding it's five years out of date - and no idea if it will work when needed...

Hey, if you're getting more than 5 years between car fires it can't be all bad!

[nzspokes]

Sometimes they do.


Answer the question, did the wholesaler in this case sell it to you at a reduced price?

[Katman]

Answer the question, did the wholesaler in this case sell it to you at a reduced price?

No they didn't.

I'm selling off my existing stock of older Shark models to make way for stocking the new range.

Not that it's any of your fucking business.

[Zedder]

[QUOTE=bogan;1130512890]Good point, an increase of say 10,000% should do it? Course I'll have to raise my prices to compensate...



You'd pay 10,000% more? Ferkin' hell man, stick to engineering.

[Zedder]

Why is the man in sign poking his long skinny dick into an orcas mouth???:wacko:

Sorry mods, I had to leave that pic imbedded to make the point...

You need help SD.....it's clearly a man pole vaulting.

[nzspokes]

No they didn't.

I'm selling off my existing stock of older Shark models to make way for stocking the new range.

Not that it's any of your fucking business.

Then why are these guys so much cheaper than you?

http://www.motozone.co.nz/products/road-riding-gear/helmets-road-2/helmets-road/shark-s650-full-face-helmet.aspx

[Mom]

Sick of tottin' around a fire-extinguisher forever and finding it's five years out of date - and no idea if it will work when needed...

Dont trust no bastard about fire extinguishers being good to go, specially the ones that service the fuckers! Having expereinced the GRAB THE EXTINGUISHER OFF THE WALL TO TACKLE A FIRE only to discover tHE FUCKER WONT WORK, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS JUST FUCKING SERVICED! scenario, dont service, renew.


No they didn't.

I'm selling off my existing stock of older Shark models to make way for stocking the new range.

Not that it's any of your fucking business.

Dont defend yourself, you have a great business consultant :yes:

Geez I have a potty mouth...

[Katman]

Then why are these guys so much cheaper than you?

http://www.motozone.co.nz/products/road-riding-gear/helmets-road-2/helmets-road/shark-s650-full-face-helmet.aspx

Because mine is a 50% off deal.

Are you stupid?

Edit: And furthermore the price they have on the S650 Frame graphics helmet (the same graphics as the one I'm selling) is quite a bit dearer than mine.

Any more questions?

Double Edit: I'd also suggest that the crowd in the link quite possibly don't have the stock on hand anyway. It is quite possibly just what is still available at the wholesalers.

Not that that's any of your business either.

Triple Edit: Btw, the wholesaler has their remaining stock of the older models on sale at less than normal wholesale price at the moment. My helmets are existing stock that I paid normal wholesale for.

Not that that's any of your business either.

[bogan]

You'd pay 10,000% more? Ferkin' hell man, stick to engineering.

Well I pay zero now, so an extra 10,000% would still be zero.

Geez, shouldn't have had to spell that out to ya, maybe stick to rocks :bleh:

[Zedder]

Well I pay zero now, so an extra 10,000% would still be zero.

Geez, shouldn't have had to spell that out to ya, maybe stick to rocks :bleh:

Psst, it was never a real situation so ya should've got it earlier.

[Mom]

... smushed.

Shhmuuuuuuuuuushhhhhhhhhhhhhhhe D

[Edbear]

Dont trust no bastard about fire extinguishers being good to go, specially the ones that service the fuckers! Having expereinced the GRAB THE EXTINGUISHER OFF THE WALL TO TACKLE A FIRE only to discover tHE FUCKER WONT WORK, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS JUST FUCKING SERVICED! scenario, dont service, renew.



Dont defend yourself, you have a great business consultant :yes:

Geez I have a potty mouth...

Curious! Fire extinguishers are pretty basic, do you know what the problem was?

[St_Gabriel]

What I want is a car-friendly fire-extinuisher that lasts idefinetely - or near enough to it.

Sick of tottin' around a fire-extinguisher forever and finding it's five years out of date - and no idea if it will work when needed...

Sorry for taking the thread off topic but...

With a dry powder extinguisher in a vehicle, the vibrations can cause the powder to pack down and become a solid block, therefore it wont be a powder when you need it to be.

You need to regularly remove the extinguisher from its mount and invert it and generally shake it around to loosen the powder. To tell if the extinguisher is probably still ok, place your ear on the extinguisher and then turn it upside down, you can hear the powder "running" to the other end. If not, conclude it will be highly suspect and get a professional to check it out BEFORE you need to use it anger. This should be done to all powder extinguishers regularly.


Anyhoooo, back to the fighting

[Edbear]

Sorry for taking the thread off topic but...

With a dry powder extinguisher in a vehicle, the vibrations can cause the powder to pack down and become a solid block, therefore it wont be a powder when you need it to be.

You need to regularly remove the extinguisher from its mount and invert it and generally shake it around to loosen the powder. To tell if the extinguisher is probably still ok, place your ear on the extinguisher and then turn it upside down, you can hear the powder "running" to the other end. If not, conclude it will be highly suspect and get a professional to check it out BEFORE you need to use it anger. This should be done to all powder extinguishers regularly.


Anyhoooo, back to the fighting

Yup! However it is interesting how often the old dry power extinguishers will perform. I have seen them up to 20years old fire off completely.

Every six months, check the pressure, check for any damage to trigger and hose, give it a shake and sit it back in its clamp. Check the clamp is undamaged and easy to get the extinguisher out of.

Simple and quick and something almost nobody bothers to do... :(

[AllanB]

I let off a 20 year old one at christmas just for kicks with my son. Worked a treat.

Mitre 10 sells ones with NZ saftey labels on them at very good prices ......



Regarding retail pricing have you lot never heard of a 'lost leader'? Used every week in the grocery market - a seller offers up bulk of product x well below RRP (their supplier will give n them a good discount for the bulk purchase), the public flock in to buy the cheap loo paper (or what ever it is) and while there spend another $100 or more on groceries.

Clearing out old stock at reduced pricing is standard business. How many of you KBers wait for Suzukis Summerfest each year before buying a 'new' Suzuki.

[Scuba_Steve]

Dont trust no bastard about fire extinguishers being good to go, specially the ones that service the fuckers! Having expereinced the GRAB THE EXTINGUISHER OFF THE WALL TO TACKLE A FIRE only to discover tHE FUCKER WONT WORK, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS JUST FUCKING SERVICED! scenario, dont service, renew.


Yea, ya gotta pull the pin out 1st :innocent:



Sorry for taking the thread off topic but...

With a dry powder extinguisher in a vehicle, the vibrations can cause the powder to pack down and become a solid block, therefore it wont be a powder when you need it to be.

You need to regularly remove the extinguisher from its mount and invert it and generally shake it around to loosen the powder. To tell if the extinguisher is probably still ok, place your ear on the extinguisher and then turn it upside down, you can hear the powder "running" to the other end. If not, conclude it will be highly suspect and get a professional to check it out BEFORE you need to use it anger. This should be done to all powder extinguishers regularly.


Anyhoooo, back to the fighting

Does this depend on mounting? I had an extinguisher sitting in my vehicle for quite some years in a horizontal mounting position rather than vertical which I eventually found out (the hard way) it still worked perfectly no solid powder bricks there




Clearing out old stock at reduced pricing is standard business. How many of you KBers wait for Suzukis Summerfest each year before buying a 'new' Suzuki.

Yea good buys in the Summerfest, got my little FXR almost half price on 1 of them... Must bring pricing inline with the US :whistle:

[St_Gabriel]

Does this depend on mounting? I had an extinguisher sitting in my vehicle for quite some years in a horizontal mounting position rather than vertical which I eventually found out (the hard way) it still worked perfectly no solid powder bricks there

No idea sorry, was told the information 15 years ago, have followed the advice I was given and have never had an issue when I have needed to use a extinguisher either in training or in anger.

[Edbear]

I let off a 20 year old one at christmas just for kicks with my son. Worked a treat.

Mitre 10 sells ones with NZ saftey labels on them at very good prices ......



Regarding retail pricing have you lot never heard of a 'lost leader'? Used every week in the grocery market - a seller offers up bulk of product x well below RRP (their supplier will give n them a good discount for the bulk purchase), the public flock in to buy the cheap loo paper (or what ever it is) and while there spend another $100 or more on groceries.

Clearing out old stock at reduced pricing is standard business. How many of you KBers wait for Suzukis Summerfest each year before buying a 'new' Suzuki.


All extinguishers sold in NZ must meet the NZS, so while quality of extinguishers does vary a bit, they are one item you can buy with reassurance it will do its job. Smoke alarms can vary a lot and I have noted a general rise in prices lately, even in the big chain stores. Not as common now to see $10 smoke alarms. I still struggle to match the big chains on price for smoke alarms so usually offer them at cost or less combined with a package deal.

And I think the term is "loss leader" where the retailer makes a loss on the item, selling it below cost as an incentive. Mostly used by Supermarkets.


No idea sorry, was told the information 15 years ago, have followed the advice I was given and have never had an issue when I have needed to use a extinguisher either in training or in anger.

A pressurised cylinder will rarely see the powder pack down into a solid block.

[St_Gabriel]

A pressurised cylinder will rarely see the powder pack down into a solid block.

Want to bet your life (or more importantly your loved ones) on a rarely? Choose to follow the suggestion or not, I dont care either way.

[Edbear]

Want to bet your life (or more importantly your loved ones) on a rarely? Choose to follow the suggestion or not, I dont care either way.

I did give the recommendation confirming your advice in post 107, sorry if you missed it.

[St_Gabriel]

I did give the recommendation confirming your advice in post 107, sorry if you missed it.


I dont care either way.

You always seem to think you are being misunderstood or misconstrued, you weren't in this example. I didnt miss it, I just dont give a fuck.

[Edbear]

You always seem to think you are being misunderstood or misconstrued, you weren't in this example. I didnt miss it, I just dont give a fuck.

You got a funny way of showing it...

[bogan]

Does this depend on mounting? I had an extinguisher sitting in my vehicle for quite some years in a horizontal mounting position rather than vertical which I eventually found out (the hard way) it still worked perfectly no solid powder bricks there

Hmmm, but to be on the safe side, vary the mounting often. In fact, for an automated variation system just zip tie it to a wheel, no chance of it bricking then :innocent:

[Virago]

Most of this has been covered, but people should be aware that Dry Powder extinguishers can fail in the moment of need. The failure rate increases with age - therefore beware of well-meaning retailers telling you they can be retained "indefinitely" in domestic environments.

The primary cause of failure is loss of pressure. The smaller extinguishers don't contain a huge amount of propellant, even the tiniest leak will cause the extinguisher to become useless in fairly short time. This frequently happens after refill. A good service company will keep the extinguisher for 2-3 days after refill to monitor the pressure, but the extinguisher may still slowly lose pressure when returned to the client.

Less common is the powder settling and partially solidifying. Again, after a refill, it appears more common - possibly the result of moisture contamination during the refill process. It certainly appears more common in vehicle use.

I recommend the following processes to ensure that dry powder extinguishers are less likely to fail:

1) Dry Powder extinguishers have a pressure gauge. Check it regularly - especially after a refill. It takes a couple of seconds, and once you're in the habit it will become an automatic (perhaps even daily) routine (even in other buildings...:lol:).

2) Periodically remove the extinguisher from it's bracket, turn it over, and give it a good shake. At least every six months for static use, monthly (perhaps even weekly) for vehicles (tie it in with your oil / water / tyre pressure routine). At the same time, check that the anti-tamper tag is still intact.

3) Don't be tempted to "test" an extinguisher by giving it a quick squirt. For dry powder units, it usually causes gradual pressure loss, due to powder residue in the valve. Any fire extinguisher must be treated as a "one-use" device. It's not uncommon to have a client raging about a depressurised cylinder after a check or service - upon investigation powder was found in the valve - the client then admits to "testing" it. In one case - "It was only used once on a small fire a couple of months ago - it should still have worked afterwards...".

The potential risks associated with the "retirement" of commercial fire extinguishers to domestic use should be considered. I do it myself - I even pass on >5 year-old units to friends and family. But once they get to perhaps 10 years since last pressure test, I wouldn't like to trust them. Indefinitely? Definitely not.

These days it's far cheaper to buy smaller domestic extinguishers from the likes of KMart or Mitre 10. Their high-volume / low margin sales mean they can sell way cheaper than the specialist service companies. But they are invariably throw-away items - they may not be able to be refilled. A sign of the times in our low-cost disposable consumer society.


...Smoke alarms can vary a lot and I have noted a general rise in prices lately, even in the big chain stores. Not as common now to see $10 smoke alarms...

Yeah, the result of NZ Building Code changes. Territorial Authorities will now specify the more expensive photo-electric (optical) devices, and all must now have a "hush" facility in addition to the test button. This was introduced to reduce the likelihood of battery removal during nuisance activations.

[Edbear]

My comment about indefinitely was when posting the regulations, not a recommendation. There are no regulations covering domestic use.

Otherwise my post 107 is in agreement with your recommendations here.

[ducatilover]

My product is better

[bogan]

My product is better

Top this then!

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[ducatilover]

Top this then!



:lol:
Hmm meat wouldn't stay on my work that well

[Scuba_Steve]

Hmmm, but to be on the safe side, vary the mounting often. In fact, for an automated variation system just zip tie it to a wheel, no chance of it bricking then :innocent:

:laugh: if I did that it'd probably be ripped right off within the 1st half hr.
The vehicle it was mounted in probably provided to sharper vibrations [read: jolts] for any powder to ever settle anyways so mounting orientation probably didn't matter a whole lot either way.

[Edbear]

With all the publicity about smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in the media lately, is it really having an effect?

How many have checked and tested their smoke alarms, or have installed alarms in the last six months? How many have a fire extinguisher and checked it in the last six months?

Has anyone considered a fire blanket for the kitchen as first defense? They come in various sizes from 1m square and are quite cheap to buy, too. My RRP is $27.00 for the 1m size.

[Zedder]

With all the publicity about smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in the media lately, is it really having an effect?

How many have checked and tested their smoke alarms, or have installed alarms in the last six months? How many have a fire extinguisher and checked it in the last six months?

Has anyone considered a fire blanket for the kitchen as first defense? They come in various sizes from 1m square and are quite cheap to buy, too. My RRP is $27.00 for the 1m size.

Jeez Edbear, don't you ever stop?........How much discount for more than 2?

Do they come in whole thread size? One could have gone well on the "Keeping up" thread last night...

[Edbear]

Jeez Edbear, don't you ever stop?........How much discount for more than 2?

Do they come in whole thread size? One could have gone well on the "Keeping up" thread last night...

Ha ha! :rolleyes:

$25.00

There's a lot of fire on KB, may need bigger than 1m for this site... :lol:

[Scuba_Steve]

With all the publicity about smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in the media lately, is it really having an effect?

How many have checked and tested their smoke alarms, or have installed alarms in the last six months? How many have a fire extinguisher and checked it in the last six months?

Has anyone considered a fire blanket for the kitchen as first defense? They come in various sizes from 1m square and are quite cheap to buy, too. My RRP is $27.00 for the 1m size.

Smoke alarm, check
Extinguisher, check (tho I should get another 1 day)
Fire blanket, why? I have flour. Sure it's messy but it works

As for the publicity around it, is it working? nope not with me, but I have this stuff anyways. Sales on smoke alarms probably work better than advertising them, in-fact why don't they just supply every household in NZ with a couple smoke alarms, it'd probably still work out a shit load cheaper than the current advertising costs even @ full RRP

[White trash]

Fire blanket, why? I have flour. Sure it's messy but it works



Are you fucking kidding me?

I think you DEFINITELY need a fire blanket. Preferably a house sized one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umjqeBb4MCw

[oneofsix]

Are you fucking kidding me?

I think you DEFINITELY need a fire blanket. Preferably a house sized one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umjqeBb4MCw

:banana: something to try next bonfire night. Trouble is it will take a shit load of rain before we will be allowed bonfires again and really I like riding in the dry. :yes:

[White trash]

:banana: something to try next bonfire night. Trouble is it will take a shit load of rain before we will be allowed bonfires again and really I like riding in the dry. :yes:

We used to grab a small handful of flour and throw it at a hot element in cooking class when I was a little fella and it'd usually make the teacher cry.

It's sad that it's only just becoming apparent how much of a total cunt I was growing up :( I'm amazed my parents didn't strangle me or throw me off a bridge somewhere..........

[oneofsix]

We used to grab a small handful of flour and throw it at a hot element in cooking class when I was a little fella and it'd usually make the teacher cry.

It's sad that it's only just becoming apparent how much of a total cunt I was growing up :( I'm amazed my parents didn't strangle me or throw me off a bridge somewhere..........

Parents live in hope, otherwise they would all be mad or have committed self harm.

I have successfully extinguished a couple of kitchen fires using flour to smother them. the trick is get to the fire when it is small enough and use enough flour in bulk, not as dust. That said David Bowie's "putting out the fire using gasoline" will, in theory, work if you have enough gas delivered quickly enough, but I am not going to try. :lol:

[Paul in NZ]

Personally I was VERY disappointed to find 'fire blankets' do not in fact burn.... False advertising....

[oneofsix]

Personally I was VERY disappointed to find 'fire blankets' do not in fact burn.... False advertising....

Start your bonfire with our new, exclusive auto-igniting fire blanket. Just quickly open sealed pack, shake out blanket and throw over the wood pile before it ignites. Don't wait - order now
ignites in less than 1 second once packet opened. Could cause serious burns if incorrectly deployed

:killingme

[Dragon]

Parents live in hope, otherwise they would all be mad or have committed self harm.

I have successfully extinguished a couple of kitchen fires using flour to smother them. the trick is get to the fire when it is small enough and use enough flour in bulk, not as dust. That said David Bowie's "putting out the fire using gasoline" will, in theory, work if you have enough gas delivered quickly enough, but I am not going to try. :lol:

I thought flour could be explosive

Ive always used salt

[bogan]

Well, if all you had was flour and coffee creamer, I think I'd use the flour...

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[Edbear]

I would be inclined to grab a tea towel first... Main ingredient you need to deal to is oxygen, so suffocating the fire is easiest.

[Big Dave]

I would be inclined to grab a tea towel first... Main ingredient you need to deal to is oxygen, so suffocating the fire is easiest.

You could just smother it with your Apron.

[Edbear]

You could just smother it with your Apron.

Noooo!!!! Not my apron!!! :nono:

[Edbear]

It protects my sensitive bits... :rolleyes:

[Scuba_Steve]

Are you fucking kidding me?

I think you DEFINITELY need a fire blanket. Preferably a house sized one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umjqeBb4MCw

If a kitchen fire is that bad, you're probably past the flour or the fire blanket. Might be time to just let the men with trucks, hats & raincoats handle it.

Sure if you throw small handfuls at the fire it's probably not gonna work out so well. But if you dump a container or sack of the stuff on it, Fire gone :yes:

[Edbear]

Hey everyone! We have a deal on 2012 dated 2.5kg and 4.5kg ABE Dry Powder extinguishers, must be ordered by 31 March, though. The reason is that commercial customers want the current year date stamp due to requiring testing every five years. The price reduction accordingly makes this better, but also for domestic customers a chance for a real score.

Prices are: 2.5kg $59.00, 4.5kg $77.00!!!

While stocks last of course, I expect they won't hang around long at this price. :niceone:

[nzspokes]

If you end up anywhere near Manukau I will grab a 300gram one off you.

[Edbear]

If you end up anywhere near Manukau I will grab a 300gram one off you.

PM me an address and I'll send one down freight free, I'm feeling generous... ;)

[nzspokes]

Got me new extinguisher Ed, cheers. Its so dinky.

At home we have a 1.5kg Dry chemical one that has dropped into the recharge part of the dial. Is it cheaper to refill it or buy a new one. And if we grab a new one how do we dispose of the old one?

[Edbear]

Got me new extinguisher Ed, cheers. Its so dinky.

At home we have a 1.5kg Dry chemical one that has dropped into the recharge part of the dial. Is it cheaper to refill it or buy a new one. And if we grab a new one how do we dispose of the old one?

If it's an older one it will have to be tested before recharging and even the recharging cost is probably about teh same as I could do you a new 1.5kg for.

Disposal is fine if it's discharged completely you can probably send it in the recycle bin or take it to the tip. Some people like to reuse them as pressurised cylinders to pump up bike tyres at a track so if you know anyone who may like it for that you could ask. A new 1.5kg I can do for the same price as the 2.5kg on special, $59.00. The normal retail price for the 1.5kg is $70.00.

Makes the specials really cheap right now, but I can't offer them after the 31st March, so anyone wanting one, (or ten..), has to let me know by then.

[Edbear]

We have decided to extend the special offer on our 2012 dated dry powder fire extinguishers, now expanded.

2.5kg - $59
4.5kg - $89
6.0kg - $99
9.0kg - $120

Including GST, plus freight, which we can do real cheap.

Normal warranty applies.

These are selling fast! While stocks last!

[Madness]

I can't offer them after the 31st March...


We have decided to extend the special offer...These are selling fast! While stocks last!

Obviously not selling fast enough.

[Edbear]

Obviously not selling fast enough.

Some of my orders were 26 to one customer, twelve to another and three to another. I persuaded my supplier to continue after ascertaining exactly how many of each were left. The sale has been even more successful than I thought it would be! :niceone:

[Virago]

We have decided to extend the special offer on our 2012 dated dry powder fire extinguishers, now expanded.

2.5kg - $59
4.5kg - $89
6.0kg - $99
9.0kg - $120

Including GST, plus freight, which we can do real cheap.

Normal warranty applies.

These are selling fast! While stocks last!

Geez, that's way below what I can sell them for.

Very few businesses undercut my pricing and if so it is usually due to inferior quality.

[Edbear]

Geez, that's way below what I can sell them for.

Very few businesses undercut my pricing and if so it is usually due to inferior quality.

Definitely not due to inferior product here. I work with a major company that has been here over 100 years and is probably the largest supplier of fire and rescue equipment in NZ.

Perhaps it's a case where size does make a difference?

[Virago]

I won't get drawn in.

I don't like price wars, as in the end nobody wins. The customer does until the warring parties go under then the other companies carry on at higher pricing.

[Edbear]

I won't get drawn in.

I don't like price wars, as in the end nobody wins. The customer does until the warring parties go under then the other companies carry on at higher pricing.

It's not a price war. It is a genuine sale offer due to commercial regulations requiring cylinders to be tested every five years. Commercial customers want current year dated extinguishers and there is little point keeping older ones as next year they will be two years behind.

For domestic or private customers it is a genuine bargain, but even commercial customers are buying these as the lower price covers the lost year.

I think our normal prices are fair and competitive.

[Virago]

Definitely not due to inferior product here. I work with a major company that has been here over 100 years and is probably the largest supplier of fire and rescue equipment in NZ...

Nowhere have I suggested that you're selling inferior product - that was entirely your own suggestion. Please read my posts carefully and without inference - you may actually learn something.



We have decided to extend the special offer on our 2012 dated dry powder fire extinguishers, now expanded...

Hmmmmm...


Sell the right product you don't have old stock that you have to lose money on...


...I only sell the latest gear.

[Edbear]

Nowhere have I suggested that you're selling inferior product - that was entirely your own suggestion. Please read my posts carefully and without inference - you may actually learn something.

Hmmmmm...

Ha ha! Okay let me elaborate.

I apologise if my response came across that way, my comment about inferior product was also general, I didn't think you were inferring my product was inferior.

I have two businesses under my brand, the Shorai company is one and my relationship with another company I have been working with since about 1991 is the other.

It is they who made the offer on 2012 dated extinguishers which are only classed "old stock" for commercial customers subject to regulations.

My comment on latest gear was in reference to selling outdated product, and I suppose if you push the definition these extinguishers could, maybe, just about qualify. I certainly am not losing money on them though. I may put low margins on but I don't sell below cost.

[ducatilover]

Do insurance companies still lower prices when an extinguisher is fitted to a car? I was considering mounting on in the Volvo

[Edbear]

Do insurance companies still lower prices when an extinguisher is fitted to a car? I was considering mounting on in the Volvo

As a Volvo owner I would expect you would get the lowest possible premiums anyway! LOL!

Don't know, though unless you called them and asked.

[ducatilover]

As a Volvo owner I would expect you would get the lowest possible premiums anyway! LOL!



You'd think so :sweatdrop but I'm 24 and driving an "expensive to fix Euro car" and it's "powerful" because it's 2435cc :facepalm: 125kw in a 1460kg car is not what I would call powerful...at all
In saying that, nobody wants to steal one :D

[Edbear]

You'd think so :sweatdrop but I'm 24 and driving an "expensive to fix Euro car" and it's "powerful" because it's 2435cc :facepalm: 125kw in a 1460kg car is not what I would call powerful...at all
In saying that, nobody wants to steal one :D

Probably on the list for least likely to be stolen vehicles in the world... :yes:

Sucks to be under 25 though for insurance purposes. Maybe you could consider a Citroen 2CV..?

[ducatilover]

Probably on the list for least likely to be stolen vehicles in the world... :yes:

Sucks to be under 25 though for insurance purposes. Maybe you could consider a Citroen 2CV..?

Well, I wouldn't turn down another Morrie :Punk: such a cool car.

[Virago]

You'd think so :sweatdrop but I'm 24 and driving an "expensive to fix Euro car" and it's "powerful" because it's 2435cc :facepalm: 125kw in a 1460kg car is not what I would call powerful...at all
In saying that, nobody wants to steal one :D

Lol. There's advantages to being an old fart. I got full compehensive coverage on the Jag, $250 excess, full glass coverage - $28 a month. You'll get there... :yes:

[ducatilover]

Lol. There's advantages to being an old fart. I got full compehensive coverage on the Jag, $250 excess, full glass coverage - $28 a month. You'll get there... :yes:

I'll pay the rice to stay young, fit and virile :corn:

[Virago]

I'll pay the rice to stay young, fit and virile :corn:

Jeez, I'll settle for any one of those three...:pinch:

[ducatilover]

Jeez, I'll settle for any one of those three...:pinch:

Yeah, but then you couldn't own an awesome Jag :yes:


Mind you, owning a silver-beige Volvo 850 at 24... hmmm

[Edbear]

Lol. There's advantages to being an old fart. I got full compehensive coverage on the Jag, $250 excess, full glass coverage - $28 a month. You'll get there... :yes:

But will the Jag? :shutup:

[Virago]

But will the Jag? :shutup:

Jags never break down. They are incredibly complex machines which simply require regular "fine tuning"...:pinch:

[Edbear]

Jags never break down. They are incredibly complex machines which simply require regular "fine tuning"...:pinch:

There are a few models of Jaguar that I would own in an instant! :yes:

[Maha]

There are a few models of Jaguar that I would own in an instant! :yes:

First time I ever went 100mph was in a MK2 Jag...mmmmm late 70's it was.

[nodrog]

...... I'm very good at polishing things and I'm cheap too, ;)

how much to polish my helmet?

[ducatilover]

how much to polish my helmet?

Free, I'd be honoured to rub it.

[Maha]

Free, I'd be honoured to rub it.

Too cheap, he would actually pay you.

[ducatilover]

Too cheap, he would actually pay you.

I'm a little worried. I don't want AIDS again

[Edbear]

I'm a little worried. I don't want AIDS again

Again...? :wait:

[awayatc]

must have done st John's first aids......

[MIXONE]

Jags never break down. They are incredibly complex machines which simply require regular "fine tuning"...:pinch:

I had a Mk7 for a while and all it cost me was petrol money,lots of petrol money.