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bugjuice
16th August 2005, 15:03
found this story on another forum (a us kawa forum, don't worry, I'm not going anywhere..). The gist - this guy didn't listen to the advice of others. In the US, there's no restriction on what bike you can have for the first one. Perhaps he was lucky not to go ahead and buy a thou. But he bought a 636 instead. His story:

OK lets see... None of my family, friends, co-workers wanted me to get a bike. oh your going to kill yourself, your going to crash, typical things people say. But no I had to buy a bike and my first mistake I bought a new 04 636 for my first bike.

I managed to get 1400 miles before I crashed. In those miles I experienced head shake a couple of times. I have hit a bumps in the end of a corner, now that scared the shit out of me. Also accelerating onto a empty freeway shifting into 3rd at about 95mph which is most likely my fault for not being smoother...

now the fun part. I went for a ride Sunday Nov 20th 2004. great day just going to et breakfast at the parents. I was wearing my Helmet, Joe Rocket Jacket (none leather), my well padded Camel pack leather full length gloves, Levis, and my vans.

OK at a stop light in front in the left of the 2 lanes going my direction with a 1/2 mile empty straight. Light turns green. I accelerate at a moderate pace shifting about +/-12k into second, then 3rd was about +/- 10k putting me somewhere in the 90 to 100mph? right? well i shifted into 3rd hard enough to bring the front off the ground a little. Well it was enough to induce massive head shake. I tried to ride it out, but it just got worse. The bike started veering to the right lane and the 4' wide shoulder to a 6" curb to 3' of dirt, then a 6' cyclone fence and big redwoods lined the fence. This is what I'm looking at as I veer into the right lane, So instead of staying on for the ride i jumped off the back. ya I jumped off the back probably at 75mph. I remember tumbling violently then sliding into the curb ankles first, then continue to slide, tried to get up but still sliding and ate it again, then continued to slide on my back and saying to my self.. "Holy shit I'm still sliding don't get up wait till you stop" I slide for about 50' waiting to stop. I finally stopped 250' from when i first started to slide, skip, tumble according to police.

When I first stopped I was still in the right lane I looked down to see my right ankle hanging what seem to look like flesh and muscle. I still was able to pick myself up on my left leg and get over to the shoulder on some grass. I looked down and just saw blood spurting out of my right fibula and could see everything inside my ankle. My left ankle at this point was hurting worse which was funny since it was all together compared to the other. I was conscious during the whole thing.. from start till surgery. Had to sit in pain for 10min for ambulance, 15min for them to get me into the ambulance and 20min for the hospital ride in a bumpy ass ambulance. I told the EMT that Cadillac should make ambulances. I mean really the ride sucked. Then goes to say I have a piece of you bone in a paper towel that a bystander found on the side of the rode. lol I was like really... shit thats not good.. the police also said there was a fleshy trail of where i slide from my right leg dragging on the asphalt.

My helmet never hit the ground, my Jacket was slightly damaged, pads saved my shoulder, pack back took allot of abuse saved my back, Levis have holes all over, Gloves took abuse right in the wrist area on both gloves, Shoes might be bloody.

OK, so the final tally was 13 days in trauma, 12 days normal hospital room. Shattered right lowered Fibula (4 pieces), Fractured a lower Tabula in half, also missing 6 inches of nerve, 3 surgery's total for right leg. Left leg shattered fibula in pieces where it connects to ankle. Just one surgery for left leg. Its almost been 4 months since i have walked.... shit

The right lower leg will be amputated in march..... oh ya I'm gonna be Bionic bitch's
The left leg I should be able to weight bear in a week or so...

Kaiser insurance payed so far with out amputation $175,000....

Was getting a bike worth it? no, but fuck it was fun

Will ride again? hell ya, but not for a while

Sniper
16th August 2005, 15:06
Pays to learn to ride. Poor guy thogh. At least he is determined to have another go!

ManDownUnder
16th August 2005, 15:14
not sure what to say really...

testosterone + horsepower = balls ground away on freeway at 80mph...

dickhead

enigma51
16th August 2005, 15:15
Fuck he must have been wearing sneakers or something

bungbung
16th August 2005, 15:18
Fuck he must have been wearing sneakers or something

He said he was wearing vans (skate shoes = sneakers)

mikey
16th August 2005, 15:23
so glad i was wearign boots an leather pants yesterday, not normal for me but saved me some skin an knee caps.

i reckon this guy would of crashed if he was on his granmas nifty fifty.
some people have a tendency to crash no matter what there riding..

Wolf
16th August 2005, 15:23
Fuck he must have been wearing sneakers or something


I was wearing my Helmet, Joe Rocket Jacket (none leather), my well padded Camel pack leather full length gloves, Levis, and my vans.

"Vans" are shoes - the ones I saw on-line were sport shoes (sneakers)

edit: bungbung is quicker on the draw than I

T.I.E
16th August 2005, 15:24
ok that is interesting. he knew everything and wants it all now.
idiot. they are the types whom drive up insurances on bikes. idiot

Waylander
16th August 2005, 15:31
Hmm Could be worse... Could be like me and everytime he wrecks wants to upgrade to a bigger bike.:ride:

Postie
16th August 2005, 15:31
pussy! i shattered (broke in 4 places............. that ain't shattered, thats just shagged, shattered is at least 6) so i broke my leg in 4 places and was back riding BJ's loaner (sshhh GSX-R 250) around, albeit badly but i did it and only for a wee while, with my cast on....... wasn't the smoothest of gear changes.
Difference is, i was smart enough to wear boots and leathers on me legs so i kept my fleshy bits.
Gotta say though, totally sucks that he lost a leg.......

Squiggles
16th August 2005, 16:02
bugger, too much power, not enough brains i think......

bugjuice
16th August 2005, 16:06
found the photos of this dude's leg before it came off..
not the prettiest, but I've seen worse

Lou Girardin
16th August 2005, 16:21
Darwin missed out this time. There WILL be a next time.

Smorg
16th August 2005, 17:14
What a fool he derserves it should have been riding in a singlet a pair of speedos and thongs darwin would have got him for sure

NC
16th August 2005, 17:21
What a fool he derserves it should have been riding in a singlet a pair of speedos and thongs darwin would have got him for sure
No one derserves that..

Lou Girardin
16th August 2005, 17:24
No one derserves that..

Self-inflicted. Too bad, how sad................never mind.

Storm
16th August 2005, 17:48
Ditto. Theres no mention of him getting track time or any serious riding tuition.
Thus him= idiot

quickbuck
8th December 2005, 16:30
Yep, never learnt to ride properly in the first place. Good on him for telling his story, but it doesn't do anything to my opinion of his mental capicity.

flash
8th December 2005, 16:50
could he ride again?, having no foot and all...

Kornholio
8th December 2005, 17:38
Fuck!!....who is his insurance company, I could have been a millionaire by now :\

Macktheknife
8th December 2005, 17:49
This guy sounds like a no longer complete idiot! lol
I dont have enough words for this kind of stupid!

Test Pilot
8th December 2005, 18:00
what an idiot, he was lucky there wasnt a car involved, and lucky he didnt hit those trees. Some people dont learn ayy "HDTBoy" haha

Eurodave
8th December 2005, 18:11
There are old bikers & there are bold bikers but there are no old bold bikers:msn-wink:

Colapop
8th December 2005, 18:17
send him this link
http://www.atsb.govt.au/
(motorcycle skills video)

SuperDave
8th December 2005, 18:25
Sucks for him and he should consider himself lucky to not be dead I reckon.
I must say that I think the capacity restrictions here in NZ are good but would be better to be a power restriction like they do in Britain but with a bit more than 33hp limit IMO.

What the hell is the speed limit on the freeways/highways anyway? (In USA)

Eurodave
8th December 2005, 18:26
Motorbicycling can be a very unforgiving sport, the weakminded ,impetuous & foolhardy are soon eliminated :bash:

flash
8th December 2005, 18:40
send him this link
http://www.atsb.govt.au/
(motorcycle skills video)

link dont work

Colapop
8th December 2005, 18:45
How bout this...?
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/order_forms/safety_materials_road.aspx

Sh*t it's the link to the Motorcycle skills DVD in the other thread.
Not funny anymore (sucks f*cking up punchlines)

myvice
8th December 2005, 19:16
I must say that I think the capacity restrictions here in NZ are good but would be better to be a power restriction like they do in Britain but with a bit more than 33hp limit IMO.

Don’t knock the 33hp limit, most 4 cylinder 250's are around this anyway and we (me) still manage to hurt ourselves.
I find I'll push a 250 a lot harder than any of the other bikes I’ve owned or ridden tho so maybe it is just me?
The old 550 XJ I had would have made a good learner bike even if it was a bit heavy.
What is the restriction for a first bike in Australia? Different states have different laws but I think it’s a power to weight thing they have instead of a cc rating.

texmo
8th December 2005, 19:32
ok that is interesting. he knew everything and wants it all now.
idiot. they are the types whom drive up insurances on bikes. idiot
Bike insurance is cheep, I pay $1k a year and $1300 excess If I crash $700 1st party and $600 3rd party, my brother who has been driving scince 15 and is 22 now with a clean record pays $2000 a year and $2000 excess, his car is only worth $1500 more than my bike s insured for...

sunhuntin
8th December 2005, 21:50
had a practise ride yesterday for the toy run on sunday..... going into marton via the back roads [first turn off just before going past the turakina signs] narrow country road, two of those "giveway" bridges, both on the other side of a slight rise.

i get over the rise for the second bridge, see one bike lying on its side, and the rider sitting in the ditch with a few of the guys around him...only just recently bought the bike [bmw] something like 1100cc, previous bike however long ago was a 650. seems he took the corner to wide or fast and panicked. bike was facing up hill, when it should have been facing down. rider escaped with a busted up wrist and a lesson learned.

bugger for the guy who wrote that, but maybe a good lesson for him, and also for the new riders.

Damon
9th December 2005, 06:02
I wonder if his friends and family gave him the "i told you so" speach?

Some one who goes thrashing a weapon like a 636 around after only 1400mls of total road time...idiot doesn't really cover it, have to admire his attitude though but i think he has bigger balls than brains.

Brett
9th December 2005, 10:59
Call me an idiot...but since i ride a 250 i have never encountered headshaking (the same thing as tankslap??). What would you do to recover the bike? I imagine it is caused by rough acceleration, bad gear changes??
I will be getting a 636 next year, and would like to know what i would do to recover the machine if this ever happens. I will be spending much of my time to begin with at puke, learning how the thing moves.

bugjuice
9th December 2005, 13:48
headshake is a tankslap. So called, cos when it really gets going, the handle bars will slap the tank back and forth. That's a bad day.

Tankslap is mostly brought on by high acceleration. The front gets light, and could skip along the road. As it skips (only a mm is needed to get it going), you could hit a small bump or just be pulling harder on one side of the bike more than the other. It'll then touch down and not be facing forward with the rest of the bike, so it'll bounce to the other side as a reaction. But that's not forward either, so it'll bounce back and so on. There's the slapping action if it gets too carried away.

I get slaps all the time on my bike (good fun now), cos the front isn't set up right and it needs a damper. But when it does happen, the best thing to do is relax and don't try to fight it, cos you probably won't win. Just let it do it's thing and ease off slightly, and it'll right itself in no time.

a 250 rarely has this issue, cos you need the power to be lifting the front. And you need to really be giving the bike some shit to get a good slap going. So chances are, that you'll not encounter one for ages while you're getting used to the bike. Just be weary of ripples on corners (trucks pull the road up) and on exits of corners where you'll be accelerating out of the corner, and just keep your whits about you. But the main thing is to relax! And no, you're no idiot :niceone:

Skyryder
9th December 2005, 17:50
Just another reason why I ride a cruiser. No tank slapping for me. I'm the boss and not the bike.

Hard lesson to learn that you have to loose some of what God gave you.

Slow down next time ol' son whoever you are.

Skyryder

jonbuoy
15th December 2005, 20:39
Just goes to show how quickly things can go wrong and how your brain sometimes tells you to do stupid stuff - our instincts weren't designed to cope with 100KM+ speeds. Spent 4 months on crutches after highsiding a GSXR600 and fracturing my heel (after the back slid my stupid brain told me to shut the throttle - if I'd held it open would've probably only done a GP style tail slide, my fault - didn't exactly have a whole lot of time to think about the options). Can't believe how unsympathetic some people are - he was stupid to be wearing sneakers - but if its your everyday transport you don't always dress up in the full leathers to nip down the shops to get a pack of smokes. Sucks to hear of any biker being injured - their fault or not.