Some people just have to learn the hard way [Archive]

Banditbandit

22nd March 2013, 12:52

http://clearnet.co.nz/news-story.html?national~851758 :brick:

Well, he's not goign to learn now is he .. he just earned a darwin Award nomination

WTF was the muppet doing smoking in the first place? If he required an O2 bottle to breathe properly, then something was obviously wrong with his respiratory system.

Yes ... but then dumb fuckers are dumb fuckers ...

Edbear

22nd March 2013, 13:24

Well, he's not goign to learn now is he .. he just earned a darwin Award nomination

Yes ... but then dumb fuckers are dumb fuckers ...

Well he learnt the hard way, just happens he died shortly thereafter. :Oops:

Monkfish

22nd March 2013, 13:37

Honestly when this happens, I have no sympathy.

after these stupidity tests are failed, you have to take a step back and say, is the world better place since poor (Insert name here) is gone.

Most of the time the awnser is yes, so it is no skin off of my nose. :yes:

Maha

22nd March 2013, 14:14

''The coroner says it should be a strong lesson for all who are prescribed supplementary oxygen and P labs''.....shouldn't laugh really, but :killingme

awa355

22nd March 2013, 14:18

http://clearnet.co.nz/news-story.html?national~851758 :brick:

Some just dont learn, I used to take an old chap across to the Waikato hospital for renal dialysis. Nothing to see an obese lump hooked up to a dialysis machine for up to 6 hours. A 2L bottle of coke, and a giant packet of potato chips in his bag. Others munching on biscuts, family bringing in fast foods for lunch.

Their bored kids wrecking the medical equipment. The nurses getting abused from patients ( some) and the families.

Katman

22nd March 2013, 15:11

Banditbandit

22nd March 2013, 15:19

While I'm not particularly sympathetic to the person in the article, I do find myself wondering how different the reaction on here would be if the article was about a motorcyclist who died from a wheel stand gone bad.

Umm .. there's a good chance that pulling a wheelie will not result in death (sure it happens sometimes - but I and others have pulled wheelies and not been killed - or even harmed) ... but lighting a cigarette around Oxygen, after you've been warned not to because it will kill you is just dumb ... because it will kill you - or at least do serious harm ...

Sorry mate, but I don't see that the two situations are the same ...

Katman

22nd March 2013, 15:28

Umm .. there's a good chance that pulling a wheelie will not result in death (sure it happens sometimes - but I and others have pulled wheelies and not been killed - or even harmed) ... but lighting a cigarette around Oxygen, after you've been warned not to because it will kill you is just dumb ... because it will kill you - or at least do serious harm ...

Sorry mate, but I don't see that the two situations are the same ...

If you think about it, there's very real similarities.

Edbear

22nd March 2013, 18:42

So you wish to warn bikers that they must not perform wheel stands because it is certain they will die.

Not even close. The deceased was in a volatile environment where any spark or flame was going to result in an explosion, just like lighting a ciggie while filling your bike up at a gas station. He was specifically told not to light up.

How you equate that to pulling a wheelie is weird. But then... :weird:

Katman

22nd March 2013, 19:01

Edbear

22nd March 2013, 19:16

The person in the article might not have fully understood the danger he was in.

Can motorcyclists claim the same ignorance?

You obviously didn't read the full article. He was specifically instructed on more one occasion and both verbal and written warnings were given.

Wheelying a bike may or may not result in an accident depending on the rider's skill and may lead to injury or death depending upon location and speed. This muppet was not in a situation that was so vague and variable.

Katman

22nd March 2013, 19:18

Wheelying a bike may or may not result in an accident depending on the rider's skill and may lead to injury or death depending upon location and speed. This muppet was not in a situation that was so vague and variable.

Really?

I could stand there all day trying to light the oxygen in my oxy/acetylene set.

Edbear

22nd March 2013, 19:22

Really?

I could stand there all day trying to light the oxygen in my oxy/acetylene set.

Well in that case the hospital staff didn't know what they were talking about then, eh? Gave false warnings they did... :facepalm:

Katman

22nd March 2013, 19:25

Well in that case the hospital staff didn't know what they were talking about then, eh? Gave false warnings they did... :facepalm:

So someone gets told "Don't light a cigarette around this machine - it could be dangerous" and someone gets told "Don't compromise your stability when it's of critcal importance to you".

Where's the difference?

DrunkenMistake

22nd March 2013, 19:36

So someone gets told "Don't light a cigarette around this machine - it could be dangerous" and someone gets told "Don't compromise your stability when it's of critcal importance to you".

Where's the difference?

^^ Even though Katman is playing fun police he does have a point,

To say he doesn't would probably have to come under a heading like.. "Some people just have to learn the hard way"..

Katman

22nd March 2013, 19:48

^^ Even though Katman is playing fun police he does have a point,

To say he doesn't would probably have to come under a heading like.. "Some people just have to learn the hard way"..

I'm giving you a gold star.

Edbear

22nd March 2013, 19:55

^^ Even though Katman is playing fun police he does have a point,

To say he doesn't would probably have to come under a heading like.. "Some people just have to learn the hard way"..

As usual, he has inside information nobody else has. He knows all about oxygen machines in hospital and he knows better than the staff who were there. He knows exactly what was said, what instructions were given and why the idiot lit up.

As always his ego gets in the way of the facts and he remains true to his presumptive self. :yes:

Edbear

22nd March 2013, 19:58

I'm giving you a gold star.

A gold star from Katman! What a recommendation! Either you are as naive as he is or he totally missed your point... :pinch:

DrunkenMistake

22nd March 2013, 19:59

As usual, he has inside information nobody else has. He knows all about oxygen machines in hospital and he knows better than the staff who were there. He knows exactly what was said, what instructions were given and why the idiot lit up.

As always his ego gets in the way of the facts and he remains true to his presumptive self. :yes:

But you're suggesting that knowing smoking around the O2 tank was dangerous is stupid if you smoked around the O2 tank,

But popping a wheel stand knowing you could over cook it, lose control, set it down wrong, someone cut you off etc is fine to do so long as you know that?

Katman

22nd March 2013, 20:01

A gold star from Katman! What a recommendation! Either you are as naive as he is or he totally missed your point... :pinch:

You're getting an Ef.

Edbear

22nd March 2013, 20:03

But you're suggesting that knowing smoking around the O2 tank was dangerous is stupid if you smoked around the O2 tank,

But popping a wheel stand knowing you could over cook it, lose control, set it down wrong, someone cut you off etc is fine to do so long as you know that?

Posts 11&13 answer that.

You're getting an Ef.

Cool! The day I get a Gold Star from you I will either have completely lost the plot or you will have become the opposite of who you are.

Katman

22nd March 2013, 20:06

Cool! The day I get a Gold Star from you I will either have completely lost the plot or you will have become the opposite of who you are.

Forget option 2.

Edbear

22nd March 2013, 20:17

Forget option 2.

Okee dokee, first option still true... :yes:

FJRider

22nd March 2013, 20:27

But you're suggesting that knowing smoking around the O2 tank was dangerous is stupid if you smoked around the O2 tank,

I've known a few muppet bikers to check the fuel level in their tank with a cigarette lighter (or match) ... with varying results.

But motorcycling is dangerous. The risks we choose to take ... are up to US.

As was the risk ... the subject of this thread took.

It didn't end well for him ... nor does it always end well for us ...

Katman

22nd March 2013, 21:13

Posts 11&13 answer that.

Really Ed?

Do some research.

Owl

23rd March 2013, 07:05

You obviously didn't read the full article. He was specifically instructed on more one occasion

Perhaps true, but the article didn't actually say that Ed.

Edbear

23rd March 2013, 07:34

Perhaps true, but the article didn't actually say that Ed.

Having been in several hospitals for various reasons over the last 30 years or so, including within the last six months, when I read, "all the proper warnings were given," I think it is reasonable to infer they didn't just tell him once. Especially if he was a smoker.

Edbear

23rd March 2013, 07:35

Really Ed?

Do some research.

Says he who would never do such a thing... :yes:

Maha

23rd March 2013, 07:56

A gold star from Katman! What a recommendation! Either you are as naive as he is or he totally missed your point... :pinch:

He normally does things way more X Rated....:killingme

Owl

23rd March 2013, 08:03

Especially if he was a smoker.

In saying that Ed, I've witnessed first hand how they push the anti-smoking line in hospital. Not that I disagree, but they do go over the top IMO and tend to harp on.

Perhaps all this guy heard was "blah blah blah"? Still a stupid thing to do either way!:facepalm:

YellowDog

23rd March 2013, 10:36

Even whilst connected to an Oxygen machine :yes:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10873100&ref=rss

:yes: Darwin strikes again :yes:

Madness

23rd March 2013, 11:12

Serial reposter strikes again. :facepalm:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/157542-Some-people-just-have-to-learn-the-hard-way?highlight=oxygen

Edbear

23rd March 2013, 12:58

In saying that Ed, I've witnessed first hand how they push the anti-smoking line in hospital. Not that I disagree, but they do go over the top IMO and tend to harp on.

Perhaps all this guy heard was "blah blah blah"? Still a stupid thing to do either way!:facepalm:

Can't argue with that, mate!

mashman

23rd March 2013, 16:18

It would seem that banning oxygen for everyone would be the way to go.

Edbear

23rd March 2013, 18:11

Sable. Red repping me with lame and pathetic attempts to insult me only serve to show me how low an IQ you have. Why aren't you brave enough to insult me in a post? Then everyone can see how low your IQ is... :yawn:

Edbear

23rd March 2013, 18:12

It would seem that banning oxygen for everyone would be the way to go.

Hmmmm... I can see a possible downside to that...

FJRider

23rd March 2013, 19:01

In saying that Ed, I've witnessed first hand how they push the anti-smoking line in hospital. Not that I disagree, but they do go over the top IMO and tend to harp on.

Perhaps ... they have seen many die from the end result of smoking related illnesses ... and know they will continue to see (and treat) many more .. with the the certainty of similar end results :yawn:

Can you really blame them .. ??? ;)

Perhaps all this guy heard was "blah blah blah"? Still a stupid thing to do either way!:facepalm:

Look on the bright side ... he probably remembered them saying that ... AND .... knew they were right .... :yes:

When he heard the BOOM ... :facepalm:

Yow Ling

23rd March 2013, 19:06

Look on the bright side ... he probably remembered them saying that ... AND .... knew they were right .... :yes:

When he heard the BOOM ... :facepalm:

There was no boom
"Patrick John Ferris, 53, of Gore, died on August 14 in Southland Hospital from burns and inhalation injuries to his throat and lungs."

FJRider

23rd March 2013, 19:24

There was no boom
"Patrick John Ferris, 53, of Gore, died on August 14 in Southland Hospital from burns and inhalation injuries to his throat and lungs."

Read my post ... (and what the fuck did you think caused the burns ... ???) the "BOOM" may not have killed him straight away. But would have given him time to consider his actions ... afterwards ...

Yow Ling

23rd March 2013, 19:30

Read my post ... (and what the fuck did you think caused the burns ... ???) the "BOOM" may not have killed him straight away. But would have given him time to consider his actions ... afterwards ...

I did read your post, where did you find out about the boom ?, oxygen is not explosive, it simply supports combustion, a little too well on this occasion

FJRider

23rd March 2013, 19:38

I did read your post, where did you find out about the boom ?, oxygen is not explosive, it simply supports combustion, a little too well on this occasion

It's a common occurrence ... in this AND other countries ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2238570/Scottish-NHS-dossier-reveals-failings-lead-death.html

Ocean1

23rd March 2013, 19:43

Can you really blame them .. ???

No. But you can remember that their advice is coulured by their extreme exposure to pain and death.

Hands up how many nurses have seen someone with advanced emphysema smoking through a trachie. :facepalm:

Yow Ling

23rd March 2013, 19:50

It's a common occurrence ... in this AND other countries ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2238570/Scottish-NHS-dossier-reveals-failings-lead-death.html

Whatever, you clearly know everything
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_will_make_oxygen_explode

FJRider

23rd March 2013, 19:54

No. But you can remember that their advice is coulured by their extreme exposure to pain and death.

Hands up how many nurses have seen someone with advanced emphysema smoking through a trachie. :facepalm:

Their advice is also coloured by the enforced policy of the respective hospital boards ... and their continued employment is usually reliant ... on their keeping to that policy.

FJRider

23rd March 2013, 19:56

Whatever, you clearly know everything

Yep ....................

You catch on quick ...

Edbear

24th March 2013, 10:31

"Last Thursday night around midnight, a woman from Houston , Texas was ...arrested, jailed, and charged with manslaughter for shooting a man 6 times in the back as he was running away with her purse.

The following Monday morning, the woman was called in front of the Arraignment Judge, sworn-in, and asked to explain her actions.
...
The woman replied, "I was standing at the corner bus stop for about 15 minutes, waiting for the bus to take me home after work. I am a waitress at a local cafe. I was there alone, so I had my right hand on my pistol in my purse hanging on my left shoulder. All of a sudden I was spun around hard to my left. As I caught my balance, I saw a man running away with my purse. I looked down at my right hand and saw that my fingers were wrapped tightly around my pistol. The next thing I remember is saying out loud, "No Way Punk! You're not stealing my pay check and tips." I raised my right hand, pointed my pistol at the man running away from me with my purse, and started squeezing the trigger of my pistol.

When asked by the arraignment judge, "Why did you shoot the man 6 times? The woman replied under oath, "Because, when I pulled the trigger the 7th time, it only went click."

The woman was acquitted of all charges. She was back at work the next day! That's Gun Control, Texas Style"