Team ESE the darkside

[Gigglebutton]

Here's some photos of the FXR/RS so far.
Still have to fit new oil cooler & plumb up, make airbox, spark erode output shaft so the sprockets line up and wire it up
Bike weighs now 82ks

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[crazy man]

good job! are you racing at the gp?

[Gigglebutton]

good job! are you racing at the gp?

Yep :) Jaden or Glen can ride it, if I can get it finished in time. Shit loads still to do and would like to run it at Mt Welly to give it a shake down, before we go any where.

[chrisc]

Nice!

Where the hell are people getting these RS chassis' from?

[quallman1234]

Nice!

Where the hell are people getting these RS chassis' from?

There's heaps of NF4's around. They are not really worth keeping as a 125GP bike anymore... Unless for a mint museum piece

But by my count there's only 2 maybe 3 NX4's and a TZ125 chassis hiding away.
ESE have an ex Moto-Academy 95
Glen Orwin sold his rolling chassis to his boss
and a TZ125 roller was sold ages back...

The NX4's are still worth 6k with a low mileage engine 98+ but the 95's will slowly come up for sale... As the engines are slightly different and require a different rebuild set/parts running out. The 98+ bikes are still reasonable easy to get parts for.

[Gigglebutton]

Nice!

Where the hell are people getting these RS chassis' from?

The one in the picture is Glens. I have another that's in bits, I bought on Ebay from Aus 2 years ago

[F5 Dave]

looks good, apart from the dirty 4 stroke engine of course:oi-grr:

[chrisc]

Well if anyone hears of a NF4 chassis for sale - preferably with shocks etc - please PM me.

I'm looking forward to seeing this at the GP!

[Gigglebutton]

Well if anyone hears of a NF4 chassis for sale - preferably with shocks etc - please PM me.

I'm looking forward to seeing this at the GP!

The one I got in Aus was through one of the bucket racers over there

[jasonu]

The one I got in Aus was through one of the bucket racers over there

The silver one on Aussie Ebay a year or so ago maybe?

The odd one comes up over here. Generally whole bikes but for not much cash as the yanks mostly want the 4 strokes now and that devalues the NX4's. Getting one shipped to NZ doesn't cost too much if you can talk the seller into dismanteling and boxing it up.

[kel]

Well if anyone hears of a NF4 chassis for sale - preferably with shocks etc - please PM me.

Sort out the pipe on the FXR and go and race it hard. Find/reach its limits before bothering with the big budget (for a bucket) racer.
I have those RS cush rubbers for you, give me a call to arrange pick up.

[Gigglebutton]

[QUOTE=jasonu;1130521572]The silver one on Aussie Ebay a year or so ago maybe?

Yep 2 years

[quallman1234]

Sort out the pipe on the FXR and go and race it hard. Find/reach its limits before bothering with the big budget (for a bucket) racer.
I have those RS cush rubbers for you, give me a call to arrange pick up.

I agree. The FXR is a very under-rated chassis. Stock its not bad at all... Minus the pipe...

PS I have a NX4 rolling frame for sale.... Oh has a engine and many spare parts too... 6000$ ;). Cheap bucket chassis.

[andrew a]

Nice work looks great.

[chrisc]

Sort out the pipe on the FXR and go and race it hard. Find/reach its limits before bothering with the big budget (for a bucket) racer.
I have those RS cush rubbers for you, give me a call to arrange pick up.

I'm all over this and I agree Kel!

...but I want to start piecing together a RS because it will be a while until it is going and I don't want that wait around when it's time. The FXR isn't going anywhere and I'm far from reaching its limit.

[Gigglebutton]

[QUOTE=kel;1130521575]Sort out the pipe on the FXR and go and race it hard. Find/reach its limits before bothering with the big budget (for a bucket) racer.

Its just fun building things like this. :D

[TZ350]

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ESE Chair, could be looking at the Dark Side and CVT. Does that mean 4T and CVT is a Double Dark

[Gigglebutton]

Work has been slow as I had to spend Easter with my family but back into it now :)

The tank is finished. Yoshi style bell mouth holder made. Wiring started. A long way to go before the GP :(

[cotswold]

Work has been slow as I had to spend Easter with my family but back into it now :)

The tank is finished. Yoshi style bell mouth holder made. Wiring started. A long way to go before the GP :(


Daz that is looking awesome ! :gob:

[Gigglebutton]

Daz that is looking awesome ! :gob:

Cheers Tim

[Gigglebutton]

Got the output shaft back today. Spline cut 20mm longer to get the sprockets in line.

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[bucketracer]

Very Impressive

[crazy man]

Got the output shaft back today. Spline cut 20mm longer to get the sprockets in line.

280958heck some work gone into this. l'v got to build a spear engine now )-:

[Gigglebutton]

Work going slow but, battery and electrics holders made front number board, some plastic and paint on it and the wiring started

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[Gigglebutton]

heck some work gone into this. l'v got to build a spear engine now )-:

This is way easier than building a frame like yours. I have my spare in the frame but the crank is shagged :(

[cotswold]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151405985303110&set=vb.384582714967081&type=2&theater

check this out

[Gigglebutton]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151405985303110&set=vb.384582714967081&type=2&theater

check this out

Thats cool

[chrisc]

Here's one of it being used. Nice work!

http://christophercain.cc/b/d/tokgp13/IMG_1586.jpg

[Gigglebutton]

Wow a very nice shot. Do you have the ones of Glens crash as well.
We were pretty happy with the bike but the reason Glen crashed was a lack of feel in the front, because of the changes we made on Sunday to compensate for not having a heavy enough fork spring. We have 2 x 65 springs in it but with the extra weight of the FXR engine we think we need a 65/70 set up. If we cant get the spring , I will get one made or shift the engine back towards the rear wheel. Still loads of work to do and hope to have 2 going by the North Island Champs at the end of this year.

[andrew a]

Fantastic looking bike. Well done. I did get front row viewing of both crashes. Hope he is OK.

[chrisc]

Wow a very nice shot. Do you have the ones of Glens crash as well.

Yeah I did, sorry for the large sizes in the middle of the thread. There are more photos of the event in my photo thread, click here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/153656-Chris-Bucket-photo-thread-Bandwidth-warning). There will also be a video coming soon

http://christophercain.cc/b/d/tokgp13/IMG_1397.jpg

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http://christophercain.cc/b/d/tokgp13/IMG_1399.jpg

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[kel]

great sequence :clap:
Giggles, a taller rider would have picked that up on the knee :lol:

[richban]

great sequence :clap:
Giggles a taller rider would have picked that up on the knee :lol:

I must admit I did give the bike a little push down on the front in the pits and thought few, he won't be there for long. You can see in the photo's that the front end is at full travel even before he starts to loose it. Must have been a bitch to ride. Well done for going as quick as he did.

[crazy man]

I must admit I did give the bike a little push down on the front in the pits and thought few, he won't be there for long. You can see in the photo's that the front end is at full travel even before he starts to loose it. Must have been a bitch to ride. Well done for going as quick as he did.tell us what you thought was wrong with it :Police:

[richban]

tell us what you thought was wrong with it :Police:

It was wrong. As giggles had already said. I think it had 2 springs in each leg as there was no time to find the correct one. I will go with wrong as the safe bet.

[crazy man]

It was wrong. As giggles had already said. I think it had 2 springs in each leg as there was no time to find the correct one. I will go with wrong as the safe bet.l must of heard giggles wrong thought it was stock and wanted to put stonger springs in it witch wound of worked not bad . thought in the pic it may of been the longer rs forks used around 97 .

[RMS eng]

It was wrong. As giggles had already said. I think it had 2 springs in each leg as there was no time to find the correct one. I will go with wrong as the safe bet.

2 forks springs in each leg,is that to stop the wheel hitting the pipe or motor when the forks are at full travel,as the CBR motor we are putting in a 98 RS125 frame has only a 30mm gap from the wheel to the cylinder at full travel.

[Gigglebutton]

We played around with the fork spring combinations on Saturday and ended up putting a 0.65 spring in each leg. We also added 3mm of oil to each fork as the springs where still a bit light with the FXR's extra weight. Glen said this felt good. The crash on Sunday in the photos, Glen was on his warm down lap and lost the back end at the top of the cork screw. He said, I just shut my F#$@king mind off and lost the back. We straightened the bike and he qualified third. Not bad for a bike we ran for the first time on Friday afternoon :) We added 2mm more oil to each forks for the GP as it was still a bit soft when braking.
On the 4th lap of the GP, he tried a different line, hit a big bump and binned it. F@#$K again.
Wheel clearance is not an issue. The larger oil cooler hit the mud guard on Friday going over a speed bump, so we dropped the forks a bit.
I found some 0.70 springs in the States that Bert is bringing in for me. We can use these as a pair but most likely we will use one of the 0.70 and one of the 3 softer springs. This will allow us to reduce the oil level and soften the top of the stroke.
Once I have this one is sorted, I have to build one for Jaden, rebuild my RG50 and get back to the AM6 project I started a year ago.

[richban]

We played around with the fork spring combinations on Saturday and ended up putting a 0.65 spring in each leg. We also added 3mm of oil to each fork as the springs where still a bit light with the FXR's extra weight. Glen said this felt good. The crash on Sunday in the photos, Glen was on his warm down lap and lost the back end at the top of the cork screw. He said, I just shut my F#$@king mind off and lost the back. We straightened the bike and he qualified third. Not bad for a bike we ran for the first time on Friday afternoon :) We added 2mm more oil to each forks for the GP as it was still a bit soft when braking.
On the 4th lap of the GP, he tried a different line, hit a big bump and binned it. F@#$K again.
Wheel clearance is not an issue. The larger oil cooler hit the mud guard on Friday going over a speed bump, so we dropped the forks a bit.
I found some 0.70 springs in the States that Bert is bringing in for me. We can use these as a pair but most likely we will use one of the 0.70 and one of the 3 softer springs. This will allow us to reduce the oil level and soften the top of the stroke.
Once I have this one is sorted, I have to build one for Jaden, rebuild my RG50 and get back to the AM6 project I started a year ago.

Well there you go. I am completely full of shit. Not sure where I got the idea there were 2 springs in there. I will slink away to my hole.:doh:

[Gigglebutton]

I have hopefully sorted some of the problems with the FXR'S front end. Had Norm at Suspension Tech have a look at the forks. They had 4 different valves and shim stacks and way to much clearance on the seals. Looks like the bike was stacked at some point and had mismatched forks stuck on it. Now they have new valves , shims and seals that work. :)

[quallman1234]

I have hopefully sorted some of the problems with the FXR'S front end. Had Norm at Suspension Tech have a look at the forks. They had 4 different valves and shim stacks and way to much clearance on the seals. Looks like the bike was stacked at some point and had mismatched forks stuck on it. Now they have new valves , shims and seals that work. :)

Beat ya Glen's gutted he never looked! Most RS's are like this. Mine had all sorts of fuckedness in it. Including rusting shims!

[Gigglebutton]

Beat ya Glen's gutted he never looked! Most RS's are like this. Mine had all sorts of fuckedness in it. Including rusting shims!

Yep. The rods where shagged as well.

[Gigglebutton]

Glen road the FXR's for the first time since the forks where rebuilt. We played around with the dampening on Saturday till he said the vagueness had gone. He lost the back and crashed on the 1st lap of the first race on cold tires from missing most of the warm up laps. He had average race results but did the 2nd fastest lap of the day.
We thought we may need more weight on the rear. So are going to make adjustable engine mounts so we can move the engine back maybe 5-10mm.
Still need to get it on the dyno as its running so rich it coughs black smoke.

[Moooools]

We played around with the dampening on Saturday till he said the vagueness had gone.

What did you find the optimum dampness was for the bike?
I personally like mine to be bone dry but I know some people prefer to dampen theirs with the garden hose. The real problem then is if it rains you can really over dampen the bike which can make it hard to hold on to. :innocent:

(There is no 'en' in damping. i.e. you dampen a towel and you damp a suspension system. (If my unnecessarily sarcastic/patronising post didn't get that across.))

[speedpro]

(If my sarcastic/patronising post didn't get that across.))

You are going to wake up one day welded to a bit of tread plate.

[Moooools]

You are going to wake up one day welded to a bit of tread plate.

What filler rod do you use for flesh to Ali welding?

[cotswold]

[
(There is no 'en' in damping. i.e. you dampen a towel and you damp a suspension system. (If my unnecessarily sarcastic/patronising post didn't get that across.))[/QUOTE]

Haven't seen you at buckets for a while, busy with study I imagine, here's something you can do at home that is obviously more of what you are into now.

http://www.clubpenguininsiders.com/forum/topic/18948-the-grammar-spelling-club/

[Henk]

What filler rod do you use for flesh to Ali welding?

Tek screws

[Moooools]

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Haven't seen you at buckets for a while, busy with study I imagine, here's something you can do at home that is obviously more of what you are into now.

http://www.clubpenguininsiders.com/forum/topic/18948-the-grammar-spelling-club/

Cool thanks for inviting me. What is your username there? Can't wait to join the community.
But really, where did you churn that up from?

And hey now I was there the time before last. And the time before the time before the time before last... yeah been a bit slack. Too much racecar not enough motorbike.

[Gigglebutton]

Fucking nerdy spelling Nazis. :)

[Gigglebutton]

What filler rod do you use for flesh to Ali welding?

I prefer a nail gun. :)

[mr bucketracer]

I prefer a nail gun. :)this is what you need
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-637106290.htm

[Gigglebutton]

One year since building the bike, Glen won the Dominic Howe Trophy, Glen and Avalon were second in the two hour and today Aaron was second in the Gp.
Aaron and Greg Hassan have sorted the handling problems. Hopefully next year we will have two bikes and 25hp motors. F@#k Yeah :)

[mr bucketracer]

One year since building the bike, Glen won the Dominic Howe Trophy, Glen and Avalon were second in the two hour and today Aaron was second in the Gp.
Aaron and Greg Hassan have sorted the handling problems. Hopefully next year we will have two bikes and 25hp motors. F@#k Yeah :)me thinks you should ride it next year F@#k Yeah lol

[Gigglebutton]

me thinks you should ride it next year F@#k Yeah lol

Hope to have 2 FXR'S and put my old FXR back together.The 2 hour will be fun, Aaron and Jadon on one bike, Glen and Jason on the other hopefully.
They can fight it out for a ride in the GP

Got to finish my nephews and daughters bikes and my RG50

The Dark Side
Fuck Yeah
:devil2:

[Gigglebutton]

Lucky we found these on the swingarm before the 2 hour. It cracked on the outside faces, in the weld between the RHS and the Ali casting.

[F5 Dave]

Owww. that's not pretty.

[Gigglebutton]

It's done a hell of a lot of K's since 1997. Apparently the frame the year after this had 0.5mm thicker ali to prevent it.

[mr bucketracer]

every second one i have had has crack the weld in the same place

[F5 Dave]

Sorry I forgot. . .

Ahh it'll buff out

[mr bucketracer]

so where are the picture of the blowen fxr

[F5 Dave]

Great, first 180cc engines and now you guys are supercharging them?

[mr bucketracer]

Great, first 180cc engines and now you guys are supercharging them?hell yea , it was 40 hp but

[Gigglebutton]

Now Tracy stopped crashing the bike, I thought I should put it on the dyno
Thanks to Rob (TZ350) we got some good gains tonight
Thanks Cully for the use of the Dyno

[mr bucketracer]

Whats ya figgers

[Pumba]

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Now Tracy stopped crashing the bike, I thought I should put it on the dyno
Thanks to Rob (TZ350) we got some good gains tonight
Thanks Cully for the use of the Dyno

Just another chick that walks round in short shorts and a bikini top in the middle of town and then gets pissed when guys check her out.

A big fucking tease!

[FastFred]

Whats ya figgers

324301

Click on it three times to expand it out, looks like 22+hp and 6k spread.

[F5 Dave]

You should know, you were there.

[timg]

Now Tracy stopped crashing the bike, I thought I should put it on the dyno
Thanks to Rob (TZ350) we got some good gains tonight
Thanks Cully for the use of the Dyno Good one! :)

[mr bucketracer]

Good one! :)yes:devil2::devil2:

[Gigglebutton]

yes:devil2::devil2:

Still a long way off your engines but its a start...Again

[mr bucketracer]

its not easy , tell you what , i see 22-23 hp on my dyno more offen than more power , your doing well , i could find 1-2 easy hp for you but then i would have to ride harder (-; , then regans 2 stroke , thats another story ...not fair ..lol

[timg]

its not easy , tell you what , i see 22-23 hp on my dyno more offen than more power , your doing well , i could find 1-2 easy hp for you but then i would have to ride harder (-; , then regans 2 stroke , thats another story ...not fair ..lol Blardy hell - don't tell the young, light, quick 'uns your secrets :no: Us old fat buggers need all the help we can get.....

[mr bucketracer]

Blardy hell - don't tell the young, light, quick 'uns your secrets :no: Us old fat buggers need all the help we can get.....your on it there , info comes with 50kg weights lol:lol:

[jasonu]

324301

Click on it three times to expand it out, looks like 22+hp and 6k spread.

I had that 20 years ago:first:

[TALLIS]

Just another chick that walks round in short shorts and a bikini top in the middle of town and then gets pissed when guys check her out.

A big fucking tease!

Your just pissed you don't get any compliments in your short shorts at the track

[mr bucketracer]

I had that 20 years ago:first:silly thing is , that bike would of laped everyone twice or more 20 years ago lol

[Gigglebutton]

Aaron set a new lap record

[chrisc]

Holy shitballs! Nathanael right there with a 28.502 also! Looks like I missed a blinder!

[Gigglebutton]

Holy shitballs! Nathanael right there with a 28.502 also! Looks like I missed a blinder!

Dippy was sick & not at his best but still busted that out before he crashed.

[mr bucketracer]

Aaron set a new lap recordmust be the tank lol if it was on bike that it:niceone: