boi racers..

[SARGE]

i need to have a rant about these geniuses who feel the need to tack a spoiler the size of a Cessna wing on the back of their car. What the hell is wrong with these guys?

I've put some thought into this question and there are really only two possible reasons why one might choose to add such an asinine accessory to his vehicle.


1) Because it increases performance or
2) because it looks good.

Let’s take these one at a time. Spoilers in theory increase performance in that at higher speeds the aerodynamics of the device put downward pressure on the back end of the car, increasing the coefficient of friction between the wheels and pavement. But you would need to be going a couple hundred miles per hour before this effect became beneficial. Not to mention, spoilers are designed for cars with rear wheel drive, not for cars like Hondas that typically have front wheel drive. Furthermore, the vertical wings or tips that many custom spoilers have do nothing. Absolutely nothing. So the conclusion is that these spoilers are not installed for utilitarian reasons. But of course, Asian guys already knew this. Most of them probably could have aced a college level aerodynamics class when they were still wearing diapers and most of their collegues (myself included) were sucking on pacifiers and finally figuring out if we squeezed the little bear in our crib it would squeak.

So this only leaves answer number two—because they look good.

THEY DON’T! They look like crap! How can you people be so damn intelligent yet not know that putting a four foot high piece of tinfoil on the back of your car makes you look like some high-tech version of white trash?! Seriously, it’s like some UFO crash landed in a redneck’s backyard right next to the Ford Edsel on cinderblocks and instead of turning the material into the government the redneck scratched his head and thought, “Damn, that there wing sure would look spiffy on the back of my Camero.” Come on people! You aren’t on the set of Too Fast and Too Furious! You aren’t driving a space ship! You are driving a freaking Honda! The company makes lawnmowers for God’s sake! You are driving a glorified lawnmower that you spent three G’s on to “trick out.” You couldn’t break a hundred miles per hour without that little piece of shit rattling apart!

Another thing - WASTEGATES!! JESUS GUYS.. at least set them higher than 3 pounds! you are killing the whole purpose of those things! i cant tell you how many times i get woken up at 3 am by some clown screaming his coffee-can mufflered Subaru off the light in front of my house, only to hear the rage-inducing "PHSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHT!!!" as he shifts into second gear ( about 3000 rpm too early) i wonder if a potato shoved into the outlet of these things would do the same thing as they would in a muffler....? at least his performance would increase slightly, as he would actually be able to BUILD BOOST for a fraction of a second more.

i had one of these "performance engineers" :tugger: roll up on me at a light this afternoon. there i am, minding my own business on my FJ (looking good though...) and this Honda pulls up next to me. i glance over at young Jimmy Chang in the drivers seat, with "Monica", his big breasted blond girlfriend riding Shotgun. He had it all man.. the big stainless coffee can, huge wing, copious amounts of styilized dragon decals and performance stickers for parts he probably didnt have on his car, neon gear lever, Chen Shing tires.. boomin cRap out of the 14" subs...

anyway.. i really dont see how he could have possible seen me break out laughing from beneath my helmet, :rofl: but apparantly he did. he starts spooling up as the yellow light flashes on the other road. soon as the green light hit on our side.. he launches off the line in a fury of front tire burning glee.
my reaction time was slightly lower for 2 reasons.

1) i didnt realize we were racing... and

2) i couldnt stop laughing long enough to get it into first gear.

soon as i DID realize, i gave it a twist and just as he was shifting into second, blasted by him and "Monica" like they accidentally went into reverse. i was waiting for the Nitrous Oxide decal that he had on his fender to work to at least give me a decent run, but all i got as i passed him was a "PHSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHT!!!"

Power to weight assclown.. look it up.

[thehollowmen]

"PHSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHT!!!" as he shifts into second gear ( about 3000 rpm too early)
(snip)
but all i got as i passed him was a "PHSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHT!!!"


That sounds like a premature ejaculation problem to me...
maybe he should leave the playing with his nuts to the professionals :tugger:

ok I better stop with the inuendo

[Devil]

Not to mention, spoilers are designed for cars with rear wheel drive, not for cars like Hondas that typically have front wheel drive. Furthermore, the vertical wings or tips that many custom spoilers have do nothing.
I hate the stupid spoiler thing too, BUT...
They're there for a reason, no matter what the drivetrain of the particular vehicle is. Its not just for getting power to the ground, its keep the car stable and stuck to the road while cornering. Take my mates race car for instance. Front wheel drive, needs a rather large wing on the back because theres no weight back there. It helps keep the back wheels on the ground while braking at speed (in the straights and corners) and stops the back of the car from overtaking the front when he's stomping round corners. Its all to do with holding the car down.

The vertical wings and tips (the ones that are there for a reason other than show) are for increasing stability at speed, straightening out turbulence as the air passes over/under the wing.

Im all for performance, but some of the wings you see around the place are just shit.

[Waylander]

Lol that's all they are good for. Giving us bikers something to laugh at as we pass them in thier pitifull attempt to drag us off the line.

Love doing that on my bike. They see big heavy cruiser and think slow. BAHAHAHA!!!! Slow compared to other bikes maybe but your crapper will be hard pressed to keep up with me let alone pass me buddy.

Had a guy back in the states (think it was a prelude) stick his head out the window and yell, "Rubber band power yea!!" in a mocking way. Viragos are shafties there isn't a rubber belt anywhere on the thing. I let him and his buddy (looked like a miata Del-sol or some such) get a bit ahead and then launched off. Actually mannaged to pull a wheelie (had full saddle bags and backpack on at the time, just ended my shift at work.) though a small one only 8 to 12 inches but held it up til I caught up with them. Then I had to shift to second bringing the front down and passing them. Stopped at the next light and said told the bastard his car had more belts than my bike. He didn't even look at me. Stupid idiots.

[SARGE]

Its not just for getting power to the ground, its keep the car stable and stuck to the road while cornering. Take my mates race car for instance. Front wheel drive, needs a rather large wing on the back because theres no weight back there. It helps keep the back wheels on the ground while braking at speed (in the straights and corners) and stops the back of the car from overtaking the front when he's stomping round corners. Its all to do with holding the car down.

The vertical wings and tips (the ones that are there for a reason other than show) are for increasing stability at speed, straightening out turbulence as the air passes over/under the wing.


exactly.. at SPEED.. very few times do i ever see on of these heaps of shit doing anything but power-launching off a light with a short shifting fart or posing in the Pack n save carpark..im all for race cars to have wings, rudders, dams etc.. they are performance cars .. not wank-mobiles..

[SARGE]

Actually mannaged to pull a wheelie

i try to never loft the front on the road (perfectly capable of it though).. i did a bit of 1/4 mile stuff back home on 2 and 4 wheels and you get much higher 0-100 times with all wheels in contact with the tarmac

( feet back.. lean over the front a bit get the revs up to 5000 or so and ditch the clutch, redline 1st, powershift 2nd.. redline, powershift 3rd, shortshift 4th... )
god i love those FJ motors.. :Punk:

[XP@]

The spoiler is like those TAXI signs except it says "STOP ME"

[Waylander]

i try to never loft the front on the road (perfectly capable of it though).. i did a bit of 1/4 mile stuff back home on 2 and 4 wheels and you get much higher 0-100 times with all wheels in contact with the tarmac

( feet back.. lean over the front a bit get the revs up to 5000 or so and ditch the clutch, redline 1st, powershift 2nd.. redline, powershift 3rd, shortshift 4th... )
god i love those FJ motors.. :Punk:
You'll note I had an extra load of crap on the back. Otherwise the front would never have lifted and would have passed them much sooner. Probably had an extra 20-25lbs of crap in my bags.

[SARGE]

Probably had an extra 20-25lbs of crap in my bags.


that musta smelled WONDERFULL!..

[Indiana_Jones]

Love it SARGE, rep on the way.
Like the part how you say your looking good lol :)

And Remember kids, there's two really cool things

1. STEVE MCQUEEN
2. TOP BIKER.....comming soon lol

-Indy

[XP@]

Ah... bikers strike back...
very silly bike (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports-tourer/auction-33613189.htm)
You too can be a boi racer on a bike... fudge this will be fast

[Gremlin]

For those wanker mobiles with blow-off valves, all it ever does is lose them 10kmh each time they shift. I was speaking to someone (Gareth_d maybe) who said he dragged something, and everytime the guy had to shift Gareth kept gaining/building a bigger lead.

My most amusing experience has been pulling onto Ti Rakau from the Pak Highway. Usually expect a short blip then right onto the back of a car. Except this was a hoon trying to accelerate fast, smoke bellowing from the car. Gave the bike a bit more throttle, and sure enough right up behind him. This on a little 250, with a lout like me on it... :rofl:

They are still good for a laugh though :yawn:

[SARGE]

Love it SARGE, rep on the way.
Like the part how you say your looking good lol :)

And Remember kids, there's two really cool things

1. STEVE MCQUEEN
2. TOP BIKER.....comming soon lol

-Indy


you forgot one Indy...

3) a pink 1959 Cadilac drop-top with white button tuck leather interior
cheers for the bling

[Motu]

I was driving a 3 something BMW the other day,about all it had was ghastly bling bling wheels,not even lowered,because I made him ''unlower'' it for last WoF :rofl: It had a huge tacho the size of a wall clock....and like,it has a tacho anyway? It had a monster red shift light - set at 3500rpm!! :no: I know both this kids parents,and they are nice intelligent people,but this kid is just so fucking stupid he can hardly talk,a total cretin.

And what REALLY pisses me off.....his girlfriend is HOT!!!! :oi-grr:

[Sniper]

I used to own a Boi racer mobile. It was a wee 1979 Toyota Starlet with a SR20DET sylvia motor transplant in it. It went fucken fast and with the syspension mods it cornered like a rocket too. The only problem was it went through tyres like a bastard. I never felt the need to dress it up, race anyone or prove myself so I was happy.

Not too long before coming to CHCH I woke up one ay and realised what a waste of time and money on this car. Sure it was mine and I was 1 of 4 people in NZ who have done this conversion in a starlet but hell, my bike was more fun. Im a converted Boi racer and Im proud of it

[thehollowmen]

And what REALLY pisses me off.....his girlfriend is HOT!!!! :oi-grr:

:psst: show her the really fast world of world of motorcycles :psst:

[vifferman]

We call the big aerofoils "God Handles" in our household (picture a big hand, reaching down out of the clouds, and using the handle to vroom the car along the road like a wind-up toy one, before letting it go....)
Aerofoils (and spoiler kits) need summat like 120 km/h + before they have any effect. So unless these guys are racing, they're a waste of time. Dumbest looking ones are those on small convertible sportscars, like the S2000 at the end of our street (like the Lambo up the road from us doesn't need a big wing, so why does the Honda?):weird:

The answer for all this crap on the cars (wings, blow-off valves, huge-arse tachos, etc.) is that it is solely there to impress their equally wanky mates, who truth be told, probably aren't impressed anyway. If the car's really kewl, they'll be jealous and rubbish it, and if it's really stupid, they'll rubbish it. So whichever way you look at it, it's a waste of time.

[MOTOXXX]

he must not have been too cool.
its cooler to have no wing at the moment. its funny to see peoples boots with big holes in them and coverd up with tape.


I also love the performance decals all down the sides of the doors. we call them "shopping lists"

lol

[Lou Girardin]

I hate the stupid spoiler thing too, BUT...
They're there for a reason, no matter what the drivetrain of the particular vehicle is. Its not just for getting power to the ground, its keep the car stable and stuck to the road while cornering. Take my mates race car for instance. Front wheel drive, needs a rather large wing on the back because theres no weight back there. It helps keep the back wheels on the ground while braking at speed (in the straights and corners) and stops the back of the car from overtaking the front when he's stomping round corners. Its all to do with holding the car down.

The vertical wings and tips (the ones that are there for a reason other than show) are for increasing stability at speed, straightening out turbulence as the air passes over/under the wing.

Im all for performance, but some of the wings you see around the place are just shit.

So he travels in excess of 160 k's all the time then?
Because that's when that shit starts to work. IF it's set up right.
What amazes me is that the LTNZ allows this goober crap. Those spoilers may not extend past the widest part of the bodywork, but they certainly extend further than the car in their own lateral plane. So any pedestrian or biker that's sideswiped by it is going to be sliced and diced.
But, as long as they're not speeding it must be OK. :wait:

[scumdog]

I was driving a 3 something BMW the other day,about all it had was ghastly bling bling wheels,not even lowered,because I made him ''unlower'' it for last WoF :rofl: It had a huge tacho the size of a wall clock....and like,it has a tacho anyway? It had a monster red shift light - set at 3500rpm!! :no: I know both this kids parents,and they are nice intelligent people,but this kid is just so fucking stupid he can hardly talk,a total cretin.

And what REALLY pisses me off.....his girlfriend is HOT!!!! :oi-grr:

Yup, ya can't beat TWO rev-counters!!
And a spoiler mounted so it creates lift.....
And a blow off valve that drains what ever boost you just made.....
And seats so low that you can't see the brake lights of the car on front so you run up its arse....
And a coffee-can diameter muffler hooked up to a stock 2" or less exhaust system....
And a mates mags/tyres on your car (Bling to the max) but the directional tyres are facing the wrong way.....

:woohoo: Performance all the way eh???

[Wolf]

that musta smelled WONDERFULL!..
Damn! I can't rep you for this until I've repped anopther couple of hundred people!

[SpeedyGirl]

My 15 year old neice thinks that these cars are 'hot', shows what she knows, bring on a bike anyday!!!

[Krayy]

...
2) i couldnt stop laughing long enough to get it into first gear...
The mod that gets me is those rotaing hubcaps ("spinners"?). I just can't help having a giggle in the boi racers window each time I see those dumb-ass things. And apparently they cost up to $1500 per set!! WTF?? Hope the inventor of those things made his cash then dissasociated himself from them ASAP.

[Wolf]

soon as i DID realize, i gave it a twist and just as he was shifting into second, blasted by him and "Monica" like they accidentally went into reverse. i was waiting for the Nitrous Oxide decal that he had on his fender to work to at least give me a decent run
Ya nong! That's not what he has fitted to his car, that's what he and "Monica" have been inhaling.

And when you see his car, you're laughing so much that by-standers think you've been inhaling it, too....

[ManDownUnder]

I love the boys for all that bling - so much money... doing nothing (performance wise) except falling off the car

There has to be a big market there selling heaps of cool looking (and pricey therefore "good") stuff.

Decals, flashing neons for under the car. Motu - you're the guy to know what's legal, BJ - you're just plain mad, me (coz it's my idea) and Slipstream coz we need a semi naked woman to drape over cars - and that whole "chaps in front of 1000 people" is stuck in mind... do that with a couple of neons and I reckon you'd sell gazillions LOL!

ok - towbar covers?

Front Spoilers that look cool (curves and colours and shit on them),
Thingies to stick on the front of your mirrors to streamline them
Thingies to stick on the back of your mirros to further streamline them
Aluminium seats (cold as hell, but light!)

anything else?

[SARGE]

This is a placeholder I will type my rebuttal when I get home and have more time, too busy working during the day


rebuttal?.. ooo... cant wait :slap:

im sitting at home today, looking like the @#$% Elephant man.. some kinda reaction.. face , neck and left arm are swolen up pretty good..

I AM NOT AN ANIMAL.. I AM A HUMAN BEING!!!
(theres an 80's reference for ya Indy..)

[chris]

Spoilers are just that. they are designed to 'spoil' the airflow once it reaches the rear of the car, thus helping to prevent rear lift. They don't physically provide downforce. A wing acts differently, as it's purpose is to create downforce.
Whether the car is rear or front wheel drive does not matter, as the primary reason is to negate lift at the rear by providing an opposite force. If the wing is well designed it then overcomes the lift and starts providing positive downforce. The shape of the front of the car is also critical if you wish to stop lift at the front. A by product is increased grip.
A car such as a Lamborghini manages this without wings or spoilers due to the body shape being designed the way it is. The underneath of the car will also likely be as flat and unobstructed as possible.

Just because you have a large wing fitted does not mean unlimited grip. Race cars rely on mechanical grip when cornering as wings don't tend to work when a car is sideways or travelling slowly.

I think that is all correct.

[SARGE]

I was driving a 3 something BMW the other day,about all it had was ghastly bling bling wheels,not even lowered,because I made him ''unlower'' it for last WoF :rofl: It had a huge tacho the size of a wall clock....and like,it has a tacho anyway? It had a monster red shift light - set at 3500rpm!! :no: I know both this kids parents,and they are nice intelligent people,but this kid is just so fucking stupid he can hardly talk,a total cretin.

And what REALLY pisses me off.....his girlfriend is HOT!!!! :oi-grr:


prolly had a bling stereo too.. shitlods of 50 cent and snoop cds.

the second tach was for the Spinner hubcaps..

the red shiftlight was wank factor , making it look like he could spin up that fast and the hot g/f he has is a perfect shallow empty headed bimbo match for him. ( yea ,, h's an idiot, but he has a nice car so he's my dream date. :puke: )

those rich fucks with the basass cars in high school that everyone fawns over are usualy the losers you see at pack n save, gathering the shopping carts in thier 50's..

[Devil]

So he travels in excess of 160 k's all the time then?
Because that's when that shit starts to work. IF it's set up right.
. :wait:
Cripes people make some enormous assumptions here.
1) Size of wing
2) Shape of car
3) Weight of car
4) Natural suspension balance.

Im not defending the large gay wings, they make me groan each time I see them, but you can normally spot the ones that are there for their intended purpose. You dont have to be doing a million miles an hour for the effects to start, it completely depends on all of the above points.

If the effects only came in from 100km/h+ it seems that we label them useless, because of course they'd never travel faster than that, would they? Just like we'd never think of going faster than that on our bikes eh?

Do we start talking the same way about fairings on bikes? "Look at that tosser on the gixxer. What a gay fairing. He doesn't need that, it doesnt do shit till xxxkm/h".

Clarification.
Wings for show: :tugger:
Wings for go: :yeah:

[ManDownUnder]

...those rich fucks with the basass cars in high school that everyone fawns over are usualy the losers you see at McDonalds, wiping tables in thier 50's

Word of advice Sarge San - never confuse rich for credit. I'm willing to bet they have shallow pockets with credit cards in them... one day they gotta pay it off...

[Devil]

...as wings don't tend to work when a car is sideways or travelling slowly.

I think that is all correct.
The wings do work when cornering, and yes, they're still just as effective. The whole point is to keep the car balanced.

[SARGE]

Word of advice Sarge San - never confuse rich for credit. I'm willing to bet they have shallow pockets with credit cards in them... one day they gotta pay it off...


true MDU..or mummy and daddy foot the bill.. or the P they sell to primary school kids..

giving me a Visa is like giving a monkey a hand grenade :nono:

[Mr Skid]

*wants a wing on the XT600*

[scumdog]

Regarding the last post by Chris #28 I think); a spoiler at the front is to dirrect air from going under the car and becoming 'dirty air' when it 'snags' on all the sticky-out bits under the car, it can also cause a low pressure area under the car at speed which increases the down-force on the tyres.

A rear spoiler is to streamline the flow of air so that the various airstreams that have parted to go around the car will merge without creating a vacuum (that would 'hold' the car back so to speak).

A wing has to have sufficient area and angle of attack to be effective - the downside being the increased drag at higher speeds.
Most wings on boy-racer type cars would at best put about 30-40kg downforce at 200kph.

Harumph,
(puts bifocals back in spectacle case, straightens all 4 pens in pocket protector, hangs up white coat and walks off).

[ManDownUnder]

All this chat reminds me of the (ahem *cogh* only) day I had out at Pukekohe open day.

They boys in their cars getting out and going for it - got up to some reasonable speeds too, but there was the small issue of all the money being spent on making it go FASTER.

None (or not enough) of it had been spent to make them STOP faster... One skyline was doing a good rate of knots down the backstraight - and to be fair sounded nice too...

It disappeared in a cloud of dirt off the end of the backstraight. Brake fade!

OH DEAR :rofl:

The guy was ok - so I was happy...

[SARGE]

*wants a wing on the XT600*


wonder if i can mount one on my helmet...hmmmm :hitcher:

[Devil]

Most wings on boy-racer type cars would at best put about 30-40kg downforce at 200kph.

There was a bluebird sedan (completely stock!) in my street that had a very purposeful looking wing. i.e a no bullshit, carbon fibre twin slat type wing. But it must have been at LEAST 45 degrees from the boot of the car. Apart from looking extremely gay on a nanna car, i'd love to know what they do to the fuel mileage. It had the sort of angle where you'd just get drag and no downforce!

[Pixie]

i need to have a rant about these geniuses who feel the need to tack a spoiler the size of a Cessna wing on the back of their car. What the hell is wrong with these guys?

.
They suffer from misdirected masturbatory urges.And their shit boxes don't go fast enough to get aerodynamic effects,due to not having any suspension

[Pixie]

I hate the stupid spoiler thing too, BUT...
They're there for a reason, no matter what the drivetrain of the particular vehicle is. Its not just for getting power to the ground, its keep the car stable and stuck to the road while cornering. Take my mates race car for instance. Front wheel drive, needs a rather large wing on the back because theres no weight back there. It helps keep the back wheels on the ground while braking at speed (in the straights and corners) and stops the back of the car from overtaking the front when he's stomping round corners. Its all to do with holding the car down.

The vertical wings and tips (the ones that are there for a reason other than show) are for increasing stability at speed, straightening out turbulence as the air passes over/under the wing.

Im all for performance, but some of the wings you see around the place are just shit..
With all due respect ,Bullshit,How many Ferraris,Astons,Maseratis etc.that can approach 300kph are designed to look like a pram or lawnmower?

[Lou Girardin]

Consider the ground effects in F1, they produce so much drag that just backing off the throttle produces around 1 g deceleration.
Get 'em sideways and they lose all downforce. Whoops!
Get behind another car and you lose so much downforce you can't pass.
Most grip problems on your average race sedan is due to poor mechanical grip caused by the compromised suspension systems they have. Aero packages attempt compensate for these problems.

[Pixie]

Dumbest looking ones are those on small convertible sportscars, like the S2000 at the end of our street .
My MX5 had the factory spoiler on the back when I got it,That was the first thing to go.It didn't even have an airfoil section,so probably afforded no down force anyway.Then I raised the excessively lowered suspension and now it does go round corners.
These arseholes wouldn't have a clue.

[scumdog]

. Take my mates race car for instance. Front wheel drive, needs a rather large wing on the back because theres no weight back there. It helps keep the back wheels on the ground while braking at speed (in the straights and corners) and stops the back of the car from overtaking the front when he's stomping round corners. Its all to do with holding the car down.
.

Car must be a tad unaerodynamic if it needs enough spoiler to help him cornering/braking, the inverse lift it is needed to perform must cause a fair bit of drag at higher speeds.

Has he actually DONE any experiments to see how much down-force he is actually getting?? I have and it's easy to set-up a test rig on the car.

Be better if he could move existing weight further to the rear.

[Big Dave]

The spoiler is like those TAXI signs except it says "STOP ME"

Exactly what i said to Jnr about the big 'Rastafarian with a doobie in his gob' sticker on the back window of his car.

[scumdog]

Exactly what i said to Jnr about the big 'Rastafarian with a doobie in his gob' sticker on the back window of his car.

But they still wonder why they got stopped......

Like the guy with the plate "2 drunk".

[Wolf]

Like the guy with the plate "2 drunk".
Advertising Exec, was he? :devil2:

[Devil]

.
With all due respect ,Bullshit,How many Ferraris,Astons,Maseratis etc.that can approach 300kph are designed to look like a pram or lawnmower?
Depends on the shape of the car. Depends whats under the car. As someone mentioned before, you can do this without wings, but it involves changing the shape of the car, and having a smooth undertray.
Checkout the bottom of a F360 some time, especially under the back.

If you're retro fitting, you're not exactly going to start chopping pillars and ripping shit out from underneath.

Try research before calling bullshit.

[Devil]

Car must be a tad unaerodynamic if it needs enough spoiler to help him cornering/braking, the inverse lift it is needed to perform must cause a fair bit of drag at higher speeds.

Has he actually DONE any experiments to see how much down-force he is actually getting?? I have and it's easy to set-up a test rig on the car.

Be better if he could move existing weight further to the rear.
Seen a Mini de joux GT before?
His particular one is weighing in at about 600kg or so, fwd, with 1.6 honda hanging over the front. Slam on the brakes in that thing and the back end wants to leave the ground (combination of grip and weight distribution).

Not sure how much work has been done on the down force, Splitter on front, wing on rear, channeling underneath --> out the back.

I'll go hunt out a pic. Not sure if on this pc though.

[scumdog]

Yup, old bugger like me HAS seen a Mini de Joux!!!

Still need a high cornering speed for a rear wing to have any real effect.

[Devil]

Yup, old bugger like me HAS seen a Mini de Joux!!!

Still need a high cornering speed for a rear wing to have any real effect.
When it's an inch or so off the ground with big fat slicks, I can assure you it has serious cornering speed (Have been around pukekohe in the passenger seat). Full throttle in 5th around jennian and over the hill. Braking into the hairpin makes great use of the race harness!

I'll find a pic. The De Joux was the base, but its of course been modified, 1.6 Honda Vtec (currently taking it to about 10,000rpm), 200 and something HP. 600kg or so. No weight in the back heh.

[Lou Girardin]

Seen a Mini de joux GT before?
His particular one is weighing in at about 600kg or so, fwd, with 1.6 honda hanging over the front. Slam on the brakes in that thing and the back end wants to leave the ground (combination of grip and weight distribution).

Not sure how much work has been done on the down force, Splitter on front, wing on rear, channeling underneath --> out the back.

I'll go hunt out a pic. Not sure if on this pc though.

So he completely screws up the original cars design and expects aero aids to make it handle. :rofl:

[Motu]

Seen a Mini de joux GT before?
His particular one is weighing in at about 600kg or so, fwd, with 1.6 honda hanging over the front. Slam on the brakes in that thing and the back end wants to leave the ground (combination of grip and weight distribution).

Not sure how much work has been done on the down force, Splitter on front, wing on rear, channeling underneath --> out the back.

I'll go hunt out a pic. Not sure if on this pc though.

You can do this on a Suzuki SJ80 - but you don't new no fancy spoiler to fix it,a bag of cement tames it down a bit.

[Devil]

So he completely screws up the original cars design and expects aero aids to make it handle. :rofl:
Its a race car, not a concours entry. You're also assuming theres a huge weight difference between the original engine and the new one.

Gotta love the assumptions round here. Lou, with your extensive knowledge of the car in question and the original, please explain what has changed, how it affects the car, and how it performs compared to the original. Try it with facts.

Motu, that'd be a solution, but the weight is an acceleration killer.

[idb]

Do we start talking the same way about fairings on bikes? "Look at that tosser on the gixxer. What a gay fairing........
Sure, uh huh, oh yeah, mm-hmm.

[Indiana_Jones]

I don't like cars really lol, funny, I seem to like heaps of other machines.

The coolest thing for me would be to get a 67 Mustang (Olive green/Bristish racing green) and crank up the 'Bullitt' theme lol :woohoo:

-Indy

[SimJen]

Just because you have a large wing fitted does not mean unlimited grip. Race cars rely on mechanical grip when cornering as wings don't tend to work when a car is sideways or travelling slowly.

Since when do race cars go slowly??? as long as their is some forwards momentum then the wings will still apply downforce when sideways. Trouble is it will be less than before it let go......


With all due respect ,Bullshit,How many Ferraris,Astons,Maseratis etc.that can approach 300kph are designed to look like a pram or lawnmower?

Ever seen a Ferrari F40???? the car that started the big wing thing....?
What about a Lambo Countach???? although it has to be said the wing on a countach lost 10mph or so off the top speed, but people still bought it.
Maserati don't really build a decent car (wallowy and soft) other than the MC12 supercar that has wings and looks like a Le Mans racer.
Most of the modern supercars are flat bottomed with diffusers and have there shape expressly designed for high top speeds. A ferrari Enzo has a freaky shape for good reason.
Cars and big wings suck, on your average ricer they must add 50kg+
for good pics of crap cars see http://www.topgear.com/content/timetoburn/sections/carbage/pages/0403/

[SARGE]

what the fuck do those blue LED lights on the bonnet(ahem... HOOD!) do?..

[Wolf]

what the fuck do those blue LED lights on the bonnet(ahem... HOOD!) do?..
SARGE is going Native.

We'll have him a signed up member of BDOTGNZA real soon now...

[SARGE]

SARGE is going Native.

We'll have him a signed up member of BDOTGNZA real soon now...


might as well go native.. im already shaggin all your women..

[Storm]

Well done that man

[Beemer]

You expect guys who think it looks cool to wear pants at half mast and a cap on backwards to CARE about how sad their CAR looks?

[_Gina_]

Power to weight assclown.. look it up.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Sniper]

You expect guys who think it looks cool to wear pants at half mast and a cap on backwards to CARE about how sad their CAR looks?

Lol, 10 points hahaha

[Storm]

Sad but true

[ZorsT]

You expect guys who think it looks cool to wear pants at half mast

The pants at half mast is to respect their fellow snot suckers that have met trees at 1XXkm/h

[Devil]

what the fuck do those blue LED lights on the bonnet(ahem... HOOD!) do?..
Each one is worth at least 5hp. Honest! :rofl:

[scumdog]

Hey, so my work cars have at least ONE blue light on the roof, what does that count as??

[myvice]

I LOVE boy racer cars!
I'm sorry, but you need this and this also this and if we turn the page you need this, two of those, a set of them, and that, and then you can get a WoF...
Don’t forget to bring your low volume certificate in!
We don't get a lot of them back for a re-test... No loyalty some people!
But if we let them through, and on the off chance the cops stop them :rofl:
And pink sticker them :rofl: :rofl:
We get in the shit :no:
Same as if they have a serious accident! The cars get pulled apart and if it’s our sticker on the screen we get to hear about it!
I think wings are cool! And spinner wheels, fluffy dice, 38 extra gages on the dash, blue LED's on every thing, little golf players on the parcel tray, sheepskin steering wheel covers, foot print peddles, TV's, no suspension travel, 180db exhausts, musical horns, curb finders, and of course... Christmas tree lights around your rear window! Mmmm, style!

[SARGE]

Hey, so my work cars have at least ONE blue light on the roof, what does that count as??


those actually KILL the top speed of cars around you man..every time i see one of those.. i lose 30 HP

[scumdog]

[QUOTE=myvice]I LOVE boy racer cars!
I'm sorry, but you need this and this also this and if we turn the page you need this, two of those, a set of them, and that, and then you can get a WoF...
Don’t forget to bring your low volume certificate in!
We don't get a lot of them back for a re-test... No loyalty some people!
But if we let them through, and on the off chance the cops stop them :rofl:
And pink sticker them :rofl: :rofl:
We get in the shit :no:
Same as if they have a serious accident! The cars get pulled apart and if it’s our sticker on the screen we get to hear about it!
I think wings are cool! And spinner wheels, fluffy dice, 38 extra gages on the dash, blue LED's on every thing, little golf players on the parcel tray, sheepskin steering wheel covers, foot print peddles, TV's, no suspension travel, 180db exhausts, musical horns, curb finders, and of course... Christmas tree lights around your rear window! Mmmm, style![/QUOTE

This is 2005, in my day 1980, it was at least 5 guages, arse up about 300mm above the front end, 295's at the rear, 185's at the front.
Tinted top of the screen, BIG bonnet scoops, HORSEPOWER to the max, fluffy dice, Pos-A -Traction tyres, 15" tyres were 'Big" and a big 'rake' was mandatory.
Carless days, 50 cent per GALLON for 'super' petrol.
$33 for 185X13" Dunlop 'Aquajet' tyres (the best available).

[SARGE]

You expect guys who think it looks cool to wear pants at half mast and a cap on backwards to CARE about how sad their CAR looks?


i cant help but laugh at those idiots.. i'm not sure if you all know how that fad started... ( oh you are gona LOVE this ,..)

the half mast pants ( called " Sagging" ) started in the California prison system. it was originally a sign from the gay population of the prison, that they were available for sexual relations..

i really have to stifle a giggle when i ride down Queen street..

Wow MC Trevor White-boy.. that style really seems to fit you..

[scumdog]

those actually KILL the top speed of cars around you man..every time i see one of those.. i lose 30 HP

That's why I LOVE the mufti cars, 220kph and change cos they don't have the 'drag' of the light-bars.

[Devil]

Scumdog, do you chuckle at the fools who slow down around you when you're in a marked car? Or do you just wish they'd piss off and get out of your way?

I cant stand sheep. Coming into town this evening (6pm) there was a Police Ute (might have been doggie, but didnt pay enough attention) driving along in the left lane of the motorway (3 lanes) at about 80km/h...so what does the traffic do when they catch up to him and realise there's a cop there, they slow down to 80km/h and basically cause a rolling block! GRRRR! I hates it I does!

[scumdog]

Scumdog, do you chuckle at the fools who slow down around you when you're in a marked car? Or do you just wish they'd piss off and get out of your way?

I cant stand sheep. Coming into town this evening (6pm) there was a Police Ute (might have been doggie, but didnt pay enough attention) driving along in the left lane of the motorway (3 lanes) at about 80km/h...so what does the traffic do when they catch up to him and realise there's a cop there, they slow down to 80km/h and basically cause a rolling block! GRRRR! I hates it I does!

Yeah, the SLOWEST way to get around the country is in a marked car 'cos if you catch up with somebody they feel they are safe at 95KPH, whereas if you (me) pass them then they feel it is their 'duty' to complain that they were doing 100kph and as 'cop' passed them.


WDF, no slack eh?? Chin-chin.

[SARGE]

That's why I LOVE the mufti cars, 220kph and change cos they don't have the 'drag' of the light-bars.


i had a customer looking at a K5 gixxer-thou the other day and an officer was in the shop having a look around at some of the stuff we have..anyway.. this customer asks me ( within earshot of the officer mind you)

" whats the top speed of these things..?"

"100 kph sir".. (glancing nervously at the popo)

i head the cop stifle a giggle..then he said..

" top speed of one of those things is $1000 and 50 points"

[idb]

Scumdog, do you chuckle at the fools who slow down around you when you're in a marked car? Or do you just wish they'd piss off and get out of your way?

I cant stand sheep. Coming into town this evening (6pm) there was a Police Ute (might have been doggie, but didnt pay enough attention) driving along in the left lane of the motorway (3 lanes) at about 80km/h...so what does the traffic do when they catch up to him and realise there's a cop there, they slow down to 80km/h and basically cause a rolling block! GRRRR! I hates it I does!
It's the "Pucker Effect".
It's the effect you get when you suddenly realise that the car ahead is a cop and the sudden and violent jerk of the sphincter actually pulls on the quadriceps thus raising the foot from the accelerator.
It is almost impossible to straighten the leg until the contraction is over.

It is believed to be a hangover from the days of the caveman.
If a lazy caveman couldn't be bothered walking too far from his cave to defecate and the lady of the cave came out, the natural reaction was of course to immediately cease the bowel-voiding and duck down into the grass to avoid detection.
It's believed that that is how dogs came to be household pets, so that they could take the blame for the piles of shit left by the lazy cavemen.
Natural selection meant that those cavemen that did not possess this vital skill for self-preservation did not have many opportunities to pass their genetic material on to future generations.

Or something......

[Devil]

HHrm, I think "fucker" effect would be closer to it.
FUCKER!

[scumdog]

i had a customer looking at a K5 gixxer-thou the other day and an officer was in the shop having a look around at some of the stuff we have..anyway.. this customer asks me ( within earshot of the officer mind you)

" whats the top speed of these things..?"

"100 kph sir".. (glancing nervously at the popo)

i head the cop stifle a giggle..then he said..

" top speed of one of those things is $1000 and 50 points"

I love it, I love it!!

Down here it is "fuck, if I rolled it into a ditch and got done for careless driving it wouls cost me $500, better than a $630 ticket".

Me: "Yeah good point, but hey, at least with the speeding ticket you would still be alive eh?"

[SARGE]

I love it, I love it!!

Down here it is "fuck, if I rolled it into a ditch and got done for careless driving it wouls cost me $500, better than a $630 ticket".

Me: "Yeah good point, but hey, at least with the speeding ticket you would still be alive eh?"


nice.. but if he was a b0i racer.. would you really have to give him a ticket?.. wouldnt you just thank him for removing that mobile dog turd from the mechanical gene-pool?

[scumdog]

nice.. but if he was a b0i racer.. would you really have to give him a ticket?.. wouldnt you just thank him for removing that mobile dog turd from the mechanical gene-pool?

O.K., but I got to be unbiased see?

Little drongo Jappa shit-boxes are one thing but I CAN live with Jap shit-boxes THAT have been done properly and have had a bit of effort and ingenuity applied to them.

Remember, once we were there, maybe NOT with Jap cars but yeah, with some kind of little 'pocket-rocket.'

[SARGE]

O.K., but I got to be unbiased see?

Little drongo Jappa shit-boxes are one thing but I CAN live with Jap shit-boxes THAT have been done properly and have had a bit of effort and ingenuity applied to them.

Remember, once we were there, maybe NOT with Jap cars but yeah, with some kind of little 'pocket-rocket.'


right there with ya on the good work.. i consider b0i racrs to be uninspired posers who wouldnt uderstand the mechanics of the vehicle, only that "yo bro.. dat neon iz da Shizzle!!"

ive had my share of cars.. my dad woulda kicked my ass if i posed with ANY of them

[Wolf]

might as well go native.. im already shaggin all your women..
Gee, that is sooooo unlike a US soldier... :devil2:

[SARGE]

Gee, that is sooooo unlike a US soldier... :devil2:


i plan on some pillaging later on today too..

#%^*& Viking bastigas

[FEINT]

I don't know if this was posted already, if it has sorry, i couldn't be bothered reading the 5 pages before this.

Having a Wing on a normal "boy racer" car decreases their performance as it adds DRAG to the car. They in no way have alot of horsepower that can be compromised for high speed stability.

Just my 2 cents...

[vifferman]

Having a Wing on a normal "boy racer" car decreases their performance
As does the droney big bore zorst, and the slushmatic transmission.
Oh - and the cut suspension decreases handling performance too. :yes:

[Waylander]

And the sad thing is my brother wants to get one.:oi-grr: