Whats the difference?

[sketch]

so im 29 years old just got my learners and my first bike, a ninja 250, its ok, nice n tidy, modern, which is nice......... but its a bit pussy..... and looking at the road code i cant see any difference between learners and restricted? am i really stuck on this thing for two whole years?

[bogan]

nope, have a look around at LAMs lists for alternatives.

[sketch]

its all old cruisers......... not really my thing, what modern sport bikes are on the lams list other than the new ninja 300 or cbr500r once its drops

[94ZZR1100]

its all old cruisers......... not really my thing, what modern sport bikes are on the lams list other than the new ninja 300 or cbr500r once its drops

Try a ZZR400 :cool:

[sketch]

sorry i got off topic in my question...... what the difference between learners and restricted?

[bogan]

its all old cruisers......... not really my thing, what modern sport bikes are on the lams list other than the new ninja 300 or cbr500r once its drops

Depends what you're looking for in a bike, there's plenty on there now, but you won't find much that is OP for a newb.

[sketch]

modern sports bike, bit gruntier than the ninja bot not quite as mental as my mates cbr600rr, that thing scares the shit outa me just tryna keep up with it

[Oakie]

sorry i got off topic in my question...... what the difference between learners and restricted?

Nothing in bike size but you can do more on a restricted (like carry a pillion)

[Katman]

modern sports bike, bit gruntier than the ninja bot not quite as mental as my mates cbr600rr, that thing scares the shit outa me just tryna keep up with it

Here's an idea....

Stop trying to keep up.

[sketch]

when i say trying to keep up i more mean watching him disappear into the distance, actively trying quickly turns to being way to hot in corners getting bad cases of target fixation

[JimO]

when i say trying to keep up i more mean watching him disappear into the distance, actively trying quickly turns to being way to hot in corners getting bad cases of target fixation
can i have your kidneys

[sketch]

not today, and mine are the last kidneys you want

[Box of riddles]

Get a motard.

[FJRider]

its all old cruisers......... not really my thing, what modern sport bikes are on the lams list other than the new ninja 300 or cbr500r once its drops

Ahhh ... the wisdom of youth.

Look in here ...

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/docs/lams-list.pdf

[FJRider]

modern sports bike, bit gruntier than the ninja bot not quite as mental as my mates cbr600rr, that thing scares the shit outa me just tryna keep up with it

Let the ink dry on your L license before you start looking for a bigger bike.

[sketch]

Let the ink dry on your L license before you start looking for a bigger bike.



hahahaha id hardly call myself youth, but i guess your right the ninja will do me for now,

and im very familiar with the list i studied it 10 fold more than the road code prior to getting my learners and the ninja, was [ ] this close to a ninja 300 but cudnt justify $9500 on my first bike that im more than likely gunna drop one way or another

[FJRider]

hahahaha id hardly call myself youth, but i guess your right the ninja will do me for now,

and im very familiar with the list i studied it 10 fold more than the road code prior to getting my learners and the ninja, was [ ] this close to a ninja 300 but cudnt justify $9500 on my first bike that im more than likely gunna drop one way or another

The older bikes teach a lot about what it's like on bigger bikes. For example ... what heavy bikes at low speed feel like ... (without the handicap of horsepower)

[Berries]

but cudnt justify $9500 on my first bike that im more than likely gunna drop one way or another
I could do with a couple of corneas and a liver.

[bosslady]

gotta crawl before you can walk yo

[conadz]

Nothing in bike size but you can do more on a restricted (like carry a pillion)

Nope. Absolutely no difference between the two, other than displaying a L plate.
NZTA (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/motorcycles/motorcycle-licence.html)

[FJRider]

Nope. Absolutely no difference between the two, other than displaying a L plate.
NZTA (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/motorcycles/motorcycle-licence.html)

WRONG ... didn't you read THIS bit .. ???


While on a learner licence:

You must only ride an approved motorcycle.
Your motorcycle must display a learner (L) plate - rear only.
You must not carry a passenger.
You must not ride between 10pm and 5am.
You must not tow another vehicle.
You face severe penalties if you ride outside the licence conditions.

[McFatty1000]

WRONG ... didn't you read THIS bit .. ???

While on a restricted licence:

You must only ride an approved motorcycle*.
You must not ride between 10pm and 5am.
You must not carry passengers.
You must not tow another vehicle.

Only difference seems to be the L plate? And, the severe penalties bit... :rolleyes:

Wish they'd at least change the curfew or something if one holds a full license

[FJRider]

I could do with a couple of corneas and a liver.

Is his liver worth having .. ???

[GrayWolf]

when i say trying to keep up i more mean watching him disappear into the distance, actively trying quickly turns to being way to hot in corners getting bad cases of target fixation

here's another Idea,
learn to ride first, a 250 Ninja/GPX/ZZR are quite 'adequate' they can 'just' do the old imperial 'Ton'.. your a learner, all you will do buying a sprotbike from reading your posts, is 'Cream yourself' over the road somewhere... Your 250 will out accelerate 80% of cars on the road to 100kph.. stop thinking with your ego, and think with the top 2 inches!!!

[sketch]

Is his liver worth having .. ???

on a good day maybe......

[The Reibz]

Do your time, get your full, THEN get a bigger bike.
I rode on my 250 for 5 years before I decided to upgrade... To a litre bike then a hayabusa 6 months later...

And yes im a Donor

[f2dz]

No difference except the L plate. You can't carry passengers.

I've got a Ninja too and yea it is gutless. But it's still a motorcycle, so just enjoy the ride and stay shiny side up. I don't know you, but judging by your wanting to keep up with your mate (whether that was a throw away comment or not, there will still be some truth to it) you would probably come off a bigger bike pretty quickly if you had one.

Enjoy your time on your 250, learn it inside and out, so that when the time comes on your full to upgrade you will be 100% confident that you can handle it.

As for the LAMS list, the Ninja 250 is easily in the top 5 from that list in terms of power, looks, reliability and maneuverability, in my opinion.

[Damantis]

The law is really just more of a guideline.

[blackdog]

The law is really just more of a guideline.

Like stop signs.

[Katman]

Just ride what you want.
The law is really just more of a guideline.

What happens, in the event of an accident, when his insurance claim is denied due to riding outside his license conditions?

[conadz]

WRONG ... didn't you read THIS bit .. ???

Yea, that's why I provided a link to the page... :facepalm:

[ducatilover]

Learn to ride it better. You've already made a significant investment buying an over rated bike, so you may as well get your moneys worth eh?
Good to read you're not trying to keep up.
If your bike still has the factory fitted IRC tyres, throw them away, get something better like BT45, Sport Demons or Pilot Sporty (if you can find them, not to be confused with Pilot Sport)

You can have fun on underpowered bikes and straight lines are gay.

[ajturbo]

Learn to ride, get lessons..!! there are some great teachers out there.. don't be a dick like a friend of my son's..
tried to keep up with him.. only to finish up in a ditch.. stupid thing was that my son didn't even know he was trying to keep up, my son was only cruising..!!!

if you want to hoon.. go and have fun at a track day..!!!
or buy a bucket racer ..!!!

[Banditbandit]

Aw come on guys ... it's like when you just discovered sex ... didn't you want to go out and fuck the equivelent of Uma Thurman ???

(Then we all learnt that we can't ... )

[R-Soul]

Learn to ride, get lessons..!! there are some great teachers out there.. don't be a dick like a friend of my son's..
tried to keep up with him.. only to finish up in a ditch.. stupid thing was that my son didn't even know he was trying to keep up, my son was only cruising..!!!

if you want to hoon.. go and have fun at a track day..!!!
or buy a bucket racer ..!!!

+1

sell your 250, buy a 150 and go bucket racing. You will learn more in one weekend there than three years on the road. and pay less fuel...

[Damantis]

What happens, in the event of an accident, when his insurance claim is denied due to riding outside his license conditions?

It would be smarter for him to spend that money on life insurance / income protection insurance for when he comes off.

Think of the children.

[Katman]

Think of the children.

Think of the Audi he might hit.

[kinger]

If it's that new Audi/Ducati concept abhorration, then that's a win win in both Darwinian and aesthetic principles.

[leathel]

One of the people I ride with has a ninja 250, He used to have a z6 but at the end of a long ride he is no where near as fatigued as he used to be, But I think he just needs to learn how to ride still even though he has been on the road for many many years he still doesn't counter steer, when you follow him he just doesn't seam to flow that well...

So I second the get some time with a good instructor, put some good tyres on and learn to ride well and it will set you up for a grunty heavy bike, the Ninja will be more forgiving while you find the ways :)

[ducatilover]

One of the people I ride with has a ninja 250, He used to have a z6 but at the end of a long ride he is no where near as fatigued as he used to be, But I think he just needs to learn how to ride still even though he has been on the road for many many years he still doesn't counter steer, when you follow him he just doesn't seam to flow that well...

So I second the get some time with a good instructor, put some good tyres on and learn to ride well and it will set you up for a grunty heavy bike, the Ninja will be more forgiving while you find the ways :)

I bet you $50 he does countersteer.

[leathel]

I bet you $50 he does countersteer.

I asked him and he thinks not...... He might a little while think he doesn't but his corner lines are never great to follow...

[ducatilover]

I asked him and he thinks not...... He might a little while think he doesn't but his corner lines are never great to follow...

He'd think he isn't. But I want my $50 :D

[Damantis]

Think of the Audi he might hit.

Only if it's an old Audi. The new ones all have 5 star safety ratrings so the occupants will probably live.

[Box of riddles]

Only if it's an old Audi. The new ones all have 5 star safety ratrings so the occupants will probably live.

Are you retarded?

I believe Katman was referring to the cash that you'd have to pay the Audi drivers insurance company, as without insurance they'll rape your wallet.

[Damantis]

Are you retarded?

I believe Katman was referring to the cash that you'd have to pay the Audi drivers insurance company, as without insurance they'll rape your wallet.

Dead men don't pay bills.

[leathel]

He'd think he isn't. But I want my $50 :D

I recon going buy the lines he takes my money is safe and I await your money in my account :P

I knew nothing of counter steer until I got the cruiser..... The old dirt bikes I rode on the road with where tall enough to just lean a little and around you went....not so with the cruiser :rolleyes:

Got it sorted now :)

[ducatilover]

You can ride on a Ninja 250 and put all your weight on one peg and it will not turn, it will slowly wander across the road. Same goes with just leaning without holding the bars

Bikes turn with counter steering, be it conscious, sub conscious or accidental :2thumbsup they don't turn otherwise

[leathel]

You can ride on a Ninja 250 and put all your weight on one peg and it will not turn, it will slowly wander across the road. Same goes with just leaning without holding the bars

Bikes turn with counter steering, be it conscious, sub conscious or accidental :2thumbsup they don't turn otherwise


HE did ask if I wanted a ride..... but I turned him down, Simply to cramped for me.....

The tricked up Z6R was more tempting but as the rider wasn't the owner I turned that down too..... can't go getting on a bike with horsepower or I might be wanting more :lol:

I am happy to cruise on oblivious to revs and horse power and just rely on torque :P

[ducatilover]

The tricked up Z6R was more tempting but as the rider wasn't the owner I turned that down too..... can't go getting on a bike with horsepower or I might be wanting more :lol: That horsepower stuff is a little addictive isn't it?


I am happy to cruise on oblivious to revs and horse power and just rely on torque :P I love to cruise along too. Might even get a slightly cruiser-esque bike one of these days, my ZX6 is about as comfy as a colonoscopy. Mind you, my GN is a comfy wee fellow and should have enough power to thump along happily (and shake my teeth out) :2thumbsup