We're all in the wrong business!

[imdying]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/exhaust/auction-579505225.htm

$3.50 plug
$0.17 resistor


Get one now, only $75 :niceone:

[bogan]

Or two for 100 :yes: :rolleyes:

Isn't that like half the price of a wideband sensor?

[Maha]

At least it free delivery and pick ups are allowed.....can't be Plenter.com

[sidecar bob]

I would never disconnect an oxy sensor. There are far better ways of "fixing" said problem.
The oxy sensor creates a fluctuating voltage, not a resistance anyway. The man is an idiot.
Just unplugging it would have the same effect for $0

[imdying]

Or two for 100 :yes: :rolleyes:

Isn't that like half the price of a wideband sensor?Actually, it's more expensive than a wideband sensor!

/edit: http://oxygensensor.net/bosch_o2/17014.php

[imdying]

I would never disconnect an oxy sensor. There are far better ways of "fixing" said problem.
The oxy sensor creates a fluctuating voltage, not a resistance anyway. The man is an idiot.
Just unplugging it would have the same effect for $0The resistor is to keep the ECU happy. Tt puts a load on the sensor heater circuit; stops the ECU from going hey hey no sensor, FI light time.

[sidecar bob]

The resistor is to keep the ECU happy. Tt puts a load on the sensor heater circuit; stops the ECU from going hey hey no sensor, FI light time.

So the signal wire is just just blowing in the breeze. Quite retarded really.

[imdying]

So the signal wire is just just blowing in the breeze. Quite retarded really.No, it is still inside a sealed connector.

[sidecar bob]

No, it is still inside a sealed connector.

Yes, but it would be more use up a gay mans bum than in the connector not hooked up to a sensor.

[imdying]

Yes, but it would be more use up a gay mans bum than in the connector not hooked up to a sensor.I guess I'm not as qualified as you to make the comparison, but I've no reason not to believe you! :laugh:

[pete-blen]

These DO work ===> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-XT660X-XT660R-XT660Z-XTX-XTR-XTZ-O2-Controller-/130882729808?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e7937f750&vxp=mtr#ht_3149wt_1170

I have 2 of kev's XT660 fueling mods on my bike.. both do what he clams they do...
O2 controller stoped the surging by 75%.... & his fueling mod gives the abillity to
adjust the air/fuel ratio at the twist of a nob...

[GrayWolf]

The BIG difference is the O2 sensor circuit in the ECU.. the Mt-01 has a similar design to the XT a 'CLOSED LOOP circuit... if you disconnect or try to 'fool' the ECU it defaults,, and screws up the fuelling of the bike,,,,, The Power CommanderO2 optimiser is well documented in the MT owners forum,, you have to program it, so it in effect converts the signal from the sensor and turns it into false information that it sends to the O2 circuit in the ECU... (in effect tells it the bike is running 'lean' and to richen the fuel mixture)'... Seems that Kevin has developed a similar unit!
The problem with the XT/MT ECU is they are a 'smart circuit' and adapt..... so a resistor or disconnection will within a couple of minutes produce an error code! They monitor the O2, air temp (O2 density) throttle setting, and EFI settings which is used to set the AF ratio... so trying to 'fool it' with a resisitor it soon works out that the O2 sensor isnt working correctly. If you richen the mixture by fooling the temp sensor on an MT, the O2 circuit will soon adapt and lean out the mixture from it's O2 sensor (below 2000rpm).. which is speeds up to 80kph in top gear.

Many other bikes have 'OPEN LOOP' circuits and can be fooled with a resistor etc, as they dont 'monitor' all the aspects of the A/F sensors the way a closed loop does.

[ducatilover]

Actually, it's more expensive than a wideband sensor!

/edit: http://oxygensensor.net/bosch_o2/17014.php

That's bloody cheap. I might just buy one because it's cheap :niceone:


I'm not a fan of running no O2 sensor, but in some cases it can be beneficial, it won't work in every situation.
Why everything doesn't run a wideband is beyond me (cost I suppose, so not beyond me) and why many new Japanese cars still run unheated units is stupid.

[The Reibz]

I hope he also sells muffler bearing oil, headlight fluid and powerband color upgrade kits.

But if anyone is dumb enough to buy one then good on him. Its all about making a buck these days, fuck being honest...

[SMOKEU]

But if anyone is dumb enough to buy one then good on him. Its all about making a buck these days, fuck being honest...

That's half the reason why the internet exists, to run online scams.

[Dave-]

That's half the reason why the internet exists, to run online scams.

That's not a scam though?

[SMOKEU]

That's not a scam though?

With the prices some people seem to get away with, it's not far off.

[breakaway]

That is the very definition of business. Buy low, sell high.

Amazing the amount of people that start to get butthurt once they learn the margin amounts.

Whether or not it is ethical to is irrelevant. A business exists to make money, not to provide a charity.

[sidecar bob]

That is the very definition of business. Buy low, sell high.

Amazing the amount of people that start to get butthurt once they learn the margin amounts.

Whether or not it is ethical to is irrelevant. A business exists to make money, not to provide a charity.

But if a busniness does not operate ethically & fairly it will eventually self destruct.
Reasonable margins over a long period work far better than large margins over the short term.
Ripping people off will usually only make someone nigger rich.

[breakaway]

Right, my bad, I forgot -- KB is home to NZ's foremost business experts also

[Edbear]

Right, my bad, I forgot -- KB is home to NZ's foremost business experts also

As a cross-section of society, KB is home to experts in everything. :niceone:

Tricky bit is working out the one's who know what they are talking about. In this I tend to listen to those who are actually doing the business, rather than those keyboard warriors who wouldn't have a clue. Like the analogy of becoming a millionnaire, everyone knows how, but would you listen to a street-beggar or a Millionnaire as to the best way to go about it?

[sidecar bob]

Right, my bad, I forgot -- KB is home to NZ's foremost business experts also

Yeah, Ive had a great run with my very succesful business over the past 19 odd years by applying a few ethics, what about you? Im picking you read a good book about it once.

[neels]

Meh, if you can make it yourself for less, make it yourself.

If you want someone else to do it for you, expect to pay for their time ordering parts, their time to assemble it, their time to process your order, the cost of having stuff sitting there waiting for someone to buy it instead of money sitting in their bank account. If you don't like paying for all of that, don't buy the thing.

[Dave-]

Yeah, Ive had a great run with my very succesful business over the past 19 odd years by applying a few ethics, what about you? Im picking you read a good book about it once.

My Engineering Management lecturer told me there was some research into whether ethical businesses are any better off.

I don't remember what she said about it cause I was playing angry birds or super hexigon, but I thought you should know there is research that may or may not support your claim!

Personally I think ethical business is entirely an opinion and one I'm sure most who are involved in it are aware of, and if that's how they wish to conduct their business then so be it. It doesn't take a genius to realise you can undercut him by charging $50 for the same part and still sit on your ethical high horse, but then you have to ask yourself, is that ethical?

Uni holidays, you can tell huh?

[bogan]

My Engineering Management lecturer told me there was some research into whether ethical businesses are any better off.

I don't remember what she said about it cause I was playing angry birds or super hexigon, but I thought you should know there is research that may or may not support your claim!

Personally I think ethical business is entirely an opinion and one I'm sure most who are involved in it are aware of, and if that's how they wish to conduct their business then so be it. It doesn't take a genius to realise you can undercut him by charging $50 for the same part and still sit on your ethical high horse, but then you have to ask yourself, is that ethical?

Uni holidays, you can tell huh?

Which brings up another point, if doing business ethically is primarily a strategy to make profit, is it still ethical?

[sidecar bob]

My Engineering Management lecturer told me there was some research into whether ethical businesses are any better off.

I don't remember what she said about it cause I was playing angry birds or super hexigon, but I thought you should know there is research that may or may not support your claim!

Personally I think ethical business is entirely an opinion and one I'm sure most who are involved in it are aware of, and if that's how they wish to conduct their business then so be it. It doesn't take a genius to realise you can undercut him by charging $50 for the same part and still sit on your ethical high horse, but then you have to ask yourself, is that ethical?

Uni holidays, you can tell huh?

In my industry, operating ethically results in having a huge loyal & intelligent client base, (there is absolutely no money in the shit kicker, loser dollar) the choice to not involve oneself in work or persons one would rather not deal with, plus a reliable income, & all without advertising.
Just remember, your Engineering Management Lecturer is just that, a wage earner.
Hopefully he has had twenty years prior expierence running his own business, otherwise in all reality, he is just passing on what he has read somwhere.

[Daffyd]

Reasonable margins AND HIGHER TURNOVER over a long period work far better than large margins over the short term.


The original Woolworths principle.

[Dave-]

Which brings up another point, if doing business ethically is primarily a strategy to make profit, is it still ethical?

I'd say it isn't ethical, I'd say the purest form of ethical business is one where no one is taken advantage of, so by acting ethically you're taking advantage of peoples desire to deal with an ethical brand.

I'd say a brand should be ethical for the sake of being ethical as a personal opinion of the higher management.


In my industry, operating ethically results in having a huge loyal & intelligent client base, (there is absolutely no money in the shit kicker, loser dollar) the choice to not involve oneself in work or persons one would rather not deal with, plus a reliable income, & all without advertising.
Just remember, your Engineering Management Lecturer is just that, a wage earner.
Hopefully he has had twenty years prior expierence running his own business, otherwise in all reality, he is just passing on what he has read somwhere.

she*

So you are ethical in your industry for the sake of profit? honest question, I'd like to hear from someone more experienced than myself....as I'll probably have to do an essay on this....

[sidecar bob]

I'd say it isn't ethical, I'd say the purest form of ethical business is one where no one is taken advantage of, so by acting ethically you're taking advantage of peoples desire to deal with an ethical brand.

I'd say a brand should be ethical for the sake of being ethical as a personal opinion of the higher management.



she*

So you are ethical in your industry for the sake of profit? honest question, I'd like to hear from someone more experienced than myself....as I'll probably have to do an essay on this....

I have a very long term outlook on my business.
Basically, I have targeted & treated very well, the wealthy & intellegent sector of society, believing (correctly) that they mix with similar folk, & refer my services to them at no cost to myself.
As a result, I have built up a client base of wealthy people that trust me & are quite able to afford the services I offer at the rate I charge, So, yes, I am ethical in order to attract a wealthy & intelligent client base.
In my experience, dumb people, are usually also financially challenged, and are either less aware when they are being treated unethically (or ethicaly for that matter), or assume they are always being ripped off by "rich cunts". But while they lack the brains to realise what the go is, they also lack decent friends/neighbours to refer to a business because of basic socio economics, & also lack the ability to pay for reasonable services.
Frankly, the last thing any business needs is a client base of dole bludging fuckheads.

[jellywrestler]

[QUOTE=sidecar bob;1130529981 someone nigger rich.[/QUOTE] nigger is also an anagram for ginger

[Woodman]

Frankly, the last thing any business needs is a client base of dole bludging fuckheads.

Totally agree, let the opposition down the road have them.

[sidecar bob]

Totally agree, let the opposition down the road have them.

I laughingly refer to it as "Steves first rule of chocolate" I may ask you to give me a piece of chocolate & you may very well want to give me a piece of chocolate, but no matter how much either of us want to give & recieve chocolate, as long as you have no chocolate, you can give me none & I can recieve none.
Now change the word chocolate to money.
If you wish to recieve chocolate, first you must ask someone that you already know to posess chocolate.

[GrayWolf]

I laughingly refer to it as "Steves first rule of chocolate" I may ask you to give me a piece of chocolate & you may very well want to give me a piece of chocolate, but no matter how much either of us want to give & recieve chocolate, as long as you have no chocolate, you can give me none & I can recieve none.
Now change the word chocolate to money.
If you wish to recieve chocolate, first you must ask someone that you already know to posess chocolate.

That's quite true.
But here's another thought... Look after the Pennies, and the pounds look after themselves....
to use your 'chocolate' analogy?
Yes you have to have 'chocolate, to give some to another...
but you can focus on only the 'rich, well made, centre filled exotic chocolates... which you may only recieve 1 or 2 a day, or cater for the 'cadbury's button's.. which are more plentiful, even if not as 'rich'.......

[BMWST?]

That's quite true.
But here's another thought... Look after the Pennies, and the pounds look after themselves....
to use your 'chocolate' analogy?
Yes you have to have 'chocolate, to give some to another...
but you can focus on only the 'rich, well made, centre filled exotic chocolates... which you may only recieve 1 or 2 a day, or cater for the 'cadbury's button's.. which are more plentiful, even if not as 'rich'.......

not a good analogy.We all have chocolate buttons,but at the end of the week some people have chocolate buttons left over after the chcolate buttons that need to be swapped have been swapped.You need to find those who have chocolate buttons left over every week

[GrayWolf]

not a good analogy.We all have chocolate buttons,but at the end of the week some people have chocolate buttons left over after the chcolate buttons that need to be swapped have been swapped.You need to find those who have chocolate buttons left over every week

may not have been a 'good analogy' but you still got my meaning... there are more chocolate buttons around, than rich creamy filling ones... :)