Good cop, finally figures it out then retires

[Asher]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8549984/Patience-wears-thin-in-police-force

Looks like a cop has finally realized that taxing us for braking the big bad speed limit and not doing much else is a great way to alienate the force who would have thought!? Too bad he's leaving so he can't help change the system.

-can't work the html link on my phone sorry

[willytheekid]

"Law enforcement was being run like a business"
and
"traffic taking precedence over everything."
:shit:
NO SHIT!!!!

I think THIS video kind of sums it up*
....and explains WHY they lowered the IQ standards on the intake testing(No shit!), and WHY they are taking good police MEN off the front line,(scummy) and are forcing them to retake harder! physical testing than the new OFFICERS...the last of the police men are being forced out...can't have good people in these roles:no:...knuckle dragging corporate revenue collectors need only apply please:yes:

ITS THE TIME OF THE POLICE "OFFICER"!...so pay up, and shut up!

*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKVsCIJCOfw (Why u disable video embedding op??:facepalm:)


...Im still holding out hope that the remainder of the police men will make a stand and say NO to this new power shift...but I not holding my breath:bye:

[Scuba_Steve]

Should be entertaining :corn:


I'll bide for now

[scumdog]

When I leave I might say the same stuff...





OR I might say "all you arseholes got everything you deserve" as I walk out the door.:whistle:

[scumdog]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8549984/Patience-wears-thin-in-police-force

Looks like a cop has finally realized that taxing us for braking the big bad speed limit and not doing much else is a great way to alienate the force who would have thought!? Too bad he's leaving so he can't help change the system.

-can't work the html link on my phone sorry

Sorry, I'll have to re-read the article, I seem to have missed that important bit about 'taxing for brEaking the big bad speed limit and not doing much else' bit...:confused::rolleyes:

[Asher]

Sorry, I'll have to re-read the article, I seem to have missed that important bit about 'taxing for brEaking the big bad speed limit and not doing much else' bit...:confused::rolleyes:

I may have paraphrased a bit, but in paragraph 4 he days traffic is taking precident over everything.

[oneofsix]

good old Fearfax media. First posting it shouted out about the traffic enforcement bit in the headline, then it was toned down, now it has disappeared off the home page. Uncensored media only means being able to show violence, be afraid to speak out or GCSB will get you. :lol:

:corn:

[Zedder]

"Law enforcement was being run like a business"
and
"traffic taking precedence over everything."
:shit:
NO SHIT!!!!

I think THIS video kind of sums it up*
....and explains WHY they lowered the IQ standards on the intake testing(No shit!), and WHY they are taking good police MEN off the front line,(scummy) and are forcing them to retake harder! physical testing than the new OFFICERS...the last of the police men are being forced out...can't have good people in these roles:no:...knuckle dragging corporate revenue collectors need only apply please:yes:

ITS THE TIME OF THE POLICE "OFFICER"!...so pay up, and shut up!

*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKVsCIJCOfw (Why u disable video embedding op??:facepalm:)


...Im still holding out hope that the remainder of the police men will make a stand and say NO to this new power shift...but I not holding my breath:bye:

Hopefully the $150 million of land, houses, vehicles and cash seized in the last few years from criminals may help the police finances...

[HenryDorsetCase]

you say Police Officer and I think "HOT FUZZ"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0425112/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1


What pissed me off last night was a "news" item that said in effect "Police intend to restrict the speed tolerance even more not just on holiday weekends".

My question is: "What the fuck?" The police are not a policy setting organisation: they are there as a policy implementation organisation. An arm of the judiciary, if you will.

Policy (theoretically) is set by the executive, and subject to sanction (i.e. being voted out) by the body politic. (yes, in theory).

GRRRRRRR

[imac]

you say Police Officer and I think "HOT FUZZ"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0425112/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1


What pissed me off last night was a "news" item that said in effect "Police intend to restrict the speed tolerance even more not just on holiday weekends".

My question is: "What the fuck?" The police are not a policy setting organisation: they are there as a policy implementation organisation. An arm of the judiciary, if you will.

Policy (theoretically) is set by the executive, and subject to sanction (i.e. being voted out) by the body politic. (yes, in theory).

GRRRRRRR

I don't think you'll find any government policy on tolerance, that is a discretion that the Police have. Although I doubt that dropping the tolerance is the sole cause of a reduction in road deaths during the period.

[oneofsix]

I don't think you'll find any government policy on tolerance, that is a discretion that the Police have. Although I doubt that dropping the tolerance is the sole cause of a reduction in road deaths during the period.

I doubt the tolerance has ANYTHING to do with the reduction in road deaths. an increase in accidents is the usual result of such moves.

The tolerance used to be stated on the NZTA web site but since they started playing with it for holidays and schools etc it appears to have disappeared. As the government abdicated day to day setting of speed limits to the NZTA and the previous listing of the different tolerance applicable in different speed zones I suspect it is an NZTA responsibility. The Police should NEVER have discretion in setting policy, it is not their role. Besides look what happened with the pistol grip rifle cock-up when they tried to set their own policy, when someone with the $ to take it to court they got :bash:. You have to have separation of roles and responsibilities.

[SMOKEU]

Hopefully the $150 million of land, houses, vehicles and cash seized in the last few years from criminals may help the police finances...

It will help them finance more officers to bust people with a small amount of buds or who are speeding. Fighting real crime is too much hard work and uses up far too many resources that could be better spent gathering revenue.

[Zedder]

I don't think you'll find any government policy on tolerance, that is a discretion that the Police have. Although I doubt that dropping the tolerance is the sole cause of a reduction in road deaths during the period.

Speed limit enforcement: http://www.police.govt.nz/service/road/speed-kills-kids.html

However, from what I see here, the NZTA has a process (under Speed Limit New Zealand 2003) for working out the speed limit and tolerances: http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/speed-limits/speed-limits-nz/speed-limits-nz.html

[HenryDorsetCase]

I don't think you'll find any government policy on tolerance, that is a discretion that the Police have. Although I doubt that dropping the tolerance is the sole cause of a reduction in road deaths during the period.

or as anyone with any clue about the scientific method would say "Correlation does not equal causation: because A follows B it does not logically follow that A caused B"

[HenryDorsetCase]

It will help them finance more officers to bust people with a small amount of buds or who are speeding. Fighting real crime is too much hard work and uses up far too many resources that could be better spent gathering revenue.

I am interested in your view of what "real crime" might be, Mr Dot com.

[Usarka]

I am interested in your view of what "real crime" might be, Mr Dot com.

Busting coons, probably.

[SMOKEU]

I am interested in your view of what "real crime" might be, Mr Dot com.

Unjustified violence, vandalism and dishonesty offences mainly.

[Zedder]

It will help them finance more officers to bust people with a small amount of buds or who are speeding. Fighting real crime is too much hard work and uses up far too many resources that could be better spent gathering revenue.

That $150 million worth actually included people convicted for murder and fraud. That means, the cops were investigating them for real crime prior to their arrest.

[ducatilover]

It will help them finance more officers to bust people with a small amount of buds or who are speeding. Fighting real crime is too much hard work and uses up far too many resources that could be better spent gathering revenue.

So instead of having sections of Police force for busting these two illegal things, they should stop busting these two illegal acts and focus on illegal acts they are already working on?

Are you suggesting there's no enforcement involved with other potentially more serious matters?

I don't get it.

[SMOKEU]

So instead of having sections of Police force for busting these two illegal things, they should stop busting these two illegal acts and focus on illegal acts they are already working on?

Are you suggesting there's no enforcement involved with other potentially more serious matters?

I don't get it.

I'm not suggesting that police are not taking serious crimes seriously, but too much time is wasted on petty "crimes", and not enough time on more serious matters. The police only have a certain amount of resources available to them, and those resources should be better managed.

[Brian d marge]

"Law enforcement was being run like a business"
and
"traffic taking precedence over everything."
:shit:
NO SHIT!!!!

I think THIS video kind of sums it up*
....and explains WHY they lowered the IQ standards on the intake testing(No shit!), and WHY they are taking good police MEN off the front line,(scummy) and are forcing them to retake harder! physical testing than the new OFFICERS...the last of the police men are being forced out...can't have good people in these roles:no:...knuckle dragging corporate revenue collectors need only apply please:yes:

ITS THE TIME OF THE POLICE "OFFICER"!...so pay up, and shut up!

*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKVsCIJCOfw (Why u disable video embedding op??:facepalm:)


...Im still holding out hope that the remainder of the police men will make a stand and say NO to this new power shift...but I not holding my breath:bye:

Japanese police dont do anything , and they are as dumb as fk , nice though!

no kinda mute point here

I mean we get april budget , they stand onthe corner and stop a few cyclists , and in December for the xmas party

But being serious for a moment;

WHAT ACTUALLY do we legally have to do when stopped by the police not giving your name was a new one on me ! ( applies to NZ??)

Stephen

[Zedder]

I'm not suggesting that police are not taking serious crimes seriously, but too much time is wasted on petty "crimes", and not enough time on more serious matters. The police only have a certain amount of resources available to them, and those resources should be better managed.

Lol, how do you know what time they spend on petty crimes versus serious matters?

[Bison]

sorry duplicate post

[Bison]

First of all he's a Detective....NOT a traffic member, so his view of traffic enforcement has to be viewed as lacking exposure, experience and knowledge. Many more people die in traffic crashes than are ever mordered. Get a murder and the entire detective CSI crew comes in and do the investigation. Do a traffic fatality and you're lucky to have more than 1 primary investigator with occasional help. I know, I've investigated 29 fatal crashes. In 1 year we had 12 motorcycle fatal crashes and about 3 murders.


As far as delusion setting in with senior members goes, that is true. Spend 20 plus years fighting against a system that seems to be only concerned with what is legal and not with "justice' and you finally say enough is enough. The entire legal system seems to be concerned more with the rights of the criminal and not those of the victim, judges seem to make decisions that are not reflective of our world and more on the one in which they live...and years of seeing bad guys walk because of a misplaced semi-colon, can grind you down. I retired after 28 years and I got to the point that I found myself wanting to say that I just didn't care, if nobody else seemed to care.

I still make a difference in my community in another way...I run my own driving/riding school and pass along the knowledge and techniques that my previous career taught me. Just a different way to achieve the same end. This is year 50 for me in the saddle and I have no plans to stop for the forseeable future. You should be so lucky.

[ducatilover]

Lol, how do you know what time they spend on petty crimes versus serious matters?

I second this question.

[HenryDorsetCase]

First of all he's a Detective....NOT a traffic member, so his view of traffic enforcement has to be viewed as lacking exposure, experience and knowledge. Many more people die in traffic crashes than are ever mordered. Get a murder and the entire detective CSI crew comes in and do the investigation. Do a traffic fatality and you're lucky to have more than 1 primary investigator with occasional help. I know, I've investigated 29 fatal crashes. In 1 year we had 12 motorcycle fatal crashes and about 3 murders.


As far as delusion setting in with senior members goes, that is true. Spend 20 plus years fighting against a system that seems to be only concerned with what is legal and not with "justice' and you finally say enough is enough. The entire legal system seems to be concerned more with the rights of the criminal and not those of the victim, judges seem to make decisions that are not reflective of our world and more on the one in which they live...and years of seeing bad guys walk because of a misplaced semi-colon, can grind you down. I retired after 28 years and I got to the point that I found myself wanting to say that I just didn't care, if nobody else seemed to care.

I still make a difference in my community in another way...I run my own driving/riding school and pass along the knowledge and techniques that my previous career taught me. Just a different way to achieve the same end. This is year 50 for me in the saddle and I have no plans to stop for the forseeable future. You should be so lucky.

thats an interesting perspective, thanks.

My view is that those of us with above-average skills and equipment should not have anything as mandatory as a blanket speed limit imposed on us. We should ride or drive as fast as we like, anywhere we like.

If in the opinion of the police that is too fast in the circumstances, then the only appropriate sanction is through a defended court hearing. And in fact there should only be three motoring offences: Careless driving, reckless driving, dangerous driving.

Oh, and only appropriately qualified citizens (say: over 30, stable employment, not mentally unhinged, property owners, male* should be allowed to vote. And should be allowed to exercise capital punishment if the circumstances dictate)





*that'll get them going....

[SMOKEU]

Lol, how do you know what time they spend on petty crimes versus serious matters?

Talk to anyone who has had a vehicle broken into or stolen, or a house burgled.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Talk to anyone who has had a vehicle broken into or stolen, or a house burgled.

we all kind of thought that might be you......

[ducatilover]

Talk to anyone who has had a vehicle broken into or stolen

A mate or a mate had a WRX stolen last week, was found and recovered in half a day.

[Akzle]

I am interested in your view of what "real crime" might be, Mr Dot com.

err, probably something like, a crime. like, where there's an injured party (a real one...), like... some harm against another human...

[Bassmatt]

A mate or a mate had a WRX stolen last week, was found and recovered in half a day.

Sister in law had a guy jump out of a bush with his cock in his hand etc etc 18mths ago. Cops still haven't turned up.

[ducatilover]

Sister in law had a guy jump out of a bush with his cock in his hand etc etc 18mths ago. Cops still haven't turned up.

Got pics?




:corn:

[Asher]

Sister in law had a guy jump out of a bush with his cock in his hand etc etc 18mths ago. Cops still haven't turned up.

Had a neighbor threatening his partner with a knife around a year ago. Cops still havent turned up.


Seriously, the only interaction i have with police is when they are hassling me in my car/bike or hassling me when im trying to have a drink in town.
I have never had a good experience dealing with the police when they were actually needed, not once.

[ducatilover]

One of the kids we look after did a runner a few nights back

Called police, had one down here and another out asking people questions etc in half an hour of calling, pretty impressive considering the Eketahuna police were away and they had to come down from Pahiatua



Everyone has good and bad stories with the police services, but it's no reason to hate them. We'd be fucked without them and I respect the majority as they haven't got a nice job, they spend all day dealing with idiots and self-righteous cop hating cunts.

[Asher]

I dont hate the police, i can understand the need for them. I simply dont respect them.

They cant have it both ways. They cant abuse us then expect us to help them out when they come calling.

[SMOKEU]

A mate or a mate had a WRX stolen last week, was found and recovered in half a day.

That was lucky. I bet the courts would have given a pathetic sentence to the cunt(s) who nicked it, if they got busted. Then they'll be out doing the same thing again.

[Zedder]

Talk to anyone who has had a vehicle broken into or stolen, or a house burgled.

So, these people you write about (I note it's not you now) know the ratio of petty crime incidents to serious crime incidents in any given region plus police staffing levels and other resource allocations?

[Zedder]

I dont hate the police, i can understand the need for them. I simply dont respect them.

They cant have it both ways. They cant abuse us then expect us to help them out when they come calling.

If there was abuse involved what was the outcome of the Police Complaints Authority investigation?

[Bassmatt]

Got pics?




:corn:

No. Looks like your safe then.

[sidecar bob]

I have a chum that quit the Police a while back after several decades in the job.
He recently commented to me that he had spent the best part of thirty years looking for the worst in people & was expected to be pleased when he found it. He pretty much said, "what the fuck was that all about?"

[ducatilover]

That was lucky. I bet the courts would have given a pathetic sentence to the cunt(s) who nicked it, if they got busted. Then they'll be out doing the same thing again.
Probably, seems first offence is very wet bus ticket treated here. But I do not know what has happened to the offenders.
Another mate has had a car stolen earlier this year and the fella is going in for sentecing soon, he has a massive history so it will be interesting

I dont hate the police, i can understand the need for them. I simply dont respect them.

They cant have it both ways. They cant abuse us then expect us to help them out when they come calling.

Better chuck 'em all in the same box eh?


No. Looks like your safe then.

:sweatdrop Thank goodness.

She laughed at it.

[sidecar bob]

Sister in law had a guy jump out of a bush with his cock in his hand etc etc 18mths ago. Cops still haven't turned up.

You never hear of a bloke calling the cops to complain that some chick jumped out of a bush with her box out. One of lifes great mysteries.

[pritch]

Over Christmas one of the TV channels was repeating a highway cops show. I was amazed at the utter stupidity of most of the cretins the cops had to deal with.

There were people who seemed unsure of what country they lived in, quoting crap they'd seen on American TV shows.
Happens on KB too, I see the spirit of CSI has been invoked. Last time I looked the local cops didn't have anything called CSI, but is has been a while... :whistle:

[Brian d marge]

Over Christmas one of the TV channels was repeating a highway cops show. I was amazed at the utter stupidity of most of the cretins the cops had to deal with.


hell yes , theres some planks out there

wonder if anyone has some youtube examples of some legendary planks

Stephen

[Asher]

If there was abuse involved what was the outcome of the Police Complaints Authority investigation?
I'm not talking about physical abuse, I meant the way they abuse their powers and responsiblities to the community

[Zedder]

I'm not talking about physical abuse, I meant the way they abuse their powers and responsiblities to the community

Any form of abuse by the cops is covered by the complaints process.

[oneofsix]

Any form of abuse by the cops is covered up by the complaints process.

Fixed that for you

[Zedder]

Fixed that for you

How do you explain the 67 cops investigated and then arrested for various offences then?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Fixed that for you

I dont think you have any experience with the PCA or the complaints process. I have had some limited involvement with it. Lets just say that the po po do take that shit seriously, stuff does get investigated, and results happen.

[superjackal]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8549984/Patience-wears-thin-in-police-force

Looks like a cop has finally realized that taxing us for braking the big bad speed limit and not doing much else is a great way to alienate the force who would have thought!? Too bad he's leaving so he can't help change the system.

-can't work the html link on my phone sorry

Here's the rub. If a cop goes out, fails to ticket anyone cause no one breaks the speed limit does that mean the law's working? I love to be that cop, "Afternoon 'sarge, no tickets today. Law seems to be working great. Can I go solve some real crimes now?"

[Scuba_Steve]

I dont think you have any experience with the PCA or the complaints process. I have had some limited involvement with it. Lets just say that the po po do take that shit seriously, stuff does get investigated, and results happen.

Maybee on serious breaches but on minor ones my experience is they like to look the other way.

[ratsalad]

challenge to everyone out there .dont speed keep legal and see what happens, bet the speed limit will be lowered and fines be increased in no time at all .

[oneofsix]

challenge to everyone out there .dont speed keep legal and see what happens, bet the speed limit will be lowered and fines be increased in no time at all .

that sounds like a loose loose challenge.

bet the accidents don't go down either :sleep:

[rastuscat]

I wonder how long it would take for the NZTA to withdraw the funding if every FTE (Full Time Equivalent employee) they paid for was used to chase up historic burglaries?

See, here's how it works. The body responsible for road safety in NZ is the NZTA. They work with the Ministry of Transport to hatch planes to reduce the road crashes.

They do education, engineering and enforcement, contracting other bodies and agencies to actually deliver the stuff they can't do. For example, they employ a company to manufacture number plates.

In terms of enforcement, they contract the Police to deliver certain categories of enforcement that they want done, in order to meet their goals e.g. they want 75000 hours of restraint enforcement done, so they pay the Police to go and do it.

Right. Now, a few years back, 21% of the total Police funding came from the LAND TRANSPORT FUND. That's a bucket of cash that the gubbermint wants to spend on road safety. It comes from each annual budget. Money arrives into the Land Transport Fund from all sorts of places, including petrol taxes, fines, project funds etc etc etc. NZTA then distributes that according to their strategy.

So the Police get about 21% (4 year old figure, don't know what it is now) of their funding specifically to road policing enforcement. The Police management then have to allocate resources to do that work. Like, no delivert oif enforcement, no 21%.

It appears that road policing gets lots of funding, but it's actually, in my experience, less than 21% of the total Police spend. The Armed Offenders Squad costs quite a few dollars each year, but it's low profile, so people don't realise it's happening. Another example of unseen spending is the watchhouse, the cells at each nick. Staffing that is expensive, but folk don't see it happening unless they get banged up. In this way, the cops people see doing road policing appear to be the only ones actually doing much, as that's how it appears to the outsider.

In reality, I suspect that less than 21% of our resources are spent on road policing. That means that road policing is part funding other sections of the police. For example, if all the road policing staff were sent to investigate the things that the public wants done, how long to yo suppose it would be before NZTA pulled the 21% of the funding? We'd be committing fraud, claiming our 21% and doing no road enforcement.

The answer in regard to getting the real police work done is to increase the total budget, maintaining the road policing spend, but increasing the general policing spend.

Now, in case you hadn't noticed, the gubbermint has been effectively reducing the depts budget by not increasing it. We keep getting told to work smarter with what we've got, as we won't be getting more. At times like these, it's easy to look at road policing and say that we are doing too much of it. The fact is that we are paid to do it, and if we don't the funding will dry up. It certainly won't benefit other police outputs if road policing shrinks.

Still, never let facts stand in the way of a good old KB whinge.

[oneofsix]

Still, never let facts stand in the way of a good old KB whinge.

Facts? What have facts to do with statistics? You make the assumption that 21% of funding = 21% of policing = 21% of police resources. As a lot of that funding goes to automatic policing, such as cameras 21% of funding buys a lot more than 21% of policing so yes the police do get to spend more time on political initiatives than stopping creeps from terrorising their victims.

:corn:

[Usarka]

Last time I looked the local cops didn't have anything called CSI

Yeah but they pronounce it Cuzzie. Bro.

[Bison]

We call it "Ident."...or the Traffic Reconstructionist. They take far longer than 60 minutes minus commercials and station breaks to solve the crime for the Plods who actually do the work but don't have a TV show. :)

[swbarnett]

It appears that road policing gets lots of funding, but it's actually, in my experience, less than 21% of the total Police spend. The Armed Offenders Squad costs quite a few dollars each year, but it's low profile, so people don't realise it's happening. Another example of unseen spending is the watchhouse, the cells at each nick. Staffing that is expensive, but folk don't see it happening unless they get banged up. In this way, the cops people see doing road policing appear to be the only ones actually doing much, as that's how it appears to the outsider.
"Not only must Justice be done; it must also be seen to be done."

It seems from what you're saying is that the police are failing miserably in the second part.

[Akzle]

Any form of abuse by the cops is covered by the complaints process.
bwahahahah, you've never complained, huh?
it's about as "independent" as my left nut is from my right one. a large portion of them get thrown straight back to the cops.. like
"bro, sign this shit off"
"suck my balls"
"ok bro"
deal done. complaint noted and filed and fuck you, citizen.

I'm not talking about physical abuse, I meant the way they abuse their powers and responsiblities to the community
dividied subject. there certainly are some. far too many, really. seem to be concentrated around auckland.

I dont think you have any experience with the PCA or the complaints process. I have had some limited involvement with it. Lets just say that the po po do take that shit seriously, stuff does get investigated, and results happen.
i do. i really, really do. asides from getting paid for damages done in a search that was illegal in the first place, they haven't done fuckall for me, and that wasn't "write a polite letter to the IPCA" that was phone the cunts and the cop-unts daily for a fucking progress report.

I wonder how long it would take for the NZTA to withdraw the funding if every FTE (Full Time Equivalent employee) they paid for was used to chase up historic burglaries?

Still, never let facts stand in the way of a good old KB whinge.

nice post there bud. then comes the question: should the government policy enforcement division be contracted to a statutory body/ private person/ incorporated body to undertake private enterprise.. for the benefit of... //wait, who?

i've no doubt that some "real cop shit" gets done. i don't feel like it's getting 80% done based on the x% i see travelling on crown roads. nor by the (admittedly hype) media. nor by any previous experience whence a good citizen would think "some cunt needs some help, i should call the police"

so faith, i have very little, believing you... we're about 40%. give me a license to shoot patched aussies and burn their holdings, and i'll reconsider some...

[Brian d marge]

A couple of the London nicks , do a nice breakfast , and a cup of tea if play ya cards right ( unseen money well spent I reckon)

Stephen

[awayatc]

I wonder how long it would take for the NZTA to withdraw the funding if every FTE (Full Time Equivalent employee) they paid for was used to chase up historic burglaries?

See, here's how it works. The body responsible for road safety in NZ is the NZTA. They work with the Ministry of Transport to hatch planes to reduce the road crashes.

They do education, engineering and enforcement, contracting other bodies and agencies to actually deliver the stuff they can't do. For example, they employ a company to manufacture number plates.

In terms of enforcement, they contract the Police to deliver certain categories of enforcement that they want done, in order to meet their goals e.g. they want 75000 hours of restraint enforcement done, so they pay the Police to go and do it.

Right. Now, a few years back, 21% of the total Police funding came from the LAND TRANSPORT FUND. That's a bucket of cash that the gubbermint wants to spend on road safety. It comes from each annual budget. Money arrives into the Land Transport Fund from all sorts of places, including petrol taxes, fines, project funds etc etc etc. NZTA then distributes that according to their strategy.

So the Police get about 21% (4 year old figure, don't know what it is now) of their funding specifically to road policing enforcement. The Police management then have to allocate resources to do that work. Like, no delivert oif enforcement, no 21%.

It appears that road policing gets lots of funding, but it's actually, in my experience, less than 21% of the total Police spend. The Armed Offenders Squad costs quite a few dollars each year, but it's low profile, so people don't realise it's happening. Another example of unseen spending is the watchhouse, the cells at each nick. Staffing that is expensive, but folk don't see it happening unless they get banged up. In this way, the cops people see doing road policing appear to be the only ones actually doing much, as that's how it appears to the outsider.

In reality, I suspect that less than 21% of our resources are spent on road policing. That means that road policing is part funding other sections of the police. For example, if all the road policing staff were sent to investigate the things that the public wants done, how long to yo suppose it would be before NZTA pulled the 21% of the funding? We'd be committing fraud, claiming our 21% and doing no road enforcement.

The answer in regard to getting the real police work done is to increase the total budget, maintaining the road policing spend, but increasing the general policing spend.

Now, in case you hadn't noticed, the gubbermint has been effectively reducing the depts budget by not increasing it. We keep getting told to work smarter with what we've got, as we won't be getting more. At times like these, it's easy to look at road policing and say that we are doing too much of it. The fact is that we are paid to do it, and if we don't the funding will dry up. It certainly won't benefit other police outputs if road policing shrinks.

Still, never let facts stand in the way of a good old KB whinge.


Time to look overseas then......
find out how other countries do it......
The civilised ones (not OZ)
because most other countries seem to manage quite well without this uber anal speed extortion racket.
AND they can manage their crime stats better then us as well...

So a bit less bull with my cock please....

[superjackal]

I wonder how long it would take for the NZTA to withdraw the funding if every FTE (Full Time Equivalent employee) they paid for was used to chase up historic burglaries?

See, here's how it works. The body responsible for road safety in NZ is the NZTA. They work with the Ministry of Transport to hatch planes to reduce the road crashes.

They do education, engineering and enforcement, contracting other bodies and agencies to actually deliver the stuff they can't do. For example, they employ a company to manufacture number plates.

In terms of enforcement, they contract the Police to deliver certain categories of enforcement that they want done, in order to meet their goals e.g. they want 75000 hours of restraint enforcement done, so they pay the Police to go and do it.

Right. Now, a few years back, 21% of the total Police funding came from the LAND TRANSPORT FUND. That's a bucket of cash that the gubbermint wants to spend on road safety. It comes from each annual budget. Money arrives into the Land Transport Fund from all sorts of places, including petrol taxes, fines, project funds etc etc etc. NZTA then distributes that according to their strategy.

So the Police get about 21% (4 year old figure, don't know what it is now) of their funding specifically to road policing enforcement. The Police management then have to allocate resources to do that work. Like, no delivert oif enforcement, no 21%.

It appears that road policing gets lots of funding, but it's actually, in my experience, less than 21% of the total Police spend. The Armed Offenders Squad costs quite a few dollars each year, but it's low profile, so people don't realise it's happening. Another example of unseen spending is the watchhouse, the cells at each nick. Staffing that is expensive, but folk don't see it happening unless they get banged up. In this way, the cops people see doing road policing appear to be the only ones actually doing much, as that's how it appears to the outsider.

In reality, I suspect that less than 21% of our resources are spent on road policing. That means that road policing is part funding other sections of the police. For example, if all the road policing staff were sent to investigate the things that the public wants done, how long to yo suppose it would be before NZTA pulled the 21% of the funding? We'd be committing fraud, claiming our 21% and doing no road enforcement.

The answer in regard to getting the real police work done is to increase the total budget, maintaining the road policing spend, but increasing the general policing spend.

Now, in case you hadn't noticed, the gubbermint has been effectively reducing the depts budget by not increasing it. We keep getting told to work smarter with what we've got, as we won't be getting more. At times like these, it's easy to look at road policing and say that we are doing too much of it. The fact is that we are paid to do it, and if we don't the funding will dry up. It certainly won't benefit other police outputs if road policing shrinks.

Still, never let facts stand in the way of a good old KB whinge.

I think you missed the point of what he was trying to say somewhere there.

[Brian d marge]

Time to look overseas then......
find out how other countries do it......
The civilised ones (not OZ)
because most other countries seem to manage quite well without this uber anal speed extortion racket.
AND they can manage their crime stats better then us as well...

So a bit less bull with my cock please....

I can safely sa I havent seen a cop ( traffic) or otherwise for quite a while now , can remember when I saw one doing "traffic " patrol oh it does happen and on the motorway the speed sign says 80 , but most sit at around 100 to 140

Stephen ( japan )

[SPman]

In OZ, speed cameras inc, is now a $2 billion/yr industry! The money to the authorities is like heroin to a junkie - can't see them trying to wean themselves of it by themselves, any time soon!

[st00ji]

interesting post as usual rastus.

seems to me like the police funding model needs work

[blue rider]

you say Police Officer and I think "HOT FUZZ"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0425112/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1


What pissed me off last night was a "news" item that said in effect "Police intend to restrict the speed tolerance even more not just on holiday weekends".

My question is: "What the fuck?" The police are not a policy setting organisation: they are there as a policy implementation organisation. An arm of the judiciary, if you will.

Policy (theoretically) is set by the executive, and subject to sanction (i.e. being voted out) by the body politic. (yes, in theory).

GRRRRRRR



oh how quaint.

[rastuscat]

interesting post as usual rastus.

seems to me like the police funding model needs work

No probs. Send me donut vouchers and I will keep entertaining you :Police:

[nosebleed]

or as anyone with any clue about the scientific method would say "Correlation does not equal causation: because A follows B it does not logically follow that A caused B"

You sure about this scientific quote? :devil2:

[swbarnett]

or as anyone with any clue about the scientific method would say "Correlation does not equal causation: because A follows B it does not logically follow that A caused B"
You sure about this scientific quote? :devil2:
I believe it should be:


"Correlation does not equal causation: because B follows A it does not logically follow that A caused B"

[scumdog]

Still, never let facts stand in the way of a good old KB whinge.

True!~

KB: "A place where those who have the least true knowledge rant the most to those who don't really care and with the least effect... "

[far queue]

I believe it should be:


"Correlation does not equal causation: because B follows A it does not logically follow that A caused B"

This explains it nicely ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQjqxayxwt4