Poor helmet may have cost motorcyclist his life

[oneofsix]

Why you should get an approved helmet.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8553721/Poor-helmet-may-have-cost-man-his-life

I realise this still to be "proven", as in accepted by the coroner, but it is a bit of an unusual statement from the police. Also interesting that after the usual AA comment they did actually ask some motorcyclist for their comments.

Somewhat flippant question, but does this go down as a bike only crash as the truck wasn't hit?

I hope this doesn't go against the death thread rules but do think there are some important lessons here about helmet and gear choice.

[James Deuce]

Somewhat flippant question, but does this go down as a bike only crash as the truck wasn't hit?


Yes. It does.

[oneofsix]

Yes. It does.

Kind of highlights an issue with bike crashes doesn't it? Often the rider is able to avoid the other vehicle, whereas a car wouldn't, but the rider is then unable, due to lack of space or forces involved, to avoid the subsequent crash. Whilst the rider wasn't the cause, they, and the rest of us through the stats, suffer the consequences.
Still I can put up with that and a live rider better than the rider dying due to a substandard helmet. Better that he be alive to argue the point. Wonder if he bought it in NZ or online? I would hope they can't sell them in NZ but so often the law seems to allow the sale of substandard stuff and then try to prevent the buyer (or victim of the substandard sale) from using their purchase.

[FJRider]

Kind of highlights an issue with bike crashes doesn't it? Often the rider is able to avoid the other vehicle, whereas a car wouldn't, but the rider is then unable, due to lack of space or forces involved, to avoid the subsequent crash. Whilst the rider wasn't the cause, they, and the rest of us through the stats, suffer the consequences.
Still I can put up with that and a live rider better than the rider dying due to a substandard helmet. Better that he be alive to argue the point. Wonder if he bought it in NZ or online? I would hope they can't sell them in NZ but so often the law seems to allow the sale of substandard stuff and then try to prevent the buyer (or victim of the substandard sale) from using their purchase.

At best it is reported as Truck vs Bike. As most Police report as such. ACC seem to report any accident involving a motorcycle ... 4 or two wheels, and on or off the road. Using those methods to base their statistics has been known for some time. The argument against this principal they continue to use will be ongoing in ACC/Motorcyclists protests and discussions.

As far as the safety gear goes ... every accident is different. Some accidents your gear will protect you ... some accidents the gear (ANY gear) will be of no ... (or little) use in the prevention of death or injury.

The old argument of $10 heads in $10 helmets ... could be mentioned here. As does the argument of "let those that ride decide" ... (personal choice and decision making)

[Mom]

So, the cause of this bikers death was a substandard helmet? How about the truck that pulled out in front of him being a contributing factor?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8553721/Poor-helmet-may-have-cost-man-his-life

[oneofsix]

As does the argument of "let those that ride decide" ... (personal choice and decision making)

Only problem I have with that is often the decision is not an informed one, if they are making an informed decision then it is personal choice. Of course then you get to "none so deaf ..." but in that case the information is their they make a choice not to use it. I am more concerned about those that a mis-lead into the wrong choices.

[Robbie_]

So, the cause of this bikers death was a substandard helmet? How about the truck that pulled out in front of him being a contributing factor?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8553721/Poor-helmet-may-have-cost-man-his-life

Although tragic you're reading the article to how you see it. Re read the article and not the headline, you will see they lay blame on the truck. The aim of the article is to say that he could have SURVIVED if he were wearing a full face safety helmet that met one of several international standards and not one of those little tin hat helmets.
Just goes to show the importance of defensive riding and correct gear folks'..

[superjackal]

The old argument of $10 heads in $10 helmets ... could be mentioned here. As does the argument of "let those that ride decide" ... (personal choice and decision making)

I wonder about this $10 helmet thing. I have an HJC helmet. As far as I'm aware, at $129 new, it's bottom of the range. I don't feel unsafe in it though. Upgrading my helmet is on my to do list.

[jellywrestler]

So, the cause of this bikers death was a substandard helmet? How about the truck that pulled out in front of him being a contributing factor?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8553721/Poor-helmet-may-have-cost-man-his-life

according to the article it's because he had a sticker on his helmet!!! that's what killed him

[Matariki]

A good helmet does wonders, a good driver can prevent death by looking where they're going. I was hit by a mobility van a couple years back, after it failed to give way. I went head first through the side window and my left leg was caught under the bumper. I'm glad to say my head survived (I was wearing a full faced HJC helmet), my leg, well, barely. I'm not the sort of rider that wears shorts and sneakers, but unfortunately I wasn't wearing leg armour at the time. I learnt my lesson and so did the driver who hit me.

But its sad to hear that the rider that was killed didn't, and I personally don't think it was fair to label the article as "Poor helmet may have cost man his life". In my mind it denotes that he was at fault for his own death. Although the article is not specific whether or not the truck driver failed or the motorcyclist failed to pay attention. I think sadly, it might of been the combination of the two.

[oneofsix]

I wonder about this $10 helmet thing. I have an HJC helmet. As far as I'm aware, at $129 new, it's bottom of the range. I don't feel unsafe in it though. Upgrading my helmet is on my to do list.

From the HJC on up it is more about comfort and weight and features of course. Being up to the standards is the good start. Check out the Sharp site, sharp.direct.gov.uk, gives you an idea that price isn't always about safety and you can get a safe helmet for little money.

[roogazza]

So, the cause of this bikers death was a substandard helmet? How about the truck that pulled out in front of him being a contributing factor?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8553721/Poor-helmet-may-have-cost-man-his-life

I get ya Mom, the truck may well be found in time, to have caused this fellow to crash. He would have stood a much better chance by wearing an approved helmet and not his little 'tin' one.
His choice huh ?

[davereid]

So, the cause of this bikers death was a substandard helmet? How about the truck that pulled out in front of him being a contributing factor? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8553721/Poor-helmet-may-have-cost-man-his-life

Yes. They tend to do this crap.

All the other bikers that died last year presumably were wearing helmets with the little sticker. But have a head injury without the right helmet, and suddenly everyone knows that he would have been OK if he had the right lid.

Soon it will be "Motor Cyclist at fault as headlight not on, driver couldn't see him"
or

"Failure to wear Hi-Viz causes rider to die when hit by 4WD"

[MIXONE]

Very misleading headline IMO.My first thought was "WTF what about the truck driver who failed to see him".

[p.dath]

I wonder about this $10 helmet thing. I have an HJC helmet. As far as I'm aware, at $129 new, it's bottom of the range. I don't feel unsafe in it though. Upgrading my helmet is on my to do list.

If a helmet is standards approved then it is standards approved. There is no relationship to price.

[p.dath]

You can buy a DOT approved skull cap, which means it is legally approved for use in NZ (needs a little sticker on it still ...).

So the simple fact that the rider was wearing a skull cap does not mean it wasn't an approved helmet.

[Oscar]

according to the article it's because he had a sticker on his helmet!!! that's what killed him

Being more worried about how he looked, than accepting the fact that the road is a dangerous place cost him any chance of survival.

[FJRider]

I wonder about this $10 helmet thing. I have an HJC helmet. As far as I'm aware, at $129 new, it's bottom of the range. I don't feel unsafe in it though. Upgrading my helmet is on my to do list.

I often see "Good Looking" helmets in second hand places for $10 or thereabouts. Riders die wearing $1000 helmets ... go figure ;)

You take the protection you decide you need/afford. End results may vary .. :shutup:

[FJRider]

So, the cause of this bikers death was a substandard helmet? How about the truck that pulled out in front of him being a contributing factor?



That has NO relevance at all. As it was a Motorcycle accident ... NOT a Truck accident ... :innocent:

[p.dath]

There is one problem with DOT standards. DOT standard approval is self policed.

Any manufacturer can decide on any testing regime they like, with any quality control system, and call their helmet DOT certified. There is no independent auditing or testing process.

So I could build a helmet tonight out of wood, and call it DOT certified.


The DOT certification is only as good as the trust you place in the manufacturer to comply with the standard.

[FJRider]

Only problem I have with that is often the decision is not an informed one, if they are making an informed decision then it is personal choice. Of course then you get to "none so deaf ..." but in that case the information is their they make a choice not to use it. I am more concerned about those that a mis-lead into the wrong choices.

Does "Informed" equate to actual education. Or equate to mere personal "Choice" .. ???

Knowing what may happen ... is not always what will happen. Together with "It wont happen to me" attitude ... makes us invincible.

I know of a rider that wears (wore) thin leather gloves (not even motorcycle gloves) and heated grips on the grounds of comfort. Then on his first off gravel rashed both palms on his first off. Would anybody really believe THAT couldn't happen ... ??? Should somebody have "informed" him it could .. ???

Another can of worms to open ... are race leathers suitable/safe for road use .. ???

[FJRider]

There is one problem with DOT standards. DOT standard approval is self policed.

Any manufacturer can decide on any testing regime they like, with any quality control system, and call their helmet DOT certified. There is no independent auditing or testing process.

So I could build a helmet tonight out of wood, and call it DOT certified.


The DOT certification is only as good as the trust you place in the manufacturer to comply with the standard.

In the interest of education for all.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/pedbimot/motorcycle/unsafehelmetid/pages/page2.htm

[HenryDorsetCase]

I wonder about this $10 helmet thing. I have an HJC helmet. As far as I'm aware, at $129 new, it's bottom of the range. I don't feel unsafe in it though. Upgrading my helmet is on my to do list.

It appears this guy was wearing one of those shorty skullcap types favoured by sons of anarchy wannabes.

[Scuba_Steve]

It appears this guy was wearing one of those shorty skullcap types favoured by sons of anarchy wannabes.

Apparently alot of people with these skull caps only have WWII type not ones made for bikes; not saying this is the case here but people do it.

[merv]

The Germans never won the war in helmets like that either.

[oneofsix]

Think this is what they meant by skull cap
http://www.leatherlollipop.com/prod_images_blowup/dotskullcapdullNOvisor1.jpg

and this by German style

http://www.streetbikersden.com/images/product/large/1212.jpg

[Katman]

You can buy a DOT approved skull cap, which means it is legally approved for use in NZ (needs a little sticker on it still ...).

So the simple fact that the rider was wearing a skull cap does not mean it wasn't an approved helmet.


And in the interest of further education (and being directly applicable to New Zealand).....

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/motorcycle-road-code/you-and-your-motorcycle/wearing-the-right-gear.html

The DOT safety standard only applies to helmets manufactured and purchased in the States.

[FJRider]

The DOT safety standard only applies to helmets manufactured and purchased in the States.

But ... but ... but ... we as Kiwi's only object to the NZ government following Aussie legislation. As we can make our own (legislative) decisions ... right. And Aussie conditions are so different to our own ... :pinch:

And the Yanks make cooler looking gear too ... :yes:

Right ... ??? :scratch:



Or have I got it wrong ... again ... :innocent:

[gloplg]

I wonder if the "accident" would have happened at all had the motorcyclist chosen to make himself more visible to other road users????

[kinger]

Perhaps he'd been turned away from a Ulysses run and lost the safety in numbers.
Another can of worms.......

[huff3r]

Soon it will be "Motor Cyclist at fault as headlight not on, driver couldn't see him"
or

"Failure to wear Hi-Viz causes rider to die when hit by 4WD"

Hardly. You are not making a distinction between the cause of the accident and the cause of the death. Both of the above are possible causes of accidents (although the real cause is inattention). The truck caused this accident.

The cause of death occurs after or during the accident, the blow that did the deed as it were. In this case a head injury, that potentially could have been prevented with better head protection.

The accident could have been prevented in a number of ways, however once the accident is occurring there are very limited ways to prevent the death occurring... eg, helmets, gear, hard objects on/around the road could all be changed. The cause of the accident should not be attributed to the cause of death, even if it did play a part.

They are seperate things yeah?

You can have an accident.. or not have one.
Once you have an accident you can then die... or not.

[FJRider]

Hardly. You are not making a distinction between the cause of the accident and the cause of the death. Both of the above are possible causes of accidents (although the real cause is inattention). The truck caused this accident.

Making such distinctions can be a blame chase starter ... if you are knocked off your bike. Resulting in your head making contact with a speed limit/advisory sign ... resulting in your death .... Is Transit NZ/ council then at blame for placing an object at the side of the road ... that caused a death .. ???

The truck caused the accident. The poor quality helmet contributed to the death.

Sue the Helmet manufacturer maybe .. ???

[oneofsix]

Making such distinctions can be a blame chase starter ... if you are knocked off your bike. Resulting in your head making contact with a speed limit/advisory sign ... resulting in your death .... Is Transit NZ/ council then at blame for placing an object at the side of the road ... that caused a death .. ???


The roadside furniture did and places like Western Aus have put considerable effort into improving it so it is less likely to whereas NZTA don't seem to want to in NZ.

:Oops: This is getting too close to the WRB type threads now :shutup:

[FJRider]

The roadside furniture did and places like Western Aus have put considerable effort into improving it so it is less likely to whereas NZTA don't seem to want to in NZ.

:Oops: This is getting too close to the WRB type threads now :shutup:

Transit will soon be required to paint all posts on signs with high viz paint schemes. That will fix it ... ;)

[oneofsix]

Transit will soon be required to paint all posts on signs with high viz paint schemes. That will fix it ... ;)

:laugh: no we can't allow a simple fix like that, that will cause target fixation :lol: Only answer is to remove all signs and barriers, can't hit them if they aren't there :yes:

[FJRider]

:laugh: no we can't allow a simple fix like that, that will cause target fixation :lol: Only answer is to remove all signs and barriers, can't hit them if they aren't there :yes:

But ... but ... but ... :shit:

It is obvious that there is less likelyhood of people hitting "things" that can clearly be seen :yes: Right .. :scratch:

Or have I got it wrong ... again .. :facepalm:

[huff3r]

Making such distinctions can be a blame chase starter ... if you are knocked off your bike. Resulting in your head making contact with a speed limit/advisory sign ... resulting in your death .... Is Transit NZ/ council then at blame for placing an object at the side of the road ... that caused a death .. ???

The truck caused the accident. The poor quality helmet contributed to the death.

Sue the Helmet manufacturer maybe .. ???

You mean people might start making improvements to all aspects of road safety? Oh no, that would be terrible!

[FJRider]

You mean people might start making improvements to all aspects of road safety? Oh no, that would be terrible!

It would be better to raise the IQ level of all road users ... and would save more lives on the road than ANY other "Improvement" ...

Too easy ... ???

[Trade_nancy]

The use off the skimpy lid may well have killed him..but why was the crash so serious if he was approaching a roundabout with a truck counter-aproaching - wouldn't you slow to say 30kph and transit the curve with caution? If u did, the swerve to avoid the truck should cause you broken winkers and toes - not death. So maybe he was stoking it and planned a slick sweep around the curve. Truckie may have predicted a slower approach.

[duckonin]

The use off the skimpy lid may well have killed him..but why was the crash so serious if he was approaching a roundabout with a truck counter-aproaching - wouldn't you slow to say 30kph and transit the curve with caution? If u did, the swerve to avoid the truck should cause you broken winkers and toes - not death. So maybe he was stoking it and planned a slick sweep around the curve. Truckie may have predicted a slower approach.


This one has got it sorted.:yes:.. Many more should try..:innocent:

[Oscar]

The use off the skimpy lid may well have killed him..but why was the crash so serious if he was approaching a roundabout with a truck counter-aproaching - wouldn't you slow to say 30kph and transit the curve with caution? If u did, the swerve to avoid the truck should cause you broken winkers and toes - not death. So maybe he was stoking it and planned a slick sweep around the curve. Truckie may have predicted a slower approach.

:gob:Good sense...on KB?
Wonders never cease...

[cheshirecat]

I used to work at the UK Transport Research Labs researching of all things motorcycle helmets. One of my Monday chores was to collate the new arrivals fresh from the weekends accidents. Fresh being relative as they were starting to pong a bit. No way would I ride with an open face especially pootling around town. Even on low speed (under 50Kph) contacts the fronts would fold in becoming quite efficient meat slicers.

[Oscar]

I used to work at the UK Transport Research Labs researching of all things motorcycle helmets. One of my Monday chores was to collate the new arrivals fresh from the weekends accidents. Fresh being relative as they were starting to pong a bit. No way would I ride with an open face especially pootling around town. Even on low speed (under 50Kph) contacts the fronts would fold in becoming quite efficient meat slicers.

I've got a bewdy scar on my top lip (so bad I grow a beard to cover it), from a 50km/h crash wearing a open face helmet.
Left my front teeth in the bonnet of a Vauxhall Viva, broke my jaw and split my lip so bad there was a gap up to the base of my nose...

[Road kill]

You can buy a DOT approved skull cap, which means it is legally approved for use in NZ (needs a little sticker on it still ...).

So the simple fact that the rider was wearing a skull cap does not mean it wasn't an approved helmet.

Show us one.

I've looked at heaps of em' and have yet to find even one that meets the AUS/NZ standards.

Not going to happen is it ?:wait:

[Road kill]

There is one problem with DOT standards. DOT standard approval is self policed.

Any manufacturer can decide on any testing regime they like, with any quality control system, and call their helmet DOT certified. There is no independent auditing or testing process.

So I could build a helmet tonight out of wood, and call it DOT certified.


The DOT certification is only as good as the trust you place in the manufacturer to comply with the standard.



Bull shit,,,,yet again.

There's an independent AUS/NZ testing company based in Sydney Australia and if any manufacturers helmet doesn't meet their standards it won't get AUS/NZ or DOT approval and also won't get their little stickers.

[James Deuce]

Bull shit,,,,yet again.

There's an independent AUS/NZ testing company based in Sydney Australia and if any manufacturers helmet doesn't meet their standards it won't get AUS/NZ or DOT approval and also won't get their little stickers.

Umm, no, DOT is a US standard, not an Aus or NZ one.

[FJRider]

Bull shit,,,,yet again.

There's an independent AUS/NZ testing company based in Sydney Australia and if any manufacturers helmet doesn't meet their standards it won't get AUS/NZ or DOT approval and also won't get their little stickers.

I call Bullshit on that post.

They are not the sole authority (and written in legislation to that effect) in the testing/approval of safety helmets available in NZ.

An approved motorcycle helmet is one that complies with one or more of the (following) approved international standards:

:UN/ECE Regulation No. 22: Protective helmets and their visors for drivers and passengers of motorcycles and mopeds (Europe)

:Australian Standard AS 1698: Protective helmets for vehicle users

:New Zealand Standard NZS 5430: Protective helmets for vehicle users

:Snell Memorial Foundation: Helmet Standard for use in motorcycling

:Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 218: Motorcycle helmets

:British Standard BS 6658: Specification for protective helmets for vehicle users (for type A helmets only)

:Japan Industrial Standard T8133.

Helmets intended for the use of motorcyclists that do not reach these standards are available through various means.

The purchase/import of such helmets are not illegal. Merely the use of them ... on public roads.

[AllanB]

I imported my HJC form the USA - it is Snell/Dot approved. Legal in NZ in other words due to Snell approval. Just the same as all the NZ new HJC helmets from your dealer - just half the price and with graphics you cannot get here. Made in Korea too!

I also note and have done for some time that there is NO inspection done on motorcycle helmets post purchase - it surprises me that a car will fail a seat-belt that has slight edge fraying but when getting a motorcycle WOF the helmet is not checked for approval, age and indications of damage.

As a side note if you cars seat-belt has slight edge fraying but is not unsafe in any manner it may still fail - best to carefully remove the fraying with a lighter or razor blade before you go for your WOF. PS I was told this by a WOF inspector years back!!!!

[carburator]

three years ago i had the unfortunat experince of attending a motorcycle accident
where the rider was wearing one of those german style pot helmets....

needless to say he had left all his lower jaw and upto nose cavity on the road
smashed both wrists ( bones poking out ) and other damage due to he was riding
like a asshole, over took a car turning right and collected a meduim strip catapulting him
and the bike into the air..

i beleive the rider is still alive, however a complete veggie...

[AllanB]

Eeekkk. The jaw issue would in theory apply to any open face helmet regardless of any approved sticker as there is no protection offered.

[superjackal]

I've got a bewdy scar on my top lip (so bad I grow a beard to cover it), from a 50km/h crash wearing a open face helmet.
Left my front teeth in the bonnet of a Vauxhall Viva, broke my jaw and split my lip so bad there was a gap up to the base of my nose...

Owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwww!!!!!!

[p.dath]

In the interest of education for all.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/pedbimot/motorcycle/unsafehelmetid/pages/page2.htm

That pretty much demonstrates my point. An "annual" check? Really? So if a manufacturer churns out 10 million helmets per annum they do QA check on one of them? As I said before, I believe this check is done by the manufacturer - not the NHTSA.

And as the article says, many helmets have DOT stickers that are not DOT compliant. So any trust placed in the DOT sticker on a helmet should only extend to the trust you have in that brand.

[p.dath]

And in the interest of further education (and being directly applicable to New Zealand).....

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/motorcycle-road-code/you-and-your-motorcycle/wearing-the-right-gear.html

The DOT safety standard only applies to helmets manufactured and purchased in the States.

Now that is interesting. I didn't realise it only applied to helmets *purchased* in the US. So you can purchase and import it from the US, but presumably not buy the DOT helmet locally. Or does a distributor purchasing in the US and then re-selling in NZ count. Very grey.

[p.dath]

Show us one.

I've looked at heaps of em' and have yet to find even one that meets the AUS/NZ standards.

Not going to happen is it ?:wait:

I just typed that exact query into Google ("DOT approved skull cap"), and this is the first link it came back with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t-jpYa2ijc
There were plenty of others as well.

So very easy to find.

[p.dath]

Bull shit,,,,yet again.

There's an independent AUS/NZ testing company based in Sydney Australia and if any manufacturers helmet doesn't meet their standards it won't get AUS/NZ or DOT approval and also won't get their little stickers.

DOT approval is an NHSTA standard. It has *nothing* to do with NZ or Australia. Do you really think the USA sends all of their helmets for DOT approval to some lab in NZ or Australia?

Now that is not to say that the testing lab in Australia can't certify a helmet as DOT compliant - but that doesn't prevent some manufacturer in the USA from producing a DOT compliant helmet.

[FJRider]

I imported my HJC form the USA - it is Snell/Dot approved. Legal in NZ in other words due to Snell approval. Just the same as all the NZ new HJC helmets from your dealer - just half the price and with graphics you cannot get here. Made in Korea too!



Please note ... it is the Snell Foundation that do the testing. The "DoT" in DoT approved ...stands for :The Department of Transport (US). They do not test helmets.

And according to the NZ legislation ... the list of required (by Legislation) standards required in NZ ... as I quoted in post #47 ...makes NO mention of DoT approved helmets (with their sticker alone on them) being legal in NZ.

[Paul in NZ]

Its a silly argument. Just apply common sense and you can see that the more naked areas the higher the chance of injury / disfigurement.

We have open faced lids and used them about the village on a sunny day while riding our old bike sedately. Open road - full face every time....

What does make me scratch my head is the lengths the open faced / coal scuttle brigade go to with scarves and masks and sunnies to protect their faces in bad weather... Oh ffs just buy a bloody full face.... They would save 15 minutes dressing and unwrapping on every ride

[FJRider]

That pretty much demonstrates my point. An "annual" check? Really? So if a manufacturer churns out 10 million helmets per annum they do QA check on one of them? As I said before, I believe this check is done by the manufacturer - not the NHTSA.

Vehicle manufacturers do not crash test every vehicle that rolls (excuse the pun) off the line. And would test those that had changes in design or manufacture process.
Reputable manufacturers would test their own products to ensure their products meet the required standards ... to meet the coveted Governmental approvals.


And as the article says, many helmets have DOT stickers that are not DOT compliant. So any trust placed in the DOT sticker on a helmet should only extend to the trust you have in that brand.

Helmets with ONLY DoT approved stickers are not legal in NZ.

[FJRider]

Its a silly argument. Just apply common sense and you can see that the more naked areas the higher the chance of injury / disfigurement.

We have open faced lids and used them about the village on a sunny day while riding our old bike sedately. Open road - full face every time....

What does make me scratch my head is the lengths the open faced / coal scuttle brigade go to with scarves and masks and sunnies to protect their faces in bad weather... Oh ffs just buy a bloody full face.... They would save 15 minutes dressing and unwrapping on every ride

I see it in the same way. And often see it at Motorcycle rallys. The weather is not always the same on the day of the trip home ... as it was on the day of arrival.

Personal choice and freedoms ... sometimes just make me smile.

[Tarded]

I've got a bewdy scar on my top lip (so bad I grow a beard to cover it), from a 50km/h crash wearing a open face helmet.
Left my front teeth in the bonnet of a Vauxhall Viva, broke my jaw and split my lip so bad there was a gap up to the base of my nose...

Thats where the term 'open face' comes from.
I have bashed the chin bar on a lid more than once.
I can still eat steak and crackling. Full face only for me.

[kinger]

I have bashed the chin bar on a lid more than once.

You don't think this says something about you rather than helmets?:facepalm:

[huff3r]

You don't think this says something about you rather than helmets?:facepalm:

Maybe it does say he is accident prone... it still means he is better off with a full-face. I don't want to come off, but if I do I want to be in a full-face at the time!

[bosslady]

I'm pretty sure that for someone to import lids from the US to sell here, they have to provide documentation provided by the manufacturer of said helmet to the powers that be "proving" that it conforms to the applicable standard, it's not hard and I know people who've imported child seats in such a way. But, you could just purchase online and get one sent to you for personal use but as soon as you go to sell it for profit... well.

[Tink]

I was in a accident, no one else involved but myself and the rider (pre my licence)

He was wearing a full face helmet... if he wasn't wearing one, I would swear he would have lost most of his face.

I hit the side of my head, helmet a right off... but if either of us was wearing anything other than (any brand) of full face we would have most def worse off...

I was wearing an HJC it saved my life I believe.

We were doing 60km.

[leathel]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/helmets-clothing-footwear/helmets/auction-582387977.htm

classic, listed in the helmet section but not in the blurb novelty only :facepalm:

oh and its up to you to check this auction to see if it meets NZ standards

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/helmets-clothing-footwear/helmets/auction-582789214.htm

[MVnut]

Sorry, I have absolutely no sympathy for people that have no regard for themselves (by wearing shit gear etc)

[Trade_nancy]

http://www.coolestone.com/media/4288/They-Cut-My-Britches-Off/

[FJRider]

I'm pretty sure that for someone to import lids from the US to sell here, they have to provide documentation provided by the manufacturer of said helmet to the powers that be "proving" that it conforms to the applicable standard, it's not hard and I know people who've imported child seats in such a way. But, you could just purchase online and get one sent to you for personal use but as soon as you go to sell it for profit... well.

If say they claim DoT approved (which by itself not legal in NZ) And/or ... in the fine print it is described as a "show" helmet, not for Highway use (written as such on the import documentation forms) ... but with lots of pic's of one being worn on the open road.

Nothing to stop you using it on the road. Who has had their helmet checked for the appropriate safety approval stickers ... ???

Many still place the value of appearance over practical use. For example ... some even seem to believe that the abrasion resistance of their Harley Davidson T-shirts, exceed that of leather jackets.

[leathel]

Many still place the value of appearance over practical use. For example ... some even seem to believe that the abrasion resistance of their Harley Davidson T-shirts, exceed that of leather jackets.

Are you saying that Armor body wash I was sold so I could ride in a tee shirt and shorts is no good :blink: And my tee shirt is just that a std tee shirt :shit: and my leather scull cap wont protect me....:crazy:


Man I might have to give up riding as its hard to look cool in a big thick leather jacket :sick:

[FJRider]

Man I might have to give up riding as its hard to look cool in a big thick leather jacket :sick:

The Fonz had no problems ... but it might pay for you to stop wearing your Barbie back-pack with it ... ;)

[oneofsix]

The Fonz had no problems ... but it might pay for you to stop wearing your Barbie back-pack with it ... ;)

And the actor was afraid of motorbikes almost to the point of phobia, even sitting on a stationary one caused him fear, but he could still make the jacket look good, or was it the jacket that made him look good?

[leathel]

The Fonz had no problems ... . ;)

“Aaaaeeeyyy!” “Exactamundo” “You ain’t nobody until you do what you want!” :P


My Jacket isn't too far off the "Fonz" Look :)

[FJRider]

And the actor was afraid of motorbikes almost to the point of phobia, even sitting on a stationary one caused him fear, but he could still make the jacket look good, or was it the jacket that made him look good?

But he looked cool ... so all is right with the world.

[Oscar]

And the actor was afraid of motorbikes almost to the point of phobia, even sitting on a stationary one caused him fear, but he could still make the jacket look good, or was it the jacket that made him look good?

On the basis that the addition of a leather jacket changes me from a fat cunt to a fat cunt with a leather jacket on, I'm gonna go with former.

[rastuscat]

Who has had their helmet checked for the appropriate stickers

Hmmmmm. I think I can feel a helmet safety campaign coming on.......:facepalm:

[Zedder]

Hmmmmm. I think I can feel a helmet safety campaign coming on.......:facepalm:

Yeah, close the lid on it rtc...

[FJRider]

Hmmmmm. I think I can feel a helmet safety campaign coming on.......:facepalm:

I have seen approval stickers removed so as not to detract from the paint scheme. And the "clean" look.

[rastuscat]

   Law of Transportation - Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004
7.15 Driver or passenger must produce helmet for inspection
A driver or passenger of an all terrain vehicle, a motorcycle, or a moped on any road who is wearing a safety helmet must immediately produce the helmet for inspection on the demand of an enforcement officer, and must, if so required, hand it to the enforcement officer for that purpose.
Compare: SR 1976/227 r 31(5)

:)

[rastuscat]

I have seen approval stickers removed so as not to detract from the paint scheme. And the "clean" look.

(6) In proceedings for an offence of breaching this clause, proof that a safety helmet worn by the defendant did not bear a standard specification mark or a registered trademark is, until the contrary is proved, sufficient evidence that the helmet was not of an approved standard.

[p.dath]

...Who has had their helmet checked for the appropriate safety approval stickers ... ???...

I can say that when I bought my last helmet (a Shark) I couldn't find any of the stickers at all. However I trust both the Shark brand and the store I bought it from, and reputation was more important than adhesive laminated paper.

[kinger]

My last lid was an AGV Ti-tech, it had a label on the strap.

[Katman]

I can say that when I bought my last helmet (a Shark) I couldn't find any of the stickers at all. However I trust both the Shark brand and the store I bought it from, and reputation was more important than adhesive laminated paper.

Shark helmets have the safety standard label sewn onto one of the straps.

I don't think many manufacturers use stickers anymore due to the ease with which they can be removed.

[p.dath]

Shark helmets have the safety standard label sewn onto one of the straps.

I don't think many manufacturers use stickers anymore due to the ease with which they can be removed.

I shall check it tonight when I get home. Thanks for the tip. :)