Hells Angles just a motorcycle club huh? [Archive]

FJRider

18th April 2013, 16:45

One of their prospects was busted today with 300g of meth 3 hand guns and thousand's of unexplainable dollars.

Don't ya' just love it when some prick gets what's coming:bye:.

If only a prospect ... only a dubious connection could be made between him and the club.

That money would have paid for something. The "person" that owned that something might take a dim view of missing out on those $$$ ...

Said prick may still have "things" coming ...

Banditbandit

18th April 2013, 16:47

Those bloody whities again !!! More trouble than they are worth ... :innocent:

Hitcher

18th April 2013, 16:52

This thread's subject line is a salient reminder as to why I'm never getting a tattoo.

Road kill

18th April 2013, 16:57

This thread's subject line is a salient reminder as to why I'm never getting a tattoo.

It wasn't a mistake.

nodrog

18th April 2013, 18:08

This thread's subject line is a salient reminder as to why I'm never getting a tattoo.

How Obtuse!

SMOKEU

18th April 2013, 18:20

Don't ya' just love it when some prick gets what's coming:bye:.

Not when they're a victim of unjust drug laws.

FJRider

18th April 2013, 18:31

Not when they're a victim of unjust drug laws.

Not to mention the unjust Firearms laws ... and the unexplained money may have an impact on his Benefit. The IRD may be interested in it too ...

Grizzo

18th April 2013, 18:37

This thread's subject line is a salient reminder as to why I'm never getting a tattoo.

What a fuckin strange thing to say.

Virago

18th April 2013, 19:00

What a fuckin strange thing to say.

You're right - he's being acutely obtuse.

http://i.imgur.com/4xEFY.jpg

Madness

18th April 2013, 19:03

You're right - he's being acutely obtuse.

To the nth degree no less.

Mom

18th April 2013, 19:08

This thread's subject line is a salient reminder as to why I'm never getting a tattoo.

Them angles get you everytime!

skippa1

18th April 2013, 19:53

If only a prospect ... only a dubious connection could be made between him and the club.

That money would have paid for something. The "person" that owned that something might take a dim view of missing out on those $$$ ...

Said prick may still have "things" coming ...

exacery what ^^^^said

gammaguy

18th April 2013, 20:03

Its about time someone told the story from a different angel,after all every group of angles has a ruler

Katman

18th April 2013, 20:09

Once again a KB thread heads off on a tangent.

Zedder

18th April 2013, 20:56

Once again a KB thread heads off on a tangent.

That's a bit one sided but intersecting nonetheless.

BoristheBiter

18th April 2013, 22:31

That's a bit one sided but intersecting nonetheless.

Meh it will only go round in circles.

Laava

18th April 2013, 22:38

This thread is becoming protracted

Zedder

18th April 2013, 22:46

That does have some bearing on the matter but we've got to draw the line somewhere.

Big Dave

19th April 2013, 06:07

Will they go to prism?

Paul in NZ

19th April 2013, 08:04

Stress less - he was a bad egg, obviously a wrong angle.... Lots of right angles out there

Swoop

19th April 2013, 08:37

Is Isosceles a patched member or still a prospect?

Banditbandit

19th April 2013, 08:39

It's got to be a sine ...

Zedder

19th April 2013, 09:03

It's always good to think outside the square.

SMOKEU

19th April 2013, 10:31

Not to mention the unjust Firearms laws ... and the unexplained money may have an impact on his Benefit. The IRD may be interested in it too ...

At least the majority of the firearms laws in NZ are designed with some common sense, unlike the drug laws which aim to turn ordinary people into criminals.

BoristheBiter

19th April 2013, 10:40

At least the majority of the firearms laws in NZ are designed with some common sense, unlike the drug laws which aim to turn ordinary people into criminals.

Because meth heads are ordinary people?

SMOKEU

19th April 2013, 10:49

Because meth heads are ordinary people?

No, I was suggesting that the drug laws in NZ are an epic fail. By treating drugs as a criminal matter rather than a health issue, the people who really need help are less likely to get it for fear of prosecution, while the occasional users are also portrayed as criminals and often suffer accordingly with workplace drug tests and drug charges. FTP.

BoristheBiter

19th April 2013, 12:40

No, I was suggesting that the drug laws in NZ are an epic fail. By treating drugs as a criminal matter rather than a health issue, the people who really need help are less likely to get it for fear of prosecution, while the occasional users are also portrayed as criminals and often suffer accordingly with workplace drug tests and drug charges. FTP.

It is a criminal matter. it is illegal. No one forced them to take drugs.
FYI if you turn up to a rehab place you aren't arrested, nor are the police called so if they want help they are the only ones hold them back.

Now if you are caught with drugs, that is a different matter.

unstuck

19th April 2013, 12:59

Anyone selling that shit needs the broom handle from behind, across the rec room table. Not just an Angel problem though, all the same.:Punk::Punk:

SMOKEU

19th April 2013, 13:04

It is a criminal matter. it is illegal. No one forced them to take drugs.

It's about personal choice, people should be able to choose what they put into their own body as long as it doesn't cause significant health issues without fear of prosecution.

unstuck

19th April 2013, 13:10

It's about personal choice, people should be able to choose what they put into their own body as long as it doesn't cause significant health issues without fear of prosecution.

How many meth heads do you know that are not unpredictable and seriously fucked up mentally, physically and spiritually , not many,if any. And in my eyes they are a danger, not only to themselves, but me and mine as well. So fuck em, its a choice to keep using it, they and everyone else knows it is fucking them up, but they keep doing it.:Punk::Punk:

SMOKEU

19th April 2013, 13:47

How many meth heads do you know that are not unpredictable and seriously fucked up mentally, physically and spiritually , not many,if any. And in my eyes they are a danger, not only to themselves, but me and mine as well. So fuck em, its a choice to keep using it, they and everyone else knows it is fucking them up, but they keep doing it.:Punk::Punk:

I wouldn't know as I don't associate with hard drug users.

What ever happened to personal responsibility? People should be made accountable for their own actions, and we shouldn't need substance laws to do that.

Edbear

19th April 2013, 14:01

Them angles get you everytime!

"You must spread..."

Hitcher it just took a bit for them to catch up, don't feel bad... :yes:

BoristheBiter

19th April 2013, 14:02

It's about personal choice, people should be able to choose what they put into their own body as long as it doesn't cause significant health issues without fear of prosecution.

:rofl::rofl: do you really believe that shit?

So then any dope head, crackwhore junkie that needs ANY medical treatment with ANY possible link to your "personal chose" drugs go just look after themsleves or pay double for being so dumb.

SMOKEU

19th April 2013, 14:10

:rofl::rofl: do you really believe that shit?

So then any dope head, crackwhore junkie that needs ANY medical treatment with ANY possible link to your "personal chose" drugs go just look after themsleves or pay double for being so dumb.

Yes I do believe that. In NZ, we have a strong culture of diminished responsibility, and we are often blaming a lack of self control on a bigger societal issues. For example, instead of punishing drunk idiots for acting like complete fuckwits, the government has provided other "solutions" such as liquor ban areas, tighter liquor store controls, more restrictive licensed premises etc. These achieve nothing in terms of making people responsible for their own actions.

I wasn't suggesting that we make medical treatment any more expensive for people who get high. Should the government charge dirt bikers more money when they fuck themself up for choosing such a dangerous hobby?

Edbear

19th April 2013, 14:24

Yes I do believe that. In NZ, we have a strong culture of diminished responsibility, and we are often blaming a lack of self control on a bigger societal issues. For example, instead of punishing drunk idiots for acting like complete fuckwits, the government has provided other "solutions" such as liquor ban areas, tighter liquor store controls, more restrictive licensed premises etc. These achieve nothing in terms of making people responsible for their own actions.

I wasn't suggesting that we make medical treatment any more expensive for people who get high. Should the government charge dirt bikers more money when they fuck themself up for choosing such a dangerous hobby?

Personal responsibility won't come about until people are made responsible for their actions. As long as excuses are made for them and they continue to get wet bus ticket sentencing, nothing will change.

BoristheBiter

19th April 2013, 14:29

Yes I do believe that. In NZ, we have a strong culture of diminished responsibility, and we are often blaming a lack of self control on a bigger societal issues. For example, instead of punishing drunk idiots for acting like complete fuckwits, the government has provided other "solutions" such as liquor ban areas, tighter liquor store controls, more restrictive licensed premises etc. These achieve nothing in terms of making people responsible for their own actions.

I wasn't suggesting that we make medical treatment any more expensive for people who get high. Should the government charge dirt bikers more money when they fuck themselves up for choosing such a dangerous hobby?

Maybe if people had more self control we wouldn't have a problem but they don't so some things are band.

when was the last time you heard of a dirt rider selling stolen shit to be able to get a ride?

And yes you are right about the drunken idiots.

the problem is your right to have your rights infringes on my rights. comprende?

SMOKEU

19th April 2013, 14:39

Personal responsibility won't come about until people are made responsible for their actions. As long as excuses are made for them and they continue to get wet bus ticket sentencing, nothing will change.

Exactly!

Maybe if people had more self control we wouldn't have a problem but they don't so some things are band.

when was the last time you heard of a dirt rider selling stolen shit to be able to get a ride?

And yes you are right about the drunken idiots.

the problem is your right to have your rights infringes on my rights. comprende?

That depends what you classify as a "dirt biker", what about someone who steals dirt bikes so they can ride them? It happens.

Edbear is right on this one, read his comment above.

Maha

19th April 2013, 14:49

Personal responsibility won't come about until people are made responsible for their actions. As long as excuses are made for them and they continue to get wet bus ticket sentencing, nothing will change.

Careful Ed, You are starting to sound like Katman again, thats twice this year ;)
Throw in a few adjectives and your delivery will be spot on.

Edbear

19th April 2013, 14:54

Careful Ed, You are starting to sound like Katman again, thats twice this year ;)
Throw in a few adjectives and your delivery will be spot on.

:argh: :blink: :facepalm:

BoristheBiter

19th April 2013, 15:00

Exactly!

That depends what you classify as a "dirt biker", what about someone who steals dirt bikes so they can ride them? It happens.

Edbear is right on this one, read his comment above.

You knew what i meant and yes ed is right but who decides on the punishment?
me being a good right wing boy i say stick them against the wall and a good lefty would say they are misunderstood and should have a wet bus ticket and a cuddle.
So it ends up in the middle and is a pointless waste of time so laws are made to keep the majority of the populace happy, content and law abiding.

FJRider

19th April 2013, 15:17

It's about personal choice, people should be able to choose what they put into their own body as long as it doesn't cause significant health issues without fear of prosecution.

The drugs this particular prospect was caught with would NOT have been intended for his own use. The thousands of $$$ (and drugs) he was found with ... suggests it was the result of sales of the drug. Which is a whole different ballgame from "Personal use" ... and a whole different range of implications.

Trafficking is frowned on by most countries ... even those with relaxed drug laws.

Edbear

19th April 2013, 15:23

Big Dave

19th April 2013, 15:27

Personal responsibility won't come about until people are made responsible for their actions. As long as excuses are made for them and they continue to get wet bus ticket sentencing, nothing will change.

Nothing will change that way except the poor will get poorer and the criminals will get richer - relative to the risk. Demand will not change. Look how well prohibition of anything has worked historically.

The issue needs to be treated medically not criminally.

ac3_snow

19th April 2013, 15:28

The drugs this particular prospect was caught with would NOT have been intended for his own use.

300g of meth is a shitload! it gets sold in bags of 0.1g for about $100, or 1g for I think somewhere around $600-800. Nearly enough meth to buy a small house.
300g x $600 per gram = $180,000

FJRider

19th April 2013, 15:32

The issue needs to be treated medically not criminally.

For some ... the clinical insertion of lead pills could be a good start.

Banditbandit

19th April 2013, 16:18

You knew what i meant and yes ed is right but who decides on the punishment?
me being a good right wing boy i say stick them against the wall and a good lefty would say they are misunderstood and should have a wet bus ticket and a cuddle.
So it ends up in the middle and is a pointless waste of time so laws are made to keep the majority of the populace happy, content and law abiding.

Bwhahaha ... this good lefty thinks they are misunderstood and a product of bad parenting and a bad society - but fuck that - it's too late - they are fucked up and will never get better .. up against the wall and shoot them ... and then focus on the next generation to see if we can improve things ...

BoristheBiter

19th April 2013, 18:05

Bwhahaha ... this good lefty thinks they are misunderstood and a product of bad parenting and a bad society - but fuck that - it's too late - they are fucked up and will never get better .. up against the wall and shoot them ... and then focus on the next generation to see if we can improve things ...

Na mate still to PC. take out a few generations so they forget completely, no monkeys at all never mind stair climbing ones.

SMOKEU

19th April 2013, 18:22

The drugs this particular prospect was caught with would NOT have been intended for his own use. The thousands of $$$ (and drugs) he was found with ... suggests it was the result of sales of the drug. Which is a whole different ballgame from "Personal use" ... and a whole different range of implications.

Trafficking is frowned on by most countries ... even those with relaxed drug laws.

It shouldn't be any different than liquor stores and supermarkets selling alcohol, which in itself is highly prone to abuse up to the point where other people suffer. Alcohol sellers are well aware that a significant number of their customers are going to abuse the alcohol.

You knew what i meant and yes ed is right but who decides on the punishment?
me being a good right wing boy i say stick them against the wall and a good lefty would say they are misunderstood and should have a wet bus ticket and a cuddle.
So it ends up in the middle and is a pointless waste of time so laws are made to keep the majority of the populace happy, content and law abiding.

We need someone with balls to make these decisions.

Road kill

19th April 2013, 18:40

Sheeeesh I just thought it was funny is all:innocent:

FJRider

19th April 2013, 19:34

It shouldn't be any different than liquor stores and supermarkets selling alcohol, which in itself is highly prone to abuse up to the point where other people suffer. Alcohol sellers are well aware that a significant number of their customers are going to abuse the alcohol.

The key issue is ... that the sale of Alcohol is legal. And is already regulated ... and is facing even heavier legislation.

We need someone with balls to make these decisions.

Who do you suggest ... ??? Please note ... Margret Thatcher is dead at the moment.

But as you believe the NZ drug laws are currently stupid .... the above comment makes you appear to be trying to stand on both sides of the fence.

Your knowledge on the subject of drugs and their penalties seems wanting ... if you need told that being found with 300 grams of Meth would result in more than a simple "possession" charge.