Why do some women give up on their appearance

[PrincessBandit]

Article I found on stuff ( from the Sydney Morning Herald) while reading an article on "tittooing" - itself an interesting topic - and it got me thinking: is that really how older women are perceived in NZ and Australia?
The writer talks about the "man-cut" that us older women seem to wear as a uniform hairstyle making us appear "gender less" and that we slop around in daggy trackies and clothing obviously designed for comfort (emphasis on comfort - translate as frumpy and fugly) rather than making the most of whatever is left of what nature gave us.

They then went on to compare us Antipodean females, generally unfavourably, against our European counterparts who seem to age more gracefully and still take care over their outward appearance (body, clothing, hair etc).

What do you think guys? Who here subscribes to the "it's what's on the inside that makes someone attractive" or perhaps "I'd rather have a woman who can cook me eggs, change the tyre on the car, and mow the lawn than a supermodel who doesn't know what a dishcloth / vacuum cleaner / how to boil an egg etc"

(The article was talking specifically about those of us who are euphemistically no longer spring chickens as opposed to young 'uns who still have youth on their side to enhance their outward appeal. ) As a woman in the 'old chook' category I was a bit miffed by it all but then I am probably a bit biased...

Yes, the heading of this thread is "some" but it was pretty much written as "most, if not all" older women.

[Genie]

For some woman this transformation takes places in their teens. One just needs to go to Countdown or The Warehouse to see evidence of this.

I tend to agree with the writer, many woman over the 45 mark do forget how beautiful they are and slouch around in ick clothes and become quite dowdy.

[Paul in NZ]

Its a very broad subject (ho ho) but seriously.... There are many many reasons and some of them start with the observer. What may seem to you as a person who has given up on appearances may just be having a bad day, driven to it by lack of resources, on the way to the gym, just unblocked the toilet or not actually subscribe to your definition of beauty...

We are all constantly bombarded by images of beautiful people and endlessly encouraged to conform to a media stereotype of 'beauty' but the simple fact is - its a very few who have the right genetic makeup to make that standard. The rest of us are doomed to flounder around as also rans squandering our resources trying to make the cut. Unless of course we actually take charge and march to the beat of our own drum!

Of course if you do that and your own beat is sufficiently different to make you truely 'stand out' be prepared to be heavily criticised and even bullied. This is why media savvy is such an important subject in schools to give yougsters the tools to filter the messages they are bombarded with and make sensible choices...

The trick is to be comfortable in your own skin - be happy with what you have and do what you can withing the bounds of reason to improve yourself (mentally, physically and appearance) as much as you can. Also it helps to just conform enough to have sufficient camoflage to blend a little as it makes life simpler and you can get on with it... But if a certain look rocks your boat - go for it... (heck a neighbour I had once REALLY like big girls - every partner he had would get biggerised and his long term partner told me one day he really liked to feed her up... Hey - she was a good looking girl with it but thats what they both liked - not my thing but always remember, "he who hears not the music thinks the dancers mad."

Funnily enough I was discussing something similar to this with a very slick sales guy a while back. He told me that when he sees a geeky old dude wearing walkshorts and sandals he actually admires them and always thinks 'there goes a guy with more on his mind than what tie to wear today'. I had the feeling he was rather envious...

[oneofsix]

I tend to agree with Paul, and I miss walk shorts on hot summer days. I think they have just grown up and realised getting the pubs shaved for be more attractive to peds or their tit tattooed so they can be like everyone else is just a sell out to the media and commerce. Well groomed but not a slave to fashion.

I reckon that all these females that alter their appearance in the less public areas should publish the pictures to make it worth the effort. :lol: Actually for some it would be :sick: but that is personal choice i guess.

[jellywrestler]

Women should be obscene and not heard

[Akzle]

trackpants are comfortable as hell.

who do women doll up for in the first place? (i have never understood high heels, they're horrible.)

once you answer that, then we can delve into the deep dark realms known as "what women do " and compare with the "what women think", and then "why they think it", and "if monica thinks it too, or not" or "if you should ask cathy if you should ask monica because they had coffee yesterday without you..."


enjoy life. fuck the rest.

[unstuck]

enjoy life. fuck the rest.

Fucken oath. Bout time you posted something useful ya yobbo.:Punk::Punk:

[Banditbandit]

Huh ??? as Paul and Akzle say ... Maybe these women have just learnt that "appearance" is a crock of shit ....

[Katman]

As someone alluded to earlier, it's not usually older women you see in the supermarket in their onesies.

[scissorhands]

I'm a male equivalent. So I started skateboarding. Too hard on knees and ankles for an unfit old bloke, so now need to give it a rest.

I've been looking in the mirror a little more than bugger all, and I still see a smaller me coming

Apathy is rife in enzed, Europe has a different landscape in so many ways. Copenhagen 60% of commuters travel to work by peddly. So your at the lights on your treddly and Danish women wear summer dresses and stuff on their pushies. I would buy a bike

Ponsonby Rd I keep seeing well dressed hot older women on classic olde push bikes... normally a traffic accident waiting to happen though:sweatdrop

NZ is way better than what it was 30 years ago, when travelling abroad one noticed the different cultural mores. Kiwi animal product diets and obesity stats contribute to cultural mores like physical mobilty

[nodrog]

Sounds like you guys got ripped off. I managed to get a hot one that cooks eggs and does dishes, and doesnt have a haircut like a dyke.

[PrincessBandit]

I've never been particularly vain but try to take pride in my appearance (most of the time). Unfortunately as that I am already a member of "that stage of life" club I've discovered that my physical shape got knocked to hell by having kids, then this is a double whammy of middle age and the M word. 'Tis hard to not just feel like giving up when everything takes triple the effort (and time) it used to.

But I'd like to think that I still make the effort for both my own sense of well-being and pride as well as others who have to look at me!

[Paul in NZ]

I've never been particularly vain but try to take pride in my appearance (most of the time). Unfortunately as that I am already a member of "that stage of life" club I've discovered that my physical shape got knocked to hell by having kids, then this is a double whammy of middle age and the M word. 'Tis hard to not just feel like giving up when everything takes triple the effort (and time) it used to.

But I'd like to think that I still make the effort for both my own sense of well-being and pride as well as others who have to look at me!

Jeeze Louise - take a chill pill and go listen to some Carol King...... Your life does not revolve around your appearance.

If you are feeling knocked about - go join a gym and work your arse off. You will feel better about everything and you WILL eventually pull it all back together. Yeah - you aint going to look 16 again but you wont care either.

[James Deuce]

http://www.upworthy.com/2-people-described-the-same-person-to-a-forensic-artist-and-this-is-what-happene?c=upw1

[MIXONE]

Here in Wellington it tends to be the "older" ladies that dress with some style and carry themselves with confidence,a very sexy thing all on it's own.The younger set tend to either dress like cheap whores or wear their pj's.

[SMOKEU]

Sounds like you guys got ripped off. I managed to get a hot one that cooks eggs and does dishes, and doesnt have a haircut like a dyke.

Share her around bro.

[Grizzo]

This is called the wog chick phenomenon.

Beautiful til they hit 40 then it all goes pear shaped. They grow a mustache, back hair and pubes half way up their stomach...and a huge arse of course.
They just stop caring....and shaving:pinch:

[Swoop]

Mature ladies can take care of their appearance.
I'm more concerned with how the young teenage girls actually become part of society. How do they do it? Their focus seems to be on making a mess in their room that a Pakistani rubbish collector, from the poor part of town, would baulk at cleaning up. That and being a bandwidth leech with a shoephone superglued to their palm 24/7.

How (or when) they transform is a complete mystery. The mature ladies are much more sensible.

[Maha]

'Why do some women give up on their appearance'?

For some, perhaps the realisation finally hit that it's a fucking futile waste of time and money.
You know, the ones that have clicked the ''single'' option on Katmans poll.

[SMOKEU]

There's always the brown paper bag option.

[duckonin]

A well groomed person, male/female, is a pleasure to the eye. Look like a tramp you take on that role. You become who you associate with. Take this site for example!!

[scissorhands]

If you go up one tree hill domain or down to the waterfront along tamaki drive its always women exercising, if you see a bloke he's normally with a woman

Must look after those childbearing faculties.

I like how chinese and thai women age, they dont seem to put on as much weight

Off for a $15 thai banquet now, and a wee flirt with the waitress

nom nom

[duckonin]

I've never been particularly vain but try to take pride in my appearance (most of the time). Unfortunately as that I am already a member of "that stage of life" club I've discovered that my physical shape got knocked to hell by having kids, then this is a double whammy of middle age and the M word. 'Tis hard to not just feel like giving up when everything takes triple the effort (and time) it used to.

But I'd like to think that I still make the effort for both my own sense of well-being and pride as well as others who have to look at me!

You are a mum, you are allowed to take on a diff appearance. ;)

[Maha]

A well groomed person, male/female, is a pleasure to the eye. Look like a tramp you take on that role. You become who you associate with. Take this site for example!!

Appearance and this site do have similarities...but it's easy enough to exfoliate/squeeze or ejaculate the cling-ons, in an attempt to preserve one self worth.

[Matariki]

'Why do some women give up on their appearance'?

Because they don't care about how other people physically view them.

I can't say I really care myself either. Yes I make sure that I'm clean and wear clean clothes and clean up after myself, eat relatively healthfully and exercise (mainly for my own well being) and behave civilly. But I don't bother with the latest fashion trends, makeup or any of that stuff. Its superficial in comparison to what's actually important to me (my education, my health, making sure that I'm doing what I can to support myself and my family - dad, mum, brothers and sisters - 9 people in total). The last thing I need is society to dictate how a woman 'ought' to look and behave. I don't have time for that crap and if I did, I would be worrying about something else (such as motorcycles ;)

[Edbear]

You look fine Princess! ;)

[merv]

What is it with the "dyke hair" as already mentioned above?

Sitting at a video conference meeting on Monday and woman next to me at our end starts talking about her haircut to the women at the other end and she's got it real short, then she says she'd hoped it would have been a bit shorter like saying the hairdresser didn't get it right. Me, who at my age is going a bit thin on top, said to her "us guys are envious of you that can grow nice hair so why do you spoil it by cutting it off?" All I got was a blank look from her.

To me the most important thing is a smile and make the most of your assets which with women includes their hair. Unless they are doing the number 3 at home, step into a hairdresser it will cost about the same to look nice as it will to have the "dyke" job so why do it.

[Maha]

''"us guys are envious of you that can grow nice hair so why do you spoil it by cutting it off?" All I got was a blank look from her.''

A blank look Merv?..you say that like you were dissapointed?

I would have said, ''why cultivate on your head what grows wild around your arse''...now that would have got a response!

[unstuck]

Sounds like you guys got ripped off. I managed to get a hot one that cooks eggs and does dishes, and doesnt have a haircut like a dyke.

Me too, getting near 50 and still looks damn fine to me. Swimming and great sex is the key.:Punk::Punk:

[mashman]

Irrespective of what you're wearing, we're picturing you naked. We're not really looking at your face and the only reason we make eye contact is because you're looking at us. Tighter clothing makes it easier, baggy slaggy requires slightly more imagination and in the case of the article, the person either lacks imagination or has been slapped down by too many women who have caught them drooling instead of paying attention to what's being said.

Ditch the war paint and fancy shit.

[caspernz]

Well, I don't often wade into this type of self pity debate...but as a European who moved to NZ the answer is quite simple. This country on the whole eats too much, exercises too little and is rather casual when it comes to dress sense, male and female. Go to, just as an example, Italy, Spain, France, and it seems there's a lot more pride taken in self appearance, in all the aspects that give that result.

Call me whatever you want, but jandals are for the friggin beach when you're on holiday :innocent:. Track pants and ugg boots worn to the supermarket....and let's not even start on the XXXL types who use the drive thru at any FFFJ because they're too lazy to walk inside...

[Edbear]

Me too, getting near 50 and still looks damn fine to me. Swimming and great sex is the key.:Punk::Punk:

Mine is mid-50's and while not the skinny young thing she was 35 years ago when I married her, still looks damn fine! She takes care of herself though. :love:

Me? I'm twice the man she married... :pinch:

[Maha]

Call me whatever you want, but jandals are for the friggin beach when you're on holiday :innocent:.

Have you ever tried walking in the sand wearing jandals?...honestly, bare feet is the only way.
My feet my rules!

[Banditbandit]

Call me whatever you want, but jandals are for the friggin beach when you're on holiday :innocent:.

Fuck Off back to Europe then ... I have three pair of jandals ... a black pair and a brown pair for work (colour co-ordinates with my wardrobe) and a pair for casual ...

Bare feet are for the beech ...

[Berries]

I've never been particularly vain but try to take pride in my appearance (most of the time). Unfortunately as that I am already a member of "that stage of life" club I've discovered that my physical shape got knocked to hell by having kids, then this is a double whammy of middle age and the M word. 'Tis hard to not just feel like giving up when everything takes triple the effort (and time) it used to.

But I'd like to think that I still make the effort for both my own sense of well-being and pride as well as others who have to look at me!
The problem with women after they have had kids and hit middle age and, to be honest, reached their use by date, is that the sense of smell starts to go. That is why old ladies stink of piss.

[bosslady]

I'm pretty ugly without a lick of makeup, some of us need more help than others ;) I don't wear much if any makeup at work though, work with men, don't want them to get excited do we!! Just joking... I do the basics, make sure the places that need not have hair, don't, keep the eyebrows tidy etc. The only thing I got going for me facial wise is my eyes and lips so a bit of mascara and lip gloss doesn't take much. I know when my kids were younger I was a total frumpy mumpy. I'm single though so can't let it all go, have to find me a man and reel him in before I can! ;)

[Akzle]

I've never been particularly vain but try to take pride in my appearance (most of the time). Unfortunately as that I am already a member of "that stage of life" club I've discovered that my physical shape got knocked to hell by having kids, then this is a double whammy of middle age and the M word. 'Tis hard to not just feel like giving up when everything takes triple the effort (and time) it used to.

But I'd like to think that I still make the effort for both my own sense of well-being and pride as well as others who have to look at me!
as long as you're not at the dairy at ten every morning, in your PJs and buying smokes with one kid on your lap and the other tied up outside while the rest "fucked off to school - or something" while sipping bourbon, you're probably passable.

but i think we may require pics to decide for sure. clothes optional.

((you're probably onto it, it's how you hold and conduct yourself - the "pride" that will make more of an impression than your wardrobe. for 90% of men anyway, the other 10% are gay so it doesn't really matter, innit?

and shouldn't womanopause be cause for celebration?? i'd hate to bleed out the crotch. that shit's nasty...))

I'm pretty ugly without a lick of makeup, some of us need more help than others ;) I don't wear much if any makeup at work though, work with men, don't want them to get excited do we!! Just joking... I do the basics, make sure the places that need not have hair, don't, keep the eyebrows tidy etc. The only thing I got going for me facial wise is my eyes and lips so a bit of mascara and lip gloss doesn't take much. I know when my kids were younger I was a total frumpy mumpy. I'm single though so can't let it all go, have to find me a man and reel him in before I can! ;)
and with a bike like that, who wouldn't?

sad that you feel unattractive without "make up" though.

maybe just stop wearing bras? :cool:

[nodrog]

Me too, getting near 50 and still looks damn fine to me. Swimming and great sex is the key.:Punk::Punk:


Mine is mid-50's and while not the skinny young thing she was 35 years ago when I married her, still looks damn fine! She takes care of herself though. :love:

Me? I'm twice the man she married... :pinch:

Fuck come on guys, mines nowhere near that old, you sick bastards!

[bosslady]

Nah bro, these puppettes need a bra fo sho!

[Edbear]

Fuck come on guys, mines nowhere near that old, you sick bastards!

I have two kids in their 30's and my baby is 28. But trust me, older women can be cute and sexy too!

[Kickaha]

Sounds like you guys got ripped off. I managed to get a hot one that cooks eggs and does dishes, and doesnt have a haircut like a dyke.

Bit scrawny though, you need to feed her a bit more than once a day

[FROSTY]

Sounds like you guys got ripped off. I managed to get a hot one that cooks eggs and does dishes, and doesnt have a haircut like a dyke.
You n me both. My wife looks sayxy. She cooks n cleans and works an 8 hour day with me.-AND she loves scuba diving and bike riding.
Best of all she still thinks I look sayxy

[Virago]

...Best of all she still thinks I look sayxy

Awesome. You should treat her to a new guide dog and white stick...

[FJRider]

Article I found on stuff ( from the Sydney Morning Herald) while reading an article on "tittooing" - itself an interesting topic - and it got me thinking: is that really how older women are perceived in NZ and Australia?


For a start ... did your mother ever tell you not to believe everything you read in Newspapers ... ??

And secondly ... never judge all women by the ones you see at Macca's ...

Finally ... at my age ... younger women hold more of an interest for me ...

[FJRider]

Best of all she still thinks I look sayxy

She still has a sense of humor then ...

[Virago]

Is it true that Ford are targeting the new Ford Kuga at women of a certain age...?

[pzkpfw]

"I always look for a woman who has a tattoo. I see a woman with a tattoo, and I'm thinking, okay, here's a gal who's capable of making a decision she'll regret in the future." - Richard Jeni

[Laava]

Much more important to be healthy than look healthy or hot. But a healthy person usually does look healthy, maybe not at first glance, but it definitely shows in their posture and attitude. That is where the attraction is for me personally. Makeup is only good for the first date.
Fashion and clothing appearance has very limited appeal IMO.

[MadDuck]

Much more important to be healthy than look healthy or hot. But a healthy person usually does look healthy, maybe not at first glance, but it definitely shows in their posture and attitude. That is where the attraction is for me personally. Makeup is only good for the first date.
Fashion and clothing appearance has very limited appeal IMO.

Yes.....want a date ;)

[awa355]

Fuck Off back to Europe then ... I have three pair of jandals ... a black pair and a brown pair for work (colour co-ordinates with my wardrobe) and a pair for casual ...

Bare feet are for the beech ...

I'm fashion conscious as well, My jandals match the colour of my singlets ( both of them).

[Laava]

Yes.....want a date ;)

More of a prune man myself-but very flattered!

[pete376403]

To be fair it's nt just (some) women who let themselves go - seen any of the "people of walmart" vids on YouTube?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glMdlVmFL9I

[Grizzo]

Mmmm back boobs. Motor boat central:eek:

[Maha]

More of a prune man myself-but very flattered!

You have had a close look right?....:shifty:

[sidecar bob]

"I always look for a woman who has a tattoo. I see a woman with a tattoo, and I'm thinking, okay, here's a gal who's capable of making a decision she'll regret in the future." - Richard Jeni

Im more likley to think that when I see a promising young lady driving her disqualified unemployed loser boyfriend around, in a tatty old heap with no rego or wof.

[Madness]

Finally ... at my age ... younger women hold more of an interest for me ...

I would have thought it was women with a pulse that hold more of an interest for you.

[FJRider]

I would have thought it was women with a pulse that hold more of an interest for you.

So I'm not allowed to dream ... :cry:

[Laava]

You have had a close look right?....:shifty:

Squatting on a mirror!:sick::sick::sick::sick:

[Coolz]

Finally ... at my age ... younger women hold more of an interest for me ...

You should change your user name to Aqualung.

[_Shrek_]

Sounds like you guys got ripped off. I managed to get a hot one that cooks eggs and does dishes, and doesnt have a haircut like a dyke.

mine cuts fire wood & mows the lawn as well


Me too, getting near 50 and still looks damn fine to me. Swimming and great sex is the key.:Punk::Punk:

aye mine just turned 54 still a size 10 & all the above except the swimming :Punk:

[Subike]

mine cuts fire wood & mows the lawn as well



aye mine just turned 54 still a size 10 & all the above except the swimming :Punk:

You forgot the most important thing Keith. You still love her, and that keeps her wanting to look good for you mate.
:niceone::niceone::niceone:

[_Shrek_]

Fuck come on guys, mines nowhere near that old, you sick bastards!

well you wait till you get there, then you'll relise we having way more fun, :msn-wink:

coz with age comes experience :whistle:

[avgas]

I hate those streechly long pants that my wife wears. It's like a half-arsed attempt to get dressed.
Now don't get me wrong - professionally worn spandex on a fantastic woman looks hot. But these pants aren't that.
Especially when it is a perfect fine day for her to wear a sexy skirt or something.

The best comparison I can compare these pants to is gladwrap. You know how when you go to get lunch, and you see your sandwich wrapped in gladwrap? That feeling you get - you feel ripped off. There is no surprise and to add insult to injury - what was a very nice looking sammy before now just doesn't have that same appeal. Perhaps nothing has changed to the sammy's taste, but when you eat it after seeing it in gladwrap you feel disappointed.

I hate those stretchy pants. fugly things.

[nodrog]

well you wait till you get there, then you'll relise we having way more fun, :msn-wink:

coz with age comes experience :whistle:

I thought the experience came from the hour you spend on Porn Tube, waiting for the blue pills too kick in?

[scissorhands]

They usually end up in rehab or become suicidal around me

[unstuck]

They usually end up in rehab or become suicidal around me

The mother of my oldest son I met in rehab, what a fuckin nightmare.:devil2:

[scissorhands]

So it was you who stole her from me while she was seeking treatment?
Serves you right for preying on the vulnerable:laugh:

[Laava]

I hate those streechly long pants that my wife wears. It's like a half-arsed attempt to get dressed.
Now don't get me wrong - professionally worn spandex on a fantastic woman looks hot. But these pants aren't that.
Especially when it is a perfect fine day for her to wear a sexy skirt or something.

The best comparison I can compare these pants to is gladwrap. You know how when you go to get lunch, and you see your sandwich wrapped in gladwrap? That feeling you get - you feel ripped off. There is no surprise and to add insult to injury - what was a very nice looking sammy before now just doesn't have that same appeal. Perhaps nothing has changed to the sammy's taste, but when you eat it after seeing it in gladwrap you feel disappointed.

I hate those stretchy pants. fugly things.
Nothing wrong with a bit of gladwrap!
http://s424150621.websitehome.co.uk/maclese%20photographic/MACLESE_ONE/cling_film_girl._test,_own_idea_files/T1_J68213_Woman.jpg

[GrayWolf]

''"us guys are envious of you that can grow nice hair so why do you spoil it by cutting it off?" All I got was a blank look from her.''

A blank look Merv?..you say that like you were dissapointed?

I would have said, ''why cultivate on your head what grows wild around your arse''...now that would have got a response!

Take it you're not a back, sack n crack man then Ma?

[Zedder]

[QUOTE=Laava;1130534094]Nothing wrong with a bit of gladwrap!

Heh, that reminds me of the Joe Jackson quote about girls in tight dresses "...like sweets in cellophane".

[GrayWolf]

I hate those streechly long pants that my wife wears. It's like a half-arsed attempt to get dressed.
Now don't get me wrong - professionally worn spandex on a fantastic woman looks hot. But these pants aren't that.
Especially when it is a perfect fine day for her to wear a sexy skirt or something.

The best comparison I can compare these pants to is gladwrap. You know how when you go to get lunch, and you see your sandwich wrapped in gladwrap? That feeling you get - you feel ripped off. There is no surprise and to add insult to injury - what was a very nice looking sammy before now just doesn't have that same appeal. Perhaps nothing has changed to the sammy's taste, but when you eat it after seeing it in gladwrap you feel disappointed.

I hate those stretchy pants. fugly things.

probably similar to how 'She' feels, when she sees you all 'dressed up' (Clean jeans, Clean shirt (ironed), showered, shaved, and actually looking smart in a casual way,,, then when she gets you undressed.... OMG there in all it's glory,,, wrapped up in a pair of the Warehouse's/K-mart's best, Once were white, fly front, baggy, stained, shapeless, worn and holed old man style boxers, she thinks... "you want ME to eat THAT"????

[blue rider]

probably similar to how 'She' feels, when she sees you all 'dressed up' (Clean jeans, Clean shirt (ironed), showered, shaved, and actually looking smart in a casual way,,, then when she gets you undressed.... OMG there in all it's glory,,, wrapped up in a pair of the Warehouse's/K-mart's best, Once were white, fly front, baggy, stained, shapeless, worn and holed old man style boxers, she thinks... "you want ME to eat THAT"????

thank you ......really thank you.

[unstuck]

probably similar to how 'She' feels, when she sees you all 'dressed up' (Clean jeans, Clean shirt (ironed), showered, shaved, and actually looking smart in a casual way,,, then when she gets you undressed.... OMG there in all it's glory,,, wrapped up in a pair of the Warehouse's/K-mart's best, Once were white, fly front, baggy, stained, shapeless, worn and holed old man style boxers, she thinks... "you want ME to eat THAT"????

Sure does work both ways. Heard one fat slobby smelly shearer a couple of weeks ago tell his girlfriend that her arse was getting a bit fat and she should get some excercise, fuckin loser, I told him if he wasnt so fat he could drag his own sheep out of the pen and have heaps more money to waste on piss and pokies. Not much of a sense of humour.:devil2:

[jasonu]

Sounds like you guys got ripped off. I managed to get a hot one that cooks eggs and does dishes, and doesnt have a haircut like a dyke.

But does she own a boat???

[Genie]

But does she own a boat???

No, but she owns a bike and she knows how to ride.

I've been pondering and reading this for a couple of days and it's interesting to note how many males have commented that it does not matter so much how she looks .... yet, it was how she looked that hooked them in the first place.

We are a visual species, some more than others. Each to their own, but, as for me, I shall dress according to my mood. I own but one pair of track pants, many dresses ... dress for friviolity and happiness.

You're a long time dead.

[awayatc]

back on topic though.......

I am a fully qualified tittooist myself.....

dont charge half as much either....

[Winston001]

I've been pondering and reading this for a couple of days and it's interesting to note how many males have commented that it does not matter so much how she looks .... yet, it was how she looked that hooked them in the first place.

We are a visual species ... dress for friviolity and happiness.



Too true.

As much as I wish it were otherwise, people assess each other within minutes of meeting and in seconds if just looking. So what you wear and how you look creates an immediate impression in others. Yes, its shallow and judgemental but for some reason we are all wired that way.

The one thing I do not get is why women crop their hair. Why do you do that?? You pay $70 to a hairdresser so you can look like a guy? The local barber would do that for $15 and quicker. It just doesn't work as being attractive to me.

So many women look like men these days that I have to wonder what possesses them to do that? If this is a triumph of feminism then sadly IMHO the result is a fail.

[PrincessBandit]

Too true.



The one thing I do not get is why women crop their hair. Why do you do that?? ................ It just doesn't work as being attractive to me.

So many women look like men these days that I have to wonder what possesses them to do that? If this is a triumph of feminism then sadly IMHO the result is a fail.

Speaking only for myself, I went for the "pixie" look (another name for the man/dyke look) a few years back, as it was so easy to look after, was wash'n'go, and I've never been one for spending hours on my hair or makeup. I'm waaaaaay too busy to make time for a whole lot of war paint and spray, especially when it wouldn't last; I could spend ages on my "look" only to have to all go pear shaped within an hour or so.
I grew my hair long again after that to try for a more feminine look only to be told by my sister that long hair on older women often looks "witchy" (was her word -true!). I didn't think I looked like a witch, and in fairness she never told me I did. However I suffered during the terrible hot flashes that us women of a certain stage get with almost unbearable sweating and feeling as if I was on fire. Tying up my hair all the time ended up hurting my scalp and giving me headaches.

I left it as long as I could, being determined to not get the middle aged woman uniform haircut but eventually compromised with a shoulder length cut.

I'd actually love to try the bald look as my scalp has no lumps or dents or weird shapes that I can feel but I don't know if I could rock the Sinead O'Connor look...

[Ocean1]

As much as I wish it were otherwise, people assess each other within minutes of meeting and in seconds if just looking.

It works, why change a winning strategy?

No surprise that males see females primarily as desirable or otherwise based on their appearance. What is perhaps surprising it that females categorise females exactly the same way.

[Teflon]

I've never been particularly vain but try to take pride in my appearance (most of the time). Unfortunately as that I am already a member of "that stage of life" club I've discovered that my physical shape got knocked to hell by having kids, then this is a double whammy of middle age and the M word. 'Tis hard to not just feel like giving up when everything takes triple the effort (and time) it used to.

But I'd like to think that I still make the effort for both my own sense of well-being and pride as well as others who have to look at me!

Don't give up! Take a few cycles of HGH.. that will fix ya..

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[Laava]

But does she own a boat???

A motor boat?

[Winston001]

Speaking only for myself, I went for the "pixie" look (another name for the man/dyke look) a few years back...

I grew my hair long again after that to try for a more feminine look only to be told by my sister that long hair on older women often looks "witchy"

don't know if I could rock the Sinead O'Connor look...

LOL understood. Don't worry, there isn't one rule to rule them all.

Noelle McCarthy is an attractive women. Here she is with should length hair, and with a crop. I cannot for the life of me understand why she chooses a chop. It is far too masculine for a normally attractive woman.

https://www.google.co.nz/search?rlz=&q=noelle+mccarthy&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=0mtyUa_FDqS9iAfI3YHoDw&biw=981&bih=485&sei=5m1yUaKNG4SvlQXP0IDoAw#um=1&hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=noelle+mccarthy+&oq=noelle+mccarthy+&gs_l=img.12..0i24l10.1755.2569.8.8162.6.6.0.0.0.0. 269.685.2j3j1.6.0...0.0...1c.1.9.img.OIbAmkc8M7g&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45512109,d.dGI&fp=86f1c6d0db9614b3&biw=981&bih=485&imgrc=6vIrg7ocCKNyzM%3A%3BisSCAEzIgqXHqM%3Bhttp%3A %2F%2Fjohnsonlaird.com%2Fassets%2Fimages%2F1514%2F 1514_profile1_lg.jpg%3Bhttp%3A%2F%2Fjosephernest.b logspot.com%2F2011_04_01_archive.html%3B500%3B500

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=noelle+mccarthy&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=0mtyUa_FDqS9iAfI3YHoDw&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=981&bih=485#imgrc=vJnpLIQSRsqWbM%3A%3BYUQNZuBDL4Gi4M%3 Bhttp%3A%2F%2Fcache.tcm.ie%2Fmedia%2Fimages%2Fi%2F ImNoelleWeekend.jpg%3Bhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishexamin er.com%2Fopinion%2Fcolumnists%2Faida-austin%2Fim-noelle-and-im-a-bad-runner-202988.html%3B300%3B160

And here is Noelle as a blonde:

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=noelle+mccarthy&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=0mtyUa_FDqS9iAfI3YHoDw&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=981&bih=485#tbm=isch&sa=1&q=noelle+mccarthy+blonde&oq=noelle+mccarthy+blonde&gs_l=img.12...37392.39873.0.41928.7.7.0.0.0.0.450. 1669.1j1j4j0j1.7.0...0.0...1c.1.9.img.DVPtHHQ0I78&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45512109,d.aGc&fp=86f1c6d0db9614b3&biw=981&bih=485&imgrc=KW853f-BmCB2EM%3A%3B6Tm43QsdXWYGnM%3Bhttp%3A%2F%2Fcache.t cm.ie%2Fmedia%2Fimages%2Fm%2FMyBlondeJune1_large.j pg%3Bhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishexaminer.com%2Flifestyl e%2Ffashionandbeauty%2Ffeatures%2Fmy-blonde-ambition-195950.html%3B600%3B325

[Genestho]

Interesting! Who knows why, and as long as they're happy and all that.

We're wired to be attracted by our counter parts, I think appearance which may also translate to hygiene, is important, is appearance not how we're attracted to someone in most instances?

Although, there are cases where someone can become attractive where you didn't think they were.
Good married friends of mine have a mutual agreement that if one or the other gets obese, they're on their own, fair call I reckon. But they won't, because they care enough to stay attractive to each other.
That there's not just self respect but, mutual respect and keeping the fire ignited!

Personally, I couldn't live my life out as a slob but I'm not high maintenance either, as Genie says - you're a long time dead and when I go, my GF's know to bury me in heels. :love:

[MIXONE]

I thought the experience came from the hour you spend on Porn Tube, waiting for the blue pills too kick in?

I call it foreplay.

[Ocean1]

Speaking only for myself, I went for the "pixie" look (another name for the man/dyke look) a few years back.

...and did the movie work pay OK?


http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8577037/Man-sent-to-jail-for-watching-pixie-sex

[Goblin]

Interesting! Who knows why, and as long as they're happy and all that.

Good married friends of mine have a mutual agreement that if one or the other gets obese, they're on their own, fair call I reckon. But they won't, because they care enough to stay attractive to each other.
That there's not just self respect but, mutual respect and keeping the fire ignited!

:love:A bit like this?

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[Genestho]

A bit like this?

Moral of the story is;
Desire is important.
So watch your weight It'll keep your mate smitten, it's a given.

And this....('cause it's a little bit funny and slightly relevant, but not? Teehee :D..) http://cdn.roflzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Guide-to-Man-B-bs.jpg

[Katman]

I'd actually love to try the bald look as my scalp has no lumps or dents or weird shapes that I can feel but I don't know if I could rock the Sinead O'Connor look...

Only one way to find out.

(You do know it grows back, don't you?)

[Laava]

I have recently discovered that I have a talent for shaving ladies heads. I am happy to oblige PB.

[blue rider]

Too true.

As much as I wish it were otherwise, people assess each other within minutes of meeting and in seconds if just looking. So what you wear and how you look creates an immediate impression in others. Yes, its shallow and judgemental but for some reason we are all wired that way.

The one thing I do not get is why women crop their hair. Why do you do that?? You pay $70 to a hairdresser so you can look like a guy? The local barber would do that for $15 and quicker. It just doesn't work as being attractive to me.

So many women look like men these days that I have to wonder what possesses them to do that? If this is a triumph of feminism then sadly IMHO the result is a fail.


in my days i sported, mohak, shaved, 5 cents army style , red, yellow blue etc .etc......now i am back to natural and long, until the day i will cut it again.

soap and conditioner, gets all tangeld up, will never really do what it is supposed to etc etc.

and yes, when i have very short hair, i have been going to the barber......the best one was in NY, all black kids and one white women needing a shave...twas fun! and they only charged $5.

As for women looking like men? Scuse me, you mean they are wearing trousers? and flat shoes? and have a stylish short haircut? and no makeup?
You mean they are committing the unbearable sin of not wearing a dress, high heels and full make up at any time to please some random geezer who has got ideas about feminity dating straight back to the fifties?

sorry, a lot of us women folks just can't be arsed anymore to go spend huge amounts of money to please some ficitional male stereotype.
However, a lot of us will pull the full repertoire to please one of the geezers.....just because we can :devil2:

[Maha]

I have recently discovered that I have a talent for shaving ladies heads. I am happy to oblige PB.

Use some baby oil Al..Jo will love you even more....rub very very slowly :niceone:

[Laava]

Use some baby oil Al..Jo will love you even more....rub very very slowly :niceone:

Just to be clear, we talking about her head or mine?:msn-wink:

[avgas]

probably similar to how 'She' feels, when she sees you all 'dressed up' (Clean jeans, Clean shirt (ironed), showered, shaved, and actually looking smart in a casual way,,, then when she gets you undressed.... OMG there in all it's glory,,, wrapped up in a pair of the Warehouse's/K-mart's best, Once were white, fly front, baggy, stained, shapeless, worn and holed old man style boxers, she thinks... "you want ME to eat THAT"????
Nah that is more like Subway.
Eat fresh.

(insert footlong joke here)

[Winston001]

As for women looking like men? Scuse me, you mean they are wearing trousers? and flat shoes? and have a stylish short haircut? and no makeup?

....to please some random geezer who has got ideas about feminity dating straight back to the fifties?

sorry, a lot of us women folks just can't be arsed

And that is fine, women are entitled to make their choices.

However please do not delude yourself: men desire femininity in women and have done for aeons. The concept has nothing to do with the 1950s or the 1850s. It is about physical attractiveness and women understand that far better than men.

Most women do appear to take the time to present themselves as attractively as possible. In fact I'd say that is tougher to do today than 40 years ago given the thin images of models and popular celebrities we are exposed to daily.

Short hair works on some women but generally there is a risk of an asexual look. But hair just touching the shoulders is not long or hard to maintain and is a signature of being feminine.

[Edbear]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :love:

[Paul in NZ]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :love:

Oh is THAT where it is - no wonder I cant find it....

Miss Vicki is getting to the 'I wonder if I should stop dying my hair and go grey?' point. ie there has been some discussion and a strong NO from the daughters.... (which will possibly prompt a 50 shades of grey event - no not that one)

I understand where she is coming from - we have a few 'artistic - mother earthy' friends who look stunning with grey tones in their hair. But on the otherhand I know where she is coming from in that she does NOT want that washed out dried up 'witchy' look ;-(

Its a tough question...

One thing that astounded me as the father of 3 girls was how few women have ever been shown how to put on makeup properly. If you are concerned about your significant others look then a gift voucher to a demonstration day at the over priced pharmacy isnt a bad idea. Usually there is the value of the ticket in product (at RRP) but it makes life easier having a formula to follow...

[Swoop]

To be fair it's nt just (some) women who let themselves go - seen any of the "people of walmart" vids on YouTube?

The other day I was blocked by a woman on the escalator in a Westfield Mall.
The back-boobs were just massive and going by the strain on the brastrap (low cut dress to show off those "curves" seemed to be her thought of the day) it must have been using alien technology to resist the strain put on it.

I couldn't decide if I should phone Greenpeace or simply get to the fishing section of the mall and try to find a speargun large enough to harpoon it.

[Banditbandit]

The mother of my oldest son I met in rehab, what a fuckin nightmare.:devil2:

Bwhahahaha .. didn't anyone warn you about women in rehab ... The number of gorgeous but fucked up women I've seen in Hamner Springs ....

[Paul in NZ]

The number of gorgeous but fucked up women I've seen in Hamner Springs ....

And thats just the wealthy ones with holiday homes

[Banditbandit]

I'd actually love to try the bald look as my scalp has no lumps or dents or weird shapes that I can feel but I don't know if I could rock the Sinead O'Connor look...

IMHO .. that can be one of the sexiest look on a woman ...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oZ2rkKuj8OU/Txc3en1CT0I/AAAAAAAAAZM/tlGpZVK-9YY/s1600/l34708b180001_1_17651.jpg

[blue rider]

And that is fine, women are entitled to make their choices.

However please do not delude yourself: men desire femininity in women and have done for aeons. The concept has nothing to do with the 1950s or the 1850s. It is about physical attractiveness and women understand that far better than men.

Most women do appear to take the time to present themselves as attractively as possible. In fact I'd say that is tougher to do today than 40 years ago given the thin images of models and popular celebrities we are exposed to daily.

Short hair works on some women but generally there is a risk of an asexual look. But hair just touching the shoulders is not long or hard to maintain and is a signature of being feminine.


First, let me thank you for accepting the novel idea that women are ENTITLED to make their own choices. This is very generous of you, and I can only imagen that it would have taken you some time to come to the decision, that truly Females are full human beings able to decide their lifes. I know it was only yesterday when women of all ages were either property of their fathers or their husbands, and in absence of a husband, could choose life in convent.

Being a women in the first place is a sign of the feminine, just as being a man is a sign of being the masculine. One can discuss that some people have a bit more of the one or the other....but in general it is what it is. (disclaimer: this statment has got nothing to do with sexual attraction and orientation.)

You might have a belive that a women with short hair might risk an asexual look, and she might not appear be sexually attractive to you.....shit happens, most females on this planet will get up in the morning and NOT think oh what outfit, hairdo and shoes would Winston001 find sexually attractive. If you have one that will always get up in the morning and dress to please you, you should consider yourself lucky.

These articles about women not looking after themselves, or looking to much after themselves, or being to butch, or to whiney and needy....should all be thrown into the gutter. Shame on women for being to attractive, not attractive enough, to sexual, not sexual enough, to thin, not thin enough.....WTF? Really? WTF.

[blue rider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOhBlCuKSBQ

the movie was crap, but Demi Moore shaving her head.....priceless.

[Edbear]

First, let me thank you for accepting the novel idea that women are ENTITLED to make their own choices. This is very generous of you, and I can only imagen that it would have taken you some time to come to the decision, that truly Females are full human beings able to decide their lifes. I know it was only yesterday when women of all ages were either property of their fathers or their husbands, and in absence of a husband, could choose life in convent.

Being a women in the first place is a sign of the feminine, just as being a man is a sign of being the masculine. One can discuss that some people have a bit more of the one or the other....but in general it is what it is. (disclaimer: this statment has got nothing to do with sexual attraction and orientation.)

You might have a belive that a women with short hair might risk an asexual look, and she might not appear be sexually attractive to you.....shit happens, most females on this planet will get up in the morning and NOT think oh what outfit, hairdo and shoes would Winston001 find sexually attractive. If you have one that will always get up in the morning and dress to please you, you should consider yourself lucky.

These articles about women not looking after themselves, or looking to much after themselves, or being to butch, or to whiney and needy....should all be thrown into the gutter. Shame on women for being to attractive, not attractive enough, to sexual, not sexual enough, to thin, not thin enough.....WTF? Really? WTF.

It's "too" in this case... :rolleyes:

[avgas]

Something has changed in KB. Many moons ago this thread would have ended up with:
a) Asians
b) nice looking boobs
or
c) Women painting roofs

Instead all we have is shaved heads and man-boobs.

What the fuck happened KB? What the fuck happened?

[Stirts]

Something has changed in KB. Many moons ago this thread would have ended up with:
a) Asians
b) nice looking boobs
or
c) Women painting roofs

What about asian with nice butt-crack on a roof?

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I see an infraction in my future

[Winston001]

First, let me thank you for accepting the novel idea that women are ENTITLED to make their own choices. This is very generous of you, and I can only imagine that it would have taken you some time to come to the decision...

...most females on this planet will get up in the morning and NOT think oh what outfit, hairdo and shoes would Winston001 find sexually attractive

SOB it's true.


These articles about women not looking after themselves, or looking to much after themselves, or being to butch, or to whiney and needy....should all be thrown into the gutter. Shame on women for being to attractive, not attractive enough, to sexual, not sexual enough, to thin, not thin enough.....WTF? Really? WTF.

Cool. No problem. I hesitated about joining this thread because of its potential to degrade into the personal. I unreservedly apologise for any offense. One of my ethical rules is not to insult others.

[FJRider]

Cool. No problem. I hesitated about joining this thread because of its potential to degrade into the personal. I unreservedly apologise for any offense. One of my ethical rules is not to insult others.

It only degrades into the personal ... when somebody takes it personally.

There are many in these forums that delight in taking it personally .... which results in it having the opposite effect. But they fail to see that ...

The few times I've met you is enough to know ... no intention to insult personally exists. Sadly ... not enough people have been lucky enough to have met you.

You must get out more .. :laugh:

[avgas]

Cool. No problem. I hesitated about joining this thread because of its potential to degrade into the personal. I unreservedly apologise for any offense. One of my ethical rules is not to insult others.
But the real question is if you grew boobs that were super hot would you support them in an expensive bra so that they stayed sexy looking?

Now ask yourself which one of us is off topic

[oneofsix]

But the real question is if you grew boobs that were super hot would you support them in an expensive bra so that they stayed sexy looking?

Now ask yourself which one of us is off topic

Interesting question as in the last week some French Scientist has concluded that bras have to the opposite affect and weaken the boobs causing them to sag. http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/wellbeing/8551508/Bras-are-useless-claims-French-doctor

The scientist was a male and got to inspect a lots of boobs up close and personal. Now the hell do you get a job like that? Talk about the best job in the world. Bloody frogs. :shifty:

[leathel]

Interesting question as in the last week some French Scientist has concluded that bras have to the opposite affect and weaken the boobs causing them to sag. http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/wellbeing/8551508/Bras-are-useless-claims-French-doctor

The scientist was a male and got to inspect a lots of boobs up close and personal. Now the hell do you get a job like that? Talk about the best job in the world. Bloody frogs. :shifty:


Great news.... I love the jean and T shirt look with no bra :D

Seriously though I don't care to much is someone is totaly dolled up, Just clean and tidy with a smile

Grey track pants dont do it for me and neither does going to the shops in yah PJ's.... there is a limit to what even I would wear to town :rolleyes:

[FJRider]

Great news.... I love the jean and T shirt look with no bra :D



Even better news ... you ... can wear it in public with no fear of prosecution ...

[avgas]

Interesting question as in the last week some French Scientist has concluded that bras have to the opposite affect and weaken the boobs causing them to sag. http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/wellbeing/8551508/Bras-are-useless-claims-French-doctor
The french women now wear bra's????!!!???
When did that happen?

[avgas]

Even better news ... you ... can wear it in public with no fear of prosecution ...
or prostitution

[FJRider]

or prostitution

I do believe that is still legal.