Censorship limits

[awa355]

Geez! even watching cartoons can land you in jail. :Police:

I guess the little people at the end of the garden path are for real. :no:


http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8577037/Man-sent-to-jail-for-watching-pixie-sex

Does this mean watching Homer and Jessica Simpson is illegal as well??

[gammaguy]

Oh well at least I can watch spongebob tightpants

[oneofsix]

Oh well at least I can watch spongebob tightpants

Are you sure about that? He is obviously underaged and the show starts with him in is undies, and you seem to have a particular attraction to him.

:corn:

[Scuba_Steve]

My question is how could they determine "they were clearly young pixies & elves"? Do these people know the life cycles & ageing of pixies & elves?

[oneofsix]

According to Tolkin Elves live for hundreds of years so does an 18 year old elf look similar to say a 10 year old human or do they age as per a human until adulthood and then just not age any further?
This is a case of the thought police flexing their powers.

[mashman]

:killingme ... them "sensor" mutha fuckers are away with the fairies and are just protecting their own kind

[Banditbandit]

Given that Ronald Clark has a conviction for kiddie fiddling, I think it was an appropriate action ...

If he continued with his kiddie fucking activities how many of you would scream "why didn't someone do something" ... well they have done something and now you are screaming they shouldn't have ???

[oneofsix]

Given that Ronald Clark has a conviction for kiddie fiddling, I think it was an appropriate action ...

If he continued with his kiddie fucking activities how many of you would scream "why didn't someone do something" ... well they have done something and now you are screaming they shouldn't have ???

Or alternatively these are fantasy creatures that aren't confused with real kids therefore he had found a harmless fantasy world as an outlet for his deviant ways, the pixies where keeping him and the human kids safe. He could have chosen the Japanese kiddie rape porn cartoons, then I would have had a real problem, but he didn't so it seems he was trying to control himself and the cartoon were over 3 years old.


How much further do you have to go to start convicting MotoGP viewers of speeding? :corn:

[Banditbandit]

the cartoon were over 3 years old.




Bwhahaha .. you think the cartoon had passed an "age of consent" ???

[oneofsix]

Bwhahaha .. you think the cartoon had passed an "age of consent" ???

:laugh: no he had had them for over 3 years, which indicates he wasn't actively downloading the stuff.

[Banditbandit]

:laugh: no he had had them for over 3 years, which indicates he wasn't actively downloading the stuff.

Yeah .. I do get that .. but research shows that if these people continue to watch this type of material they do reoffend eventually ..
I think it was a good preemptive strike ..

[HenryDorsetCase]

Given that Ronald Clark has a conviction for kiddie fiddling, I think it was an appropriate action ...

If he continued with his kiddie fucking activities how many of you would scream "why didn't someone do something" ... well they have done something and now you are screaming they shouldn't have ???

What if wanking himself silly to hentai pr0n was the one thing that stopped him fiddling with kids again?

(just to put up a counter argument)

[Banditbandit]

What if wanking himself silly to hentai pr0n was the one thing that stopped him fiddling with kids again?

(just to put up a counter argument)

Because it doesn't end there .. eventually wanking is not enough ... just as it is not enough for "normal" (used guardedly) peopel either ... once you know the real thing the substitute is never enough .. people try to make fantasy reality ..

[oneofsix]

Because it doesn't end there .. eventually wanking is not enough ... just as it is not enough for "normal" (used guardedly) peopel either ... once you know the real thing the substitute is never enough .. people try to make fantasy reality ..

But that is like saying playing metal gear doesn't end there. Because violent people play violent games doesn't mean violent games make people violent. Likewise viewing of fantasy porn doesn't mean he was going out to have sex with pixies, the viewing could have been keeping the pixies safe, it might have been enough to calm him down.
You can't go imprisoning people because they watched something, FFS we would probably all be in prison for having watch a program that had a murder in it, even Shortie St has therefore convicted people of murder on the basis of this case.
:eek:

[Banditbandit]

But that is like saying playing metal gear doesn't end there. Because violent people play violent games doesn't mean violent games make people violent. Likewise viewing of fantasy porn doesn't mean he was going out to have sex with pixies, the viewing could have been keeping the pixies safe, it might have been enough to calm him down.
You can't go imprisoning people because they watched something, FFS we would probably all be in prison for having watch a program that had a murder in it, even Shortie St has therefore convicted people of murder on the basis of this case.
:eek:

Yeah ... Naaa bro ... there is a strong link between watching kiddie porn and kiddie fucking ... there is not a strong link between violent TV and actual real physical violence ... there is also a strong link between watching rape porn and actual rape ...

I do get what you are saying - but sex drives are sort of different ... we are all "victims" of them .. we are all subject to our sex drives (unless someone is a true asexual person - and they do exist) ...

This was a good preemptive strike !!!

[oneofsix]

Yeah ... Naaa bro ... there is a strong link between watching kiddie porn and kiddie fucking ... there is not a strong link between violent TV and actual real physical violence ... there is also a strong link between watching rape porn and actual rape ...

I do get what you are saying - but sex drives are sort of different ... we are all "victims" of them .. we are all subject to our sex drives (unless someone is a true asexual person - and they do exist) ...

This was a good preemptive strike !!!

I wonder about the strength of that link. When kiddie fiddlers are caught they will often be caught with the related porn, but who is going to admit to having watched sick stuff if they haven't been caught for the act? Therefore how do we know there are not more people out there that have watched the likes of pixie porn cartoons and haven't had any desire to kiddie fiddle?

Sex drives are different because we talk about everything else normally but sex is either not talked about or has to be sleazy and therefore easier to pervert. But it hasn't always been like that and it isn't like that in all societies but seems to be an issue common to Western and Islamic societies.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yeah ... Naaa bro ... there is a strong link between watching kiddie porn and kiddie fucking ... there is not a strong link between violent TV and actual real physical violence ... there is also a strong link between watching rape porn and actual rape ...

I do get what you are saying - but sex drives are sort of different ... we are all "victims" of them .. we are all subject to our sex drives (unless someone is a true asexual person - and they do exist) ...

This was a good preemptive strike !!!

I am conflicted. It is interesting that they got the Lincoln Uni lecturer who is the world expert in video game violence to comment... he basically says "its a long bow to draw" or something. I also disagree that we are all subject to our sex drives. You make it sound like we are mindless slaves to them. Not true. For me, the key difference is thinking, vs acting. For example, I might think about the hot girls at the gym (all early 20's) but no way am I going to act on those thoughts. Normal people dont. Similarly I very much wanted to kill someone at the weekend (I shouldn't drive a car) but I didnt act on it.

And thats the difference here, I suspect: the guy was not normal. He was a kiddie fiddler, so IN HIS CASE there is a link between thought and action. What we are punishing is poor impulse control (arguably).

I personally do not like the "thought police" aspect of this. I also think it arguable that this sort of stuff is not "injurious to the public good" to quote from the act. Because on that test, what isn't? Lady Chatterley's Lover? Portnoy's Complaint?

Fifty shades of Grey?


Basically if we are to face state sanction, I think it should be for what we do, not what we think. And as long as numbnuts didnt cross the line (and it is not apparent from that report that he had) then I think the conviction unsound. One of my colleagues said he thought it was a sitter for appeal, too.

But I am also not comfortable arguing for the rights of a convicted kiddie fiddler, even historic.

[oneofsix]

Basically if we are to face state sanction, I think it should be for what we do, not what we think. And as long as numbnuts didnt cross the line (and it is not apparent from that report that he had) then I think the conviction unsound. One of my colleagues said he thought it was a sitter for appeal, too.

But I am also not comfortable arguing for the rights of a convicted kiddie fiddler, even historic.

Agree with that, especially the last line.

Not sure where I would be if it had been the cartoon version of kiddie porn, as no actual kids are harmed in its production (to paraphrase Hollywood) but you would have to be a sick puppy to go there. But pixies and elves puts it into unreal world, and extra level of disassociation.

Umm the hotties at the gym :drool: a reason to go back. Everyone needs to see beauty :innocent:

[Scuba_Steve]

Yeah .. I do get that .. but research shows that if these people continue to watch this type of material they do reoffend eventually ..
I think it was a good preemptive strike ..


Yeah ... Naaa bro ... there is a strong link between watching kiddie porn and kiddie fucking ... there is not a strong link between violent TV and actual real physical violence ... there is also a strong link between watching rape porn and actual rape ...

I do get what you are saying - but sex drives are sort of different ... we are all "victims" of them .. we are all subject to our sex drives (unless someone is a true asexual person - and they do exist) ...

This was a good preemptive strike !!!


I'm not sure what research you're referring too??? But I do know most research into rape porn & rapists showed rape porn decreased the likelihood of offending as most only wanted the fantasy; Those that would still offend, were going to regardless... Pretty much the same as they found with violent video games & real violence, the artificial satisfies most peoples urges the rest can't be helped.

Should we start jailing teenage drinkers because they might start weed? & maybee we should jail weed smokers because they could move to P, & hell why we're at it why not hand out 10 speeding fines with every new licence... Would be a good preemptive strike, wouldn't it?

[awa355]

If you or I (without a conviction), had been watching these cartoons, would the porn police have considered this matter in the same way?

If some red neck hillbilly with a conviction for beastality watches the rooster humping the chooks, does that mean he's breaching censorship laws?
( he would probably class that as 'educational' ).

[mashman]

Yeah ... Naaa bro ... there is a strong link between watching kiddie porn and kiddie fucking ... there is not a strong link between violent TV and actual real physical violence ... there is also a strong link between watching rape porn and actual rape ...

I do get what you are saying - but sex drives are sort of different ... we are all "victims" of them .. we are all subject to our sex drives (unless someone is a true asexual person - and they do exist) ...

This was a good preemptive strike !!!

So an ex-alcoholic will always return to alcohol? People who have raped someone will always go on to rape someone else? ad infinitum. If we were really that concerned with their risk, why are they out on the streets again? After all, it doesn't take much much to grab someone and do what you want to to should you be that way inclined and you can't be watched 24/7. Is it possible for every re-offender that there are more ex-offenders? Not excusing it, but I'm kinda with one of HDC's comments in regards to the fairy porn hitting his spot.

[Road kill]

This is scary shit.

The fact you lot are even entertaining this shit is proof of how easy it is for the powers that be to talk you into damn near anything with just a little bit of the right bait.

I can see it in the future.
So you sold yourselves for cartoon pixie sex ,,,,well fuck me.

[scissorhands]

:killingme ... them "sensor" mutha fuckers are away with the fairies and are just protecting their own kind

dont bring me or my mates into this argument, we are asexual:grouphug:

[Banditbandit]

So you sold yourselves for cartoon pixie sex ,,,,well fuck me.

Why??? Are you a pixie ... ????

[HenryDorsetCase]

Why??? Are you a pixie ... ????

and if so..... how much?

[Banditbandit]

This is scary shit.

The fact you lot are even entertaining this shit is proof of how easy it is for the powers that be to talk you into damn near anything with just a little bit of the right bait.


Bwhahahah a.. In case you hadn't noticed - I am so anti "the powers that be" as to make it impossible for them to talk me into anything ..

I happen to believe there is no excuse for kiddie fiddling, kiddie fucking or anything else to do with perverts and children and I would quite happily shoot them all to stop them hurting any more children ...

I also happen to believe that innocent children do not become kiddie fuckers by accident - and there are reasons for their behaviour ... and we shoudl be lookig at those reasons and finding ways to stop it ... but once they are kiddie fuckers it is too late - shoot them .. and shooting them goes some way to stopping it - victims become abusers ... shooting abusers means they create no more victims ...

[Banditbandit]

I also disagree that we are all subject to our sex drives. You make it sound like we are mindless slaves to them. Not true. For me, the key difference is thinking, vs acting. For example, I might think about the hot girls at the gym (all early 20's) but no way am I going to act on those thoughts. Normal people dont. Similarly I very much wanted to kill someone at the weekend (I shouldn't drive a car) but I didnt act on it.



Not quite what I mean ... xclose .. but let me add a ltitle more

Sex drives are deeply biological (unlike the need for a new DVD player, a new motorcycle, etc etc ... if they were not then humans would have probably died out years ago) We become attracted to the opposite sex around puberty - if we live in good happy healthy environments then the chances of our developing normal healthy attractions is high (don't go off on the gay tangent ... by normal healthy attractions here I mean between consenting adults ...)

But sometimes things go wrong and people develop attractions to children (or animals or even associate sex with volence - rape, torture etc etc) ... if these attractions result in climax (orgasm) then the attraction can be pretty much fixed on the "abnormal" subjects ... (orgasm is a huge part of the drive and is a major physical incentive for sex) ... Whether these people act on their attractions or not is, as you say, up to them ... the problem is that some do ... enough do to become a problem.

The liberal answer is to put them in sex offenders units and try to teach them to not act on their desires ... I happen to think that is a waste of time .. just shoot them ... gaurantees they won't hurt anyone else ... (I might be persuaded that one offence and they get treatment - two offenses and they could be allowed one mistake - three offences and they are dead !!!)

[Scuba_Steve]

Here's a question, he's in jail because of the assumed youngness of fictional characters & having said content on his PC. Why then is Romeo & Juliet held in such high regard? Should this book not be banned & all whom possess it jailed? After all Romeo & Juliet is a love story of a "kiddy fiddler"

[Banditbandit]

Here's a question, he's in jail because of the assumed youngness of fictional characters & having said content on his PC. Why then is Romeo & Juliet held in such high regard? Should this book not be banned & all whom possess it jailed? After all Romeo & Juliet is a love story of a "kiddy fiddler"

Naa ... that's only underage sex ... Romeo is not older than our current age of consent ... both were older than the age of consent in the times that they supposedly lived ... but both would be tyounger than our current agoe of consent ...

But there's much worse in Shakespeare (and Chaucer . etc etc ... ) Not to mention the Bible ... Even Mary was a girl who had not reached menarche (the actual Aramaic word that has been wrongly translated as "virgin" means a girl who has not had her first period ...) and how manys days old was Eve when she gave birth ???

[oneofsix]

Bwhahahah a.. In case you hadn't noticed - I am so anti "the powers that be" as to make it impossible for them to talk me into anything ..

I happen to believe there is no excuse for kiddie fiddling, kiddie fucking or anything else to do with perverts and children and I would quite happily shoot them all to stop them hurting any more children ...

I also happen to believe that innocent children do not become kiddie fuckers by accident - and there are reasons for their behaviour ... and we shoudl be lookig at those reasons and finding ways to stop it ... but once they are kiddie fuckers it is too late - shoot them .. and shooting them goes some way to stopping it - victims become abusers ... shooting abusers means they create no more victims ...

Not impossible. By associating fictional pixie sex with kiddie fiddling "the powers that be" have got you to agree to their censorship of cartoons and the imprisonment of someone because they still had some old cartoons.
If they had of imprisoned him because he was caught hanging around primary schools and "grooming" children then fine, but for doubtful artwork :no: I do hope there is more to this case than cartoons or we have another Dot Com "the powers that be" lynch mob.

[awa355]

Here's something from the Dept of Internal Affairs,

1933 Minimum Age of Marriage raised to 16 years.
Prior to this it was -
14 years for males
12 years for females.


Nowadays bonking your neighbours 14yr daughter would get you locked up. Back then it could get you walking up the aisle with a shotgun in your back. ( maybe). This was probably an archaic law even back then.

Queen victoria signed off a law outlawing homosexuality. She refused to sign a similar law about lesbian because it 'didn't exist' according to her.

Now both are legal.

Censorship seems to be whatever society in general deems immoral at the time.

[MSTRS]

Censorship seems to be whatever society in general deems immoral at the time.

Exactly. Travel back to ancient Greece for a few eye-openers...

[Banditbandit]

Interesting points ..


Not impossible. By associating fictional pixie sex with kiddie fiddling "the powers that be" have got you to agree to their censorship of cartoons and the imprisonment of someone because they still had some old cartoons.

I see your point .. but this happens to be porn cartoons, not kiddie friendly cartoons ... the age of the cartoons does not matter .. porn is porn ... pixies and elves, etc are associated with childhood - so there is a link between sex and young children ... and I'll bet these pixies look pretty young ...

And we agree to censorship all the time ... that's why we have age ratings on movies ... and would you let your children watch X-rated movies?



If they had of imprisoned him because he was caught hanging around primary schools and "grooming" children then fine, but for doubtful artwork :no: I do hope there is more to this case than cartoons or we have another Dot Com "the powers that be" lynch mob.

He's a convicted kiddie fiddler ... no-one is seriously goig to defend him ... let alone form a lynch mob ... ecxcept maybe his next victinms and half of KB if he offends again ..

Our pixie-loving children are safer with him where he is ...

[Banditbandit]

Exactly. Travel back to ancient Greece for a few eye-openers...

Yeah .. naked atheletes at the Olympics .. I wish ... (not to mention naked wrestling)

http://synthesis.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/allisonstokke1.jpg

[MSTRS]

Didn't pick you as being into naked men?
Because only men were allowed. Maybe naked to prove they were men?

[Scuba_Steve]

Interesting points ..
I see your point .. but this happens to be porn cartoons, not kiddie friendly cartoons ... the age of the cartoons does not matter .. porn is porn ... pixies and elves, etc are associated with childhood - so there is a link between sex and young children ... and I'll bet these pixies look pretty young ...

And we agree to censorship all the time ... that's why we have age ratings on movies ... and would you let your children watch X-rated movies?

He's a convicted kiddie fiddler ... no-one is seriously goig to defend him ... let alone form a lynch mob ... ecxcept maybe his next victinms and half of KB if he offends again ..

Our pixie-loving children are safer with him where he is ...


I don't agree to censorship, it gets forced upon me!

Also are the "pixie-loving children" now safer in the long run? Think about it if you're gonna be convicted at the same extent for a fantasy as you will be for the real thing which would you choose next you "offend"? would you rather watch someone (lets say) wheelie down the street or do it yourself if the conviction for both is the same?
So are kids really safer now once he gets out knowing he's fucked to the same extent regardless of how he satisfies his fantasy?

[mashman]

dont bring me or my mates into this argument, we are asexual:grouphug:

well they're looking after you, you should be grateful... and I thought you guys wuz the furries.

[tigertim20]

For the cops to pursue charges over something like that, you'd think maybe there was something we haven't been told.
Like maybe there were other charges or incidents n the past they couldn't get to stick.

Very few child abusers get caught on their first shot at it - makes you wonder how many other victims the filthy cunt has. fuck him, let the cunt rot.

[slowpoke]

Nup, the arguments don't stack up. Are murderers banned from watching Midsomer Murders on telly? Are fraudsters banned from watching Fair Go?

To apply ludicrous censorship rules that you or I don't have to live by is non-sensical. What next? A convicted burglar gets caught with a 5 year old copy of "The Great Train Robbery" doco and he gets hauled off to court? Last time I was in a video store I don't recall being asked if I was an arsonist before I rented Stephen King's "Firestarter".

You can say "But he's a kiddy fiddler!" all you like, when these self same ludicrous policy's edge closer and closer to mainstream ordinary people you won't have a leg to stand on in defense of what could be you. Think twice about opening that next email attachment from your dodgy mate, 'cos by agreeing to this action you're willingly putting your own head in the noose.

Seriously, who here hasn't got a speeding conviction? Now imagine being in an accident where you were speeding and someone was hurt, good luck when they introduce those crazy (Ghostrider, 300kph on a Swedish motorway) bike clips you've stored on your PC when it comes to sentencing time: "I was going to impose a fine and disqualification, but in light of the PC "evidence" that seems manifestly inadequate, 3-6 months in prison should give you time to realise the error of your ways."

Been in a fight at the pub? I hope you haven't recorded any UFC (ultimate Fighting Championship) episodes on MySky...

There may well be some court imposed sanction that the bloke in question has transgressed, but applying the same process to other crimes/situations just shows how screwed up it is.

[Banditbandit]

Didn't pick you as being into naked men?
Because only men were allowed. Maybe naked to prove they were men?

Naa .. I was thinking of the modern Olympics .. they'd be much more fun if the athletes were naked ... we could look at the women and the women could look at the men ..

[awa355]

Naa .. I was thinking of the modern Olympics .. they'd be much more fun if the athletes were naked ... we could look at the women and the women could look at the men ..

You really want to look at the Russian women shotputters?? :weird::weird: or worse, watching Princess Anne naked on a horse?

[Virago]

...or worse, watching Princess Anne naked on a horse?

Above or below the horse...?