Lost my keys for my '09 Blade! Any ideas?

[Onetap]

Hey guys,

Cut a long story short, No longer have my key for my baby in my possession, any ideas of anyone/place that could re-program a new key and cut it to my ignition barrel? i could obviously supply them with my ECU and Barrel.

Cheers

[BigAl]

Wouldn't you normally have more than one?

[FJRider]

Is there a number on the barrel or on/in any paperwork you got when you bought the bike.

A phone call to the local Honda dealer may be required.

[trapster66]

Try www.keysinthepost.co.uk. Have had success with older bikes, just need the number of the barrel. Otherwise a good locksmith but it'l cost ya

[Onetap]

Try www.keysinthepost.co.uk. Have had success with older bikes, just need the number of the barrel. Otherwise a good locksmith but it'l cost ya

The Problem here is HISS.

I purchased it second hand, well, Third hand actually and the previous owner bought it from Christchurch, in essence I only received the bike with 1 key and no paperwork.

Called Honda, they want me to replace everything. ECU, harness, Ignition barrel, Keys etc. about 4k work. They will not give any information about it, wouldn't even consider just reprogramming the ECU wit a new set of keys, wouldn't make AS MUCH money that i suppose. There are people on ebay that will remap a new set of keys to my ECU and cut it for my ignition barrel, just not keen to send it all overseas and have to wait.

I Wish I had NA model, They dont have the HISS system on their Hondas! lose your keys? no problem! get a couple cut! none of this Chip business.

[trapster66]

Oh shit... Be patient onetap an keep searchin some ingenious fellow wil hav a solution 4 u

[Onetap]

Oh shit... Be patient onetap an keep searchin some ingenious fellow wil hav a solution 4 u

ha ha, dont worry, im searching high and low, looking for someone in NZ that can reprogram an ECU with a new key. no luck so far.

[imdying]

Claim on your insurance, that's why you pay it.

[Onetap]

Claim on your insurance, that's why you pay it.

No insurance since i dont have a licence atm

[FJRider]

No insurance since i dont have a licence atm

Insurance does not depend on having a license. Theft can occur when you are not riding it. You can lose your key when you aren't riding it.

[Onetap]

Insurance does not depend on having a license. Theft can occur when you are not riding it. You can lose your key when you aren't riding it.

My bikes been in storage because ive been overseas so no, its not been insured. maybe i should insure it and claim in a couple of weeks.

On a side note, does anyone know anyone Wrecking a CBR1000rr? i could grab the ECU/Keys/Locks and Ignition barrel off of that.

[FJRider]

My bikes been in storage because ive been overseas so no, its not been insured. maybe i should insure it and claim in a couple of weeks.

On a side note, does anyone know anyone Wrecking a CBR1000rr? i could grab the ECU/Keys/Locks and Ignition barrel off of that.

In storage is probably a good time to have it insured. If it was a commercial storage ... claim on their insurance. Try claiming on your own contents insurance.

Ask a few wreckers about the parts you need.

[Onetap]

In storage is probably a good time to have it insured. If it was a commercial storage ... claim on their insurance. Try claiming on your own contents insurance.

Ask a few wreckers about the parts you need.

I dont have contents insurance, Im just a young fulla and ive call all substantial wreckers in NZ, No luck. Time to hit overseas i suppose.

[Logpot]

No insurance since i dont have a licence atm


I dont have contents insurance, Im just a young fulla and ive call all substantial wreckers in NZ, No luck. Time to hit overseas i suppose.

:facepalm:

[Ruahine]

How many Honda dealers have you talked to about this?

I am fairly sure you can reprogram the ECU to a new key code. Its a bit of a faff but cheaper than buying new parts.

Here is a link to a guy that has done this on his CBR600. Just buy a blank HISS key, cut it to your ignition and then reprogram the ECU so the new key codes are recognised by HISS.

http://www.bikersoracle.com/cbr600/forum/showthread.php?t=11809

I would think a honda dealer could do this for you or do it yourself - must be similar setup to the blade.

[Onetap]

How many Honda dealers have you talked to about this?

I am fairly sure you can reprogram the ECU to a new key code. Its a bit of a faff but cheaper than buying new parts.

Here is a link to a guy that has done this on his CBR600. Just buy a blank HISS key, cut it to your ignition and then reprogram the ECU so the new key codes are recognised by HISS.

http://www.bikersoracle.com/cbr600/forum/showthread.php?t=11809

I would think a honda dealer could do this for you or do it yourself - must be similar setup to the blade.

Ive contacted Blue Wing Honda and all the local Honda Dealers, They wont touch it, They dont re-code new keys to the same ECU, they refuse too, im sure they could however they all said the same thing. Buy a new ECU/Locks/Ignition barrel which is 3.8k. This is their only solution.

The problem lies with ECU, to reprogram it to a new Key im sure you have to open it up, that means opening up an Air tight, Gel Filled electrical component, chances of moisture damage etc are minimal but real.

[tnarg]

I only have one key so I hope I don't lose it.

Found this on Ebay. Maybe an option. http://http://www.ebay.com/itm/HONDA-CBR-929-954-1000-RR-Fireblade-ECU-CDI-HISS-keys-/320654215679

[Gremlin]

I only have one key so I hope I don't lose it.
First thing I'd be doing is organising a spare key... extremely cheap insurance matey...

[Onetap]

I only have one key so I hope I don't lose it.

Found this on Ebay. Maybe an option. http://http://www.ebay.com/itm/HONDA-CBR-929-954-1000-RR-Fireblade-ECU-CDI-HISS-keys-/320654215679

Yeah i saw that, Might end up having to send my ECU and ignition Barrel away to get new keys cut, My worry is that they will open her up and not seal it properly, Ive asked if they do and was told they dont open the ECU up to change the Code. Trustworthy though? who knows!

[tnarg]

First thing I'd be doing is organising a spare key... extremely cheap insurance matey...

Yeah I thought I lost it today but turns out it was still in the ignition :facepalm: Lucky it was in a secure car park. Think I will sort it out ASAP.

[Coldrider]

There is a thread elsewhere here. If you have an existing key, the code can be copied from the transponder within, to a another blank key.
If you have no key, you are stuffed.

[Ruahine]

Ive contacted Blue Wing Honda and all the local Honda Dealers, They wont touch it, They dont re-code new keys to the same ECU, they refuse too, im sure they could however they all said the same thing. Buy a new ECU/Locks/Ignition barrel which is 3.8k. This is their only solution.

The problem lies with ECU, to reprogram it to a new Key im sure you have to open it up, that means opening up an Air tight, Gel Filled electrical component, chances of moisture damage etc are minimal but real.

Yeah, the method I posted is only useful for creating more spare keys, won't work if you have lost all your keys.

Bummer.

{off to check if I have a spare key for my 600RR now}

[spanner spinner]

I have worked on many HISS equipped Hondas and you need an existing key to program new keys. If you have lost all the keys your stuffed, new ECU time. There are two options available as you have discovered new ECU which will come with blank keys, the keys need to be cut to your locks key number required. If you don't have a key number start ringing local locksmiths to see if you can find someone who can cut keys to suit your locks or you will have to buy new locks as well. Second hand ECU is the other option with keys, you then can them program keys to suit your existing locks or if you can get the locks at good price just fit the whole lot (easier option no reprograming) Try the Australian wreckers for the second hand option, but if you do get the parcel marked DO NOT XRAY!!!! as the xray can cook the ECU (this happen to a customer of mine, not a happy man as he had to buy a second unit)

Can you locate the old owner? Worth a try to see if they still have the spare key as this will be the cheapest way out of this dilemma.

One other option is to fit a race ECU, these don't use the HISS system at all. Only drawback to this is that the race ECU's some times don't plug straight into the standard loom. If you can mod the wiring yourself this can be a cheaper option if you can't can be expensive to pay someone else to do the wiring.

If you have any other questions message me.

[spanner spinner]

They dont re-code new keys to the same ECU, they refuse too, im sure they could however they all said the same thing.
The problem lies with ECU, to reprogram it to a new Key im sure you have to open it up, that means opening up an Air tight, Gel Filled electrical component, chances of moisture damage etc are minimal but real.

The reason Honda don't recode keys to the ECU is because you can't. Even if you open the ECU up you won't be able to program a new key, the key codes are electronic codes not switches locked into the main control chip that also controls the ignition timing and the hiss controls. You can't buy this chip or program it. This is to stop people who steal bikes from being able to bypass the HISS security.
Been down this road had a ECU to bits and it is not a option, and buy the way the ECU is epoxy filled you need special chemicals to get into it. Sorry for being the bearer of bad news.

[trapster66]

thats a real bummer mate...:beer:

[AllanB]

Agree with the above your Honda dealer should be able to sort this without having to replace everything.

[MD]

Mate I think you are stuffed. I had similar problem years ago with the CBR929RR. Don't think it was the HISS system but mine had the chip in key. Short story was the engine sump was cracked and leaked. Cheaper fix was buying an entire engine second hand from Aussie Wreckers.

New engine supposedly came from a model without a chipped key. Replacement motor fitted, ran fine. A few weeks later, middle of nowhere (Gissy) the engine just shut itself down. Hundreds of dollars to get me and bike home.

Honda NZ and Shop tried everything to get it to start including talking to Honda Japan. Different key/barrel, ECUs, replaced plugs, solenoids you name it. Every individual stage in the firing process was functioning - BUT no way would the engine fire up. I moved on and bought a new CBR1000RR and made sure I never lost the keys.

Eventually the shop replaced the entire wiring loom and parts/electrical system and got it to work.

[Onetap]

Agree with the above your Honda dealer should be able to sort this without having to replace everything.

The Key Code(To get a key cut) should be on the ignition barrel correct? So a new ECU/Keyset should be all i need?

[Onetap]

Mate I think you are stuffed. I had similar problem years ago with the CBR929RR. Don't think it was the HISS system but mine had the chip in key. Short story was the engine sump was cracked and leaked. Cheaper fix was buying an entire engine second hand from Aussie Wreckers.

New engine supposedly came from a model without a chipped key. Replacement motor fitted, ran fine. A few weeks later, middle of nowhere (Gissy) the engine just shut itself down. Hundreds of dollars to get me and bike home.

Honda NZ and Shop tried everything to get it to start including talking to Honda Japan. Different key/barrel, ECUs, replaced plugs, solenoids you name it. Every individual stage in the firing process was functioning - BUT no way would the engine fire up. I moved on and bought a new CBR1000RR and made sure I never lost the keys.

Eventually the shop replaced the entire wiring loom and parts/electrical system and got it to work.

Ive Contacted Several people who have said they can get it going, My guess is they use two new keys and program the ECU for the new keys.

Ive tried contacting the original owner, got as far back as 2 owners and the trail ran cold, ive priced a seccond-hand ECU/Key/Lock set and the cheapest ive found is 1200AUD, so not exactly cheap, thats every wrecker in NZ, Aus and England, Ebay, Trademe, etc nothing.

which brings me to a fork in the road.

I can either:

Buy a second hand set from UK, Fit it and good to go $700NZD
Take it in to a "reliable source" and get the ECU code changed to a new key $900NZD - was told they didnt need to open the ECU up since they had all the tools.

[G4L4XY]

Mate that sux! I've got two keys for my bike and I'll make sure I never lose mine, one stays at home at all times.
4k thats half the price of the bike!!

[BigAl]

Mate that sux! I've got two keys for my bike and I'll make sure I never lose mine, one stays at home at all times.
4k thats half the price of the bike!!

+1, is this a problem for all bike makes with transponder keys?

Glad I can just get a key cut for my bike any time I like and would rather take other preventive theft options.

[Onetap]

+1, is this a problem for all bike makes with transponder keys?

Glad I can just get a key cut for my bike any time I like and would rather take other preventive theft options.

Yup....

Stink ass situation. Never lost a key before, didnt even lose this one but hey, what can ya do?

[FROSTY]

Has anybody spoken to an actual locksmith? not the mall type but the guys with all the chip key readers.
My understanding is that Honda works on a rolling code system so maybee a code reader can pick the code up off the ecu and program a chip to it. Then get it put on a blade key.
probably someones already gone down that path.

[spanner spinner]

Has anybody spoken to an actual locksmith? not the mall type but the guys with all the chip key readers.
My understanding is that Honda works on a rolling code system so maybee a code reader can pick the code up off the ecu and program a chip to it. Then get it put on a blade key.
probably someones already gone down that path.

Sorry HISS system is not a rolling code system, There are two codes that the system needs one is an unique code imbedded in the key itself the other is one of four unique codes in the ECU that is programmed into the key by the ECU when it is set up in program mode. The HISS system then looks for these two codes when the key is inserted. The two customers that I have dealt with that had the local locksmith try to program a new key both cooked there ECU's, to the point that when one found there original key (kids had been playing motorbikes with dad's keys, key was in the kids room) that key would no longer work. New ECU time in both cases. One of my customers got the locksmith to pay half the cost of the new ECU as they assured them that they could set up a new key but couldn't, expensive lesson for locksmith.

The companies in the USA that offer repair have to open the ECU up to change internal components to affect repair, this must be to change internal codes. I have not had any experience with there repairs so would recommend more research before going down this route.

[spanner spinner]

[QUOTE=BigAl;1130536196]+1, is this a problem for all bike makes with transponder keys?

YES. Suzuki, Yamaha, Ducati, all have the same issue. But Ducati any Yamaha make it more complicated as they have a master code key (A red coloured key) and this key is required to do any programing of new keys. Lose this key or not get given it when you buy the bike second hand and it's new ECU time if you require any new keys.

[BigAl]

YES. Suzuki, Yamaha, Ducati, all have the same issue. But Ducati any Yamaha make it more complicated as they have a master code key (A red coloured key) and this key is required to do any programing of new keys. Lose this key or not get given it when you buy the bike second hand and it's new ECU time if you require any new keys.

Wow thanks for this, I'm sure most people don't know to get the master key when purchasing:niceone: