Autism awareness month

[scissorhands]

April is autism awareness month. Autisms have been a special interest of mine for the last 2 years.

Corporations and employers are starting to wake up to the potential of an autistic employee.

Captain Kirks right hand man Spock, was the initial modern media example that shows the benefits of employing someone with an autistic difference.

Below is a video of a 18minute Ted Talk, given by 11 times world champion skateboarder Rodney Mullen. Rodney Mullen became the champ at age 14 and was only deposed because the industry changed the goal posts, and the new style called street skating began mid nineties. He lived in rural Florida, and only had his parents garage floor to skate on, as no other paved area was available on his farm.

The video clearly shows his spoken communication issues. I hope to add interesting bits to this thread over the next week. Including news items, and other autistics on youtube.

The ted talk is interesting in that it shows how minority outsiders affect the insider majority


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEm-wjPkegE

[scissorhands]

Autistics are often thought of in terms of their cold rational and lack of empathy or inability to exteriorise emotions.

The onion has a series of parodies around a character named Autistic Reporter Michael Falk

To many in the autistic community these are offensive, but I'm an apparently offensive person anyway's as I faux pas my way thru life, much like Michael Falk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAOhBBEQwE8

[Akzle]

should it still be called mental illness?

[scissorhands]

should it still be called mental illness?

There are two types of people in this world
Those who know they are crazy
And those who dont
Relatively speaking
we all have crazy moments and do crazy things

when attending support group meetings at autismnz
I would say yes
as many were much lower functioning than I
lower functioning autitics often dislike the higher functioning
much like the poor dislike the rich
grouping all types together under the new DSM [disgnostic something manual] category of ASD
Autism Spectrum Disorder
and removing the term aspergers syndrome altogether
has offended many higher functioning types
much like the rich look down on the poor
much like the north shore being angry when the Auckland supercity formed

many people prefer the term 'difference'
the problem for most mild autistics
is other people and bullying


the mental illness industry is just that, an industry
big pharma makes 2 trillion a year
it would like more customers please

are you fucken crazy?
is thrown toward difference
as well as genuine mental illness
it is both
depending on the person
just as a 'normal' or neurotypical person
can be little mental

here are some signs to look for in others:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/signs.html wrote:

Possible "Red Flags"
Not respond to their name by 12 months of age
Not point at objects to show interest (point at an airplane flying over) by 14 months
Not play "pretend" games (pretend to "feed" a doll) by 18 months
Avoid eye contact and want to be alone
Have trouble understanding other people's feelings or talking about their own feelings
Have delayed speech and language skills
Repeat words or phrases over and over (echolalia)
Give unrelated answers to questions
Get upset by minor changes
Have obsessive interests
Flap their hands, rock their body, or spin in circles
Have unusual reactions to the way things sound, smell, taste, look, or feel
Social Skills
Does not respond to name by 12 months of age
Avoids eye-contact
Prefers to play alone
Does not share interests with others
Only interacts to achieve a desired goal
Has flat or inappropriate facial expressions
Does not understand personal space boundaries
Avoids or resists physical contact
Is not comforted by others during distress
Has trouble understanding other people's feelings or talking about own feelings
Communication
Delayed speech and language skills
Repeats words or phrases over and over (echolalia)
Reverses pronouns (e.g., says "you" instead of "I")
Gives unrelated answers to questions
Does not point or respond to pointing
Uses few or no gestures (e.g., does not wave goodbye)
Talks in a flat, robot-like, or sing-song voice
Does not pretend in play (e.g., does not pretend to "feed" a doll)
Does not understand jokes, sarcasm, or teasing
Unusual Interests and Behaviors
Lines up toys or other objects
Plays with toys the same way every time
Likes parts of objects (e.g., wheels)
Is very organized
Gets upset by minor changes
Has obsessive interests
Has to follow certain routines
Flaps hands, rocks body, or spins self in circles
Other Symptoms
Hyperactivity (very active)
Impulsivity (acting without thinking)
Short attention span
Aggression
Causing self injury
Temper tantrums
Unusual eating and sleeping habits
Unusual mood or emotional reactions
Lack of fear or more fear than expected
Unusual reactions to the way things sound, smell, taste, look, or feel

[Scuba_Steve]

DAN BULL [Douglby]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lxi8ZU1sJ8

[Hitcher]

Autism covers a very broad spectrum. I believe that any of us is capable of demonstrating some form of autism under certain conditions.

My heart goes to parents with autistic children. That is truly hard work.

I once had the privilege to briefly work alongside American animal behaviour specialist Temple Grandin. I learned a lot about animal behaviour and gained some poignant insights into autism.

[yungatart]

I work with several teenagers who are autistic.
They are very different from each other in their behaviours, pretty much like the rest of the human race really.

Looking at your list, I have displayed a heap of those symptoms too....

It all comes down to tolerating differences in people. It would be a boring old world if we were all the same

[scissorhands]

Autism covers a very broad spectrum. I believe that any of us is capable of demonstrating some form of autism under certain conditions.

My heart goes to parents with autistic children. That is truly hard work.

I once had the privilege to briefly work alongside American animal behaviour specialist Temple Grandin. I learned a lot about animal behaviour and gained some poignant insights into autism.

Thanks Hitcher, Temple Grandin has been such a good ambassador for autism.

I like the sombre melancholic mood of Dan Bulls song, encapsulating autistic malaise, thanks for the video. I believe much of the negative aspects of autism are due to societies reaction to an autistic, rather than purely authentic to higher functioning autism. Much like the problems of Maori, are societally imposed

In a herd, or group, dominant males will eject different others, as primordial urges to keep the herd strong by banishing the different or/or sick, to prevent them mating with females. Chimpanzees usually attack non member males. Two will hold the outsider down while the third chimp will beat the outsider to death. In nature, predators often keep the herd strong by killing the weak or those dozy and unwary. Such is natural balance.

In todays world, many mental [and physical] problems exist due to immigration allowing lonely males to find breeding mates from other culture's, females who want into the west, and will marry just to live in a better country. IE AsianRussian wives today

Many English settlers who came to NZ in the 1800's, could not find a wife in old blighty, and the lure of a native bride, as well as unhappy family relations at home, impelled them across the seas.


Many scientists and inventors have autism, as well as artists and musicians. Shamans and medicine men, many were/are probably autists, as well as priests and philosophers.

Nikola Tesla spent the last years of his life living in a cheap hotel and feeding the pigeons

Sir Isaac Newton died a virgin

Henry Ford the father of assembly lines and mass production

Bill Gates

Steve Jobs

Warren Buffet

Burt Monroe John Briton

Some current top All Blacks and league stars

Einstein etc etc

The below vid is a trailer about Clay Marzo's film 'Just Add Water. Tony Attwood is an Australian autism specialist and a higher functioning aspie himself


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKRIRZEV4B4

[scissorhands]

I work with several teenagers who are autistic.
They are very different from each other in their behaviours, pretty much like the rest of the human race really.

Looking at your list, I have displayed a heap of those symptoms too....

It all comes down to tolerating differences in people. It would be a boring old world if we were all the same

They say if you've met one autistic, you've met one autistic.

I have never had a meltdown or been violent. I'm probably better behaved and less antisocial than most neurotypical males.

Most higher functioning types are quite different to classic lower functioning autisms that require constant care

I believe The DSM to have many errors, especially the grouping together of these different types.

The thread is struggling so I'll leave it here, thanks

[Banditbandit]

They say if you've met one autistic, you've met one autistic.

About right ...


I have never had a meltdown or been violent. I'm probably better behaved and less antisocial than most neurotypical males.

Been there - done that .. learnt to control it (just plain don't give a fuck any more - it's hard to get angry when you don't give a fuck ...)


Most higher functioning types are quite different to classic lower functioning autisms that require constant care

Yeah .. I can and prefer to function by myself .. helps my wife is a specialist on working with Aspergers people ...


I believe The DSM to have many errors, especially the grouping together of these different types.

Yeah .. I wonder about Torrettes ... I show some of those symptoms at times .. mainly twitching - hands, feet ... I can write off my foul mouth (which is worse than I write ) to "don't give a fuck" biker attitude ...

I met Tony Attwood once ... didn't have a think to say to him ...

[BOGAR]

I must say even a mild form of Aspergers makes my life difficult at the least. People don’t know why you think the way you do especially when something is obvious to them. I know everyone has a world view or bubble that they see the world from and it is shaped from their experiences in life. It is always hard to see something from the view of someone else. I have destroyed a relationship because I could not always deal with the way life worked and I could not get my thoughts and feelings across. Worst of all I was told I was emotionless when I just couldn’t express what I was feeling and thinking. This is tearing me up inside and makes me start to hate myself. I respect the people who work with someone with a condition that makes them different in the worlds eyes.

[awa355]

I have a 7 yr grandson who is autistic. He was not diagnosed untill aged two. It was the most heart breaking two years of everyones lives. Nana and grandad couldn't make out why he would scream at us and push us away from him, not calling us by our names, He totally rejected Judy which just broke her heart. She couldn't feed him or hold him.

It got to the stage where we dreaded seeing him. Now that he is older, he is a changed child. He still lives in his own world mostly, but interacts with all the family.

I read that dogs have a form of aspergers syndrome. I can similarities between my dogs behaviour patterns and my grandsons. ie a fixed plan associated with certain words or actions.

I worry about how the world will treat him as he grows into an adult. People wont see the same young man that his family do.

[scissorhands]

Seeking to improve a level of functioning, or always trying harder, can make a big difference in some ones life. Many get resigned and negative, which can make matters worse all round, some autistic kids can be real hard work.

The people I have spoken with have been the autistic people and their views are peppered with things like:

they had no idea how much the background noise was making it difficult for me
no one knew it was autism till I was 11yrs old and by then...

France and some eastern block countries are so backward with support services, Canada and Scandinavia are very good, UK's not bad either.

Ashrams and temples normally house orphans and mentally ill, in the west the government makes tax payers pay. Villagers give what they can.

I believe a warning index should be prepared for couples planning to conceive.

But then half of the conceptions could be up for review, I see many toddlers in Aucks very close to the spectrum. Industrialised whitey is breeding himself out. End of the line if ya dont get some of the those healthy polynesian genes in ya! Modern lifestyles are quickening chronic conditions like arthritis asthma gastritis autism heart disease diabetes...............

get out of town

[Akzle]

End of the line if ya dont get some of the those healthy polynesian genes in ya!

i have healthy polynesian genes. any women interested, feel free to suck them out of me...

[scissorhands]

i have healthy polynesian genes. any women interested, feel free to suck them out of me...

Going by your attitude you might be the adams rib they are needing:laugh:

[Scuba_Steve]

Another from that Autistic Guy [Dan Bull]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGSYBdvUF9w

[Oscar]

should it still be called mental illness?

No.

I have an autistic son and I would say he was different.

It's not an illness, and as there are several aspects or symptoms that are not mental, I wouldn't describe it that way either.
He just comes at life from a different angle than most.

He can tell you how many Tax Inspectors were employed by the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1913, but won't notice that you're very happy, angry or sad.

[awa355]

A hundred years ago, my grandson would have been taken away from his family and stuck in a place like Seacliff Lunatic Asylym. In fact an ancestor spent over 30 years in a CHCH asylum untill someone twigged, she was stone deaf.

Now they have picked up another disorder with Cam. He needs special headphones in school so he can hear the teacher and cut out the noise from the other kids.

[Oscar]

A hundred years ago, my grandson would have been taken away from his family and stuck in a place like Seacliff Lunatic Asylym. In fact an ancestor spent over 30 years in a CHCH asylum untill someone twigged, she was stone deaf.

Now they have picked up another disorder with Cam. He needs special headphones in school so he can hear the teacher and cut out the noise from the other kids.

That's interesting. Autistic spectrum disorders are often picked up by Audiologists.
My boy was somewhat deaf from a bout of chickenpox as a baby, and when he was about 8 years old, he got some hearing aids.
Bad idea.
He could now hear the cacophony in the classroom and it drove him wild.
It was his reaction to his new noisy world that allowed him to be diagnosed.
The problem was that if he could hear the teacher to learn, the ambient sound was a problem.
In the end, he was home schooled

[Akzle]

Now they have picked up another disorder with Cam. He needs special headphones in school so he can hear the teacher and cut out the noise from the other kids.

at least they can do something about it now eh.

i'm continually amazed at human hearing. the physical design of the ear to isolate direction and maxamise frequency capture, the inner mechanics, the nuero-electrical wizardry that get that to the brain... and the brain's ability to interpret and disregard. ie, having a conversation in a busy place.. (or listening at school) the mind has to "drown out" or turn down all the "background noise"

[HenryDorsetCase]

So in may it is New Zealand music month, and autism month.

it is also apparently national masturbation month.

so there's that.

is there any way of combining all three?

[HenryDorsetCase]

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i'm continually amazed at human hearing. the physical design of the ear to isolate direction and maxamise frequency capture, the inner mechanics, the nuero-electrical wizardry that get that to the brain... and the brain's ability to interpret and disregard. ie, having a conversation in a busy place.. (or listening at school) the mind has to "drown out" or turn down all the "background noise"[/COLOR]

As someone who has had two months of reduced hearing due to ear infections (currently on third course of antibiotics, plus the antibiotic eardrops) I cannot tell you how debilitating hearing loss is. But you probably know already. I didnt.

[scissorhands]

http://www.engineeringhumor.com/jokes01.html

A joke that women who date engineers would get

An ambitious engineer decided to take a vacation. He booked himself on a Caribbean cruise and proceeded to have the time of his life. Until the boat sank! Then the man found himself swept up on the shore of an island with no other people, no supplies.. Nothing. Only bananas and coconuts!

After about four months, he is lying on the beach one day when the most gorgeous woman he has ever seen rows up to the island. In disbelief, he asks her, "Where did you come from? How did you get here?" "I rowed from the other side of the island," she says. "I landed here when my cruise ship sank." "Amazing," he says. "You were really lucky to have a rowboat wash up with you." "Oh, this?" replies the woman. "I made the rowboat out of raw material I found on the island; the oars were whittled from gum tree branches; I wove the bottom from palm branches; and the sides and stern came from a Eucalyptus tree."

"But-but, that's impossible," stutters the man. "You had no tools or hardware. How did you manage?" "Oh, that was no problem," replies the woman. "On the South side of the island, there is a very unusual strata of alluvial rock exposed. I found if I fired it to a certain temperature in my kiln, it melted into forgeable ductile iron. I used that for tools and used the tools to make the hardware." The guy is stunned. "Let's row over to my place, " she says.

After a few minutes of rowing, she docks the boat at a small wharf. As the man looks onto shore, he nearly falls out of the boat. Before him is a stone walk leading to an exquisite bungalow painted in blue and white. While the woman ties up the rowboat with an expertly woven hemp rope, the man can only stare ahead, dumbstruck. As they walk into the house, she says casually, "It's not much, but I call it home. Sit down please; would you like to have a drink?" "No, no thank you," he says, still dazed. "Can't take any more coconut juice." "It's not coconut juice," the woman replies. "I have a still. How about a Pina Colada?"

Trying to hide his continued amazement, the man accepts, and they sit down on her couch to talk. After they have exchanged their stories, the woman announces, "I'm going to slip into something more comfortable. "Would you like to take a shower and shave? There is a razor upstairs in the bathroom cabinet." No longer questioning anything, the man goes into the bathroom.

There, in the cabinet, is a razor made from a bone handle. Two shells honed to a hollow ground edge are fastened on to its end inside of a swivel mechanism. "This woman is amazing," he muses. "What next?"

When he returns, she greets him wearing nothing but vines, strategically positioned, and smelling faintly of gardenias. She beckons for him to sit down next to her. "Tell me," she begins, suggestively, slithering closer to him, "We've been out here for a really long time. You've been lonely. There's something I'm sure you really feel like doing right now, something you've been longing for all these months". She peers deeply into his eyes, "You know. . ." He can't believe what he's hearing and his joy mounts. "You mean...?

He swallows excitedly. "Can I check my email from here?





Engineer vs. Manager

A man is flying in a hot air balloon and realizes he is lost. He reduces height and spots a man down below. He lowers the balloon further and shouts: "Excuse me, can you tell me where I am?"
The man below says: "Yes, you're in a hot air balloon, hovering 30 feet above this field."
You must be an engineer" says the balloonist.
"I am" replies the man. "How did you know."
"Well," says the balloonist, "everything you have told me is technically correct, but it's no use to anyone."
The man below says "you must be in management."
"I am" replies the balloonist, "but how did you know?"
"Well," says the man, "you don't know where you are, or where you're going, but you expect me to be able to help. You're in the same position you were before we met, but now it's my fault."

[Akzle]

As someone who has had two months of reduced hearing due to ear infections (currently on third course of antibiotics, plus the antibiotic eardrops) I cannot tell you how debilitating hearing loss is. But you probably know already. I didnt.

me? no i can hear fucking superbly. better than most people. and i'm worse now than i was. i used ot be over-tuned to electricity, so i could hear the wires in a building. not fun.

plus modern science and medicine is bad for you. i suggest your lifestyle needs revamping, then you'd be healthy.

but yeah nah, being deaf, even on certain frequencies (which is usually how it happens) is debilitating. especially as it's usually the conversational bits that go first.

[F5 Dave]

I work with engineers, some have been downright fish out of water in social situations, but I'm starting to understand there may be other reasons. But of course it is way too easy to become a lay psychiatrist & diagnose every 2nd person.

That list of people on the other page, can that be right? John Britten (sp not Briton) for example sounded fairly charismatic. Is that likely? (not that I've met many adults that I've known are ASD)

[scissorhands]

I think he was dyslexic which is different. Henry Ford was somewhere on the spectrum, all sorts really.

But mostly never as politicians or actors, socially aspies are pretty useless, they call it the engineers desease. My dad and grandfather were both engineers, it is second nature to me, but I were putting lawn mower engines on trolleys around 9 or 10 years old, because of our engineer parents. Many of my mates had engineer dads, many more goods were made in NZ then.

Today, the media emphasis is on networking and social skills, in fact the market place has been short of engineers for a long time. Nerds aint the same as autistic, though the spectrum begins somewhere near.

A bit like panda bears, every opportunity to breed should be cherished, otherwise all the salesmen will breed instead. But they can be too nerdy.....

[scissorhands]

many aspies look very normal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WDWX196PLY

[scissorhands]

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/director/2013/transforming-diagnosis.shtml


Transforming Diagnosis

By Thomas Insel on April 29, 2013

In a few weeks, the American Psychiatric Association will release its new edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5). This volume will tweak several current diagnostic categories, from autism spectrum disorders to mood disorders. While many of these changes have been contentious, the final product involves mostly modest alterations of the previous edition, based on new insights emerging from research since 1990 when DSM-IV was published. Sometimes this research recommended new categories (e.g., mood dysregulation disorder) or that previous categories could be dropped (e.g., Asperger’s syndrome).1

The goal of this new manual, as with all previous editions, is to provide a common language for describing psychopathology. While DSM has been described as a “Bible” for the field, it is, at best, a dictionary, creating a set of labels and defining each. The strength of each of the editions of DSM has been “reliability” – each edition has ensured that clinicians use the same terms in the same ways. The weakness is its lack of validity. Unlike our definitions of ischemic heart disease, lymphoma, or AIDS, the DSM diagnoses are based on a consensus about clusters of clinical symptoms, not any objective laboratory measure. In the rest of medicine, this would be equivalent to creating diagnostic systems based on the nature of chest pain or the quality of fever. Indeed, symptom-based diagnosis, once common in other areas of medicine, has been largely replaced in the past half century as we have understood that symptoms alone rarely indicate the best choice of treatment.

Patients with mental disorders deserve better. NIMH has launched the Research Domain Criteria (RDoC) project to transform diagnosis by incorporating genetics, imaging, cognitive science, and other levels of information to lay the foundation for a new classification system. Through a series of workshops over the past 18 months, we have tried to define several major categories for a new nosology (see below). This approach began with several assumptions:

A diagnostic approach based on the biology as well as the symptoms must not be constrained by the current DSM categories,
Mental disorders are biological disorders involving brain circuits that implicate specific domains of cognition, emotion, or behavior,
Each level of analysis needs to be understood across a dimension of function,
Mapping the cognitive, circuit, and genetic aspects of mental disorders will yield new and better targets for treatment.

It became immediately clear that we cannot design a system based on biomarkers or cognitive performance because we lack the data. In this sense, RDoC is a framework for collecting the data needed for a new nosology. But it is critical to realize that we cannot succeed if we use DSM categories as the “gold standard.”2 The diagnostic system has to be based on the emerging research data, not on the current symptom-based categories. Imagine deciding that EKGs were not useful because many patients with chest pain did not have EKG changes. That is what we have been doing for decades when we reject a biomarker because it does not detect a DSM category. We need to begin collecting the genetic, imaging, physiologic, and cognitive data to see how all the data – not just the symptoms – cluster and how these clusters relate to treatment response.

That is why NIMH will be re-orienting its research away from DSM categories. Going forward, we will be supporting research projects that look across current categories – or sub-divide current categories – to begin to develop a better system. What does this mean for applicants? Clinical trials might study all patients in a mood clinic rather than those meeting strict major depressive disorder criteria. Studies of biomarkers for “depression” might begin by looking across many disorders with anhedonia or emotional appraisal bias or psychomotor retardation to understand the circuitry underlying these symptoms. What does this mean for patients? We are committed to new and better treatments, but we feel this will only happen by developing a more precise diagnostic system. The best reason to develop RDoC is to seek better outcomes.

RDoC, for now, is a research framework, not a clinical tool. This is a decade-long project that is just beginning. Many NIMH researchers, already stressed by budget cuts and tough competition for research funding, will not welcome this change. Some will see RDoC as an academic exercise divorced from clinical practice. But patients and families should welcome this change as a first step towards "precision medicine,” the movement that has transformed cancer diagnosis and treatment. RDoC is nothing less than a plan to transform clinical practice by bringing a new generation of research to inform how we diagnose and treat mental disorders. As two eminent psychiatric geneticists recently concluded, “At the end of the 19th century, it was logical to use a simple diagnostic approach that offered reasonable prognostic validity. At the beginning of the 21st century, we must set our sights higher.”

[Edbear]

A hundred years ago, my grandson would have been taken away from his family and stuck in a place like Seacliff Lunatic Asylym. In fact an ancestor spent over 30 years in a CHCH asylum untill someone twigged, she was stone deaf.

Now they have picked up another disorder with Cam. He needs special headphones in school so he can hear the teacher and cut out the noise from the other kids.

So often a child is pigeon-holed and it is a long time before a proper diagnosis is found and then treatment can start. A school mate was considered dumb until it was found he needed glasses, he couldn't read the blackboard.

My son was considered a violent and disruptive "naughty child" until in 1981 they discovered hyperactivity disorder and he was tested and treated. By then he was 6 years old.

Another mate of mine suffers ADHD but is holding down a good job and coping with life at 47. These people simply need more one-on-one attention until they "get it" and then do a usually better job than others. It is a matter of finding out how a person's brain works and fitting in with that. I don't consider it an intelligence issue as some of the most unlikely people can do amazing things, it is a matter of how a person learns and we are all different to some degree.

Scissorhands, how do you see yourself, as it appears that you are good at expressing yourself and in researching the condition?

[Banditbandit]

I'm not so sure about the treatment ... There's strong threads of both ADHD and Aspergers in my famly - with many mixes and variants ...

What I see is that the ones who were diagnosed and "treated" are worse off than the ones who were dagnosed and not treated ...

I have two nephews .. one diagnosed ADHD/Aspergers ... he's a bloody mess because his parents treated him differently .. don't believe he can function by himself, and consequently don't let him .. don't let him out of their sight .. don't let him do anything (he's 21 years old ...) he's been treated differently all his life ... it has not been good for him ...

And another nephew (different parents) is is clearly on the autistic spectrum .. has had tests done .. but has never been told what the ressits of the tests were ... and is doing extremely well - if a little dreamy and odd at times ...

Sure, one of my sisters and her husband have done pretty badly by their son ... the other sister and her husband have been pretty good ... but this is just one example I've seen of "treated" Aspergers people being worse than none treated .. I had to deal with an Aspergers student who used to play up al the time ... her standard response "It's not my fault - you can't blame me, I'm Aspergers" .. my internal response (never vocalized) was "Yeah Right ..." but that was the ultimate cop-out of personal responsibility ...

[Banditbandit]

I'm not so sure about the treatment ... There's strong threads of both ADHD and Aspergers in my famly - with many mixes and variants ...

What I see is that the family members who were diagnosed and "treated" are worse off than the ones who were diagnosed and not treated ...

I have two nephews .. one diagnosed ADHD/Aspergers ... he's a bloody mess because his parents treated him differently .. don't believe he can function by himself, and consequently don't let him .. don't let him out of their sight .. don't let him do anything (he's 21 years old ...) he's been treated differently all his life ... it has not been good for him ...

And another nephew (different parents) is is clearly on the autistic spectrum .. has had tests done .. but has never been told what the results of the tests were ... and is doing extremely well - if a little dreamy and odd at times ...

Sure, one of my sisters and her husband have done pretty badly by their son ... the other sister and her husband have been pretty good ... but this is just one example I've seen of "treated" Aspergers people being worse than none treated ... I had to deal with an Aspergers student who used to play up al the time ... her standard response "It's not my fault - you can't blame me, I'm Aspergers" .. my internal response (never vocalized) was "Yeah Right ..." that was the ultimate cop-out of personal responsibility ...

I have seen some great results from treating ASD people ... but equally I have seen some big fuck ups ... so I'm in two minds about treatment ..

[Edbear]

I'm not so sure about the treatment ... There's strong threads of both ADHD and Aspergers in my famly - with many mixes and variants ...

What I see is that the ones who were diagnosed and "treated" are worse off than the ones who were dagnosed and not treated ...

I have two nephews .. one diagnosed ADHD/Aspergers ... he's a bloody mess because his parents treated him differently .. don't believe he can function by himself, and consequently don't let him .. don't let him out of their sight .. don't let him do anything (he's 21 years old ...) he's been treated differently all his life ... it has not been good for him ...

And another nephew (different parents) is is clearly on the autistic spectrum .. has had tests done .. but has never been told what the ressits of the tests were ... and is doing extremely well - if a little dreamy and odd at times ...

Sure, one of my sisters and her husband have done pretty badly by their son ... the other sister and her husband have been pretty good ... but this is just one example I've seen of "treated" Aspergers people being worse than none treated .. I had to deal with an Aspergers student who used to play up al the time ... her standard response "It's not my fault - you can't blame me, I'm Aspergers" .. my internal response (never vocalized) was "Yeah Right ..." but that was the ultimate cop-out of personal responsibility ...

Therein probably lies the problem. One box don't fit all and not enough time is invested in studying the individual to find their strengths and weaknesses, what works and what doesn't in their case.

I agree, too, that the fact that too many parents find excuses for their children, meaning the child gets to cop out. This is general, not just in medical situations either!

[F5 Dave]

Guess that depends what is meant by 'treating'. Treating someone to become independent or as much as possible, or treating people to become dependant, whether it is a parental prompt dependency or over dependence on a pattern which may lead to inflexibility, there is no doubt extremes to avoid. Certainly people aren't born as experts & understanding someone else that is wired differently is not an intuitive act.

[scissorhands]

So often a child is pigeon-holed and it is a long time before a proper diagnosis is found and then treatment can start. A school mate was considered dumb until it was found he needed glasses, he couldn't read the blackboard.

My son was considered a violent and disruptive "naughty child" until in 1981 they discovered hyperactivity disorder and he was tested and treated. By then he was 6 years old.

Another mate of mine suffers ADHD but is holding down a good job and coping with life at 47. These people simply need more one-on-one attention until they "get it" and then do a usually better job than others. It is a matter of finding out how a person's brain works and fitting in with that. I don't consider it an intelligence issue as some of the most unlikely people can do amazing things, it is a matter of how a person learns and we are all different to some degree.

Scissorhands, how do you see yourself, as it appears that you are good at expressing yourself and in researching the condition?

My dad had 2 degrees both with honours, I retired in my early twenties with my own home. I'm basically just intelligent, especially with problem solving, like industrial maintenance and machinery.
My main problems are in verbal communication, I come across as a dick. I never did homework once, as sitting in front of my books elicited a huge blankness. Even now, sitting in front of work, elicits the same response today. I get bored with chores, and am always on the lookout for a muse to entertain me.

Bored and frustrated intelligent person with limited verbal skills and emotional intelligence.
If not for the shit medical shitstem.... and the ass family, I may have done something significant with my life, like manufacturing or product design or the many things that inspire me.

Ethically strong creates an inflexibility with many other people. The strong ethical drive is problematic in todays world, where being a prick is somehow encouraged

[scissorhands]

I'm not so sure about the treatment ... There's strong threads of both ADHD and Aspergers in my famly - with many mixes and variants ...

What I see is that the family members who were diagnosed and "treated" are worse off than the ones who were diagnosed and not treated ...

I have two nephews .. one diagnosed ADHD/Aspergers ... he's a bloody mess because his parents treated him differently .. don't believe he can function by himself, and consequently don't let him .. don't let him out of their sight .. don't let him do anything (he's 21 years old ...) he's been treated differently all his life ... it has not been good for him ...

And another nephew (different parents) is is clearly on the autistic spectrum .. has had tests done .. but has never been told what the results of the tests were ... and is doing extremely well - if a little dreamy and odd at times ...

Sure, one of my sisters and her husband have done pretty badly by their son ... the other sister and her husband have been pretty good ... but this is just one example I've seen of "treated" Aspergers people being worse than none treated ... I had to deal with an Aspergers student who used to play up al the time ... her standard response "It's not my fault - you can't blame me, I'm Aspergers" .. my internal response (never vocalized) was "Yeah Right ..." that was the ultimate cop-out of personal responsibility ...

I have seen some great results from treating ASD people ... but equally I have seen some big fuck ups ... so I'm in two minds about treatment ..

For a long time doctors blamed it on refrigerator mother, or poor mothering. Now its all genetic....Freaken dickheads.

I believe early awareness to be key. But deny most interventions as badly thought out actions

The truth is nature and nurture both contribute, especially mainstream school systems which indoctrinate to a certain beat or rhythm , a beat that is anathema to aspies.

The medical fraternity is to blame for much of the suffering at a family and personal level. They are lying about mental health, just like a doctor will never recommend diet, all the while diet being the main driver of health...

Its all bullshit and money, peeps need to do their own homework as medical professionals are corrupted by bad science and nefarious political reasons which obscure facts and are all part of the general dumbing down of modern western man.

I have learnt not to trust a medical expert at all, but only till very recently..... Which is quite liberating as well as being quite lonely, noone is there to help me except fools and horses!!

So I agree with your view BB on avoiding medical experts. We are just a walking dollar sign to them, so 'fixing' you is not the desired outcome for their business, and they do not have the skills anyway

Medical and health industries should never be a business, as well as education and housing.

AVOID!

[Akzle]

The truth is nature and nurture both contribute, especially mainstream school systems which indoctrinate to a certain beat or rhythm , a beat that is anathema to aspies.

dude. all you have to do is stand up when they tell you "your name", accept their authority without question, recite the correct answers when they're demanded of you.... really, they're just preparing you for life in "society"

[Banditbandit]

For a long time doctors blamed it on refrigerator mother, or poor mothering. Now its all genetic....Freaken dickheads.

I believe early awareness to be key. But deny most interventions as badly thought out actions

Yeah ... that's what I have seen ...


The truth is nature and nurture both contribute, especially mainstream school systems which indoctrinate to a certain beat or rhythm , a beat that is anathema to aspies.

The medical fraternity is to blame for much of the suffering at a family and personal level. They are lying about mental health, just like a doctor will never recommend diet, all the while diet being the main driver of health...

Its all bullshit and money, peeps need to do their own homework as medical professionals are corrupted by bad science and nefarious political reasons which obscure facts and are all part of the general dumbing down of modern western man.

I have learnt not to trust a medical expert at all, but only till very recently..... Which is quite liberating as well as being quite lonely, noone is there to help me except fools and horses!!

I still don't trrust the fuckers ... I recently went to a "specialist" with stomach problems .. he asked me what medication I was using and I said "sulpher-based drugs, because they seemed to work better that the penicillin" .. he said "we don't usually prescribe suplpher-based drugs for that .. I'll give you soemthing that works better" .. and promptly gave me a scrip for ... wait for it .. penicillin ... didn't listen the fucker ... and I've never been back

Which is why I've also refused Aspergers/ADHD tests ...

I have never let the "health professionals" look after my health ... If they won't do what I want then I find one who will ...

[Oscar]

Yeah ... that's what I have seen ...



I still don't trrust the fuckers ... I recently went to a "specialist" with stomach problems .. he asked me what medication I was using and I said "sulpher-based drugs, because they seemed to work better that the penicillin" .. he said "we don't usually prescribe suplpher-based drugs for that .. I'll give you soemthing that works better" .. and promptly gave me a scrip for ... wait for it .. penicillin ... didn't listen the fucker ... and I've never been back

Which is why I've also refused Aspergers/ADHD tests ...

I have never let the "health professionals" look after my health ... If they won't do what I want then I find one who will ...

So when your appendix bursts....you're going to fix it yourself...?

[Banditbandit]

So when your appendix bursts....you're going to fix it yourself...?

That's a case of having to use them ... but I'll never trust them ... that's a choice between letting them operate or dying ... but afterwards . I'll do what I want about my recovery ...

Yeah I do use doctors .. but they are only a little better than witch doctors .. it's a black art .. no matter how much they try to tell you it's "science" ...

[Oscar]

That's a case of having to use them ... but I'll never trust them ... that's a choice between letting them operate or dying ... but afterwards . I'll do what I want about my recovery ...

Yeah I do use doctors .. but they are only a little better than witch doctors .. it's a black art .. no matter how much they try to tell you it's "science" ...

So you trust them to cut you open and fiddle with yer guts, but you won't take their word for how to avoid or treat infection?
Interesting.

Do you let them use anesthetics?
Isn't that "science"?

[Banditbandit]

So you trust them to cut you open and fiddle with yer guts, but you won't take their word for how to avoid or treat infection?
Interesting.

Do you let them use anesthetics?
Isn't that "science"?

No ... I have to let them cut me open .. or I die ... the first choice is a risk . the second one a certainty .. I'll take the risk thank you ...

I know how to avoid and treat infections .... and I don't believe that drugs are always the answer ... especially with increased, and increasing, antibotics-resistance amongst the happy little organisms that eat us ... (that doesn't mean I go for homeopathy - which is no more than magc as far as I can see) ... and I certainly don't want antibiotics for a virus (one tried to give me some a while ago and was offended when I laughed ... I wonder wheere he got his medical degree ... )

I have not "let them use anasthetics" since I was an adult - I've had no operations since I was about 12 years old ... Yeah that passes as "science" ...

I do let them stitch me up when I get badly cut ... but I watch them like a hawk ... and I take out my own stitches ... (Fuck they just cut and pull - I can do that just as easily )

A while ago the doctor told me my colesterol (spelling?) was too high and I had a 15% chance of a heart attack in the next 15 years .. I laughed .. he told me that was serious .. I told him I was on my bike sitting on 235 klicks on the Western Access Road around Taupo the previous weekend ... what did he reckon would kill me first? He put my file away and said "Go away and have a nice life ..."

[Edbear]

No ... I have to let them cut me open .. or I die ... the first choice is a risk . the second one a certainty .. I'll take the risk thank you ...

I know how to avoid and treat infections .... and I don't believe that drugs are always the answer ... especially with increased, and increasing, antibotics-resistance amongst the happy little organisms that eat us ... (that doesn't mean I go for homeopathy - which is no more than magc as far as I can see) ... and I certainly don't want antibiotics for a virus (one tried to give me some a while ago and was offended when I laughed ... I wonder wheere he got his medical degree ... )

I have not "let them use anasthetics" since I was an adult - I've had no operations since I was about 12 years old ... Yeah that passes as "science" ...

I do let them stitch me up when I get badly cut ... but I watch them like a hawk ... and I take out my own stitches ... (Fuck they just cut and pull - I can do that just as easily )

A while ago the doctor told me my colesterol (spelling?) was too high and I had a 15% chance of a heart attack in the next 15 years .. I laughed .. he told me that was serious .. I told him I was on my bike sitting on 235 klicks on the Western Access Road around Taupo the previous weekend ... what did he reckon would kill me first? He put my file away and said "Go away and have a nice life ..."

You seem to live for the here and now which is a youth "thing", but unfortunately for most of us we tend not to die early enough. We tend to live until our recklessness of youth catches up with us and we start suffering for our past.

I agree with your Doctor. I don't take health lightly and always do my own research and discuss issues with the Docs on their level, or as close to it as one can without the Degrees they have. I believe in personal responsibility and not to rely on others to tell me what to do, but if ever in doubt, I defer to the specialists. It's worked so far, but I've had some negative consequences from those who should have known better or listened.

[Banditbandit]

I've had some negative consequences from those who should have known better or listened.

See - right there ... after negative consequences you still trust them .. I don't ...

[Edbear]

See - right there ... after negative consequences you still trust them .. I don't ...

A nurse nearly killed me once by not listening to my wife.

Not implicitly, but I do listen and ask questions and do my own study. So far the only reason I am alive, is due to conventional medicine and Doctors.

I would certainly have died once if I'd listened to a Naturopath and not checked with my Doc!

[scissorhands]

yeah naturopaths are killing people with vitamins and minerals at an astonishing rate

[Banditbandit]

A nurse nearly killed me once by not listening to my wife.

Not implicitly, but I do listen and ask questions and do my own study.

Now you're agreeing with me ... m ake up your mind ...

[Edbear]

Now you're agreeing with me ... m ake up your mind ...

Well, let's just say I'm not as cynical and mistrusting as you are... :niceone:

[Banditbandit]

Well, let's just say I'm not as cynical and mistrusting as you are... :niceone:

Bwhahaha ... how do you know that ??? How do you know you are not overestimating my level of cynicism???

[scissorhands]

Autistics may be too trusting of others, and often end up as patsys and even framed by authorities, cops misread them/dislike them, relatives screw them out of dislike......

The stories are fucking heavy, many end in suicide and bullycide. None knew of aspergers much a few years back, even counsellors doctors and therapists fucked up autistics.... all the freaken time

Luckily for me, I have become cynical and mistrusting of others now, keep my head down, keep my own council, wear a hat and sunglasses, and avoid most people like the plague

All you others at home in front of your computer all day are a bit the same??

[scissorhands]

Autistics are often good at seeing patterns in things.

Warren Buffet uses this ability in share trading, whilst sport star quarterbacks and first fives 'read' the game, and make lightning fast decisions on which way the play will proceed.

Scientist's start to see the interconnectedness of reality and convey these observations to those who cannot

[Edbear]

Bwhahaha ... how do you know that ??? How do you know you are not overestimating my level of cynicism???

Just guessing from the tone of your posts, really... I could be wrong, of course!

[Drew]

Just guessing from the tone of your posts, really... I could be wrong, of course!From reading his posts I place him late thirties to mid forties, Maori, and not very fussed with society as a whole in it's current state.

But I doubt anyone on here who doesn't know me personally, has any accurate picture of me whatsoever. So if I meet this Bandit of bandits, I wont be too shocked whoever he really is.:laugh:

[scissorhands]

int there a phrase 'healthy cynicism?'
if more people had it NZ would be better off
but thats what i like about you Ed,
your always so nice
especially to your customers

[Banditbandit]

From reading his posts I place him late thirties to mid forties, Maori, and not very fussed with society as a whole in it's current state.

But I doubt anyone on here who doesn't know me personally, has any accurate picture of me whatsoever. So if I meet this Bandit of bandits, I wont be too shocked whoever he really is.:laugh:

Yeah .. pretty right ... 'cept I haven't seen my mid forties for more than 10 years ... I'm in my late 50s ... (That does shock a lot of people who I know .. they too think I am in my mid 40s ... )

[scissorhands]

Aspie's look younger longer, very good in a spouse

[Drew]

Aspie's look younger longer, very good in a spouseIs it Aspies who don't deal well with extreme emotions? Amongst other social difficulties of course.

Man, that took about a hundred friggin rewrites to be less offensive. I gotta go back to not giving a fuck!

[Akzle]

A nurse nearly killed me once by not listening to my wife.
don' you mean, she nearly killed you after listening to your wife??
i think you've some delusions about how many people want you alive, ed...

[mashman]

Is it Aspies who haven't learned how to deal well with extreme emotions? Amongst other social difficulties of course

Might have been nicer. Although if what you say is the case, then anyone who believes that being emotive is a bad thing, like so many on here, must suffers from Aspergers as well as just being utterly useless as human beings. I'm fuckin perfect, wish the rest of ya'll would catch up.

[Drew]

Might have been nicer. Although if what you say is the case, then anyone who believes that being emotive is a bad thing, like so many on here, must suffers from Aspergers as well as just being utterly useless as human beings. I'm fuckin perfect, wish the rest of ya'll would catch up.I only have the one emotion. RAGE! I show it lots, and look like a twat.

[mashman]

I only have the one emotion. RAGE! I show it lots, and look like a twat.

:rofl: so you're a mentally healthy person then with a full range of emotions that go from, stfu, stfu or ima gonna shout, you're not fuckin listening so here it is with increased volume? Sounds positive to me.

[Edbear]

don' you mean, she nearly killed you after listening to your wife??
i think you've some delusions about how many people want you alive, ed...

Hmmm... <_< Well my wife told me she was telling the nurse not to give me more Morphine as I had been overdosed on it and had to be given an anti-dote. The nurse was new on shift and hadn't known the situation, so she pumped more in causing my lungs to shut down and having to be rushed into ICU. It was very touch and go for a while!

That's her story, anyway... :confused:

[scissorhands]

Is it Aspies who don't deal well with extreme emotions? Amongst other social difficulties of course.

Man, that took about a hundred friggin rewrites to be less offensive. I gotta go back to not giving a fuck!

Some aspies are super mellow. Its labelled a dysregulation of emotion, so is not in proportion to the mainstream response. Society dictates a suitable response of anger. Too little is common too, as well as too much, amongst autistics.

Many aspies make poor parents, but many do good jobs but are less emotionally involved.

Levels of functioning seems to be best viewed in levels of emotional volatility, as this is when anger and autism become problematic, though most instances of violence are self harm injuries.

Autistics are often bullied, so anger issues may not always be authentic to them alone, but exist mainly from ignorance.

Teen shootings in the US show an aspie anger problem. But older independant aspie types would be considered much less antisocial than their neurotypical peers, as hormones have settled from youth, less stress at home from parents and siblings, not compounding the autistic imbalance further.

Often mild mannered accountants, librarians, scientists, engineers, are just in the background leading quiet lives, mastering their passions

[Akzle]

bacon?
. .

[Banditbandit]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/527016_10151497313798190_1836494793_n.jpg

[F5 Dave]

I'm not sure what the heck you are on about, but will you please stop it?

All I have is a box of mints until lunch time at 1 O'clock & you're making me hungry.

[mashman]

I found this an interesting read (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/suffer-the-children/201203/why-french-kids-dont-have-adhd). I wonder if this could "explain" some level of Autism/Aspergers?

[scissorhands]

I found this an interesting read (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/suffer-the-children/201203/why-french-kids-dont-have-adhd). I wonder if this could "explain" some level of Autism/Aspergers?

Nice articles thanks Mashy.

The French model is very different, and its not all good, as seen recently in the gay marriage riots. Autistics are routinely swaddled, packed and bound. The focus seems to be on tying up bad behaviours, via a dominance and dominion over the autistic child. I cant really comment much as I am not familiar with their methods. One thing is that the French gene pool has a MUCH lower incidence of ADHD and autism genes, royalty was given the boot, and the diet and lifestyle is conducive toward good health compared with the USA.

Also, French peeps who have mild autisms would most likely move to Germany or such where their autistic expression would be more common amongst the general population. The French etiquettes are a nightmare for auties

Maybe it is a better way of dealing with an autistic expression. Certainly the US pharmacological approach is crap and harmful to the patient.

Avoid the popular site "Wrong Planet", its highly corrupted by the US medical fraternity, and is profit focused for big pharma and quacks, as well as promoting harmful US government health policy

Hans Asperger denoted aspergers syndrome as affecting people of degenerated aristocracy, and since the French did some handiwork on their aristocrats, this may be relevant, when measuring occurrence of autisms amongst the population.

I have met many adhders and auties, and their definitely is a genetic component, rather than purely behavioural. Maybe the French have less autistic genes.....

Korea has the highest measured autism in the world. Like Germany it is a manufacturing giant with many engineers. The USA has around 60% of its population as having Germanic heritage

This site http://www.aspiestrategy.com/ is really good reading for autism articles, I highly recommend.

The premise that autisms are over diagnosed holds little water in NZ, where many children do not receive a diagnoses, when they should.

Many high profile murders in NZ have been committed by higher functioning autistics, yet no diagnoses or help was ever received, and these muderers struggled with themselves for many years before offending.

Many crimes in NZ could be prevented if more diagnoses were available. Many unhealthy babies could have been prevented if more genetic screening was available.

Early diagnoses is paramount. Without it everyone is in the dark and bad shit happens all round.

[scissorhands]

From cannabis club observations, many autistics gravitate toward cannabis use, as a relief from the pain of an autism minority in a neurotypical society.

They get born with an invisible disorder, doctors avoid diagnosing them, parents[autistic also] and teachers struggle with them, friends dont understand them, bullied at school, stress related problems from a young age manifesting as physical conditions and early disease, start smoking weed for relief, busted and convicted by the state, no job prospects, endless vicious circle.

However, only if intelligence is lacking.... intelligence allows the autie to figure it out for him/herself..... if they survive their youth and their society

Talk about a fucken shit sandwich from hell.




Whaleoilguy seems to have redeemed himself with a bit of good journalistic comment this time.

Buffering the pain of Social Exclusion with Marijuana

New evidence suggests that marijuana maybe popular because it helps people cope with the pain of loneliness.

Why smoke marijuana? Users would probably reply that numbed-out bliss is its own reward. But if smoothing out the harsh edges of reality is your goal, what bruises are you attempting to avoid?

Newly published research suggests that, at least for some, the answer is: The intense discomfort of social exclusion.

“Marijuana has been used to treat physical pain,” reports a research team led by University of Kentucky psychologist Timothy Deckman, “and the current findings suggest it may also reduce emotional pain.”

Interesting. Got me fascinated.

[D]ata on 5,631 Americans, who reported their level of loneliness, described their marijuana usage (if any), and assessed their mental health and feelings of self-worth. Not surprisingly, the researchers found a relationship between loneliness and feelings of self-worth, but it was significantly weaker for regular pot smokers.

“Marijuana use buffered the lonely from both negative self-worth and poor mental health,” the researchers write.

Another experiment, featuring 537 people, found those who were experiencing social pain were less likely to have suffered a major depression in the past year if they smoked pot relatively frequently.

Still another experiment, featuring 225 people, used the computer game Cyberball to create an immediate experience of social exclusion. Half the participants in the three-person game received the ball twice early on, and then never again during the course of the game. They then reacted to a series of statements designed to assess whether their need for self-esteem and belonging felt threatened—statements such as, “I had the feeling that the other players did not like me.”

The results: Those who smoked marijuana relatively frequently felt less threatened than those who smoked it less frequently, or not at all.

I’m very interested on the effect mitigating loneliness caused by severe depression.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/05/buffering-the-pain-of-social-exclusion-with-marijuana/

[F5 Dave]

What is concerning is if people turn to synthetic cannabis (if, as an uneducated wowser I can believe the trash reporting on 60 min or whatever I was channel surfing the other night) as it appears to be a considerably worse & more addictive drug.

On the other hand there is hope at least for the young. I attended an Altogether Autism meeting yesterday with a topic of transitioning kids into schooling system. While there are still people having troubles with schools, more & more are becoming cognisant & accepting of the needs differences so that kids that are wired differently are not left out of the system. There are some truly caring people out there trying to help & some are very effective.

Of course there are still the stories of parents battling people in the system who are just concerned with running a school under financial pressure so only want to know about the 95% of supposedly neurotypical kids (heck are any kids?).

From what I understand 20 odd years ago there was little help. My neighbour was a teacher & worked with severely disabled kids all bunched in together & indeed would have taken a strong & patient person, but that would have included only a person as the far end of the spectrum.

[scissorhands]

What is concerning is if people turn to synthetic cannabis (if, as an uneducated wowser I can believe the trash reporting on 60 min or whatever I was channel surfing the other night) as it appears to be a considerably worse & more addictive drug.

On the other hand there is hope at least for the young. I attended an Altogether Autism meeting yesterday with a topic of transitioning kids into schooling system. While there are still people having troubles with schools, more & more are becoming cognisant & accepting of the needs differences so that kids that are wired differently are not left out of the system. There are some truly caring people out there trying to help & some are very effective.

Of course there are still the stories of parents battling people in the system who are just concerned with running a school under financial pressure so only want to know about the 95% of supposedly neurotypical kids (heck are any kids?).

From what I understand 20 odd years ago there was little help. My neighbour was a teacher & worked with severely disabled kids all bunched in together & indeed would have taken a strong & patient person, but that would have included only a person as the far end of the spectrum.

Things are getting better thats true.
Maybe peeps bleating in forums, NZ herald comments, and challenging the state institutions has something to do with it...

I personally rub certain players up the wrong way to make sure they understand what I am protesting.

Walked out on 2 Gp's in the last month without paying, making sure reception understood my hurt at the lack of decent care. Many of the medical organisations I contact, have staff leave shortly after my bomb dropping critique of their lack of decent care

Everyday I try to make personal contact with someone from pertinent groups and the health industry and give them a rev up.

I've also made contact with NZ Police... but it pays to tread carefully as their is always the risk of upsetting one of them and they can kick your ass....

I met the guy who made the kiwi doco 'Mental Notes' a sort of 'one flew over the cuckoos nest' doco about mental institutions in NZ.... my leaving comments to him were that;
1little has changed
2incarnations of Nurse Ratshit are everywhere in the mental health industry
3abuse is still routinely occurring from bad therapists [the-rapist]
4state policy is harming too many people and costing taxpayers


I'm doing my bit to speed things along:banana:

[Edbear]

"There is no medical detection or cure for autism"

http://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism/facts-about-autism?gclid=CKaElNb8pbcCFcFhpQodtGAABA

So how do you diagnose a child?

Some interesting articles I found,

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00702-004-0115-1#
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=2E28963FA0690C1CB13222A F917CA13D.journals?fromPage=online&aid=4995132

Medical use of Marijuana...
http://www.autismsupportnetwork.com/news/autism-treatment-marijuana-madness-8763721

“Kevin calms down within five minutes of receiving it,” Hosseini said. “He is more responsive and verbal, asking more thoughtful questions. He sleeps through the night and doesn’t wake up. He has a good appetite. He is less resistant and more manageable and cooperative.”

On the downside, the mother says the child is sleepier in the day and requires a nap. She’s also noticed he’s become more self-centered. “At a Mexican restaurant (recently), he yelled to the waitress twice to bring him chips,” she says. “I mean yelled. Everyone was looking at us.”

Hosseini says she plans to continue giving Kevin medical marijuana, while closely monitoring his progress.



Read more: http://www.autismsupportnetwork.com/news/autism-treatment-marijuana-madness-8763721#ixzz2TstLVxGT"

[F5 Dave]

I think disturbing the brain's complex chemical reactions with an introduced drug and hoping for a good outcome is flying blind. Obviously there are cases where intervention is the best option, but inventing reasons to get stoned is crazy especially as there is more than anecdotal evidence cannabis use is damaging to a young minds development.


As an side most of the professionals I've met said ignore what's on the internet, there is heaps of misinformation on the subject out there. I tend to believe they aren't saying this to promote themselves as the fount of all knowledge & they certainly aren't getting rich, but it must be frustrating if you see lots of misinformation on a subject you are passionate about. Heck don't even start me on MMR vaccine smear campaign. Heck there are still people out there who promote candling ear wax.

[scissorhands]

The best part about cannabis compared to SSRI et al
is that weed is safe
while pharmac head drugs are not

Even a glass of beer or wine is usually better than that shit

http://ssristories.com/

[scissorhands]

I think disturbing the brain's complex chemical reactions with an introduced drug and hoping for a good outcome is flying blind. Obviously there are cases where intervention is the best option, but inventing reasons to get stoned is crazy.

most damage is caused by environmental heavy metals, birth trauma, conceptions from too old or unwell badly feed breeders.... then you wish to deny the sick child??

so you say no to all herbs/medicines?
cannabis is much safer that doctor prescribed drugs from pharmac....

getting stoned is not crazy
avoiding treatments with safe supplements
due to societally emotive programming
sounds crazier dude....

would you not use an injector cleaner?
a de-sludging additive in your sump?
detergent to remove oil?
a disinfectant?

let food be your medicine and medicine be your food.....

peeps dont need cake or coffee either
no more beer??

[F5 Dave]

I edited this bit in later

. . especially as there is more than anecdotal evidence cannabis use is damaging to a young minds development.


Heck I'm certainly no expert.

[scissorhands]

in small amounts with supervision I would say weed is much safer than many medicines already given to children

have you ever sat in a room full of peeps who were given ritalin as a child?
immunity ruined by antibiotics?
routinely feeding children junk foods in 95% of NZ homes??

now thats crazy

[scissorhands]

I must say even a mild form of Aspergers makes my life difficult at the least. People don’t know why you think the way you do especially when something is obvious to them. I know everyone has a world view or bubble that they see the world from and it is shaped from their experiences in life. It is always hard to see something from the view of someone else. I have destroyed a relationship because I could not always deal with the way life worked and I could not get my thoughts and feelings across. Worst of all I was told I was emotionless when I just couldn’t express what I was feeling and thinking. This is tearing me up inside and makes me start to hate myself. I respect the people who work with someone with a condition that makes them different in the worlds eyes.

I can certainly relate to your experience. However, I try not to hate myself at all, some people around me have enough hate for me as it is....:laugh:

Couple of nights back I was drinking a beer with some neighbours, and they had been gossiping about me and ganged up on me.
One of my biggest issues is being a smart arse, which causes a crisis of ego in less bright others. So, to compensate, the other will slap me down in front of the pack.
I used to let it happen, but nowadays I squint my eyes and lay into them a bit. I try to give it back at least 3 fold and tend to enjoy the conflict if they deserve it.
The ring leader is a bit of prick who gets drunk and disses his own dad and girlfriend behind their backs.... was kicked out of a provincial town.... hes a gossiping bully, two faced and back stabbing.
Many male groups are held together by this type of male, who instils fear of exclusion into lowerlings, and is sharp tongued and full of guile, which we aspies are not.

Usually its a no win situation with groups or even one on one. But I refuse to dislike myself for being different than others, and not conforming to or fitting in with pack politics.

Society plays a big part in the problems of higher functioning types. As we are in the minority, ill equipped to argue our point, and not meant to, in as yet unfathomable ways......

its easy to feel like a nigger at a clan rally:devil2:

[scissorhands]

I found this an interesting read (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/suffer-the-children/201203/why-french-kids-dont-have-adhd). I wonder if this could "explain" some level of Autism/Aspergers?


This below thread is an american forum reply to your query

Autism in France: Psychoanalysis, Packing, Other Travesties
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt187047.html

[mashman]

This below thread is an american forum reply to your query

Autism in France: Psychoanalysis, Packing, Other Travesties
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt187047.html

PACKING :shit:... why are people so scared of being proven wrong? Surely it's a good thing to treat the many properly than to deny relevant treatment because some fuckin idiot got a qualification and decided that they could not be proven wrong about their specialist subject.

Fuckin hell we're still ignorant savages.

[scissorhands]

My heart goes to parents with autistic children. That is truly hard work.



My ass family were hard work.

I was a quiet well behaved kid. Got the strap ONCE ONLY

Metalwork shop monitor and science lab monitor at high school.
When 10yrs old the teacher would let me out 15minutes early EVERYDAY!! to walk out of the school, and down the road 300meters, to buy her lunch from the local shopping centre

She trusted me over all the other students.....

:angry::angry::angry:I GOT FUCKED UP BY MY RETARDED FAMILY:angry::angry::angry:

but yeah my heart goes out to some parent too, but many brought it upon themselves by indiscriminate BREEDING

[scissorhands]

PACKING :shit:... why are people so scared of being proven wrong? Surely it's a good thing to treat the many properly than to deny relevant treatment because some fuckin idiot got a qualification and decided that they could not be proven wrong about their specialist subject.

Fuckin hell we're still ignorant savages.


the french are sort of the winston peters of the world stage
I would not get too upset with them as possible protagonist/antagonist is really quite hard to decipher from all the bullshit surrounding modern medicine:yes:

[Banditbandit]

My ass family were hard work.

I was a quiet well behaved kid. Got the strap ONCE ONLY

Metalwork shop monitor and science lab monitor at high school.
When 10yrs old the teacher would let me out 15minutes early EVERYDAY!! to walk out of the school, and down the road 300meters, to buy her lunch from the local shopping centre

She trusted me over all the other students.....

:angry::angry::angry:I GOT FUCKED UP BY MY RETARDED FAMILY:angry::angry::angry:

but yeah my heart goes out to some parent too, but many brought it upon themselves by indiscriminate BREEDING


Bwhahahah "indiscriminate breeding" .. that idea amuses me ..

But my family were very hard work too ... so were my school colleagues (I can't call them friends) and then my work colleagues ... I've always been the different one (and guess what happens to "differnet" people at school and at work ) ... I've been the outsider all my life ... even riding bikes with the bad boys - true outsiders themselves - I was the one who "talked too posh" or was too intellegent ...

Now - I like my outsider status and I play on it ... it amuses me .. the world amuses me ... I like watching people's reactions ... sometimes I can play them like a violin ... sometimes I think the world was created for my own amusement ... but I think that is way too psychpathic ... and I'm, not that serious about that idea ..

[nodrog]

I thought this thread was going to be about Robots, disapointing!

[scissorhands]

Bwhahahah "indiscriminate breeding" .. that idea amuses me ..

But my family were very hard work too ... so were my school colleagues (I can't call them friends) and then my work colleagues ... I've always been the different one (and guess what happens to "differnet" people at school and at work ) ... I've been the outsider all my life ... even riding bikes with the bad boys - true outsiders themselves - I was the one who "talked too posh" or was too intellegent ...

Now - I like my outsider status and I play on it ... it amuses me .. the world amuses me ... I like watching people's reactions ... sometimes I can play them like a violin ... sometimes I think the was created for my own amusement ... but I think that is way too psychpathic ... and I'm, not that serious about that idea ..

Thats pretty deep man....

As a kid I used to think the stork dropped me at the wrong place. As an young adult I used to think I was sent here to change the world....

I have a vivid memory of one particular day sitting at the table eating dinner with the family. I was 8 or 9 yrs old, was bored as fuck, so I told them a dirty joke that I heard at school... should have seen the looks on their faces, priceless

I'm without a muse at the moment..... and desperate for something new to hold my attention, bit like you Banditbandit I guess.... both here on KB, trying to make the world a better place... because the outside world had no place for peeps like us.

Many times I have tried to improve things like the environment and welfare of animals and people... and it usually ends with me getting shit for my efforts

Fucking sad state of affairs I reckon. Its going to be weird when my 7 donor kids come to met their sperm donor dad [it will start happening in 5 years time....]... what shall I tell them?

The world will fuck you up? Run away like me? Become a stoner and apathetic? I feel sorry for them and wish I had never donated sperm but I cant say that... aaargh poor suffering children....:facepalm:

[scissorhands]

I thought this thread was going to be about Robots, disapointing!

Do we sound like robots to you? You spelt disappointing wong

[mashman]

the french are sort of the winston peters of the world stage
I would not get too upset with them as possible protagonist/antagonist is really quite hard to decipher from all the bullshit surrounding modern medicine:yes:

I guess we're too preoccupied with being happy that we have an answer to accept the contrary answers. Very disappointing.


I thought this thread was going to be about Robots, disapointing!

On hats's the dickslexus treadh

[nodrog]

Do you mental cunts think its a good idea for you to be riding around on motorcycles?

[mashman]

Do you mental cunts think its a good idea for you to be riding around on motorcycles?

Well I'm sweet coz I drive a two wheeled car.

[Banditbandit]

Do you mental cunts think its a good idea for you to be riding around on motorcycles?

Fuck Yeah ... you should be aware that many Aspergers people are risk takers ... and have short attention spans ... motorcycle riding is forever changing .. no way do I get bored on a bike ... 40 years of riding and I'm still here .. alive and riding many other can't say the same ...

It's all you neurotypicals I worry about ... coming the other way, day-dreaming, changing the music on the I-pod .. checking the GPS to make sure you still no where you are ... DANGEROUS ...

I don't give a fuck where I am .. I know I am on a bike and the bike is on the road ... and the world is going passed and forever changing ... and that's all that matters ...

Do you neorotypical people think it's a good idea that you are allowed out by yourselves? I mean .. look at all the shit you cause in the world ..

[nodrog]

http://prutsfm.nl/prutsfm/uploads/2012/04/Toen-Nu-Corky-Uit-Life-Goes-On-1.jpg

[scissorhands]

Do you mental cunts think its a good idea for you mentals to be riding around on motorcycles?

Ask Burt, nz's most famous motorcyclist.

BB and I may be very high functioning types.....
Hyperfocus and practise is our speciality, thats what makes genii.
Hard work and concentration.

[mashman]

How would you know if you were an Aspie or not?

[nodrog]

How come anybody of notoritity in this country had to be retarded?

[scissorhands]

How come anybody of notoritity in this country had to be retarded?

History remembers retards more than socially apt breeders. Breeders are just cannon fodder for history

Einstein
tesla
newton
Ford
Gates
Buffet
Munroe
Carter
McCaw
Beethoven
Mozart
Tiger Woods
Andy irons
meads
.....

To succeed on the world stage a social life is a hindrance,

[scissorhands]

How would you know if you were an Aspie or not?

You may be near the spectrum or more AHDH me thinks

google
autism test
adhd test
schizophrenia test
OCD test
apraxia test
tourettes test
psychopathy test
sociopathy test
dyslexia test
borderline personality disorder
post traumatic stress disorder

it goes on.... wiki: pervasive development disorders

I'm guessing 1 in 10 NZers are somewhere quite near.
Koreans may be 1 in 5
Yanks 1 in 7
Samoans 1 in 30 [half castes 1 in 3]
Maori [because of interbreeding with retards from england] 1 in 5

Honkies who breed outside their culture are most likely, apart from low functioning types who may not breed at all

[mashman]

You may be near the spectrum or more AHDH me thinks

google
autism test
adhd test
schizophrenia test
OCD test
apraxia test
tourettes test
psychopathy test
sociopathy test
dyslexia test
borderline personality disorder
post traumatic stress disorder

it goes on.... wiki: pervasive development disorders

I'm guessing 1 in 10 NZers are somewhere quite near.
Koreans may be 1 in 5
Yanks 1 in 7
Samoans 1 in 30 [half castes 1 in 3]
Maori [because of interbreeding with retards from england] 1 in 5

Honkies who breed outside they're culture are most likely

I'm English and married a Scot so that may explain a few things. My mum was over at new year and she was concerned that my middle kid is mildly autistic. I've had similar thoughts myself, but then again she's only 7.

As for me. I could give a fuck. I am what I am, a diagnosis isn't going to mean a thing.

Cheers for the info.

[oneofsix]

I'm English and married a Scot so that may explain a few things. My mum was over at new year and she was concerned that my middle kid is mildly autistic. I've had similar thoughts myself, but then again she's only 7.

As for me. I could give a fuck. I am what I am, a diagnosis isn't going to mean a thing.

Cheers for the info.

Father English, mother Scots and a middle child, she's just confused about her position in life. :yes: ;) Just hope neither mother or daughter are red-heads. :lol:

[mashman]

Father English, mother Scots and a middle child, she's just confused about her position in life. :yes: ;) Just hope neither mother or daughter are red-heads. :lol:

:rofl:... Aye, she's 7 and squished between 2 strong willed sisters (definitely their mother, irrespective of her protestations to the contrary). No redheads, just a normally cranky household full of women.

[scissorhands]

I'm English and married a Scot so that may explain a few things. My mum was over at new year and she was concerned that my middle kid is mildly autistic. I've had similar thoughts myself, but then again she's only 7.

As for me. I could give a fuck. I am what I am, a diagnosis isn't going to mean a thing.

Cheers for the info.

Early detection is key to wellbeing......... just keep her away from the system is all.

Lots of greens and socialists are near, as well as scientists and engineers and MOTORCYCLISTS

Youtube aspergers girl and watch some of the vids of teenage girls [some are nice looking!!] you will pickup on the vibe and see correlation or not

many art school girls around here in grey lynn and k road are near the spectrum
aspies migrate to this suburb to be around their own
I came here subconsciously 20yrs ago....

[mashman]

Early detection is key to wellbeing......... just keep her away from the system is all.

Lots of greens and socialists are near, as well as scientists and engineers and MOTORCYCLISTS

Youtube aspergers girl and watch some of the vids of teenage girls [some are nice looking!!] you will pickup on the vibe and see correlation or not

many art school girls around here in grey lynn and k road are near the spectrum
aspies migrate to this suburb to be around their own
I came here subconsciously 20yrs ago....

I've got an eye open... but I've seen a lot of shitty kids over the years, I were one, and understand that even the "normal" kids can be exceptionally cunty... and to be honest, like most of them, they manipulate situations to their own ends so it'll likely be hard to tell. The big ? was that she really didn't handle change well for the first 18 months of school. But that's sorted.

Friends of friends have a diagnose 19yr old Aspie and to be honest I get on with him fine and don't really get the vibe that he's socially awkward.

Will have a google later though :yes:.

Time to go home :D

[Banditbandit]

many art school girls around here in grey lynn and k road are near the spectrum
aspies migrate to this suburb to be around their own
I came here subconsciously 20yrs ago....

Fuck ... hard core Aspies tend to drive me fucking insane ... especially the hyper ones ... I'd move if I was you ...

Quite some time ago (talking years here ..) I decided it just wasn't worth the hassle of letting all my shit happen ... like my inbuilt OCD drive for neatness ... I could either go insane trying to keep everythig in its place ... or say WTF .. just cruise ... and that's the option I took. My work desk used to be covered in so much stuff and I only ever cleared it off when it fell on the keyboard and I couldn't type any more .. people used to ask "why don't you keep your desk clearer?" But for me the options were either a total mess or a rigidly controlled desk where I would make sure, with a ruler, that everything was exactly right ...

I refused to let the OCD loose .. so I had a mess of a desk ..

But what happened was that everything else just seemed to disappear .. I could actually cruise and not get frustrated about stuff .. not try to force everything into what I wanted ... not freak out because the pattern was broken, or the timetable went off ... or the routine was not there .. you know this stuff ... But refusing the let my OCD loose somehow changed things internally ...

I don't know what the hell happened ... but it worked and I'm still sane (well, relatively) and functioning ...

[leathel]

My Son was diagnosed with reasonably mild Asperger's , with a couple of other things to help things along. I was a bit anti the tests but he would have been suspended from school without some reasoning to what he did, he was always fine with me, I could calm him down if he lost control and new most of his triggers.....

But we discovered a few new things and they gave him some "Tools" to help himself... and let him know how to handle the triggers better and now for the most part you wouldn't know

New things can be a struggle but if you can prepare him he handles them fine...

I still think his Mother overuses the term but I can see benefit in the tests they do to pick up what degree they are affected and what the strengths are

He has a great mind especially with maths.... now to get him to use it :facepalm:

[mashman]

You may be near the spectrum or more AHDH me thinks

I had a little looky at a couple of Autism and ADD/ADHD/AHDH tests and I'm neither supposedly. At school I had issue with 1 subject, English Interpretation. My Teacher clicked it pretty much straight away, but there really was nothing either of us could do about it and it exists to this day. I had numerous possibilities to offer as an answer, but never directly answered the question. We didn't know why and it wasn't really a concern, so I failed English happily. Over the years I've come to realise that I probably needed more info before offering an answer. Dunno what the hell you'd call that, but it comes in handy when thinking things through. I guess I am, at minimum, allistic bordering in neurotypical.

Might I inquire as to why you thought I may be near the spectrum or ADHD?

Reckons tonight's story is going to be an Autism test for ma gal.

[Banditbandit]

IAt school I had issue with 1 subject, English Interpretation. My Teacher clicked it pretty much straight away, but there really was nothing either of us could do about it and it exists to this day. l.


Bwhahaha ... I basically failed English at school ... Sure I could read and write fine .. (in fact I still read like a train ... and have no trouble writing) and at least one school wanted to publish stuff I wrote ..

But anyway .. I failed English ... later on I became a journalist - PAID to write stories for radio, television adn newspapers ... I was a paid writer ... what does that tell you about English in schools?

So ... I have little or no respect for English teachers ... You were lucky you had that one teacher ..

[Akzle]

He has a great mind especially with maths.... now to get him to use it :facepalm:

don't try. you can't. basically, find what he wants to do and encourage that path as much as possible, because he's not going to give two flying fucks if you try and push him off it into something "mainsteam" or "normal"

[mashman]

Bwhahaha ... I basically failed English at school ... Sure I could read and write fine .. (in fact I still read like a train ... and have no trouble writing) and at least one school wanted to publish stuff I wrote ..

But anyway .. I failed English ... later on I became a journalist - PAID to write stories for radio, television adn newspapers ... I was a paid writer ... what does that tell you about English in schools?

So ... I have little or no respect for English teachers ... You were lucky you had that one teacher ..

heh heh heh... I was told I wrote very interesting stories with Miss C (hawt wee blondy) recommending that I wrote kids stories. Aye, Mr L was exceptional, in fact that school had a few very good teachers... ya know, they ones that treat you like a human being and that would have a chat for chatting sake every now and then.

:rofl: glad they never put you to work on whatever it is you use that causes so many spelling mistakes in your name :innocent:

[oldrider]

I am highly sceptical of the vaccination industry and the programs they inflict upon children! (or anyone else)

Not at odds with the principals of vaccination just the secret ingredients that are included in these commercial vaccines! I.E. Mercury etc!

Sound outrageous to you?

Take a look at the statistics on patient damage/death/medical misadventure from our own healthcare, hospitals etc.

Doesn't get as much publicity as the road toll but you might be surprised which one is the highest? :mellow:

[scissorhands]

Might I inquire as to why you thought I may be near the spectrum or ADHD?



Just that your such a prolific poster, hyperactivity comes to mind when I think of you. Maybe it was just the cocaine speaking I dunno. Also the unruly grammar, auties tend to be meticulous whilst ADHDers are all over the place


I am highly sceptical of the vaccination industry and the programs they inflict upon children! (or anyone else)

Not at odds with the principals of vaccination just the secret ingredients that are included in these commercial vaccines! I.E. Mercury etc!

Sound outrageous to you?

Take a look at the statistics on patient damage/death/medical misadventure from our own healthcare, hospitals etc.

Doesn't get as much publicity as the road toll but you might be surprised which one is the highest? :mellow:

Glad you brought up vaccination Oldrider. It got thrown out recently and the Lancet withdrew a published study and Dr Andrew Wakefield was discredited and disrobed.

However, the net is full of stories of woe of vaccination injury of children.

Parental stories of kids reacting to vaccinations and never being the same again are rife

I could have been one of those statistics last year when a GP wanted me to take fluoetine prozac, only 1 month after a moderate concussion. Idiot

The depression was concussion related..... also I was full of societal anger for never being DXed[diagnosed]..... even after reaching out for help and guidance many times. An SSRI like prozac would have been a major problem for me at that time

Third highest cause of death in NZ is medical misadventure:angry:

Then there is mercury fillings, junk food, water supplies, air quality and other exposures.

Polynesian genetic expression is so much better than honky because first world poisons are still very new to them.

Maori got fucked over big time, half dying in the flu epidemic 100yrs ago, whilst the remainder cross bred with affected honky, who could not marry within their own culture because no white woman would have their retarded dick inside them:shit:

Slowly, polys they are catching up with whitey with genetic degradation caused by environmental factors such as pollutants, exposures to radiation, processed foods and toxic medicines

All these stresses become cumulative and chip away at a healthy person over time. Tick tick tick

But genes and immigration are a primary cause too. Even in a healthy environment not every offspring will be well, its just the way it is.... But modern living has upped the numbers of sick babies

Peeps who may never have breed, can jump on a plane and marry because they are now wealthy with status in a new land.

Warfare and predators took care of weak genes. Now they get replicated thanks to planes and boats:yes:

Sedentary lifestyles dont help either

[Akzle]

I am highly sceptical of the vaccination industry and the programs they inflict upon children! (or anyone else)

like.. well duh!



anyway, i took one of those aspie tests and i'm only 119% aspie. or was it 19%.. don't know. numbers aren't my thing... :P



//it was 119/200, so i'm just a bit aspie, according to the internets.

[mashman]

Just that your such a prolific poster, hyperactivity comes to mind when I think of you. Maybe it was just the cocaine speaking I dunno. Also the unruly grammar, auties tend to be meticulous whilst ADHDers are all over the place

Fair enough, I see the same when I read it back sometimes... but just because an online test doesn't highlight it, doesn't mean that it isn't so eh.

[scissorhands]

don't try. you can't. basically, find what he wants to do and encourage that path as much as possible, because he's not going to give two flying fucks if you try and push him off it into something "mainsteam" or "normal"

herding cats comes to mind with auties

actually the toxoplasmosis parasite from felines has been indicated in autisms and other neurological problems

indeed, studies are saying the brain parasite from cats can form the character of a whole nation

just look at the French..... mad fucks are the biggest cat lovers in the world and consume undercooked rare meats containing live bugs not killed by the heat of cooking properly

US military have studied the parasite in terms of biological warfare

whats got into you???
whats eating you???
whats up your ass???

what doesnt kill you does not always make you stronger, and in fact can make your babies quite sick

[scissorhands]

Fair enough, I see the same when I read it back sometimes... but just because an online test doesn't highlight it, doesn't mean that it isn't so eh.

the tests are not infallible
look for clues in many places with many opinions and coagulate the results to produce a likelihood profile and run with viable options for confirmation's

you could take her to a kids meeting at autismnz and met the other kids and just watch them and see what happens

really tho..... many of the regular posters here on KB are very near.....

[F5 Dave]

Wakefield was a crook and cooked the results to earn 300 k from a competing pharmaceutical group. Only 12 kids in the MMR study and all with issues to start with.

Vacs happen about the same time as the autism bomb hits so get blame for shit loads. Do some research and it will be clear

[Madness]

... just because an online test doesn't highlight it, doesn't mean that it isn't so eh.

Beware internet self-diagnosis. I was actually embarrassed when the doctor at the after-hours clinic scoffed at my anal cancer scare last year. I felt a lot better once the ointment took effect mind you :facepalm:

[scissorhands]

Wakefield was a crook and cooked the results to earn 300 k from a competing pharmaceutical group. Only 12 kids in the MMR study and all with issues to start with.

Vacs happen about the same time as the autism bomb hits so get blame for shit loads. Do some research and it will be clear

research? is that you Ed? yeah all done and dusted now eh....


Beware internet self-diagnosis. I was actually embarrassed when the doctor at the after-hours clinic scoffed at my anal cancer scare last year. I felt a lot better once the ointment took effect mind you :facepalm:

the strike rate for internet self diagnoses is prolly about the same as with a qualified doctor
comes down to smarts, doctors or intern nettors
got any of that ointment left? I feel a bit of ass cancer cuming on tonight...
might go up to ponsonby road to have that looked at

Transsexuals and gays are often close to the spectrum.... except hairy eyebrowed toms with sausages in their nose

[mashman]

the tests are not infallible
look for clues in many places with many opinions and coagulate the results to produce a likelihood profile and run with viable options for confirmation's

you could take her to a kids meeting at autismnz and met the other kids and just watch them and see what happens

really tho..... many of the regular posters here on KB are very near.....

I'll keep a little eye on things and see how she goes as she is changing, but I;ll do a wee bit of research too. ta muchly.


Beware internet self-diagnosis. I was actually embarrassed when the doctor at the after-hours clinic scoffed at my anal cancer scare last year. I felt a lot better once the ointment took effect mind you :facepalm:

No fuckin way. I thought I'd get the answers I need for sure... and please keep your arse stories to yourself, some of us have healthy imaginations.

[mashman]

'Support site' my fucken negated ass:mad:

Sounds like KB.

[scissorhands]

.I once had the privilege to briefly work alongside American animal behaviour specialist Temple Grandin. I learned a lot about animal behaviour and gained some poignant insights into autism.


well Hitcher her mother is a nasty bitch thats for sure, check the comments on these news items:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/05/autism-and-child-pornography-a-toxic-combination.html

Autism and Child Pornography: A Toxic Combination
Aug 5, 2013 4:45 AM EDT
It’s a disturbing trend we cannot ignore. Eustacia Cutler, mother of autism advocate Temple Grandin, on why autistic men are viewing child pornography—and being labeled sex offenders.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2013/08/05/temple-grandins-mother-links-autism-with-viewing-child-pornography/

“It’s a disturbing trend we cannot ignore” begins what I can only describe as a hit piece on autistic men penned by none other than Temple Grandin’s mother, Eustacia Cutler, for the Daily Beast. I call the article, entitled “A Toxic Autism Secret,” a hit piece because it weaves without an iota of evidence a horror story of unfathered autistic men trapped in a preadolescence of sexuality that leads them to pursue child pornography as a salve for their sexual urges. As if it weren’t egregious enough to imply all of this–again, without an iota of evidence–Cutler also introduces that debunked “divorce rates of 90%” in autism families and tosses in some infantilization of grown autistic men while she’s at it.





I worry about how the world will treat him as he grows into an adult. People wont see the same young man that his family do.

It seems worry may be prudent, as the new right attacks fringe groups of vulnerable people with disabilities

Greece, Turkey and Russia are really giving vulnerable outsiders, prostitutes and gays a hard time this year. Religion being the common ingredient behind these hate policy's.... coming to a town near you:(