ARE L PLATE SPEEDS SAFE ON THE OPEN RD

[hondacmx450]

comeing back from Bruces passing to day from auckland to hamilton was slow scary and bloody borring cars wanting to push you of the road and get past (i moved over were i could) trucks man that was scarry 70kph on the open road and the sing says 80 what do you do mmm what do ya think am i being a baby you try doing 70 next time and see what you think i think 80 is good :chase:

[Blackadda]

I agree mate.... bloody silly. I'm two weeks away from full on and always thought the whole Learner speed was stupid. I mean your allowed on the Mway, but only allowed to do 70.... suicide!

[mattt]

Common sense really isn't it? If it says 100 do 100 or I will run you over :oi-grr: :motu:

[Blackadda]

And what Govt agency do you think has an common sense............................

[Hitcher]

I recommend that your L plate "snaps off" somehow, unexplainedly...

In my experience, riding on the open road while sporting an L plate is just asking for trouble. Some cagers need extreme psychotherapy...

[Blackadda]

Geeze it wuz there when I left home orificer, must of blown off when that big turck passed me. Very dangerous when big trucks pass you. Ever ridden a bike orificer..... have a nice day!

[scumdog]

I have drunk enough 'alcamahol' to remove 5 years of Brass Monkey stickers and I don't give a fat rats arse what you think!!!!

[bugjuice]

L plates can fall off you know.. stay with the traffic, else you'll just get squashed by the traffic, and that's really no fun.. Cops recognise this, so don't draw attention on the road, and you'll be fine

[Storm]

In a word -no

[Beemer]

If you were a little old lady doing 70kph you'd have every person behind you pissed off - and considering you don't have the protection of a car around you, it puts your life in danger. I think it is ridiculous because the majority of motorists are unaware you are restricted to 70kph (learner in a car aren't) and tend to have very little patience even if they do see an L-plate.

I was lucky enough to learn before they used those hideous big yellow plates - I was given a white one with a red L on it that was about 50mm by 80mm. Tucked up very nicely under the number plate, I just had to remember to clean it when I needed to display it!

[Calo]

What's an L-plate? :rofl: :whistle:

[thehollowmen]

yes, very dangerous.

Blind corner, 70km/h and a possum wanna-be in a subaru comes up behind at 100+km/h and whoa that's a big shock, and brown trowsers moment on everybody's part.

[Gremlin]

I am currently on my learners, and once I had learnt to ride, I don't think there has been a single day when I haven't broken the 70 rule.

In my opinion its bloody dangerous, unnecessarily annoys motorists, who in turn try to do stupid things endangering you even more.

The way I see it, travel at the speed around you, don't do stupid things, and don't draw attention to yourself and you should be fine. I haven't been pulled over yet, passed plenty of coppers and nothing has happened. Apparently some police do see the 70 as silly as well, so who knows.

And I still continue to use my L plate all the time. I reckon that if I get a nasty cop, my chances are better on the 70, rather than the L plate requirement.

[SPman]

Anyone got an L plate they don't want - need one for the Gixxer.
Want to study the psychology of motorists . . . . . . . .:sherlock:

[steved]

I am currently on my learners, and once I had learnt to ride, I don't think there has been a single day when I haven't broken the 70 rule.

In my opinion its bloody dangerous, unnecessarily annoys motorists, who in turn try to do stupid things endangering you even more.

The way I see it, travel at the speed around you, don't do stupid things, and don't draw attention to yourself and you should be fine. I haven't been pulled over yet, passed plenty of coppers and nothing has happened. Apparently some police do see the 70 as silly as well, so who knows.

And I still continue to use my L plate all the time. I reckon that if I get a nasty cop, my chances are better on the 70, rather than the L plate requirement.
Pretty much my take also.

[hondacmx450]

Anyone got an L plate they don't want - need one for the Gixxer.
Want to study the psychology of motorists . . . . . . . .:sherlock:
i think you should have a w p plate on the frount of your bike hahahahaha
watch out padestians
nice gsxr 1000 man pity it went down

[Pancakes]

SP, I've got a plate you can have.

I do the same speed as the surrounding traffic (up to about 110) and none of the cops I've passed/had pass me have ever looked twice. I went for a ride with a guy (he was on a 150 Belladonna) in my lunch on Wednesday and he can only do about 80k's. That was the scariest ride of my life, going over the bridge at 80 and it's an 80 zone! That definately would be the most dangerous driving law in NZ. Anyone who tried to obey it could be forgiven for being too intimidated to keep riding.

[madboy]

Good luck to you riding at 70km/h on the open road. No disrespect intended given the circumstances, but it'd be your funeral next. It's far safer going with the flow as those before me have said. Most cops recognise that.

[Str8 Jacket]

THe first time I went on the motorway with my L plate, i did no less than 95-100. Then I took my L plate of, I definately felt like a target, when I had it and that wasn't just because of the cagers either . . . .

[Charlie]

THe first time I went on the motorway with my L plate, i did no less than 95-100. Then I took my L plate of, I definately felt like a target, when I had it and that wasn't just because of the cagers either . . . .

Ditto. My L plate "fell" off ages ago. The few times I had it on, cars sat so far up my back it wasnt funny - and I was doing 90-100k. Was so dangerous! They see that L and they just wanna get in front of it whether your holding them up of not. Since taking it off I've had no pressure from other drivers.

Agree that so long as you dont draw attention to yourself and do the traffic speed the cops will let you be. Surely they see your far less of a hazard that way!
:nono:

[Eurygnomes]

Hey SP! Bess is the name of the new gixer right? As in "Black Bess"? Dick Turpins steed? "Terror of the Highways"?

(sorry for the off-topic...)

I only put my L-plate on for the restricted course that I sat on Wednesday. Even then it did actually come off my bike (so I had to borrow one from the instructor - bulldog clip and epoxy for those wanting secure/temporary ones).

The only time I"ve travelled at 70 on the open road was on teh course, and on the way back from the course (feels a lot safer sticking to 70 when there's 4 or 6 bikes with L-plates on and we're wearing giant, bright "rider training" vests). The rest of the time, I stay with the traffic.

I figure if a cop pulls me over for speeding, I'll take it on the chin, having proposed my theory that in order to remain safe, and bearing in mind that safety should be the number one priority for any motorist - let alone motorcyclist, I am required to move with the traffic to minimise the speed differential.

That is, if I can formulate words at all...I get all tongue-tied in the presence of authority!

[loosebruce]

. It's far safer going with the flow as those before me have said. Most cops recognise that.

Ditto that, i think if you asked most cops about it they wouldn't pull you for doing 100kph in a 100kph, 70kph in a 100kph is dangeous to you and other road users.

What happened to ya Streetfighter mate, didnt really get a chance to talk to ya yesterday. if ya free tomorrow rock on up 22 and meet up with us.

[Smorg]

This subject has been repeated on so many threads and so i'll say my piece like always...........
Dont wear your L's its a waste of time and makes you a target(if a cop pulls you up it "fell" off)

Doing 70k is just as scary as doing 130 in traffic just match the speed of those around you and "she'll be right mate" :Punk:

[froggyfrenchman]

too bloody dangerous! ripped the missis l plate off and told her to do atleast 80!

[SPman]

Hey SP! Bess is the name of the new gixer right? As in "Black Bess"? Dick Turpins steed? "Terror of the Highways"?

You got it!
Will go through a "more blackification" program soon, if I can be stuffed.

[madboy]

Doing 70k is just as scary as doing 130 in traffic just match the speed of those around you and "she'll be right mate" :Punk:I beg to differ - 130k on a GN would be a lot scarier than 70k... for a start, the wind buffeting from the faster vehicle required to tow you up to that speed would surely scare the pants of a learner!

[hondacmx450]

Ditto that, i think if you asked most cops about it they wouldn't pull you for doing 100kph in a 100kph, 70kph in a 100kph is dangeous to you and other road users.

What happened to ya Streetfighter mate, didnt really get a chance to talk to ya yesterday. if ya free tomorrow rock on up 22 and meet up with us.
streetfighter for sale got something else comeing in to the garage faster than any thing iv been on befor or will again
any one want a bike buy mine

[myvice]

Who ever came up with that 70k rule should be done for involuntary manslaughter at the very least!
Punished by being dragged down the motorway at 70 k's an hour!

[Ms Piggy]

...No.

But, technically you're only meant to be on your L Plate for 6 months & it's supposed to be a "learning" period and you're supposed to use the back roads, not the motorway (as told by the cop who pulled me over & pinged me for speeding) for transporting yourself & bike.

Of course when I 1st rode I wore my L Plate & went 100kms on the open road & wasn't pulled over ever.

[Skyryder]

Have not read all the posts on this so if someone else has responded iin a like manner........................

The fact that L plate 'drivers' have no speed restrictions on the open road whilst L plate motorcyclists do leads me to believe that here is a classic case of discrimination.

It was not very long ago that the court ruled that it was 'discrimitory' for drivers under the age of twentyfive to be pulled over if the car they were driving was displaying the yellow and black 25 age sticker. This was the anti theft sticker that stated no one under the age of twenty five would be driving the vehicle.

Given the fact that the police do have powers to ticket drivers who they deem are going to slow. Just not too sure of what that speed would be but 70 k's on the open road is not only slow but downright dangerous.

I am of the opinion that if you were ticketed for exceeding the Learner speed on the open road you could make a strong case for yourself.

I know very little about the law but one thing I do know is that it goes to extreem lengths not to be seen as discrimitory.


Skyryder

[myvice]

The fact that L plate 'drivers' have no speed restrictions on the open road whilst L plate motorcyclists do leads me to believe that here is a classic case of discrimination.

It was not very long ago that the court ruled that it was 'discrimitory' for drivers under the age of twentyfive to be pulled over if the car they were driving was displaying the yellow and black 25 age sticker. This was the anti theft sticker that stated no one under the age of twenty five would be driving the vehicle.

Given the fact that the police do have powers to ticket drivers who they deem are going to slow. Just not too sure of what that speed would be but 70 k's on the open road is not only slow but downright dangerous.

I am of the opinion that if you were ticketed for exceeding the Learner speed on the open road you could make a strong case for yourself.

I know very little about the law but one thing I do know is that it goes to extreem lengths not to be seen as discrimitory.


Skyryder
Very good point.
I wonder how this would stand up in court?
If you could do this then isn’t the 250 restriction under the same umbrella?
Not to get 15 year olds on RR1000's but to get 15 year olds OUT of twin turbo go faster karts.

[Pancakes]

[QUOTE=Skyryder]
It was not very long ago that the court ruled that it was 'discrimitory' for drivers under the age of twentyfive to be pulled over if the car they were driving was displaying the yellow and black 25 age sticker. This was the anti theft sticker that stated no one under the age of twenty five would be driving the vehicle.

I put one of those stickers on my car when I was 22, got pulled over heaps initially and pissed the cops right off. Once it got scrapped I binned the sticker.

[Smorg]

I beg to differ - 130k on a GN would be a lot scarier than 70k... for a start, the wind buffeting from the faster vehicle required to tow you up to that speed would surely scare the pants of a learner!

Can't say i had GN's i mind :violin:

[Brains]

L plates can fall off you know.. stay with the traffic, else you'll just get squashed by the traffic, and that's really no fun.. Cops recognise this, so don't draw attention on the road, and you'll be fine

Hmm, have you met Bruce? All he does is attract attention, I think he gets about 30,000K outta his front tire coz he never uses it.

Purchased my L plate 18 hours before I had to sit my restricted, had the L plate on for about 19 hours. 70ks on the open road is no good, they really need to revisit it, wouldn't mind having restricted bikes like they do in the UK, restrict then to 250cc type hp, then on the restricted licence, get them restricted to 400cc type hp, everyone wins. Beats cruising round at 70.

[Ms Piggy]

Have not read all the posts on this so if someone else has responded iin a like manner........................

The fact that L plate 'drivers' have no speed restrictions on the open road whilst L plate motorcyclists do leads me to believe that here is a classic case of discrimination.

It was not very long ago that the court ruled that it was 'discrimitory' for drivers under the age of twentyfive to be pulled over if the car they were driving was displaying the yellow and black 25 age sticker. This was the anti theft sticker that stated no one under the age of twenty five would be driving the vehicle.

Given the fact that the police do have powers to ticket drivers who they deem are going to slow. Just not too sure of what that speed would be but 70 k's on the open road is not only slow but downright dangerous.

I am of the opinion that if you were ticketed for exceeding the Learner speed on the open road you could make a strong case for yourself.

I know very little about the law but one thing I do know is that it goes to extreem lengths not to be seen as discrimitory.


Skyryder
Yes totally agree with ya. It seems incredibly descrimanatory that a young person at age 16 can go and get whatever cc car they like and legally travel up to 100 km/hr on the open road. Whereas I am legally only allowed to ride up to a 250cc motor bike and travel at 70km/hr. :oi-grr:

It's very frustrating. Although I don't think the motorbike license should be changed, I think the car license restrictions should be!

Btw - my speeding ticket didn't reflect that I should have been going 70, I was only charged for going 11kms over the speed limit when I could havew been charged a lot more!

[Brains]

Yes totally agree with ya. It seems incredibly descrimanatory that a young person at age 16 can go and get whatever cc car they like and legally travel up to 100 km/hr on the open road. Whereas I am legally only allowed to ride up to a 250cc motor bike and travel at 70km/hr. :oi-grr:

It's very frustrating. Although I don't think the motorbike license should be changed, I think the car license restrictions should be!

Btw - my speeding ticket didn't reflect that I should have been going 70, I was only charged for going 11kms over the speed limit when I could havew been charged a lot more!

Yeah, but riding a motorcycle we get a heck of alot of freedom, remember a learner driver in a car has to have a fully licenced person with them - that just couldn't work with a bike. So if the 70k speed limit is removed from a learner rider, what difference is there between a learner bike and restricted bike? And no, I don't agree with the 70K limit, but I don't see many other ways of doing it, especially ways that wouldn't tax rider's even more.

[Phurrball]

The fact that L plate 'drivers' have no speed restrictions on the open road whilst L plate motorcyclists do leads me to believe that here is a classic case of discrimination.

It was not very long ago that the court ruled that it was 'discrimitory' for drivers under the age of twentyfive to be pulled over if the car they were driving was displaying the yellow and black 25 age sticker. This was the anti theft sticker that stated no one under the age of twenty five would be driving the vehicle.

Given the fact that the police do have powers to ticket drivers who they deem are going to slow. Just not too sure of what that speed would be but 70 k's on the open road is not only slow but downright dangerous.

I am of the opinion that if you were ticketed for exceeding the Learner speed on the open road you could make a strong case for yourself.

I know very little about the law but one thing I do know is that it goes to extreem lengths not to be seen as discrimitory.

Skyryder

You make a worthy point Skyrider, but unfortunately the whole 70 kay llimit and L plate are conditions of the licence (Hence $400 fine and 25 demerits I believe). The 'over 25' thing had nothing to do with licence conditions, and was discrimination on an illegal ground (See s19 in the NZ Bill of Rights act 1990 which applies to state institutions; s21(1)(I) Human Rights Act 1993)

Am in L(ooser) plate category myself, and I agree with the sentiments in this thread...considering what may befall my L...:devil2:

[T.I.E]

"L" plates fall off all over the place. go with the flow of the traffic if they are doing 100 do 100. i think all bikers will back you up on this. its way to dangerous having a pissed off prick sitting up ya arse thinking he is clever.
go with the flow long as you are not doing anything stupid the police won't see any need of pulling you over.

[Brett]

my hands accidently got attached to my L plate, broke some of it off, all bar a little yellow corner, and threw the rest somewhere i have forgotten...

70 is stupid. much over 100kph is working a 250cc quite hard, and i dont like brutalising my bike too much.