How many points for a cyclist? [Archive]

bogan

29th April 2013, 18:16

And is it bonus points for cleaning him up with a motorcycle?

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I don't even :confused: :gob: :blank:

Make this mirror high five look not too bad... I mean, it was cracked anyway, and the centerline is anybody's territory right?

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nzspokes

29th April 2013, 18:23

What a fuckwit. How can you be that stupid?

BigAl

29th April 2013, 19:43

Shit, good example of target fixation.

Just a pity it wasn't a truck he ran up the back of.

schrodingers cat

29th April 2013, 20:38

Pommy bloke got his heart racing! I thought he was being too cool for school initially.

JafaSaffer

29th April 2013, 21:52

Pity about the titanium Merlin.. Great bikes even if it was a road, bike.. Their mountain bikes are better.

Akzle

30th April 2013, 05:46

hahahhaa. fuck cyclists. they shoudn't be on the road.

caseye

30th April 2013, 06:36

hahahhaa. fuck cyclists. they shoudn't be on the road.

Oh I think that in THIS case, that's exactly what happened.
Not a nice experience for the poor bloody cyclists, who it would seem were doing nothing wrong ( makes a pleasant change, I've got to say)

ac3_snow

30th April 2013, 14:11

Pity about the titanium Merlin.. Great bikes even if it was a road, bike.. Their mountain bikes are better.

I couldn't pick out what the Motorcycle was but I imagine the repair bill for the two push bikes is more than the value of the Motorbike.

oneofsix

30th April 2013, 14:16

I couldn't pick out what the Motorcycle was but I imagine the repair bill for the two push bikes is more than the value of the Motorbike.

Don't forget the medical and legal expenses, no ACC therefore he pays but bet some lawyer types find a way into the argument.

Maha

30th April 2013, 14:16

FJRider

30th April 2013, 14:21

Tigadee

30th April 2013, 14:26

I couldn't pick out what the Motorcycle was but I imagine the repair bill for the two push bikes is more than the value of the Motorbike.

Shit yeah! My brother-in-law in San Fran picked up an uber-special-bling-bling race bicycle for 10 grand, just 'cos... :facepalm: The current motorcycle of my dreams could be bought for less...

bogan

30th April 2013, 14:29

Aprox 1 million cyclists in NZ, they should pay a road user charge like the rest of us.
If that does suit, then they can fuck off into thier own lane that will cost $6m to construct...it's only a one off cost of $600 per cyclists and job done.

So whats it going to be?

A trip back to primary school maths class?

Take the pedly with trainer wheels and tassels for extra authenticity :shifty:

Maha

30th April 2013, 14:29

The piece of road shown in the vid has featured in many Youtube vids of motorcycles falling off the road ... often with NO involvement of any other vehicle. Often with the rider in just jeans and T-shirt.

Hence the reason the photographer was there. It was just a matter of time until an incident occurred.

I think you'll find that bit of road is Mulholland Drive, a piece of road where a lot bikers bin for no other reason than incompetence. Try and contain your laughter.

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Maha

30th April 2013, 14:32

A trip back to primary school maths class?

Take the pedly with trainer wheels and tassels for extra authenticity :shifty:

Yip, correction made, the cycle lane will cost 600 million.

FJRider

30th April 2013, 14:40

I think you'll find that bit of road is Mulholland Drive, a piece of road where a lot bikers bin for no other reason than incompetence.

With monotonous regularity ... :laugh:

Brian d marge

30th April 2013, 14:57

As soon as I clicked on it ,,,I knew it would be "Americans"

I wonder if there is an English version

oh wait there is !

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no cyclists were injured in this video

Stephen

nzspokes

30th April 2013, 16:18

Aprox 1 million cyclists in NZ, they should pay a road user charge like the rest of us.

Ive seen a study for this, cost of compliance would be higher than income so pointless.

Jantar

30th April 2013, 16:20

... cost of compliance would be higher than income so pointless.

Somehow that argument doesn't extend to policing speeding. We keep getting told that no revenue goes to the Police, yet their costs of ensuring compliance are huge.

chasio

30th April 2013, 17:26

Ive seen a study for this, cost of compliance would be higher than income so pointless.

And similarly with the ACC portion: annual costs for bikers and cyclists as groups are on a par (IIRC) but with at least ten times as many cyclists to collect it from and no ready way to identify them, it goes into the "not worth it" basket.

Add in the fact that roads are paid for from taxes paid by everyone (not from rego, etc.) and the inequity doesn't seem so severe, at least to me.

Back on topic, this thread has however provided me with some epically inept riding to watch.

speeding_ant

30th April 2013, 17:59

Aprox 1 million cyclists in NZ, they should pay a road user charge like the rest of us.
If that does suit, then they can fuck off into thier own lane that will cost $600m to construct...it's only a one off cost of $600 per cyclists and job done.

So whats it going to be?

I'll bite. I own a couple of mountain bikes, ride them on the road every now and again (mainly to get to trails). The amount of fuckwit drivers (bikes, cars, and even worse are buses) I see around me scares me off the road.

I already pay rego for a car and a motorbike, so I sure as hell won't pay for registration on two mountain bikes... Increasing registration for cars so we can build decent roads that'll benefit every road user makes more sense.

I'd increase it more for the haters ;)

Hater.

Grizzo

30th April 2013, 18:28

Video 1 - Classic target fixation

Video 2 - I would be fixated on chasing that cunt down.

Maha

30th April 2013, 19:48

I'll bite. I own a couple of mountain bikes, ride them on the road every now and again (mainly to get to trails). The amount of fuckwit drivers (bikes, cars, and even worse are buses) I see around me scares me off the road.

I already pay rego for a car and a motorbike, so I sure as hell won't pay for registration on two mountain bikes... Increasing registration for cars so we can build decent roads that'll benefit every road user makes more sense.

I'd increase it more for the haters ;)

Hater.

Why not?...if you were to by another motorbike, would you pay the rego for that?

bogan

30th April 2013, 19:55

One might point out that a thread starting with a motorcyclist running down some very slow moving cyclists is perhaps not the best place to argue that the pedly's need safety taxing too :whistle:

chasio

30th April 2013, 21:47

One might point out that a thread starting with a motorcyclist running down some very slow moving cyclists is perhaps not the best place to argue that the pedly's need safety taxing too :whistle:

But, but, but... it's no-fault system. So they should be paying for their risk, no? (p/t)

I'm sure you remember all that guff as you had the stats nailed down. Ah those were the days. Or perhaps not. ;)

nzspokes

30th April 2013, 21:57

I'll bite. I own a couple of mountain bikes, ride them on the road every now and again (mainly to get to trails). The amount of fuckwit drivers (bikes, cars, and even worse are buses) I see around me scares me off the road.

I already pay rego for a car and a motorbike, so I sure as hell won't pay for registration on two mountain bikes... Increasing registration for cars so we can build decent roads that'll benefit every road user makes more sense.

I'd increase it more for the haters ;)

Hater.

I think the roading side of the rego for bicycles was going to be $4 or so. Kinda a waste of time tryin to collect it.

I thought rugby has higher ACC costs, why not rego that?

Woodman

30th April 2013, 23:16

I thought rugby has higher ACC costs, why not rego that?

Rugby players pay ACC levies, and anyway they go out and deliberately smash into other people so of course they are going to get hurt so it is not an accident. Cyclists and motorcyclists don't go out with the same intentions, therefore any injury IS an accident.

Simple really :no::rolleyes:

hayd3n

30th April 2013, 23:49

if we could make mirrors compulsary on cycles they would have a chance to doge numptys :)

Maha

1st May 2013, 07:27

Rugby players pay ACC levies, and anyway they go out and deliberately smash into other people so of course they are going to get hurt so it is not an accident. Cyclists and motorcyclists don't go out with the same intentions, therefore any injury IS an accident.

Simple really :no::rolleyes:

....and they don't play rugby on the road, which (when it comes to cyclists) is the point. This is not about ACC in anyway, just the cycle to try and turn it around. :rolleyes:

They want their bit of road?...help pay it directly though a user registration.

nzspokes

1st May 2013, 08:00

They want their bit of road?...help pay it directly though a user registration.

So you advicate a pointless tax that will cost more money than it makes? :brick:

Are you running to be an MP?

oneofsix

1st May 2013, 08:01

So you advicate a pointless tax that will cost more money than it makes? :brick:

Are you running to be an MP?

Are you saying vehicle registration is a pointless tax that costs more than it makes?

GrayWolf

1st May 2013, 08:05

I think you'll find that bit of road is Mulholland Drive, a piece of road where a lot bikers bin for no other reason than incompetence. Try and contain your laughter.

And this one.... All you need to do is substitute mulholland to Rimutaka's and there you have the same mentality of riding/driving a piece of road!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNcZyDSM6GI&feature=player_embedded

nzspokes

1st May 2013, 08:16

Are you saying vehicle registration is a pointless tax that costs more than it makes?

For cyclists yes. Its calculated on road damage etc. Cost of damage that a bicycle makes is next to nothing. Hense the $4 per user. The papertrail would cost more than that.

oneofsix

1st May 2013, 08:19

For cyclists yes. Its calculated on road damage etc. Cost of damage that a bicycle makes is next to nothing. Hense the $4 per user. The papertrail would cost more than that.

You have miscalculated the etc factor.

FJRider

1st May 2013, 10:02

For cyclists yes. Its calculated on road damage etc. Cost of damage that a bicycle makes is next to nothing. Hense the $4 per user. The papertrail would cost more than that.

Personally ... I would prefer to see an ACC levy attached to the purchase price .... along with GST. It would matter little who paid the fee (or who later owns it) .... As long as the fee was paid per item ....

Other high injury risk items (like off road motorcycles/sporting equipment) could be charged in a similar manner. The returns to the Government then would be huge ... with little initial outlay (in comparison to rego just bicycles) in set up costs.

Maha

1st May 2013, 12:22

Personally ... I would prefer to see an ACC levy attached to the purchase price .... along with GST. It would matter little who paid the fee (or who later owns it) .... As long as the fee was paid per item ....

Other high injury risk items (like off road motorcycles/sporting equipment) could be charged in a similar manner. The returns to the Government then would be huge ... with little initial outlay (in comparison to rego just bicycles) in set up costs.

That would work, a pushbike (in whatever form) should be registered to be on the road, every other mode of transport has to. Most cyclists using the road seem a tad arrogant when it comes to road etiquette.
As soon as the Government wake up and realise the nice little earner they are missing out on, the better.

nzspokes

1st May 2013, 12:29

That would work, a pushbike (in whatever form) should be registered to be on the road, every other mode of transport has to. Most cyclists using the road seem a tad arrogant when it comes to road etiquette.
As soon as the Government wake up and realise the nice little earner they are missing out on, the better.

Wouldnt work, how long would you keep the bike for?

Would you pay the first 10 years rego on your motorcycle when you bought it?

Maha

1st May 2013, 12:33

Wouldnt work, how long would you keep the bike for?

Would you pay the first 10 years rego on your motorcycle when you bought it?

3-6-12 months, like it is now for every other person who uses the road...:confused:
Where did you get a 10 year time frame from? Pay as you go :niceone:
Be interesting also to know how many have thier bikes insured?

FJRider

1st May 2013, 12:44

Wouldnt work, how long would you keep the bike for?

Would you pay the first 10 years rego on your motorcycle when you bought it?

It doesn't matter how long you keep the bike for .... an set ACC levy paid on purchase from a dealer (new or second hand) is just money the Government never had.

It is not a Rego scheme (and don't compare the two)... it is an ACC "fund raiser" ... nothing more. It would apply to all vehicles not requiring Reg and WoF at the moment (where no ACC levy is currently being paid).

BigAl

1st May 2013, 12:56

Phantom Limb

1st May 2013, 14:59

What about hike up the car registration/acc/fuel tax to offset a reduction in bicycle prices.

Thereby getting inactive people out of cars and on to bikes, much better for them and for road congestion.

If by 'Bicycle prices' you mean 'motorcycle prices' then fuckin aye! :niceone:

If not.... :spanking:

Brian d marge

1st May 2013, 15:05

ahh user pays

back in my day Acc was nothing to worry about and everyone could get it and no one worried about paying it ( so this conversation , n/a)

ahh those were the days

we had it tough back then ya know

Stephen

Mushu

1st May 2013, 15:17

Phantom Limb

1st May 2013, 15:47

I think they should remove right of way from applying to bicycles, make it so they must give way to all other traffic, adults seem to get killed on push bikes more than kids, and it seems to me it's because kids don't know the rules so they just get our of the way of traffic where adults use their bikes like other vehicles and when they aren't seen they get hit also ban them from twisty roads they just seem like rolling hazards in places like Summit Rd, Dyres Pass, etc.

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Yeah, I like it when a cyclist starts going on about 'taking the lane'. Its a clause in the road code stating that a cyclist may 'take the lane' if it is deemed that there is no room for a following vehicle to overtake, eg: opposite double yellow lines, through traffic circles, narrow bridges. It's their right to do so because it says so in the fantastical book of road knowledge.

Great.

So on the twisty as all hell roads that we ride, usually double yellows the whole way. Coming round a blind bend there is a righteous cyclist in the centre of the lane doing 20KPh because he's decided that 'taking the lane' is his right. Oh look, you're now nipples to sphincter up a lycra clad arse because some chucklefuck on a 21speed clothes horse was excercising his road code given rights.

Clever, very clever.

FJRider

1st May 2013, 16:04

It's their right to do so because it says so in the fantastical book of road knowledge.

You (and they) forget what is written in other parts of that "Fasntastical Book Of Knowledge" ... the bit about not impeding the flow of traffic comes to mind.

But having said that ... quite a few motorcyclists pick and choose which rules they want obeyed. (if it suits them at the time)

And ... which rules to obey themselves ... if it suits.

Akzle

1st May 2013, 16:18

Thereby getting inactive people out of cars and on to bikes, *executing them, much better for them and for road congestion.

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Gremlin

1st May 2013, 17:47

I think they should remove right of way from applying to bicycles, make it so they must give way to all other traffic,
Good idea... in the same vein we should probably give way to trucks, coz they're bigger again.... uh... yeah :no:

Slightly amusing one I had on Sunday. IAM observed ride on Sunday, north west Auckland, rural 100kph road off Coatesville. I'm leading, with a trainee observer behind observing me. I come up on two cyclists, having the typical Sunday ride side by side, crawling along. Not enough forward vision to make a safe pass, so I sit and wait for a better opportunity. Right hand cyclist snaps out of his daydream a few seconds later and races to the left side of the road... cutting off his mate in the process, wheels touch, left cyclist now has his foot down trying to stop from bailing.

I back right off (well, as far as you can when you were only doing 20 odd kph anyway) not wanting human speed bumps, but they somehow both stayed upright and I felt it was a good time to leave them to their own devices :confused:

Actually, that was after 2 more cyclists almost got collected when we were turning into the side road and they did a u-turn in the side road right at the stop sign...:eek:

Brian d marge

2nd May 2013, 02:07

Hang on , if we are cleaning up pedal power , I would hire a Mexican driver and use a car ,,,much more efficient !

Stephen

jasonu

2nd May 2013, 12:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNFaAqS2f18

bogan

2nd May 2013, 12:28

Oops, that's a repost (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/158318-How-many-points-for-a-cyclist)

Banditbandit

2nd May 2013, 12:33

Looks like he got target fixation pretty bad ... (There's a lot of videos on youtube of crashes on that corner .. )

How about this one ... I'll bet that was the last time this rider wore shorts and shitty shoes on his scooter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgKoXzbw13E

Banditbandit

2nd May 2013, 12:40

THis one's just fucking dumb .. he opens the throttle and looses the back end ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM-k0yD-c58&NR=1&feature=endscreen

jasonu

2nd May 2013, 14:58

Oops, that's a repost (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/158318-How-many-points-for-a-cyclist)

:Oops:Buggggggar:facepalm:

Mushu

2nd May 2013, 20:40

rnickymouse - best channel on YouTube, my comment on the first video from the OP was pretty similar to the post I put on this thread, and it got do many thumbs down votes it was actually removed, lol

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Brian d marge

3rd May 2013, 02:22

back in the day , we used to import a lot of american bikes , the tyres were as hard as concrete ,

just looking at the video(s) , they tend to be; American , men , late twenties/thirties , and fking useless on a motorbike ( some were just plain retarded )

stephen

onearmedbandit

3rd May 2013, 03:20

Hence the reason the photographer was there.

To put it simply, no.

Jantar

3rd May 2013, 10:37

.....just looking at the video(s) , they tend to be; American , men , late twenties/thirties , and fking useless on a motorbike ( some were just plain retarded )

stephen

Just looking at the videos there are a lot of riders losing traction at the exact same spot on the road, even though they are not anywhere near large angles of lean, and otherwise riding relatively cleanly. When you slow the videos down and go frame by frame there is a darker patch on the road surface. I'm wondering whether some video photographer is helping to ensure that many motorcyclist will come to grief at that exact spot.

Glowerss

3rd May 2013, 11:15

Just looking at the videos there are a lot of riders losing traction at the exact same spot on the road, even though they are not anywhere near large angles of lean, and otherwise riding relatively cleanly. When you slow the videos down and go frame by frame there is a darker patch on the road surface. I'm wondering whether some video photographer is helping to ensure that many motorcyclist will come to grief at that exact spot.

One of the videos in the comments section, one of the guys who rides that bit of road regularly was saying that there are 2 unexpected dips in the road that catches a lot of people out. One of the dips is as you're coming out of the bend where a lot of people seem to crash. Potentially what that shadow is.

Regardless, we're americans. We don't know what the fuck a corner is or what to do with it, unless it only turns 1 way in a giant oval :bleh:

FJRider

3rd May 2013, 11:56

To put it simply, no.

Looking at the vid of the bike hitting the bicycles ... after the crash with all the cops and medics around. Look at how many are carrying their cameras (and not little pocket ones) about.

GrayWolf

3rd May 2013, 12:02

Looking at the vid of the bike hitting the bicycles ... after the crash with all the cops and medics around. Look at how many are carrying their cameras (and not little pocket ones) about.

So what that tells you is.... they mostly know the road has some 'bad patches' to the extent people are going to be at those points with camera's..Not an exact 'give away' as to location.. But however, we are either, Too eogtistical, too fuckin dumb, "it aint gonna happen to me, I'm a GOOD rider", OR, ooo look, the camera's are there I'll show them how shit hot a rider I am......

Rather like the Rimutaka's on Sunday mornings

FJRider

3rd May 2013, 13:05

So what that tells you is.... they mostly know the road has some 'bad patches' to the extent people are going to be at those points with camera's..Not an exact 'give away' as to location.. But however, we are either, Too eogtistical, too fuckin dumb, "it aint gonna happen to me, I'm a GOOD rider", OR, ooo look, the camera's are there I'll show them how shit hot a rider I am......

Rather like the Rimutaka's on Sunday mornings

They know there will be fuckwit riders along anytime soon ... just like on the Rimutaka's ...

Don't forget to wave peoples ... you know who you are ...

HornetBoy

3rd May 2013, 18:41

onearmedbandit

4th May 2013, 15:22

Looking at the vid of the bike hitting the bicycles ... after the crash with all the cops and medics around. Look at how many are carrying their cameras (and not little pocket ones) about.

I know a couple guys who both ride there and also take photos. No one is there to catch the crashes. But it's those videos that make it to the 'net and get the controversy going. Not the videos and pictures of people safely negotiating the bend.