Clapton or Hendrix

[superjackal]

Personally I sit in both camps.

I got into Clapton via Hendrix basically because Hendrix had such respect for Clapton. I figured Hendrix must know something. Hendrix was out of this world. Genuinely. No one else has come close. For sheer innovation and picking different ways to play the same song each time no one has matched Hendrix. As I get older it's harder and harder to fathom a 24 year old coming up with the sh*t he did.

But then, Clapton has such heart and longevity.... he's reduced me to tears in concert. There's something there.....

Then again, Hendrix rode motorbikes.....

Decisions.....

[Virago]

Clapton or Hendrix...

Tom-ay-to, tom-ah-to...:niceone:

[Usarka]

Clapton = The Beatles, Hendrix = Rolling Stones

[mashman]

The Riffs are gonna win this one fae moi. Clapton.

[Oakie]

Clapton. More versatile. Clever enough not to die at ... 27(?) too.

[Drew]

Hendrix never got a chance to evolve...Through his own fuckin stupidity.

Clapton wins by sheer volume of great work.

That Beetles/Stones analogy is complete tripe. Hendrix never tried to he a hard arse, Jagger was as bad as those KISS fags for being his own gimmick.

[superjackal]

The Riffs are gonna win this one fae moi. Clapton.

Really...? Manic Depression vs.... what?

[Laava]

Hendrix, purely based on they say he was a good cunt.
Clapton was a difficult prick and prob still is.
Both are brilliant musos

I highly rate Tommy Bolin as well.

[superjackal]

Hendrix, purely based on they say he was a good cunt.
Clapton was a difficult prick and prob still is.
Both are brilliant musos

I highly rate Tommy Bolin as well.

Classy bastard. Presume you've heard Spectrum then.... (Wow what a forgotten gem!).

[mashman]

Really...? Manic Depression vs.... what?

Crossroads... although trying to remember the Riff in Manic Depression (tis a fave tuuune thatun)

Edit: Hardly a fair comparison, but illustrates my initial point ;)

[cmoore]

Hendrix........clapton copied....Jimmy invented

[Usarka]

That Beetles/Stones analogy is complete tripe. Hendrix never tried to he a hard arse, Jagger was as bad as those KISS fags for being his own gimmick.

Wtf has personality got to do with it. It's about the music....

Clapton = more polished and clean.
Hendrix = edgier and more rawness.

IMHO of course. Because everything is subjective when dealing with art.

[schrodingers cat]

What day did the music die?
Both did a couple of good tunes. Plenty of great music since

[_Shrek_]

Hendrix & Clapton :niceone: depends on the mood

[GrayWolf]

Grew up listening to both,
Hendrix was highly innovative for his day, absolutely agree....
There are/were many great guitarists since,,, Satriani/ Malmsteen etc... however to me many of these are what I would call 'technician's'

Players like Clapton, Gilmour, Knopfler, all have the ability to play even just one note, at the right time, in the right place and that's all it needs, rather than a 'mega high speed 'riff'.

Here's a few more 'OLD SCHOOL' guys from that era I would suggest as also strong candidates

Robin Trower
Santana
Frank Marino
Ted Nugent
Gary Moore
jeff Beck

and, who I would consider as head and shoulders above either Hendrix or Clapton (both of whom I like) Steve Howe of YES....
the band isnt everyone's cup of tea (pomp rock) but that man's guitar work is phenomenal. He is a synthesis of rock, classic, spanish guitar styles

Gates of delerium clip is damned long but... worth the listen


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdmUAsU2eXI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1ZmIFR4Sc0

[Tigadee]

I started on Clapton and then discovered Hendrix and said to myself "Holy shit, how does he do that?!"

So Hendrix for the mad genius he is... :niceone:

[Oscar]

There was a re-run of "The Last Waltz" the other night, which features Clapton.
He's hardly started when the strap breaks on his guitar and Robbie Robertson picks up the tune, nary missing a beat.

At least Hendrix didn't live long enough to record shite like "Tears in Heaven"...

[Paul in NZ]

If you want a treat - Clapton (playing in Derek and the Dominos) with Duane Allman about a month after Hendrix died... Playing a Hendrix song - Little Wing. (personally I think the record track is as good if not better)

Possibly the two greatest rock guitarists of the time (discounting Peter Green who I rate above both of them but he had gorn LaLa while Eric went Layla)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G5CJFrO2Oc

This live version of Little Wing was recorded on 23 October 1970 in New York. It is a soundboard recording, with the two vocals in separate channels, rather than the official live at the Fillmore which has both vocals mixed in the centre of both channels.

Derek and the Dominos were a blues-rock band formed in the spring of 1970 by guitarist and singer Eric Clapton with keyboardist Bobby Whitlock, bassist Carl Radle and drummer Jim Gordon, who had all played with Clapton in Delaney, Bonnie & Friends.

The band released only one studio album, Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs, which featured prominent contributions from guest guitarist Duane Allman from the Allman Brothers Band.

Allman died in a motorbike accident on 29 October 1971. Radle died in 1980 of complications from a kidney infection associated with alcohol and drug use. Jim Gordon, who was an undiagnosed schizophrenic, killed his mother in 1983 during a psychotic episode.

[PrincessBandit]

Hendrix didn't swap wives with anyone else did he? Nor did he get a perm to look like Clapton...

As for skill set, both are awesome.

[GrayWolf]

At least Hendrix didn't live long enough to record shite like "Tears in Heaven"...

Cant argue that, but then again, had hendrix lived long enough, and had just lost his son falling out of an apartment window.. Hendrix may just have written similar shyte as part of his way of coping??

As an aside, Clapton and Hendrix really made their names because they went 'Solo' .... Clapton had a (UK) Peer in the 60's, and often argued who was better at the time, I mentioned at the bottom of my 'also list' earlier...

Google some Jeff Beck stuff....

[Banditbandit]

I prefer Hendrix - but I like Clapton too .. it's all music after all ..

Hendrix was pretty original ... borrowing form the blues and expanding on it ...

Clapton was a little more derivative ... he recorded JJ Cale's After Midnight ... and kept the sound for many other of his tracks .. then he added Cocaine ...

[GrayWolf]

If you want a treat - Clapton (playing in Derek and the Dominos) with Duane Allman about a month after Hendrix died... Playing a Hendrix song - Little Wing. (personally I think the record track is as good if not better)

Possibly the two greatest rock guitarists of the time (discounting Peter Green who I rate above both of them but he had gorn LaLa while Eric went Layla)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G5CJFrO2Oc

This live version of Little Wing was recorded on 23 October 1970 in New York. It is a soundboard recording, with the two vocals in separate channels, rather than the official live at the Fillmore which has both vocals mixed in the centre of both channels.

Derek and the Dominos were a blues-rock band formed in the spring of 1970 by guitarist and singer Eric Clapton with keyboardist Bobby Whitlock, bassist Carl Radle and drummer Jim Gordon, who had all played with Clapton in Delaney, Bonnie & Friends.

The band released only one studio album, Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs, which featured prominent contributions from guest guitarist Duane Allman from the Allman Brothers Band.

Allman died in a motorbike accident on 29 October 1971. Radle died in 1980 of complications from a kidney infection associated with alcohol and drug use. Jim Gordon, who was an undiagnosed schizophrenic, killed his mother in 1983 during a psychotic episode.

Oi get back in yer box, only ONE farkin old crusty who remember's/knows obscure shit allowed in this thread!!!

Got Delaney & Bonnie on CD :) Whats actually quite 'sad' is that the current crop of 'raved abouts'... it's all been done before, by the guys of the 60's-late 70's era......

Take it you've also given Frank Marino a good listen?

[Banditbandit]

Derek and the Dominos were a blues-rock band formed in the spring of 1970 by guitarist and singer Eric Clapton with keyboardist Bobby Whitlock, bassist Carl Radle and drummer Jim Gordon, who had all played with Clapton in Delaney, Bonnie & Friends.



Carl Radle recorded with JJ Cale and played on the Naturally album - which is where he learnt After Midnight - and then played it to Clapton ..

[Geeen]

John Entwhistle for the win :bleh:

[MIXONE]

Ever hear Stevie Ray Vaughn playing back up for Lonnie Mack on Strike Like Lightening?
The list of great axemen is endless.



If there's a rock n roll heaven you know they've got a hell of a band.:niceone:

[Banditbandit]

Then there's this .. an amazing album .. with a pretty impressive line up ..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBUY6Wm4Mpw

[Paul in NZ]

Oi get back in yer box, only ONE farkin old crusty who remember's/knows obscure shit allowed in this thread!!!

Got Delaney & Bonnie on CD :) Whats actually quite 'sad' is that the current crop of 'raved abouts'... it's all been done before, by the guys of the 60's-late 70's era......

Take it you've also given Frank Marino a good listen?

Yes and Yes....

Sadly there is only one lifetime to listen to a lot of great music and its just so hard to pick a 'best' as each track brings up a memory of happy times etc...... I still rate Peter Green as there was never any hint of thrash and his music is as much about the notes he does not play as those he does. It just slides over you like a warm blanket... Then there is the hellishly brilliant back story and is semi comebacks... I mean Albatross is just one of the greatest instrumentals EVER and supernatural, black magic woman etc etc - genius

The splinter group is great....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMInik8r8cg

But dear god lifes not been kind to the man....

[Banditbandit]

Yeah .. Peter Green was great before he went to Magic Cookie Land ... I mean have you listened to In the Skies ????? It's so bad ... it's Albatross-revisited with heavily Christian overtones ...

[Paul in NZ]

Then there's this .. an amazing album .. with a pretty impressive line up ..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBUY6Wm4Mpw

Only a couple of tracks on that I really rated....

It seems all famous british guitarists knock out a belter or two after they 'retire'. Mark Knopfler has just gone on and on doing all the non commercial stuff at a great rate of knots and having a ball....

From this (Notting Hillbillies - brilliant album - hardly a duff track on it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOqgZIzigcI

With Chet Atkins (Neck by Neck - great album - won a grammy)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wTVLIZaxMk

The Chieftains

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KAzzFE_8OE

and of course...... (shudder) Emmy Lou.....

(excuse the ropey vocals in the live version)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtGDQVwx4C0


and - Tom Jones

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANQW7V6OCPc

[MisterD]

Page. No question.

Skill, range of styles, innovation etc etc as a player to more than match anyone else mentioned in the thread, plus the ability to produce it and put it all on vinyl as he wanted it to sound.

[Big Dave]

I was going to say Mark Knopfler too.

I've been on that trip since 1979.

[nudemetalz]

As much as I like both,...
This guitar god does it for me !!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvBEWs_q57g

[Paul in NZ]

I was going to say Mark Knopfler too.

Yup - he has the same 'liquid' style I like. Much like Peter Green. No thrash - just talent across a huge musical range of styles yet you can pick his unique sound a mile off...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyOW8lQOG8Q

[Bassmatt]

Hendrix........clapton copied....Jimmy invented


John Entwhistle for the win :bleh:

According to Entwistle, the first thing Hendrix did when he got to London was to go out and see Clapton et al perform, to "steal" anything he heard that he liked.
It is also claimed his famous burning of the guitar at Monterey was due to his fear of being upstaged by Pete Townshends guitar smashing.
Jimi certainly was an "inventor", but perhaps not quite to the extent people think.

[HenryDorsetCase]

bunch of fucking hippies.

boring hippies.

Steve Jones FTW

[HenryDorsetCase]

All those old pricks are dead or should be.

How about something groovy from post-2000?

http://www.mastodonrocks.com/news/bill-kelliher-golden-axe-explo

Bill Kelliher from MAstodon.


hwgqenxNUfs

[Big Dave]

Meh.

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[HenryDorsetCase]

Hippies, filthy hippies.

Brandon Small:

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[Big Dave]

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[NOID]

ZAKK WYLDE :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

[Big Dave]

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[Paul in NZ]

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Pfft - pussy.....

The REAL MASTER.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBOqnSvVlI8

[HenryDorsetCase]

Meh.

Gabriela

That is truly amazing. New favourite song. I have sent it to a couple of git-box playing buddies.

[Paul in NZ]

That is truly amazing. New favourite song. I have sent it to a couple of git-box playing buddies.

Search out their 1st CD - came with a DVD - well worth the $$

[HenryDorsetCase]

Search out their 1st CD - came with a DVD - well worth the $$

Ima buy Area 52: they do tracks with John Tempesta (ex WHITE ZOMBIE!!!) \m/

[Usarka]

Frank Zappa FTW. Brilliant musician.

[Smifffy]

Remember Clapton also had a go at the stupid stuff, and was, frankly lucky he didn't go out in a similar way to Hendrix. They both make outstanding music. You can pick one over the other if you must, I will enjoy both. And more.

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[SPman]

Started with Jimmy Page, moved to Hendrix and Peter Green, then on to Ritchie Blackmore.........Clapton was always over rated. Knopfler can be lazily fluid when he wants too...
Meh - to many great guitarists of diverse styles out there.......

[cmoore]

if this is moving on to best....there i have an issue as it is like being a judge at the synchronised swimming contest...no clear way to judge the winner..

Roy Buchanon, David Gilmore, Jimmy Page, Gary Moore, SRV, ......if i was forced to make a decision.......David Gilmore....


top three fav guitar songs

You're not alone - You're not alone - Roy Buchanon

Comfotably Numb - Pulse version - David Gilmore

Europa - Moonflower - Santana

[Asher]

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I had always thought he died after Clapton gave him his seat on a helicopter that subsequently crashed into a mountain.

[husaberg]

Clapton with no other reason than Jimi hasn't done much new for ages. Jimi's performances of late are best described as a little wooden.:shifty:

On a more serious note my 2 cents are it has to be Jimi.
because he was a total original were still talking about him now and look how short his career was. epic

[crazy man]

Hendrix cause clapton is claped out:headbang:

[GrayWolf]

Page. No question.

Skill, range of styles, innovation etc etc as a player to more than match anyone else mentioned in the thread, plus the ability to produce it and put it all on vinyl as he wanted it to sound.

Page is briliant,, I didnt place him with Howe, for one reason, page just hasnt made it 'Solo' for some reason.... Steve Howe also does a lot of production work, but has done Solo albums.. and gone on from YES with Asia. Page hasnt really made a success beyond Led Zep, the Firm etc were supergroups that somehow just 'didnt' ....

[GrayWolf]

All those old pricks are dead or should be.

How about something groovy from post-2000?



Bill Kelliher from MAstodon.


Hippies, filthy hippies.

Brandon Small:

Hardly Guitar masters, just a lot of high speed riffs...


you like hard rock geeeetaaaaar?
try these tracks


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iwC2QljLn4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2S9rwyQkJE

[MisterD]

Page is briliant,, I didnt place him with Howe, for one reason, page just hasnt made it 'Solo' for some reason.

I think the reason is simple. Zep just casts too big a shadow and any vocalist that Jimmy teams up with is going to struggle with the Plant comparison.

The thing that really astounds me, is that within a 10 mile radius, Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton were born between Jan 1944 and March 1945. Extend that circle by a couple of miles and wait another two months and you've got Pete Townshend as well...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Hardly Guitar masters, just a lot of high speed riffs...


you like hard rock geeeetaaaaar?
try these tracks


Motorhead are in my top five favourite bands of all time. I am quite familiar with those tracks.

You could have put in OVERKILL also.

Interesting that no one has mentioned Yngwie Malmsteen, Satriani or those guys. None of it does it for me: as one of my friends (a bass player - cue jokes) says "its all pointless fret-wank".

One of my favourite git-box threesomes is the Isbell-Hood-Cooley era of Drive By Truckers. Here's an example (and the first DBT song I ever heard)

UU7H4ot7WIs


also, this thread needs more banjo (hey, if Lemmy is in then banjo is in): Cue up some Flatt & Scruggs.

[Smifffy]

I think the reason is simple. Zep just casts too big a shadow and any vocalist that Jimmy teams up with is going to struggle with the Plant comparison.

The thing that really astounds me, is that within a 10 mile radius, Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton were born between Jan 1944 and March 1945. Extend that circle by a couple of miles and wait another two months and you've got Pete Townshend as well...

It's a little known fact that just near the end of WWII the allies smuggled super mutated genetic material into Britain from nazi laboratory experiments. Further experiments were carried out in secret, in a "stores depot" at Deepcut Barracks in Surrey. Clapton's father was a soldier who left England before his son was born.

You know this is true, because you read it on the internet.

[MisterD]

Interesting that no one has mentioned Yngwie Malmsteen, Satriani or those guys. None of it does it for me: as one of my friends (a bass player - cue jokes) says "its all pointless fret-wank".

Heh. I've got a very good (Rickenbacker) bass-playing friend who used to use exactly the same terminology.

Apart from Jimmy Page, none of my favourite guitarists could really be tagged as "guitar heroes"...well, maybe Billy Gibbons but otherwise, Kim Thayil, Robbie Krieger, George Harrison...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Heh. I've got a very good (Rickenbacker) bass-playing friend who used to use exactly the same terminology.

Apart from Jimmy Page, none of my favourite guitarists could really be tagged as "guitar heroes"...well, maybe Billy Gibbons but otherwise, Kim Thayil, Robbie Krieger, George Harrison...

I'd add Keef to that list. Its all about the groove.....

[Big Dave]

I'd add Keef to that list.

Diamond geezer.

[MisterD]

I'd add Keef to that list. Its all about the groove.....

Oh, and Wilko Johnson.

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[GrayWolf]

Motorhead are in my top five favourite bands of all time. I am quite familiar with those tracks.

You could have put in OVERKILL also. <<<< Sadly restricted to only 2 vids in a post :( Or hell yeh.. and would have bunged in Uncle Ted, with Stranglehold

Interesting that no one has mentioned Yngwie Malmsteen, Satriani or those guys. None of it does it for me: as one of my friends (a bass player - cue jokes) says "its all pointless fret-wank".

One of my favourite git-box threesomes is the Isbell-Hood-Cooley era of Drive By Truckers. Here's an example (and the first DBT song I ever heard) also, this thread needs more banjo (hey, if Lemmy is in then banjo is in): Cue up some Flatt & Scruggs.

Err I mentioned them several posts ago..... including jeff Beck. I agree most of the nmodern era are 'technician's who can play some amazing 'riffs'.. but hey 'riffs' were invented by these Old School guys and their peers.... There is an argueable factoid that Mr's Blackmore, Page, Clapton, Beck played the first ever 'rock riffs' in their early/mid 1960's 'pop' bands....

[superjackal]

Err I mentioned them several posts ago..... including jeff Beck. I agree most of the nmodern era are 'technician's who can play some amazing 'riffs'.. but hey 'riffs' were invented by these Old School guys and their peers.... There is an argueable factoid that Mr's Blackmore, Page, Clapton, Beck played the first ever 'rock riffs' in their early/mid 1960's 'pop' bands....

Hasn't been mentioned as he's out of genre but I reckon Jerry Reed would have frightened the sh*t out of Hendrix. Only other player I rank up there with Hendrix.

[Maha]

Open to debate but, Hendrix had (and was known for) only one style/genre, no doubting his ability and obvious status as a guitar player, but Clapton has the edge over Hendrix for pure talent alone.

[Bikemad]

Hendrix........clapton copied....Jimmy invented

what he said...........and i reckon Tommy Emmanuel would smoke all the other geezers mentioned no worries
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[superjackal]

what he said...........and i reckon Tommy Emmanuel would smoke all the other geezers mentioned no worries
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I've seen Tommy Emmanuel many times now. He's brilliant but not original and he can write some dreadful saccharin crap. Guitar Boogie is a good show case but.... "Seen it". Coolest thing he does is the dixie/yankee doodle at the same time medley. As typewriters go, he be one of the fastest, on of the guys who knows all the shortcut keys but don't mean he can write a good book.

This is Reed with Chet Atkins. Jerry Reed's playing is totally beguiling. If you think it seems easy pick up a guitar and try figure out where the f*ck this guy came from! Musically it's a total mindf*ck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni8KBhnebwE

[husaberg]

Open to debate but, Hendrix had (and was known for) only one style/genre, no doubting his ability and obvious status as a guitar player, but Clapton has the edge over Hendrix for pure talent alone.

Wow that's is a bit unfair........:msn-wink: dying at 27 limited Hendrix's opportunities a little..........
Shorten Clapton's career to his first 6 or 7 years. Not so sure how he would compare then myself.
It's Moot because they are/were both f-ing talented but Clapton handled the drugs better or was more lucky (or both)

[mashman]

I bought a Clapton CD yesterday. Better vocal range and I'm going for it, a better guitarist. His range of styles over the years has included very Jimiesque material. Could be as said by someone else earlier, that Jimi would have developed with a wider range of styles too. But he didn't, so no disrespect to the dead fulla, but Clapton is the confirmed winner.

[eelracing]

I bought a Clapton CD yesterday. Better vocal range and I'm going for it, a better guitarist. His range of styles over the years has included very Jimiesque material. Could be as said by someone else earlier, that Jimi would have developed with a wider range of styles too. But he didn't, so no disrespect to the dead fulla, but Clapton is the confirmed winner.


Really? what has Clapton done since Harrison dragged his sorry drug addled arse out of the house all those years ago.
A turgid rendition of JJ Cales cocain???
I shot the sherriff? which any music lover would dismiss as a white mans wank compared to Bob Marleys superior version.
Tears in heaven? if i'm being generous only really appealed to bored housewives.

As for vocals who gives a shit go and watch American idol if that's your thing as Blind Faith to them is something the advertisers rely on.
Jimi still sells today (more than Clapton I expect)because he fused electric blues/rock to stratospheric heights that no one could even compare to,let alone get their heads around.
Clapton just comes across as fluffy,smug and bored today... a bit like an old sock.

[mashman]

Really? what has Clapton done since Harrison dragged his sorry drug addled arse out of the house all those years ago.
A turgid rendition of JJ Cales cocain???
I shot the sherriff? which any music lover would dismiss as a white mans wank compared to Bob Marleys superior version.
Tears in heaven? if i'm being generous only really appealed to bored housewives.

As for vocals who gives a shit go and watch American idol if that's your thing as Blind Faith to them is something the advertisers rely on.
Jimi still sells today (more than Clapton I expect)because he fused electric blues/rock to stratospheric heights that no one could even compare to,let alone get their heads around.
Clapton just comes across as fluffy,smug and bored today... a bit like an old sock.

So you don't really rate Clapton then. Picking out individual songs and dismissing the artist only shows that you have a one track mind :eek: I like the versatility of Clapton, both good and quick click the next button. Similarly with Hendrix, but he had less versatility.

[HenryDorsetCase]

So you don't really rate Clapton then. Picking out individual songs and dismissing the artist only shows that you have a one track mind :eek: I like the versatility of Clapton, both good and quick click the next button. Similarly with Hendrix, but he had less versatility.

Here's another thing: Hendrix died at his peak: Clapton arguably peaked with the Yardbirds. (in fact, arguably the entire british music scene peaked in 1968, and was moribund until 1976.... a topic for another thread). But Hendrix did not get the chance to sink into the utter mediocrity of an aging muso and their aging fans. Not to say aged fans.. So there's that.

[Maha]

So you don't really rate Clapton then. Picking out individual songs and dismissing the artist only shows that you have a one track mind :eek: I like the versatility of Clapton, both good and quick click the next button. Similarly with Hendrix, but he had less versatility.

.....and Clapton knew how to take drugs, and survive.

[MisterD]

arguably the entire british music scene peaked in 1968, and was moribund until 1976.... a topic for another thread

A topic that you should head off and argue with yourself over. It was you raving about going to see Black Sabbath (first four albums 70-74) wasn't it?

[HenryDorsetCase]

A topic that you should head off and argue with yourself over. It was you raving about going to see Black Sabbath (first four albums 70-74) wasn't it?

I am perfectly capable of arguing with myself yes. and I am a fan of the first nine Sabs albums (up to Technical Ecstacy). No, I dint go and see them at Vector. couple of reasons: They shafted Bill Ward, and they are old.

Having said that the two dates were sort of random: but you get where i am going with it? Nothing genuinely new or creative, all just derivative of stuff that peaked in 68 (Stones at the Albert Hall, maybe Woodstock though I hate hippies). after that, till we get Led Zeppelin doing 20 minute solos, Pge playing a double neck git-box using a violin bow etc etc: frivolity, pointless fret-wank and music disappearing up its own arse. mid-late 1976 was when the Sex Pistols were playing shows to 100 people, and changing popular music and culture. Or sowing the seeds for that anyway.

Its like the early Homo Sapiens and the Neanderthals: there is no clean break, there is overlap and interbreeding.

[MisterD]

Its like the early Homo Sapiens and the Neanderthals: there is no clean break, there is overlap and interbreeding.

Yeah, I get where you're going, and to sort of tie it back to the original question I see it all as part of the to-ing and fro-ing of influences between the US and UK.

Chicago blues was the major influence on all the big UK names of the 60's - Beatles, Stones, Clapton, Kinks and you can look at Hendrix as being influenced by the poppier UK sounds as well as being a direct evolution from Chicago.

If you pick the high-water mark of the UK tide as 68/69 (Stones' "Let it Bleed") it neatly lines up with the emergence of The Stooges etc, whose influence begets UK Punk and NWOBHM and they, in return, influence Metallica et al...

[Big Dave]

Shock horror. I never liked Hendrix. I appreciate the talent and originality and speed and all that - but the music is too ugly for me.

I do have Layla and 461 Ocean boulevard though.