The battle continues! Busa v ZX14

[Edbear]

I just watched a video of both bikes on what was said to be Yatabe Proving Ground showing onboard acceleration and top speeds.

Apart from the absolutely insane acceleration where the speedo needles wound far too fast around he dial to 300km/h, both bikes sat at redline of 11,000rpm and held it there.

I was watching on my iPhone so too small to read speed but I can recall a thread some time ago where we worked out the gearing on a Busa and it was doing 325km/h at redline.

Anyone know the gearing on both current bikes as to their top speeds at redline?

[Ender EnZed]

Gearing Commander (http://www.gearingcommander.com/) suggests that both bikes would be doing 324km/h at their 11000rpm redlines.

[Edbear]

Gearing Commander (http://www.gearingcommander.com/) suggests that both bikes would be doing 324km/h at their 11000rpm redlines.

That's the site I was trying to remember, thanks. The way they held those revs all the way around suggests they could each pull a higher gear. It would be interesting to see the absolute max they could achieve. Would the higher power of the ZX14 overcome the aerodynamic advantage of the Busa?

[manxkiwi]

Don't forget wheel slip/spin. Bruce Anstey supposedly did 206mph at the NW200. But the techs said (something like) 8 or 9mph was lost to slip. So he 'only' did 198mph!!!!

Impressive though, both Bruce and the two bikes you're speaking of.

[Edbear]

Don't forget wheel slip/spin. Bruce Anstey supposedly did 206mph at the NW200. But the techs said (something like) 8 or 9mph was lost to slip. So he 'only' did 198mph!!!!

Impressive though, both Bruce and the two bikes you're speaking of.

No argument there!

It would be interesting to know about the slip issue. It was a banked oval track with two very long straights and it seemed as though both bikes were hindered by gearing along each straight, like they were bored and wanting to go faster. The Busa in particular was starting to over-rev into the red, where the ZX14 just solidly sat on 11,000rpm without budging.

[The Reibz]

Always going to be a massive debate about this topic. Personally I have never ridden a zx14r so can't really have an opinion on what they are like (they look fucken ugly from the front though).

Busa has a nicer sounding engine, actually sounds like its going fast where as the zx14r sounds like it has a bit more left in it. Taken mine for a 6th gear pull all the way to 280kph (speedo indicated) and the bike was still stable as hell, honestly one of the best handling bikes i've been on. Was either going to get the busa, or the zx12r. Glad I settled on the busa because its a bloody nice bike to tour on as well.

Dont know what the aftermarket scene is like for the zx14r but you can pretty much get anything you want for the busa.
Gonna turbo mine one day, just to say I did it.

[Edbear]

Always going to be a massive debate about this topic. Personally I have never ridden a zx14r so can't really have an opinion on what they are like (they look fucken ugly from the front though).

Busa has a nicer sounding engine, actually sounds like its going fast where as the zx14r sounds like it has a bit more left in it. Taken mine for a 6th gear pull all the way to 280kph (speedo indicated) and the bike was still stable as hell, honestly one of the best handling bikes i've been on. Was either going to get the busa, or the zx12r. Glad I settled on the busa because its a bloody nice bike to tour on as well.

Dont know what the aftermarket scene is like for the zx14r but you can pretty much get anything you want for the busa.
Gonna turbo mine one day, just to say I did it.

I wonder why the others don't try to match these two? I have always been a Busa fan, but have to acknowledge the ZX14's capabilities. A comfy sport tourer that just happens to double as a hyper-bike, or vice versa according to one tester.

I'm not fussed on the 14's styling either, to be honest.

[kiwifruit]

Neither will do 300kmh in stock trim.

300kmh indicated, sure!

[bucket boy]

Neither will do 300kmh in stock trim.

300kmh indicated, sure!

Like you said mr fruity my 2007 14 has a 340 kph speedo fitted did 317 at cliffhanger sprints actuall reading 283.bike had done about 1000ks from new I think.

[kiwifruit]

I did 299 actual on a 04 busa (at the cliffhanger) with pipes, filter and PC. Speedo was over 340. Just on redline in top.

[Edbear]

They are factory restricted to 300km/h. These were derestricted and also I asked about the gearing to get the true speed.

Speedo readings can certainly be way over optimistic.

[kiwifruit]

The busa I rode was derestricted. Redline in top is around 345 on the speedo (hard to tell, it's past the last number by a fair way). Do all the sums you like, it's not going to do 300+ without serious mods (lowering + NOS / Forced induction)

[Katman]

The busa I rode was derestricted. Redline in top is around 345 on the speedo (hard to tell, it's past the last number by a fair way). Do all the sums you like, it's not going to do 300+ without serious mods (lowering + NOS / Forced induction)

You better not be questioning Edbear's research!

:angry2:

[SpeedMonger]

They are both fricken ugly and pointless, they make the VFR look good lol

[Owl]

They are both fricken ugly and pointless, they make the VFR look good lol

And you ride a Speed Triple?:confused:

[Edbear]

The busa I rode was derestricted. Redline in top is around 345 on the speedo (hard to tell, it's past the last number by a fair way). Do all the sums you like, it's not going to do 300+ without serious mods (lowering + NOS / Forced induction)

Shirley, if it is geared to do 324km/h at 11,000rpm then it must be unless the tachometer is also over reading?

Two Wheels Australia got the original up to 311km/h on Avalon airfield as a true top speed.

[manxkiwi]

Shirley, if it is geared to do 324km/h at 11,000rpm then it must be unless the tachometer is also over reading?

Two Wheels Australia got the original up to 311km/h on Avalon airfield as a true top speed.

R6 was well documented to have an over reading tacho. Tach and speedo are probably exactly the same units behind the dials, just set to read different pulses. So could, perhaps, be be out by the same percentage?

[Edbear]

R6 was well documented to have an over reading tacho. Tach and speedo are probably exactly the same units behind the dials, just set to read different pulses. So could, perhaps, be be out by the same percentage?

I'll see if I can find out. The original Busa had 175hp to achieve that speed whereas the latest have 197hp so it makes sense seeing as another Aussie mag got 320km/h by removing mirrors and tweaking the engine to 200hp.

[Edbear]

The busa I rode was derestricted. Redline in top is around 345 on the speedo (hard to tell, it's past the last number by a fair way). Do all the sums you like, it's not going to do 300+ without serious mods (lowering + NOS / Forced induction)

On the video, both bikes showed 11,000rpm and same top speed suggesting similar gearing. Would both bikes have their rev counters out by the same?

[nodrog]

I have seen a hayabusa do an actual not indicated 324kph, but it did have a massive blue bottle on the side of it.

And that gearing commander site it pretty fucken useless if you are dumb enough to think that putting a 36 tooth frot sprocket and a 12 tooth rear sprocket is going to make you busa do 756kph.

[The Reibz]

An undertail kit will also boost the top speed a little bit, gets rid of the horrible mudflap, rear indicators and number plate setup which just acts like a parachute behind the bike. Aledged 20kph onto the top speed. I heard on the grape vine that you can actually lose a few km off the top speed by removing the mirrors. Also seen dyno testing on other vehicles where an aftermarket filter actually recorded a 1.5 to 4hp loss.

Rider weight would also be something to consider. im sure a 65kg Thai guy would go faster than your average 90kg kiwibloke

[Edbear]

I have seen a hayabusa do an actual not indicated 324kph, but it did have a massive blue bottle on the side of it.

And that gearing commander site it pretty fucken useless if you are dumb enough to think that putting a 36 tooth frot sprocket and a 12 tooth rear sprocket is going to make you busa do 756kph.

P/t? :rolleyes:

Theoretical of course... It is a calculator, not a test track.

[imdying]

Probably a tool best left to those that actually ride motorcycles.

[Edbear]

Probably a tool best left to those that actually ride motorcycles.

:sleep: :violin:

[imdying]

A site for all New Zealand Motorcyclists.... not wannabes that are only here to hawk their wares :msn-wink:

[Edbear]

A site for all New Zealand Motorcyclists.... not wannabes that are only here to hawk their wares :msn-wink:

:yawn: ....

[SPman]

I like the new ZX14R - looks a lot cleaner, is lighter than the old one with a bigger motor & apparently handles really well. The current Busa looks like someone left the old one under a heat lamp - doesn't look to comfortable either. Both have enormous amounts of power - the current 14 perhaps slightly more than the Busa (stock) At $20k otr, the 14 would be my choice.

[Edbear]

I like the new ZX14R - looks a lot cleaner, is lighter than the old one with a bigger motor & apparently handles really well. The current Busa looks like someone left the old one under a heat lamp - doesn't look to comfortable either. Both have enormous amounts of power - the current 14 perhaps slightly more than the Busa (stock) At $20k otr, the 14 would be my choice.

LOL! I do like the Busa's style, though of course individual tastes vary. I feel the 14's front looks too big, but having seen one in the metal, it's not as bad as pics suggest.

Both bikes have their merits and both have dedicated owners who wouldn't consider the other. I tend to judge each bike on its merits rather than by brand.

[Edbear]

An undertail kit will also boost the top speed a little bit, gets rid of the horrible mudflap, rear indicators and number plate setup which just acts like a parachute behind the bike. Aledged 20kph onto the top speed. I heard on the grape vine that you can actually lose a few km off the top speed by removing the mirrors. Also seen dyno testing on other vehicles where an aftermarket filter actually recorded a 1.5 to 4hp loss.

Rider weight would also be something to consider. im sure a 65kg Thai guy would go faster than your average 90kg kiwibloke

With this power, I doubt it would make a measurable difference. These bikes will pull anything to ridiculous speeds in the blink of an eye! :laugh:

[Ender EnZed]

And that gearing commander site it pretty fucken useless if you are dumb enough to think that putting a 36 tooth frot sprocket and a 12 tooth rear sprocket is going to make you busa do 756kph.

Actually, with that gearing it'd do 2322.4km/h if you could get it to redline in top gear.

Might need a bit of a hill. And maybe a tailwind.

[Geeen]

Can we have a link to this video you saw?

Not sent from an iDevice

[Edbear]

Can we have a link to this video you saw?

Not sent from an iDevice

I found it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW6kAXVMsR4

It seems as though the busa rider was backing off a bit on the banking.

[caspernz]

Hahahaha, who cares whether the Busa or the 14 are the fastest?? Firstly a GPS speedo will decide the true winner, but in the end I reckon anyone obsessed with this question simply doesn't have the balls or the money to pin either of these bikes to the throttle stop in top gear...not that we'd have a place to do this in NZ anyway...

Both of these bikes are more like a V8 car anywayz, lots of grunt but low on true sport, that's where the litre bikes come into it...:devil2:

[Grizzo]

Hahahaha, who cares whether the Busa or the 14 are the fastest?? Firstly a GPS speedo will decide the true winner, but in the end I reckon anyone obsessed with this question simply doesn't have the balls or the money to pin either of these bikes to the throttle stop in top gear...not that we'd have a place to do this in NZ anyway...

Both of these bikes are more like a V8 car anywayz, lots of grunt but low on true sport, that's where the litre bikes come into it...:devil2:

Yep, both are hornbag bikes with more poke than a catholic school girl.

[98tls]

Neither will do 300kmh in stock trim.

300kmh indicated, sure!

Correct,interesting thread but for all the wrong reasons.Put whatever numbers you like on a dial the reality is 300 clicks an hour is something fuck all will see on 2 wheels and penny to a pound nobody on here,no matter what the salesman told you....

[nzspokes]

I found it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW6kAXVMsR4

It seems as though the busa rider was backing off a bit on the banking.

Is it just me or is the Kawaka more stable at that speed? Busa looks to move about a bit.

[DMNTD]

Both of these bikes are more like a V8 car anywayz, lots of grunt but low on true sport, that's where the litre bikes come into it...:devil2:

Our old ZX14 certainly didn't have too much problems keeping up where it mattered, granted with more rider input than required on a wee litre bike. Criiiky...even my Diavel has no issues keeping up in the twisties :eek:

I have found both the Suzi and Kwaka's mint to ride but we chose the ZX14 due to its lower centre of gravity...it felt lighter to ride.
Both of them are fast as fuck in a straight line, but who really cares?

[Owl]

Both of them are fast as fuck in a straight line, but who really cares?

I care.:rolleyes:

:laugh:

[Edbear]

Is it just me or is the Kawaka more stable at that speed? Busa looks to move about a bit.

Yeah, the 14 was simply rock solid but I felt the Busa may have needed the rear settings adjusted better. It was moving a bit on the banking as the load came on, requiring the rider to back off a bit.

With this kind of bike, I guess preference is down to style and feel as they are both at the top of the tree. For me it's the Busa on style but I recognise the Kawa may be easier to ride and more comfortable going by comments of those who have ridden both.

Busa owners are pretty dedicated, though. I think the Busa has the cachet, being the original and the first and being the only one for so long it has a special place in history.

[Maha]

The ZX14 wins the battle when it comes to asthetics, the Busa is butt ugly.

PS: Spokes, whats a Kawaka?

[Madness]

Criiiky...even my Diavel has no issues keeping up in the twisties :eek:

Once the necessary ground clearance modification has been performed and ideally with narrow profile boots?

Ed, the Busa wasn't the first and hasn't been the only one at all. It has been part of a progression starting with the ZZR1100, then the Blackbird, Gen1 Busa, ZX12-R, the ZX14, Gen2 Busa and finally the ZX14-R.

[jolly_26]

To someone new to bikes they both seem a little pointless.
That said, so does a Harley, and yet some people still love them.

[Madness]

To someone new to bikes they both seem a little pointless.
That said, so does a Harley, and yet some people still love them.

To someone who's been riding a while 50cc shitheap scooters could seem a little pointless too. That said, it's not what you've got - it's what you do with it that counts.

[Edbear]

To someone new to bikes they both seem a little pointless.
That said, so does a Harley, and yet some people still love them.

Bikes are less about logic and practicality, more about desire and emotion. Sure you can question the logic of a bike that can do 160km/h in first gear for the road but that is irrelevant to the feeling you get when you are riding the bike of your dreams and desires.

It is that intangible, that appeal to the soul, that joy and pleasure that is so hard to define and quantify. Only a biker can understand. That is also why "practical" bikes don't sell in large numbers.

[jolly_26]

To someone who's been riding a while 50cc shitheap scooters could seem a little pointless too. That said, it's not what you've got - it's what you do with it that counts.

hahahaha I forgot my account still says that! Fair enough, I guess it's what I always say to others that question my choice in transport modes; "If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand".

[bluninja]

Correct,interesting thread but for all the wrong reasons.Put whatever numbers you like on a dial the reality is 300 clicks an hour is something fuck all will see on 2 wheels and penny to a pound nobody on here,no matter what the salesman told you....

Ya think? I've done an indicated 275 on a ZX9R...I'm sure I could get the needle to 300 if the bike was capable. Going in a straight line is easy....braking from 275 to 40 when someones fiddled with your brake span adjustment is a different matter. :bleh:

Would like to get a ZX14R in the future....I'll have to wait till they bring out a blue colour scheme again <_<

[Ender EnZed]

The ZX14 wins the battle when it comes to asthetics, the Busa is butt ugly.


I believe "distinctive" is the word you're looking for.


Ed, the Busa wasn't the first and hasn't been the only one at all. It has been part of a progression starting with the ZZR1100, then the Blackbird, Gen1 Busa, ZX12-R, the ZX14, Gen2 Busa and finally the ZX14-R.

The Gen 1 Hayabusa was the first to break 300km/h and the last to hold the title of Fastest Production Motorcycle before manufacturers started limiting their bikes. The ZX14 might be a better bike in every way but it'll never have as significant a place in the history of motorcycles.

[Madness]

The Gen 1 Hayabusa was the first to break 300km/h and the last to hold the title of Fastest Production Motorcycle before manufacturers started limiting their bikes. The ZX14 might be a better bike in every way but it'll never have as significant a place in the history of motorcycles.

You're right. A good example of good luck rather than anything else. The ZX12-R A1 was a Busa-beater right outta the box but timing meant that Kawasaki had to restrict them from the first model with a few A1 models reportedly making it off the wharf before these restrictions could be affected.

The Hayabusa is hardly the only one of its kind though.

[*caution*]

I always thought the gen 1 busa has been recorded "officially" (what ever that means) achieving an actual 312 km/hr (indicated 334) in stock form, before they were limited to indicated 300, putting their actual top speed in the 270-280's.

Gen 2's are a bit more powerful but still limited to 300, delimited they are likely to exceed 312 actual? depends how their aero compares to the original I guess, Certainly not with my weight onboard anyway.

Of course tires, rider weight, wind etc all play a part.

I ride a Gen 2 Busa, at the time I bought, the Gen 2 zx14 wasn't out, I prefered the looks of the Busa over the gen 1 zx14, especially the instrument panel on the busa, after all thats what you see more off when your on it!

The thing about these bikes that make them a joy for daily riding is the TORQUE, you hardly need to change gear, oodles of acceleration on tap in any gear any RPM, you can pull away comfortably in 3rd...

I found myself craving a litre bike when I took it for a track day though.

Have been meaning to test ride the latest 14 sometime.

Though I'm not die hard, I'll happily have both in the garage if powerball comes in!

[Edbear]

Shirley, if it is geared to do 324km/h at 11,000rpm then it must be unless the tachometer is also over reading?

Two Wheels Australia got the original up to 311km/h on Avalon airfield as a true top speed.


I'll see if I can find out. The original Busa had 175hp to achieve that speed whereas the latest have 197hp so it makes sense seeing as another Aussie mag got 320km/h by removing mirrors and tweaking the engine to 200hp.


On the video, both bikes showed 11,000rpm and same top speed suggesting similar gearing. Would both bikes have their rev counters out by the same?


I always thought the gen 1 busa has been recorded "officially" (what ever that means) achieving an actual 312 km/hr (indicated 334) in stock form, before they were limited to indicated 300, putting their actual top speed in the 270-280's.

Gen 2's are a bit more powerful but still limited to 300, delimited they are likely to exceed 312 actual? depends how their aero compares to the original I guess, Certainly not with my weight onboard anyway.

Of course tires, rider weight, wind etc all play a part.

I ride a Gen 2 Busa, at the time I bought, the Gen 2 zx14 wasn't out, I prefered the looks of the Busa over the gen 1 zx14, especially the instrument panel on the busa, after all thats what you see more off when your on it!

The thing about these bikes that make them a joy for daily riding is the TORQUE, you hardly need to change gear, oodles of acceleration on tap in any gear any RPM, you can pull away comfortably in 3rd...

I found myself craving a litre bike when I took it for a track day though.

Have been meaning to test ride the latest 14 sometime.

Though I'm not die hard, I'll happily have both in the garage if powerball comes in!

Thereyago! :rolleyes:

I agree they are not track bikes, but road bikes, whereas the litre bikes are all about racing, like the 600's. Funny thing is, the litre bikes are now puting out same or better HP, so are achieving the 300km/h limits easily.

Has anyone topped out a Gixxer thou to record actual top speed? Are they also knobbled?

[*caution*]

Thereyago! :rolleyes:
thing is, the litre bikes are now puting out same or better HP, so are achieving the 300km/h limits easily.



not in the same ball park torque wise though, (not that they are short on torque either!!, just that the hyper bikes are insane).

even with the hyper bikes being heavier, the reduction in torque was quite noticable when I jumped on a late model gixxer recently

[*caution*]

Not sure how well known this is but..

Have a mate who worked for triumph was telling me they had a still born project called 200/200/200.

The goal was a hyper bike that could achieve 200hp, 200mph, and weigh 200kg

They got a reasonable way into it, my mate was designing the assembly line and said they had a wierd concept design where the chain went through the swining arm and it was a bit of a problem for assembly as you then had to thread it through the hole, not very effecient for assembly.

[Drew]

...penny to a pound nobody on here...

Bounced my Ray Clee tuned, 190 rear wheel horse power, ex Haldane superbike of the limiter in top cog a couple times. Wearing a 195/60 section rear hoop too.

[Edbear]

I watched a vid of a Gixxer thou on test at Phillip Island with the speedo reading 299 in 5th!

[Drew]

I watched a vid of a Gixxer thou on test at Phillip Island with the speedo reading 299 in 5th!Ignored the speedo on my road going gixxer. Above 100k's the speedo inaccuracy increased exponentially.

[Edbear]

Ignored the speedo on my road going gixxer. Above 100k's the speedo inaccuracy increased exponentially.

The Gixxer forum I looked up said the Gearing Commander calculated top speed to be 291km/h at redline.

[Drew]

The Gixxer forum I looked up said the Gearing Commander calculated top speed to be 291km/h at redline.
Sounds about right. Only time my K2 hit the limiter in top was when you leaned it over going through some kinks on the fastest part of the cliffhanger hill climb. I thought it was clutch slip till we realised it was getting off the tallest part of the tyre and effectively gearing it lower.

[Kickaha]

Two Wheels Australia got the original up to 311km/h on Avalon airfield as a true top speed.


I always thought the gen 1 busa has been recorded "officially" (what ever that means) achieving an actual 312 km/hr (indicated 334) in stock form, before they were limited to indicated 300, putting their actual top speed in the 270-280's.


John Hepburn ran 307kmh at Edendale in 2000 on a Hayabusa which was a NZ record at the time

[Edbear]

John Hepburn ran 307kmh at Edendale in 2000 on a Hayabusa which was a NZ record at the time

I remember now, that was impressive. There were some wild claims made at the time, mainly by Pommie mags of a genuine 320 but I reckoned the Aus and NZ reports were right.

[307a]

Neither will do 300kmh in stock trim.

300kmh indicated, sure!

I think you will find this one might do 315kph plus in current stock trim !!

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=589341800

[kiwifruit]

I think you will find this one might do 315kph plus in current stock trim !!

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=589341800

It'll do 315 in 5th, on the clock

[307a]

It'll do 315 in 5th, on the clock

No Alan it will do 315kph in top gear !! I test rode it yesterday and my iPhone GPS said 315kph :rolleyes:

[kiwifruit]

No Alan it will do 315kph in top gear !! I test rode it yesterday and my iPhone GPS said 315kph :rolleyes:

did you forget about 6th gear?

[307a]

did you forget about 6th gear?

Jesus weaped, like I said top gear !!

Don't tell Alistar lol

[307a]

Or Scummy lol

[kiwifruit]

they have 6 gears bro, should be good for 335-340

there is no such thing as god, sorry

[307a]

they have 6 gears bro, should be good for 335-340

there is no such thing as god, sorry

Mr Kiwifurit,

Have you ever ridden a FULL HORSE power Hayabusa ?

I did in 1999 and raced my Full horse power 1997 Blackbird, the 99 Busa pulled away from the blackbird at its top speed of 290kphish.

[kiwifruit]

Amen
.

[Drew]

my iPhone GPS said 315kph :rolleyes:Oh, that is certainly the most accurate way to measure speed.:laugh:

[Edbear]

http://gpssystems.net/accurate-gpsbased-speedometer/

March Net tested GPS to accurate to .2m/s or .66ft/sec.

Pretty good I thought. I was wondering just how much I could rely on mine.

[roogazza]

Was having a read through this thread this morning.
Was thinking, every time I get on my bike I think fuck, this is fast! Honestly I hardly get to the top end nowdays, you just know the things will do these incredible speeds.
Considering as a young fella on the new Japanese 250s of 1965 we went everywhere lying on the tank trying to get to the magical 'Ton" 160kph !
I suspect my current ride would probably do close to 160ks in 1st gear if you revved the shit out of the thing ? How times change.

[Edbear]

My first bike was a 1951 B31 BSA 350, top speed lying on the tank was 72mph, (116km/h), confirmed by my mate following on his CB360 while he was sitting up! Highlight of ownership was dragging off an FJ Holden up Bank St. in Warkworth.

Second bike was a '72 T500 Suzuki which was a rocket by comparison! Top speed indicated was 112mph, (180km/h), and it would do the 1/4 in the same time as a Ferrari of the day, at 13sec. It was rated at 45hp.

Fastest bike I've owned was my '89 GSX600F with 80hp and indicated 215 and climbing before backing off. (Officer. :rolleyes:) This bike gave me a scare as I wasn't used to the rate of acceleration and was playing with an Audi when we came to a bend at a speed I wasn't prepared for. The bend was cresting a hill and curving down to the right. The Audi with 4WD and big fat tyres made it easily but I had to brake hard into the corner and ran wide. Two things impressed me - the rate of braking possible deep into a corner and how far handling had progressed. On the T500 with its drum brakes and rubber frame I would probably have hit the wall.

To see video or in person, the way modern bikes go is still an amazing thing for this old guy!

[roogazza]

And we used to moan about the MOT, looking back there were bugger all around !
Compared to Police and their radars and Lasers today.
Didn't appreciate how good we had it ?

[Edbear]

And we used to moan about the MOT, looking back there were bugger all around !
Compared to Police and their radars and Lasers today.
Didn't appreciate how good we had it ?

Too right! Far less traffic, too! We virtually had the country to ourselves. When I was courting, I'd hop on the T500 and travel 500km to visit my then girlfriend. (Musta been worth it, we've been married 35 years now...)

It was an adventure in itself and I'd often take the long way, just for the fun of it. At times you'd meet another biker at a gas station and ride together for while. These days is seems speed is the essence as you see big bikes travelling past. One of the reasons I ended up with the C50T was that it could relaxingly cruise at around the speed limit, like the old T500, but could do the same top speed if you needed, (!), to. At least it would indicate 170...

I always wonder how the riders of Hyperbikes can endure the open road speed limits here. These things are comfy to cruise at double that! :shifty:

[DMNTD]

I always wonder how the riders of Hyperbikes can endure the open road speed limits here. These things are comfy to cruise at double that! :shifty:
Find a set of corners and start enjoying.

[Edbear]

Find a set of corners and start enjoying.

I guess it's the old adage, you have to experience it... Sadly for me that is unlikely now, but I live in hope.

[bucket boy]

I guess it's the old adage, you have to experience it... Sadly for me that is unlikely now, but I live in hope.
Life is what you make it.

[DMNTD]

Life is what you make it.

Damn fookin straight Mr Shiny Pants! :headbang:

[Edbear]

Life is what you make it.

Yeah, I broke my back in a car accident which has left me with a permanent disability and a ladderwork of Titanium. I can walk and drive, but along with a chronic illness and Osteoporosis, I have been strongly advised by my surgeon not to risk paraplegia by riding a bike anymore. One fall could do it. :no:

I can't even jog, let alone run... But I'm alive and still upright, so make the most of each day! :niceone:

I keep involved in motorcycling through racing sponsorship and business though. And who knows, one day...

[DMNTD]

Yeah, I broke my back in a car accident which has left me with a permanent disability and a ladderwork of Titanium. I can walk and drive, but along with a chronic illness and Osteoporosis, I have been strongly advised by my surgeon not to risk paraplegia by riding a bike any more. One fall could do it. :no:

I can't even jog, let alone run... But I'm alive and still upright, so make the most of each day! :niceone:

I keep involved in motorcycling through racing sponsorship and business though. And who knows, one day...

From what you have just posted (only), I assure you that you are in a better physical, let alone mental state than Bucketboy.
However we all make our own choices

[Drew]

From what you have just posted (only), I assure you that you are in a better physical, let alone mental state than Bucketboy.
However we all make our own choices Is he the dude in a wheel chair I've seen at Hampton a couple times?

[DMNTD]

Is he the dude in a wheel chair I've seen at Hampton a couple times?

Nah he's the nutter that rides a c/f 999 or ZX14 or MV Senna...Princess Gordie's cuddle friend

[Edbear]

From what you have just posted (only), I assure you that you are in a better physical, let alone mental state than Bucketboy.
However we all make our own choices

We do, and I'm not for a minute saying "Woe is me!" There are many who are a lot worse off and proving the strength of their spirit.

Certainly it hurts not being able to indulge a love I've had for 43 years now, but I do have to consider the consequences and the feelings of my family. My wife in particular has had to put up with me being wheelchair bound a few years ago and again nearly dying in the accident. She couldn't face me being a cripple again and I wouldn't want to put her through that, (again), if I can avoid it.

So it is my choice not to ride and take that risk. If it was only me, I would never have sold my bike and would still ride regardless. Younger people who still bounce when they fall can come back a lot easier and heal faster. With my condition and Osteo, I won't bounce, I'll just shatter...

[Drew]

Nah he's the nutter that rides a c/f 999 or ZX14 or MV Senna...Princess Gordie's cuddle friend
Don't think I've met him. Sounds like my kinda guy...other than his taste in bikes of course.

[The Reibz]

I always wonder how the riders of Hyperbikes can endure the open road speed limits here. These things are comfy to cruise at double that
Done Matamata to Cambridge in just under 30mins. Didn't look at the speedo, pretty sure I was above the limit by 1 or 2kph though.
Favourite road would have to be from Matamata to Tauranga going over the Kaimais. Lots of good sweepers going up the hill. Whoever said these bikes are only good in a straight line is wrong and really needs to ride one round a good set of bends to see how confortable they are. Pop alright wheelies to depending on how loose your wrist is...

[Edbear]

Done Matamata to Cambridge in just under 30mins. Didn't look at the speedo, pretty sure I was above the limit by 1 or 2kph though.
Favourite road would have to be from Matamata to Tauranga going over the Kaimais. Lots of good sweepers going up the hill. Whoever said these bikes are only good in a straight line is wrong and really needs to ride one round a good set of bends to see how confortable they are. Pop alright wheelies to depending on how loose your wrist is...

There's a nice back-road through there, I think it goes through a place starting with T? We lived in Morrinsville until 14 years ago when we moved up here, so I got to know the Waikato pretty well.

[The Reibz]

Yeah its good apart from the bugs. Got smacked by some absolute monsters

[Edbear]

Yeah its good apart from the bugs. Got smacked by some absolute monsters

That part I don't miss... A huge Bumble Bee hits like a stone at your visor! Washing bugs off the front of everything was a regular chore!

[roogazza]

That part I don't miss... A huge Bumble Bee hits like a stone at your visor! Washing bugs off the front of everything was a regular chore!
This is a busaVzx14 thread but hey ! Luck was on my side Sunday on the north side of the Tukas. I'm heading up and a clown with 4 or 5 metre lengths of corrigated iron propped up on the cab of a small truck was heading down. From thirty metres I saw the iron lifting and pinned it ! just missed me, could've had my ugly head off.
Made me think for a bit,......... 64yrs and still here.

[Edbear]

This is a busaVzx14 thread but hey ! Luck was on my side Sunday on the north side of the Tukas. I'm heading up and a clown with 4 or 5 metre lengths of corrigated iron propped up on the cab of a small truck was heading down. From thirty metres I saw the iron lifting and pinned it ! just missed me, could've had my ugly head off.
Made me think for a bit,......... 64yrs and still here.

One of my wife's old biking mates from Taihape did lose his head that way. He was passing the truck and the truck driver saw a headless biker pass him. That was about 40 years ago...

[*caution*]

One of my wife's old biking mates from Taihape did lose his head that way. He was passing the truck and the truck driver saw a headless biker pass him. That was about 40 years ago...

wifes tale? Or confirmation of the myth?

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/decapmot.asp

[Edbear]

wifes tale? Or confirmation of the myth?

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/decapmot.asp

She wasn't on the ride that day. But it was definitely true. It was a mate of her then boyfriend. She is not sure of the exact story but it definitely chopped his head off. Badly affected the boys on the ride. 40 years is a long time ago and she could find out his name if she can contact one of the guys.

[*caution*]

She wasn't on the ride that day. But it was definitely true. It was a mate of her then boyfriend. She is not sure of the exact story but it definitely chopped his head off. Badly affected the boys on the ride. 40 years is a long time ago and she could find out his name if she can contact one of the guys.

That would have definitely been a horrific thing to witness!

[Edbear]

That would have definitely been a horrific thing to witness!

She was glad she wasn't on the ride that day. That would never leave you.

[*caution*]

Back on Topic, I'm hoping Suzuki have a Gen 3 Busa on the way, no doubt with all the latest tricks, ABS, TC etc

Goes without saying it would have to be more powerful than the Gen 2 zx14, that means 165 Nm+ :eek:

[roogazza]

She was glad she wasn't on the ride that day. That would never leave you.

No bud, it never does. I first felt the weight of a human head at age 24.
I can still name the three young fellas in the car that went under a milk truck. I did many but that one in particular won't leave me.

Anyway Busas, I could live with one of those, I went with the K6 a few years ago now, purely for it's light weight and ability to leap in the air !! :devil2:

[Edbear]

Back on Topic, I'm hoping Suzuki have a Gen 3 Busa on the way, no doubt with all the latest tricks, ABS, TC etc

Goes without saying it would have to be more powerful than the Gen 2 zx14, that means 165 Nm+ :eek:

You can bet your bike the manufacturers would be itching to go for broke! :msn-wink:


No bud, it never does. I first felt the weight of a human head at age 24.
I can still name the three young fellas in the car that went under a milk truck. I did many but that one in particular won't leave me.

Anyway Busas, I could live with one of those, I went with the K6 a few years ago now, purely for it's light weight and ability to leap in the air !! :devil2:

I could happily see one in my garage! My personal favourite ever sports bike is the GSX750R, to my mind the ultimate road weapon!

[The Reibz]

Factory Turbo option for the Gen3?

[*caution*]

Factory Turbo option for the Gen3?

There is strong rumours of kawasaki coming out with a supercharged hyperbike, though the latest zx14 may have put an end to those, but they have applyed for the relevant patents which means they have at least been considering it.

[Jantar]

She wasn't on the ride that day. But it was definitely true. It was a mate of her then boyfriend. She is not sure of the exact story but it definitely chopped his head off. Badly affected the boys on the ride. 40 years is a long time ago and she could find out his name if she can contact one of the guys.
It was around September 1973 or 1974. Reported in the ODT at the time and a major topic of conversation at the Blossum Festival miniture TT, but I can't remember the exact year.

[Edbear]

It was around September 1973 or 1974. Reported in the ODT at the time and a major topic of conversation at the Blossum Festival miniture TT, but I can't remember the exact year.

It was mid '70's. I met Jill in '75. I'll see if I can dig it up.

[The Reibz]

There is strong rumours of kawasaki coming out with a supercharged hyperbike, though the latest zx14 may have put an end to those, but they have applyed for the relevant patents which means they have at least been considering it.

Mean. About time bikes started to get serious with forced induction now that fuel injection is the standard.
Bro are you the guy that rides the orange Gen2 around the devonport area?

[*caution*]

Mean. About time bikes started to get serious with forced induction now that fuel injection is the standard.
Bro are you the guy that rides the orange Gen2 around the devonport area?

Not me bro, mine is the blue/gold wheels, I'm in the browns bay area, I also have a twin riding around in Browns Bay with same colour as me also has twin carbon yoshis like mine, was like looking in a mirror when I saw him ride by once haha.

Also seen a white one frequently in browns bay parked outside one of the cafes.

[The Reibz]

Boo. Seems like there are alot of busa riders around though ay, theres a 2012 zx12r owner that works with me, still haven't given him a drag yet hahaha
I know the colour scheme you mean and in this mans opinion its definitely the best. I just ordered a undertail kit and custom guage faces for mine from Tim at PashinitBusa.
Would you ever consider turboing your ride? Im seriously considering it over the next couple of years.

[*caution*]

Boo. Seems like there are alot of busa riders around though ay, theres a 2012 zx12r owner that works with me, still haven't given him a drag yet hahaha
I know the colour scheme you mean and in this mans opinion its definitely the best. I just ordered a undertail kit and custom guage faces for mine from Tim at PashinitBusa.
Would you ever consider turboing your ride? Im seriously considering it over the next couple of years.

It would definitely be a fun project!! I did look at some kits online, weren't cheap tho.

[roogazza]

It would definitely be a fun project!! I did look at some kits online, weren't cheap tho.

I have a mate here in kapiti that has an 04 Busa he put a supercharger kit on.
He hasn't let me loose on it yet and hardly rides at all himself.
He also has a fleet of bikes, about 10 !!!!! Just loves building them.
Last time I saw him, 99 Busa, B king, 1340 Bandit, V max with Nos, Gsxr750, gsx1400, BSA Rocket3 1970, Busa with charger, gs1200ss, 7/11. Yep thats 10.

[Ender EnZed]

I always wonder how the riders of Hyperbikes can endure the open road speed limits here. These things are comfy to cruise at double that! :shifty:

It's really no different from any other big bike. Even on something like a Bandit or a VTR with "only" 100hp you can do 100km/h in first gear and the rate of acceleration doesn't let up until go-to-jail (or at least court) speeds. You just have to ride with an eye on the speedo until you get to the proper roads, where no ones watching.



Would you ever consider turboing your ride? Im seriously considering it over the next couple of years.

It would definitely be a fun project!! I did look at some kits online, weren't cheap tho.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-580299348.htm

400hp sounds pretty good...

[Edbear]

It's really no different from any other big bike. Even on something like a Bandit or a VTR with "only" 100hp you can do 100km/h in first gear and the rate of acceleration doesn't let up until go-to-jail (or at least court) speeds. You just have to ride with an eye on the speedo until you get to the proper roads, where no ones watching.

400hp sounds pretty good...

I guess so, I found my GSX600F easy to keep to legal speeds and even the M109R was okay but the 1250S was very hard to get used to. I needed more time with it but they finished my bike service too quick and I had to give it back... :rolleyes:

[The Reibz]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-580299348.htm

400hp sounds pretty good...


I been watching this auction for a while. Sure is a unigue bike. Wouldn't mind doing it to my own bike someday, that thing is just asking to be dragged though. Might need a heavy output shaft, apparently the stock one is easy to strip once you go turbo

[Edbear]

I been watching this auction for a while. Sure is a unigue bike. Wouldn't mind doing it to my own bike someday, that thing is just asking to be dragged though. Might need a heavy output shaft, apparently the stock one is easy to strip once you go turbo

I like it, I think it would be worth getting and hanging on to. If you have the cash available of course...

[Glowerss]

I been watching this auction for a while. Sure is a unigue bike. Wouldn't mind doing it to my own bike someday, that thing is just asking to be dragged though. Might need a heavy output shaft, apparently the stock one is easy to strip once you go turbo

I feel sorry for the bugger trying to sell that thing. Have you seen the comments section? The amount of legitimately dumb ass questions (Gee shouldn't it do 400kph with 400HP?) hurts the brain. :no:

[Banditbandit]

Ibut the 1250S was very hard to get used to. I needed more time with it but they finished my bike service too quick and I had to give it back... :rolleyes:

I've had my 1250S four years now ... I think I'm used to it ... but I struggle to keep it to legal speeds ..

Last time I left Dorkland heading south the thing called a "motorway" was bad - drizzling and trucks doing 15ks ...but the long straight before the climb to Bombay was completely empty of cars and cops .. the bike was so excited it went passed 200 klicks on the clock before I could reel it in ...

[Edbear]

I've had my 1250S four years now ... I think I'm used to it ... but I struggle to keep it to legal speeds ..

Last time I left Dorkland heading south the thing called a "motorway" was bad - drizzling and trucks doing 15ks ...but the long straight before the climb to Bombay was completely empty of cars and cops .. the bike was so excited it went passed 200 klicks on the clock before I could reel it in ...

That's pretty much what I felt. I loved it for traffic, though, as it was higher than my C50T and narrower. But playing with an XR8 in traffic, (well, sorta sitting back, smug in the knowledge I was only a mere twist of the wrist away from leaving him for dead...), passing up the Albany hill in towards Oteha Valley turn-off, I glanced down to see 160+ and didn't realise I was going that fast! So much smooth torque! It was rather addictive!

[*caution*]

I feel sorry for the bugger trying to sell that thing. Have you seen the comments section? The amount of legitimately dumb ass questions (Gee shouldn't it do 400kph with 400HP?) hurts the brain. :no:

Some of those comments are so funny, the owner is showing great diplomacy with his responses.

[The Reibz]

Unveiling of the 2014 model tonight at Colemans Suzuki from 5pm. Anyone else from here going?

[Banditbandit]

Unveiling of the 2014 model tonight at Colemans Suzuki from 5pm. Anyone else from here going?

Fuck ... it's only MAY !!! What do you mean the 2014 model??? Surely it will be a 2013 model ???

[The Reibz]

2014 model...

Well after sitting through a 40 minute presentation from Alpinestars about there insanely over priced gear that i'm never going to buy, the bikes finally got revealed.

Exact same shape as all the other 2nd Gen bikes. They didn't even read off any stats or tell us what was new and I really couldn't be fucked asking one of them because I had already been standing around for 2 hours and just wanted to get the fuck out of there. Only thing I noticed was the Brembo front callipers, everything else looked the same. They started one with yoshi cans. Sounded the same but to quiet, needed the baffles removed. Nice looking bike though, anything is when its brand new.

Guess the Gen3 is probably still a few years away but I won't be going to another colemans launch anytime soon (cheers for the free pepsi though)

[roogazza]

Unveiling of the 2014 model tonight at Colemans Suzuki from 5pm. Anyone else from here going?
You just know these unveilings are really for selling you stuff right ?
Here you go for 2014:

282622
Oops sorry ignore that one !
282623
Brembo and ABS.

[Drew]

You just know these unveilings are really for selling you stuff right ?
Here you go for 2014:

Oops sorry ignore that one !
What the hell is going on with her nipples? It must be fuckin freezing wherever she is.

[roogazza]

What the hell is going on with her nipples? It must be fuckin freezing wherever she is.

You could take an eye out with one of those !
Yeah cold , or she might have been thinking about me ??? lol.

[Drew]

I see on face ache, a picture taken over the seat cowl on the 'busa of some people. Usual Suzuki quality finish, the gap between cowl and rear fairing is less than consistent.

It doesn't bother me, I have always been a 'function over form' kinda person. But I notice it now, when I never did.

[MIXONE]

What the hell is going on with her nipples? It must be fuckin freezing wherever she is.

Somewhere to hang your jacket...

[AllanB]

This thread is so gone now - all I remember is those nips!

[bluninja]

I was in New Plymouth motorcycles on Saturday looking for a new helmet. I decided to sit on a few bikes whilst I was there. One of which is a shiny black hayabusa. Very nice! It goes on special in a few weeks apparently. It would have been nice to sit on the ZX 14 R alongside it.

[Banditbandit]

Gawd this is ugly !!!!


http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=282623&d=1368218633

Why didn't they just call it a Kawasaki Concours ???? Instead of rebadging as a suzie .. even the pipes are courtesy of Kawasaki ...

[Drew]

Gawd this is ugly !!!!



Why didn't they just call it a Kawasaki Concours ???? Instead of rebadging as a suzie .. even the pipes are courtesy of Kawasaki ...We first saw the tri oval pipes on the Suzuki range in '05. Can't think of a Kawasaki that sports anything similar. The Concourse thingie's pipes look nothing like it.

I have always thought the 'busa was god awful to look at, but I don't remember ever hearing someone say they didn't like it to ride. Might have, but it would be a small portion of those who have had a hoon on one.

The ZX14 is as hideous as sin also though, so they are at least still on a level playing field.

[actungbaby]

I just watched a video of both bikes on what was said to be Yatabe Proving Ground showing onboard acceleration and top speeds.

Apart from the absolutely insane acceleration where the speedo needles wound far too fast around he dial to 300km/h, both bikes sat at redline of 11,000rpm and held it there.

I was watching on my iPhone so too small to read speed but I can recall a thread some time ago where we worked out the gearing on a Busa and it was doing 325km/h at redline.

Anyone know the gearing on both current bikes as to their top speeds at redline?

Think bit more to than gearing as wind can slow the bike too and tire deformation too

Even clutch slipage am no expert guess fast is fast love the look both bikes

I pick zx 1400 cause sounds amazing with those extra 50 horses hehe

ive talked guy here thats got white susuki hybusa one seen when doing my vol driving job at hospital

nephew seen riding it says he like vroom gone ....

[actungbaby]

We first saw the tri oval pipes on the Suzuki range in '05. Can't think of a Kawasaki that sports anything similar. The Concourse thingie's pipes look nothing like it.

I have always thought the 'busa was god awful to look at, but I don't remember ever hearing someone say they didn't like it to ride. Might have, but it would be a small portion of those who have had a hoon on one.

The ZX14 is as hideous as sin also though, so they are at least still on a level playing field.

yes id agree well all that gear makes bikes look garish doesint it but guess rose cloured glasses

thing , as build and tech and more just how well work when shoudint as there not light either.

mind doubt i ever do 200kph let alone 280 plus and extra weight keep them stable

as well areo tricks

[Drew]

yes id agree well all that gear makes bikes look garish doesint it but guess rose cloured glasses

thing , as build and tech and more just how well work when shoudint as there not light either.

mind doubt i ever do 200kph let alone 280 plus and extra weight keep them stable

as well areo tricks

I swear this guy isn't speaking english.

I assume you're on a phone and trying to navigate KB. I give up on mine before I throw the thing accross the room.

[actungbaby]

I feel sorry for the bugger trying to sell that thing. Have you seen the comments section? The amount of legitimately dumb ass questions (Gee shouldn't it do 400kph with 400HP?) hurts the brain. :no:

Be the way to go as imagine cost he spent way more than that to do so its abargin

Mind do you need that sort power another qwestion . mind you how many lambo

owners have road to max out there cars . esp in nz

gee do weelies real easy when went on boast it go light as u sneeze it be up.

[ducatilover]

I have always thought the 'busa was god awful to look at, but I don't remember ever hearing someone say they didn't like it to ride. Might have, but it would be a small portion of those who have had a hoon on one.



Everybody I know who has been on one has loved it.
I did, but it gave me the screaming shits at how easy it was to go jail-fast. Far too much power for a dick like myself