Looking to buy my first RV/SUV (first 4 wheeled vehicle)

[Matariki]

I know these aren't motorcycles (nothing is as good or as fun as riding on 2 wheels) but I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the following cars (this will be my first car - I can't believe I'm asking a motorcycle forum for advice for a 4 wheeled vehicle that isn't a quadbike... )

I'm ideally looking for something that is economical, comfortable for the novice to drive, easy to maintain and can handle off road conditions (under 3000cc). Here are the ones I'm currently looking at;

Toyota Rav4
Toyota Hilux

Suzuki Escudo
Suzuki Vitara

Nissan Terrano
Nissan Mistral
Nissan Pathfinder
Nissan Navara

Honda CRV

[Berries]

Another troll thread I see.

[FJRider]

Whatever you decide on ... get a manual one. Auto's suck the fuel/power something wicked.

Something like this maybe .. ??

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/rav/auction-589314206.htm

Worth a phone call to test drive. If only JUST to test drive. Gives you an idea ... that it is what you are looking for ... or not.

[McFatty1000]

Much of your choice will depend on how much off road and how you define off road - crv, rav4 and the suzuki are more cars on stilts, a lot of them are 2wd even.

And +1 to a manual if you can, autos aren't bad but do tend to drive more petrol

[FJRider]

Another troll thread I see.

I don't think she has a troll bone in her body.

[Edbear]

Budget dictates a lot, the more money the better the choices.

Suzuki Vitara is a proper 4WD and will go anywhere. Nissan Navaro/Terrano is solid and dependable if looked after but you need the diesel as petrol ones are hungry.

Earlier RAV4's have rear suspension issues that cause bad tyre wear and don't like heavy loads. CRV is nice to drive but auto-4WD doesn't work downhill so consider it a 2WD with added traction driving forwards in slippery conditions. Most car-like of all.

[hayd3n]

jeep wrangler :)
6cyl hemi

[Matariki]

Budget dictates a lot, the more money the better the choices.

Suzuki Vitara is a proper 4WD and will go anywhere. Nissan Navaro/Terrano is solid and dependable if looked after but you need the diesel as petrol ones are hungry.

Earlier RAV4's have rear suspension issues that cause bad tyre wear and don't like heavy loads. CRV is nice to drive but auto-4WD doesn't work downhill so consider it a 2WD with added traction driving forwards in slippery conditions. Most car-like of all.

My budget is up to $5000 (starting from $2000). The Suzuki vitara sounds like good value for money. Should I consider looking at a diesel or a petrol vitara?
Any opinions on the Suzuki Samurai?

[Edbear]

My budget is up to $5000 (starting from $2000). The Suzuki vitara sounds like good value for money. Should I consider looking at a diesel or a petrol vitara?

Vitara would be my first choice. Try to get a NZ new one as most will have a service history and they have been in NZ since Adam was a cowboy. Virtually bullet-proof. I am always wary of import diesels as most are brought in by, shall we say, less reputable dealers. $5k is fairly cheap for a Vitara so try to find one that the seller has owned for years and wouldn't really recommend a diesel in that price range.

[mashman]

My budget is up to $5000 (starting from $2000). The Suzuki vitara sounds like good value for money. Should I consider looking at a diesel or a petrol vitara?
Any opinions on the Suzuki Samurai?

Potentially looking at something in the same price range should life change the way it looks to be. Hadn't considered rv's or suv's as a runaround. Was looking at this (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/citroen/xsara/auction-589403955.htm).

[Edbear]

jeep wrangler :)
6cyl hemi

A mate has one, just needs to tow a fuel trailer around with him. :wings:


My budget is up to $5000 (starting from $2000). The Suzuki vitara sounds like good value for money. Should I consider looking at a diesel or a petrol vitara?
Any opinions on the Suzuki Samurai?

The short wheelbase Suzuki's are very good off road but not very comfortable on road. They will embarrass most other 4 x 4's in the bush though.

[Laava]

For 5k you can buy a great car. You will at best get an ordinary 4x4.IMO

[Winston001]

Yes Laava makes a good point. SUVs are popular so any around the $5k range are likely to be older and possibly worn out. Having said that my brother in law got a really nice Nissan for $2k but I think he was just lucky - bought from a mate going overseas.

I agree that the Suzuki Vitara has a strong reputation. Apart from that, Toyota is the winner for reputation and reliability. A Hilux is a good choice. A RAV is softer and more carlike but that is what most people actually want.

[BMWST?]

dont think you will get a diesel suzuki of that age..you overpay for suv or 4x4 i reckon.the suzuki would be the best 4x4 of that group unless you find a daihatsu rugger or whatever they are called.Unless you really need a ute , dont get one,they are expensive for what you get and drive like shit.Terrano and pathfinders are bigger.

[neels]

If you want to go proper off road, buy a diesel Nissan with less than 300k on the clock, they're the only thing in your $5k price range that aren't likely to shit something expensive.

[Brett]

A few years back I swapped a 2005 Audi S4 for a 1996 Toyota Prado diesel. I have been very happy with that decision. The Prado isn't too bad on fuel given it is near 3ton and a 3 litre turbo diesel (65ltrs gets me about 650kms around town). It also has great power for towing, going off road or whatever. It is a bullet proof piece of kit, with a strong body and incredibly reliable motor that, with good regular maintenance will just never ever give up. I have never had to replace anything other than maintenance items (tyres, oil, brake pads, cam belt)
I have taken it down some rather rough and wild tracks, including over rocks on the beach and it has never had trouble.(I got mine stuck in a 1m wide and deep drainage culvert andby simply locking the diffs, drove it right out without even a scratch!). It is never going to be a fast vehicle, although I seldom get overtaken on the open road but I still enjoy trucking along in it. The only reason I will sell it, will be to replace it with a new one.

[Shortie]

The toyotas are more expensive but worth it. I have the mistral 1995 and still going strong, but the electric windows crap out and parts are pricey. Bigger than the rav but drives smoother on the highway and never been stuck on sand or mud.

[mulletman]

Id steer clear from any V6 vitaras, hungry as and really exp to replace a cam chain which only last 100-120000 KMs.
The short wheel base vitaras and CRVs are wobbly as hell , go for four door versions.
My pick would be a 1600 manual vitara.

[Edbear]

Id steer clear from any V6 vitaras, hungry as and really exp to replace a cam chain which only last 100-120000 KMs.
The short wheel base vitaras and CRVs are wobbly as hell , go for four door versions.
My pick would be a 1600 manual vitara.

I agree with you there. Always get the longest wheelbase you can for road use. And the four cylinder's are the best.

[_Shrek_]

Suzuki Vitara 4clyn, Nissan Pathfinder

I would go for the Pathfinder (manual) but you'll need a lot more than 5k

& if 5k is your budget go for the Suzuki

[BMWST?]

A few years back I swapped a 2005 Audi S4 for a 1996 Toyota Prado diesel. I have been very happy with that decision. The Prado isn't too bad on fuel given it is near 3ton and a 3 litre turbo diesel (65ltrs gets me about 650kms around town). It also has great power for towing, going off road or whatever. It is a bullet proof piece of kit, with a strong body and incredibly reliable motor that, with good regular maintenance will just never ever give up. I have never had to replace anything other than maintenance items (tyres, oil, brake pads, cam belt)
I have taken it down some rather rough and wild tracks, including over rocks on the beach and it has never had trouble.(I got mine stuck in a 1m wide and deep drainage culvert andby simply locking the diffs, drove it right out without even a scratch!). It is never going to be a fast vehicle, although I seldom get overtaken on the open road but I still enjoy trucking along in it. The only reason I will sell it, will be to replace it with a new one.

sister has one they are a nice vehicle all right but a way way way more than 5 k.I have also heard some rumblings that its a question of if rather than When they will blow a head gasket...but i think that is a general rule of the new generation diesels.

[Road kill]

We have a 96 Isuzu Big Horn.
More for towing the horse float and boat than for it's off road capabilitys but I have taken it into the head waters of the Whanganui river and it performed very well out there.
It would of sold for $5-6000 at a car stealers but we paid $2600 for it off TM.
Was a Remuera tractor before we got it.
I have a friend that is a hunting and fishing guide and he uses the earlier Suzuki's,,,but he won't touch the later models because they don't hold up to the really hard conditions he puts them through.
I've spent many hours driving the Suzukis he does own and their bloody great off road.
They run circles around our Bighorn and damn near anything else out there.
Some of their really strong points is that they are very light and very short so they just drive around steep up hill corners you might need to take a double bite at in a larger vehicle,,,,,which is exactly where things start to turn pear shaped in bigger vehicles.
Ask me how I know that,,,,:rolleyes::facepalm::whistle::Oops:

[Matariki]

Lots of opinions and choices to choose from (which is a good thing). At least I have a start in terms of research, Japanese brands appear to be the most affordable. I probably should be more specific about what I intend to use the vehicle for (if it helps at all):

Driving over the Rimutaka hills on a daily basis to get to school (Petone), and maybe to travel around the country for other things. As I'm a student, I don't have a 9am to 5pm job (unless you call studying a job) that brings in a regular income. I'm dependant on you guys (the taxpayers - hopefully not for long), and having an economical vehicle means that not only can I save money, but I can save you money too (because I appreciate you guys and I want to put the money to good use, such as ensuring the future public services in this country through not taking too much money from the government - which in turn get their money from you). :yes:

Traveling to the beach (and on the beach - occasionally through small streams) for a spot of fishing (surfcasting) from time to time. A largish boot space or foldable back seats would be a huge bonus.
Driving on gravel roads (we have crappy roads where I live).

[huff3r]

Lots of opinions and choices to choose from (which is a good thing). At least I have a start in terms of research, Japanese brands appear to be the most affordable. I probably should be more specific about what I intend to use the vehicle for:

Driving over the Rimutaka hills on a daily basis to get to school (Petone), and maybe to travel around the country for other things.
Traveling to the beach (and on the beach - occasionally through small streams) for a spot of fishing (surfcasting) from time to time. A largish boot space or foldable back seats would be a huge bonus.
Driving on gravel roads.

If that's all you are using it for I'd consider an AWD station wagon. Something like an Impreza or Legacy, or there are a few others. You will get a nicer, more reliable car for the price range (if you shop around, and do your research), and it should handle most if not all of the situations described above. Otherwise, as others have said, go for the Vitara/Escudo 1600 manual long wheelbase.

[Edbear]

Lots of opinions and choices to choose from (which is a good thing). At least I have a start in terms of research, Japanese brands appear to be the most affordable. I probably should be more specific about what I intend to use the vehicle for (if it helps at all):

Driving over the Rimutaka hills on a daily basis to get to school (Petone), and maybe to travel around the country for other things. As I'm a student, I don't have a 9am to 5pm job (unless you call studying a job) that brings in a regular income. I'm dependant on you guys (the taxpayers - hopefully not for long), and having an economical vehicle means that not only can I save money, but I can save you money too (because I appreciate you guys and I want to put the money to good use, such as ensuring the future public services in this country through not taking too much money from the government - which in turn get their money from you). :yes:

Traveling to the beach (and on the beach - occasionally through small streams) for a spot of fishing (surfcasting) from time to time. A largish boot space or foldable back seats would be a huge bonus.
Driving on gravel roads (we have crappy roads where I live).

That pretty much sums up the 1600 Vitara to a 'T'. Get the four door though to get the best ride and room. Still not as comfy as a car, but apart from the Suzuki SX4 which is an amazingly capable off-roader, (trust me you wouldn't believe where people have taken them), I think the Subaru Forester is the only other one I could recommend, but they are both probably out of your price range.

[Brett]

sister has one they are a nice vehicle all right but a way way way more than 5 k.I have also heard some rumblings that its a question of if rather than When they will blow a head gasket...but i think that is a general rule of the new generation diesels.

Didn't read the bit about a $5k cap...my bad. Yeah, the head gasket issues were a problem on the model before hand. It's mainly due to guys towing heavy loads up long hills with their foot buried in the floor. The exhaust out of the turbo apparently runs right behind the head of the engine and so the heat differential can cause issues. The model of Prado that I chose (for this very reason) is reknown for being one tough, bullet proof machine. Incidentally, I came across a crash involving one late last year, it had just had a head on with a truck and rolled a few times. It held up much much better than I would have thought it would. (Driver ok, passenger injured and ended up dying at the scene, two babies in the back - one unscathed largely the other moderate injuries). Obviously still sad, but held up ok given it was a head on involving a truck in an 80kph zone.

[McFatty1000]

Yeah, for that sort of work, the vitara sounds like it fits the bill the best.
The rav or crv would also be a good choice if you spend a bit of time going over the hills (the petrol costs would be about the same as the engine in theory wouldn't be working as hard and so would be about the same as the 1600)

4wd station wagons etc would also work well, if you can find a good one in the price range, just be very cautious on the 4wd toyota caribs; while they're quite capable, they do drink petrol like its water. Not sure about what the other station wagons are like though

[carburator]

just to throw another in the mix, Isuzu Mu...

cheap as chips
lots kicking around
do make a good bush basher too..
and sub 5K market..

[Ender EnZed]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/subaru/forester/auction-587296510.htm

[Road kill]

Lots of opinions and choices to choose from (which is a good thing). At least I have a start in terms of research, Japanese brands appear to be the most affordable. I probably should be more specific about what I intend to use the vehicle for (if it helps at all):

Driving over the Rimutaka hills on a daily basis to get to school (Petone), and maybe to travel around the country for other things. As I'm a student, I don't have a 9am to 5pm job (unless you call studying a job) that brings in a regular income. I'm dependant on you guys (the taxpayers - hopefully not for long), and having an economical vehicle means that not only can I save money, but I can save you money too (because I appreciate you guys and I want to put the money to good use, such as ensuring the future public services in this country through not taking too much money from the government - which in turn get their money from you). :yes:

Traveling to the beach (and on the beach - occasionally through small streams) for a spot of fishing (surfcasting) from time to time. A largish boot space or foldable back seats would be a huge bonus.
Driving on gravel roads (we have crappy roads where I live).

I do a lot more than that with my old 2 wheel drive Navara flat deck.
You don't really need a 4x4 mate.

[Flip]

Mrs Flip has had a 1600 Suzuki Vitara since 98. They are a brillant light 4WD, I have done nothing to it other than change the oil. I personally are a Landrover fan, but I would be very happy with a slightly modified Vitata as a hunting vehicle.

The suzuki regually gets 7l/100km which is good for any 4wd, the best my landrover gets is 12.

[BMWST?]

Mrs Flip has had a 1600 Suzuki Vitara since 98. They are a brillant light 4WD, I have done nothing to it other than change the oil. I personally are a Landrover fan, but I would be very happy with a slightly modified Vitata as a hunting vehicle.

The suzuki regually gets 7l/100km which is good for any 4wd, the best my landrover gets is 12.

thats another consideration...going over the hill every day will be expensive in any 4x4. I reckon you should consider a diesel station wagon.But get it checked carefully by a diesel specialist..And be careful if you go for an isuzu mu or bighorn i think the ones with a the 3.0 L 4JX1 T (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo)D (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine) I4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-4). may be troublesome.Otherwise i think the bighorn is underated,but "full sized" 4wd are expensive to run

[Winston001]

A few years back I swapped a 2005 Audi S4 for a 1996 Toyota Prado diesel. I have been very happy with that decision. The Prado isn't too bad on fuel given it is near 3ton and a 3 litre turbo diesel (65ltrs gets me about 650kms around town). It also has great power for towing, going off road or whatever. It is a bullet proof piece of kit, with a strong body and incredibly reliable motor that, with good regular maintenance will just never ever give up. I have never had to replace anything other than maintenance items (tyres, oil, brake pads, cam belt)

I have taken it down some rather rough and wild tracks, including over rocks on the beach and it has never had trouble.(I got mine stuck in a 1m wide and deep drainage culvert andby simply locking the diffs, drove it right out without even a scratch!). It is never going to be a fast vehicle, although I seldom get overtaken on the open road but I still enjoy trucking along in it. The only reason I will sell it, will be to replace it with a new one.

Ditto. :niceone:

Am on my second Prado which I will keep. It has 300k and still goes like when it was new. I don't need its size now the children are nearly gone but its damned handy to have the cabin space at times. Put a desk in there to take to my daughter at university.

[Winston001]

thats another consideration...going over the hill every day will be expensive in any 4x4. I reckon you should consider a diesel station wagon.But get it checked carefully by a diesel specialist..

...."full sized" 4wd are expensive to run

Agreed. SUVs are great but they eat the tyres and fuel compared to cars.

I think the OP would be much happier with an AWD such as a Subaru Forester etc.

[ducatilover]

If you're really after a 4x4 thing I'd recommend the 1st gen Vitara/Escudo, I'd personally buy a tidy Sport 16V one, they had the factory LSDs and were much nicer on the road due to a little extra pep from the 1600 DOHC, instead of the unhappy and thrashy 8v model.

But, I wouldn't recommend you one for driving the 'Takas every day, I don't think you'll average much better than 10/100km on that commute in a Vitara/Escudo.
I'd say looking at a small economical car, 'til you finish study could be a great idea.
I've been driving up and down the north island a bit in the last few months in our farm hack '93 Civic (NZ new 1.5 SOHC carb, manual sedan) and it's averaging 6.0L/100km for me, but it's been getting a thrashing on any relatively interesting road.
:niceone:

Avoid the RAV, they're a joke and not even a funny joke.

[rebel]

Another fucking lemming who buys into the SUV craze.
A 1600cc Vitara ISN'T economical. Lift it and put a set of mud tyres on it and it'll be worse than a V8 Commodore. Add to that any petrol 4wd will hit your wallet. Buy a diesel and you wont get better than 10l/100km open road, plus rego ruc. 5 grand for a diesel SUV will get a shit heap ticking time bomb anyway.
You obviously don't need a 4wd. You have it in your head you do, just like every other cunt on the road. Buy a Falcon, Commodore, Legacy, Forester wagon, will do 90% of what every other shitbox SUVs on the road are used for.
Me I have had modified 4wds for years, and I only drive them to and from the bush. I'll use my car every other time.

[Banditbandit]

If you're serious about going off-road DON'T buy an automatic ... you have less control through the throttle and have to use your brakes more ... which means less grip

(And I doubt there is a manual Nissan Terrano in the country - so rule that one out ...)

[Drew]

Isuzu MU. 2.8 turbo diesel manuals, are great cars.

Tuned right they will go from Wellington to New Plymouth and back, on one tank of gas.

Edit: They will accept 33X10.5 r15 tyres without modification too. If you've got the wallet to buy a set of course.

[Drew]

(And I doubt there is a manual Nissan Terrano in the country - so rule that one out ...)Mikey had one. Fuckin gutless horrible piece of shit that it was.

[neels]

(And I doubt there is a manual Nissan Terrano in the country - so rule that one out ...)
Mikey had one. Fuckin gutless horrible piece of shit that it was.

That makes at least 2 then, I just sold one a while back. Agreed that like the other diesels of their generation they are a bit short on go, they do however just keep on going.

[Banditbandit]

Mikey had one. Fuckin gutless horrible piece of shit that it was.

I've had one for 10 years ... they just go ... and it tows my boat fine ... It's OK in the back country roads but don't expect it to be that great in real off-road country ... and they are very nice to cruise long distance in ...

Just don't expect fast ... (If I want faster I have bikes ...)

[huff3r]

If you're serious about going off-road DON'T buy an automatic ... you have less control through the throttle and have to use your brakes more ... which means less grip

(And I doubt there is a manual Nissan Terrano in the country - so rule that one out ...)

I was under the impression the Autos were better in the rough stuff.... easier to get a crawl going without risk of stalling it. That's just what I've been told/read though, never taken the Range Rover into any real off-roading yet, handles paddocks great though. Oh don't buy one of them... 16-20L/100ks depending if you're towing or not. And only runs on 95.

Edit: and for downhill slow descents, my Auto has lockout in 1st when the diff-locks are engaged.

[Banditbandit]

The good manual 4x4s have a very low first gear ratio - which the autos don't have - so you can drop it into first in low and crawl down hills, maintaining grip and with the wheels turning ... in an automatic you need to brake .. which can easily stop the wheeels .. and then the vehicle slides ... you don't want it to slide ... you have no control when it slides and you hope it stops sliding before something nasty happens ...

[Matariki]

Hmm... perhaps a SUV isn't the way to go then. But I'm still interested in getting a 4WD vehicle.
Dumb question; but are there any 4WD cars on the market that would be ok for what I would be looking to use it for?

[Drew]

Hmm... perhaps a SUV isn't the way to go then. But I'm still interested in getting a 4WD vehicle.
Dumb question; but are there any 4WD cars on the market that would be ok for what I would be looking to use it for?Subaru Outback or Forester are about as far off the ground as anything I can think of.

The Mu is a great little wagon, find one and take it for a hoon.

[huff3r]

Hmm... perhaps a SUV isn't the way to go then. But I'm still interested in getting a 4WD vehicle.
Dumb question; but are there any 4WD cars on the market that would be ok for what I would be looking to use it for?

Lots. Like those listed above... almost any subaru (but be careful they can be costly to fix sometimes), some mitsi's and nissans, toyota caribs/caldinas etc

The Subaru Outback or Forester or Impreza Gravel Express all have reasonable ground clearance if it's really required, but otherwise there are lots of options.

[FJRider]

Lots. Like those listed above... almost any subaru (but be careful they can be costly to fix sometimes), some mitsi's and nissans, toyota caribs/caldinas etc

The Subaru Outback or Forester or Impreza Gravel Express all have reasonable ground clearance if it's really required, but otherwise there are lots of options.

All-time 4WD/turbos/automatics will chew through petrol quickly.

A 2WD, 10 year old, Manual, low mileage, 1600 sedan/hatch will (should) manage all but strictly (and signposted as such) 4WD tracks. And do it with comfort and economy.

[Edbear]

Subaru Forester.

[neels]

Subaru Forester.
If it's a manual make sure the sucker before you has forked out the cash for a new clutch, they tend to last until around 150k before they need attention, and make sure it was done by someone who knows what they're doing or the gearbox bearings will go shortly afterwards. Next we move on to cam belts.....

Not overly cheap to run either, even the non-turbo ones are thirsty.

[Edbear]

If it's a manual make sure the sucker before you has forked out the cash for a new clutch, they tend to last until around 150k before they need attention, and make sure it was done by someone who knows what they're doing or the gearbox bearings will go shortly afterwards. Next we move on to cam belts.....

Not overly cheap to run either, even the non-turbo ones are thirsty.

She is looking for a compromise vehicle that does pretty much everything. While you can get better for each role, what covers all she wants?

[Drew]

I'm not a Subaru fan at all. The B4 is a lovely car, but they are all thirsty as all fuck.

Tyres are a big one on Subaru too, too big a tread difference between front and rear tyres can bugger the centre diff. According to Subaru anyway.

There are better cars for your needs. Shit, cost of running a Jeep Cherokee would be equal or less to that of a pre 2005 Subaru anything.

[Banditbandit]

I've been seriously looking at replacing the Terrano with a Mitsubishi ASX (4-wheel driver version)...



http://mmnz.co.nz/asx/

[FROSTY]

OP I do this stuff (car sales) for a living. In your budget with your requirements there are only three choices that will work.
The first as others have mentioned is the 1600cc escudo. They are a rugged vehicle that puts bigger four wheel drives to shame in the seriously rough stuff-Well beyond what you are thinking of doing. I'd be happy with a short wheel base version for your daily commute IF its fitted with 100% road use tyres.If not they can be a bit tail happy.
Incidently they also use "badge technology" and were released as the Mazda Proceed
That one is a 2.0l which I don't recomend but you get the idea http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/mazda/mazda/auction-587882481.htm
The second choice is the Toyota Rav4. Now these are definitely whats called a softroader.For your purposes they will do everything you say you want to do are a bit wider and longer than the Suzuki.There is a fair bit of tyre drone in the RAV which is quietened down by using road tyres They are a permanent all wheel drive. .http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/rav4/auction-586478614.htm

Word of warning -the 97/98 Rav MAY be a two wheel drive so it pays to ask
Daihatsu Rocky.-These get overlooked but were actually desighned by Toyota.They are a propper small offroader.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/daihatsu/auction-590259329.htm

If you decide on one make/model Im happy to run you through the stuff to watch for and costs of ownership.

[Edbear]

OP I do this stuff (car sales) for a living. In your budget with your requirements there are only three choices that will work.
The first as others have mentioned is the 1600cc escudo. They are a rugged vehicle that puts bigger four wheel drives to shame in the seriously rough stuff-Well beyond what you are thinking of doing. I'd be happy with a short wheel base version for your daily commute IF its fitted with 100% road use tyres.If not they can be a bit tail happy.
Incidently they also use "badge technology" and were released as the Mazda Proceed
That one is a 2.0l which I don't recomend but you get the idea http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/mazda/mazda/auction-587882481.htm
The second choice is the Toyota Rav4. Now these are definitely whats called a softroader.For your purposes they will do everything you say you want to do are a bit wider and longer than the Suzuki.There is a fair bit of tyre drone in the RAV which is quietened down by using road tyres They are a permanent all wheel drive. .http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/rav4/auction-586478614.htm

Word of warning -the 97/98 Rav MAY be a two wheel drive so it pays to ask
Daihatsu Rocky.-These get overlooked but were actually desighned by Toyota.They are a propper small offroader.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/daihatsu/auction-590259329.htm

If you decide on one make/model Im happy to run you through the stuff to watch for and costs of ownership.

Road tyres wouldn't be a problem with her suggested usage, being a proper 4WD, either.

[ducatilover]

If it's a manual make sure the sucker before you has forked out the cash for a new clutch, they tend to last until around 150k before they need attention, and make sure it was done by someone who knows what they're doing or the gearbox bearings will go shortly afterwards.
Couldn't agree more, they're a real easy clutch to replace though.

Next we move on to cam belts..... Piece of piss in a Subaru, they're an absolute walk in the park :niceone:

Not overly cheap to run either, even the non-turbo ones are thirsty.[/QUOTE]
They're generally pretty troublesome (I don't like generalising either). Head gasket failure from typically poor maintained NZ cars, MAF failures left right and center, big end bearings, rear main seals from poorly maintained cars (at least it's easy to drop the gearbox in them) and they sure do like a drink :wait:


Subaru Forester.
A very good car in theory, and in theory they're excellent value now. But you'd have to be very, very careful picking one.




You can get quite a few small 4wd sedans without going to a hungry one fortunately.
There were a few N14 onwards Pulsar/Sentra 1.6/1.8/2.0 4wds, good little cars
Every now and then you can find a 4WD AE92 onwards Corolla wagons, good little cars.
There were 4wd Mazda 323/Familia and Capella/626s, also good cars
There's a huge range out there.
Personally a 4wd Toyota Carib with the 4AFE motor would be the top pick, followed by an EG Civic 4wd with the D16 motor, both are cheap as chips and reliable, and much cheaper to run than an Imprezza or Forester

A RAV4 is a hungry pile of poo, and they love to eat diff mounts. I'd much rather drive the Suzuki over one (it's a better 4wd too)
But, if you're short on dosh, I'd suggest something a bit more car like.

[Matariki]

Then I guess the two questions to ask is; Which out of the Suzuki Vitara and Subaru Forester are more fuel efficient and the cheaper of the two to maintain, based on what I'm looking to get out of a 4wd vehicle?

[Banditbandit]

Of those I'd choose the Subaru .. for no other reason than I find the seats in Suzukis very hard and uncomfortable ... the longest I've every been able to sit in a Suzuki was one and a half hours .. then my arse was so sore ... (Which is strange because I sit on my Suzuki bike for 6 or 7 hours at a stretch and my arse is fine)

So go for the Subaru (which I've owned and found comfortable ...)

[ducatilover]

If you pick a good Forester I suspect it'll be a little cheaper to run.
Driving over the 'takas I expect you'll see around 9L/100km in one.

Banditbandit is right about the Subaru being more comfortable, and they definitely drive a million times better on the road (because they're essentially a big Imprezza)
But I cannot stress how careful you need to be picking one, it has to be uber tidy and have good service records. Otherwise you're in for trouble.

I would still recommend one of these http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/pulsar/auction-582750407.htm
It has the GA15DE motor, which is rock solid and runs a cam chain

Or one of these (I think the Nissan is a bit better value) http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/carib/auction-589765756.htm
They run the uber reliable 7AFE motor, some had the even more reliable 4AFE. (we have a 'rolla with the 4AFE and it has done 502,000km :devil2:)

The Forester is the nicest driver's car of the bunch though.
If you do buy one, get it serviced by Scott Miller in Masterton, he's a Subaru genius.

[Matariki]

What's a good example of a good forester?

[FJRider]

What's a good example of a good forester?

Not THIS guy ...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=282577&d=1368064958

[leathel]

There is a manual Honda CRV in my workshop ATM getting a tidy up (It will get upgraded when the owner starts her Rep job) that will get sold in a few months...Manual even heck

I can ask what they will want for it if you are interested, tidy but not a serious 4x4 as no low range.

[ducatilover]

What's a good example of a good forester?

Low km, NZ new, preferably non-turbo and manual, service history. :niceone:

[_Shrek_]

What's a good example of a good forester?

one that some one else owns :niceone:

[Drew]

one that some one else owns :niceone:
:laugh:What he said.

I believe Subaru are over rated.

[ducatilover]

:laugh:What he said.

I believe Subaru are over rated.

I always whinge about what finicky pricks of things they are, yet nobody seems to agree. I'll even go and list a zillion common issues, yet nobody bothers to listen. Then they complain about cambelts? They're fucking easy, try any FWD V6 in comparison.
Jebus, even my European cars have been more reliable than the majority of Subarus I've known :laugh:

[Matariki]

I was having a think about the Subaru Forester, aren't they popular cars for car thieves to break into and steal? :confused:

[Drew]

I was having a think about the Subaru Forester, aren't they popular cars for car thieves to break into and steal? :confused:Turbo ones still get pinched a little bit. But the thievery market has moved on to other things now. WRXs were the most commonly stolen car in the country for a while.

[The Reibz]

If you buy a diesel. Have fun paying the rego

[Drew]

If you buy a diesel. Have fun paying the rego
Engine size comes into the equation with diesel registration. It pays to look up the cut off points for different pricing, but 2.4 and under is similar to a petrol car from memory.

[ducatilover]

I was having a think about the Subaru Forester, aren't they popular cars for car thieves to break into and steal? :confused:

Yup, because every cap wearing low jeans fellow wants parts for 'em. And they're easy to steal, pillarless windows may look sexy, but you can get in to 'em so easy (good if you leave your keys in it)

[Drew]

Yup, because every cap wearing low jeans fellow wants parts for 'em. And they're easy to steal, pillarless windows may look sexy, but you can get in to 'em so easy (good if you leave your keys in it)
To a car thief, pillars or not makes no bloody difference. The market for teh cars was huge, so now the market for parts to service them, is huge.

Simple.

[ducatilover]

To a car thief, pillars or not makes no bloody difference. The market for teh cars was huge, so now the market for parts to service them, is huge.

Simple.

It's not just for the parts market though, they're fuckin easy to pinch and turbo ones are kind of fun to drive (more so if you're a dumb theiving wanker who probably aspirses to own a 3.8 VN Commodore)
So joyriders love to pinch them, I've had heaps of mates have WRX/STI RSK-B4s etc nicked and most of them are purely by some faggot wanting to rape the shit out of them and steal the stereo

Plus, being from Wainuiomata, I expect everyone I knew as a kid there has stolen a few cars and most would be Subies, just because all you do is pull the window back and get something to unlatch the door
Much quiter than putting a baby fetus through the window (apparently...)

[BMWST?]

I was under the impression the Autos were better in the rough stuff.... easier to get a crawl going without risk of stalling it. That's just what I've been told/read though, never taken the Range Rover into any real off-roading yet, handles paddocks great though. Oh don't buy one of them... 16-20L/100ks depending if you're towing or not. And only runs on 95.

Edit: and for downhill slow descents, my Auto has lockout in 1st when the diff-locks are engaged.

most autos dont have any engine braking in high range.And you dont drive everywhere in low range.if the ground is uneven and the front wheel is in a hole there is no finesse with an auto...you press the go pedal and nothing happens so you press it some more..nothing...more...nothing more...and you launch out of the hole you are in and smack into the rock in the middle of the stream you were trying to avoid with your so called soft start auto.If you do put it in low range the bloody thing wont change up....(this is a toyota prado)From my limited experience i would never have an auto for off road stuff.

[BMWST?]

If you pick a good Forester I suspect it'll be a little cheaper to run.
Driving over the 'takas I expect you'll see around 9L/100km in one.

Banditbandit is right about the Subaru being more comfortable, and they definitely drive a million times better on the road (because they're essentially a big Imprezza)
But I cannot stress how careful you need to be picking one, it has to be uber tidy and have good service records. Otherwise you're in for trouble.

I would still recommend one of these http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/pulsar/auction-582750407.htm
It has the GA15DE motor, which is rock solid and runs a cam chain

Or one of these (I think the Nissan is a bit better value) http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/carib/auction-589765756.htm
They run the uber reliable 7AFE motor, some had the even more reliable 4AFE. (we have a 'rolla with the 4AFE and it has done 502,000km :devil2:)

The Forester is the nicest driver's car of the bunch though.
If you do buy one, get it serviced by Scott Miller in Masterton, he's a Subaru genius.

9 km l going over the takas...i dont think so

[BMWST?]

Engine size comes into the equation with diesel registration. It pays to look up the cut off points for different pricing, but 2.4 and under is similar to a petrol car from memory.

negative my 2 l diesel is over 400 bucks a year .The is no acc levy on diesel so you pay it on the refo

[ducatilover]

9 km l going over the takas...i dont think so

I do, on a commute from the Wairarapa I think 9L/100km would be reasonable for one of them if you treat it nicely.

[Ender EnZed]

if the ground is uneven and the front wheel is in a hole there is no finesse with an auto...you press the go pedal and nothing happens so you press it some more..nothing...more...nothing more...and you launch out of the hole you are in and smack into the rock in the middle of the stream you were trying to avoid with your so called soft start auto.

Left foot braking is the answer to that situation. It feels a little unnatural at first but it's pretty hard to get wrong.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L85t5WLCK84

[Flip]

There is always diflocks and propper axle articulation.

282620

[Winston001]

If you do put it in low range the bloody thing wont change up....(this is a toyota prado)From my limited experience i would never have an auto for off road stuff.

Fair enough but my Prado is automatic and I've been on many offroad tracks. It has a second gear select button for those difficult moments. It also has a diff lock. Never had any problems although I've certainly been stuck - once on a flat wet swampy paddock. Allterrain tyres are a compromise but mostly very good.

[BMWST?]

Fair enough but my Prado is automatic and I've been on many offroad tracks. It has a second gear select button for those difficult moments. It also has a diff lock. Never had any problems although I've certainly been stuck - once on a flat wet swampy paddock. Allterrain tyres are a compromise but mostly very good.

i wasnt driving,but i was mostly very impressed with the prado seemed to have good basic grip,very nice on the road too.From my own observations and (maybe unfairly) compared to my brothers late model landcruiser,a manual would be better still.

one 4x4 we havent talked about is a wee suzuki jimmy(or is it jiminy)

[Matariki]

Hmm... I think the Vitara might be the better choice for me. I commute to Taita 3 days a week, and the last thing I would want is my vehicle gutted out or stolen. I'm not sure though how fuel economics work (litres per 100km), and what is good and what is bad. Yet alone how to work out how much it would cost to refill.

[Drew]

Hmm... I think the Vitara [R RATED][/R RATED]might be the better choice for me. I commute to Taita 3 days a week, and the last thing I would want is my vehicle gutted out or stolen. I'm not sure though how fuel economics work (litres per 100km), and what is good and what is bad. Yet alone how to work out how much it would cost to refill.

Woah Woah Woah. Back up.

Six trips over the Rimutaka hill a week? I suggest nothing with 4wd tyres. Even the Vitara/Escudo has little off road tyres that cost twice as much as passenger car tyres.

There doesn't seem to be any perfect car for you, but running cost of replacing tyres would sway me away immediately.

[Matariki]

Woah Woah Woah. Back up.

Six trips over the Rimutaka hill a week? I suggest nothing with 4wd tyres. Even the Vitara/Escudo has little off road tyres that cost twice as much as passenger car tyres.

There doesn't seem to be any perfect car for you, but running cost of replacing tyres would sway me away immediately.

Any suggestions then for a good solid car then?
Is it possible to put passenger car tires on the vitara?

I travel over the Rimutakas 3 days a week, expecting soon to go over 5 days a week. Are there any good alternatives to the Subaru Forester that isn't a favorite amongst car thieves?

[huff3r]

Any suggestions then for a good solid car then?
Is it possible to put passenger car tires on the vitara?

I travel over the Rimutakas 3 days a week, expecting soon to go over 5 days a week. Are there any good alternatives to the Subaru Forester that isn't a favorite amongst car thieves?

Yes you can put passenger tyres on them. Expect them to last 50-60,000kms due to being 4wd, and they would have much worse off-road performance, although if you were serious about going off-road you could just have 2 sets of wheels + tyres, one for the commute, and one to change if you wished to go off-roading. Also they aren't a normal passenger tyre size, so although you can get passenger tyres for them expect to pay $20-50 more each than a different passenger car.

In saying that, decent tyres for a forester would be pretty much the same price, and last the same.

Another vehicle to look at is maybe the RVR? Although I don't know much about them, but they are mitsubishi lancer based..

[leathel]

plenty of cheap rims around if you want to fit some Mud tyres later and swap tyres when you want to go more hard core 4x4.... and some tyres that are good for road and OK off road at lower pressures for general 4x4 stuff for the sizuki (R10??? I can check what the others are running on theirs)

My mothers runabout is an escudo and that has done some nice off road trips through the south Island and north, Not hard core 4x4 but I was very surprised just how well it went, even a Rav4 with the same tyres went OK.

OK they didn't go as easy as my wagon with the KL17's but the Rav only needed one tow out and the suzuki none, plenty of other more hard core needed help. The Suzi does bash the fuel tank a bit so a plate will be needed if rock hopping

Theirs is auto as well but does have a high low box.

Prado is a little bigger but some of them are great

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/lancruser/auction-591447893.htm

Bit dearer

I do lots of road miles on my KL17's and its only now that they are well worn that they are stating to slip a little, still way better than many off road tyres when they were new still.....

Its always going to be a compromise but you need to figure were the compromise
is, it may well be a second set of rims, a less hard core 4x4 or a not so smooth drive

[Matariki]

Hmm... I'll have to work out how much each vehicle is (roughly) going to cost for me to run it (and thats looking at it gas wise).

Edit: Maths fun

I worked out how much its going to cost gas wise to run each vehicle per year based on the sort of driving I'm going to be doing on the road. https://www.energywise.govt.nz/

Estimated traveling in KMs per year: 27,112.8km (round off to 30,000km). All 2000 (as in the year) models.

Suzuki Vitara/Escudo (petrol, manual, 2000cc engine): $5040 per year.
Suzuki Grand Vitara (petrol, manual, 1590cc engine): $4800 per year.
Subaru Forester (petrol, manual, 2000cc engine): $5580 per year.
Toyota RAV4 (petrol, manual, 2000cc engine): $5400 per year.

Edit: Would also consider looking at station wagons too (providing they're 4wd).

[Flip]

There are heaps of good AT all terain tyres available for Vitara's. My fav is the AT firestone however my wife's Vitata has hangkook AT's at the moment.

On the open road my 50 litre Vitara tank gets 750km which is 6.6 litres/100 km. My Harley gets 6.5-7 depending on how I ride and if the boss is on the back.

[Edbear]

Hmm... I'll have to work out how much each vehicle is (roughly) going to cost for me to run it (and thats looking at it gas wise).

Edit: Maths fun

I worked out how much its going to cost gas wise to run each vehicle per year based on the sort of driving I'm going to be doing on the road. https://www.energywise.govt.nz/

Estimated traveling in KMs per year: 27,112.8km (round off to 30,000km). All 2000 (as in the year) models.

Suzuki Vitara/Escudo (petrol, manual, 2000cc engine): $5040 per year.
Suzuki Grand Vitara (petrol, manual, 1590cc engine): $4800 per year.
Subaru Forester (petrol, manual, 2000cc engine): $5580 per year.
Toyota RAV4 (petrol, manual, 2000cc engine): $5400 per year.

Edit: Would also consider looking at station wagons too (providing they're 4wd).

The Vitara 1600 is still the best choice of the 4x4's. Station wagons are a good second choice and of those the only one I have never heard any negatives about is the Toyota Caldina. Available in several models including 4WD. Every single person I have spoken to who has/had one praises them. May not save you any fuel though.

[Matariki]

The Vitara 1600 is still the best choice of the 4x4's.

I'm happy with the idea of getting one for everyday use. Well, I'm glad that's settled then.

[neels]

I'm happy with the idea of getting one for everyday use. Well, I'm glad that's settled then.
Thank god for that. :laugh:

Don't panic yourself too much about the cost/life of 4wd tyres, I'm running 80/20 ATR tyres on my terrano, have replaced them twice in 110k's. A bit more expensive than car tyres, but to put it in perspective the last set cost me just under $900, a set of low profile 15" tyres for the wifes car was a bit under $800 so not a lot better.

[ducatilover]

Another vehicle to look at is maybe the RVR? Although I don't know much about them, but they are mitsubishi lancer based..
Generally quite troublesome cars, but parts are cheap.

Hmm... I'll have to work out how much each vehicle is (roughly) going to cost for me to run it (and thats looking at it gas wise).

Edit: Maths fun

I worked out how much its going to cost gas wise to run each vehicle per year based on the sort of driving I'm going to be doing on the road. https://www.energywise.govt.nz/

Estimated traveling in KMs per year: 27,112.8km (round off to 30,000km). All 2000 (as in the year) models.

Suzuki Vitara/Escudo (petrol, manual, 2000cc engine): $5040 per year.
Suzuki Grand Vitara (petrol, manual, 1590cc engine): $4800 per year.
Subaru Forester (petrol, manual, 2000cc engine): $5580 per year.
Toyota RAV4 (petrol, manual, 2000cc engine): $5400 per year.

Edit: Would also consider looking at station wagons too (providing they're 4wd).
If you're really set on 4WD, the Vitara is the best.
But, any of the small hatch/wagons I mentioned previously will be fine.
Or just buy a typical wagon, mid-90's Corolla etc
Our '96 Corolla average 7L/100km going from Eketahuna to Petone each day, and it has been stupidly reliable.
The Civic farm hack I drive, ratty old POS has been averaging 6L/100km going from Tauranga to Palmy, to Auckland and every-bloody-where else :niceone: can manage 5.8L/100km if you treat it far nicer than it deserves.

I would also take the fuel ratings on that site with a grain of salt.

[ducatilover]

Thank god for that. :laugh:

Don't panic yourself too much about the cost/life of 4wd tyres, I'm running 80/20 ATR tyres on my terrano, have replaced them twice in 110k's. A bit more expensive than car tyres, but to put it in perspective the last set cost me just under $900, a set of low profile 15" tyres for the wifes car was a bit under $800 so not a lot better.

And they don't wear out too fast if you treat it nice in 2wd.

[Matariki]

Hmm... I was thinking about the Vitara, but then it hit me that I need to get a vehicle sooner than anticipated. My budget at the moment is $3000, providing I sell the TS (no, I won't be selling the TS at $3000) which I plan to do over the holidays. I was thinking about getting a Toyota Corolla. Any opinions on those?

[Madness]

I was thinking about getting a Toyota Corolla. Any opinions on those?

Ground clearance on a Corolla is a lot less than something like a Vitara. Also, with most being FWD you'll need to keep your speed up when traversing rivers, etc.

[unstuck]

Have taken a 4wd corolla station wagon over the Nevis before. Too low for any real off roading though. You should be able to pick up something like this for 3 grand, and you can camp in the sucker.

http://www.riverize.com/photo/1992-Delica-P25W-0614678-09.jpg

[Matariki]

I didn't know that the Toyota Corolla came in 4wd, I thought they were 2wd vehicles.
Are there any particular models I should look for?

[unstuck]

Not a fan of full time 4wd myself, more fuel, tire wear ect......... But something like this you should be able to find for 3-4 grand. Caldina,s are not bad either.

http://cdn.sella.co.nz/images/thumb/1/j/p/8dd1jp-640x500.jpg

[leathel]

high K's but cheapish

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/daihatsu/terios/auction-599621503.htm

I am not a mitsi fan... but

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/daihatsu/terios/auction-599621503.htm

or if you dont mind topping the oil up due to valve guides leaking oil in to the chamber

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/suzuki/escudo/auction-598905182.htm

[unstuck]

Shit, I wouldnt mind getting that escudo myself, those go well off road. Just a wee bit thirsty on the road with the V6.:Punk::Punk:

[Winston001]

Have taken a 4wd corolla station wagon over the Nevis before. Too low for any real off roading though. You should be able to pick up something like this for 3 grand, and you can camp in the sucker.

http://www.riverize.com/photo/1992-Delica-P25W-0614678-09.jpg

Respect! Well done. I presume you didn't like that car lol. Actually didn't know there were 4wd Corollas.

[unstuck]

Yep, toyota made a 4wd corolla from the mid 80,s to the mid 90,s. They also do the carib and caldina and corona in a 4wd versions. :niceone:

And the Nevis is not to hard on a car if you take your time, unless the rivers are up, then it can be fun. Also done it in a kingswood and a hiace van with chains on in the snow, but that took a couple of days.:yes:

[ducatilover]

Only common issues I know of with 4wd Corollas with the 4AFE are diff mounts and rear shock mounts, both easy and cheap to fix

Get one, it'll be cheap on the road and very reliable

[leathel]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/caldina/auction-600134428.htm

bit bigger than the corolla but normally a nicer ride, 4wd uses more gas but on shitty roads does grip better

or a manual one

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/caldina/auction-597827804.htm

[Drew]

Is the thread starter not capable of using trademe themselves or summat?

This whole thread is fuckin retarded!

[unstuck]

This whole thread is fuckin retarded!

Probably what attracted you too it aye drew.:Punk::Punk:

[neels]

I didn't know that the Toyota Corolla came in 4wd, I thought they were 2wd vehicles.
Are there any particular models I should look for?
Find a toyota you like, then find the equivalent nissan or mazda and buy that instead. You'll get the same amount of car for a lot less money, without the bullshit toyota 'reliability' premium.

[unstuck]

Mazda Familiar(323) 4wd diesle would be ok. Nissan Avenir 4wd wagon look ok, but I have not heard many nice things about them.:Punk:

[SMOKEU]

If you want a diesel then forget anything with a Japanese engine in it and buy something European. There's a reason why some Japanese vehicle manufacturers are starting to use European diesels in then.

[SMOKEU]

Hmm... I was thinking about the Vitara, but then it hit me that I need to get a vehicle sooner than anticipated. My budget at the moment is $3000, providing I sell the TS (no, I won't be selling the TS at $3000) which I plan to do over the holidays. I was thinking about getting a Toyota Corolla. Any opinions on those?

You need to be more realistic with your price. $3k will get you an unreliable pile of shit that's 10 years overdue to be scrapped. Keep saving until you can afford to get a decent vehicle, otherwise you'll spend more money on the vehicle than its worth and still be left without a decent ride.

Corollas are horribly outdated for what they are, and sell for far more than they should.

[Matariki]

You need to be more realistic with your price. $3k will get you an unreliable pile of shit that's 10 years overdue to be scrapped. Keep saving until you can afford to get a decent vehicle, otherwise you'll spend more money on the vehicle than its worth and still be left without a decent ride.

Corollas are horribly outdated for what they are, and sell for far more than they should.

What would be your recommendation SMOKEU?

[unstuck]

What would be your recommendation SMOKEU?

Dont worry about him, he,s still on pushbikes.:innocent:

[SMOKEU]

What would be your recommendation SMOKEU?

Buy a push bike or take a bus until you have a more reasonable amount of money. An SUV will generally cost at least double that of a comparable year and mileage car, so think carefully. You may be better off buying a car and hiring an SUV when you need it.

[unstuck]

Buy a push bike or take a bus until you have a more reasonable amount of money. An SUV will generally cost at least double that of a comparable year and mileage car, so think carefully. You may be better off buying a car and hiring an SUV when you need it.

So you have not been reading the thread then smokey, she is looking at getting a car now. Plenty of good cars out there for that money. I just got me a 94 bluebird today, wof reg and good runner for $200. Should be able to get $1400-$1600 for it after a couple of wee jobs.:Punk::Punk:

[Matariki]

So you have not been reading the thread then smokey, she is looking at getting a car now. Plenty of good cars out there for that money. I just got me a 94 bluebird today, wof reg and good runner for $200. Should be able to get $1400-$1600 for it after a couple of wee jobs.:Punk::Punk:

Thats good news then, as thats definitely within my budget. I'm thinking about going with a hatchback as its smaller and might work out cheaper to run.

[ducatilover]

Buy a push bike or take a bus until you have a more reasonable amount of money. An SUV will generally cost at least double that of a comparable year and mileage car, so think carefully. You may be better off buying a car and hiring an SUV when you need it.

I think you'll need to see the planned commute she mentioned earlier.
AFAIK there are no busses going there daily.
And push biking on the Rimutaka hill is suicide

There are trains, however.

[Drew]

And push biking on the Rimutaka hill is suicide

That's completely relative. From my perspective, cyclists on the hill is murder!

[ducatilover]

That's completely relative. From my perspective, cyclists on the hill is murder!

You have to be fucked to ride a push bike up there.

I did it once.

[Matariki]

So I did some browsing on Trademe and I came up with a list of 5 cars to consider (based on my current budget of $2000 - $3000);

Toyota Corolla
Suzuki Alto
Nissan March
Honda Civic
Toyota Starlet

Now I've got to figure out which of them based on my budget is the best value for money. Does anyone here have any experience driving any of these models?

[unstuck]

So I did some browsing on Trademe and I came up with a list of 5 cars to consider (based on my current budget of $2000 - $3000);

Toyota Corolla
Suzuki Alto
Nissan March
Honda Civic
Toyota Starlet

Now I've got to figure out which of them based on my budget is the best value for money. Does anyone here have any experience driving any of these models?

I have driven all apart from the nissan march, personally I would go for the corolla or starlet. I will never buy another Honda car, because even though they were not bad cars, I found them hard to source parts for, because there are so many variations within the model group. The suzuki Alto is just ugly, IMO. Nissan do make some good cars, but I know next to nothing about the march, except that it is similar to the nissan micra. I bought a 1994 toyota corona 12yrs ago for 2 grand and it is still going strong, and I have done bugger all to it except routine maintainence, altho I did have to buy a battery for it this morning.:Punk::Punk: Good luck, and make sure you get someone to have a look over it before you buy.

[leathel]

European cars are often cheap.... some because of bad stories... or controls back to front (lights wiper indicators on opposite sides) but you can get pretty late low K cars for a good price.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/renault/clio/auction-602711684.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/volkswagen/polo/auction-602085886.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/renault/megane/auction-602323887.htm

[unstuck]

What are they like to source parts for though?. Did some work on a diesle pugeot a couple of years ago and the parts were a nightmare to find. I would suggest maybe doing a little research on parts availability before buying some of the European makes. Just my opinion though.:niceone:

[huff3r]

What are they like to source parts for though?. Did some work on a diesle pugeot a couple of years ago and the parts were a nightmare to find. I would suggest maybe doing a little research on parts availability before buying some of the European makes. Just my opinion though.:niceone:

I'd agree there. BMWs are generally easy to get parts for if you ask the right people. There is a really good forum out there for advice too. Anything more exotic.... not so easy for parts, or advice!

But in saying that, if you don't know what you are doing then BMWs can be VERY expensive to maintain.

Buy an E30.

[leathel]

What are they like to source parts for though?. Did some work on a diesle pugeot a couple of years ago and the parts were a nightmare to find. I would suggest maybe doing a little research on parts availability before buying some of the European makes. Just my opinion though.:niceone:

there are getting to be quite a few Euro wreckers out there... and more agents for new parts so its not the drama it used to be, Services it depends on where you take them as shops shops will rip you because its not the norm for them.... they are different to pull apart, not always hard but first time doing a model can take twice as long..

But I deal the the panel side of things not the mechanical to much... have some customers that love them to bits...don't have many that don't like them.

My current Fords have been the worst vehicles I have ever owned for things breaking .AUIII Falcon has replaced steering clock springs, window switches, Diff housings, suspension arms, door remotes, rusted in places too....but I got it cheap tidied it up and couldn't sell it so kept it...sort of wishing I had sold it cheaper and got rid of it

The insurance assessors that deal with mechanical insurance say the most claims are done for Fords euro and Aus...some Holden's are not too far behind...some modern Toyota's are up there to (Hilux and Hiace are not so reliable any more)

I am less brand sure these days...buy something low K's as possible and hope for the best :wacko:

[unstuck]

Last decent ford I had was an austalian essembled MK3. I am not a fan of modern fords either. Hiluxs stopped being good when they brought out that sheepshagger model. Lots of good cars around at the moment though.:yes:

[Drew]

Last decent ford I had was an austalian essembled MK3. I'm guessing Cortina. Word was that a 4.1 would bolt straight into the aussie ones...Word was fuckin wrong!

[ducatilover]

European cars are often cheap.... some because of bad stories... or controls back to front (lights wiper indicators on opposite sides) but you can get pretty late low K cars for a good price.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/renault/clio/auction-602711684.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/volkswagen/polo/auction-602085886.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/renault/megane/auction-602323887.htm
Clios are a bit troublesome.
Polos are absolutely rubbish, constant issues with electrics and failing ABS units (expensive to replace, not many people willing to repair) and they have a stupid cam belt set up
Megane? Both the Clio and Megane offer no advantage over the equivilant Japanese car they're also poorly put together, a 1.5 or 1.6 Pulsar/Sentra will last longer, be cheaper to buy, cheaper to run etc

[unstuck]

I'm guessing Cortina. Word was that a 4.1 would bolt straight into the aussie ones...Word was fuckin wrong!

Yep cortina, mine had a factory fitted 4.1 and the heavy duty springs and shocks. Was a weapon, until the driveshaft let go doing around 120kph on a gravel road.:crybaby:

[ducatilover]

Yep cortina, mine had a factory fitted 4.1 and the heavy duty springs and shocks. Was a weapon, until the driveshaft let go doing around 120kph on a gravel road.:crybaby:

The 4.1 Aussie mk3 was a hellishly cool idea :2thumbsup

[unstuck]

The 4.1 Aussie mk3 was a hellishly cool idea :2thumbsup

Yes it was, a lot of people have tried to replicate them over the years just using the standard ones, but they were never the same. I Put a 302 windsor in one once too:oi-grr:

[98tls]

So I did some browsing on Trademe and I came up with a list of 5 cars to consider (based on my current budget of $2000 - $3000);

Toyota Corolla
Suzuki Alto
Nissan March
Honda Civic
Toyota Starlet

Now I've got to figure out which of them based on my budget is the best value for money. Does anyone here have any experience driving any of these models?

Cant go wrong with a Corolla,i sold them for 5 years and saw many still going strong after being round the clock twice,Honda fwiw were the last to sort out rust problems,really bad in earlier hatchbacks.Forget about any sedans,hatchbacks/liftbacks are far more user friendly.If you havent got somebody clever with cars to help out insist on an AA check before handing any cash over.

[98tls]

European cars are often cheap.... some because of bad stories... or controls back to front (lights wiper indicators on opposite sides) but you can get pretty late low K cars for a good price.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/renault/clio/auction-602711684.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/volkswagen/polo/auction-602085886.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/renault/megane/auction-602323887.htm

Theres a reason there cheap.

[98tls]

Yes it was, a lot of people have tried to replicate them over the years just using the standard ones, but they were never the same. I Put a 302 windsor in one once too:oi-grr:

There was a Mk3 in Gore with a 351 Cleveland back in the day,light blue still on skinnys,apart from the height it looked like grandads car,mental but fun.

[98tls]

Clios are a bit troublesome.
Polos are absolutely rubbish, constant issues with electrics and failing ABS units (expensive to replace, not many people willing to repair) and they have a stupid cam belt set up
Megane? Both the Clio and Megane offer no advantage over the equivilant Japanese car they're also poorly put together, a 1.5 or 1.6 Pulsar/Sentra will last longer, be cheaper to buy, cheaper to run etc

Just bothered to read all the thread,Yep what he said.

[Matariki]

For the Toyota Corolla, should I look at purchasing an import or a NZ new model?

[98tls]

For the Toyota Corolla, should I look at purchasing an import or a NZ new model?

Wont make any difference,just make sure you get it checked out by someone who knows what there doing.Generally the AA are pretty good though this being the internet theres bound to be someone who posts up a horror story (there is about everything else).Remember that whatever someones asking for a vehicle chances are they will take less and you have nothing to lose offering them less than the asking price.

[ducatilover]

For the Toyota Corolla, should I look at purchasing an import or a NZ new model?

There's not much difference between them generally. You may find that Jap import models have higher levels of spec.
Early 90's (AE9x series) NZ Corollas were better than the imports, but in the mid 90's that all changed. Early 90's had anti-roll bars in the rear whilst most overseas markets did not (you can thank mr Chris Amon for that :D )
Buy on condition, not kms, our '96 was at 508,000km half a month ago, probably just over 510 now and it has been very, very relaible.

[ducatilover]

Wont make any difference,just make sure you get it checked out by someone who knows what there doing.Generally the AA are pretty good though this being the internet theres bound to be someone who posts up a horror story (there is about everything else).Remember that whatever someones asking for a vehicle chances are they will take less and you have nothing to lose offering them less than the asking price.

Only horror story is many AA people check compression by comparing current draw on the starter motor to the original spec.
Not exactly a useful way to check condition of internals lol but you generally can't go wrong with them.
I think VTNZ may do inspections now?

[unstuck]

Yep VTNZ will do an appraisal. http://www.vtnz.co.nz/pre-purchase-inspection ;)

[Matariki]

So I was doing some looking around for a Toyota Corolla and I found this dealer on Trademe who has a salesroom in lowerhutt - Tradeinclearanc (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Profile.aspx?member=3417531). Has any dealed with this trader before? There were also several cars that they have that I'm interested in looking at that they currently have listed;

Nissan Sentra (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/auction-603774338.htm)

Toyota Cynos (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/auction-604713389.htm)

Nissan Pulsar (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/auction-604713410.htm)

Nissan Wingroad (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/auction-604715888.htm)

Toyota Paseo (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/auction-604715889.htm)

[ducatilover]

So I was doing some looking around for a Toyota Corolla and I found this dealer on Trademe who has a salesroom in lowerhutt - Tradeinclearanc (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Profile.aspx?member=3417531). Has any dealed with this trader before? There were also several cars that they have that I'm interested in looking at that they currently have listed;

Nissan Sentra (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/auction-603774338.htm)

Toyota Cynos (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/auction-604713389.htm)

Nissan Pulsar (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/auction-604713410.htm)

Nissan Wingroad (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/auction-604715888.htm)

Toyota Paseo (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/auction-604715889.htm)
Sentra: Will be a bit underpowered on the open road/hills (read: impressively gutless), I'd recommend a 1.6-2.0 of that same shape, the 1.8s are real nice and 2.0 are the nicest, both of which run the later generation SR engines.

Cynos/Paseo: Not really anything wrong with them, as long as it's tidy it'll do you well, essentially it's just a Starlet in a dress without the price premium. I'd prefer a manual though, better on gas and better up hills.

Pulsar: The 1.5 aren't very grunty, but those engines are generally very robust. Some of the later ones with the GA15DE motor had seals around the plug holes in the rocker cover that cannot be replaced, but kiwi ingenuity fixes 'em. That one is a bit pricey for what it is, I picked one up for a mate with similar kms but it was a 2004-5 one for similar money.

Wingroad: same running gear as the Pulsar wagon, that particular one IMO is over priced.

You'd find much nicer examples of all the above for a significant amount less if you buy privately.
Feel free to send me a message if there are any cars further up north, I should be in the Hawkes Bay for a few weeks :2thumbsup

[Matariki]

You'd find much nicer examples of all the above for a significant amount less if you buy privately.
Feel free to send me a message if there are any cars further up north, I should be in the Hawkes Bay for a few weeks :2thumbsup

I've been mainly looking around the lower hutt/wellington region. Hawkes Bay is a little bit far for me to go up and collect a car. In saying that, I also found this dealer who is selling the following that is within my budget; (up to $3000). I would prefer to get a manual, but i'm not purchasing the car just for myself but also my older sister who prefers an automatic. I'm also looking for something that is under 2000cc as it will be cheaper to run petrol wise. I've never bought a car before, so I'm not sure about whether I should go with a dealer or a private seller. Basically I'm throwing ideas of what I could get, because I don't really know what I should be looking for (in terms of condition and value for money). Nissan and Toyota, at least from what I've heard so far, appear to be the best choices.

Toyota Camry (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/auction-603879077.htm)

Toyota Corolla (NZ New) (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/auction-603858279.htm)

Nissan Pulsar (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/auction-605226605.htm)

I'm also looking at the Nissan Sunny (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/sunny/auction-604597469.htm), I also found this version of the Nissan Pulsar (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/pulsar/auction-603977514.htm) and this one (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/pulsar/auction-603867685.htm) too, and this Nissan Primera (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/nissan/primera/auction-595869521.htm).

I also found some Toyota's as well; Toyota Camry GL (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/camry/auction-605109091.htm), and there's this one (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/camry/auction-604517055.htm) too, and another (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/corona/auction-604331311.htm), Toyota Corona (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/corona/auction-604331311.htm) and this Toyota Levin (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/levin/auction-589430242.htm).

[ducatilover]

Pretty good choices in there.
I'd avoid that early model Corolla, mechanically they're great, but they love to rust.
And I wouldn't buy a Levin/Trueno with that 20 valve motor, just about every example you'll find is now eating oil.

Camrys are solid and dependable. The only thing to look out for is oil leaks at the bottom of the cam belt cover (drivers side engine bay, underneath on a 2.2) as they tend to leak oil from the oil pump seal, if you get a cambelt done on one make sure that is replaced and the nut on the pump drive sprocket loctited (very rare, but a few have fallen off)
They're very easy on the petrol for a 2.2

A better car of that year/class would be the 2.0 Mazda 626, they drive a little better and are a little cheaper to run (average just over 7l/100km). Only real common issue on them is the intake manifold gasket leaking, it's a 2 hour job and a $7 part.

Nothing wrong with the mid 90's Sunny/Sentra/Pulsar range. The 1.8 GTi is a nice little car and would serve its owner well.

The Corona is a good car, but a Camry does the same job and is much newer

[Matariki]

Pretty good choices in there.
I'd avoid that early model Corolla, mechanically they're great, but they love to rust.
And I wouldn't buy a Levin/Trueno with that 20 valve motor, just about every example you'll find is now eating oil.

Camrys are solid and dependable. The only thing to look out for is oil leaks at the bottom of the cam belt cover (drivers side engine bay, underneath on a 2.2) as they tend to leak oil from the oil pump seal, if you get a cambelt done on one make sure that is replaced and the nut on the pump drive sprocket loctited (very rare, but a few have fallen off)
They're very easy on the petrol for a 2.2

A better car of that year/class would be the 2.0 Mazda 626, they drive a little better and are a little cheaper to run (average just over 7l/100km). Only real common issue on them is the intake manifold gasket leaking, it's a 2 hour job and a $7 part.

Nothing wrong with the mid 90's Sunny/Sentra/Pulsar range. The 1.8 GTi is a nice little car and would serve its owner well.

The Corona is a good car, but a Camry does the same job and is much newer

Its good to know that I'm on the right path, thanks for the help so far. :yes:

[Winston001]

If I lived in the Wellington general area I'd buy an automatic transmission vehicle. You have lots of hills and windy roads - a bit like Dunedin.

My sister has lived in Wellington for years and always had manual cars - cos some wise friend told her autos are trouble. Recently I finally persuaded her to buy a 2005 Corolla auto and she is almost speechless with happiness. She genuinely had no idea how different an auto is to drive on steep winding Wellington hills. Its been pleasant to help someone who had no idea how much easier driving a car can be.

Do yourself a favour and buy an auto.