Human nature in 10 minutes

[mashman]

I'll probably watch a few more of these... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g&feature=youtu.be)... our secondary behaviours are the nasty ones that so many refer to as human nature eh. Go figure.

[Naki Rat]

Interesting video. Yet another example of when man tries to fight or deny Nature bad things 'happen' (e.g. industrialised farming, unbridled antibiotic use, GMOs?, rampant refined food consumption, rain forest [carbon sink] destruction, etc.). And the real question is whether one or more of these will snuff out our species before we wise up to where we're heading? :shit:

[oldrider]

Hmmmmmmmmm 10 minutes eh! :shifty: .... Well, I guess it was worth it but I may need another 10 minutes or more to digest it all entirely. :yes:

[Edbear]

Very interesting and pretty accurate IMHO.

The main issue we need to get solved if Mankind is to survive is the death of bees and the oceans. We cannot live without either and these two things are dying faster than we can deal with. Scientists are generally agreed we have between 30 and 50 years left, maybe at the outside 100. If you Google "Are the Oceans Dying?" it makes sobering reading, but stick to the actual scientific studies, not the vested interests.

[blackdog]

Scientists are generally agreed we have between 30 and 50 years left, maybe at the outside 100.

Sources?

I love how you pull sweeping statements out of your arse, but what is scary is I think you actually believe your own bullshit.

[Edbear]

Sources?

I love how you pull sweeping statements out of your arse, but what is scary is I think you actually believe your own bullshit.

What part of this is beyond your comprehension? :doh:

"If you Google "Are the Oceans Dying?" it makes sobering reading, but stick to the actual scientific studies, not the vested interests."

[blackdog]

What part of this is beyond your comprehension? :doh:

"If you Google "Are the Oceans Dying?" it makes sobering reading, but stick to the actual scientific studies, not the vested interests."

I asked for your source Ed, not a lesson in how to google or a vague sweeping reference that has no basis in realty. This appears to be beyond YOUR comprehension.

I will retract my statement that you are full of shit once you provide the relevant information.

When 'scientists' make an ascertation they follow that with a citation. I am looking forward to seeing that from you. Just once.

[bogan]

What part of this is beyond your comprehension? :doh:

"If you Google "Are the Oceans Dying?" it makes sobering reading, but stick to the actual scientific studies, not the vested interests."

Dial down the condescension and up the empathy a bit bud, or did you learn nothing from that video?

[Edbear]

Dial down the condescension and up the empathy a bit bud, or did you learn nothing from that video?

I have little patience with idiots who have no other agenda than to ridicule.

The reason I recommended doing his own research was simply that whatever I post he will contradict outright or ridicule.

As always, certain people will never find anything out for themselves as it would destroy their precious prejudices. It is not hard to find the scientific studies if anyone cares to.

[bogan]

The reason I recommended doing his own research was simply that whatever I post he will contradict outright or ridicule.

As always, certain people will never find anything out for themselves as it would destroy their precious prejudices. It is not hard to find the scientific studies if anyone cares to.

Then post something that is not open to contradiction or ridicule, seems like a no-brainer really.

It is hard, I just looked on google scholar and found nothing like what you suggested, the few articles that did pique my interest were from journals I do not have subscriptions to. But if you'd rather make up shit and berate others for not being able to find your fiction in order to 'win' a discussion, then by all means, go suck a bag of dicks.

[blackdog]

I have little patience with idiots who have no other agenda than to ridicule.



Ahh the irony.

You also have little patience for backing up your statements with any facts.

Like bogan, I did in fact embark on some quick research to find out if I was going to have egg on my face asking you for a source. I too was unable to find anything resembling your numbers and certainly no 'agreement' between most scientists.

To make such a vast generalisation and expect it to be taken seriously in itself is ridiculous.

[Edbear]

Then post something that is not open to contradiction or ridicule, seems like a no-brainer really.

It is hard, I just looked on google scholar and found nothing like what you suggested, the few articles that did pique my interest were from journals I do not have subscriptions to. But if you'd rather make up shit and berate others for not being able to find your fiction in order to 'win' a discussion, then by all means, go suck a bag of dicks.


Ahh the irony.

You also have little patience for backing up your statements with any facts.

Like bogan, I did in fact embark on some quick research to find out if I was going to have egg on my face asking you for a source. I too was unable to find anything resembling your statement.

It is hard not to sound condescending, but so be it I will dig them out and post them...

[Edbear]

http://www.fisherycrisis.com/
http://www.uga.edu/gm/1202/FeatDeep.html
http://www.seashepherd.org/commentary-and-editorials/2009/07/09/what-will-happen-to-us-when-the-oceans-die-144
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/oceans-dying-at-alarming-rate-scientists-warn-of-coming-extinction/
http://theweek.com/article/index/216547/are-the-oceans-dying
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/death-oceans/
http://dgrnewsservice.org/2012/03/12/oceans-will-die-if-business-as-usual-continues/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUT_8C-Qrw8 (Some very clear messages in here if you can pick through it).
http://www.oceansentry.org/en/2557-sobrepesca-muerte-de-los-oceanos.html

Enjoy...

[bogan]

http://www.fisherycrisis.com/
http://www.uga.edu/gm/1202/FeatDeep.html
http://www.seashepherd.org/commentary-and-editorials/2009/07/09/what-will-happen-to-us-when-the-oceans-die-144
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/oceans-dying-at-alarming-rate-scientists-warn-of-coming-extinction/
http://theweek.com/article/index/216547/are-the-oceans-dying
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/death-oceans/
http://dgrnewsservice.org/2012/03/12/oceans-will-die-if-business-as-usual-continues/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUT_8C-Qrw8 (Some very clear messages in here if you can pick through it).
http://www.oceansentry.org/en/2557-sobrepesca-muerte-de-los-oceanos.html

Enjoy...

:yawn: Absolutely none of those were scientific studies. There were a lot of claims about scientists finding within them, but none had proper referencing or citations.

Anyone can write things like that and make it sound like the science backs it up (you should know as you try to do it all the time), but unless proper referencing is used the article is unable to be subject to peer review, and therefor worthless in a debate.

[blackdog]

http://www.fisherycrisis.com/
http://www.uga.edu/gm/1202/FeatDeep.html
http://www.seashepherd.org/commentary-and-editorials/2009/07/09/what-will-happen-to-us-when-the-oceans-die-144
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/oceans-dying-at-alarming-rate-scientists-warn-of-coming-extinction/
http://theweek.com/article/index/216547/are-the-oceans-dying
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/death-oceans/
http://dgrnewsservice.org/2012/03/12/oceans-will-die-if-business-as-usual-continues/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUT_8C-Qrw8 (Some very clear messages in here if you can pick through it).
http://www.oceansentry.org/en/2557-sobrepesca-muerte-de-los-oceanos.html

Enjoy...

And I did enjoy. Nowhere in any of those pages did I see any agreement among 'most' scientists that the world only had 30 to 50 years left.

I am also astounded that when asked to provide a citation, all you can do is come up with a list of web pages. Yes some are relevant to the conversation, but you show repeatedly that you are unable to comprehend what I mean when I ask you to show us exactly where you get your 'facts' from.

Come on Ed, back it up mate. Point me to the one paragraph, anywhere in there that says there is a consensus by MOST scientists. From what I read there, it is hard enough to get most in any particular branch of science to agree never mind all the scientists that have no relevant experience in the field.

[Edbear]

I was the one who said most scientists agree. Wihtin thesew articles I found at least two comments that we would see the death of coral reefs by the end of this century for example.

I will go back over my archives for more specific quotes.

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/articles/article/ocean-acidification/

Natalie is a scientist and her references are clearly given.

http://www.uga.edu/gm/1202/FeatDeep.html
Porter is a UGA Ecologist who has been researching the oceans since at least 1975 and lead a tem of 7 scientists.

http://www.fisherycrisis.com/

References are within the article to click on each link.

http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/oceans-dying-at-alarming-rate-scientists-warn-of-coming-extinction/

Article referred to the Huffington post which is clearly referenced.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/20/ipso-2011-ocean-report-mass-extinction_n_880656.html

[Edbear]

90% gone by 2030?
http://www.wri.org/publication/reefs-at-risk-revisited

[bogan]

That's getting better, but still didn't see any journal articles in there. With an issue this big, if there are findings, there will be journal articles. Those websites only had a bibliography, no citations I could see, and couldn't see any figures to support your earlier post either.

It's human nature not to want to piss around trying to verify findings or claims of others, but it is also human nature to be skeptical of the claims of others. So I dare say it is this human's nature that I'll read one page at any one level to verify another's claims. Ie, make statement, provide reference, I'll read the first page or the page which is referenced, which is either the abstract, or relevant paragraph, then decide if it is worth reading around that, and possibly also check articles that work has referenced.

[Edbear]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/jul/07/research.waste

http://awsassets.panda.org/downloads/1_lpr_2012_online_full_size_single_pages_final_120 516.pdf

Under "What Does the Future Hold?"

"The “business as usual” scenario for humanity’s Ecological
Footprint shows more and more pressure being placed on the
planet. By 2050 humanity would require an equivalent of 2.9
planets to support the “business as usual” assumptions (Figure 54)."

232 Million Hectares of forest will dissappear by 2050.

[Edbear]

http://www.peopleandplanet.net/?lid=26107&topic=44&section=34

Sobering reading.

[bogan]

So what, now you're going to just spam exerpts from and links to doomsday articles/blogs with no context at all? I don't think you quite understand the whole referencing and citing point of things. This was supposed to be a thread about the interesting empathic nature of humans, and I fear we have got well off track by the much less interesting Ed trolling.

Edit: in fact if a mod could PD posts 4 through this one that would be great...

[Edbear]

So what, now you're going to just spam exerpts from and links to doomsday articles/blogs with no context at all? I don't think you quite understand the whole referencing and citing point of things. This was supposed to be a thread about the interesting empathic nature of humans, and I fear we have got well off track by the much less interesting Ed trolling.

Edit: in fact if a mod could PD posts 4 through this one that would be great...

Not at all. If you read through, these are specific articles with very real statements that are supported by the scientific studies I've already posted.

Notice how many are referring to the year 2050? These are not MY articles and not written and published by me. They are factual and verifiable. If you don't like it, tough...

[bogan]

I don't think you quite understand the whole referencing and citing point of things.


Not at all.

Well, now we've cleared that up, we can get the thread back on topic.

If you really want to discuss climate change, start a new thread and/or get a mod to move this stuff.

[Big Dave]

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[mashman]

Hmmmmmmmmm 10 minutes eh! :shifty: .... Well, I guess it was worth it but I may need another 10 minutes or more to digest it all entirely. :yes:

Watch it again, or more :laugh:

[mashman]

Life of Bwian

Good Evening. Would you like something to talk about.


http://www.thersa.org/events/rsaanimate/animate/power-of-outrospection

[Road kill]

Sources?

I love how you pull sweeping statements out of your arse, but what is scary is I think you actually believe your own bullshit.

He's right though.

Anybody over 50 years old that can remember what this country looked like when they were a kid knows we are now FUCKED.

And as for what we've done in the last two hundred years,,,we're even more fucked if we repeat that shit.

Our industry is killing us.

No need for research or proof,,,you can just see it happening.