3 strikes

[Dean]

Heard about the three strike-life sentance that just came into the scene recently. But fuark stealing a couple of hats an skateboards is gonna put this man in for 14 years. Amount of money spent on housin his ass in detentional facility's for 14 years fuk off mate. Il take the skateboards ya bastards!



http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8605255/Anger-at-14-year-strike-2-warning

[oldrider]

If we had some real judges that had authority and accountability for their actions they would be able to deal to punks like this guy early on!

I would rather see this mongrel locked away and have the public safe from his fuck you attitude.

[Ender EnZed]

Stealing a couple of hats and skateboards?


Whaanga's offending stretches back to 2006, including burglary, theft, resisting arrest and indecent assault. He served a short prison sentence in early 2010.

In July that year, he and an accomplice committed aggravated robbery. Whaanga punched the victim in the head multiple times before taking $68. For that he earned his first strike in December 2010 and was sentenced to jail for two years and one month.

He was freed on parole in April last year.

Four months later he committed two aggravated robberies with two separate accomplices.

The first involved taking a skateboard, hat and cigarette lighter from the victim after trying unsuccessfully to remove the victim's jacket. The second involved Whaanga kicking the victim in the back of his leg and taking his hat and cellphone.

Yes locking him up for 14 years is a waste of money, but only compared to the price of a bullet.

[caseye]

Heard about the three strike-life sentance that just came into the scene recently. But fuark stealing a couple of hats an skateboards is gonna put this man in for 14 years. Amount of money spent on housin his ass in detentional facility's for 14 years fuk off mate. Il take the skateboards ya bastards!



http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8605255/Anger-at-14-year-strike-2-warning

Our media and the opposition pollies have a lot to answer for, portraying this mongrel as an ordinary poor young man???? who has simply been misunderstood, Crap.

It's been around for the past 3 - 4 years and guess what, there are only 2 low life pricks on step 2.
I'd say the three strikes and your out policy is working bloody well.
There are only a few on step 1 and they've not gone out and done anything silly for those 3 - 4 years either.
Comment and or opinion is fine, but first do take the time to check out what the prick had done first, he's a mindless,sociopath who doesn't give a fuck , if you have it and he wants it, he'll simply take it from you using whatever comes to hand.
The pity is that instead of 14 yr no parole sentence, it isn't a simple , stand there, do you want a blindfold?
I'd vote for that .

[Bald Eagle]

303 ggets my vote, bloody oxygen thieves

[awayatc]

3 strikes and out...?

They are usually well out after I strike em once.....

[mashman]

Petty theft is petty theft. A fight is a fight. Attacking someone to take their shit should get you 5 years... 14 is a bit stupid.

[MisterD]

Attacking someone to take their shit should get you 5 years... 14 is a bit stupid.

If he's stupid enough not to get the message that attacking people to steal stuff is wrong, after being banged up for it twice, then he needs to be put away for the good of society...or yeah, the bullet option.

[scissorhands]

whats the bet hes got a mental problem like autism so the shit medical system causes him to be locked him up at tax payers cost

hes obviously mentally handicapped to keep doing stupid shit?

much cheaper options to treat his antisocial behaviours

[Fergus]

whats the bet hes got a mental problem like autism so the shit medical system causes him to be locked him up at tax payers cost


That's exactly what the data shows..

You only have to look to the USA to see how badly the 3 strikes idea works;

"After nearly 20 years and over $20 billion spent, California voters have voted overwhelmingly to reform our state's draconian "three strikes" law."

I wonder how much NZ will spend before we realise it doesn't work :facepalm:

[Paul in NZ]

I wonder how much NZ will spend before we realise it doesn't work :facepalm:

I'd be interest to hear what you think does work? If hes autistic - sweet - but the vast majority of austistic people don't commit these types of crimes, I suspect if he is autistic hes just an autistic arsehole.

I think at one time or other we have all fallen victim to thieving scum. No insurance in the world makes up for the harm they do to decent people who work for their little luxuries... Fuck him would be my feeling....

[oneofsix]

That's exactly what the data shows..

You only have to look to the USA to see how badly the 3 strikes idea works;

"After nearly 20 years and over $20 billion spent, California voters have voted overwhelmingly to reform our state's draconian "three strikes" law."

I wonder how much NZ will spend before we realise it doesn't work :facepalm:

Not that simple actually because before they brought 3 strikes in they looked at the USA system and modified it, hence why we have a list of offences that count and others don't. I suspect it wont work because it doesn't address the problem, it only tries to add another layer of control.

[oneofsix]

If he's stupid enough not to get the message that attacking people to steal stuff is wrong, after being banged up for it twice, then he needs to be put away for the good of society...or yeah, the bullet option.


whats the bet hes got a mental problem like autism so the shit medical system causes him to be locked him up at tax payers cost

hes obviously mentally handicapped to keep doing stupid shit?

much cheaper options to treat his antisocial behaviours

Not autism, more likely a sociapath if he think hurting people to take their stuff just because he wants it is ok. If he is a sociapath the silver bullet might be the only cure for society, no cure for him.

[scissorhands]

hes a major dumbass with an anger problem, and a kid
probably got shit at school, for that shit name his ass family gave him
lock up the parents??

[mashman]

If he's stupid enough not to get the message that attacking people to steal stuff is wrong, after being banged up for it twice, then he needs to be put away for the good of society...or yeah, the bullet option.

Ohhhhh you're expecting people to be good because you think they should. There are much worse thieves on this planet and the fuckers have billions to prove it. This guy is just following their lead. This will carry on so long as society carry's on going the way it's going. In fact it'll likely get worse so if I were you, which thank holy jesuses sweet right butt cheek I'm not, then you better start hiding your money from the tax man, coz you're gonna have to cough some more up to pay for their keep. Have a nice day :)

[scumdog]

. There are much worse thieves on this planet and the fuckers have billions to prove it. This guy is just following their lead. )

All those millionaires out there started off beating-up people and stealing their small change?:confused:

[mashman]

All those millionaires out there started off beating-up people and stealing their small change?:confused:

It's cheaper than a loan... there was likely buggary involved too.

[Ocean1]

That's exactly what the data shows..

You only have to look to the USA to see how badly the 3 strikes idea works;

"After nearly 20 years and over $20 billion spent, California voters have voted overwhelmingly to reform our state's draconian "three strikes" law."

I wonder how much NZ will spend before we realise it doesn't work :facepalm:

Damned right, one strike is all it should take.

Always remembering of course that the first time they're caught is about the 10th time they've committed the crime, so it's more like a 10 strikes law, innit. Far too late, we need to ping them first up and deal with it before they start to believe it's OK.

Same godamned arguement with 'er indoors, she's of the "don't sweat the small stuff" camp. I'm firmly in the squash the shit outa the small stuff, 'cause it'll ALWAYS grow into big stuff camp.


And I've never yet heard a rational explanation for why they shouldn't cover the cost of their own incarceration just like their victims had to pay for the cost of their crime. Us, pay for their choices? Again? Fuck off.

[mashman]

And I've never yet heard a rational explanation for why they shouldn't cover the cost of their own incarceration just like their victims had to pay for the cost of their crime. Us, pay for their choices? Again? Fuck off.

Coz they can't afford it, quite possibly the reason for the offense, and someone has to foot the bill.

[Erelyes]

hes a major dumbass with an anger problem, and a kid
probably got shit at school, for that shit name his ass family gave him
lock up the parents??

The kid got shit from people he knew and so his rationale is to go and punch strangers in the head and steal their money?

I got shit from people at school at too, I didn't go do some fucktard shit like that.

He has had two chances to turn his life around and no glimmer of hope yet. To boot, this is just what the state could successfully convict him on - probably know he did a couple other things but can't convict.

They already get given plenty of chances in prison. Workshops, learn skills like welding, etc. I had to pay for my welding course.

OK, so maybe the argument can be made that he needs help and he has fallen through the cracks in that respect. OK, but to say that's a fault of our justice system is wrong. Don't can the 3 strikes law just cos the health system can't cope.

Prison is pretty civilized on people these days anyway. The milton hilton has underfloor heating. If he IS mentally ill then it's not like we're sending them to a Gulag, or pulling some One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest shit on him.

[Ocean1]

Coz they can't afford it, quite possibly the reason for the offense, and someone has to foot the bill.

Almost always the reason for the lag, they can't be fucked earning their own keep. Fuckem, least they can do is pay for their own lunch while they can't take someone else's.

[mashman]

Almost always the reason for the lag, they can't be fucked earning their own keep. Fuckem, least they can do is pay for their own lunch while they can't take someone else's.

True... however if they were given a free lunch they wouldn't have to take one off of someone else.

[doc]

All those millionaires out there started off beating-up people and stealing their small change?:confused:

As usual the KB'R miss the point. This oxygen thief don't get the message this time . It's over. Might take a generation of this to happen before his followers of fashion get the point.


Next step is to make the families responsible for the upbringinmg of the love children born out of wedlock. Might help with the social costs

[scumdog]

True... however if they were given a free lunch they wouldn't have to take one off of someone else.

great - let's all put our hands out for freelunches - that way none of us will ever need to rob anybody of theirs...crime will drop and all will be good.


Tuis moment...:rolleyes:

[Ocean1]

True... however if they were given a free lunch they wouldn't have to take one off of someone else.

Yeah, that's why yer average high-rollin' actual wage earner is always far more likely to thieve shit than dem fine upstandin' dole bludgers.

[mashman]

great - let's all put our hands out for freelunches - that way none of us will ever need to rob anybody of theirs...crime will drop and all will be good.

Tuis moment...:rolleyes:

Why would we all do it?


Yeah, that's why yer average high-rollin' actual wage earner is always far more likely to thieve shit than dem fine upstandin' dole bludgers.

Glad you're finally coming around... although I'd hardly call a high rollin thief average, they're usually quite smart. Much like many bludgers. Although if you;re using average in a per capita sense, then you're cheating and should be using average value.

[Smifffy]

He's already done a stretch and got looked after by the special focus programs, and gets to thuggery within 4 months of his early release on parole.

Dropkick.

[scumdog]

He's already done a stretch and got looked after by the special focus programs, and gets to thuggery within 4 months of his early release on parole.

Dropkick.

You're too kind - a bit more harshness needed!:niceone:

[doc]

Just to confuse the issue. This is from the country where 3 strikes evolved.

http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/-two-boys-suspended-for-pointing-pencils-like-guns-165811733.html

[awayatc]

Just to confuse the issue. This is from the country where 3 strikes evolved.

http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/-two-boys-suspended-for-pointing-pencils-like-guns-165811733.html

of the course the boy got punished...

In Emerika kids are to use real fire arms at school....

[MisterD]

This will carry on so long as society carry's on going the way it's going.

What, with the crime rate dropping and more people being in work?

What are the words to Kumbaya again? I seem to have forgotton, and we really shouldn't miss a chance to hold hands and sing it...

[scissorhands]

A proportion of 3 strikes incarcerations will be a waste of tax payers money. The world, his friends and past life are dragging him down.

Sending ex prisoners back to their old lives and ways is just plain stupid and encourages re-offending all the time

His life is shit, but the state spends all this money on incarceration, and none on improving his situation, thence improving our situation

its all ass about face economics, but thats not the real question!

The failing of rehabilitation actions in general, that being returning to the old ways, applies exactly the same regarding 3 strikes, and costs the tax payer in the end for them just to return to their old friends and life

[mashman]

What, with the crime rate dropping and more people being in work?

What are the words to Kumbaya again? I seem to have forgotton, and we really shouldn't miss a chance to hold hands and sing it...

Great rationale from the status quo brigade there. Do you have stats on the crime rate dropping broken down by which crimes are dropping? Could just be that they're catching less people speeding or indeed have removed that from the crime list.

If it worked then I'd go find them for ya. Just sit still and be a good boy and you'll be fine.

[Sable]

And he's Maori, surprise surprise. This arsewipe is one of those dropkicks that stand over kids and people on their way back from town in alleyways with their bros. Put him down like a vicious dog.

[MisterD]

Do you have stats on the crime rate dropping broken down by which crimes are dropping? Could just be that they're catching less people speeding or indeed have removed that from the crime list.


Homicides down 18.1%
Assaults rate down 3.4%
Sexual assaults up 1.3%
Robberies down 10.1%
Burglaries down 11.1%
Theft down 11.8%

The Sexual assaults number is reasonably likely to be due to an increase in reporting, rather than actual number of offences...

Source: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/04/2012_crime_stats.html (Yeah I know you'll not like the other KB as a source, but it indirectly the Police stats.)

[mashman]

Homicides down 18.1%
Assaults rate down 3.4%
Sexual assaults up 1.3%
Robberies down 10.1%
Burglaries down 11.1%
Theft down 11.8%

The Sexual assaults number is reasonably likely to be due to an increase in reporting, rather than actual number of offences...

Source: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/04/2012_crime_stats.html (Yeah I know you'll not like the other KB as a source, but it indirectly the Police stats.)

No worries on the stats source, I ain't no nazi.

[bluninja]

Thing is for Taranaki, the reported crime levels have dropped, but the stats for catching crims are down. seems that in Taranaki you're more likely not to get caught....I wonder if people have stopped reporting thefts and burglaries because, what's the point the police can't catch them. If they do they get to stay on homie detention just round the corner from the people they robbed.

[Delerium]

Thing is for Taranaki, the reported crime levels have dropped, but the stats for catching crims are down. seems that in Taranaki you're more likely not to get caught....I wonder if people have stopped reporting thefts and burglaries because, what's the point the police can't catch them. If they do they get to stay on homie detention just round the corner from the people they robbed.

Yes this is the case, nearly everybody I know has been burgled or had their car broken into it and not reported it. If it snot worth making an insurance claim whats the point. THe only reason they do report it when making a claim is to get a file number from the police so the claim goes through. About the only reason to bother.

[imdying]

If it snot worth making an insurance claim whats the point.They're hardly likely to increase police funding if there's no apparent reason.

[mashman]

Homicides down 18.1%
Assaults rate down 3.4%
Sexual assaults up 1.3%
Robberies down 10.1%
Burglaries down 11.1%
Theft down 11.8%

The Sexual assaults number is reasonably likely to be due to an increase in reporting, rather than actual number of offences...

Source: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/04/2012_crime_stats.html (Yeah I know you'll not like the other KB as a source, but it indirectly the Police stats.)

Interesting read. What would you spin as the reason for the drop in the overall figures?

[Smifffy]

If any other govt statistical practice is used as an example then it probably means that the criteria for recording them has been changed.

[mashman]

If any other govt statistical practice is used as an example then it probably means that the criteria for recording them has been changed.

meh... if it's down by 1% it's down by 1%, nothing changes. If it's up by 1% it's up by 1%, we get new and improved laws.

[Smifffy]

meh... if it's down by 1% it's down by 1%, nothing changes. If it's up by 1% it's up by 1%, we get new and improved laws.

So you're saying that 1% is not statistically significant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significance)?

[mashman]

So you're saying that 1% is not statistically significant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significance)?

Not at all. Especially when some of those crimes in MisterD's link were up in the 50k+ region. Take the % off of the numbers if it makes you feel more comfortable.

[Smifffy]

I'm perfectly comfortable thanks. I'm just not sure whether you are arguing with me or agreeing with me.

[mashman]

I'm perfectly comfortable thanks. I'm just not sure whether you are arguing with me or agreeing with me.

:laugh: let's go for both. but agreeing really

[awa355]

These are the sort of bastards that need locking up.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10883070

Make them serve the full sentence first time.

[caseye]

Better still drop behind the surf at Piha and don't let the guys and girls go out, problem solved!
I agree, excpet I'd give em all a lead injection, the same day but for some surfers who risked their lives they nearly lost another 2 swimmers who'd gotten into trouble because they could not get their gear to the beach in time.
Read the article for full story.
Arseholes like this don't deserve second chances or just a bit of lag.

[PrincessBandit]

great - let's all put our hands out for freelunches - that way none of us will ever need to rob anybody of theirs...crime will drop and all will be good.


Tuis moment...:rolleyes:


Why would we all do it?

Glad you're finally coming around... although I'd hardly call a high rollin thief average, they're usually quite smart. Much like many bludgers. Although if you;re using average in a per capita sense, then you're cheating and should be using average value.

mashman, is your thinking along the lines that only those who need to will be the ones putting out their hands? I'm sure the whole social welfare system was originally based on the basis of giving assistance to those who most desperately needed it; but funnily enough has snow balled to every tom dick and harry thinking that they may as well jump on the hand out band wagon as well when they don't reeeeeeaaaaaallllly need to be (but it's an excellent rort!)

Honest hardworking folk get pretty pissed off seeing bludgers getting a better deal than them and I, for one, can't help but feel a twinge of resentment that my kids have to work their arses off for their education and work training while drop kicks get it for free in the slammer etc. Can't blame ordinary Joe Taxpayer for feeling a bit hard done by and wondering if mebbe the hold-my-hand-out-and-cry-poor tactic looks just a weeny bit attractive instead of their "honest but difficult" attempt to get ahead in life. Couldn't do it myself, but there are plenty who would think "why not?"

[mashman]

mashman, is your thinking along the lines that only those who need to will be the ones putting out their hands? I'm sure the whole social welfare system was originally based on the basis of giving assistance to those who most desperately needed it; but funnily enough has snow balled to every tom dick and harry thinking that they may as well jump on the hand out band wagon as well when they don't reeeeeeaaaaaallllly need to be (but it's an excellent rort!)

Honest hardworking folk get pretty pissed off seeing bludgers getting a better deal than them and I, for one, can't help but feel a twinge of resentment that my kids have to work their arses off for their education and work training while drop kicks get it for free in the slammer etc. Can't blame ordinary Joe Taxpayer for feeling a bit hard done by and wondering if mebbe the hold-my-hand-out-and-cry-poor tactic looks just a weeny bit attractive instead of their "honest but difficult" attempt to get ahead in life. Couldn't do it myself, but there are plenty who would think "why not?"

My "thinking" is that hand-outs are inevitable where there aren't enough jobs and/or too many jobs are underpaid to allow for a medium standard of "living". These guys aren't doing anything illegal, well some are, and neither are those who cream huge profits and minimise tax liability. Essentially what is there is there and the system is setup to work that way for better or worse. WFF is a bad joke. I know of people who get it that shouldn't. They earn enough, have rentals etc... yet can write off so many deductions they fall into the bracket for assistance. The rules are fucked, but they're the rules. I have no doubt that it is needed in many many cases, but there are those, as you pointed out, that don't need the assistance. The reason it is needed is simply because the cost of living is too high to attain a reasonable standard of living... otherwise why would such a "payment" exist? Suck it up is about all we can really say.

I used to begrudge the "bludger" such a luxury to an extent. But that was selective on the person. So worked harder than I did, they just earned a little extra off the state and kept their own hours. However there were the minority who lived up to the stereotype. They exist and unless society is willing to shoot them, the system will be the system. I work hard, they claim and thieve and shag and get pissed and stoned all day, none of them are innocent, they're all scamming the system yadda yadda yadda. I've simply changed my mind about their reality. There aren't enough jobs. I'd rather the drop-kicks didn't take the few jobs that are available. You gotta give them something to stop them from taking that which others have "earned". It'll never change and it is designed not to change. Screw the little guy whilst the big guys squirrel trillions in offshore accounts. Most people refuse to accept the reality and I get why, but it's a pointless fight where the unemployed are used as a kick-me political barter chip as it only makes things worse and drivers more towards the poverty line, especially in recession. I hate you because you're on the dole and are getting free stuff and my politicians are gonna get you. Aye, I just don't see the genius in that approach anymore.

[scissorhands]

Wait for the ATM beggar to arrive. Strategically placed beside the atm, to see you enter a pin, sitting on a blanky with a hat in front.

We have them around here, they will spread. proximity to the atm is an evolutionary strength

[Smifffy]

Wait for the ATM beggar to arrive. Strategically placed beside the atm, to see you enter a pin, sitting on a blanky with a hat in front.

We have them around here, they will spread. proximity to the atm is an evolutionary strength

I always like to give them a little something if I have it. Those packets of hotel/motel soap are ideal.

[scissorhands]

humans are a virus Agent Smith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Na9-jV_OJI