View Full Version : Yamaha R150 or Hyosung GTR250?
j_redley
14th May 2013, 17:32
I'm looking at getting a new bike. Like, new from a dealer that hasn't been ridden before.
I've had my learners for some time now, and will probably for some time until I get around to doing Restricted and full licence.
My last bike (2007) was a KR 150 (2 stroke) that I used to ride around the port hills until I came undone on a corner.
The only other bike I had ridden was T.W.R's ZXR750 I think, and that was 100m up and back down the road :-p and the same deal with my bosses Ducati 1000.
So I'm considering both the Yamaha and Hyosung. Obviously the Hyo is a little larger than the yamahama but I dont mind the small bike's in terms of handling etc. My only concern is how useful it would be on the open road, as Im quite keen on doing some rides from W(h)anganui up to Taupo and down to Wellington.
So... thoughts on both. Obviously the 150 is considerably cheaper to buy too...
Brayden
14th May 2013, 17:46
I love 2 strokes. But they are shit for long distance riding bro my old rg 150 was almost sitting on power band crusing down the motorway at 110/120. Now although I hate Hyosungs, I gotta say they are growing on me as they look great and seem to be getting every year, plus the new models look really nice. If youre buying new get the hyosung not the 150
j_redley
14th May 2013, 17:48
The Yamaha R150 is a 4 stroke bike... it was my old 150 that was a 2.
For what you want to do?...the Hyosung.
I had a R150 as a loaner for a day or so and while it was fun enough through the twisties, the open road stuff was god awful. Cramped and uncomfortable come to mind.
+1 for Hyo 250.
You can belly flat lie on the gas tank and sleep on the way.
Mushu
14th May 2013, 18:41
I bought a ninja 250 brand new, and I regret it, it was a great bike, I loved owning it and would recommend you consider one (sounds like it would fit your needs) but the amount of money I lost after owning it for 6 months and selling it on seemed like a waste. I won't buy another brand new bike until I decide on something I intend to keep forever. I would recommend you decide on a bike and then go for a good, low kilometer one off trademe
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sil3nt
14th May 2013, 18:51
I bought a ninja 250 brand new, and I regret it, it was a great bike, I loved owning it and would recommend you consider one (sounds like it would fit your needs) but the amount of money I lost after owning it for 6 months and selling it on seemed like a waste. I won't buy another brand new bike until I decide on something I intend to keep forever. I would recommend you decide on a bike and then go for a good, low kilometer one off trademe
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Second hand prices are less than half that of brand new for a hyo and I highly doubt you are going to gain anything from buying a new one.
Glowerss
14th May 2013, 19:04
I bought a ninja 250 brand new, and I regret it, it was a great bike, I loved owning it and would recommend you consider one (sounds like it would fit your needs) but the amount of money I lost after owning it for 6 months and selling it on seemed like a waste. I won't buy another brand new bike until I decide on something I intend to keep forever. I would recommend you decide on a bike and then go for a good, low kilometer one off trademe
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+1 to this.
The R125 is a cheaply made underpowered pile of poo. It'll drive you bonkers within a month or two.
And the Hyosung will depreciate like a stone. http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-574484651.htm 1 year old 10k KM and it's lost 3k+ off its value already. Not to mention hyosungs are still a bit poo and boring bikes!
Look at some LAMS bikes. Something like http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-585176310.htm would be heaps nicer to ride, would keep its value far far better, and would be more reliable then the Hyosung. The $3000 difference to the Hyosung can be spent on riding gear and TRAINING!
Buying a new bike as a beginner is a waste of dosh. If that's what you REALLY want don't let anyone tell you different, but from a logical standpoint it isn't worth doing. Save your pennies for when you get your full! Invest in training instead :cool:
j_redley
14th May 2013, 19:11
+1 to this.
The R125 is a cheaply made underpowered pile of poo. It'll drive you bonkers within a month or two.
And the Hyosung will depreciate like a stone. http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-574484651.htm 1 year old 10k KM and it's lost 3k+ off its value already. Not to mention hyosungs are still a bit poo and boring bikes!
Look at some LAMS bikes. Something like http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-585176310.htm would be heaps nicer to ride, would keep its value far far better, and would be more reliable then the Hyosung. The $3000 difference to the Hyosung can be spent on riding gear and TRAINING!
Buying a new bike as a beginner is a waste of dosh. If that's what you REALLY want don't let anyone tell you different, but from a logical standpoint it isn't worth doing. Save your pennies for when you get your full! Invest in training instead :cool:
Theres a couple of things I like about the idea of a new bike. The first is the ability to finance, the second is the warrantee.
I like the look of that 500 though. It doesn't look too big and its the kind of thing I'd be interested in. Hmm, now I have to skip off and browse trademe. Are there any other LAM's bikes that people would recommend?
Erelyes
14th May 2013, 19:20
Theres a couple of things I like about the idea of a new bike. The first is the ability to finance, the second is the warrantee.
I like the look of that 500 though. It doesn't look too big and its the kind of thing I'd be interested in. Hmm, now I have to skip off and browse trademe. Are there any other LAM's bikes that people would recommend?
If you want finance and a warranty, buy a second hand from a dealer.
I purchased a 2008 Scorpio from a dealer for $3k. I didn't even bother haggling them, they said 3k, I said OK. It had 2900km or so on the clock. They are $4289 new.
The Scorpio is OK for open road. Any small single will be a bit buzzy and gutless though.
My current plan is to upgrade to a Ninja 300 after I get my restricted. By that time I should have developed a bit more skill to lower the risk of dropping it - I have already done a couple minor things at the lights (stalling etc) that 'might' have seen me drop something more than the 130kg scorpio. The Ninja is a twin-cyl with roughly twice the power (plus fairings) so will be better on the open road. I would recommend you go the same route. Admittedly the 300 may be out of your price range based on your two options thus far.
Glowerss
14th May 2013, 20:08
Theres a couple of things I like about the idea of a new bike. The first is the ability to finance, the second is the warrantee.
I like the look of that 500 though. It doesn't look too big and its the kind of thing I'd be interested in. Hmm, now I have to skip off and browse trademe. Are there any other LAM's bikes that people would recommend?
I absolutely fucking can't stand Coleman's, as they're a right bunch of twats to deal with.
But if you're insistent on buying from a dealer and have the financials to do so, Coleman's has imported some good LAMS bikes.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-576701656.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-581443110.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-576701570.htm
Those are good LAMS bikes. Still on the pricey side, but far better choices then a new hyodung which will lose all of its value.
Red Baron has this:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-310633760.htm Supposibly a good bike. I don't care much for the style (those exhausts:no: ) but apparently quite good little bikes. And it's a pretty damn good value for $3800 from a stealership. Also well worth a look.
There's also a few 250s worth considering. The hornet I've got is a dream to ride and I certainly can't see upgrading it for any of the LAMS bikes currently out there.
If you want finance and a warranty, buy a second hand from a dealer.
I purchased a 2008 Scorpio from a dealer for $3k. I didn't even bother haggling them, they said 3k, I said OK. It had 2900km or so on the clock. They are $4289 new.
The Scorpio is OK for open road. Any small single will be a bit buzzy and gutless though.
My current plan is to upgrade to a Ninja 300 after I get my restricted. By that time I should have developed a bit more skill to lower the risk of dropping it - I have already done a couple minor things at the lights (stalling etc) that 'might' have seen me drop something more than the 130kg scorpio. The Ninja is a twin-cyl with roughly twice the power (plus fairings) so will be better on the open road. I would recommend you go the same route. Admittedly the 300 may be out of your price range based on your two options thus far.
Ninja 300? BARF! :no: There are far better ways to burn $10,000 my friend.:(
I absolutely fucking can't stand Coleman's, as they're a right bunch of twats to deal with.
But if you're insistent on buying from a dealer and have the financials to do so, Coleman's has imported some good LAMS bikes.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-576701656.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-581443110.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-576701570.htm
Those are good LAMS bikes. Still on the pricey side, but far better choices then a new hyodung which will lose all of its value.
Red Baron has this:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-310633760.htm Supposibly a good bike. I don't care much for the style (those exhausts:no: ) but apparently quite good little bikes. And it's a pretty damn good value for $3800 from a stealership. Also well worth a look.
There's also a few 250s worth considering. The hornet I've got is a dream to ride and I certainly can't see upgrading it for any of the LAMS bikes currently out there.
Ninja 300? BARF! :no: There are far better ways to burn $10,000 my friend.:(Those are some cool and different bikes. Didn't even know they were still manufacturing 400s.
j_redley
14th May 2013, 20:45
I didn't realise they made 400's still either. As much as I hate the front of the Hyosung, Im also considering the full fairing 650, but then theres the Suzuki 650 as well. So many nice bikes, so little pennies.
The store here has a Hyosung 250 GT last years run out model with Tail Tidy, Tinted Screen and screamer exhaust for $6999. Im thinking this isnt a bad price.
I didn't realise they made 400's still either. As much as I hate the front of the Hyosung, Im also considering the full fairing 650, but then theres the Suzuki 650 as well. So many nice bikes, so little pennies.
The GSX650f thing. Fuck that! Near $15,000 is stupid money for that bike.
The Hyosung LAMs bike goes real good according to my brother who has ridden them, (and sells them), and are super easy to take out the restriction come full licence time.
j_redley
14th May 2013, 21:18
The GSX650f thing. Fuck that! Near $15,000 is stupid money for that bike.
The Hyosung LAMs bike goes real good according to my brother who has ridden them, (and sells them), and are super easy to take out the restriction come full licence time.
How do the cops know which have the LAMS restriction and which don't?
How do the cops know which have the LAMS restriction and which don't?They don't I guess. If it's registered LAMs legal and isn't visibly altered you should be sweet. But it has to start out as a LAMs compliant bike.
The GSXf thingie is a much bigger and costly job to de-restrict.
Glowerss
14th May 2013, 21:53
How do the cops know which have the LAMS restriction and which don't?
They're called different things on the rego labels. Hyodung gt650r vs hyodung GT650RCL.
You can ride some non-Lams bikes as they're likely to show up as being LAMS on the rego label. So unless the coppa knows bikes and digs real deep, you'd be sweet.
The Cb400 superfours didn't used to be LAMS approved, but the rego on those read CB400, which were. So while it was technically illegal, odds of you getting pulled on it were really, really, REALLY low.
Some shit like that still exists. FZR400s for example. The earlier FZR 400 TJ series are LAMS approved, but the 3tj and the RR ones are not. However, most em just read FZR400 on the rego, and TBH most cops assume anything 400 is LAMS approved anyway.
That all being said, I would guess most cops are gonna look a lot closer at higher capacity bikes then they are low ones. A 650 is going to get a lot more scrutiny then a 400 for example. So if you do get a hyosung 650 make sure it's the lams version, and if you do fuck with it, be subtle :Police:
Mushu
14th May 2013, 22:03
The ninja 300 is a complete waste of time, almost no difference to the fuel injected 250, to ride it feels like the same bike.
Go for one of the LAMS bikes, if I could do it again I'd have skipped the ninja and gone straight for the DR650 I own now, there are heaps to choose from, personally I'd stay away from the hyobags when there's so much choice available in the big jap manufacturers. Sit on a few and see what you like.
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nzspokes
14th May 2013, 22:05
Get a Hornet 250 and learn to ride it well.
McFatty1000
14th May 2013, 22:53
Get a Hornet 250 and learn to ride it well.
+1 - vtr250 or something of the like are awesome bikes.
Ender EnZed
15th May 2013, 00:45
If you want finance and a warranty, buy a second hand from a dealer.
+1
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-589401745.htm
And if you do want a full new bike warranty have a look at one of these:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-584140377.htm
j_redley
15th May 2013, 08:34
+1
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-589401745.htm
And if you do want a full new bike warranty have a look at one of these:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-584140377.htm
My brother has just got a Suzuki, and to be honest I didn't like it. It felt slightly too small and upright for my liking. I like the Honda's too, but until now I've been leaning towards a full fairing bike or at least one with a front fairing for ease on longer rides, since thats more of what I'll be looking at.
Erelyes
15th May 2013, 20:06
The ninja 300 is a complete waste of time, almost no difference to the fuel injected 250, to ride it feels like the same bike.
I'd read glowing magazine reviews, but good to hear from someone in the real world about the 300 vs the 250. How long has the 250 come in an FI variant though - a year?
Mushu
15th May 2013, 20:28
I'd read glowing magazine reviews, but good to hear from someone in the real world about the 300 vs the 250. How long has the 250 come in an FI variant though - a year?
Just came out in 2012 so I had to buy one, I've never ridden a carby one but the numbers suggest there is fuck all difference between the 2
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sil3nt
15th May 2013, 21:32
Not sure why people are bashing the ninja 300. Only thing wrong with it is the price!
Glowerss
15th May 2013, 22:57
My brother has just got a Suzuki, and to be honest I didn't like it. It felt slightly too small and upright for my liking. I like the Honda's too, but until now I've been leaning towards a full fairing bike or at least one with a front fairing for ease on longer rides, since thats more of what I'll be looking at.
Fairings on sports bikes do shit fuck all really. They're there more for looks then for any real wind protection. All they're going to do is make the bike worse in a cross wind.
If you're looking for a bike to do longer trips on, the 3 most important criteria are, how far can the blasted thing go on a tank of petrol, what are the ergonomics like (not too cramped, legs got some room to spread, not too far leaned over ect) and Seat quality.
Your ass and mental fatigue are the biggest limiting factors on longer trips. I can't imagine anyone having to stop and give their arms a rest from holding on :bleh: I did a trip down to New Plymouth from Auckers on the Hornet, and I wouldn't have noticed any difference on a ninja or a hyodung wind blast wise.
A good quality seat and a comfy bike are far more important!
Not sure why people are bashing the ninja 300. Only thing wrong with it is the price!
It's a good looking bike, I'll give it that, but most peoples problem IS the price. Selling them here for TWICE the price of that in the US is a pisstake. It's a 10k bike that has worse specs from bikes 20+ years ago. My hornet will be a better ride any day. It's an extremely beige commuter bike dressed up in a party frock. They sound Fkn awful too :laugh:
There are huge amounts of LAMS bikes out there that'll do everything better then the ninja for thousands less. All those bikes Colemans' imported would be a far nicer bike then the ninja 300s, and will have the added bonus of not being one of 10,000 riding one. The GSR400s are seriously cool bikes. The KTM 390 kicks the ninjas ass in every way as well :bleh:
nzspokes
15th May 2013, 23:05
Fairings on sports bikes do shit fuck all really. They're there more for looks then for any real wind protection. All they're going to do is make the bike worse in a cross wind.
Put a screen on your hornet and tell me it dont make a difference. The Bandit fairing worked very well.
Mushu
16th May 2013, 01:58
Fairings on sports bikes do shit fuck all really. They're there more for looks then for any real wind protection. All they're going to do is make the bike worse in a cross wind.
That's bullshit, I could quite comfortably max out my ninja (155ks) with almost no wind resistance on my body if I put my head down a bit, or stay mostly dry in the rain on my R6, neither of those things is possible on my brother in laws VTR250.
If you're looking for a bike to do longer trips on, the 3 most important criteria are, how far can the blasted thing go on a tank of petrol, what are the ergonomics like (not too cramped, legs got some room to spread, not too far leaned over ect) and Seat quality.
While I disagree that fairings do nothing I have to agree that ergonomics and fuel range are more important (you can replace a seat), neither of my bikes go as far as I'd like, but I do find both of them comfortable.
As far as the 300 ninja goes, I do find them a decent bike (I liked my ninja 250 and they are pretty much the same bike) but considering the hype and the difference in price, really not worth it when you can easily get a good second hand 250 or something bigger (from the LAMS list) for half what you'd pay for a 300, and if you don't damage it you can sell it on for almost the same amount when you upgrade.
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Brayden
16th May 2013, 10:11
Get an r1 bro theyre mean as and do sicko wheelies
Put a screen on your hornet and tell me it dont make a difference. The Bandit fairing worked very well.
I put a real small one on the CB1300 and it made all the difference, well it took the wind of my head area at least, which is what I was aiming for.
Fairings on sports bikes do shit fuck all really. They're there more for looks then for any real wind protection. All they're going to do is make the bike worse in a cross wind.
If you're looking for a bike to do longer trips on, the 3 most important criteria are, how far can the blasted thing go on a tank of petrol, what are the ergonomics like (not too cramped, legs got some room to spread, not too far leaned over ect) and Seat quality.
Your ass and mental fatigue are the biggest limiting factors on longer trips. I can't imagine anyone having to stop and give their arms a rest from holding on :bleh: I did a trip down to New Plymouth from Auckers on the Hornet, and I wouldn't have noticed any difference on a ninja or a hyodung wind blast wise.
A good quality seat and a comfy bike are far more important!What a complete load of bloody dribble. Fairings do a lot, and make a MASSIVE difference to fatigue from riding. Clearly you don't actually have any experience long distance with a fairing.
The KTM 390 kicks the ninjas ass in every way as well :bleh:I thought you said fuel range was important?
Make up your mind would ya.
Glowerss
16th May 2013, 15:14
What a complete load of bloody dribble. Fairings do a lot, and make a MASSIVE difference to fatigue from riding. Clearly you don't actually have any experience long distance with a fairing.
Yeah, maybe it's just me then :weird:. Rode a naked for 3 months, a half faired 6 months, a fully faired for 4 months and now the hornet for 6.
Did some decent length trips on all 3 types. I never noticed sweet fuckall difference between em, but clearly im not the norm! :laugh: :weird:
Yeah, maybe it's just me then :weird:. Rode a naked for 3 months, a half faired 6 months, a fully faired for 4 months and now the hornet for 6.
Did some decent length trips on all 3 types. I never noticed sweet fuckall difference between em, but clearly im not the norm! :laugh: :weird:
One notable difference with a faired bike is that the odo must be way out, because clearly I wasn't riding at that ridiculous speed on the open road.
One notable difference with a faired bike is that the odo must be way out, because clearly I wasn't riding at that ridiculous speed on the open road.FJ1200 speedo is insanely inaccurate. I could have had a cigarette if I was wearing an open face helmet, while the stupid dial said I was gonna be walking if 'five Oh' got a hold of me.
FJ1200 speedo is insanely inaccurate. I could have had a cigarette if I was wearing an open face helmet, while the stupid dial said I was gonna be walking if 'five Oh' got a hold of me.
Yip, I would have been walking also on said occasion, but I gave up smoking some years ago now.
sil3nt
16th May 2013, 21:05
The KTM 390 kicks the ninjas ass in every way as wellGood to know you have ridden a bike that hasn't been released yet!
Good to know you have ridden a bike that hasn't been released yet!
Are you sure? I thought it had.
sil3nt
16th May 2013, 21:23
Are you sure? I thought it had.KTM 200 has been out for about a year the 390 arrives in September.
KTM 200 has been out for about a year the 390 arrives in September.
Oh yeah. 200 and 690 (upgrade from the 640) are here now.
nzspokes
16th May 2013, 22:04
Yeah, maybe it's just me then :weird:. Rode a naked for 3 months, a half faired 6 months, a fully faired for 4 months and now the hornet for 6.
Did some decent length trips on all 3 types. I never noticed sweet fuckall difference between em, but clearly im not the norm! :laugh: :weird:
Your bikes with fairings were little ones. Wait untill you get on a mans size bike.
Try a small screen on your Hornet. Mine is great.
nzspokes
16th May 2013, 22:06
I put a real small one on the CB1300 and it made all the difference, well it took the wind of my head area at least, which is what I was aiming for.
I was freezing riding to work on my chest. Gone from the Honda small screen to a little bigger Givi from my CBX and it works mint.
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