Dirt bike recommendations?

[BoristheBiter]

You can do that. I don't like the idea of using water soluble stuff in my filters. Maybe you don't ride when it's wet.

You should watch the vid for no toil and I think you will be surprised.
As CM says it has an additive which you put into the water the cleans off the oil, until that time water don't do shit.

[bosslady]

Requires a detergent additive to release the "oil" so no problem getting the filter wet, actually if I have wet the filter, the least of my worries is whether there is any filter oil left in it. I like No Toil as it's easy on me (no petrol) and the filter elements last longer (quite a few of them carry warnings about petrol breaking down the glue that holds the filter together).

Bosslady, enjoy The Sandpit, it's a great venue and lots of different trails, should keep you entertained for days! If you enjoy it, have a look at getting some training there from Tony (endless dirtbiking) you will learn a lot and it will make your transition to off road a lot easier.

Thanks :)

I think I will have to save for some training now, this has all made me very poor LOL

[bosslady]

I think I will wash my bike tonight after I go to cycletreads and get some air filter cleaning stuff and oil also have to go to the suzuki shop cause I got the wrong lightbulb, grr second time it's blown in almost as many months. Then take some pictures and put them in my album!

[Grashopper]

Congrats to your new bike. :2thumbsup Did I miss you posting pics of it, yet?

[bosslady]

Congrats to your new bike. :2thumbsup Did I miss you posting pics of it, yet? No I haven't posted any pics yet. This is the bike here http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-588929977.htm although the pictures are rubbish. Will try and do some tonight!

[BoristheBiter]

I think I will wash my bike tonight after I go to cycletreads and get some air filter cleaning stuff and oil also have to go to the suzuki shop cause I got the wrong lightbulb, grr second time it's blown in almost as many months. Then take some pictures and put them in my album!

for your dirt bike get Motormuk for cleaning, great stuff, no hard work. you also get a discount if you keep the sticker from the sandpit and take it to Spectrum Motorcycles ($29 for 5L)
You should only need to change the oil every 20-50hrs depending on how you ride it. just run it up to temp and take the dipstick out and see how dirty it is. I normally change the other half's every 30hrs.

[bosslady]

for your dirt bike get Motormuk for cleaning, great stuff, no hard work. you also get a discount if you keep the sticker from the sandpit and take it to Spectrum Motorcycles ($29 for 5L)
You should only need to change the oil every 20-50hrs depending on how you ride it. just run it up to temp and take the dipstick out and see how dirty it is. I normally change the other half's every 30hrs.
Actually thats a good point - how do most people estimate their hours?

[leathel]

Actually thats a good point - how do most people estimate their hours?

you can get hour meters.... rest just guess and usually change it earlier than required

[BoristheBiter]

Actually thats a good point - how do most people estimate their hours?

I have an hour meter but before i did i would know how many rides i have been on and have an average of hours per ride and check the condition of the oil.

[bosslady]

so I cleaned the filter, it's just drying before I oil it. Looked pretty dirty in there? is that normal? after I took the air filter out the case had like 1-2 cm thick layer of sand at the bottom?

[pete-blen]

thats not been cleaned for a while.... if ever..
might pay to check the tappets /oil & filter change
i would say mantainace wasn't high on his list..

[bosslady]

thats not been cleaned for a while.... if ever..
might pay to check the tappets /oil & filter change
i would say mantainace wasn't high on his list..

What's a tappet? Dumb. Said it had had a service last year and had only been used a few times since. Guess that mess looks like it was created from more than a few rides?

[nzspokes]

What's a tappet? Dumb. Said it had had a service last year and had only been used a few times since. Guess that mess looks like it was created from more than a few rides?

A couple of hours work and a few beers would knock off a motor service on it. Another couple hours for a fork service and another box.

[pete-blen]

What's a tappet? Dumb.

tappet or tappet clearance...
its a small setable gap between the cam or rocker arm & the valves..
it's there to let the metal exspand when it gets hot so the valves are not held open...
It's the ticking noise yer hear comeing from the top of the motor at idle...

[bosslady]

A couple of hours work and a few beers would knock off a motor service on it. Another couple hours for a fork service and another box.

I'm not sure what you're saying..

[leathel]

I would have said its been a while since its clean for sure.... but in Woodhill its not unusual to get sand in the box, Going by the seat wear etc its not had much use so it may well be its not been done by the last owner.

Your tappets are not loose and on the old school engine like that (230 is based on the old 200) they should be fine as they don't wear like the CRF250...... but it wouldn't hurt to check the clearance, oil and filter change is always good on a new bike so you know exactly when it was done :)

[bosslady]

I'll have to read my manual in bed tonight so I can understand what's being said, lol. For those who use no toil cleaner, how much powder vs. litres of water do u use?

[leathel]

clearance check is for a person who has done it before.... its easy to get it wrong and make it worse ;)

[nzspokes]

I'm not sure what you're saying..

A manual, a few beers and some basic tools so you can do it yourself.

[unstuck]

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[unstuck]

clearance check is for a person who has done it before.... its easy to get it wrong and make it worse ;)

So how do people learn, I would suggest getting someone who knows how to do it to show YOU how to do it, and by that I mean you would be the one getting dirty and they would be watching over your shoulder.:Punk:

[BoristheBiter]

so I cleaned the filter, it's just drying before I oil it. Looked pretty dirty in there? is that normal? after I took the air filter out the case had like 1-2 cm thick layer of sand at the bottom?

OH DEAR GOD.

That poor bike, doesn't look like that filter has been off and cleaned.............ever.:facepalm:
Unless it has been out for a couple of thousand km's ride in the Sahara it should never look like that.
I would definitely be changing the oil and checking the valve clearance if that is what the last owners maintenance schedule is like.
As leathel and unstuck say find someone that can show you.

There is a drain hole in the lower middle of the air box, make sure that is not blocked.
I think you might find the levers and barkbuster's are pointing a bit far down but you will find what position suits you after a good ride.

Good luck for tomorrow.

[bosslady]

OH DEAR GOD.

That poor bike, doesn't look like that filter has been off and cleaned.............ever.:facepalm:
Unless it has been out for a couple of thousand km's ride in the Sahara it should never look like that.
I would definitely be changing the oil and checking the valve clearance if that is what the last owners maintenance schedule is like.
As leathel and unstuck say find someone that can show you.

There is a drain hole in the lower middle of the air box, make sure that is not blocked.
I think you might find the levers and barkbuster's are pointing a bit far down but you will find what position suits you after a good ride.

Good luck for tomorrow.

Drain hole lower middle air box... will have a look when I get home. Hey good thing I'm not too scared to get my hands dirty cause there sure as hell isn't anyone who would do this work for me :lol:

[BoristheBiter]

Drain hole lower middle air box... will have a look when I get home. Hey good thing I'm not too scared to get my hands dirty cause there sure as hell isn't anyone who would do this work for me :lol:

There should be a little bit of hose hanging out the bottom so is easy to find.

[leathel]

So how do people learn, I would suggest getting someone who knows how to do it to show YOU how to do it, and by that I mean you would be the one getting dirty and they would be watching over your shoulder.:Punk:

I wasn't saying don't be there just don't do it on your own, I am sure she wouldn't try without help. Even after being shown she may need help/ guidence to do it on her own.

I have seen some pretty badly done adjustments when I worked as a bike mechanic.... way way loose when they were set in the wrong spot/stroke

If I lived closer I would pop around and do it.... still may if I am up that way but I wont be anytime soon.

[unstuck]

Ok, Im hearing ya. I think most people learn by doing, rather than listening to someone tell them how to do it. But as you say, not advisible to attempt on your own unless you are mechanically gifted.:niceone: Last week a mate of mine got given a coup[le of big old pine trees for firewood, but he had to cut them down. The farmers house was fairly close on one side and implement sheds on the other, so he asked me to come out and give him a hand as he did not feel quite confident doing them on his own(and he has dropped a few trees in his time). He thought I would be doing the felling, but I just stayed over his shoulder and guided him through it, no worries. He would of learned fuck all if I would of just felled them myself, IMO.:2thumbsup

[buffstar]

So how do people learn, I would suggest getting someone who knows how to do it to show YOU how to do it, and by that I mean you would be the one getting dirty and they would be watching over your shoulder.:Punk:

+1 :yes:

apart from piston :oi-grr: that's my boys job

[unstuck]

+1 :yes:

apart from piston :oi-grr: that's my boys job

Every garage needs a greasemonkey(slave).:Punk:

[bosslady]

There should be a little bit of hose hanging out the bottom so is easy to find.

you guessed right. is now unblocked

[leathel]

you guessed right. is now unblocked

Good to be unblocked for those days crossing deep creeks....water has to get out somewhere :D

Maratoto is the last time I got close to drowning a bike...mate dropped his in the crossing and did... got it going after some work :)

[bosslady]

Filter oiled and greased and housing clean now. Is it just me? cause it seemed to sound better when idling and was easier to start, didn't stall when I pulled the clutch out (down?) and took my hand off the throttle.

[unstuck]

you should notice the difference, the bike will be able to get the correct amount of air now, and not giving the engine such a rich mixture. Good on ya, baby step.:headbang::headbang:

[ktm84mxc]

If that's what the air box was like how are the sprockets and chain? Suspect its had little in regular maintenance and been treated like a farm bike.

[leathel]

If that's what the air box was like how are the sprockets and chain? Suspect its had little in regular maintenance and been treated like a farm bike.

Sprockets and chain have been done :)

the last owner had no real idea about bikes I would have said and did the visible bits and oil..... but that's all by the looks.

[BoristheBiter]

Filter oiled and greased and housing clean now. Is it just me? cause it seemed to sound better when idling and was easier to start, didn't stall when I pulled the clutch out (down?) and took my hand off the throttle.

Fantastic the way it should be.

Hope you are out there having fun. the weather sure stayed good for ya.

[bosslady]

Man that was really hard work today! Must have dropped the bike like ten times and I had to keep stopping to rest, Christ I'm unfit! my arms and legs are aching, lol. Only hurt my leg, nice big bump on there and other leg I burnt a hole through my pants when I dropped the bike and it fell on me. I seriously suck at this dirt biking thingy, hope I'll get better! I have some video footage I'll try and put it up tonight.

[nzspokes]

Yup its hard work. And fun. I normally end up asleep on the couch after a trail ride while my girl makes dinner.

Sand is hard work to ride in but it will get ya fit.

[Ocean1]

Man that was really hard work today! Must have dropped the bike like ten times and I had to keep stopping to rest, Christ I'm unfit! my arms and legs are aching, lol. Only hurt my leg, nice big bump on there and other leg I burnt a hole through my pants when I dropped the bike and it fell on me. I seriously suck at this dirt biking thingy, hope I'll get better! I have some video footage I'll try and put it up tonight.

It'll get easier.

Are you starting to see why some people consider the dirt's the only place to learn to ride?

[unstuck]

Can be tough out there alright, but you will get fit in no time if you keep at it. And you get to learn a whole heap of stuff that will be useful on the road.:2thumbsup

[nzspokes]

My first ride was around a mates kiwifruit orchid and we ended up having races. Was a great way to start out. We would do 10 laps then lay down under a tree........

Woodhill would be a hard place to start out.

[leathel]

Until you are comfortable on the bike it is hard work..... once you are comfortable you will start pushing so you will still wear yourself out. Fun rides over farms are easier but it all depends on how hard you push it :)

I have sorted a smaller bike for Rose to learn on so as soon as my bike is done we will be doing a farm fun ride ;)

Tow bar arrived this morning too :)

[sketch]

Man that was really hard work today! Must have dropped the bike like ten times and I had to keep stopping to rest, Christ I'm unfit! my arms and legs are aching, lol. Only hurt my leg, nice big bump on there and other leg I burnt a hole through my pants when I dropped the bike and it fell on me. I seriously suck at this dirt biking thingy, hope I'll get better! I have some video footage I'll try and put it up tonight.

Hahaha sounds like a hard day. I gotta sweet pit bike here that might be better for you. I found it wasnt till id been on a road bike getting use to having to lean before I got the hang of carrying a bit of pace on the dirt. Everyone's s different tho and it does get easier the more you keep at it just dont make my mistake and try and master flying before you master being on the ground. Dislocating my shoulder was the worst pain iv even gone through and before you start with the "try childbirth" routine, they gave me a plethora of drugs that are commonly used in childbirth and none of them touched the sides. In the end they knocked me out cos I was screaming down the whole hospital. In a manly grunting type scream of course

[nzspokes]

So wheres the Vid?

[BoristheBiter]

Man that was really hard work today! Must have dropped the bike like ten times and I had to keep stopping to rest, Christ I'm unfit! my arms and legs are aching, lol. Only hurt my leg, nice big bump on there and other leg I burnt a hole through my pants when I dropped the bike and it fell on me. I seriously suck at this dirt biking thingy, hope I'll get better! I have some video footage I'll try and put it up tonight.

Sounds like you had a great day.

Nothing harder than being on sand, never mind learning on it but it does get easier.

[bosslady]

Yup its hard work. And fun. I normally end up asleep on the couch after a trail ride while my girl makes dinner.

Sand is hard work to ride in but it will get ya fit. yea I'm pretty knackered, lucky I didn't have to cook dinner either!


It'll get easier.

Are you starting to see why some people consider the dirt's the only place to learn to ride? yup, feel like I've gone completely backwards. Apart from knowing how to operate a clutch, gears and throttle I think my experience gained thus far on a road bike counts for absolutely nothing on a dirt bike, that's how it feels anyway.


Can be tough out there alright, but you will get fit in no time if you keep at it. And you get to learn a whole heap of stuff that will be useful on the road.:2thumbsupso..... so.... unfit I was literally panting!


My first ride was around a mates kiwifruit orchid and we ended up having races. Was a great way to start out. We would do 10 laps then lay down under a tree........

Woodhill would be a hard place to start out.
Everybody says sand is the hardest surface to ride on etc. I wouldn't have anything to compare it to!


Feels like learning to ride a (road) bike for the first time again. Couldn't fathom how anyone could enjoy this! BUT that's exactly what happened when I first started road riding, regretted getting a bike straight away! hopefully things will turn around and I won't be so unco..

[bosslady]

Until you are comfortable on the bike it is hard work..... once you are comfortable you will start pushing so you will still wear yourself out. Fun rides over farms are easier but it all depends on how hard you push it :)

I have sorted a smaller bike for Rose to learn on so as soon as my bike is done we will be doing a farm fun ride ;)

Tow bar arrived this morning too :)Can I come on a farm fun ride with you when you do it?


Hahaha sounds like a hard day. I gotta sweet pit bike here that might be better for you. I found it wasnt till id been on a road bike getting use to having to lean before I got the hang of carrying a bit of pace on the dirt. Everyone's s different tho and it does get easier the more you keep at it just dont make my mistake and try and master flying before you master being on the ground. Dislocating my shoulder was the worst pain iv even gone through and before you start with the "try childbirth" routine, they gave me a plethora of drugs that are commonly used in childbirth and none of them touched the sides. In the end they knocked me out cos I was screaming down the whole hospital. In a manly grunting type scream of courseyea I mastered the art of being on the ground... literally!!


So wheres the Vid?uploading as we speak then I'm gonna put them together so they make one video


Sounds like you had a great day.

Nothing harder than being on sand, never mind learning on it but it does get easier.

Good lord I hope so!

[unstuck]

There have been times( some fairly recently) where I have hurled my helmet into the scrub and ranted and raved and wondered why the fuck I bother with the stupid pieces of shit, and given the bike a kick and vowed never to ride again. But later they are usually the best trips in the end somehow. You gotta be a bit nutty to enjoy offroad riding.:wacko:

[sketch]

There have been times( some fairly recently) where I have hurled my helmet into the scrub and ranted and raved and wondered why the fuck I bother with the stupid pieces of shit, and given the bike a kick and vowed never to ride again. But later they are usually the best trips in the end somehow. You gotta be a bit nutty to enjoy offroad riding.:wacko:

Agreed. And its those bits that beat you the first time you go there that you take your mates to and watch them fail and bail one you have mastered them.

[leathel]

Can I come on a farm fun ride with you when you do it?




Yup of coarse you are welcome, will let you know ahead of time so we can do it on a time you are free, my brother and his kids will likely be there too, be more than one time, will keep heading out until Rose is on the road :)

[nzspokes]

A farm ride is way easier and great fun. I enjoy them. Done a few now. But you will learn skills on sand. I enjoy Thundercross Park also, more open and dirt. B trail is good fun even when your faster.

Dont worry, it may hurt a bit today. But it will hurt more tomorrow. :killingme

[bosslady]

Lol thanks guys.

I have uploaded the videos to youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiXI-fVSLKA

[nzspokes]

Thundercross park http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAtDgOegOUk

[bosslady]

oh and clearly I'm the one in the footage falling over, not the person wearing the camera and staying upright! it's not a very good video anyway

[sketch]

Try to carry more pace, and dont argue with your bike just look where you wana go and back yourself, and what ever you do dont look where you dont wana go..... when you see those dirty rutts try to imagine them yelling " dont look at me"

[bosslady]

Try to carry more pace, and dont argue with your bike just look where you wana go and back yourself, and what ever you do dont look where you dont wana go..... when you see those dirty rutts try to imagine them yelling " dont look at me"

I just had no idea wtf to do, I tried to go faster but it didn't help much if at all.

[sketch]

I just had no idea wtf to do, I tried to go faster but it didn't help much if at all.

Every1 is different..... I cant go down hills it scares the shit outa me, mate of mine flies down hills but cant keep up with me up the nastiest hill climbs, whearas when I see a hill climb I just find my throttle full open without even thinking bout it, youl get there garenteed. Anyway rugbys on.......

[Tony.OK]

I just had no idea wtf to do, I tried to go faster but it didn't help much if at all.

Takes time, such a different animal to learn than road riding, but just keep putting in the time and the nerves won't control your ride after time.

[bosslady]

Every1 is different..... I cant go down hills it scares the shit outa me, mate of mine flies down hills but cant keep up with me up the nastiest hill climbs, whearas when I see a hill climb I just find my throttle full open without even thinking bout it, youl get there garenteed. Anyway rugbys on.......

not that you can tell very well but at one point I came to go down a decent hill and panicked and went down so fast, I almost saved it but fell when I hit the bottom, lol.

[nzspokes]

I find the blue trails easier. Not cut up like the yellow. But your closer to trees.

[bosslady]

I find the blue trails easier. Not cut up like the yellow. But your closer to trees.

it's funny you say that, I got separated from my riding buddy for awhile and somehow ended up on the blue track and I was like how the feck am I gonna get out of here, lol. Was alone and stressed as! eventually just got up to 2nd only, stood on the pegs and made my way out, phew! it did seem easier than the yellow tracks

[leathel]

keep those feet on the pegs ..... especially when you have a bit of pace on as if you try to use them you WILL end up n the ground as you are moving to fast to support yourself with hem, easy to damage to yourself that way! Its not a motor cross track so feet should be on the pegs until you stop, Putting feet down while trying to move also takes weight of the rear wheel so you loose traction.... It takes time but that's what you want to try and do

Yes and don't look at what you want to avoid, you will go where you look, as you approach each top spot look for the best way and stay looking at those on your way through.

You will feel those muscles tomorrow for sure

[bosslady]

keep those feet on the pegs ..... especially when you have a bit of pace on as if you try to use them you WILL end up n the ground as you are moving to fast to support yourself with hem, easy to damage to yourself that way! Its not a motor cross track so feet should be on the pegs until you stop, Putting feet down while trying to move also takes weight of the rear wheel so you loose traction.... It takes time but that's what you want to try and do

Yes and don't look at what you want to avoid, you will go where you look, as you approach each top spot look for the best way and stay looking at those on your way through.

You will feel those muscles tomorrow for sure

I did notice if I was sitting the back kept washing out and I was all over the show but when I was standing it was much Better. Except when out on the sand with the deepish (to me) rutts it felt like it didn't matter if I was standing or sitting it was all shit. Maybe I was just going to slow eh? I suckKkkkk

[leathel]

yes it's funny you say that because I did notice if I was sitting the back kept washing out and I was all over the show but when I was standing it was much Better. Except when out on the sand with the deepish (to me) rutts it felt like it didn't matter if I was standing or sitting it was all shit. Maybe I was just going to slow eh?

ruts standing is good if you look where you want to be... you can weight the side of the bike that you want to head to..... so often you can ride the edge of a rut if you have all of your weight on the side you want run down or to climb out of. I does take time and the trap is looking at the ones you want to avoid as you end up in them!

Beaten sand trails are a bastard at times ... especially when they are soft.

[sketch]

I did notice if I was sitting the back kept washing out and I was all over the show but when I was standing it was much Better. Except when out on the sand with the deepish (to me) rutts it felt like it didn't matter if I was standing or sitting it was all shit. Maybe I was just going to slow eh? I suckKkkkk

Pfft like hell you do..... not many birds willing to go and give it a go. You should be well proud of yourself blady, alot of blokes to pussy to take the dirt track too for that matter. Its a ruff and rugged road and the fact your out giving it a go speaks volumes. Ul c, even on your next ride I garentee you will be more comfortable

[unstuck]

:lol: I hope you dont ride the ginny down the road with your legs out like that.:lol: Well done.:2thumbsup

[Madness]

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[unstuck]

IOU X 2 :Punk::Punk::Punk:

[nerrrd]

Got nothing useful to add 'cos I'm one of them non-dirt-riding pussies, so...what everyone else said.

(FWIW I remember when I first started learning to ski it was a nightmare until I got the confidence to let my weight go in the right direction ie downhill - which seemed like a crazy idea at first - then it all clicked into place. Took a while, though, and probably not relevant...)

[noobi]

I did notice if I was sitting the back kept washing out and I was all over the show but when I was standing it was much Better. Except when out on the sand with the deepish (to me) rutts it felt like it didn't matter if I was standing or sitting it was all shit. Maybe I was just going to slow eh? I suckKkkkk

Nothing that is worth being good at, is easy.
After 5+ years of only off road riding, I consider myself capable, not good.
If you are serious about off road riding, get lessons. Seriously, being told and shown how to do something in person is soo much easier than working it out by trial and error.

[leathel]

Nothing that is worth being good at, is easy.
After 5+ years of only off road riding, I consider myself capable, not good.
If you are serious about off road riding, get lessons. Seriously, being told and shown how to do something in person is soo much easier than working it out by trial and error.

while you are right lessons will definitely help..... but its not so life and death like the road, If you have to pay for the lessons and are broke they can wait.... ride with some experienced riders will help.....

[nzspokes]

Nothing that is worth being good at, is easy.
After 5+ years of only off road riding, I consider myself capable, not good.
If you are serious about off road riding, get lessons. Seriously, being told and shown how to do something in person is soo much easier than working it out by trial and error.

Pussy, Much more fun to hit trees at speed. :facepalm:

Maybe a lesson wouldnt hurt my riding.....

[unstuck]

Pussy, Much more fun to hit trees at speed. :facepalm:

Maybe a lesson wouldnt hurt my riding.....

My brother hit a tree at speed, the lesson hurt his riding, his pride and his bike.:yes: Was funny as hell to watch though.:devil2:

[bosslady]

Pfft like hell you do..... not many birds willing to go and give it a go. You should be well proud of yourself blady, alot of blokes to pussy to take the dirt track too for that matter. Its a ruff and rugged road and the fact your out giving it a go speaks volumes. Ul c, even on your next ride I garentee you will be more comfortable
You're very sweet sketch :P there's heaps of girls that dirt bike though and they're good haha. I do hope next time is better and the time after that, and that...

:lol: I hope you dont ride the ginny down the road with your legs out like that.:lol: Well done.:2thumbsupActually yes I do, why? is that not normal? :P because I kept continuously dumping my bike the dude I went with said to put my feet out so I could stop myself when I was starting to fall and cause I was going so slow! but he's an mx rider not a trail rider so I guess that's normal for him.


Nothing that is worth being good at, is easy.
After 5+ years of only off road riding, I consider myself capable, not good.
If you are serious about off road riding, get lessons. Seriously, being told and shown how to do something in person is soo much easier than working it out by trial and error. my flat mate now reckons he is gonna get a dirt bike, I think he's serious, lol. So we will likely get lessons together hopefully soon. Otherwise maybe I'll just get some on my own. The sandpit website says lessons are 65 so that's not too bad.



I must have woken up 3 or 4 times last night on account of the pain in my muscles and knocking the big bruise/lump on my leg, put me down for a nana nap later today thanks!

[unstuck]

Soft sand riding you do have to use your legs as outriggers sometimes for stability, but once you get whacked on the shins or ankles a few times you will learn to keep them tucked in.:yes:

[nzspokes]

Next time I head to Thundercross I will let you know and you can tag along if ya want. Easier riding and fun.

Straight after you finish a ride try to get some protein to help recover faster, bicycle shops sell some products which are great for this. I use a athlete supplement while riding to help with dehydration. Are you using a camelback? I always do and am surprised how quickly 2lt of fluid goes. I used to get headaches riding before I did.

[nzspokes]

Soft sand riding you do have to use your legs as outriggers sometimes for stability, but once you get whacked on the shins or ankles a few times you will learn to keep them tucked in.:yes:

Pin it to win it.

[BoristheBiter]

I just had no idea wtf to do, I tried to go faster but it didn't help much if at all.

For a first timer it looked like you were doing well.

Sand is a bitch, you need speed to keep the front up and out of the soft stuff and when learning, speed is the last thing on your mind and slowing down for the corners makes the front drop loosing more speed than you think.

The main parts of dirt are feet on pegs, knees and elbows slightly bent, and your head should be inline with your bars when standing.
When turning, weight the outside peg and move your weight over the bike (twisting to look at where you are going) and lean the bike over and accelerate out. (I hope this made sense)

Yes do get lessons from a good rider if you can afford them, i rode for 2 years all wrong and sometimes it is had to stop what is already learnt.

I have had coaching from Chris Birch twice now it it has made such a difference, the first one on one then as a whole group.
http://www.chrisbirch.co.nz/coaching
Power adventures also do a ladies only coaching that are supposed to be good.

Have a look through youtube as there are shit loads of training vids.

[flyingcr250]

Sand is a bitch, you need speed to keep the front up and out of the soft stuff and when learning, speed is the last thing on your mind and slowing down for the corners makes the front drop loosing more speed than you think.

yep, its a bit of a catch 22 when youre riding in the deep sand, the faster you go the easier it is.

[Maha]

Got nothing useful to add 'cos I'm one of them non-dirt-riding pussies, so...what everyone else said.

(FWIW I remember when I first started learning to ski it was a nightmare until I got the confidence to let my weight go in the right direction ie downhill - which seemed like a crazy idea at first - then it all clicked into place. Took a while, though, and probably not relevant...)

I used to take the CB1300 off road when I could...can't tell it's the CB but it is, and you can't see the advancing launch pad either but it's there....;)

[unstuck]

I used to take the CB1300 off road when I could...can't tell it's the CB but it is, and you can't see the advancing launch pad either but it's there....;)

Thats not at the top of the Leigh hill is it Maha? Looks like that bit of road that heads back towards the dome forest.

[bosslady]

Next time I head to Thundercross I will let you know and you can tag along if ya want. Easier riding and fun.

Straight after you finish a ride try to get some protein to help recover faster, bicycle shops sell some products which are great for this. I use a athlete supplement while riding to help with dehydration. Are you using a camelback? I always do and am surprised how quickly 2lt of fluid goes. I used to get headaches riding before I did.sounds good, let me know :) seems women are free so that's good. I don't have a camelback but I stopped fairly frequently back at the car and had some powerade. Point noted about protein.


For a first timer it looked like you were doing well.

Sand is a bitch, you need speed to keep the front up and out of the soft stuff and when learning, speed is the last thing on your mind and slowing down for the corners makes the front drop loosing more speed than you think.

The main parts of dirt are feet on pegs, knees and elbows slightly bent, and your head should be inline with your bars when standing.
When turning, weight the outside peg and move your weight over the bike (twisting to look at where you are going) and lean the bike over and accelerate out. (I hope this made sense)

Yes do get lessons from a good rider if you can afford them, i rode for 2 years all wrong and sometimes it is had to stop what is already learnt.

I have had coaching from Chris Birch twice now it it has made such a difference, the first one on one then as a whole group.
http://www.chrisbirch.co.nz/coaching
Power adventures also do a ladies only coaching that are supposed to be good.

Have a look through youtube as there are shit loads of training vids.
great advice thank you!

[Maha]

Thats not at the top of the Leigh hill is it Maha? Looks like that bit of road that heads back towards the dome forest.

No Lottin Point around the East Cape. Rode through/over a farm race, cattle stops, exposed tree roots and the track down to the bottom got tighter, once committed, there was no turning back.
Though we have the GN's down that Pakiri Hill road in the rain/sludge.

[unstuck]

No Lottin Point around the East Cape. Though we have the GN's down that Pakiri Hill road in the rain/sludge.

Thats an awesome road on a XR600, From Leigh to Pakiri. Well it used to be before Auckland moved up there. 7 min from the chippy at Leigh to home, which was about a k and a half past the hall.:pinch:

[DJSin]

Great stuff Bosslady. You don't suck at all. You've got a bike, seem to be doing a lot of the maintenance, and are getting out there and riding it. Awesome!!!

Everyone was a beginner at some stage. Hang in there and you'll love it in no time.

BTW I see you went for the tucked in look :D

[bosslady]

Great stuff Bosslady. You don't suck at all. You've got a bike, seem to be doing a lot of the maintenance, and are getting out there and riding it. Awesome!!!

Everyone was a beginner at some stage. Hang in there and you'll love it in no time.

BTW I see you went for the tucked in look :D

yes someone told me newbs leave theirs out, lol

[motor_mayhem]

keep those feet on the pegs ..... especially when you have a bit of pace on as if you try to use them you WILL end up n the ground as you are moving to fast to support yourself with hem, easy to damage to yourself that way! Its not a motor cross track so feet should be on the pegs until you stop, Putting feet down while trying to move also takes weight of the rear wheel so you loose traction.... It takes time but that's what you want to try and do


Wouldn't agree with that. The biggest jump I ever made in my ability on a bike was by riding at a motocross track then transferring those skills onto trail riding. Motocrossers set out to carry as much speed as possible around the corners so they can be fast around the track but as a trail rider carrying speed and/or momentum around the corner can help you get through the next rutty section, hill climb or mud bog.

[Ocean1]

Wouldn't agree with that. The biggest jump I ever made in my ability on a bike was by riding at a motocross track then transferring those skills onto trail riding. Motocrossers set out to carry as much speed as possible around the corners so they can be fast around the track but as a trail rider carrying speed and/or momentum around the corner can help you get through the next rutty section, hill climb or mud bog.

Better tell this dude he's got it all wrong...

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[Ktmboy]

I saw you out there yesterday and you seemed to be going ok for someone on L plates. Its like snow skiing. The first couple of days you really hate it, cold , wet , sore and totally out of your depth. It does get easier. Don't let the "sand" be an issue and get to you.

If I'm out there next time you are I'll help you out a bit if I can. If you get the basics right from the start them the rest will fall into place.
So far there has been a lot said by the rest on here and most of what they are saying is correct. Only problem is you now have about 100x things to remember :facepalm:.
Narrow a couple of basics down and get them right, then go to the next step from there. The human brain can only take so much info and act on it correctly.

Couple of things that I did notice...
- Eyes up/ head up,. You seemed to be looking down at the front wheel. There are no ruts on the yellow sand tracks you were on...its sand,. They might look like ruts but if you ride right over them they just cease to exist. Look well in front to where you want to go and not at the imaginary rut at your front wheel. Look to the next corner as your perifial vision will take into account all the humps, bumps and roots etc that you are about to ride over
- Bend your knees a bit more and transfer your wait to the rear(you seemed to be too far over the bars). Talking of rear, by moving your bum back you are taking wait off the front wheel therefore its not going to sledge all over the place. I know you are quite tall so it is harder for you on a 3/4 size bike.
- Elbows up and just relax a bit. Enjoy the ride and make it fun.
- Favourite saying " Sit down to get tired and stand up for a rest" Mind f#@K I know.

[bosslady]

I saw you out there yesterday and you seemed to be going ok for someone on L plates. Its like snow skiing. The first couple of days you really hate it, cold , wet , sore and totally out of your depth. It does get easier. Don't let the "sand" be an issue and get to you.

If I'm out there next time you are I'll help you out a bit if I can. If you get the basics right from the start them the rest will fall into place.
So far there has been a lot said by the rest on here and most of what they are saying is correct. Only problem is you now have about 100x things to remember :facepalm:.
Narrow a couple of basics down and get them right, then go to the next step from there. The human brain can only take so much info and act on it correctly.

Couple of things that I did notice...
- Eyes up/ head up,. You seemed to be looking down at the front wheel. There are no ruts on the yellow sand tracks you were on...its sand,. They might look like ruts but if you ride right over them they just cease to exist. Look well in front to where you want to go and not at the imaginary rut at your front wheel. Look to the next corner as your perifial vision will take into account all the humps, bumps and roots etc that you are about to ride over
- Bend your knees a bit more and transfer your wait to the rear(you seemed to be too far over the bars). Talking of rear, by moving your bum back you are taking wait off the front wheel therefore its not going to sledge all over the place. I know you are quite tall so it is harder for you on a 3/4 size bike.
- Elbows up and just relax a bit. Enjoy the ride and make it fun.
- Favourite saying " Sit down to get tired and stand up for a rest" Mind f#@K I know.

Everything wrong, nothing right... I had absolutely no direction or help whatsoever really, not even told how to stand or when to, basically no idea what to do sigh... and told to just get on it and go, i thought the person i was with was going to teach me, never mind... felt quite out of my depth and stressed out especially when I got lost! feel quite disheartened now but I think that's the exhaustion, body ache and random cold that turned up talking. Ah well.

[nzspokes]

Everything wrong, nothing right... I had absolutely no direction or help whatsoever really, not even told how to stand or when to, basically no idea what to do sigh... and told to just get on it and go, i thought the person i was with was going to teach me, never mind... felt quite out of my depth and stressed out especially when I got lost! feel quite disheartened now but I think that's the exhaustion, body ache and random cold that turned up talking. Ah well.

My first hour up there all I wanted to do was go home. But I couldnt find the car. :facepalm:

They got some advice from other riders and it got better.

Listen to ktmboy, hes knows a thing or two about Woodhill.

[leathel]

Everything wrong, nothing right... I had absolutely no direction or help whatsoever really, not even told how to stand or when to, basically no idea what to do sigh... and told to just get on it and go, i thought the person i was with was going to teach me, never mind... felt quite out of my depth and stressed out especially when I got lost! feel quite disheartened now but I think that's the exhaustion, body ache and random cold that turned up talking. Ah well.


My Bro probably has more skills info if you want I could get him to search them out it you want more reading....... If we could tee a ride with him he will point out things if you wanted.

[leathel]

Wouldn't agree with that. The biggest jump I ever made in my ability on a bike was by riding at a motocross track then transferring those skills onto trail riding. Motocrossers set out to carry as much speed as possible around the corners so they can be fast around the track but as a trail rider carrying speed and/or momentum around the corner can help you get through the next rutty section, hill climb or mud bog.

May have worked for you but you need to learn to ride feet on pegs first!

Then for me its not about hitting things at speed but picking your line.....and keeping the feet on the pegs to keep the traction going down and using the weight on the pegs to steer the bike as well, I don't ride to race but to have fun and motocross doesn't appeal to me getting up hills or through bogs I have never had a problem with :)

[pete-blen]

It sounds to me as you started her in the deep end...
find somewhere with a harder more stable surface..
let her get use to the bike moveing around under her
with out haveing to deal with front end wash outs..

Yer be ok... yer need the right surface to learn on first off..
Thats all it's going to take...

[buffstar]

Everything wrong, nothing right... I had absolutely no direction or help whatsoever really, not even told how to stand or when to, basically no idea what to do sigh... and told to just get on it and go, i thought the person i was with was going to teach me, never mind... felt quite out of my depth and stressed out especially when I got lost! feel quite disheartened now but I think that's the exhaustion, body ache and random cold that turned up talking. Ah well.



well, you DID have another girl who was willing to help you out and give you some tips..... & trust me when I say a girl describes things differently than the boys :brick:

[bosslady]

My Bro probably has more skills info if you want I could get him to search them out it you want more reading....... If we could tee a ride with him he will point out things if you wanted.
wouldn't hurt, I'm home sick today so could do with some reading eh!

It sounds to me as you started her in the deep end...
find somewhere with a harder more stable surface..
let her get use to the bike moveing around under her
with out haveing to deal with front end wash outs..

Yer be ok... yer need the right surface to learn on first off..
Thats all it's going to take... who are you talking to? lol, the person who took me out doesn't use this forum, they're an mx rider. But yes I would agree.


well, you DID have another girl who was willing to help you out and give you some tips..... & trust me when I say a girl describes things differently than the boys :brick:
Do you mean midget? I didn't wanna spoil her other plans but if I'd have known what would happen maybe I would've anyway lol.

[BoristheBiter]

Next time you are up at the Sandpit, play around in the old car park (the place with all the obstacles).
There is a open area and a harder track that is good for practice. there is also a wider sandy track right next to it.
You can practice some techniques then use the blue loop that brings you straight back.

some reading.

http://motorcycles.about.com/od/howtoridesafel1/ss/How-To-Ride-A-Motorcycle-In-The-Dirt-10-Dirtbike-Tips-For-Street-Riders.htm

[bosslady]

Next time you are up at the Sandpit, play around in the old car park (the place with all the obstacles).
There is a open area and a harder track that is good for practice. there is also a wider sandy track right next to it.
You can practice some techniques then use the blue loop that brings you straight back.

some reading.

http://motorcycles.about.com/od/howtoridesafel1/ss/How-To-Ride-A-Motorcycle-In-The-Dirt-10-Dirtbike-Tips-For-Street-Riders.htm

I kept getting lost at the sandpit, not surprising seeing as I got lost yesterday even though I was using GPS! think I know what you're talking about though.

[Ocean1]

I kept getting lost at the sandpit.

Now that you're a big girl, with a proper bike you don't call it getting lost. It's called exploring.

[bosslady]

Now that you're a big girl, with a proper bike you don't call it getting lost. It's called exploring.

No, no I was definitely lost :lol:

[bosslady]

Also I forgot to mention, my boots that I bought got some unusual kind of damage when I was out. Some kind of rubber on them looks like it's old and/or really dried and it's cracked to pieces? The person I went with said they reckon I should return them. What do you think? Return them or just put up with them? Cause I would probably end up paying more to get some different boots (these cost like $195 or something). Thoughts?

[unstuck]

Take em back, looks like they are breaking down. I would anyway.:Punk:

[ktm84mxc]

take them back, don't accept a replacement pair , put the money towards a better pair Alpinestar tech 3, Gearne, Sidi entry level boots etc. They will cost up $400 but won't fall apart after 1 ride and will last 3-4 yrs if looked after.

[bosslady]

take them back, don't accept a replacement pair , put the money towards a better pair Alpinestar tech 3, Gearne, Sidi entry level boots etc. They will cost up $400 but won't fall apart after 1 ride and will last 3-4 yrs if looked after.Yea.. grrr.. will have to spend another couple hundy or something. I guess if they're that bad now they're only going to get worse. I don't think you can't NOT accept a replacement pair though can you? I thought they had the right to offer you replacement of goods or something under the consumer act. It was at cycletreads and I don't think they'd give me money back but at a stretch they might let me put that money towards another pair of boots - think they sell gaerne and sidi but not alpinestars...

[Grashopper]

Those you have are Teknic boots I think. Bring them back and get something else if you can (my first roadbike boots were Teknik boots. Soles fell off after 4 months of riding. 'Leather' cracked before that). Sidi or Gaerne have good reputation. You don't need the astars ones anyway as they won't match your non-astars dirtbike outfit anyway. :shifty:

[bosslady]

Those you have are Teknic boots I think. Bring them back and get something else if you can (my first roadbike boots were Teknik boots. Soles fell off after 4 months of riding. 'Leather' cracked before that). Sidi or Gaerne have good reputation. You don't need the astars ones anyway as they won't match your non-astars dirtbike outfit anyway. :shifty:

No they're Axo Prime's. Maybe they're related to Teknic, lol.

[leathel]

Yup that is return them ASAP, One ride and they are breaking down... Full refund and start looking for more. Bloody shame, don't leave it to long, get in there they remember the purchase as it will go smoother.

[bosslady]

Yup that is return them ASAP, One ride and they are breaking down... Full refund and start looking for more. Bloody shame, don't leave it to long, get in there they remember the purchase as it will go smoother.

Maybe I'll wait another hour and go, bit off to go now if I'm on sick leave! Not looking forward to walking up their stairs there either *gulp*

[BoristheBiter]

No boots should do that after one ride.
I have Gaerne, rode in them for the last 5 years and they have been through hell and still rock on.

[leathel]

Maybe I'll wait another hour and go, bit off to go now if I'm on sick leave! Not looking forward to walking up their stairs there either *gulp*

Well that will stretch the leg muscles ready for the next ride :D

I am sure you are feeling great by now :P

[noobi]

Also I forgot to mention, my boots that I bought got some unusual kind of damage when I was out. Some kind of rubber on them looks like it's old and/or really dried and it's cracked to pieces? The person I went with said they reckon I should return them. What do you think? Return them or just put up with them? Cause I would probably end up paying more to get some different boots (these cost like $195 or something). Thoughts?

I think its because the boots are old, the rubber has dried out too much, then flexed and cracked while riding.

Were they the ones they have here http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/907-axo_off_roaddirt_boots/3722-axo_prime_2_boot_size_7_white_.aspx ??

You might have to fight for cover on those, due to them being a heavily discounted item. A RRP of $600, which you got for ~$199.
Not saying they wont, just that I know other shops in which super discount item sales are final.

[bosslady]

Well that will stretch the leg muscles ready for the next ride :D

I am sure you are feeling great by now :P Feeling great? Nah, still feel like a cripple! Although I haven't got my arse up from the couch for a little while.


I think its because the boots are old, the rubber has dried out too much, then flexed and cracked while riding.

Were they the ones they have here http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/907-axo_off_roaddirt_boots/3722-axo_prime_2_boot_size_7_white_.aspx ??

You might have to fight for cover on those, due to them being a heavily discounted item. A RRP of $600, which you got for ~$199.
Not saying they wont, just that I know other shops in which super discount item sales are final.

Agreed, I think that's what's happened as well. And yes, those are the boots. I don't think there should be any problem covering them though, just because they were a special item doesn't mean it's ok what happened (am sure you would agree) besides I didn't see anything that said final sale, no returns etc.

[leathel]

It doesn't mater if its 10 year old stock they have to cover the boots, repair, replace or refund... they are classed as new being they are not used.

[gwynfryn]

Pretty sure they will have to give you a credit at least but i would try to get an equivalent boot of similar spec out of them. i.e a $600.00 boot. Good luck and don't let them bully you.

If you think sand is difficult don't go near Riverhead if its been wet.

[BoristheBiter]

Pretty sure they will have to give you a credit at least but i would try to get an equivalent boot of similar spec out of them. i.e a $600.00 boot. Good luck and don't let them bully you.

If you think sand is difficult don't go near Riverhead if its been wet.

This is why stores only give credit. Too many trying to ripe them off. (not aimed at you bosslady, just this post)
She paid $199 for them so she should expect to either get a new pair of the same make/model of boot or her money back not an equivalent $600 boot.

[bosslady]

So I lost my original receipt but not to worry the man there eventually found it in the system. Asked me what I wanted to do and Im like I dunno... a refund I guess? So he gave me a $190 refund onto my eftpos card (which was the original purchase price) no fuss no bother, now I just need to research etc. and shop again. He said sorry about that happening etc etc. Thanks older, balding, soft spoken man (don't know your name sorry).

[unstuck]

If you think sand is difficult don't go near Riverhead if its been wet.

I used to love riverhead in the wet when I was a kid/teen, I had a big old heavy as a tractor husqvarna that could send mud tails as high as the trees. Ahhh them were the days.:love:

[BoristheBiter]

So I lost my original receipt but not to worry the man there eventually found it in the system. Asked me what I wanted to do and Im like I dunno... a refund I guess? So he gave me a $190 refund onto my eftpos card (which was the original purchase price) no fuss no bother, now I just need to research etc. and shop again. He said sorry about that happening etc etc. Thanks older, balding, soft spoken man (don't know your name sorry).

Nice one cycletreads.

[BoristheBiter]

I used to love riverhead in the wet when I was a kid/teen, I had a big old heavy as a tractor husqvarna that could send mud tails as high as the trees. Ahhh them were the days.:love:

me and the other half had just started learning (about 3 months) to ride and someone suggested the family ride in Riverhead.
In 6 hours we had only done 2 laps, have never been so knacked in my life and we did desert storm the year it pissed down.

Wmcc do excellent rides but it starts at intermediate.

[unstuck]

30 years ago you could just ride into the riverhead forest from the dairy flat side(blackbridge road I think) and ride around all day, no worries.:Punk::Punk:

[BoristheBiter]

30 years ago you could just ride into the riverhead forest from the dairy flat side(blackbridge road I think) and ride around all day, no worries.:Punk::Punk:

You still can, just have to ride faster than security. :innocent:

[unstuck]

You still can, just have to ride faster than security. :innocent:

Security??? WTF. We must be lucky to have heaps of FREE forestry and bush trails to ride then.:Punk::Punk:

[Crisis management]

Bosslady, listen to what Tony (Ktmboy) says, he's a good instructor and well worth getting to know, he will help where he can but your best bet is to arrange some training with him. Woodhill is a great venue, there is tons of trails, you never get bored and it's open just about all the time, get used to sand and you can ride anything.

Next time will be easier!

[gwynfryn]

This is why stores only give credit. Too many trying to ripe them off. (not aimed at you bosslady, just this post)
She paid $199 for them so she should expect to either get a new pair of the same make/model of boot or her money back not an equivalent $600 boot.

The only person getting ripped off is the person who for whatever reason bought a product that was unfit for its purpose then had the hassle of returning the product and starting over again. What if they went away for a weekend riding etc etc they are out of pocket more than the initial purchase price and it is not unreasonable to want an equivalent spec item regardless of what you paid for them. I have no gripe with c treads but they will still be making money on boots reduced from $600 to $200.

[leathel]

The only person getting ripped off is the person who for whatever reason bought a product that was unfit for its purpose then had the hassle of returning the product and starting over again. What if they went away for a weekend riding etc etc they are out of pocket more than the initial purchase price and it is not unreasonable to want an equivalent spec item regardless of what you paid for them. I have no gripe with c treads but they will still be making money on boots reduced from $600 to $200.

like quality boots will be $50 boots if they only last one ride :eek5:

[bosslady]

Bosslady, listen to what Tony (Ktmboy) says, he's a good instructor and well worth getting to know, he will help where he can but your best bet is to arrange some training with him. Woodhill is a great venue, there is tons of trails, you never get bored and it's open just about all the time, get used to sand and you can ride anything.

Next time will be easier!

who says I wasn't listening? lol

[noobi]

The only person getting ripped off is the person who for whatever reason bought a product that was unfit for its purpose then had the hassle of returning the product and starting over again. What if they went away for a weekend riding etc etc they are out of pocket more than the initial purchase price and it is not unreasonable to want an equivalent spec item regardless of what you paid for them. I have no gripe with c treads but they will still be making money on boots reduced from $600 to $200.

The boots degrading while being used appropriately is covered by consumer guarantees act.
You missing out on something because the boots started falling apart IS NOT covered by the consumer guarantees act because is wasn't reasonably foreseeable.
Now the boots haven't failed, some of the aesthetic rubber has degraded, the boot didn't spontaneously fall apart and put anyone in danger. They could still be used if necessary.

Cycletreads probably aren't making any money on something that is reduced by 60% from retail.

The boots have been returned, and a refund given no questions asked. So there isn't a problem any more.

[bosslady]

The boots degrading while being used appropriately is covered by consumer guarantees act.
You missing out on something because the boots started falling apart IS NOT covered by the consumer guarantees act because is wasn't reasonably foreseeable.
Now the boots haven't failed, some of the aesthetic rubber has degraded, the boot didn't spontaneously fall apart and put anyone in danger. They could still be used if necessary.

Cycletreads probably aren't making any money on something that is reduced by 60% from retail.

The boots have been returned, and a refund given no questions asked. So there isn't a problem any more.

Agreed :) ...

[BoristheBiter]

The only person getting ripped off is the person who for whatever reason bought a product that was unfit for its purpose then had the hassle of returning the product and starting over again. What if they went away for a weekend riding etc etc they are out of pocket more than the initial purchase price and it is not unreasonable to want an equivalent spec item regardless of what you paid for them. I have no gripe with c treads but they will still be making money on boots reduced from $600 to $200.

Not the thread to be arguing the rights and wrong of who's ripping of whom but feel free to start another thread and we can argue till the cows come home.

It's all been sorted so quite a moot point.

[bosslady]

Which colour do you fellas reckon? I was thinking the white boots with red swirls?

[leathel]

boots are meant to be black IMHO :yes:


But the middle pair suits your gear

[BoristheBiter]

I'm with leathel on this one. Boots must be black.

[nzspokes]

I got white ones that were on sale. It seemed ok when I rode a Honda.

Now not so much.....

[unstuck]

Black. :yes::yes::yes:

[Crisis management]

Live a bit guys, you won't melt if you get out of your swanni and gumboots......my next set of boots are going to be white & orange! :woohoo:







White with red swirly bits girl, what colour lippie?

[leathel]

Live a bit guys, you won't melt if you get out of your swanni and gumboots......my next set of boots are going to be white & orange! :woohoo:

White with red swirly bits girl, what colour lippie?

Hey what wrong with gumboots and swanie :mad:


Well actually I have the top of a Toe missing and the top of big to stitched back on that might back up your statement :wacko:

Good boots might have been better than gumboots that day :crazy:


Must get some more good boots (Dirt) as the current ones are stuffed

[unstuck]

Live a bit guys, you won't melt if you get out of your swanni and gumboots......my next set of boots are going to be white & orange! :woohoo:







White with red swirly bits girl, what colour lippie?

Not a good idea, especially if the little knob has broken off your brake lever, coz they go right through gumboot, through your leg and generally just fuck your day up.:pinch:

[BoristheBiter]

Live a bit guys, you won't melt if you get out of your swanni and gumboots......my next set of boots are going to be white & orange! :woohoo:



White with red swirly bits girl, what colour lippie?

I don't even own any gumboots, but whats this talk of lippy you going back to Honda?

[unstuck]

I don't even own any gumboots, but whats this talk of lippy you going back to Honda?

:Oi: I ride a Honda and only wear lippy on special occassions.:motu:

[bosslady]

Gosh decisions, decisions, why should they be black? cause they will look dirty or something?

[leathel]

Gosh decisions, decisions, why should they be black? cause they will look dirty or something?

Just because boots are black.........

Its a man thing...can't look girly now ;)

[unstuck]

Gosh decisions, decisions, why should they be black? cause they will look dirty or something?

Cos black is evil and evil is good.:devil2::Punk::Punk:

[BoristheBiter]

Cos black is evil and evil is good.:devil2::Punk::Punk:

So it's black lippy then, that' a different story.:whistle:

[pete-blen]

White with red swirly bits girl, what colour lippie?
Matching lippy == > http://www.todaytattoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/tattooed-lips-150x150.jpg

[bosslady]

So, Advice for this weak and useless female on how to tie her bike down to a trailer? Got a tow bar now thanks to leathel And have a trailer to use thanks to the stepfather. Ideas? hopefully go get some boots tomorrow too think I'll go for the red and white tech 3s

[sketch]

Bike strops......... 30 odd bucks from supacheap. Round the h bars and something to hold the rear in place and wallah

[leathel]

I should have shown you while you were there, could have loaded Rosesbike ....

but then again I missed the start of Michael game after picking up his bike and doing a few tweaks on the cruiser before heading over.... Lazy day today though...I should be down fixing a few more bits on the old cutter I got for the boy....got to love buying bikes from teenagers that do there own bike work :crazy:


http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/1678-aerofast_tie_downs/5254-aerofast_tie_downs.aspx

I prefer the Karabina type....but it depends on what is on the trailer to attach to :)

I will take a pic when its loaded to take home .

[BoristheBiter]

So, Advice for this weak and useless female on how to tie her bike down to a trailer? Got a tow bar now thanks to leathel And have a trailer to use thanks to the stepfather. Ideas? hopefully go get some boots tomorrow too think I'll go for the red and white tech 3s

Piece of piss as google/youtube are your friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKlVC-pfbC0

shit load of vids on how people do it.

I use these as they do not hold water or stretch.
http://www.aerofast.co.nz/products/motorcycle/

[nzspokes]

I got one of these to help with loading and keeping the bike in place, works well.

http://www.mxshop.co.nz/drc-wheel-chock-2-black.html

[leathel]

I got one of these to help with loading and keeping the bike in place, works well.

http://www.mxshop.co.nz/drc-wheel-chock-2-black.html


I guess bolting that to a borrowed trailer might be an issue but you could bolt it to a bit of ply or 6x1 wood that is the width of the trailer to drop in when you use the trailer :)

[bosslady]

I guess bolting that to a borrowed trailer might be an issue but you could bolt it to a bit of ply or 6x1 wood that is the width of the trailer to drop in when you use the trailer :)
I don't reckon it should be a problem? Stepfather and mother are in Australia I don't know if they're ever going to come back anyway Lol. That seems like a great idea especially as my flatty just bought a cr250 So now we needa transfer two bikes around!

[nzspokes]

I guess bolting that to a borrowed trailer might be an issue but you could bolt it to a bit of ply or 6x1 wood that is the width of the trailer to drop in when you use the trailer :)

Fair call, ours is a bike trailer only.

[bosslady]

My flatmate Reckons we ought to get these too? http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/suspension/auction-602823680.htm

[nzspokes]

My flatmate Reckons we ought to get these too? http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/suspension/auction-602823680.htm

Nah, I got told at Mr Motorcycles not to as they can transmit road shocks to the bike and snap tie downs. My bike bounces on its suspension but has never moved.

[Ocean1]

My flatmate Reckons we ought to get these too? http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/suspension/auction-602823680.htm

Don't bother. I've heard of at least one bike lost off a trailer because one of those came out. I can't even see the original point of them, I've never popped a seal from tying bikes down the traditional way.

[leathel]

We used to use a block of wood as a chock, and it was hard on the tie downs, so we just made sure the hooks of the tie downs were in a way so they didn't drop out when you hit big bumps going slack. When we went to karabina's type tie downs you didn't need to tie down as tight as the hooks don't pop off :)

[sketch]

My flatmate Reckons we ought to get these too? http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/suspension/auction-602823680.htm

Na there stink......... block of wood does same thing if you feel the need. Theres a sweet spot between wrecking your shocks and being loose.

[bosslady]

Hmmm hmmm....

[flyingcr250]

Hmmm hmmm....

do what ever puts your mind at ease, i use a chock cause i like my bike held down nice and tight, ive tied them down with and without a chock and never had one fall off a tralier.

ive got a van now so the only thing ive got to worry about is where to buy my sausage roll on the way to a ride.

[BoristheBiter]

I have one and the only thing i have found is both tie downs need to be on the same angle or one doesn't tighten up so only use it when there is only one bike on.

But either way i've never popped a seal or had a bike come off.

[bosslady]

Ok so I know some people have already given me some advice but I'm still kinda confused. I want to get some armour for my knees/shins before the weekend comes as I am meant to be going for a ride and this was what got hurt the worse (and still does). I think I will slowly build my armoury up and this is where I want to start. Suggestions please? Not sure how much Is reasonable to spend but I don't wanna spend anymore than $100?

[BoristheBiter]

Ok so I know some people have already given me some advice but I'm still kinda confused. I want to get some armour for my knees/shins before the weekend comes as I am meant to be going for a ride and this was what got hurt the worse (and still does). I think I will slowly build my armoury up and this is where I want to start. Suggestions please? Not sure how much Is reasonable to spend but I don't wanna spend anymore than $100?

What do you want knee braces or guards?
Did you get sore knees because you kept bashing them or because you were twisting them?

If you want braces forget it unless you buy second hand as the good ones are expensive. you can get them cheap just have to look around.
If you just want guards then go for something like these, or simalar.
http://motorcyclegear.co.nz/fox-titan-mtb-knee-guards.html

FYI I wear k700 pods have no complaints but haven't worn anything else so couldn't tell you the pros/cons of others

[Tony.OK]

Ok so I know some people have already given me some advice but I'm still kinda confused. I want to get some armour for my knees/shins before the weekend comes as I am meant to be going for a ride and this was what got hurt the worse (and still does). I think I will slowly build my armoury up and this is where I want to start. Suggestions please? Not sure how much Is reasonable to spend but I don't wanna spend anymore than $100?

http://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/E6PRKNNS5/title/evs-sc05-knee-guard

Have these, they are super comfy to the point ya can't tell they're on, use long knee socks or wear leggings as the top strap velcro can rub.

[bosslady]

What do you want knee braces or guards?
Did you get sore knees because you kept bashing them or because you were twisting them?

If you want braces forget it unless you buy second hand as the good ones are expensive. you can get them cheap just have to look around.
If you just want guards then go for something like these, or simalar.
http://motorcyclegear.co.nz/fox-titan-mtb-knee-guards.html

FYI I wear k700 pods have no complaints but haven't worn anything else so couldn't tell you the pros/cons of others
Yea braces probably a bit too much at the mo. I guess technically it's the area between the top of the boot and my knees that got hurt.

[BoristheBiter]

Yea braces probably a bit too much at the mo. I guess technically it's the area between the top of the boot and my knees that got hurt.

so guards it is and by looking at that pic the best ones you can find.

[MikeJ]

I have a brand new set of these Thor Force Knee Guards that l bought off someone thru Trademe recently.

http://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/6TPRKN0FO/title/thor-force-kneeguard

They were incorrectly advertised as L/XL . They are S/M. If that size is ok (try some at a shop) then they are yours for what l paid for them....$50.

I have used these type for a couple of years...probably the best of the non brace type on the market. Its best to use very long socks for any kind of knee guards to stop chaffing as well.

PM me with contact details if you want to take the offer.

[Ocean1]

Yea braces probably a bit too much at the mo. I guess technically it's the area between the top of the boot and my knees that got hurt.

How did you do that? I can't think of anything on the bike there that would put pressure on your leg... Or did you just happen to drop it in similar positions on both sides?

Either way, knee guards are designed to deflect rocks from the guy in front, they might not help much in a situation where the bike lands on your legs. Be careful of getting so covered in kit that you overheat, you use up far more energy and it makes your day a chore instead of fun.

[ktm84mxc]

Knee guards do more then just deflecting the roost , here's a demo stand on a chair on your concrete drive now drop off landing on to your knees this is a similar impact to landing from a moving bike onto hard ground . They also stop penetration damage from stones/gravel/foot pegs/sticks etc which you may land on.
You'll be surprised by the ways you can hurt yourself on a dirt bike.

[Ocean1]

Knee guards do more then just deflecting the roost , here's a demo stand on a chair on your concrete drive now drop off landing on to your knees this is a similar impact to landing from a moving bike onto hard ground . They also stop penetration damage from stones/gravel/foot pegs/sticks etc which you may land on.

Yeah, fair comment. Although I tend not to ride on concrete for that very reason. I just don't see them preventing the sort of bruising in the pic, which looks to be more from pressure than impact. And the comment re overheating stands.


You'll be surprised by the ways you can hurt yourself on a dirt bike.

Mate, you're talking to possibly the world's most experienced hurtee.

[bosslady]

How did you do that? I can't think of anything on the bike there that would put pressure on your leg... Or did you just happen to drop it in similar positions on both sides?

Either way, knee guards are designed to deflect rocks from the guy in front, they might not help much in a situation where the bike lands on your legs. Be careful of getting so covered in kit that you overheat, you use up far more energy and it makes your day a chore instead of fun.
Farked if I know! Must have been from dropping the bike.

Will try and sort some braces by the weekend!

[Ocean1]

Farked if I know! Must have been from dropping the bike.

Will try and sort some braces by the weekend!

Go stand on the bike, bet something on the bike, (bottom of tank/seat) is touching the bruises.

[bosslady]

Ok more questions I don't understand the deal with body armour? As in like pressure suits or chest protectors and shit? I'm going to Australia next week so thought I might try these Guys http://shop.peterstevens.com.au/200_Dirt/200_Armour/pl.php

[Ocean1]

Ok more questions I don't understand the deal with body armour?

Me neither.

Worlds full of f'k'n blouses.

[bosslady]

Me neither.

Worlds full of f'k'n blouses.
Yea and I certainly don't have a chest worth protecting anyway, Seriously..

[oneofsix]

Yea and I certainly don't have a chest worth protecting anyway, Seriously..

Do you mean chest or breast? I thought chest protectors were about the ribs and internals, not the cuddlies.

[bosslady]

Do you mean chest or breast? I thought chest protectors were about the ribs and internals, not the cuddlies.
Tongue in cheek....

[nzspokes]

I use a suit. Wouldnt be with out it. I need to be fit for work the next day. Saved me many times already.

[BoristheBiter]

Yea and I certainly don't have a chest worth protecting anyway, Seriously..

At desert storm I copped a fist size rock in the side of my armour. left a nice bruise. would hate to think what it would have felt like without armor on. I guess it comes down to me being ATGATT.

As for the difference i guess it comes down to personal preference. I like amour as it lets air though and have more padding in the shoulders and that is what a fall on most.

I have tried on pressure suits but the forearms are always to tight and the elbow/forearm protectors stick out.
If i had to choose one it would be the fox titan or the alpine stars, but again presonal preferance.

You will love Peter Stevens,. last time we were there (motogp) we spent hours and $$$$$$$.

[bosslady]

At desert storm I copped a fist size rock in the side of my armour. left a nice bruise. would hate to think what it would have felt like without armor on. I guess it comes down to me being ATGATT.

As for the difference i guess it comes down to personal preference. I like amour as it lets air though and have more padding in the shoulders and that is what a fall on most.

I have tried on pressure suits but the forearms are always to tight and the elbow/forearm protectors stick out.
If i had to choose one it would be the fox titan or the alpine stars, but again presonal preferance.

You will love Peter Stevens,. last time we were there (motogp) we spent hours and $$$$$$$.
I thought the done thing was to wear both? I'm so confused... I don't understand what a pressure suit is for anyway?

[leathel]

Depends on the pace you ride and how tight you ride with other bikes.... as pile ups its handy to have.

At the speed you will be riding ATM you are not that likely to break bones just bruise.

They are there for when you cartwheel the bike and get a bar or lever in the chest etc

While I think the knee protectors are probably worth getting braces aren't at your pace, Braces are more for MX riders as the ruff ruts at pace are bloody hard on your knees .... And braces take the pressure of the knees a bit, std protectors just spread the load on impact to lessen the hurt.

This weekend can be a gentle hill ride or if you get confident enough can be some serious hill climbing. You shouldn't be getting tangled in other bikes, It wont be a skid fest as its farm land and grass is money..... Not saying you have to go easy...its not a dig ruts doing roosters ride ;)

My brother and his kids will have all the gear wear and I will have F/all. So you wont feel out of place either way :P

[Ocean1]

I don't understand what a pressure suit is for anyway?

It's a ballistic nylon shirt, the sole purpose of which is to position the attached armour. Some incorporate a kidney belt. You can get wimmens versions.

And they're still too bloody hot.

[BoristheBiter]

I thought the done thing was to wear both? I'm so confused... I don't understand what a pressure suit is for anyway?

A pressure suit is tighter and worn under your jersey.
Armour is looser and worn over.
You do not wear both at the same time.

Both are for protection from falling, hitting things or being hit buy things.

But either way both will make you look the shit when the zombie apocalypse happens.

[bosslady]

Depends on the pace you ride and how tight you ride with other bikes.... as pile ups its handy to have.

At the speed you will be riding ATM you are not that likely to break bones just bruise.

They are there for when you cartwheel the bike and get a bar or lever in the chest etc

While I think the knee protectors are probably worth getting braces aren't at your pace, Braces are more for MX riders as the ruff ruts at pace are bloody hard on your knees .... And braces take the pressure of the knees a bit, std protectors just spread the load on impact to lessen the hurt.

This weekend can be a gentle hill ride or if you get confident enough can be some serious hill climbing. You shouldn't be getting tangled in other bikes, It wont be a skid fest as its farm land and grass is money..... Not saying you have to go easy...its not a dig ruts doing roosters ride

My brother and his kids will have all the gear wear and I will have F/all. So you wont feel out of place either way :P
Lol I just ffigured if I can think ahead to the future and get some gear while I Am in Australia, Even if I won't need it quite yet, might save myself some $$

[bosslady]

A pressure suit is tighter and worn under your jersey.
Armour is looser and worn over.
You do not wear both at the same time.

Both are for protection from falling, hitting things or being hit buy things.

But either way both will make you look the shit when the zombie apocalypse happens.
Ahh I see, What would you recommend?

[oneofsix]

Tongue in cheek....

I think I had best leave this thread now, before I reply to that. Tongues, female bodies - shhh :pinch:

You have a serious bike related question that I can add to. Oh wait, after compacting the spine in full ATGATT I was shown a race riders back protector and told it would have helped. if you are going off road, and I don't, I would be seriously getting armour. Looks much more robust than the stuff they build into the road gear.

[BoristheBiter]

Ahh I see, What would you recommend?

I like pressure suits as it holds the armour where it is needed, a bit like leathers on road.
I just haven't found one that fits properly as said before so have stayed with armour.

My other half had armour and now a pressure suit and wouldn't go back.
Try shit loads on and see what you prefer.

[nzspokes]

I had elbow armor on a while back. I came down and it moved. I lost a stack of skin which was no big deal. But buy the time I got home the wound got infected and I spent a month on antibiotics and daily visits to the doctor.

I now wear the suit. No more issues with armor moving.

[Ocean1]

Aye, if it don't fit it's useless, be prepared to try everything they've got.

Aussie market snap...

http://www.ebay.com.au/bhp/alpinestars-bionic-2

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ladies-Body-Armour-Pressure-Suit-MX-Motocross-Dirt-Quad-Off-road-DH-ATV-Trail-/170740427057

[bosslady]

I think I had best leave this thread now, before I reply to that. Tongues, female bodies - shhh :pinch:

You have a serious bike related question that I can add to. Oh wait, after compacting the spine in full ATGATT I was shown a race riders back protector and told it would have helped. if you are going off road, and I don't, I would be seriously getting armour. Looks much more robust than the stuff they build into the road gear.
I have a nice alpinestars back protector for the road already but don't think I'll need that for off road?

I like pressure suits as it holds the armour where it is needed, a bit like leathers on road.
I just haven't found one that fits properly as said before so have stayed with armour.

My other half had armour and now a pressure suit and wouldn't go back.
Try shit loads on and see what you prefer.
Good idea I'll try some stuff on when I'm over there and decide, just trying to research before I'm cut off fRom the interweb!

[Transalper]

They are right, you would normally choose to go with either a pressure suit or roost deflector with separate elbow guards, kidney belt etc.

I had the traditional roost protector upper body armour and separate elbow guards in the time before pressure suits.
Now I have a pressure suit I'll never go back, I feel the back protection alone makes it worth it. Elbow, shoulder, chest and a kidney belt all included in the pressure suit as well.
For my next one when my current one is worn out I'll get either the Fox Titan (http://www.gearfactor.com.au/catalog/item/7548255/7970822.htm) or Thor pressure suits in the NZ$200 to $220 price range.

My knee guards are very basic old AXO guards (similar to these) (http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/867-axo_leg_protectionsupport/7264-axo_deluxe_knee_cup_kneeshin_g.aspx) and I find them to be quite functional. You need to pull a little bit of your pants up out of the boots to the top of the knee cup so there's a loose bit above the guard when you have a straight leg, then when you sit the guard won't be pulled by your pants being tight over the knee. (I wear the knee guard under my riding pants, some people don't)
They just have two straps that go round my calfs and a bit of extended foam rubber on the inside knee area where I clamp the bike with my knees.
The Knee guards (as with the pressure suit) are great at reducing and often totally eliminating pain and/or bruising when landing on river bed rocks or any manner of solid thing... or having the bike land on you.

But note; no matter what you wear it is still possible to land awkwardly and brake bones or tear AC joints etc. Collarbones are a common one.

[BoristheBiter]

I have a nice alpinestars back protector for the road already but don't think I'll need that for off road?

Good idea I'll try some stuff on when I'm over there and decide, just trying to research before I'm cut off fRom the interweb!

Peter Stevens staff are great. last time we spent hours trying everything on and in the end just brought a bag and they shipped it back to NZ for free (motogp special)

Remember you can claim the Aussie GST back.
Catch is it has to be over $aus500, on one receipt and be with you (not in checked baggage.)

[bosslady]

Peter Stevens staff are great. last time we spent hours trying everything on and in the end just brought a bag and they shipped it back to NZ for free (motogp special)

Remember you can claim the Aussie GST back.
Catch is it has to be over $aus500, on one receipt and be with you (not in checked baggage.)
How do you claim the gst back? How much is their gst anyway?

[unstuck]

How do you claim the gst back? How much is their gst anyway?

10 per cent I think, may of changed again by now though. :yes:

[BoristheBiter]

How do you claim the gst back? How much is their gst anyway?

Pretty sure it's 10%.
After you go through passport control (in Aussie) coming home, there is a customs desk where you go and apply.

But like I said,
1) over $500,
2) all on the same receipt,
3) on your person when claiming.

We found out this the hard way.

[buffstar]

If you choose to ride without armour that's cool - but be prepared to catch a rock in the chest. When you go on a trail ride the faster riders will not sit behind you, they will overtake you and even if they do it carefully (as they should) you will eat some roost - fact of life.Probably a good idea to hold off on a big investment like knee braces until you decide how far you want to go with this, but I do have to disagree that they are only for motox riders - I ride some fairly advanced trails and this is where my shitty old knee pads let me down but you will learn as you go I think. We all ride with different styles and different terrain.
regardless of the size of your *ahem* chest you need to protect it.
good luck with your decision - hope you get some good deals in Oz

[leathel]

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd316/leathel-one/IMG_8216.jpg (http://s222.photobucket.com/user/leathel-one/media/IMG_8216.jpg.html)

:)

[bosslady]

Terrible, Just terrible, Lol

[unstuck]

Bloody terrible alright..........How can they just leave all that firewood like that, Id be cutting that shit up.:Punk::Punk:

[Maha]

↑ It all looks very very clean....:whistle:

[leathel]

Bloody terrible alright..........How can they just leave all that firewood like that, Id be cutting that shit up.:Punk::Punk:

I came home with a load of wood (well a Mule load) ;)

Its does get cut up as it falls.....within reason and If I don't have the quad on the back of the Ute next time I will be able to take more :yes:

[unstuck]

↑ It all looks very very clean....:whistle:

Must of just come off the trailer .:girlfight:

[BoristheBiter]

Terrible, Just terrible, Lol

Yes, looking at the camera without pulling a wheelie.:oi-grr:

[bosslady]

Yes, looking at the camera without pulling a wheelie.:oi-grr:
I seriously suck at this dirt biking malarkey. My flatmate went too and was bloody caning it around, made me look stupid :(

[BoristheBiter]

I seriously suck at this dirt biking malarkey. My flatmate went too and was bloody caning it around, made me look stupid :(

Forget how other people are going. I still can't pull a wheelie (but don't tell anyone).
Some learn quicker than others, some like going faster than others. there will always be someone that will be faster, or slower, than you.

Just remember, sit forward, legs in, elbows up, look where you want to go and the main point, have fun.

[bosslady]

Forget how other people are going. I still can't pull a wheelie (but don't tell anyone).
Some learn quicker than others, some like going faster than others. there will always be someone that will be faster, or slower, than you.

Just remember, sit forward, legs in, elbows up, look where you want to go and the main point, have fun.
Sigh, I'm pathetically Terrible and soooooooo slow though...

[sketch]

And always will be with that poor me parade attitude. Your ok. Look the part :). Put a smile on ya dial and have fun

[nerrrd]

Sigh, I'm pathetically Terrible and soooooooo slow though...

Maybe you are now, but blimey give yourself a chance...how many times have you gone riding? Twice? Some lessons probably wouldn't hurt either.

[nzspokes]

I still can't pull a wheelie (but don't tell anyone).


I can, but never when I want to. :(

[leathel]

Sigh, I'm pathetically Terrible and soooooooo slow though...

You have to remember that your flatmate although new to dirt has experience of faster bikes... and don't compare what your bike does when I rode it as I have been a hoon on bikes for years....... You should be comparing yourself to Rose on the dirt almost as she hasn't had that much less dirt riding and she would not have gone anywhere near the hills you went on...... you might never be a hoon but you will get a lot more confident with a bit more time and some tutoring. Its a shame I didn't get my bike sorted as I could have guided the lines better than on the quad (Croften was a little tough on the lines he took as well)

Next time I will find some gentle rolling country so you still have hills but less of the drop offs so you don't have to panic on whats over the other side. Nice hoon paddock though.... and did Matt tell you he almost came off as well....

[bosslady]

You have to remember that your flatmate although new to dirt has experience of faster bikes... and don't compare what your bike does when I rode it as I have been a hoon on bikes for years....... You should be comparing yourself to Rose on the dirt almost as she hasn't had that much less dirt riding and she would not have gone anywhere near the hills you went on...... you might never be a hoon but you will get a lot more confident with a bit more time and some tutoring. Its a shame I didn't get my bike sorted as I could have guided the lines better than on the quad (Croften was a little tough on the lines he took as well)

Next time I will find some gentle rolling country so you still have hills but less of the drop offs so you don't have to panic on whats over the other side. Nice hoon paddock though.... and did Matt tell you he almost came off as well....
Yea but he was going way faster and still didn't fall off, Not once. I fell off three times... I think I will try and arrange a lesson or two when I'm on leave.

[pete-blen]

I fell off three times...

i would imagine those tires an't helping much on grass that long... They would be rideing over the top
& not penatrateing though into the dirt below..... Would be ok on a hard surface..

[leathel]

i would imagine those tires an't helping much on grass that long... They would be riding over the top
& not penatrateing though into the dirt below..... Would be ok on a hard surface..


Tires were OK, there was some steep spots and lack of speed, footing etc was more the issue, was not easy riding. The first fall of was lack of speed and steep so footing was a stretch... missed the actual drops the other times they they were also not in flat spots. Some of the hills had mean rutted near vertical drops on the other side or steep down to a fence....hence the hesitant speeds up.

[leathel]

Yea but he was going way faster and still didn't fall off, Not once. I fell off three times... I think I will try and arrange a lesson or two when I'm on leave.

He has also done lots of riding with horse power, Your GN would be like riding the XR100 that Rose was riding, you 230 is taller, more powerful and not setup as well as his bike...yet, get the bars set, forks set and you will do better.

[bosslady]

He has also done lots of riding with horse power, Your GN would be like riding the XR100 that Rose was riding, you 230 is taller, more powerful and not setup as well as his bike...yet, get the bars set, forks set and you will do better.
He won't help me change those bits on my bike so I'll have to read up on that in the manual which I'm sure will tell me.

[leathel]

He won't help me change those bits on my bike so I'll have to read up on that in the manual which I'm sure will tell me.

10 min job....can show you what to do before the next ride. Would be good to build up the RH foot peg stop, I can weld that while you set the bars. All those little things make the bike a little more natural to ride. That paddock was a bit of a hard learning paddock but Matt was ripping the learner loop up a bit much, so we had to shift for the sake of the farmer.

I will look at Robs new farm soon to see what its like.... It might have enough challenge without the scary down hills

[nzspokes]

Find a big open paddock and go nuts.

[BoristheBiter]

Yea but he was going way faster and still didn't fall off, Not once. I fell off three times... I think I will try and arrange a lesson or two when I'm on leave.

Oi, Stop knocking yourself. you're out there and doing it.
I'm more than man enough to tell you that during most rides I will fall off at least 3 times, and crash at least once.
My big problem is leaning with the bike on right hand corners, extending the right arm and just out riding the front tyre and loose the front end.
I know what I am doing wrong but still do it but I have a smile on the dial (most times).
As most have said, you are just starting and have a lot to learn but never knock yourself.

[bosslady]

And always will be with that poor me parade attitude. Your ok. Look the part :). Put a smile on ya dial and have fun
No poor me bull shit, I just have no confidence.

[Ocean1]

No poor me bull shit, I just have no confidence.

So, you're well on the way then... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_stages_of_competence

[buffstar]

Sigh, I'm pathetically Terrible and soooooooo slow though...

Suck it up! No one starts off being awesome - what? did you think it would be easy?

[bosslady]

Suck it up! No one starts off being awesome - what? did you think it would be easy?

No I did not. I have a severe lack of confidence in most everything in life and this is no exception. Hence me being unhappy.

[Tony.OK]

No I did not. I have a severe lack of confidence in most everything in life and this is no exception. Hence me being unhappy.

As NZspokes said....................get yerself out into a flat paddock somewhere and just ride around heaps, going straight into obstacles etc will do you no good yet, learn to ride like its your GN on the flat and the confidence will come much quicker...............baby steps!

[motor_mayhem]

No I did not. I have a severe lack of confidence in most everything in life and this is no exception. Hence me being unhappy.

The parents of confidence are practice and perseverance (from my experience)

[buffstar]

https://www.facebook.com/events/125956327612223/

Give something like this a go - coaching that is aimed specifically at chicks - He also does days in the Auckland region, but this link should help you at least make contact & find out what is available. $130 for a full day is pretty good rate I think?
We were all slow at first, your not going to nail it first few times out. Stop comparing yourself to boys - they are mental :brick:
find yourself some other girls to ride with, there are heaps out there, and lots of them are just learning too.

[ktm84mxc]

Buffstar's got it right we all learn at different rates and times, off road there are so many variables compared to the road it all takes time to learn/master.
Give yourself 6/9 mths to learn the basics and stick to friendly/easy trails to get the confidence up, remember momentum is your friend to greasy sections.

[leathel]

Yes Matt didn't crash but he is used to a big heavy bike with loads of power and the CR would have been like a toy to him so you cant compare to what he did, he still had stalling issues etc


To give others an idea of the country we went to when the learner track started to get cut up, look at the background in these pics, some of the area was just as steep and steeper but it had easier hills mixed in....but over the edge of the gentile often had steep drops, and some of the gentle was riding on the narrow ridges with steep to the side...... so yes she wasn't confident in those paddocks but a few others on this forum would be in the same boat..

The plan was to head out to other spots but weather and freezing winds stopped us taking the young ones out. My Wife stayed in the car to read a book when we moved so we don't have any pictures of the actual paddock we went to and the views out to the sea :)


http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd316/leathel-one/IMG_8240.jpg (http://s222.photobucket.com/user/leathel-one/media/IMG_8240.jpg.html)

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd316/leathel-one/IMG_8376.jpg (http://s222.photobucket.com/user/leathel-one/media/IMG_8376.jpg.html)

[unstuck]

Looks like a good spot for a hoon, plenty of animal tracks to scoot around on the side of the hill, whoop whoop.:Punk::Punk:

[Crisis management]

Don't beat yourself up, off road riding is about learning each time you get on the bike, that's the great part of it, as lots of others have said, get used to falling off, I fall off a number of times each time I get on it. It's meant to be fun and the fun part is making an arse of yourself as well as having the opportunity to ride in some of the best parts of the country. I started riding off road at 50 and spent the first two years trying to keep up with guys that had been racing for decades, it takes time to gain new skills, give yourself the time.
Focus on learning one thing at a time (something simple like standing up around a corner) and go and see Tony at the sandpit or Chris Birch when you can afford some training, it will transform your experience.
So, trail ride at South Head this sunday, we expect to see you there..... I'm the old guy falling off the kTM450!

[BoristheBiter]

Don't beat yourself up, off road riding is about learning each time you get on the bike, that's the great part of it, as lots of others have said, get used to falling off, I fall off a number of times each time I get on it. It's meant to be fun and the fun part is making an arse of yourself as well as having the opportunity to ride in some of the best parts of the country. I started riding off road at 50 and spent the first two years trying to keep up with guys that had been racing for decades, it takes time to gain new skills, give yourself the time.
Focus on learning one thing at a time (something simple like standing up around a corner) and go and see Tony at the sandpit or Chris Birch when you can afford some training, it will transform your experience.
So, trail ride at South Head this sunday, we expect to see you there..... I'm the old guy falling off the kTM450!

What he said. (except I'm on a 350)
The tracks are going to be great on Sunday, but not at south head. ride is at Rimmers road, same place as the 2 man.

[unstuck]

What he said. (except I'm on a 350)
The tracks are going to be great on Sunday, but not at south head. ride is at Rimmers road, same place as the 2 man.

I thought rimmers went all the way out to south head, once your in the forest?

[BoristheBiter]

I thought rimmers went all the way out to south head, once your in the forest?

Rimmers stops just after the sandpit and it becomes Inland road.

I guess this is the ride that CM was talking about.
http://www.endlessdirtbiking.co.nz/mid-winter-trail-ride.html

[nzspokes]

Rimmers stops just after the sandpit and it becomes Inland road.

I guess this is the ride that CM was talking about.
http://www.endlessdirtbiking.co.nz/mid-winter-trail-ride.html

Will it be Learner/Old fart/bounce off trees friendly?

[BoristheBiter]

Will it be Learner/Old fart/bounce off trees friendly?

I bloody hope so.

[unstuck]

Rimmers stops just after the sandpit and it becomes Inland road.

I guess this is the ride that CM was talking about.
http://www.endlessdirtbiking.co.nz/mid-winter-trail-ride.html

Well whaddaya know, I always thought rimmer road went all the way to coast rd, and from there either keep going up coast rd towards south head, or duck out onto the beach. Must be getting befuddled in me old age, and to think we used to go out there nearly every weekend.:crazy:

[Crisis management]

Will it be Learner/Old fart/bounce off trees friendly?

Why do you think I'm going? :crazy:









I still reckon it's almost south head, it's certainly closer to the Kaipara than Hillsborough is......

[Ktmboy]

Will it be Learner/Old fart/bounce off trees friendly?

Yeah pretty much.

But by the same token these are not tracks that a complete beginner should be riding and the same for most rides including WMMC rides in Woodhill, although we have a neat junior track that beginners can gain confidence on and then go "I can ride these".

As I've said previous proper lessons are the way to go. You can waste a lot of money and time by not doing it right first time.

Details on the ride this Sunday are on www.endlessdirtbiking.co.nz

Generally the tracks are like the yellow to blue at The sandpit. Where it is harder (haha, oh yes "read swamp, bog and generally harder sections") we have yellow arrow options that you can drive a SUV around.

This track is the bizz with unused coast sections, passing through previous dope growing plots from a few years ago (ask me and I'll smoke you thru them. to coin a phrase) its a good ride. I'm buzzing.

[bosslady]

I'll be in aus for a little bit, Ktmboy Are lessons available during the working week? I'll have to wait until I get back.

Anyway went to cyclespot Honda tonight and got a pressure suit and knee guards

[Crisis management]

Where it is harder (haha, oh yes "read swamp, bog and generally harder sections")


Good man, I'm looking forward to this, can you please arrange decent weather?

[Transalper]

....
My knee guards are very basic old AXO guards (similar to these) (http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/867-axo_leg_protectionsupport/7264-axo_deluxe_knee_cup_kneeshin_g.aspx) and I find them to be quite functional. You need to pull a little bit of your pants up out of the boots to the top of the knee cup so there's a loose bit above the guard when you have a straight leg, then when you sit the guard won't be pulled by your pants being tight over the knee. (I wear the knee guard under my riding pants, some people don't)....

I know this is a bit done now but I just stumbled upon this little video and thought of this thread.
It's from a professional rider showing the same thing I tried to say also with similar guards to what I use....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap7Vsk4MOig (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap7Vsk4MOig)

[bosslady]

Rain rain go Away, I have a dirt bike lesson today!

[unstuck]

Rain rain go Away, I have a dirt bike lesson today!

Good day to learn power slides then.:niceone:

[bosslady]

Good day to learn power slides then.:niceone:
Don't say that!

[leathel]

you should be OK, blue sky here now after plenty of rain...

[bosslady]

you should be OK, blue sky here now after plenty of rain...
Here's hoping. Not very nice here on the shore, Lesson is at woodhill.

[leathel]

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd316/leathel-one/rain-nzni-2013070912-12.gif (http://s222.photobucket.com/user/leathel-one/media/rain-nzni-2013070912-12.gif.html)

looks OK at mid day, that colour is generally overcast with the odd light shower

[bosslady]

Well I'd better get going. Put the bike on the trailer myself, also hooked the trailer up myself too I hope neither fall off. Additionally I don't much know how to drive a trailer, or worse, ride a dirt bike. Disaster!

[fridayflash]

deluge all over the country today..i just saw noah sail past:cool:

[unstuck]

Well I'd better get going. Put the bike on the trailer myself, also hooked the trailer up myself too I hope neither fall off. Additionally I don't much know how to drive a trailer, or worse, ride a dirt bike. Disaster!

Your trailer has a motor? WTF, where can I get one of those.:innocent:

[buffstar]

:banana: Yehah!! have fun - Woodhill is fun in the wet, it makes the sand much easier to ride & Tony is a good teacher.

Just remember, we all sucked when we started - I hope you learn heaps & have a blast!

PS driving with a trailer is just the same as learning to ride a dirtbike.... you'll just get better and better, when I first started I was trying to back my trailer out of a big ass driveway & still managed to take out a pole - *ahem* can now do a three point turn :whistle:

[leathel]

Well I'd better get going. Put the bike on the trailer myself, also hooked the trailer up myself too I hope neither fall off. Additionally I don't much know how to drive a trailer, or worse, ride a dirt bike. Disaster!

practice makes perfect....you wont get better not doing it :)

[fridayflash]

im rained off work today..tempted to grab my lil crf230 and go down the rive for a mudblast:rolleyes: