Crashes, Falls and Drops [Archive]

Juniper

17th May 2013, 23:04

How often do these really happen around us?

Reason I'm asking is that I have really only been riding for just over a month. And in that time I've had around me 5 crashes, falls or drops.

A friend wrote off his bike doing 30 round a corner (for once doing nothing stupid)
Same friend just wrote off his new bike (we suspect) tonight. As soon as he text me I called him before my helmet was even off.
Another friend brought me his mates written off bike that had happened on the Harbour Bridge that afternoon. So that I could see what happens when one goes over a car that stops suddenly.
A club that I belong to sent a news letter out and in it mentioned that someone had crashed and was in surgery.
At work a person that was meant to be interviewing dropped his bike in Orewa and was in hospital.

This has all happened in the space of a month. And tbh for a learner is a little daunting. Yes I am learning my lesions from others mistakes. But some of these riders were/are seasoned riders that know what they are doing.

ducatilover

17th May 2013, 23:07

I think you might be causing crashes.

Berries

17th May 2013, 23:16

Yes I am learning my lesions from others mistakes.
I am pretty sure that you can get a cream for that.

Subike

17th May 2013, 23:18

The End

17th May 2013, 23:19

Gremlin

17th May 2013, 23:43

It depends on the group you're in, the riders, and the attitude etc.

On a blunt note, be happy it's just crashes. I ended up having to find more friends, as too many died or gave up after having friends die. I think it was about 6 deaths of people I knew in 4 years, or thereabouts.

Group I ride with now (well, when all schedules allow) encourage skilled riding, and even a ticket is a bit of a talking point as they don't occur too often. Doesn't mean you can't have fun, but you won't see us barrelling along at 200 clicks.

Find a group that suits you.

bogan

17th May 2013, 23:46

Do you ride with your tits out or something? You're only supposed to do that when all riders are stationary.

EJK

18th May 2013, 00:40

Wow Katman will love your friends.

blackdog

18th May 2013, 01:14

..but you won't see us barrelling along at 200 clicks...

Jeezuz, old man. I reckon you think barrelling is for bourbon. By 200 you must mean miles?

I'll pretend I'm still young and do the freaky speeds at track days. 200 kph is a weekday ride through the 'rapa.

Gremlin

18th May 2013, 02:12

I'll pretend I'm still young and do the freaky speeds at track days. 200 kph is a weekday ride through the 'rapa.
I had a moment of ... uh ... clarity, when standing in front of the judge pleading for a work licence after I collected too many collectables too quickly.

Stressful, need my licence for my job... noticed it's a damn sight cheaper staying within the law on many fronts. :rolleyes:

Juniper

18th May 2013, 06:27

I would be looking for a different group of people to ride with for a start.
The group I ride with has has 3 offs in 8 years that I know of,
Thats a group numbering around 60 different riders of all levels of experience

It depends on the group you're in, the riders, and the attitude etc.

Find a group that suits you.

Oh sorry I don't know the other examples but the one who dropped last night. He's been riding 14 years full time and done a couple of silly drops in his time mainly when he was a kid but never written off.

Juniper

18th May 2013, 06:31

Do you ride with your tits out or something? You're only supposed to do that when all riders are stationary.

I've almost caused crashes checking out, but never being checked out that I know of.

Juniper

18th May 2013, 06:43

On a blunt note, be happy it's just crashes. I ended up having to find more friends, as too many died or gave up after having friends die. I think it was about 6 deaths of people I knew in 4 years, or thereabouts.

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6?! That is a lot of death to be around 1 person at this age. I think that really does lift the curtain on the Rose tinted glasses.

I'm not quitting. Even after what I knew in the background, but what I thought was only a rare occurrence, has been amplified in reality.
I will just learn to be much more aware of my environment.

Juniper

18th May 2013, 06:46

Then there is someone like me who in 5 years of riding (from nothing, not even a car) has never dropped or crashed a bike, seen an accident happen or know of anyone involved in an accident.

I just hope that trend continues :msn-wink:

I'll hang around you then!! Hope your trend rubs off.

Does lying on my driveway laughing with the bike on top o me count as a drop? We were pretty much stationary.

Maha

18th May 2013, 07:41

I'll hang around you then!! Hope your trend rubs off.

Does lying on my driveway laughing with the bike on top o me count as a drop? We were pretty much stationary.

Drops (unlike crashes) happen to almost everyone at some stage. I have a had my license for 34 years an never had an accident. I have however, dropped bikes (stationary drops) on two occasions.
Four rider deaths off the top of my head, have been so the because of the rider. Vigilance wins every time over complacency.

'seasoned riders that know what they are doing'... I know of someone in that category that has dropped/crashed more bikes than I have own. Nobody is exempt from the odd failure.

nerrrd

18th May 2013, 08:10

Motorcycling's a risky business, no doubt, it's also a very personal one IMHO. So I wouldn't worry too much about what's happening to the people around you, since when you're on the bike it's you and only you who can manage your own risk. We all make mistakes, though, being human, so nothing is 100% safe, and learning from other's mistakes can be helpful.

I'm another who's been fortunate enough to have been riding mostly in and around Auckland city for 20 odd years or more and had one low speed crash on the road in that time - my own fault. Other than that I've managed to manage the risks in a way which works for me: ride well within my abilities, don't assume anything when it comes to other traffic, make sure I position myself where I can be seen or others expect to see me etc.

Last time I ended up with the bike on the ground was in front of a line of traffic at the entrance to a service station after a brain fade going over a wet plastic judder bar :laugh:...I wish that had been my own driveway.

BigAl

18th May 2013, 08:16

The environment plays a big part in risk involved for collisions eg riding in traffic, slippery conditions etc. learn to identify these and ride accordingly.

Drops and single vehicle crashes are usually solely the riders fault and once again try to learn how to identify, eg instruction, track days.

Saying that 'shit always happens' and in 25+ years riding I've only dropped a stationary bike once and had a minor drop of traillie on the road(front wash out on metal at night)

Fwiw:msn-wink:

CBR4ME

18th May 2013, 08:43

Seven years On the road 100000km under my belt & no problems then one day i drop the bike in the driveway while moving it to take a photo.

:facepalm:

Juniper

18th May 2013, 08:47

duckonin

18th May 2013, 08:51

But some of these riders were/are seasoned riders that know what they are doing.

Were / are seasoned riders. I would think not..:no: Go get yourself some good training. No substitute for time on the road and a quick mind set. But first you have to have a few clues about what you are doing.

Maha

18th May 2013, 08:56

Fwiw?

Ok hearing these I've not had crashes posts are comforting lol.

Does anyone know our stats? How many riders we have currently and how many crashes and fatalities we have a year?

Don't get caught up with statistics, your concentration should solely be on you not becoming one.
If the subject matter is of concern to you, can I suggest that you get in touch with a Licensed Instructor for a couple of hours (maybe more) tutor?.. there are Female Instructors near you.
Being such a new rider and riding with other new riders all the time will not help further your road craft...or ease the intimidation of riding with cars (other bikes) around you.

http://www.rcsom.co.nz/

CBR4ME

18th May 2013, 08:59

Fwiw?

Ok hearing these I've not had crashes posts are comforting lol.

Does anyone know our stats? How many riders we have currently and how many crashes and fatalities we have a year?

No idea on the Stats of crashing and fatalites ...... But i can tell you my stats on how much fun & enjoyment i have every time i swing my leg over the bike ...... approx F@#KIN HEAPS

Juniper

18th May 2013, 09:11

Don't get caught up with statistics, your concentration should solely be on you not becoming one.
If the subject matter is of concern to you, can I suggest that you get in touch with a Licensed Instructor for a couple of hours (maybe more) tutor?.. there are Female Instructors near you.
Being such a new rider and riding with other new riders all the time will not help further your road craft...or ease the intimidation of riding with cars (other bikes) around you.

http://www.rcsom.co.nz/

Why would I want female? My advantage is that I don't have a penis to worry about squishing into the tank. My disadvantage is lack of strength.

Though yes I do need to get proper instruction. Mates or random people on KB lol offering and all that is fine and dandy but yes, your right instruction would be good.

I want to be a statistic. A statistic of riders who have not killed themselves or others and have not seriously damaged their bikes but enjoys riding on a regular basis.

I do tho still want to know the other stats.

Maha

18th May 2013, 09:30

Why would I want female? My advantage is that I don't have a penis to worry about squishing into the tank. My disadvantage is lack of strength.

Though yes I do need to get proper instruction. Mates or random people on KB lol offering and all that is fine and dandy but yes, your right instruction would be good.

I want to be a statistic. A statistic of riders who have not killed themselves or others and have not seriously damaged their bikes but enjoys riding on a regular basis.

I do tho still want to know the other stats.

Any Licensed Instructor will be suffice. I now firmly believe that's what you need for typing such things as ''Like the gentle egging to push limits'' and ''That's why I bought leather. I want an open casket'' coming from a new rider maybe just bullshit/bravado and hype, but do yourself a favour and put paid to those comments by enrolling sooner rather than later.

nodrog

18th May 2013, 09:40

So you know DMNTD then? Say hi for me.

davebullet

18th May 2013, 09:41

I've had about 3 stationary drops (all within the first 6 months) and one crash in about 6 years of riding. all were 100% my fault. a bad rider crashes and blames someone else. a good rider may crash but acknowledge he was to blame. a great rider realises he can prevent "accidents" and never crashes

davebullet

18th May 2013, 09:44

Why would I want female? My advantage is that I don't have a penis to worry about squishing into the tank. My disadvantage is lack of strength.

Though yes I do need to get proper instruction. Mates or random people on KB lol offering and all that is fine and dandy but yes, your right instruction would be good.

I want to be a statistic. A statistic of riders who have not killed themselves or others and have not seriously damaged their bikes but enjoys riding on a regular basis.

I do tho still want to know the other stats.

my partner is slim and rides a 230kg bonneville no problems. it comes down to technique and planning ahead (ie. don't park down a slope facing downhill etc..) and that applies to all of us really. once you get experience, good mentoring and develop technique and confidence, you won't worry about strength.

Juniper

18th May 2013, 09:57

Any Licensed Instructor will be suffice. I now firmly believe that's what you need for typing such things as ''Like the gentle egging to push limits'' and ''That's why I bought leather. I want an open casket'' coming from a new rider maybe just bullshit/bravado and hype, but do yourself a favour and put paid to those comments by enrolling sooner rather than later.

Sorry I my not have introduced my morbid, sadistic, sardonic and totally inappropriate sense of humour and seriousness of the Internet.
If my comments seem off or strange it probably means I am taking the piss while analysing the seriousness (or lack there of) of the situation or topic.

I commend you on your wonderful memory. And yes as I have said I have taken heed of your advice and will seek out an instructor.
Though I still do enjoy my gentle egging. As without it I would sit there looking at my bike still too scared to get on it. But knowing someone else is just like me we can take the steps together. Like planning to go to lessons together so that we aren't there by ourselves.

Juniper

18th May 2013, 09:59

so you know dmntd then? Say hi for me.

....dmntd???

nzspokes

18th May 2013, 10:06

Go see Phil at Riderskills. Worth every cent.

Make sure your bike is set up for you so things like reaching levers etc are not a distraction.

Juniper

18th May 2013, 10:13

Go see Phil at Riderskills. Worth every cent.

Make sure your bike is set up for you so things like reaching levers etc are not a distraction.

Yes that is the first thing I checked when my friend and I went shopping for bikes. I can touch the ground on both sides and bend my knees, in flat shoes. I can lift it from a 45degree angle. And The leavers have been pulled in so that I can reach.

nerrrd

18th May 2013, 10:50

If the subject matter is of concern to you, can I suggest that you get in touch with a Licensed Instructor for a couple of hours (maybe more) tutor?

Go get yourself some good training. No substitute for time on the road and a quick mind set. But first you have to have a few clues about what you are doing

Go see Phil at Riderskills. Worth every cent.

+1 to all of these, if you're planning some lessons you're on to it :niceone:.

Glowerss

18th May 2013, 11:04

Only been riding a year and a half now, but spend an hour+ filtering through traffic 5 days a week and a fair bit of time out in the country on the weekends.

I've yet to drop/crash or any other mishap. From personal experience, I've found the thing is to be aware as possible of what's going around you(and to remind myself to not daydream and focus), and to never become complacent. Complacency is when you start dropping things because you think the kickstand is fully extended, or you assume that driver making the turn sees you. The challenge is to constantly be on top of things and not let yourself slack off.

And a big +1 to training. Shit's invaluable. I did about 3-4 training days when ACC was doing a big round of subsidized training this time last year. Was worth every cent.

Road kill

18th May 2013, 11:14

When I started riding I dropped an crashed heaps.
In the garage a few.
In drive ways and through their closely related fuckin'hedges.
Outside takeaways when I was showing off.
On gravel roads within the first 100 yards of discovering what a gravel road was.
Last time on a corner I've ridden since 1972,,,,somebody put tar an pea metal all the way round it but didn't put up a sign.
So I speared straight off the road down the bank and under a deer fence but I missed several large south Waikato rocks on the way down the bank so was actually feeling good about that until I hit the fence an went back to not so good again....

That was 12 years ago and the last off before that would of been about 8 years previous so my luck is increasing all the time.:niceone:

mrchips

18th May 2013, 11:31

Seven years On the road 100000km under my belt & no problems then one day i drop the bike in the driveway while moving it to take a photo.

:facepalm:

+ 1

I knocked my indicator off walking past my bike in the garage. While turning around to see what the fuss was all about i managing to bump a 150 x 150 fencepost leaning against the garage wall which then proceeded to fall in slow motion, onto one of my sv's prestine yoshi's :(

SVboy

18th May 2013, 12:03

Calling Katman to the keyboard please? Your thread has landed!

bosslady

18th May 2013, 15:16

Don't get caught up with statistics, your concentration should solely be on you not becoming one.
If the subject matter is of concern to you, can I suggest that you get in touch with a Licensed Instructor for a couple of hours (maybe more) .
Being such a new rider and riding with other new riders all the time will not help further your road craft...or ease the intimidation of riding with cars (other bikes) around

I totally agree with all of this Mark. Do your research on instructors and as soon as you can save up the coin, go and get one or even several lessons, I cannot express how valuable tuition is. Just make sure you have an open mind as to what's being instructed and the balls to realise and admit that maybe some of the shit you've been doing so far isn't quite right and then putting into practice all these new skills which eventually, will become a habit and second nature really, this is what I've had to do. I've had 3 lessons and one training day with a group of 4 others as well as 5 or 6 (non tutored) track days and have another lesson coming up soon. I've still HEAPS to learn and will continue to get more lessons or training days. I've done more than 11, 000kms now in just over 5 months of riding on the mway, open road, the track etc. and haven't had a crash and I push myself pretty hard, beyond my skill level maybe, just gotta remember the things I've learnt, slow down, think, breathe and keep goin on. I rode to Taupo last night in the cold and rain with piss poor visibility... still alive! Just wet... You are or can be better than you think, sooner than you think. Me, I don't give it a second thought about other people crashing etc. as like Mark said, I just concentrate on not being one of them and thus far I guess it's served me well, I've never even had anything I'd call a near miss apart from a naughty truck coming up a hill around a blind corner on a one lane road! Get tutorage, as soon as you can and surround yourself with safe, experienced and responsible riders. When you learn the necessary skills to survive on the road, it really opens the doors for you to start having heaps of fun on the road! You sound stubborn like me, so I am sure you won't give up, stick at it, concentrate on the positive and you will get there :)

Subike

18th May 2013, 15:26

I totally agree with all of this Mark. Do your research on instructors and as soon as you can save up the coin, go and get one or even several lessons, I cannot express how valuable tuition is. Just make sure you have an open mind as to what's being instructed and the balls to realise and admit that maybe some of the shit you've been doing so far isn't quite right and then putting into practice all these new skills which eventually, will become a habit and second nature really, this is what I've had to do. I've had 3 lessons and one training day with a group of 4 others as well as 5 or 6 (non tutored) track days and have another lesson coming up soon. I've still HEAPS to learn and will continue to get more lessons or training days. I've done more than 11, 000kms now in just over 5 months of riding on the mway, open road, the track etc. and haven't had a crash and I push myself pretty hard, beyond my skill level maybe, just gotta remember the things I've learnt, slow down, think, breathe and keep goin on. I rode to Taupo last night in the cold and rain with piss poor visibility... still alive! Just wet... You are or can be better than you think, sooner than you think. Me, I don't give it a second thought about other people crashing etc. as like Mark said, I just concentrate on not being one of them and thus far I guess it's served me well, I've never even had anything I'd call a near miss apart from a naughty truck coming up a hill around a blind corner on a one lane road! Get tutorage, as soon as you can and surround yourself with safe, experienced and responsible riders. When you learn the necessary skills to survive on the road, it really opens the doors for you to start having heaps of fun on the road! You sound stubborn like me, so I am sure you won't give up, stick at it, concentrate on the positive and you will get there :)

Now listen to this learner, she knows, got lots of respect around here for trying very hard to be a learner and nothing more

cheshirecat

18th May 2013, 16:16

After an initial few self inflicted stuff ups in my youth, when ever that was, I now seem to be doing OK (bit superstitious here) None of my riding friends here have had anything serious like bike write offs or broken bones, but then I no longer ride the groups. I here of prangs from weekend riders going over the 'Rappa, but hear or read in local newspapers relatively few local MC prangs and even fewer prangs from riders without all that protective clothing whilst commuting.

Jezxa

18th May 2013, 16:34

I've haven't had a drop or fall in my 1.5 years of riding. As other have said, good training is invaluable and has definitely helped me a lot.

I have had one crash though which was my fault. The bike was written off but I walked away with just minor bruising because I was wearing all the gear.

orangeback

18th May 2013, 17:35

Me I seam to fall every 5 to 7 years , it's not if it's when ,
i use to ride a lot , around 30.000 a year but since over late I only get in about 5k if I'm Lucky . That's all types of riding as well ,
I've broken my back ,and wrist in 6 places , with a high side.
Broke ribs , while crashstarting a bike .
Broke thumb , tucking front on motard .
I've been run of the road by 1 car , and another by a bike . Both minor crashes ,
If you'r going to ride over a long period of time you'll have stories like these , everybody got them.
IT'S NOT IF IT'S WHEN

Juniper

18th May 2013, 18:42

Calling Katman to the keyboard please? Your thread has landed!

Warning Mr Katman whoever you may be. Only he who is blameless may cast the first stone.

I cannot speak for the others but I know my friend was a sensible rider. Particularly cautious in the wet, which is when it happened last night. Even so much so that before I started riding myself (and got caught in that thunder storm) I scoffed at his cautiousness.

Juniper

18th May 2013, 18:45

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IT'S NOT IF IT'S WHEN

Yea as soon as I considered riding that was what I decided to live by. That's why when I did drop it that first time I was lying in my driveway with my bike on top of me laughing hysterically. It was like 'yes it's finally happened!!'

Katman

18th May 2013, 18:48

IT'S NOT IF IT'S WHEN

Bollocks .

Juniper

18th May 2013, 18:51

Now listen to this learner, she knows, got lots of respect around here for trying very hard to be a learner and nothing more

Oh I agree with her, however long the post may be lol.

duckonin

18th May 2013, 18:54

Warning Mr Katman whoever you may be. Only he who is blameless may cast the first stone.

I cannot speak for the others but I know my friend was a sensible rider. Particularly cautious in the wet, which is when it happened last night. Even so much so that before I started riding myself (and got caught in that thunder storm) I scoffed at his cautiousness.

Warning Mr Katman ha ha. Do not, Don't fuck with katman, he will leave an ever lasting scratch right up your 'learners' arse. Still that maybe a good thing for you anyway.:rolleyes:

Maha

18th May 2013, 18:55

Bollocks .

Agreed...to live/ride by that, you'll have to be overly cautious, when being vigilant and riding within your limit/comfort zone, should ensure a blissful time on the road for the most part.

bosslady

18th May 2013, 18:56

Oh I agree with her, however long the post may be lol.

You can choose to take what I said in, or leave it, tis up to you. I just think you are missing out on SO MUCH FUN. Mind you some people won't think some of the things I do are fun, they'll just think I'm a tard.

sugilite

18th May 2013, 19:25

You can choose to take what I said in, or leave it, tis up to you. I just think you are missing out on SO MUCH FUN. Mind you some people won't think some of the things I do are fun, they'll just think I'm a tard.

Your not quite there yet, though your next bike could upgrade you to a mo-tard :lol:

Juniper

18th May 2013, 19:25

Warning Mr Katman ha ha. Do not, Don't fuck with katman, he will leave an ever lasting scratch right up your 'learners' arse. Still that maybe a good thing for you anyway.:rolleyes:

Scratch away. I've never claimed to be a thing but a green lemon with her training wheels still on :baby: A few of those lesson places have that you have to be able to go 80km + to do the course. I finally got to 100km on the motorway the other night. Weeeeeee. Now I can actually do the motorway I can ride to those learner courses. (As long as I don't have to take the bridge lol)
I would like to do NASS but alas it is on a Wednesday and its winter. So by the time 7.30 rolls round it's too dark and tbh I'd rather learn when I can see the road properly. Bring on summer!!!

I'm keen to do a track day like Bosslady! When I've done some training lol and have the balls to actually get to the track!!

But please do keep on topic. If you want to flame me please post here: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/158359-North-Shore-and-new-(Juniper)

The topic is Crashes, Falls and Drops.

I don't see much in the media about bike crashes. Compared to cars where x amount of people were hurt or killed.

Angel_of_Metal

18th May 2013, 19:40

Well I am glad that I saw this thread now - I shall now make sure to bring my new bike *nowhere* near you!!

Juniper

18th May 2013, 19:47

Well I am glad that I saw this thread now - I shall now make sure to bring my new bike *nowhere* near you!!

Haha your already cursed just by me knowing you! Looking up your pics in a min.

Berries

19th May 2013, 00:48

I've broken my back ,and wrist in 6 places , with a high side.
Broke ribs , while crashstarting a bike .
Broke thumb , tucking front on motard .
I've been run of the road by 1 car , and another by a bike . Both minor crashes ,
If you'r going to ride over a long period of time you'll have stories like these , everybody got them.
IT'S NOT IF IT'S WHEN
Complete and utter shit. I have ridden all year, all weather, in shit weather places like Dunedin and northern Scotland for over 20 years and have never crashed. Having an attitude of it not being if but when pretty much guarantees it being if not when IMHO. If I had suffered the injuries you had I would have given up bikes years ago. Can you not take a hint?

EDIT - In light of the thread title I have to admit to dropping it while stationary four times now.

Berries

19th May 2013, 01:04

Double mf post.

LBD

19th May 2013, 01:09

On a ligher note, I witnessed a spill last night in Udon Thani, where an old guy dropped is scoot on a busy street in the wet... he got up limping, picked his bike up...with a few helpers, and pushed it up onto the foot path. He had a bit of bark off, was bleeding a bit and had torn his trousers, what does he do? He pulls a towel from his luggage, wraps it around not his bleeding scrapes...:no:.... but around his waist, takes his trousers off and hands then to a street vender to sew up, waits, puts them back on and starts up and rides off...still bleeding.

Juniper

19th May 2013, 06:27

Juniper

19th May 2013, 06:50

Complete and utter shit. I have ridden all year, all weather, in shit weather places like Dunedin and northern Scotland for over 20 years and have never crashed. Having an attitude of it not being if but when pretty much guarantees it being if not when IMHO. If I had suffered the injuries you had I would have given up bikes years ago. Can you not take a hint?

EDIT - In light of the thread title I have to admit to dropping it while stationary four times now.

Is not Guaranteeing that I will fall. It's preparing me for when and IF I do fall it's not the end of the world (figuratively speaking) I can get up, brush myself off and get right back on (if possible at the time, but I think you get my drift)

Reality of the situation is that I may not fall.

I have tried very hard to train that childhood notion of "I'm invincible" out of me. I've never been in a crash or seriously hurt against my will. With the mantra of "It's not if, it's when" I am now not one of those cocky newbies.

For me it is just a wise saying and strong possibility. And sensible for newbies to hear at least once.
For others it is a prediction. I also see these people as being realistic. You can't control every car or pine needle out there. As my friend is proof off.

Maybe it is that "I'm invincible" cockiness of mine that sees it only as a strong possibility.

orangeback

19th May 2013, 07:59

Maha

19th May 2013, 07:59

''Maybe it is that "I'm invincible" cockiness of mine that sees it only as a strong possibility''.

After reading that, I would say it's more of a certainty than a possibility. :rolleyes:

DMNTD

19th May 2013, 08:10

So you know DMNTD then? Say hi for me.

You're such a meanie head Gordon :no:

Juniper

19th May 2013, 08:46

''Maybe it is that "I'm invincible" cockiness of mine that sees it only as a strong possibility''.

After reading that, I would say it's more of a certainty than a possibility. :rolleyes:

Dude, seriously you may just want to ignore my posts. I'm no sure you understand where seriousness ends and sarcasm begins.

Does anyone know where I can find a sarcasm font?

Just to confirm: there may be a slight possibility that I may be one of those lucky ones that never have a fall. (This completes the strong possibility/high percentage of chance that I will) knowing me for however many years that I have I do believe that I will. Though before the fact there can never be a definitive statement made.

Everybody believes that there is a possibility. Otherwise we would all be riding around naked with no protection on.
My definitive statement is that if anyone believes otherwise, that there is no possibility they will ever fall off a motorbike (relative to those who ride on motorbikes, if you never ride on a motorbike you probably won't fall off one) has, as someone said, their head in the clouds. And I hope they have good life insurance!!

(To confirm the last sentence was me being cheeky)

Maha

19th May 2013, 08:51

Dude, all you have to is add p/t (pisstake) at the end and all is well ...either that or stop posting dribble just to draw attention to yourself, up to you.

Berries

19th May 2013, 09:02

oh if i could be the perfect rider like yourself and Kaman.
walking around with your head in the clouds, thinking nothing will ever happen to me, you cannot control all the elements, no matter how carful you may ride.
There are quite a few people posting in this thread saying that they have never crashed on the road, I don't expect any of them would say they are perfect. I certainly wouldn't. Every time I get on the bike I think something will happen to me, every time I go through an intersection I think the same. So far it hasn't because I don't ride with my head in the clouds, unlike many.

as for giving up on riding / bikes years a go, that show how soft you you are.
I think if I had crashed all those times and suffered all those injuries I would have taken the hint and got four wheels before I paralysed myself. Every five years is not a good average is it?

nzmikey

19th May 2013, 09:10

You will bin ( go for a slide or a fly ) & there will be fuck all you can do about it .... I know I am going to ... I have not yet but I know I will & it will fucking hurt ( since I do things proper like ) .

In short just ride ( during daylight ) like I have said MANY TIMES BEFORE & hone your skills a bit, dont be in a rush to try & keep up with us bigger folk .

With time comes skill & confidence ... just make sure that it is in that order & you will be fine .

As far as I am concerned Auckland is :first: for being shitty driver territory with Wellington coming a close :second: get a couple of thou km's on the bike before you even look at lane splitting down the motorway.
You need to be comfortable at 100kmh & know your surroundings before you attempt to squeeze through cars while they are stopped ( going slow ) & you are going between them .

& Last but least ... KB is full of fuckwits, pick & choose advice carefully . ( Read that as only people that are accredited are worth listening to )

As you were :baby:

Katman

19th May 2013, 09:20

leathel

19th May 2013, 09:39

I got my bike license at 15 and have owned bikes all my life....but have gone without road bikes at times... I have crashed on the road once and it was all me.
Who knew that taking the bike XR600 to work with the dirt tyres still on to "wake me up" after a hard night on the piss and crossing white lines was a bad idea :rolleyes:

Ride with your eyes wide open and think that everyone might pull out on you... Ride near the center of the lane when no-one is in font of you so that if there is a person park on the side of the road you go around and if some one cuts the corner you are safe ..... If in a cue of traffic its different.

I have friends that have lost family members on bike crashes and dont like the fact I ride but most of those that died were pushing it.... fast and race lines and not being able to avoid parked vehicles on the inside line was the cause for two of them, Plain speed and cars pulling out in front of them another cause

I am on a cruiser now to lessen that chance of loosing my license as when I don't have a dirt bike running to thrash to blow the cobwebs out, you can have the cruiser pushed to the edge on windy stuff....without breaking open road speed limits to much....or risking yourself to much. I have had dickheads pull out on me several times on the cruiser (black bike and black leathers) and I am blown away I managed to avoid a couple....but being well within your limits gives you the ability to avoid, I am doing things to make the bike more visable to... to try and limit the risk.

Ride safe and enjoy the ride :D

Drew

19th May 2013, 09:46

Blah blah blah. Look how cool I am...
IT'S NOT IF IT'S WHENTotal dribble. Needs to be ignored.

Bollocks .What this mofo says.

Now, crashing is something I am somewhat of an expert at. With the exception of one woman pulling out in front of me, every one was through stupid decisions on my part. I should have been able to avoid the failing to stop bitch too, but sleep deprivation slowed my already less than optimal cognitive prowess.

Instruction, hours in the seat, and observation will keep your arse unscathed. There are many people out there who don't know the pain of a bike on top of them/car flying under them/footpeg through an ankle. I envy every one of them.

nzmikey

19th May 2013, 09:49

With that attitude, of course you will.

Oh I feel so honoured to be quoted by the great Katman .

I am not a God ( not sure about yourself tho ) so therefore I cant control EVERYTHING on the road, yes I can control my own actions but what I cant control is everything else .

EG: shit on the road , weather conditions , sheer bad luck , other drivers , act's of god ( your actions by the sounds of it )

I am a realist I accept myself ( along with others ) are not perfect we are all human so we are going to fuck up at some stage.
If I crash & end up all fucked up my family know to flip the switch as I will be pissed if I wake up a dribbling paraplegic.

Yeah I push limits & I am pretty sure you have once or twice in your life, if not then wow your a fucking Saint & should be the next pope .

I have also lost a few friends to bike, I have also got mates that have lost limbs from crashes ... shit happens .

/rant

Drew

19th May 2013, 09:55

Oh I feel so honoured to be quoted by the great Katman .

I am not a God ( not sure about yourself tho ) so therefore I cant control EVERYTHING on the road, yes I can control my own actions but what I cant control is everything else .

EG: shit on the road , weather conditions , sheer bad luck , other drivers , act's of god ( your actions by the sounds of it )

I am a realist I accept myself ( along with others ) are not perfect we are all human so we are going to fuck up at some stage.
If I crash & end up all fucked up my family know to flip the switch as I will be pissed if I wake up a dribbling paraplegic.

Yeah I push limits & I am pretty sure you have once or twice in your life, if not then wow your a fucking Saint & should be the next pope .

I have also lost a few friends to bike, I have also got mates that have lost limbs from crashes ... shit happens .

/rant

Hehehehe, I have made every single one of those arguments when trying to convince Katman. If you try and take in what the grumpy cunt is saying, you too might change your tune.

If not, it's all good. It is always entertaining to read, no matter how often the same shit gets said.

nzmikey

19th May 2013, 10:00

Hehehehe, I have made every single one of those arguments when trying to convince Katman. If you try and take in what the grumpy cunt is saying, you too might change your tune.

If not, it's all good. It is always entertaining to read, no matter how often the same shit gets said.

That was my 1st time being quoted by him ... I felt all giddy inside ... & a wee bit turned on .

Kickaha

19th May 2013, 10:01

Hehehehe, I have made every single one of those arguments when trying to convince Katman. If you try and take in what the grumpy cunt is saying, you too might change your tune.

Katman makes a lot more sense than some knob telling people they will crash

nzmikey

19th May 2013, 10:03

Katman makes a lot more sense than some knob telling people they will crash

Hey come on, she has been on the back of my bike several times ... she aint smacked me yet for anything that I have done

Juniper

19th May 2013, 10:14

Hey come on, she has been on the back of my bike several times ... she aint smacked me yet for anything that I have done

Whose 'she'? The fucking cats mother lol.

nzmikey

19th May 2013, 10:18

Whose 'she'? The fucking cats mother lol.

well if you want to be correct about it ... yes, yes she is the cats mother ... x2 of them I am led to believe :bleh:

Right now get of KB & fuck off for a ride :banana:

Juniper

19th May 2013, 10:26

well if you want to be correct about it ... yes, yes she is the cats mother ... x2 of them I am led to believe :bleh:

Right now get of KB & fuck off for a ride :banana:

On or off? Eyes are bad you see and this is a tiny phone. :bleh:

Subike

19th May 2013, 11:13

You know, outside right now it is raining, a constant light wetting rain, Most of you would look out there and go, TV time.
Me, looked out there and thought, mmm, no wind , its warm, its wet, ride time...
I found no slippery spots, nothing to be wary of, just wet roads and fun.
How? At a pace heaps slower than I do in the dry, I rode to the conditions.
Doubled my braking distances, bla bla bla
Thats all you need to do, ride within the limits of your bike and skills, falls will not happen.
Expand you skill on track days or with training/mentor sessions. Not on the road where an error hurts.

Juniper

19th May 2013, 11:42

Katman

19th May 2013, 12:08

I don't see much in the media about bike crashes. Compared to cars where x amount of people were hurt or killed.

Here you go.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/most-riders-at-fault-in-bike-crash-deaths/story-e6frfkp9-1226645968537

Woodman

19th May 2013, 12:50

Here you go.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/most-riders-at-fault-in-bike-crash-deaths/story-e6frfkp9-1226645968537

How dare you.........

Drew

19th May 2013, 14:09

Here you go.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/most-riders-at-fault-in-bike-crash-deaths/story-e6frfkp9-1226645968537

"And more than half the riders had alcohol or drugs in their system either above the legal limit or high enough to impair their judgment."

The section in italics, is why I didn't read any further. If they believe that anything under the legal limit impairs a drivers ability, the limit is too high.

So, if they wont take that step first, all the info they have is tainted.

Is the general public as stupid as the authorities think, or are the statistic gatherers/reporters too fucking stupid to correlate the right information to start with?

Katman

19th May 2013, 14:29

"And more than half the riders had alcohol or drugs in their system either above the legal limit or high enough to impair their judgment."

The section in italics, is why I didn't read any further. If they believe that anything under the legal limit impairs a drivers ability, the limit is too high.

Unfortunately, many motorcyclists don't even need drugs or alcohol to have impaired judgement.

Madness

19th May 2013, 14:31

The average Australian would need only to look at a bottle of beer to be mentally impaired.

Drew

19th May 2013, 14:38

Unfortunately, many motorcyclists don't even need drugs or alcohol to have impaired judgement.I couldn't agree more. But if the argument for "targeting motorcyclists" is as has been said there, I have a huge problem with it.

Fuck sakes. Bureaucrats exist, purely as pedants. Attention to detail is their job. If an idiot like me can see an obvious flaw in a 'report', we are fuckin doomed from the get go.

Dogboy900

19th May 2013, 15:36

"The stats also tell a grim story about risk-taking," he said. "Most had drugs or alcohol in their system and most had a history of traffic offences. Put those two things together with the extremely high risk that comes with being a new or returned motorcycle rider and we are talking about a very, very high risk of being involved in a serious or fatal traffic accident."

Read more: http://www.perthnow.com.au/breaking-news/most-riders-at-fault-in-bike-crash-deaths/story-e6frfkp9-1226645968537#ixzz2TW6dTf2R

Doesn't seem a very balanced or scientific article really.
Residual traces of drugs or alcohol which are below the limit? A history of traffic offences?

Having a few parking tickets or speeding tickets in the past does not mean you are responsible for an accident later.
Having a beer the night before does not mean you are responsible for an accident later.
There were no contrary "statistics" saying that most car drivers involed in accidents were any different.

The whole article looks like sensationalist bullshit to me. If they want people to actually take it seriously they should probably write an article that actually backs up what they are trying to say.

Yes we as motorcyclists need to watch out for ourselves, we need to not endanger other road users, but that article is just an excuse to persecute bike riders.

Dogboy900

19th May 2013, 15:40

Oh on the bright side I am not a new or returning bike rider, I hardly ever drink these days, don't take drugs, Haven't had a speeding ticket for about 8 years so the police in WA will probably consider me a low risk and leave me alone :)

bosslady

19th May 2013, 15:49

You know, outside right now it is raining, a constant light wetting rain, Most of you would look out there and go, TV time.

Well it's tv time for me now and I deserve it! I don't have a problem riding in the wet, I do have a problem though with riding in wind and rain so torrential I can't even see the tail lights of the car ahead of me. Almost pooed myself! So nice to be back at home in Auckland! I was hoping I wouldn't have a crash too cause that would make my long winded post earlier seem pretty stupid...

PrincessBandit

19th May 2013, 17:09

Everyone knows that you're considerably more vulnerable on two wheels than on four in a metal can. However some of the posts here make me think WTF are you doing on a motorbike? Yes I have dropped my bike - on more than one occasion - it's heavy and although I've stopped it going over a few times with immense concentration and willing my arms and legs to keep it upright, it's still made it to the ground a few times; yes I have had one serious crash (my mind distracted by the task at my destination rather than focussed on my ride). Boy was that a lesson in keeping my mind on what was happening around me when on the bike.

But I never go out with the mentality of expecting that at some stage I'll crash again - it's NOT inevitable - or that I am likely to drop my bike. As a learner/n00b I understand (and can still remember those days) that you may feel this way but generally these things happen when you're distracted. You need to continually develop your situational awareness, not get lackadaisical about what you are doing (because that WILL end up biting you in the arse), and preferably attend rider training sessions with a qualified instructor. Riding with a trusted and experienced fellow rider can also be of great benefit.

In case some of you don't realise it, katman's mentor statement is something along the lines of "it's not about going faster, it's about staying alive" (check in the mentor thread if you want to see who has written what about their mentor status). He rarely apologises for anything he writes - usually you get the blunt version, he doesn't do sugarcoated and warm fuzzies - but he DOES know what he's talking about.

PrincessBandit

19th May 2013, 17:12

- but he DOES know what he's talking about.

Ooops, should have added "about motorbikes and riding", just to be specific...:msn-wink:

BigAl

19th May 2013, 17:40

Ooops, should have added "about motorbikes and riding", just to be specific...:msn-wink:

Katman does have some relevent advice but its a pity that he's so deluded on his crusade.

Perhaps he's in need of crucifixion to be really worthy!

Drew

19th May 2013, 17:46

Katman does have some relevent advice but its a pity that he's so deluded on his crusade.

Perhaps he's in need of crucifixion to be really worthy!

I think that's not true. He gets flamed for telling people it's almost always their own fault, no one likes it so they battle and try to belittle him.

I did it too, I just happen to have woken up at some point....He's still a cunt though.

Mom

19th May 2013, 17:54

Everyone knows that you're considerably more vulnerable on two wheels than on four in a metal can. However some of the posts here make me think WTF are you doing on a motorbike? Yes I have dropped my bike - on more than one occasion - it's heavy and although I've stopped it going over a few times with immense concentration and willing my arms and legs to keep it upright, it's still made it to the ground a few times; yes I have had one serious crash (my mind distracted by the task at my destination rather than focussed on my ride). Boy was that a lesson in keeping my mind on what was happening around me when on the bike.

But I never go out with the mentality of expecting that at some stage I'll crash again - it's NOT inevitable - or that I am likely to drop my bike. As a learner/n00b I understand (and can still remember those days) that you may feel this way but generally these things happen when you're distracted. You need to continually develop your situational awareness, not get lackadaisical about what you are doing (because that WILL end up biting you in the arse), and preferably attend rider training sessions with a qualified instructor. Riding with a trusted and experienced fellow rider can also be of great benefit.

I could have written this post myself, the only difference is I have not crashed. Almost every bike I have ever owned has been on the ground though, blame the short legs syndrome. I have had my license since *cough* 1976, and apart from a few years when my babies were young and needed a mommy at home have ridden most of the years since. I never go out expecting to have a crash and ride appropriately to ensure I don't. The mind set that it WILL happen to you is something that is quite distressing. I learned to ride off road, and fell off many times fooling around on the dirt. When I started riding on the road ( for years a bike was my only transport) I had the mind set that I simply was not going to have a crash and thankfully I haven't.

To the OP, change your way of thinking and as many others have said, get yourself some training. I can thoroughly recommend Tricia 1000 from Roadcraft School of Motorcycling, she is fantastic and well worth every penny spent.

Tigadee

21st May 2013, 09:25

Juniper - What you can do is learn from others' and your own experiences. Single out those circumstances that led to each incident and burn it into your memory so that you recognise the same situation in the future before it occurs.

I've had too many drops and one crash, and every reason for them is now seared into my brain and I never ever want to go through them again... Poor throttle control while doing a U-turn, parking the wrong way on a slope, turning too slow or wrong direction on a slope, forgetting the side-stand, slipping on wet leaves, not recognising that a driver in front was stopped but not on brakes, etc.

All my fault from lack of experience or forethought. Learn to read the 'traffic language' (like body language) by looking at how a car is moving within its lane, or looking 12 seconds ahead to read the traffic conditions ahead (as well as spotting that traffic police camera van or squad car! :msn-wink: ) and predicting how that will influence what's just in front of you...

Play the braking game. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVkXw3Ca4FY&list=SP7519C354CACBF142&index=1) It will not only help you learn to minimise the use of your brakes, but also helps you learn to read the traffic, predict and avoid. Roadcraft Notthingham's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix_SyWEwK2U&list=SPC062163835B4F220) got heaps of excellent safety tips, so run through them (not if you can, but you must and so should everyone).

Another important thing to remember is that it's better to avoid than to confront. Avoid an obstacle, avoid a dangerous situation, avoid that idiot who didn't indicate through the last turn, avoid that cyclist, etc.

If you've done your advance planning for every minute on the bike - looking for escape routes and spotting dodgy drivers - then swerving and avoiding a car 3 m in front of you that's suddenly braked is far more preferable than outright trying to brake and stop. Two brakes/tyres vs four is not much contest, and neither is car vs motorbike...

Juniper

21st May 2013, 09:31

Juniper - What you can do is learn from others' and your own experiences. Single out those circumstances that led to each incident and burn it into your memory so that you recognise the same situation in the future before it occurs.

I've had too many drops and one crash, and every reason for them is now seared into my brain and I never ever want to go through them again... Poor throttle control while doing a U-turn, parking the wrong way on a slope, turning too slow or wrong direction on a slope, forgetting the side-stand, slipping on wet leaves, not recognising that a driver in front was stopped but not on brakes, etc.

All my fault from lack of experience or forethought. Learn to read the 'traffic language' (like body language) by looking at how a car is moving within its lane, or looking 12 seconds ahead to read the traffic conditions ahead and predicting how that will influence what's just ahead of you (as well as spotting that traffic police camera van or squad car! :msn-wink: )...

Play the braking game.[/URL] It will not only help you learn to minimise the use of your brakes, but also helps you learn to read the traffic, predict and avoid. ]Roadcraft Notthingham's[/URL] got heaps of excellent safety tips, so run through them (not if you can, but you must and so should everyone).

Another important thing to remember is that it's better to avoid than to confront. Avoid an obstacle, avoid a dangerous situation, avoid that idiot who didn't indicate through the last turn, avoid that cyclist, etc.

If you've done your advance planning for every minute on the bike - looking for escape routes and spotting dodgy drivers - then swerving and avoiding a car 3 m in front of you that's suddenly braked is far more preferable than outright trying to brake and stop. Two brakes/tyres vs four is not much contest, and neither is car vs motorbike...

Best supportive advice so far. Thank you!!

bosslady

21st May 2013, 09:59

Best supportive advice so far. Thank you!!

Actually all the advice in this thread has been very good, IMO.

Katman

21st May 2013, 10:03

Juniper - What you can do is learn from others' and your own experiences. Single out those circumstances that led to each incident and burn it into your memory so that you recognise the same situation in the future before it occurs.

And that can only be done by dispassionately examining what happened.

"What would you know? You weren't there" ain't going to teach us anything.

Juniper

21st May 2013, 10:10

Actually all the advice in this thread has been very good, IMO.

Eh, I have found a bit of it a tad ranty and judgemental. There have been a few that I have found useful and most importantly supportive. And makes common sense to me.

Not everybody is the same, understand and comprehend things in different ways. (Restraining from going into my theological rant on comprehending and understanding different ways of people believing in their Deity/s or lack there of)

Tigadee

21st May 2013, 10:59

And that can only be done by dispassionately examining what happened.
"What would you know? You weren't there" ain't going to teach us anything.

True, so the storyteller has to be receptive to examining all the factors, including his own level of "tard-ness" while riding, contributing to the incident. If he/she can only lay blame on others, then he/she's not the best role model to learn from! :rolleyes:

bosslady

21st May 2013, 11:48

Eh, I have found a bit of it a tad ranty and judgemental. There have been a few that I have found useful and most importantly supportive. And makes common sense to me.

Not everybody is the same, understand and comprehend things in different ways. (Restraining from going into my theological rant on comprehending and understanding different ways of people believing in their Deity/s or lack there of)

You'll probably see what I mean eventually. Quite a few of the people that have posted in this thread in possibly not the "sweetest" way I've actually met personally and are super awesome people. It can be in the way other people deliver what they're saying and it usually helps if you've actually met them. It can be hard to read what people are saying just through words typed up on their computer or whatever and it's sometimes easy to get offended by it if you don't know them personally. I remember I got shitty at someone awhile ago who dared suggesting that a couple of instances of cars UNDERTAKING me (not on the motorway, just a normal road around my hood) could be my fault. Anyway, I actually listened to what they'd said and I regress, they were right, it was my fault for not positioning myself in my lane right and letting them think they could undertake me, I haven't had a problem since. I think most of the info in this thread has been useful/helpful (but as mentioned, possibly not delivered in a way that gels with you). The most unhelpful thing I've had is someone tell me that they hope a car cripples me, yea, that would be considered unsupportive I think...

Tigadee

21st May 2013, 12:01

You'll probably see what I mean eventually. Quite a few of the people that have posted in this thread in possibly not the "sweetest" way I've actually met personally and are super awesome people.

Sshhhhhhhh, think of their reputations! :laugh:

bosslady

21st May 2013, 12:32

Sshhhhhhhh, think of their reputations! :laugh:
Oh sorry I didn't mean you, you're a TOTAL Jerk :lol: trying to get me to lane split, like, what are you thinking?! :P

Tigadee

21st May 2013, 13:04

Oh sorry I didn't mean you, you're a TOTAL Jerk :lol: trying to get me to lane split, like, what are you thinking?!

:shit: Ahhhhhh! I didn't mean me!! :oi-grr:

I don't have a reputation, that's why I'm usually unnoticed (read: un-targeted) here in KB. I'm like a salad, pleasant but bland and easily forgotten, as opposed to some who are meaty or hearty but way too unhealthy, or tart and acidic and burns the gut, or way too spicy to swallow initially... :laugh:

BigAl

21st May 2013, 15:02

Quite a few of the people that have posted in this thread in possibly not the "sweetest" way I've actually met personally and are super awesome people.

at first I thought you were talking about Katman........

Drew

21st May 2013, 17:04

at first I thought you were talking about Katman........Prolly is. He let her ride his Katana...But not the good one.

bosslady

21st May 2013, 17:51

at first I thought you were talking about Katman........

Yes he's someone I've met several times that I would put in the category of super awesome.

Drew

21st May 2013, 17:52

Yes he's someone I've met several times that I would put in the category of super awesome.

And a cunt.

Lest we forget.

caseye

21st May 2013, 18:01

A G C then Drew????

I've seen the good one, but have never been allowed within touching distance. Awesome machine.

Drew

21st May 2013, 18:24

A G C then Drew????

I've seen the good one, but have never been allowed within touching distance. Awesome machine.
Funny cunbt at the very least. I've only met him once, and was only to say hello and introduce ourselves.

bogan

21st May 2013, 18:25

Funny cunbt at the very least. I've only met him once, and was only to say hello and introduce ourselves.

... and a light cupping of the balls. Be rude not to right?

Drew

21st May 2013, 18:31

... and a light cupping of the balls. Be rude not to right?Oh fuck yeah. Wouldn't want to be rude!

BigAl

21st May 2013, 18:59

And a cunt.

Lest we forget.

How could we, he keeps reminding us:msn-wink:

HornetBoy

21st May 2013, 19:30

Play the braking game. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVkXw3Ca4FY&list=SP7519C354CACBF142&index=1) It will not only help you learn to minimise the use of your brakes, but also helps you learn to read the traffic, predict and avoid. Roadcraft Notthingham's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix_SyWEwK2U&list=SPC062163835B4F220) got heaps of excellent safety tips, so run through them (not if you can, but you must and so should everyone).
.

This stuff is great ! :niceone:

Tigadee

21st May 2013, 22:46

Best advice everyday...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkb-1ryitXU

nzspokes

22nd May 2013, 06:59

True, so the storyteller has to be receptive to examining all the factors, including his own level of "tard-ness" while riding, contributing to the incident. If he/she can only lay blame on others, then he/she's not the best role model to learn from! :rolleyes:

Some people enjoy those threads a bit to much.

Katman

22nd May 2013, 08:37

Some people enjoy those threads a bit to much.

The only thing I enjoy about "those threads" is that more and more people are starting to recognise that the vast majority of our crashes are within our power to avoid.

It's becoming far less common to hear motorcyclists spouting the old "it's always the car drivers fault" bullshit.

scumdog

22nd May 2013, 08:57

Yes he's someone I've met several times that I would put in the category of super awesome.

Katman's a cunt.

He ragged me on KB about wearing a cowboy hat...:shifty:

oneofsix

22nd May 2013, 09:06

Katman's a cunt.

He ragged me on KB about wearing a cowboy hat...:shifty:

But just about everyone rags you on KB, oh that's right we are all cunts. :doh:

Katman

22nd May 2013, 09:44

He ragged me on KB about wearing a cowboy hat...:shifty:

What did you expect?

You were in Taupo - not Gore.

Juniper

22nd May 2013, 22:42

What did you expect?

You were in Taupo - not Gore.

Stay on topic please

Katman

22nd May 2013, 22:53

You serious?

(Once upon a time I'd have given you quite a different reply).

Virago

22nd May 2013, 23:01

You serious?

(Once upon a time I'd have given you quite a different reply).

Fellatio lost its appeal?

Katman

22nd May 2013, 23:08

Fellatio lost its appeal?

Dunno. Maybe you could help me find it again though.

ducatilover

23rd May 2013, 02:27

Katman's a cunt.

He ragged me on KB about wearing a cowboy hat...:shifty: You're a cunt for wearing a cowboy hat and riding a Harley

But just about everyone rags you on KB, oh that's right we are all cunts. :doh:

It's natural, cunt.

CBR4ME

23rd May 2013, 06:43

So did this go off track or what ????
But F@#K it makes for some funny reading :laugh:

Juniper

23rd May 2013, 06:46

You serious?

(Once upon a time I'd have given you quite a different reply).

Yes.

Threads often have a tendency to fall pray to the same bunch of people. Talking shit and sharing personal in-jokes.

This not only intimidates newbie comments from joining in but derails the original thread.

If you would like to reminis please do so in a reminiscing or stories or good old days thread.

Drew

23rd May 2013, 06:49

Yes.

Threads often have a tendency to fall pray to the same bunch of people. Talking shit a sharing personal in-jokes.

This not only intimidates new comments from joining in but derails the original thread.

If you would like to reminis please do so in a reminiscing or stories or good old days thread.

OK, on topic. Don't crash.

Back off topic. That's the natural progression of all threads. The pertinent facts are presented and discussed, once that's been achieved it's all gravy to just talk shit.

PrincessBandit

23rd May 2013, 06:57

OK, on topic. Don't crash.

Back off topic. That's the natural progression of all threads. The pertinent facts are presented and discussed, once that's been achieved it's all gravy to just talk shit.

Yes, probably needed to have that pointed out - hers is not an atypical response from someone new to the site worried that their serious thread is going to be derailed. It used to piss me off too when I was new, but it didn't take me long to realise that the above post is so true. In fact it can make some threads infinitely more interesting to read...

Juniper, if you stay around long enough you will probably develop the skill of zooming in on posts which you feel are relevant and helpful while barely noticing the additional crap that gets added into the mix. Try not to be too possessive of a thread you start 'cos you kinda have to accept that people are free to post what they like in it to a pretty big degree. :yes:

leathel

23rd May 2013, 07:28

Katman

23rd May 2013, 07:44

Yes.

Threads often have a tendency to fall pray to the same bunch of people. Talking shit and sharing personal in-jokes.

This not only intimidates newbie comments from joining in but derails the original thread.

If you would like to reminis please do so in a reminiscing or stories or good old days thread.

I see tears in your tea-leaves.

Juniper

23rd May 2013, 07:51

I see tears in your tea-leaves.

I see a forum bully.

Crying so much that I couldn't see where I was going in my car on the motorway and almost crashed into a motorbike. Oh look, it was the cars fault.

(No not really)

CBR4ME

23rd May 2013, 08:39

while it is natural for forums to go off topic there is so much BS and trolling on here lots no longer use it... I know many people that just don't bother anymore, I hadn't been on when they left but I can see why.
I don't follow many threads now, some great people on here but unfortunately far more crap gets posted than good stuff :rolleyes:

I agree, allot of these threads start off with such good intentions & then you check in later in the day & its just full of crap ..... I know there is already a well established community out there but it would be nice if the old boys could leave out there in house jokes
:mellow:

[QUOTE=Juniper;1130550795]I see a forum bully.

+1 i also see that bully :spanking:

CBR4ME

23rd May 2013, 08:43

Back to the topic of Crashes ......

With this rain we are having, has anyone found any partially nasty/slippery intersections they would like to warn about or share with the group ????

Juniper

23rd May 2013, 08:54

Back to the topic of Crashes ......

With this rain we are having, has anyone found any partially nasty/slippery intersections they would like to warn about or share with the group ????

Saw a bike do a dam big squiggle this morning on the motorway. Lane splitting and car moved so he bounced out the way and weeee. Straightened up and continued on. If there was a cat next to him that could have been ouchy.

Katman

23rd May 2013, 08:59

I see a forum bully.

And there I was trying to be polite.

:weep:

Tigadee

23rd May 2013, 09:07

Saw a bike do a dam big squiggle this morning on the motorway. Lane splitting and car moved so he bounced out the way and weeee. Straightened up and continued on.

Guessing it was from going over the centre lines (cat's eyes?) which unbalances the bike and for a split second interrupts traction... Have gone over the lines myself a few times and that happens but not had the big squiggle. It's important not to panic and not to jam on the brakes.

CBR4ME

23rd May 2013, 09:35

The One that catches me out all the time are those black tar lines they use to to do joins in the road, on a wet day those things can be real dodgy.

scumdog

23rd May 2013, 09:50

The One that catches me out all the time are those black tar lines they use to to do joins in the road, on a wet day those things can be real dodgy.

"Tar snakes" they call 'em in the US.

And just as deadly over there too...

Juniper

23rd May 2013, 09:55

"Tar snakes" they call 'em in the US.

And just as deadly over there too...

Yea I've been told that one before.

Tho the person said to avoid them like they are herpies lol.

Is it stupid to ask why they do it if its so dangerous to riders? (I suppose something about riders being second class citizens to drivers)

Rhys

23rd May 2013, 10:29

"Is it stupid to ask why they do it if its so dangerous to riders? "

Quite simple its $'s

We mustn't pay enough ACC

nzspokes

23rd May 2013, 12:29

The only thing I enjoy about "those threads" is that more and more people are starting to recognise that the vast majority of our crashes are within our power to avoid.

It's becoming far less common to hear motorcyclists spouting the old "it's always the car drivers fault" bullshit.

Whats happening now is they wont talk of crashes on this site due to how "those threads" have come out. I know of about 3 so far.

Tigadee

23rd May 2013, 12:48

Whats happening now is they wont talk of crashes on this site due to how "those threads" have come out. I know of about 3 so far.

:msn-wink: Fortunately there'll always be an unsuspecting newbie who will come along and start one... :laugh:

The seasoned members here know better than to let on they crashed to avoid the ragging they'll receive. I certainly learned my lesson when I shared my list of idiot mistakes I made early on so other newbies can take note and so hopefully saving them the same pain, and got a red rep for my effort! :facepalm: (That person probably thought mistakenly that I was trying to show off or something... :rolleyes: )

Juniper

23rd May 2013, 12:53

:msn-wink: Fortunately there'll always be an unsuspecting newbie who will come along and start one... :laugh:

The seasoned members here know better than to let on they crashed to avoid the ragging they'll receive. I certainly learned my lesson when I shared my list of idiot mistakes I amde early on so other newbies to take note so I can save them the same pain, and got a red rep for my effort! :facepalm: (That person probably thought mistakenly that I was trying to show off or something... :rolleyes: )

As a newbie that read all the crash lists here it out the shits up me. But once I read through them without working myself up it was really informative. Things to learn from so I don't hopefully end up the same way.

bosslady

23rd May 2013, 13:21

Whats happening now is they wont talk of crashes on this site due to how "those threads" have come out. I know of about 3 so far. I don't think id hesitate to put a thread up if I was in a crash, even if it was my fault, I think of it as a sharing of information (and a "don't do this") so other people will hopefully avoid the same or similar mishap. Also, I don't really give a shit if I get flamed for making a mistake, I'm human (read: infallible) and I wasn't born knowing how to ride a bike!

Katman

23rd May 2013, 14:03

And furthermore, the flaming really only starts when someone tries to deny any degree of culpability in a crash even when the opposite is pointed out to them.

Drew

23rd May 2013, 15:52

I see a forum bully.

Crying so much that I couldn't see where I was going in my car on the motorway and almost crashed into a motorbike. Oh look, it was the cars fault.

(No not really)Because you like many others, cannot see past whatever emotional response you had to his words, so see everything he says with shit coloured glasses on...I know, I used to do it too.

I agree, allot of these threads start off with such good intentions & then you check in later in the day & its just full of crap ..... I know there is already a well established community out there but it would be nice if the old boys could leave out there in house jokes
:mellow:

Old boys? I aint old fuck ya!

+1 i also see that bully :spanking:Because you possibly are the same as I described, or you're trying to win points with the chick biker?

And there I was trying to be polite.

:weep:Ya were not...Cunt.

Whats happening now is they wont talk of crashes on this site due to how "those threads" have come out. I know of about 3 so far.You know of three crashes, that were in no way the fault of the rider, that haven't ended up on KB for fear of a Katman berating? Bloody hell, you must live in a dangerous place to be a biker!

And furthermore, the flaming really only starts when someone tries to deny any degree of culpability in a crash even when the opposite is pointed out to them.
Only quoted this, because I got carried away with the multi quote button:niceone:

Juniper

23rd May 2013, 16:00

Because you like many others, cannot see past whatever emotional response you had to his words, so see everything he says with shit coloured glasses on...I know, I used to do it too.

There is being right and then there is being right in such a way people acknowledge your right. Being a dick is almost as dangerious as givin bad advice.

Drew

23rd May 2013, 16:02

Being a dick is almost as dangerious as givin bad advice.Wouldn't know. I'm a dick who gives shit advice.:Punk:

Crasherfromwayback

23rd May 2013, 16:03

There is being right and then there is being right in such a way people acknowledge your right. Being a dick is almost as dangerious as givin bad advice.

The only advice people on this fucking site need to listen to is mine.

Drew

23rd May 2013, 16:04

The only advice people on this fucking site need to listen to is mine.Nerry a truer word spoken!:stupid:

Crasherfromwayback

23rd May 2013, 16:06

Nerry a truer word spoken!:stupid:

Trust me...I know what I'm doing!:Punk:

Katman

23rd May 2013, 16:08

There is being right and then there is being right in such a way people acknowledge your right. Being a dick is almost as dangerious as givin bad advice.

You're a sensitive wee thing, aren't you?

Juniper

23rd May 2013, 16:14

You're a sensitive wee thing, aren't you?

As the first spring petal of a Lilly.

Madness

23rd May 2013, 16:17

You know of three crashes, that were in no way the fault of the rider, that haven't ended up on KB for fear of a Katman berating? Bloody hell, you must live in a dangerous place to be a biker!

That's just an average weeks commuting for 'Spokes. He lives in the same place as many of others on here who manage to go crash-less with very little trouble. Makes me wonder if maybe he's just a little bit retarded.

Tigadee

23rd May 2013, 22:58

The only advice people on this fucking site need to listen to is mine.

Like what? "Drink only my coffee"?

Crasherfromwayback

23rd May 2013, 23:04

Like what? "Drink only my coffee"?

lol. Aye. Then "Sign here".

nzspokes

24th May 2013, 06:44

That's just an average weeks commuting for 'Spokes. He lives in the same place as many of others on here who manage to go crash-less with very little trouble. Makes me wonder if maybe he's just a little bit retarded.

When do you get your license back?

nzspokes

24th May 2013, 06:46

Drew

24th May 2013, 06:50

Never said they were blameless.If they accept responsibility, Katman would not have made an effort to point out, that they undoubtedly weren't paying enough attention.

Madness

24th May 2013, 08:00

When do you get your license back?

Couple o' weeks and no, I don't fancy going for a pootle with you - bad things come in threes. Anyhoo, try to keep this on topic eh, this thread is about binning it.

Im NZSpokes on KB, Im a prick. I ride everyday and have a good record for crashing.

What exactly do you mean by having a good record for crashing? I would have though that by not having crashed one could claim to have a good record in this regard but you seem to think the opposite?

nzspokes

24th May 2013, 20:26

What exactly do you mean by having a good record for crashing?

I mean I do it regularly and with style.

Juniper

31st May 2013, 09:21

oneofsix

31st May 2013, 09:25

Aaaannnnd I fell.

Collage Rd in Ponsonby. Rush hour.

My fault. Wet and slippery. Slowed down and lost balance a bit, went to go put foot down and something either caught or slipped and I toppled over.
Lovely guy walking by picked up the bike off me and routed traffic around us cause my leg was stuck.

I was nervous before I got on the bike that afternoon so was bound to happen. Just lost confidence and there ya go.

Hehe first time in public.

Thank you Jessie and random guy.

Those bloody high heeled lady boots :lol:

Freaky when you forget to lift your foot off the peg before you try to put it down and no time to correct the error if you are already leaning the bike onto that leg. Somehow I have so far managed to free the foot just in time, usually results in slamming it down so hard it hurts, but now I think muscle memory or whatever has got the message and don't tend to make the mistake.

Juniper

31st May 2013, 09:31

Those bloody high heeled lady boots :lol:

Freaky when you forget to lift your foot off the peg before you try to put it down and no time to correct the error if you are already leaning the bike onto that leg. Somehow I have so far managed to free the foot just in time, usually results in slamming it down so hard it hurts, but now I think muscle memory or whatever has got the message and don't tend to make the mistake.

I'm going to amend a few things about my gear to try and stop it happening again. Pants are a little tight at 1 spot so will let out a bit. Make the ankle smaller cause that's what I think caught. And my proper riding boots come in next week.

I'm more pissed that I've now got to polish these shoes again. Scratches are so hard to get out.

Where do I go to get scratches made gone? They white ones now. I left green on the road.

Tigadee

31st May 2013, 09:35

duckonin

31st May 2013, 11:00

Aaaannnnd I fell.

Collage Rd in Ponsonby. Rush hour.

My fault. Wet and slippery. Slowed down and lost balance a bit, went to go put foot down and something either caught or slipped and I toppled over.
Lovely guy walking by picked up the bike off me and routed traffic around us cause my leg was stuck.

I was nervous before I got on the bike that afternoon so was bound to happen. Just lost confidence and there ya go.

Hehe first time in public.

Thank you Jessie and random guy.

A cat has nine lives, some use them all, others do not. Your onto it, blame something else, rather than your ability riding a motorcycle. Pick up the phone dail a number under 'TRAINING', then go get get some !:rolleyes:

Juniper

31st May 2013, 11:15

A cat has nine lives, some use them all, others do not. Your onto it, blame something else, rather than your ability riding a motorcycle. Pick up the phone dail a number under 'TRAINING', then go get get some !:rolleyes:

Hehe I'm a schizophrenic cat, I've got 27 lives :p

Already ahead of you pall, my trainings been booked for a couple of weeks. Got in on one of those $20 for a whole day ones for Monday.

Not blaming anyone else but myself.
Conditions: wet and slippery- factor I took into account (obviously not well enough lol)
Fault: mine
Cause: lack of confidence and/or some part of my gear that I decided to don slipping and/or catching. Also inability to navigate slow speeds down hill in wet.

Tigadee

31st May 2013, 13:11

Conditions: wet and slippery- factor I took into account (obviously not well enough lol)
Fault: mine
Cause: lack of confidence and/or some part of my gear that I decided to don slipping and/or catching. Also inability to navigate slow speeds down hill in wet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv8cVOkfvTI&list=SPC062163835B4F220&feature=player_detailpage

Juniper

31st May 2013, 13:40

Cheers for that. Really interesting.

I do prefer M13 for YouTube lessons. He's quite Funny at the same time.

Drew

31st May 2013, 18:33

YouTube videos to "learn" how to ride.

I'm the fuck out of here, all is cunting lost if new riders are that retarded!

Erelyes

31st May 2013, 19:16

YouTube videos to "learn" how to ride.

I'm the fuck out of here, all is cunting lost if new riders are that retarded!

Most education revolves around 'theory' and 'practice'. If you think learners should ignore the former then go ahead :rolleyes:

Also, if it was aimed at the OP, they stated on the previous page that they have a training course booked...

duckonin

31st May 2013, 19:31

YouTube videos to "learn" how to ride.

I'm the fuck out of here, all is cunting lost if new riders are that retarded!

Drew, I'm suprised you didn't cut this one loose way back.

duckonin

31st May 2013, 19:35

Hehe I'm a schizophrenic cat, I've got 27 lives :p

Already ahead of you pall.

Not blaming anyone else but myself.
Conditions: wet and slippery- factor I took into account (obviously not well enough lol)
Fault: mine
Cause: lack of confidence and/or some part of my gear that I decided to don slipping and/or catching. Also inability to navigate slow speeds down hill in wet.

Good for you/training, but ahead of me ! Nope and never will be. Hope you learn to ride well, for each time you hit the ground it makes it harder to be confident riding in any conditions.

Drew

31st May 2013, 20:40

Most education revolves around 'theory' and 'practice'. If you think learners should ignore the former then go ahead :rolleyes:

Also, if it was aimed at the OP, they stated on the previous page that they have a training course booked...

Had unsubscribe, but this winners red rep provoked me to come back.

If anyone thinks it's a good idea to learn from someone with possibly no idea what they're doing, and no way to find out. They are welcome to.

Consider though. Should you miss the meaning on something they that might be correct about, and start doing it wrong, without the ability for clarification you're fucked.

Most bikers for some reason believe they're awesome. The vast majority of those are flat the fuck out WRONG.

Katman

31st May 2013, 20:52

Most bikers for some reason believe they're awesome. The vast majority of those are flat the fuck out WRONG.

Afuckingmen.

Subike

31st May 2013, 20:59

Most bikers for some reason believe they're awesome. The vast majority of those are flat the fuck out WRONG.

Have to agree with this , too many think they are just it,,,,then from the hospital bed try to discover where it all went wrong

bosslady

31st May 2013, 21:01

I beg to differ, I was born awesome :lol:

Erelyes

31st May 2013, 21:32

Had unsubscribe, but this winners red rep provoked me to come back.

If anyone thinks it's a good idea to learn from someone with possibly no idea what they're doing, and no way to find out. They are welcome to.

Consider though. Should you miss the meaning on something they that might be correct about, and start doing it wrong, without the ability for clarification you're fucked.

Most bikers for some reason believe they're awesome. The vast majority of those are flat the fuck out WRONG.

I red rep'd you cos your last post basically called newbies watching vids retarded without saying anything to back it up. As a newbie watching vids I took exception. Thanks for actually backing up your opinion this time.

First off, it's fairly easy to find out whether the youtuber one is watching knows what they're doing. The fact that Roadcraft Nottingham (the vid linked) has almost as many year's experience instructing than I do breathing air, is evident by his website, and the fact he vids himself instructing pupils. He obviously thinks his vids are worthwhile, cos he uploads em, and he seems to know something about teaching people how to ride.

I think he'd also agree however that practical tuition is irreplacable. I totally agree about the chance to mis-apply the rote learning. But you'll learn a heck of a lot more from instructor if you understand (even partially) the theory behind something, before they start teaching you how to use it. When I was a tutor (nothing bike related) nothing fucked me off more than the 'uh-huh. uh-huh. uh-huh.'. Whereas people who actually wanted to discuss something they'd heard/seen from 'a mate' or 'the internet' have the desire to learn and thus are a lot better off to start with.

edit: 'You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Drew again.' - fuckit, I'll green you later.

Erelyes

31st May 2013, 21:33

I beg to differ, I was born awesome :lol:

If you start at the top... the only way is down. :bleh:

Madness

31st May 2013, 21:44

Most bins wins.

'Spokes is currently odds on favourite.

scumdog

31st May 2013, 21:52

Most bins wins.

Someone had to say it.

And chicks dig scars...:rolleyes:

granstar

3rd June 2013, 23:07

Had a mate bin his Hilda aquaplaning on shiny straight stretch of wet road, likely going too fast.
Seems the solution to the road peeps is to erect "slippery when wet" signs which is great as a warning, but be better if they fixed our roads so people don't slide off them. Have a count of these signs next time your out and about, bet you will lose count.

Recently while taking it vigilantly cautiously on a narrow sealed back country road past a sign of roadworks ahead when after some time crawling along i found out why. No further warning signs then a series of bike eating potholes were hidden around a blind bend- yes. They tried to buck me off the bike as I crossed over them. On approach they appeared to have been recently patch filled in the dull winter light, but i was wrong about that as the ballcrusher followed, yup you can never be too careful.

Ride to the weather conditions, read the road ahead as tiring as it is with some of our roads, and ride to your confidence limits, slow down and get there.

nzspokes

4th June 2013, 06:49

Most bins wins.

'Spokes is currently odds on favourite.

Ive only had one on the road so im only a newb at crashing.

unstuck

4th June 2013, 07:08

Last time I came off a bike on the road was in 1983, was on a CB750 in the rain going down hill and the front wheel went out and I slid across the road just in front of an ARA bus. I was only 17 at the time and thought I knew all about riding cos I had been riding on the road since I was 14.:nono: Just been really lucky since, the last close call I had was in Balclutha, on my way to Kaka point and a powerboard truck came barreling through a give way and missed us by a couple of inches, I wonder how he explained all the broken windows in his truck to his boss afterwards.:devil2:

Tigadee

4th June 2013, 12:27

While it's so true head knowledge only gets you so far, being equipped with it to begin with and then applying it into a practical sense is logical and life-saving, I would think. Better to enter the roads with tips picked up in the Roadcraft Nottingham's vids and postpone and even prevent any bins, crashes and drops than with an empty mind and learn the hard way.

I can personally attest that the BHS test is wholly inadequate - I got mine after a two hour motorbike riding lesson, the very first time I'd actually operated and sat on a motorcycle! While it managed to get me to pass my BHS, it did not prepare me for riding on the road or safe motorcyle handling. Until it all changed late last year, I think it'd have been the same for many other newbs like me (except returning bikers or those who'd operated bikes on farms or dirt bikes, for example).

So while nothing beats proper actual training and instruction by trained professional instructors or at the least with safety-conscious experienced riders and plenty of seat time, the next best thing is the Youtube vids by qualified people and then acting on those lessons.

There are (unsurprisingly) some idiots/squids out there who post videos who are obviously newbs themselves, or unqualified or just plain dorks who think they are God's gift to motorcycle riding. As with everything, proceed with caution and be discerning.

As one police motorcycle riding instructor on YT always says: Perfect practice makes perfect (i.e. safe) riding.

trufflebutter

11th September 2016, 09:42

Crashes, Falls and Drops all happen as a result of a moments inattention. The survival of all three is the only thing that will differ in most cases.

MrMarko

11th September 2016, 09:45

Crashes, Falls and Drops all happen as a result of a moments inattention. The survival of all three is the only thing that will differ in most cases.

Holy mother of thread dredges... you need to get laid.

trufflebutter

11th September 2016, 10:32

Holy mother of thread dredges... you need to get laid.

Me?!!!... :eek: How little you know :msn-wink::msn-wink:

Akzle

11th September 2016, 20:15

:psst: that means she's a ho

MrMarko

11th September 2016, 22:01

:psst: that means she's a honda

vtec? ..................

rastuscat

23rd September 2016, 19:46

:psst: that means she's a ho

I love you Azkill

PrincessBandit

25th September 2016, 13:59

Holy mother of thread dredges...

In fairness, it shouldn't be too surprising that people new to this site thread dredge. Some of the long time members here are quick enough to slag newcomers for asking about stuff without seemingly doing a thread search first, so you can't have your cake and eat it too.

PrincessBandit

25th September 2016, 14:00

I love you Azkill

Don't you mean ass-kill?

Drew

25th September 2016, 14:08

Don't you mean ass-kill?

What did you let him do to your arse?

PrincessBandit

25th September 2016, 14:13

What did you let him do to your arse?

Nothing!! It's the goats that have been suffering.

old slider

25th September 2016, 15:04

The last two times my Bike has laid on the ground both involved the phucking side stand, and the engine was turned off .:stupid:

PS none were the HD, if that heavy bastard falls over it will have to stay there.

Big Dog

26th September 2016, 06:13

Maha

26th September 2016, 07:35

:shifty:

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Carrying that non slip mat around must be a nuisance.

old slider

26th September 2016, 08:09

https://youtu.be/ndRF64N-PmQ

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I enjoyed watching that, with my luck I would rip the phucking seat off and the stand would fold up as it leaned back over. lol

Black Knight

26th September 2016, 09:06

Try doing that on a gravel surface-on your own.

Big Dog

26th September 2016, 10:01

Try doing that on a gravel surface-on your own.
Seen a similarly built lass do similar on grass to a GS.

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Big Dog

26th September 2016, 10:03

Carrying that non slip mat around must be a nuisance.
Being a Harley I assumed this was an oil catch mat.

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Big Dog

26th September 2016, 10:03

Try doing that on a gravel surface-on your own.
I have seen a similarly built lass do the same on wet grass to a GS.

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Big Dog

26th September 2016, 10:05

I enjoyed watching that, with my luck I would rip the phucking seat off and the stand would fold up as it leaned back over. lol
Film it.

Nah, it's easier than it looks. Marshall at races or track days of you want practice.

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Maha

26th September 2016, 11:08

Try doing that on a gravel surface-on your own.
What really happens, when all else fails, just lay beside the bike until someone stops '' everything okay mate''? '' oh yeah bro but giza lift''

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skinman

26th September 2016, 14:40

Film it.

Nah, it's easier than it looks. Marshall at races or track days of you want practice.

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Of cause race bikes dont generally weigh about as much as a small country (except for the hyobag 250's, those things are awkward bastards)

Big Dog

26th September 2016, 18:05

Most 80s bikes are top heavy too.

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Gremlin

26th September 2016, 21:33

Try doing that on a gravel surface-on your own.
Tis a fair comment. I could easily create a situation where a girl is not picking up a bike. Easiest would be pea like gravel where your feet slide... I have a lot of experience dropping the bike in awkward places, then trying to get it up again ;)

Scubbo

7th October 2016, 20:26

do you even lift?
http://gnear.net/doyouevenlift.jpg

Big Dog

9th October 2016, 01:30

do you even lift?
IMAGE
Post a picture of some dude doing that with a GS and you will have our attention.

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Bass

10th October 2016, 07:41

I have a lot of experience dropping the bike in awkward places, then trying to get it up again ;)

Deep dry sand is a bitch, especially on a slope with a heap of luggage - bike just keeps sliding away. Also, a standard size sidestand does no good at all. It may even be the reason the bike is having a nap in the first place.

I'm still contemplating a crack at the Simpson. I must be nuts.

Bass

10th October 2016, 07:47

Post a picture of some dude doing that with a GS and you will have our attention.

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Ummmm......... my GS fully loaded comes up more easily than my DR does - in sand too. Sadly, although my wife got the video of us going down, she didn't take one of me picking it up again.

Never aiming to get it above me but.

rastuscat

18th October 2016, 20:50

Difficulty in lifting a bike is proportionate to the size of the crowd watching.

More people watching, the harder it gets.

Especially when the bike is yellow and blue, with matching disco lights.

skinman

18th October 2016, 22:47

rastuscat

19th October 2016, 07:51

hey Rustus, you may know the best place to get mirrors for the 1150RT (apart from bmw nz, they are far too expensive)

not that I am suggesting you may have broken a few but, you know, heavy bike plus time = lie down sometimes

motobins.co.uk

motorworks.co.uk

Broken mirrors didn't happen much on the troll bikes as they had wide authority engine bars.

They also pop off if put under pressure, so remove themselves instead of breaking.

Can't say I've ever had to buy one.

skinman

19th October 2016, 13:34

thanks I will try them

mine popped off just after the weight semi crushed it. Still works but looks crap.

those engine bars would have been useful.

FLUB

19th October 2016, 13:44

thanks I will try them

mine popped off just after the weight semi crushed it. Still works but looks crap.

those engine bars would have been useful.
Have you dropped it again?

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skinman

19th October 2016, 15:34

just having a rest, on its side

alternative parking position

caseye

19th October 2016, 18:09

just having a rest, on its side

alternative parking position

Butt! again??????????????

MrMarko

19th October 2016, 18:12

Stop skipping leg day bro. :sweatdrop

skinman

19th October 2016, 21:43

stupid low speed turning around in sloping carpark

should know better

old slider

20th October 2016, 09:07

stupid low speed turning around in sloping carpark

should know better

Lol, or bumping the kill switch as you do a slow turn.

Tricia1000

20th October 2016, 22:54

Why would I want female? My advantage is that I don't have a penis to worry about squishing into the tank. My disadvantage is lack of strength.

Though yes I do need to get proper instruction. Mates or random people on KB lol offering and all that is fine and dandy but yes, your right instruction would be good.

I want to be a statistic. A statistic of riders who have not killed themselves or others and have not seriously damaged their bikes but enjoys riding on a regular basis.

I do tho still want to know the other stats.

Female instructors are totally awesome.. My student last week, having ridden since the age of 14, now 60, learnt a technique for bike control that he had NEVER heard of before, and is still smiling about it from ear to ear.. If you would like to avoid being a negative statistic, call me, and we can develop a strategic learning plan, that's just for you..
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MrMarko

21st October 2016, 13:11

Drew

21st October 2016, 15:20

Must be wheelies.

Got some good ones in last night night on the Thursday night regular.

MrMarko

22nd October 2016, 12:59

Got some good ones in last night night on the Thursday night regular.

I've hauled up the RF a bit but shes bloodey heavy, wheelies arn't my strong point lol

rastuscat

27th October 2016, 06:27

Female instructors are totally awesome.. My student last week, having ridden since the age of 14, now 60, learnt a technique for bike control that he had NEVER heard of before, and is still smiling about it from ear to ear.. If you would like to avoid being a negative statistic, call me, and we can develop a strategic learning plan, that's just for you..
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Female instructors are gold. Just not very common.

But dont think they are any more special than blokes. There are poor male instructors and I'm sure there are proportionally as many poor female ones.

Being a shit hot rider doesnt make someone a good instructor. I happen to think I am a better Instructor than I am a rider.

Instructional techniques vary for various demographics. A good instructor will differentiate and adapt.

Whatever. Turn up to a lesson with donuts, you'll be fine.

Pound

31st October 2016, 12:31

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/85886442/one-dies-in-hamilton-crash

Call me harsh, but I have little sympathy for him.

Madness

31st October 2016, 12:38

Call me harsh, but I have little sympathy for him.

You're harsh.

I have sympathy for his family & friends.

Pound

31st October 2016, 12:49

You're harsh.

I have sympathy for his family & friends.

I said I didn't have any sympathy for HIM.

I feel very badly for his family, friends, and the driver that hit him.

Family and friends are always the ones that suffer the most from the poor decisions of others.

Maha

31st October 2016, 15:06

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/85886442/one-dies-in-hamilton-crash

Call me harsh, but I have little sympathy for him.

Agree, it is so easy to stay alive and not cause your family and friends so much grief.

onearmedbandit

31st October 2016, 16:18

Pound

31st October 2016, 16:46

He was at fault, no two ways about it. I believe first and foremost our safety as riders is primarily, if not totally, in our hands. Or hand as the case may be. But I dare say there wouldn't be too many of us who have been riding since our teens or twenties haven't done something similar and been lucky enough that the driver considering a u-turn whatever did see us.

Never done near 100kmh on a 50kmh trying to pop a wheelie.... No

When I was 17 I bought an S15 turbo modded to 240 rwhp, and never did anything stupid in that (Because I have what I consider to be basic levels of self control over my hands and feet). I sold it two years later to a guy in Wellington who smashed it into a tree within the week trying to show off to his girlfriend (He was ok). He actually sent me photos of the car asking if I wanted to buy it back for parts.... I Still have those photos to this day....

It's about respect. Respect what these high power machines are cable of

Been riding since 23, almost 27 now, and 2 years of that on a 2009 Fireblade.

I don't ride like an idiot, I ride to survive, to be safe, and to come back in one piece.

This fellow did not.

Maha

31st October 2016, 17:13

Respect for yourself first and foremost, if you have that nailed you've got the rest covered.

Akzle

31st October 2016, 17:23

I would never crash my bike like that

Pound

31st October 2016, 17:36

Successfully pull off a mile long wheelie, THEN crash..:msn-wink:

onearmedbandit

31st October 2016, 18:19

Scubbo

30th July 2017, 18:43

sorry to hear another bad crash / looks to have happened at an intersection with 2 bikes https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/95261024/motorcycle-crash-closes-part-of-state-highway-1-north-of-auckland

(https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/95261024/motorcycle-crash-closes-part-of-state-highway-1-north-of-auckland)take it easy out there guys

awayatc

30th July 2017, 20:27

Never done near 100kmh on a 50kmh trying to pop a wheelie.... No

When I was 17 I bought an S15 turbo modded to 240 rwhp, and never did anything stupid in that (Because I have what I consider to be basic levels of self control over my hands and feet). I sold it two years later to a guy in Wellington who smashed it into a tree within the week trying to show off to his girlfriend (He was ok). He actually sent me photos of the car asking if I wanted to buy it back for parts.... I Still have those photos to this day....

It's about respect. Respect what these high power machines are cable of

Been riding since 23, almost 27 now, and 2 years of that on a 2009 Fireblade.

I don't ride like an idiot, I ride to survive, to be safe, and to come back in one piece.

This fellow did not.

Your mum must be very proud of you.......

No point being to smug about it though.

Most of us however have done loads of stupid shit when we were young/younger ( or even a bit older).....
And were just plain lucky to not pay the ultimate price.
Being dumb, young and full of cum doesn't mean one deserves the death penalty......

Life is not only about being safe,
I will save that for when and if I get older.

If you never have done anything silly, stupid and dangerous that must surely mean that you must have been born old......