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[mashman]

I'm looking at putting some form of generic presentation(s) together for no other reason than it'll help me get things straight. I may even use it someday, so you may well get some entertainment out of it if nothing else.

To that end here's the brief:

To outline a new economic model with a positive societal and environmental impacts. There will be elements of cross over, but I'll figure that out depending on how specific you are. Do I realise where I'm posting this. You fuckin betcha, so have at it in all of your guises.

What goals are important to you and which "category" would they fit in to?

Economic Goals:
Societal Goals:
Environmental Goals:

Let the games begin.

[scissorhands]

'the return of hard work'

all employees, CEO's children and pregnant women must perform physically hard work for a minimum of 2 hours a day

in 1 year weeds from farms, urban areas will be gone, pests will be eradicated/controlled, broken houses and cars will be repaired

down time wanking on the interwebs and unnecessary discussions/gaming/sports/tv watching will be frowned upon

Hollywood movies and TV will change to support the new/old paradigm

Only problem is peeps will lose weight/get healthy/ improve their minds/ and breed more, less peeps staying dumb for the shit jobs and less opportunities to manipulate them

Once [nearly] everyone is fit and healthy, the ones with genetic problems can be offered financial incentives not to breed

A collective global empire to reduce infighting, lies and squabbling amongst nations

[mashman]

'the return of hard work'

all employees, CEO's children and pregnant women must perform physically hard work for a minimum of 2 hours a day

in 1 year weeds from farms, urban areas will be gone, pests will be eradicated/controlled, broken houses and cars will be repaired

down time wanking on the interwebs and unnecessary discussions/gaming/sports/tv watching will be frowned upon

Hollywood movies and TV will change to support the new/old paradigm

Only problem is peeps will lose weight/get healthy/ improve their minds/ and breed more, less peeps staying dumb for the shit jobs and less opportunities to manipulate them

Once [nearly] everyone is fit and healthy, the ones with genetic problems can be offered financial incentives not to breed

A collective global empire to reduce infighting, lies and squabbling amongst nations

:rofl:... A list of demands? and you want "A collective global empire to reduce infighting, lies and squabbling amongst nations". I'm not going to be performing hypnotism ya know ;)... but there are a couple of things in there I can use, cheers.

[gwigs]

http://www.thevenusproject.com/


These people suggest a resource based economy..

[mashman]

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

These people suggest a resource based economy..

Someone pointed me to the venus project a few years ago. Interesting, but a bit OTT imho, primarily as they are looking at the future and not so much how to get there. The end point will be something akin to the venus project, but there's a wee way to go to get to that point. Ideally what I'm looking for here is what matters to people now. What people consider are the main goals for an economy (i.e. so that people can be rich) or as a society (i.e. much less crime and sensible laws) or environmentally (i.e. less chemical usage, less pollution)... that sort of thing.

As yet the only alternatives I've seen to deal with from now til then are financially based. They aren't going to get us to that point any time soon and I don't believe that we'll get to that point if money is the driver of the economy.

[BigAl]

Goals, does trying to remember to wake up each morning count?:first:

[Ocean1]

Do whatever it takes to get self sufficient communities off this planet.

After that, do whatever the fuck you want.

[mashman]

Goals, does trying to remember to wake up each morning count?:first:

:rofl: getting out of bed does :D... and that's a serious fuckin struggle somedays :laugh:


Do whatever it takes to get self sufficient communities off this planet.

After that, do whatever the fuck you want.

We're self-sufficient now :weird:

Get fucked. I'll do what I want when I want to thanks... although I will give you some consideration before I do them.

[Ocean1]

We're self-sufficient now :weird:

But, (and I understand you might not quite have a good handle on this) we're not off this planet.

Or, I should say the rest of us aren't.


Get fucked. I'll do what I want when I want to thanks... although I will give you some consideration before I do them.

Absolutely, as will I.

And if your activities prevent me from doing as I want when I want it'll be you that get's fucked.

[mashman]

But, (and I understand you might not quite have a good handle on this) we're not off this planet.

Or, I should say the rest of us aren't.

Absolutely, as will I.

And if your activities prevent me from doing as I want when I want it'll be you that get's fucked.

I was referring to the entire global village, coz if we weren't self-sufficient, we'd all be dead. But please feel free to vacate the premises any time you like.

Where have I said that I, or "my" system, would prevent you from doing what what you wanted to do? You're not going to fuck me, I simply won't allow it.

[gwigs]

The Monetary sytem is flawed and will by its own design will eventually fail and Mashman is on the right track
We need a new system in order for the human race to survive..cause we are fucked if we keep going the way
we are ....people before money...environment before profit...

[mashman]

The Monetary sytem is flawed and will by its own design will eventually fail and Mashman is on the right track
We need a new system in order for the human race to survive..cause we are fucked if we keep going the way
we are ....people before money...environment before profit...

Unfortunately true... luckily I'm not the only one that's on to it. There's a few on here, quite a few just dawdling around across generations and I'm very curious just how many if "us" there are, or could be. I have a fair idea on how to get us from here to in with having a shout. Part of that is the reason for this thread.
C'mon you bright folks, where's the faith in your fellow man? or can you only see those who are at the bottom feeding off of your productivity?

[328FTW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lekx_ZlqyWk




Doin it rite?

[mashman]

I think I'll go see that

Doin it rite?

Hmmmmmmmmm... I'm going to go for a no, but no doubt there'll be some folk on here fapping at the thought.

[puddytat]

I'm looking at putting some form of generic presentation(s) together for no other reason than it'll help me get things straight. I may even use it someday, so you may well get some entertainment out of it if nothing else.

To that end here's the brief:

To outline a new economic model with a positive societal and environmental impacts. There will be elements of cross over, but I'll figure that out depending on how specific you are. Do I realise where I'm posting this. You fuckin betcha, so have at it in all of your guises.

What goals are important to you and which "category" would they fit in to?

Economic Goals:
Societal Goals:
Environmental Goals:

Let the games begin.

I think those 3 goals made into a poll would be interesting.....

To me, its the Planet & its enviroment that everything relies on to live is the only goal that we really should concentrate on.
Societal & economic goals are totally reliant on it & are responsible for its continued degradation.
Being able to sustainably live here is the greatest challenge yet for our species .To begin with that will bring the inevitable & necessary change to Society & its economics. Just starting to clean the place up is a huge job in its self.

If we keep fretting the details we'll never get anywhere & we will miss an opportunity to make a semi controlled future for ourselves rather than a descent into Chaos.

[mashman]

I think those 3 goals made into a poll would be interesting.....

To me, its the Planet & its enviroment that everything relies on to live is the only goal that we really should concentrate on.
Societal & economic goals are totally reliant on it & are responsible for its continued degradation.
Being able to sustainably live here is the greatest challenge yet for our species .To begin with that will bring the inevitable & necessary change to Society & its economics. Just starting to clean the place up is a huge job in its self.

If we keep fretting the details we'll never get anywhere & we will miss an opportunity to make a semi controlled future for ourselves rather than a descent into Chaos.

I agree mate. Thing is though it needs to be put into simple terms and not with the environment as concern #1. You and I may well know that if the environment fails then we're in for a world of hurt and it'll be seriously fuckin messy. The downside is that we are able to survive artificially. For how long is anyone's guess, but it certainly won't be sustainable as we burn through the resources making "stuff". Unfortunately people want to know what's in it for them and I think the order of Economy, Society and Environment is right from that point of view. However I was hoping for the issues that people think would fit into these categories.

Aye. Shame too many people believe that they are so special that the Earth owes them a living.

[Akzle]

1)dont be a dick
2)win.


Fuck it dude. Humankind will muddle their way to irrelevancy. Then the earth will kill us and get the fuck on with it.

[328FTW]

I'm looking at putting some form of generic presentation(s) together for no other reason than it'll help me get things straight. I may even use it someday, so you may well get some entertainment out of it if nothing else.

To that end here's the brief:

To outline a new economic model with a positive societal and environmental impacts. There will be elements of cross over, but I'll figure that out depending on how specific you are. Do I realise where I'm posting this. You fuckin betcha, so have at it in all of your guises.

What goals are important to you and which "category" would they fit in to?

Economic Goals:
Societal Goals:
Environmental Goals:

Let the games begin.


To post something of more consequence a big thing for me is to stop making policies based on image, kneejerks and alternative agendas. Lots of things from the alternative motives for traffic fines down to the while circle jerk over anti nuclear would be a lot better discussed and resolved without the whole image deal. The problem being image sells and people are in fact overly stupid about how they vote or are swayed by media.

Economics on a wider scale (ie the general western model of it) are something that kinda need major revising in a big way, specially with the way we can track and digitalize most payments, it's a power which would more than likely be greatly either fucked up or abused; BUT ideally things like corporations with huge income would stop getting away with shit like getting more in grants than they pay in tax like the whole thing with the UK division of amazon. But it'll never happen anytime soon. Basically a model that incorporates the ability to make things easier, fairer and let dodgy cunts get away with less. Think cash with RFID chips to track the flow, or some kind of matrix search algorithm (like google uses) that links related companies and can smartly find dodgy schemes using the channelling through 3rd parties, although the idea a single bit of cash can be tracked through the system back to you from anywhere/anyone might raise some pretty mean privacy issues. Not to mention it's just a new thing that will be volleyed over for control.

Environmentally we'd not do stupid shit like sell our gas and would have a couple nice little combined gas cycle power stations setup instead of importing Indonesian coal for huntly and the likes. Even better would be turf the know nothing moron party commonly called the greens out along with the maori party and they can scrap over the 3 or 4 fucks given by the whole country about it:bleh:



Would be nice for us normal people if they polished up the ACC books and got rego etc all in check. Would save us all a small fortune and the system a large one from the hangers on. Which a lot comes from trying to accommodate everyone that can yell loud enough wanting a slice.




That what you're looking for? Cause I could wank on all day but other things to do.

[mashman]

1)dont be a dick
2)win.

Fuck it dude. Humankind will muddle their way to irrelevancy. Then the earth will kill us and get the fuck on with it.

!) An impossibility
@) I might need nukes

I know. Wish I could just say fuck it and get on with it, but too many cuntz iz gettin away with too much cuntery and it needs to stop because it's the right thing to do.


To post something of more consequence a big thing for me is to stop making policies based on image, kneejerks and alternative agendas. Lots of things from the alternative motives for traffic fines down to the while circle jerk over anti nuclear would be a lot better discussed and resolved without the whole image deal. The problem being image sells and people are in fact overly stupid about how they vote or are swayed by media.

Economics on a wider scale (ie the general western model of it) are something that kinda need major revising in a big way, specially with the way we can track and digitalize most payments, it's a power which would more than likely be greatly either fucked up or abused; BUT ideally things like corporations with huge income would stop getting away with shit like getting more in grants than they pay in tax like the whole thing with the UK division of amazon. But it'll never happen anytime soon. Basically a model that incorporates the ability to make things easier, fairer and let dodgy cunts get away with less. Think cash with RFID chips to track the flow, or some kind of matrix search algorithm (like google uses) that links related companies and can smartly find dodgy schemes using the channelling through 3rd parties, although the idea a single bit of cash can be tracked through the system back to you from anywhere/anyone might raise some pretty mean privacy issues. Not to mention it's just a new thing that will be volleyed over for control.

Environmentally we'd not do stupid shit like sell our gas and would have a couple nice little combined gas cycle power stations setup instead of importing Indonesian coal for huntly and the likes. Even better would be turf the know nothing moron party commonly called the greens out along with the maori party and they can scrap over the 3 or 4 fucks given by the whole country about it:bleh:

Would be nice for us normal people if they polished up the ACC books and got rego etc all in check. Would save us all a small fortune and the system a large one from the hangers on. Which a lot comes from trying to accommodate everyone that can yell loud enough wanting a slice.

That what you're looking for? Cause I could wank on all day but other things to do.

So,

Economy: needs overhaul, needs digitisation (it already is), address economic fraud, address corporate greed, cut red tape, economic privacy, FTA's
Societal: stop marketing and advertising from setting "norms", sensible laws, enable effective politicians, decent healthcare, slick processes dealing with needs
Environmental: Give the Green party more teeth ;)

Wank on.......