Nzsbk 2014

[Billy]

Proposed dates for the NZSBK series 2014 are available from the MNZ facebook page,Also New Zealand superbike page,Will be available from the MNZ website next week when the office reopens

[Shorty_925]

from adbook:

Proposed dates for the 2014 NZSBK Series are:
Round 1, Ruapuna Park,Christchurch,January 4th and 5th
Round 2, Levels park,Timaru, January 11th and 12th
Round 3 Hampton Downs March 14th and 15th
Round 4 Taupo Motorsport park March 21st and 22nd
There is also a possibility of a 5th round at Manfeild but it is still under negotiation,Also there will be the opportunity for the Superbikes and Supersport machines to run alongside the V8s at Timaru 18th and 19th of January and Taupo motorsport park 7th and 8th of March,Watch this space for further developments

[jellywrestler]

from adbook:

Proposed dates for the 2014 NZSBK Series are:
Round 1, Ruapuna Park,Christchurch,January 4th and 5th
Round 2, Levels park,Timaru, January 11th and 12th
Round 3 Hampton Downs March 14th and 15th
Round 4 Taupo Motorsport park March 21st and 22nd
There is also a possibility of a 5th round at Manfeild but it is still under negotiation,Also there will be the opportunity for the Superbikes and Supersport machines to run alongside the V8s at Timaru 18th and 19th of January and Taupo motorsport park 7th and 8th of March,Watch this space for further developments

does this include sidecars as word has it their natioanls NI rounds are the first two rounds of the tri series

[SWERVE]

This thread should be entertaining:shifty: Personally I would prefer the proposed format (inc Minefield) as 4 rounds aren't really a championship IMHO.
(don't think 5 is enough either...but that's about as good as it gets)

[CHOPPA]

Awesome looks great! Shame we dont get to go to Teretonga, I dont like going down there but the track is so much better than levels. Cant have everything though!

[Maido]

Ahh well, hope you all got your share of free pizza and beer while you could.
Gunna be hard justifying racing for me now.

[jellywrestler]

Ahh well, hope you all got your share of free pizza and beer while you could.
Gunna be hard justifying racing for me now.

bugger i'm going to miss Teretonga too

[DerekP]

Less than impressed by the dropping of Teretonga...one of the better tracks around IMHO.
Would be very interested in hearing the logic involved in the decission making process...

[Billy]

Less than impressed by the dropping of Teretonga...one of the better tracks around IMHO.
Would be very interested in hearing the logic involved in the decission making process...

Yip,

I can answer that seeing as it was me that made the decision,

As the organiser for that round last year completely ignored the format arranged during a meeting with all organisers for that series as well as failed to answer any correspondence leading up to the round and then all but told me to F,,k off when I approached him about it on the friday and has since not answered my requests since the series finished for info I need to organise the 2014 series
I have lost faith in him and despite me talking to the club president and him intervening and things showing no sign of improving,I have been forced to organise the series differently,I even went to the lengths of asking another club to run the round down there and was refused,To date I have still not received the required info I needed from them and the series is now already running behind schedule because of it,End of story really,I'd be reasonably stupid to think I was going to get a different result from the same people really.

[codgyoleracer]

Yip,

I can answer that seeing as it was me that made the decision,

As the organiser for that round last year completely ignored the format arranged during a meeting with all organisers for that series as well as failed to answer any correspondence leading up to the round and then all but told me to F,,k off when I approached him about it on the friday and has since not answered my requests since the series finished for info I need to organise the 2014 series
I have lost faith in him and despite me talking to the club president and him intervening and things showing no sign of improving,I have been forced to organise the series differently,I even went to the lengths of asking another club to run the round down there and was refused,To date I have still not received the required info I needed from them and the series is now already running behind schedule because of it,End of story really,I'd be reasonably stupid to think I was going to get a different result from the same people really.



Is that all ?, I thought it might be summin important...... :-)

[Billy]

Is that all ?, I thought it might be summin important...... :-)

Why is it,Theres always one and his name is Glen the orange roughy LOL

[codgyoleracer]

Why is it,Theres always one and his name is Glen the orange roughy LOL


I made the wrong assumtion that you were just sooooooo over your black on black with a bit more black van/caravan rig fighting the head wind for the last 300kay south.

[Billy]

I made the wrong assumtion that you were just sooooooo over your black on black with a bit more black van/caravan rig fighting the head wind for the last 300kay south.

Hahaha,Nope won't be in the trusty rig next season,Got a new set up on the way and you forgot the black pin stripes

[CHOPPA]

Yip,

I can answer that seeing as it was me that made the decision,

As the organiser for that round last year completely ignored the format arranged during a meeting with all organisers for that series as well as failed to answer any correspondence leading up to the round and then all but told me to F,,k off when I approached him about it on the friday and has since not answered my requests since the series finished for info I need to organise the 2014 series
I have lost faith in him and despite me talking to the club president and him intervening and things showing no sign of improving,I have been forced to organise the series differently,I even went to the lengths of asking another club to run the round down there and was refused,To date I have still not received the required info I needed from them and the series is now already running behind schedule because of it,End of story really,I'd be reasonably stupid to think I was going to get a different result from the same people really.


Sounds fair enough!

[lostinflyz]

Yip,

I can answer that seeing as it was me that made the decision,

As the organiser for that round last year completely ignored the format arranged during a meeting with all organisers for that series as well as failed to answer any correspondence leading up to the round and then all but told me to F,,k off when I approached him about it on the friday and has since not answered my requests since the series finished for info I need to organise the 2014 series
I have lost faith in him and despite me talking to the club president and him intervening and things showing no sign of improving,I have been forced to organise the series differently,I even went to the lengths of asking another club to run the round down there and was refused,To date I have still not received the required info I needed from them and the series is now already running behind schedule because of it,End of story really,I'd be reasonably stupid to think I was going to get a different result from the same people really.

this is the first time ive seen an open and honest response, and can fully appreciate your position billy. good job!

still a shame but im glad its for what i think are reasonable causes

[jellywrestler]

Hahaha,Nope won't be in the trusty rig next season,Got a new set up on the way and you forgot the black pin stripes

I heard you'd be wearing a suit this year, with black pin stripes; and flares...

[Billy]

I heard you'd be wearing a suit this year, with black pin stripes; and flares...

And platforms,Can't forget the platforms to bring out the flares:yes:

[scott411]

Yip,

I can answer that seeing as it was me that made the decision,

As the organiser for that round last year completely ignored the format arranged during a meeting with all organisers for that series as well as failed to answer any correspondence leading up to the round and then all but told me to F,,k off when I approached him about it on the friday and has since not answered my requests since the series finished for info I need to organise the 2014 series
I have lost faith in him and despite me talking to the club president and him intervening and things showing no sign of improving,I have been forced to organise the series differently,I even went to the lengths of asking another club to run the round down there and was refused,To date I have still not received the required info I needed from them and the series is now already running behind schedule because of it,End of story really,I'd be reasonably stupid to think I was going to get a different result from the same people really.

the best a most honest answer i have ever seen an MNZ offical put in public in the 27 years i have held a MNZ liceinse, well done Billy, i wish that alot more of the top brass of MNZ would be this forthright in there dealing, and putting out the real reasons decisions are made out to the riders,

[jellywrestler]

the best a most honest answer i have ever seen an MNZ offical put in public in the 27 years i have held a MNZ liceinse, well done Billy, i wish that alot more of the top brass of MNZ would be this forthright in there dealing, and putting out the real reasons decisions are made out to the riders,

round here we call Billy 'The artificial inseminator'


Straight up; no bull.

[scrivy]

round here we call Billy 'The artificial inseminator'


Straight up; no bull.

Rather be called that, than the 'Blue Waffle'......

Slippery C....

:facepalm::love:

[budda]

I heard you'd be wearing a suit this year, with black pin stripes; and flares...

outside button fly, Black seersucker shirt with a Black Crevat too, to complete the picture nicely

[Billy]

outside button fly, Black seersucker shirt with a Black Crevat too, to complete the picture nicely

PICTURE???? Sounds more like a horror movie too me.

[Billy]

the best a most honest answer i have ever seen an MNZ offical put in public in the 27 years i have held a MNZ liceinse, well done Billy, i wish that alot more of the top brass of MNZ would be this forthright in there dealing, and putting out the real reasons decisions are made out to the riders,

Thanks Scott,
I think in this case the real reasons needed to be made clear as there was a lot of conjecture from some quarters that it was organised that way due to travel and weather.

But seriously we live in NZ,Its likely to rain anywhere,anytime and the travel thing is part of the challenge to winning a NZ title,So both reasons are invalid really,Hope to catch up at AGM if your there.

[Mental Trousers]

Yip,

I can answer that seeing as it was me that made the decision,

As the organiser for that round last year completely ignored the format arranged during a meeting with all organisers for that series as well as failed to answer any correspondence leading up to the round and then all but told me to F,,k off when I approached him about it on the friday and has since not answered my requests since the series finished for info I need to organise the 2014 series
I have lost faith in him and despite me talking to the club president and him intervening and things showing no sign of improving,I have been forced to organise the series differently,I even went to the lengths of asking another club to run the round down there and was refused,To date I have still not received the required info I needed from them and the series is now already running behind schedule because of it,End of story really,I'd be reasonably stupid to think I was going to get a different result from the same people really.

Fuck sake Billy, now everybody will expect to see the good answers on KB instead of through official channels!! :facepalm:

[budda]

PICTURE???? Sounds more like a horror movie too me.

Gunna have to eat a SHITLOAD more pies if you want to achieve the "Stan Walker look-alike" look

[quickbuck]

Thanks Scott,
I think in this case the real reasons needed to be made clear as there was a lot of conjecture from some quarters that it was organised that way due to travel and weather.

But seriously we live in NZ,Its likely to rain anywhere,anytime and the travel thing is part of the challenge to winning a NZ title,So both reasons are invalid really,Hope to catch up at AGM if your there.

Not to mention we are really small minded when it comes to distance...
New Zealand is NOT THAT BIG!
Riders travel for hours to get to a track in Aussie.... Never mind the extra 9 hours to get to a different one!

[scott411]

Thanks Scott,
I think in this case the real reasons needed to be made clear as there was a lot of conjecture from some quarters that it was organised that way due to travel and weather.

But seriously we live in NZ,Its likely to rain anywhere,anytime and the travel thing is part of the challenge to winning a NZ title,So both reasons are invalid really,Hope to catch up at AGM if your there.


not going to the AGM this year, have fun down there and hopefully the bar prices and the hotel are not to bad ;)

[jellywrestler]

not going to the AGM this year, have fun down there and hopefully the bar prices and the hotel are not to bad ;)
I might have to mosy along and have a few glasses of laughing water tonight...
hope Buddas got a leak prrof rubbish bin in his room this year, chunders a prick to get out of the carpet

[wayne]

bring back ......................invercargil

[Shorty_925]

does this include sidecars as word has it their natioanls NI rounds are the first two rounds of the tri series

again off adbook:

NZSidecar Championship 2014

As there is a fair amount of discussion on other public forums re the Nationals etc this is how it is:
Barry Sheene Hampton Oct 26/27
Suzuki Series Round 1 Nationals (FOR SIDECARS ONLY) Dec 7/8
Suzuki Series Round 2 Nationals (FOR SIDECARS ONLY) Dec 14/15
Wanganui Dec 26
Chch NZSBK Nationals Rnd 1 (RND 3 FOR SIDECARS) Jan 4/5
Timaru NZSBK Nationals Rnd 2 (RND 3 FOR SIDECARS) Jan 11/12
Barry Sheene Sydney March 22/23 2014
They will be running North Island Rounds of the NZSBK Nationals in March at which sidecars are welcome at all or some of these. This is yet to be decided.
This should enable everyone to race both in the NZ Nationals and Internationally if they so wish.
Alot of thought went into this and if you are unhappy with the decision for whatever reason maybe you should speak directly to the President and air your concerns or join the NZSRA so you can keep up to date.
I hope this clarifies it.NZSRA

[neil_cb125t]

Well done billy - not that im a NATS seasoned vet, but the year we did try the nats dealio the invers staff/club officials were so unprofessional it was disgusting. They riders brief made you want to pack up and drive the 200ks north out of there. The actual words said were "don't argue do what we say, we are running this meeting, without us the meeting wouldn't run" It seems that MNZ has chosen not to use those officials in order to try and improve the series. Well done

Side note - its my fav South island track, someone should pick it up and move it to nelson!


Yip,

I can answer that seeing as it was me that made the decision,

As the organiser for that round last year completely ignored the format arranged during a meeting with all organisers for that series as well as failed to answer any correspondence leading up to the round and then all but told me to F,,k off when I approached him about it on the friday and has since not answered my requests since the series finished for info I need to organise the 2014 series
I have lost faith in him and despite me talking to the club president and him intervening and things showing no sign of improving,I have been forced to organise the series differently,I even went to the lengths of asking another club to run the round down there and was refused,To date I have still not received the required info I needed from them and the series is now already running behind schedule because of it,End of story really,I'd be reasonably stupid to think I was going to get a different result from the same people really.

[Robert Taylor]

Yip,

I can answer that seeing as it was me that made the decision,

As the organiser for that round last year completely ignored the format arranged during a meeting with all organisers for that series as well as failed to answer any correspondence leading up to the round and then all but told me to F,,k off when I approached him about it on the friday and has since not answered my requests since the series finished for info I need to organise the 2014 series
I have lost faith in him and despite me talking to the club president and him intervening and things showing no sign of improving,I have been forced to organise the series differently,I even went to the lengths of asking another club to run the round down there and was refused,To date I have still not received the required info I needed from them and the series is now already running behind schedule because of it,End of story really,I'd be reasonably stupid to think I was going to get a different result from the same people really.

Not everyone of course will agree but your forthrightness deserves respect! You must be distantly related to my all time heroine Margaret Thatcher

[DerekP]

Yip,

I can answer that seeing as it was me that made the decision,

As the organiser for that round last year completely ignored the format arranged during a meeting with all organisers for that series as well as failed to answer any correspondence leading up to the round and then all but told me to F,,k off when I approached him about it on the friday and has since not answered my requests since the series finished for info I need to organise the 2014 series
I have lost faith in him and despite me talking to the club president and him intervening and things showing no sign of improving,I have been forced to organise the series differently,I even went to the lengths of asking another club to run the round down there and was refused,To date I have still not received the required info I needed from them and the series is now already running behind schedule because of it,End of story really,I'd be reasonably stupid to think I was going to get a different result from the same people really.

Thanks for that Billy...very up front answer...also bloody differcult to argue with.
So thats Teretonga fucked for 2014 - Will it be considered for 2015? (yea I know, crystil ball stuff...)

[racer40]

I,m looking forward to the nationals this year & I beleive there will be a very good grid of sidecars at their 4 rounds.

[gixerracer]

Not everyone of course will agree but your forthrightness deserves respect! You must be distantly related to my all time heroine Margaret Thatcher

Your next

[Dave-]

Highlands motorsport park?

[wayne]

round 3 teretonga........................
is still all go
riders win

[shoutout]

round 3 teretonga........................
is still all go
riders win

Sweet, who is running it ??

[Billy]

round 3 teretonga........................
is still all go
riders win

Say"s who ?????


Typical Kiwibiker uninformed claptrap,All that has happened is the organiser has walked out of the workshop and one of his committee members is going back to the club to talk to them,Absolutely NOTHING has changed at this stage,Thats just more mis informed claptrap from a group of small minded individuals.

As I had already made other arrangments for the weekend allocated for usually for Teretonga,It may well be too late,Its about time some of those involved at club level pulled their heads in.

As for you John,Your not even a member and yet you seem to think you have a right to dictate what goes on in the sport,Take your shit stirring somewhere else next series.

[Robert Taylor]

Your next

Nah Craig, Maggie got to a grand old age and I intend to do the same!

[lostinflyz]

Say"s who ?????


Typical Kiwibiker uninformed claptrap,All that has happened is the organiser has walked out of the workshop and one of his committee members is going back to the club to talk to them,Absolutely NOTHING has changed at this stage,Thats just more mis informed claptrap from a group of small minded individuals.

As I had already made other arrangments for the weekend allocated for usually for Teretonga,It may well be too late,Its about time some of those involved at club level pulled their heads in.

As for you John,Your not even a member and yet you seem to think you have a right to dictate what goes on in the sport,Take your shit stirring somewhere else next series.

sounds kinda like you dont want the round to happen.......

[Billy]

sounds kinda like you dont want the round to happen.......

No,

Not at all,I thought I made myself clear earlier what the problem was and seeing as that round wasn't going to happen,I made other arrangements for that weekend,That said I'm not ruling out anything until I hear back from SMCC or NZV8s,

I'm just keeping it real,The facts are,At this stage there will be no round at Teretonga until I hear back from both parties and I am satisfied with any info I receive.

John was just, As usual,Talking out of his Butt and trying to stir shit.

[Maido]

Is there any way to see the outcome of certain discussions that took place over the AGM?
I was looking through the commissioners report about the ideas to be discussed for going to a production engine so for superbike and also changing the format of NZSBK to 2x races for 125/superlite/250 proddy etc and 3x races for SS and SB.

Cheers
Jeremy

[Billy]

Is there any way to see the outcome of certain discussions that took place over the AGM?
I was looking through the commissioners report about the ideas to be discussed for going to a production engine so for superbike and also changing the format of NZSBK to 2x races for 125/superlite/250 proddy etc and 3x races for SS and SB.

Cheers
Jeremy

I will do a report when I get the minutes,Unfortunately Vicky is not back to the office until Thursday,

However,Here is a brief outline,Production engines are a no go,Supersport will remain as it is,We had a brief discussion re the future of 250 Proddy taking into consideration the new LAMS Regs and the classes mentioned above will have 3 races at ALL rounds as will Superbikes and Supersport,With a point awarded to the pole sitter at each round,Also I have just got off the phone with a member of your club and there is a slim possibility Teretonga MIGHT be back on the agenda,But it is very slim for this year,That said,Even if we can't get it sorted for this year,There is no basis to the talk I'm hearing about it being gone forever,It will be business as usual for 2015

[Maido]

I will do a report when I get the minutes,Unfortunately Vicky is not back to the office until Thursday,

However,Here is a brief outline,Production engines are a no go,Supersport will remain as it is,We had a brief discussion re the future of 250 Proddy taking into consideration the new LAMS Regs and the classes mentioned above will have 3 races at ALL rounds as will Superbikes and Supersport,With a point awarded to the pole sitter at each round,Also I have just got off the phone with a member of your club and there is a slim possibility Teretonga MIGHT be back on the agenda,But it is very slim for this year,That said,Even if we can't get it sorted for this year,There is no basis to the talk I'm hearing about it being gone forever,It will be business as usual for 2015

cheers for the update, I had contacted Craig with my concerns. Glad to see there is a measured approach. Thanks

[Billy]

Manfeild is now confirmed for the last weekend of March

[codgyoleracer]

Manfeild is now confirmed for the last weekend of March

Shouldnt that be on the i heard a rumour thread ?, Oh no hang on a minute thats the other round....:-)

[Deano]

Manfeild is now confirmed for the last weekend of March

So does that mean the writings on the wall for Teretonga then......or do I need to hit my sponsors up to cover 6 rounds ?

TBH I always liked the idea of 6 rounds !

[Billy]

So does that mean the writings on the wall for Teretonga then......or do I need to hit my sponsors up to cover 6 rounds ?

TBH I always liked the idea of 6 rounds !

Can't make any further comment re Teretonga until I hear back from the club.

[Drew]

Can't make any further comment re Teretonga until I hear back from the club.Figured I'd quote this. Since you've had to say it three or four times already, and no one seems to have picked it up.

[Maido]

Can't make any further comment re Teretonga until I hear back from the club.

What club is running Manfeild? I see on your comments that the hosting club is TBA? Doesn't make sense that you can't run a round with a club in place (teretonga), however you can run a round without a club in place (Manfeild)?
Not shit stirring it just looks a bit odd.
Obviously I am passionate about Teretonga being in the calendar so I will lean that way, just trying to get some transparency in the process.

[Drew]

Obviously I am passionate about Teretonga being in the calendar so I will lean that way.

Take over the club and run the event then.

[Maido]

Take over the club and run the event then.

Its all so easy aye.

[Drew]

Its all so easy aye.Depends on just how "passionate" you really are I guess.

[Deano]

Figured I'd quote this. Since you've had to say it three or four times already, and no one seems to have picked it up.

It was picked up alright mate but now Manfeild is on the calendar (subject to a club of course) one wonders of the implications of having 3 rounds up here. Perhaps there will be 6 rounds. Just wondering out loud.

[SWERVE]

What club is running Manfeild? I see on your comments that the hosting club is TBA? Doesn't make sense that you can't run a round with a club in place (teretonga), however you can run a round without a club in place (Manfeild)?
Not shit stirring it just looks a bit odd.
Obviously I am passionate about Teretonga being in the calendar so I will lean that way, just trying to get some transparency in the process.

Prehaps there is more than one club wanting to run that event............ could always give the loser Teretonga:bleh:

[Maido]

Depends on just how "passionate" you really are I guess.

Just cos I vote for a certain political party doesn't mean I have aspirations to run it, even though I maybe passionate about the issues they put forward.

Just cos I am not the president of a club doesn't mean I can't be passionate about it. You can do other things for a club without running it, I am sure you would know that.

Its too easy to just say you should run the club. My situation doesn't allow me to have anywhere enough time to put enough effort into justifying that position, asides from that I just have no interest in running a motorcycle club, however as a ticket holder and a national level racer for the last decade I can assure you I am very "passionate" about this topic. Besides Craig does a great job as it is. Look at the Munro for example, you can't tell me that its success hasn't increased motorcycling awareness since its inception.

[Drew]

. could always give the loser Teretonga:bleh:It's Teratonga...There are no winners there.

[Maido]

It was picked up alright mate but now Manfeild is on the calendar (subject to a club of course) one wonders of the implications of having 3 rounds up here. Perhaps there will be 6 rounds. Just wondering out loud.

6 would be awesome! Fix Pukekohe to suit motorcycles and run that too! 7 rounds in 3000kms, that would surely attract overseas riders.

[Drew]

Besides Craig does a great job as it is.Except for the answering to the governing body thing. Other than that I'm sure he does a great job.

Entirely working on the assumption that this Craig chap is the pres' in question.

[arkeye]

What club is running Manfeild? I see on your comments that the hosting club is TBA? Doesn't make sense that you can't run a round with a club in place (teretonga), however you can run a round without a club in place (Manfeild)?
Not shit stirring it just looks a bit odd.
Obviously I am passionate about Teretonga being in the calendar so I will lean that way, just trying to get some transparency in the process.

I'd say that means Billy has confidence in the clubs showing interest in running Manfeild and is in discussions with them, so it's not a problem to add it to the schedule. He's made it very clear that the same sort of discussion was not able to be had with Teretonga club, so it had to be dropped.

[Deano]

It's Teratonga...There are no winners there.

Ahem....:first::first::first:

[Drew]

Ahem....:first::first::first:Hahahahaha, just being there is losing. But I think I congratulated you at the time ya lanky prick.

[Shorty_925]

manfeild bookings..

http://www.manfeild.co.nz/Events/tabid/56/vw/1/Default.aspx

[Kickaha]

Hahahahaha, just being there is losing.
Rather race there than Puke anyday, best T1 in the country, I'm pretty sure out of all the times I was there it was only once someone was treated for hypothermia

[arkeye]

manfeild bookings..

http://www.manfeild.co.nz/Events/tabid/56/vw/1/Default.aspx

Pacific club did originally have the dates held for their summer series... Looks like nats have now taken the spot. Doesn't mean they are running it tho.

[Shorty_925]

Pacific club did originally have the dates held for their summer series... Looks like nats have now taken the spot. Doesn't mean they are running it tho.

What are the other dates for the summer series?

[Billy]

What club is running Manfeild? I see on your comments that the hosting club is TBA? Doesn't make sense that you can't run a round with a club in place (teretonga), however you can run a round without a club in place (Manfeild)?
Not shit stirring it just looks a bit odd.
Obviously I am passionate about Teretonga being in the calendar so I will lean that way, just trying to get some transparency in the process.

Understand where your coming from Jeremy,

Re Manfeild,I have 2 clubs in the frame,1 has the date and may want to run it but have yet to make a decision,While the other is keen to run but have to wait and see,Completely different scenario.


But,Just to clarify things,I will NOT accept any responsibility for the situation that the Southland club finds itself in,I did more than most would have to rectify the situation and I am still trying to work something out for them.Whatever the outcome may be,It is the end result of club members not wanting to help out their local clubs.

[Billy]

Except for the answering to the governing body thing. Other than that I'm sure he does a great job.

Entirely working on the assumption that this Craig chap is the pres' in question.

Sorry mate,I'm not about to get into naming who's right or wrong here,But rest assured Craig does a very good job of running the Southland club and is in NO way at fault here,It comes back to the old saying "If you want something done properly,Do it yourself" and Craig has to rely on others who have not fulfilled their part.

[Drew]

Sorry mate,I'm not about to get into naming who's right or wrong here,But rest assured Craig does a very good job of running the Southland club and is in NO way at fault here,It comes back to the old saying "If you want something done properly,Do it yourself" and Craig has to rely on others who have not fulfilled their part.

I'm just being a cunt, for it's own sake.

My bad.

[Mental Trousers]

Purely speculation, but I'm guessing that both Pacific and Orion are the ones that are interested in the Mafeild round. They've both run great events at Taupo in the last couple of years.

[Maido]

Except for the answering to the governing body thing. Other than that I'm sure he does a great job.

Entirely working on the assumption that this Craig chap is the pres' in question.

I don't think we have actually met, I can't tell if your being sarcastic or not?
I can't help but feel that you are trolling. You are taking every comment I make and trying to pull it to bits to get a bit of an argument going, which is fine. Its a forum, eventually we will start hassling each other about our grammer and spelling, then resort to some Hitler comments and finally we will post amusing videos of cats doing funny things. I look forward to that, but in the meantime...

Read back on Billy's post he has no problem with Craig. Craig stepped in when Billy and the guy in charge of road racing, one of many aspects of the club, had a break down in talks which is what a prez should do.

All I was asking was who was running the manfeild round as it is already a go without a club. Billy will answer in due time I am sure. Again, I have no problem with Billy, or anyone else in MNZ or racing for that matter. Not even you Drew.

[Maido]

Askith and you shall recieve, Thanks for the updates Billy. Looking forward to Manfeild especially since the reseal. Is it done yet btw?

[Maido]

I'm just being a cunt, for it's own sake.

My bad.

HA I knew you were shit stirring!

[Drew]

I don't think we have actually met, I can't tell if your being sarcastic or not?
I can't help but feel that you are trolling. You are taking every comment I make and trying to pull it to bits to get a bit of an argument going, which is fine. Its a forum, eventually we will start hassling each other about our grammer and spelling, then resort to some Hitler comments and finally we will post amusing videos of cats doing funny things. I look forward to that, but in the meantime...

Read back on Billy's post he has no problem with Craig. Craig stepped in when Billy and Gary (in charge of road racing, one of many aspects of the club) had a break down in talks which is what a prez should do.

All I was asking was who was running the manfeild round as it is already a go without a club. Billy will answer in due time I am sure. Again, I have no problem with Billy, or anyone else in MNZ or racing for that matter. Not even you Drew.I certainly was trolling.

I took you to be attacking a position that I thought was made clear, so decided to be a dick. Default setting for me.

[Drew]

I don't think we have actually met, I can't tell if your being sarcastic or not?



HA I knew you were shit stirring!Ya did bloody not!

[Kickaha]

so decided to be a dick
Well you should always stick with the things you're good at

[Drew]

Well you should always stick with the things you're good atThat's what my dad told me:niceone:

[arkeye]

What are the other dates for the summer series?

Well if you look back through the Manfeild calendar I'd say it's Jan 18/19. And looking at the Taupo bookings, 8/9 Nov. :cool:

[Robert Taylor]

6 would be awesome! Fix Pukekohe to suit motorcycles and run that too! 7 rounds in 3000kms, that would surely attract overseas riders.

I think Jeremy everyone has to be careful how many rounds one wishes for. I know youve got a totally level mind so I know you wont put on a ''KB face'' !

So when we think about all of this overall how many support people are there per rider? By that I mean not only their immediate mechanics and helpers but also flag marshals, officials running the meeting, MNZ officiando, ambulance people, tyre changers, suspension technicians, industry representatives, etc etc. Do ALL of the people that tour around want to attend even more rounds, following 3 Tri Series rounds and 5 Nationals rounds? Can they afford to? Can they take even more time off work? Many are already at ''overload'' as the season end nears will think even more ''I could have a great low stress holiday rather than help Johny racer get his kicks on the track and get yelled at if something goes wrong''. That sounds cynical but so often is pretty close to the truth. Of course everyone is getting big bucks for giving up their free time......Its actually little wonder that you dont see too many longterm helpers as they soon suss out that there are lower stress ways of spending nice long summer days.

Even more pointedly what percentage of the riders themselves will be able to fund themselves ( or by benefactors ) even more money for tyres, fuel, meals and accomodation / incidentals? Will companies such as Suzuki NZ ( who have poured an enormous amount of loss making revenue into the sport over the years ) have the stomach to effectively fund more racing costs over extra rounds? Especially given that they have for next season retrenched back a lot and required that riders find a lot more of their own funding.

THE WHOLE POINT HERE IS THAT EVERYTHING DOESNT AUTOMATICALLY FOLLOW from the whims of riders and spectators. Many specatators of course will not attend every single round because its TOO COSTLY for them to do so ( I think that makes a point in itself ) My personal view is that when you factor in the Tri Series there is already too much racing and to hope for more is going to challenge something that is already on a knife edge of what is economically feasible and also of how it compromises a lot of peoples personal calendars.

[CHOPPA]

6 rounds and you can drop a round.

[jellywrestler]

6 rounds and you can drop a round.

problem is with that is who'll bother to go to the final round if they've had a good season?????

[Grumph]

6 rounds and you can drop a round.

What Jelly said plus, it only works if you've got equal numbers of competitors in NI and SI. Main reason for dropping or not attending a round would be travel cost - SI riders dropping Northernmost round, NI riders dropping southernmost round.
Given the existing distribution of riders this would mean too few entries for whichever round is the southernmost which makes it not viable for an organsing club.
Notice how PC I'm being not naming a circuit.......However, if Teretonga goes, then Levels becomes the most Southerly etc etc.....

How long before no rounds in the SI ?

[Billy]

What Jelly said plus, it only works if you've got equal numbers of competitors in NI and SI. Main reason for dropping or not attending a round would be travel cost - SI riders dropping Northernmost round, NI riders dropping southernmost round.
Given the existing distribution of riders this would mean too few entries for whichever round is the southernmost which makes it not viable for an organsing club.
Notice how PC I'm being not naming a circuit.......However, if Teretonga goes, then Levels becomes the most Southerly etc etc.....

How long before no rounds in the SI ?

Yea,

I don't get this paranoia from the South Island competitors that theres some conspiracy to eliminate them,Thats just NOT gonna happen,If Teretonga doesn't run this year,Theres NO reason it wouldn't run again in 2015 once any communication problems are sorted.

I agree dropping a round would only work if the 1st and last rounds were compulsory.

But what about this,

Assuming Teretonga was back on,We not only run a New Zealand championship,But also the 2 Island championships could run inside it,IE the 3 SI rounds would comprise the SI series and likewise in the North,Therefore theoretically,More local competitors would attend in each island and at the end we would have ,A South island champ,North island champ and New Zealand champ for each class?????

[DidJit]

... Assuming Teretonga was back on,We not only run a New Zealand championship,But also the 2 Island championships could run inside it,IE the 3 SI rounds would comprise the SI series and likewise in the North,Therefore theoretically,More local competitors would attend in each island and at the end we would have ,A South island champ,North island champ and New Zealand champ for each class?????

A cunning plan.

Not that I'm in any position to comment but, from the outside looking in, that idea has a lot of merit. Hope it gets some traction.

[Deano]

Yea,

Assuming Teretonga was back on,We not only run a New Zealand championship,But also the 2 Island championships could run inside it,IE the 3 SI rounds would comprise the SI series and likewise in the North,Therefore theoretically,More local competitors would attend in each island and at the end we would have ,A South island champ,North island champ and New Zealand champ for each class?????

:niceone:

Great idea mate !

[steveyb]

Assuming Teretonga was back on,We not only run a New Zealand championship,But also the 2 Island championships could run inside it,IE the 3 SI rounds would comprise the SI series and likewise in the North,Therefore theoretically,More local competitors would attend in each island and at the end we would have ,A South island champ,North island champ and New Zealand champ for each class?????

+1 from me and I can't really understand why it has not been in place from day 1 for exactly the reasons provided and also if not simply to win another 'trophy' in the cabinet.

I think that 'dropping a round' could also work, but as suggested only either if rounds 1 and final are compulsory, or if the round is chosen and results are dropped after the end of the season (which is usually the reason for having such a mechanism, to allow a competitor to have a poor round, rather than as an excuse to not attend).

[Shorty_925]

Well if you look back through the Manfeild calendar I'd say it's Jan 18/19. And looking at the Taupo bookings, 8/9 Nov. :cool:

Whens entry forms out?

[racer40]

Have to agree with Roberts quote, re to much racing. If you add in the wanganui & Paeroa, that could be 11 top level race meetings in roughly 16 weeks, way to much for most to do, cost wise & time of work wise, and will only take entries away from meetings & we only have so many competitors at this level.
NI & SI series sounds good, could even do if only 2 rounds in each island.

[Billy]

Have to agree with Roberts quote, re to much racing. If you add in the wanganui & Paeroa, that could be 11 top level race meetings in roughly 16 weeks, way to much for most to do, cost wise & time of work wise, and will only take entries away from meetings & we only have so many competitors at this level.
NI & SI series sounds good, could even do if only 2 rounds in each island.

So here we go,

Kiwibiker meet facebook,On facebook when I released the 5 rounds plus 2 for Superbike and Supersport with the V8s,It wasn't enough and I was an idiot for not running enough rounds,

In the interim I try and work something out with Southland club and get an extra round,

Then "HELLO" on Kiwibiker I'm an idiot cause now theres to many rounds.

The only thing that appears to be consistent here is that I am an idiot,I thought that was obvious when I was dumb enough to take on the role of commissioner LMFAO!!!!

Not saying that either party are wrong,Just highlighting the issues I have to face with every subject that comes up :bleh:

[Mental Trousers]

The only thing that appears to be consistent here is that I am an idiot,I thought that was obvious when I was dumb enough to take on the role of commissioner LMFAO!!!!

Yes, you are an idiot for taking the job!!

Having said that, you've done a great job as the Commissioner and Road Racing will lose a valuable asset when you step down. I reckon you should be a truly exceptional idiot and stay in the job :stupid:

[jellywrestler]

How long before no rounds in the SI ?
ouch, most of our national champions are from there or aussie.........

[Robert Taylor]

So here we go,

Kiwibiker meet facebook,On facebook when I released the 5 rounds plus 2 for Superbike and Supersport with the V8s,It wasn't enough and I was an idiot for not running enough rounds,

In the interim I try and work something out with Southland club and get an extra round,

Then "HELLO" on Kiwibiker I'm an idiot cause now theres to many rounds.

The only thing that appears to be consistent here is that I am an idiot,I thought that was obvious when I was dumb enough to take on the role of commissioner LMFAO!!!!

Not saying that either party are wrong,Just highlighting the issues I have to face with every subject that comes up :bleh:

Billy, as you well realise I did not call you or anyone an idiot, like many I think you're doing a great job, totally thankless task that it is.

I just struggle with understanding how when many or most racers that do Nationals spend many months afterwards clearing their debts how they think they can do more racing. Plus the assumption ( effectively ) that everything else falls automaticallly into place.

[codgyoleracer]

I think Jeremy everyone has to be careful how many rounds one wishes for. I know youve got a totally level mind so I know you wont put on a ''KB face'' !

So when we think about all of this overall how many support people are there per rider? By that I mean not only their immediate mechanics and helpers but also flag marshals, officials running the meeting, MNZ officiando, ambulance people, tyre changers, suspension technicians, industry representatives, etc etc. Do ALL of the people that tour around want to attend even more rounds, following 3 Tri Series rounds and 5 Nationals rounds? Can they afford to? Can they take even more time off work? Many are already at ''overload'' as the season end nears will think even more ''I could have a great low stress holiday rather than help Johny racer get his kicks on the track and get yelled at if something goes wrong''. That sounds cynical but so often is pretty close to the truth. Of course everyone is getting big bucks for giving up their free time......Its actually little wonder that you dont see too many longterm helpers as they soon suss out that there are lower stress ways of spending nice long summer days.

Even more pointedly what percentage of the riders themselves will be able to fund themselves ( or by benefactors ) even more money for tyres, fuel, meals and accomodation / incidentals? Will companies such as Suzuki NZ ( who have poured an enormous amount of loss making revenue into the sport over the years ) have the stomach to effectively fund more racing costs over extra rounds? Especially given that they have for next season retrenched back a lot and required that riders find a lot more of their own funding.

THE WHOLE POINT HERE IS THAT EVERYTHING DOESNT AUTOMATICALLY FOLLOW from the whims of riders and spectators. Many specatators of course will not attend every single round because its TOO COSTLY for them to do so ( I think that makes a point in itself ) My personal view is that when you factor in the Tri Series there is already too much racing and to hope for more is going to challenge something that is already on a knife edge of what is economically feasible and also of how it compromises a lot of peoples personal calendars.


I am one of those individuals that will be tossing up which series to do on a 600, (Tri or Nats) , each has their strengths - but demands on time are my personal issue.
Of course the lucky ones that are planning to both - well good on ya i say !

[Grumph]

I'd point out that we have had a defacto North Island and South Island champs - the tri series and the SI Cup.
i don't know if the SI cup has been run for the last couple of seasons - i don't stay up with the moderns now - but it was started to be a lead in to doing the Nats. It worked well too. Best bit was it covered everything, moderns, BEARS, Classics and Buckets.

Bring it back.

[SWERVE]

The SI cup was run bi-annually if I recall. It lost momentum the last couple of times.... the Teretonga round was in mid june-july (same weather as summer but even lower temps) The only ones who were in the running were those who dared the winter trip south. I remember in 2010 (I think) We and the Hoogies left -temps in ChCH and travelled thru snow and floods to have one of the best days at Teretonga ever. While rest of south Is was wet & windy. We were the only ones to travel.... we got 1 &2 in Pro Twin SI Cup that year.
That connects to the argument about number of rounds for me. You either a serious racer/team who goes racing proper. In which case you will find a way to do all the rounds that are important. Or you just have a hobby (in this case racing) in which case you moan because you cant afford to do ALL your other hobbies too. The only down side I see is that having the tri series & NZSBK only dilutes the numbers at each. As they both hold merit as a championship. I would like to see the HD/Manfield rounds of Tri series be the NZSBK rounds also.... poss even 3 day EVENT. But that's just a personal opinion...... and im sure someone will tell me why it is a bad idea or cant happen.
I like the idea of 600s/1000s with the V8s.... purely from a marketing/profile point of view. If they became a more high profile / professional classes because of it great!.......... but would make the jump from 250/650/superlight etc a bigger leap in terms of cost......... maybe more attractive to the older/richer riders than a youngster?....... but may also bring in bigger backers who would get in behind young talent. Pros & Cons for everything.

Whatever happens I/we will be at all rounds that the teams bikes are eligible for. Whether it be 4 or 10. Cos racing is more than a hobby in this camp.

[Kickaha]

The only thing that appears to be consistent here is that I am an idiot
I didn't feel there was any need to state the obvious

[Billy]

I didn't feel there was any need to state the obvious

Yerr,I just thought I'd get in before anybody else said it

[Billy]

The SI cup was run bi-annually if I recall. It lost momentum the last couple of times.... the Teretonga round was in mid june-july (same weather as summer but even lower temps) The only ones who were in the running were those who dared the winter trip south. I remember in 2010 (I think) We and the Hoogies left -temps in ChCH and travelled thru snow and floods to have one of the best days at Teretonga ever. While rest of south Is was wet & windy. We were the only ones to travel.... we got 1 &2 in Pro Twin SI Cup that year.
That connects to the argument about number of rounds for me. You either a serious racer/team who goes racing proper. In which case you will find a way to do all the rounds that are important. Or you just have a hobby (in this case racing) in which case you moan because you cant afford to do ALL your other hobbies too. The only down side I see is that having the tri series & NZSBK only dilutes the numbers at each. As they both hold merit as a championship. I would like to see the HD/Manfield rounds of Tri series be the NZSBK rounds also.... poss even 3 day EVENT. But that's just a personal opinion...... and im sure someone will tell me why it is a bad idea or cant happen.
I like the idea of 600s/1000s with the V8s.... purely from a marketing/profile point of view. If they became a more high profile / professional classes because of it great!.......... but would make the jump from 250/650/superlight etc a bigger leap in terms of cost......... maybe more attractive to the older/richer riders than a youngster?....... but may also bring in bigger backers who would get in behind young talent. Pros & Cons for everything.

Whatever happens I/we will be at all rounds that the teams bikes are eligible for. Whether it be 4 or 10. Cos racing is more than a hobby in this camp.

Tri series can not be part of the NZSBK series as they run different classes,IE F/F2 as opposed to Superbike and Supersport.

[SWERVE]

Tri series can not be part of the NZSBK series as they run different classes,IE F/F2 as opposed to Superbike and Supersport.

There...simple question...simple answer:msn-wink:
But what if they ran the required classes (not talking street circuit in this)?

[Billy]

There...simple question...simple answer:msn-wink:
But what if they ran the required classes (not talking street circuit in this)?

Don't think they want to as many with F1/2 machines want to do Boxing day,Plus the tie up with Suzuki as a naming rights sponsor makes it tricky,Not unsurmountable though

[racer40]

Hi Billy, I dont think you are an idiot, in fact i think you are doing a great job. I was just adding to some points, that someone else was commenting on.

[Billy]

Hi Billy, I dont think you are an idiot, in fact i think you are doing a great job. I was just adding to some points, that someone else was commenting on.

Hi Chris,

Yea I was just generalising really,Nobody did on Facebook either,But I was just trying to emphasis the conflicting needs and wants there are between competitors.

[Robert Taylor]

Hi Chris,

Yea I was just generalising really,Nobody did on Facebook either,But I was just trying to emphasis the conflicting needs and wants there are between competitors.

Billy my point was also in effect that its not only about the competitors. The competitors have to take stock of the support infrastructure behind everything, what it costs and that everything doesnt happen automatically.
Im still at odds about how many competitors would also be able to afford the extra costs and time away.

[Billy]

Billy my point was also in effect that its not only about the competitors. The competitors have to take stock of the support infrastructure behind everything, what it costs and that everything doesnt happen automatically.
Im still at odds about how many competitors would also be able to afford the extra costs and time away.

Yip,

I got that,The facts are the competitors are not even close to being on the same page with one another and the disappointing part is when they don't get what they personally want,Its somehow MNZs fault for trying to organise something in the middle ground with concessions for everybody.

End of the day,I have a meeting tomorrow with the organisers for NZV8s and I think from what I'm hearing,We will end up with a 5 round series at Ruapuna,Levels,HD,Taupo and Manfeild and people are just going to have to accept that thats how it is,Yes it's disappointing for some that Tertonga won't be on the calender,But I was put in the position of having to look elsewhere for reasons beyond my control and I am not going to take a backward step now.If people think 6 rounds are to many,Then it WILL be Teretonga that is left out as all the others are already in place.

[codgyoleracer]

Yip,

I got that,The facts are the competitors are not even close to being on the same page with one another and the disappointing part is when they don't get what they personally want,Its somehow MNZs fault for trying to organise something in the middle ground with concessions for everybody.

End of the day,I have a meeting tomorrow with the organisers for NZV8s and I think from what I'm hearing,We will end up with a 5 round series at Ruapuna,Levels,HD,Taupo and Manfeild and people are just going to have to accept that thats how it is,Yes it's disappointing for some that Tertonga won't be on the calender,But I was put in the position of having to look elsewhere for reasons beyond my control and I am not going to take a backward step now.If people think 6 rounds are to many,Then it WILL be Teretonga that is left out as all the others are already in place.


Sorry, Im confused Billy - could you be a bit clearer....... :-) Haha

[jasonu]

Tri series can not be part of the NZSBK series as they run different classes,IE F/F2 as opposed to Superbike and Supersport.

In a country as small as NZ with a very limited supply of willing racers/helpers/spectators, shouldn't or couldn't something be done about this sort of thing? Sounds a bit like the Indycar vs Champcar debacle a few years ago. There wasn't enough room for two similar series and nearly saw the end of both.
Just an observation, not havin' a go at anybody.

[scrivy]

What about a more serious Nationals with prizemoney again, and a seperate "Battle of the Streets" again? But include a few more street circuits for the die hard fans of those.

:corn::facepalm:

[CHOPPA]

Has anyone seen the coverage from Hampton Downs???

[quickbuck]

In a country as small as NZ with a very limited supply of willing racers/helpers/spectators, shouldn't or couldn't something be done about this sort of thing? Sounds a bit like the Indycar vs Champcar debacle a few years ago. There wasn't enough room for two similar series and nearly saw the end of both.
Just an observation, not havin' a go at anybody.
Remind me.... was that anything like NZV8 vs V8ST is becoming?

[slowpoke]

In a country as small as NZ with a very limited supply of willing racers/helpers/spectators, shouldn't or couldn't something be done about this sort of thing? Sounds a bit like the Indycar vs Champcar debacle a few years ago. There wasn't enough room for two similar series and nearly saw the end of both.
Just an observation, not havin' a go at anybody.

Nah, Champ vs Indy car were both vying to be the same thing. Tri-Series vs NZSBK is a bit different: Tri-Series seems to be more attractive prospect for club racers, racing some very different bikes to what you see at NZSBK. NZSBK is a much more serious undertaking, different tracks, more stringent machinery rules etc. Tri-Series is a popular warm up for many of the NZSBK guns, but Wanganui is a big risk to take if you have serious aspirations in NZSBK, if it turns to custard then tricky repairing a bike or body in short time frame over holiday break.

My feeling is the two series co-exist fairly well, but be interesting to hear other opinions.

[roogazza]

What about a more serious Nationals with prizemoney again, and a seperate "Battle of the Streets" again? But include a few more street circuits for the die hard fans of those.

:corn::facepalm:

Reading KB posts on road racing nowdays, is it actually a fun thing to do anymore ? I don't know, I have nothing to do with it. We went everywhere, Puke, Streets, South, North.
Couldn't wait to get out there. I don't see fun and enjoyment like there once was ?
And yes Scrivy we had prizemoney too huh.

[Drew]

Reading KB posts on road racing nowdays, is it actually a fun thing to do anymore ? I don't know, I have nothing to do with it. We went everywhere, Puke, Streets, South, North.
Couldn't wait to get out there. I don't see fun and enjoyment like there once was ?
And yes Scrivy we had prizemoney too huh.
It's fun alright! I think the current financial market is just making it harder.

I know that sounds like a cop out, but it's nearly impossible for most people to just drop work for every meeting they could do, weather they want to or not.

[roogazza]

It's fun alright! I think the current financial market is just making it harder.

I know that sounds like a cop out, but it's nearly impossible for most people to just drop work for every meeting they could do, weather they want to or not.

I hope it is fun for you guys, really. It must be a bastard trying to pay for modern bikes, tyres and travel and bring up a family/pay a mortgage etc.
God knows what it's like feeding a race bike tyres at every meet ?
I would honestly say I would have flagged it in todays world. I mean as a hobby its got to be fun above all and how do you enjoy it, shelling out heaps of dollars.
I wonder if it will ever come right ? What's ironic is when you can afford it you're usually past it.

[Robert Taylor]

It's fun alright! I think the current financial market is just making it harder.

I know that sounds like a cop out, but it's nearly impossible for most people to just drop work for every meeting they could do, weather they want to or not.

This is why I am gobsmacked that there are people asking more more rounds for the National championships. There is already too much racing, in total

[quickbuck]

I hope it is fun for you guys, really. It must be a bastard trying to pay for modern bikes, tyres and travel and bring up a family/pay a mortgage etc.
God knows what it's like feeding a race bike tyres at every meet ?
I would honestly say I would have flagged it in todays world. I mean as a hobby its got to be fun above all and how do you enjoy it, shelling out heaps of dollars.
I wonder if it will ever come right ? What's ironic is when you can afford it you're usually past it.
Well actually, after the purchase price of a Modern 250 is shelled out, they actually cost stuff all to run.
I can't actually remember when I last bought a tyre, and looking at it the rear will do a few more meetings yet.

Do I have fun?
I think the two biggest smiles in the pits on Saturday were on mine and Rich B's faces after we had a 5 lap dual that was a real crowd pleaser....

250 Production is were it is at... AND it IS a NATIONAL class.

To be fair Rich was on a fast F4 Bike, but the cost isn't moon beams in comparison to some.

[steveyb]

Hmmmm, an older guy racing a cheap to buy, cheap to run, safe (as it can be really) to race, fun to race, low HP but works well bike, having a ball and neither breaking the bank or himself (well not often anyway).
Imagine that......

[Drew]

To be fair Rich was on a fast F4 Bike, but the cost isn't moon beams in comparison to some.
Hahahaha. Were an average punter to pay for the professional hours Richards motor has consumed, he could fuckin near by and race a supersport bike for a year.

As for the class, the racing's good I'm sure, (I've never watched a race), but iy isn't the same thrill as a bigger bike for most who've ridden them.

[Billy]

Hmmmm, an older guy racing a cheap to buy, cheap to run, safe (as it can be really) to race, fun to race, low HP but works well bike, having a ball and neither breaking the bank or himself (well not often anyway).
Imagine that......

Mmmm,

Never thought we were ever gonna agree on anything,But youve got me there,Might be a good idea if some of these other throttle jockeys on 600s and 1000s gave it a shot first up as well.

New graduated licence should fix it for the future(If the ugliest secretary EVER,Gets around to sending me the minutes from the workshop at AGM)

[Billy]

This is why I am gobsmacked that there are people asking more more rounds for the National championships. There is already too much racing, in total

Got a plan that SHOULD suit most,Best of both worlds if we can get it sorted,Hope to release more details with Confirmed dates and venues late this week

[quickbuck]

Hmmmm, an older guy racing a cheap to buy, cheap to run, safe (as it can be really) to race, fun to race, low HP but works well bike, having a ball and neither breaking the bank or himself (well not often anyway).
Imagine that......


Mmmm,

Never thought we were ever gonna agree on anything,But youve got me there,Might be a good idea if some of these other throttle jockeys on 600s and 1000s gave it a shot first up as well.

New graduated licence should fix it for the future(If the ugliest secretary EVER,Gets around to sending me the minutes from the workshop at AGM)
At least you two get it......
I would hate to offend some people by saying they should race a bike within their means, and not think everybody has to ride 600+ to be fast.

Love this video..... Sums it up on most track days I do too....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz03sQeX02c

[quickbuck]

Hahahaha. Were an average punter to pay for the professional hours Richards motor has consumed, he could fuckin near by and race a supersport bike for a year.


Why thank you.... THAT is the only reason he beat me ;)
Nothing to do with riding better at all :)

Of course, yup, to be making the power he is out of a 150 is pretty amazing.

[Mental Trousers]

Hmmmm, an older guy racing a cheap to buy, cheap to run, safe (as it can be really) to race, fun to race, low HP but works well bike, having a ball and neither breaking the bank or himself (well not often anyway).
Imagine that......


Mmmm,

Never thought we were ever gonna agree on anything,But youve got me there,Might be a good idea if some of these other throttle jockeys on 600s and 1000s gave it a shot first up as well.

New graduated licence should fix it for the future(If the ugliest secretary EVER,Gets around to sending me the minutes from the workshop at AGM)
At least you two get it......
I would hate to offend some people by saying they should race a bike within their means, and not think everybody has to ride 600+ to be fast.

Love this video..... Sums it up on most track days I do too....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz03sQeX02c

F3 is a great budget class for those of us who need something a little roomier :facepalm:

Pro Twins is another one, although the number of broken SV motors would seem to mean it's not as cost effective as it would seem.

[quickbuck]

F3 is a great budget class for those of us who need something a little roomier :facepalm:

Pro Twins is another one, although the number of broken SV motors would seem to mean it's not as cost effective as it would seem.

Yes good point.....
I like doing something different to my team mate though ;)

[Mental Trousers]

Yes good point.....
I like doing something different to my team mate though ;)

You mean like finishing races with a working bike?

[Billy]

You mean like finishing races with a working bike?

Now thats just nasty

[quickbuck]

Now thats just nasty

Sometimes the truth hurts ;)
But yeah, a little unfair.

[jasonu]

Love this video..... Sums it up on most track days I do too....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz03sQeX02c

Nice clip. That is what it was like riding a fast Bucket in F3 at the old Taupo circuit or an RS125 in F3 at Puke before the 125's got their own class.

[Drew]

At least you two get it......
I would hate to offend some people by saying they should race a bike within their means, and not think everybody has to ride 600+ to be fast.

Love this video..... Sums it up on most track days I do too....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz03sQeX02cThat video shows a guy who can ride the bike, and some other guys can't. I do get your point.

But it's not an argument against what I was trying to say. It doesn't address my point at all.

There are lots of us out there, who simply cannot afford to race the class we have and would again want to. Who simply wouldn't get the buzz out of little bikes, (me in particular, since I can't take a smooth sweeping line on a track to fuckin save myself).

I'm sure hoards of people will make comment that I'm a crasher, and one of those who shouldn't be out there on something fast. Before anyone does though, ask around and see if I've ever taken anyone else out. Or even run anyone off track.

[swarfie]

Love this video..... Sums it up on most track days I do too....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz03sQeX02c

Thanks for that...PMSL. Cool video. I did the same to a couple of mates a few years ago over the Whangamata loop with my daughter Jo's FXR150. They were riding an R1 and a SP1 VTR and the little bike absolutely smoked them, they couldn't believe it...didn't have a look in:laugh::wings:

[Drew]

Thanks for that...PMSL. Cool video. I did the same to a couple of mates a few years ago over the Whangamata loop with my daughter Jo's FXR150. They were riding an R1 and a SP1 VTR and the little bike absolutely smoked them, they couldn't believe it...didn't have a look in:laugh::wings:

The video is from a track day, in the intermediate group. Lets not give the obviously good rider too much props, for beating the noobs on fast bikes.

[swarfie]

The video is from a track day, in the intermediate group. Lets not give the obviously good rider too much props, for beating the noobs on fast bikes.

Point taken but one of the these guys is a top rider in the classic scene here and when we swapped bikes I struggled to keep up on his SP1 as well:shit:

[Drew]

Point taken but one of the these guys is a top rider in the classic scene here and when we swapped bikes I struggled to keep up on his SP1 as well:shit:I don't doubt it Nev. Given a couple handy riders the learn or two when riding an RGV myself.

Back to the topic at hand though. The graduated licence system is certainly a good idea, but if the likes of myself are required to go back and race 250s before being allowed to get out there on a fast bike again, I'd prolly give it a miss. To it's logical end, we would have to. There are certainly many out there who cannot handle the sheer speed and power of their bikes, so a blanket rule would need to be in place.

[quickbuck]

That video shows a guy who can ride the bike, and some other guys can't. I do get your point.

But it's not an argument against what I was trying to say. It doesn't address my point at all.

There are lots of us out there, who simply cannot afford to race the class we have and would again want to. Who simply wouldn't get the buzz out of little bikes, (me in particular, since I can't take a smooth sweeping line on a track to fuckin save myself).

I'm sure hoards of people will make comment that I'm a crasher, and one of those who shouldn't be out there on something fast. Before anyone does though, ask around and see if I've ever taken anyone else out. Or even run anyone off track.

So....... Sometimes one just has to look at what they CAN afford and make a sacrifice, compromise, or what ever you want to call it....
Better to be out having fun than a very expensive dust collector in the shed I say.

Maybe if you stepped it back a little then you will learn how to take a smooth sweeping line, however in reality a late brake, very fast steering turn in, and on the gas early workes very well for little (4 Stroke) bikes too.....
It is more about slowing yourself down, learning the craft of riding, and then adding speed later....
Where have I said that before????

I assure you the speed doesn't matter when you are 20 cm or closer to the bike next to you to get the "Buzz".

[Drew]

So....... Sometimes one just has to look at what they CAN afford and make a sacrifice, compromise, or what ever you want to call it....
Better to be out having fun than a very expensive dust collector in the shed I say.

Maybe if you stepped it back a little then you will learn how to take a smooth sweeping line, however in reality a late brake, very fast steering turn in, and on the gas early workes very well for little (4 Stroke) bikes too.....
It is more about slowing yourself down, learning the craft of riding, and then adding speed later....
Where have I said that before????

I assure you the speed doesn't matter when you are 20 cm or closer to the bike next to you to get the "Buzz".

I have looked at what I can do to stay out there. Sidecars is where it's at!

[quickbuck]

I have looked at what I can do to stay out there. Sidecars is where it's at!

Yep, what ever spins your wheels.......
Good on you for doing that I say.

Just to be clear, it wasn't a personal dig at all.
I am just amazed at the number of times I hear that people want to race, but can't afford to run the bike they have......

It's like, " I want to take the kids to school, but can't afford tyres for the 4 x 4"
My answer is, "A Corolla has enough room and seats to take kids to school" (Obviously this would assume up to 3 children).... as an example.

[Drew]

Yep, what ever spins your wheels.......
Good on you for doing that I say.

Just to be clear, it wasn't a personal dig at all.
I am just amazed at the number of times I hear that people want to race, but can't afford to run the bike they have......

It's like, " I want to take the kids to school, but can't afford tyres for the 4 x 4"
My answer is, "A Corolla has enough room and seats to take kids to school" (Obviously this would assume up to 3 children).... as an example.

Didn't think it was a dig.

The calls for extra classes falls under that same umbrella I reckon. Although, I'll be taking the RF out in 90's carbs from time to time if it keeps getting run. Just for shits and giggles.

[quickbuck]

Didn't think it was a dig.

The calls for extra classes falls under that same umbrella I reckon. Although, I'll be taking the RF out in 90's carbs from time to time if it keeps getting run. Just for shits and giggles.
That's the way.

We had a guy turn up on his Ninja 250r because he was riding it to work, and wanted to see how it went on the track under race conditions...
For the first day (after a 10 year break from the track) he did pretty well, and enjoyed himself.

Even if we get people turning up ocasionally on random stuff, it is better than not at all......
I say that provided they ask advise of experienced people before heading out, and listen VERY CAREFULLY at riders brief.... and for goodness sakes ask the stupidest questions, as the most stupid question is the one that is not asked.

Right back on topic.
I have made a Decision, and come up with a cunning plan...... as I know a base in Ashburton (75 k from Timaru AND Christchurch) I might even do the South Island rounds on the cheap.....

[Deano]

T

I'm sure hoards of people will make comment that I'm a crasher, and one of those who shouldn't be out there on something fast. Before anyone does though, ask around and see if I've ever taken anyone else out. Or even run anyone off track.

Head on's over the Takas count ?

Nah it wasn't even close really, but its odd seeing a bike heading toward you on your side of the road and thinking, hey, that's me mate Drew LOL

[Deano]

Pro Twins is another one, although the number of broken SV motors would seem to mean it's not as cost effective as it would seem.

At the risk of jinxing myself after my SV engines freshen up, not all pro twins are 'created' equal and they don't like high compression.

I got 5000 race k's out of my stocker - 4 seasons of racing. And Drew had a go at it before me too.

I hope it lasts as long again !

[Deano]

I don't doubt it Nev. Given a couple handy riders the learn or two when riding an RGV myself.



Not sure if you're referring to me ? Nah couldn't be cause its almost a compliment LOL

But anyhoo - just in case it is, you can't count overtaking me while I'm looking over my shoulder to see where you are, and then crashing in front of me on the down hill !!

[Mental Trousers]

I got 5000 race k's out of my stocker - 4 seasons of racing. And Drew had a go at it before me too.

If Drew can't break it then you've got a good one!!!

[gixerracer]

At the risk of jinxing myself after my SV engines freshen up, not all pro twins are 'created' equal and they don't like high compression.

I got 5000 race k's out of my stocker - 4 seasons of racing. And Drew had a go at it before me too.

I hope it lasts as long again !

On my Ray CLee built (engine) GSXR 1000 I have just done 2 National Series plus Tri Series and pre season testing without even changing the spark plugs, no valve clearance checks nothing - Never had the rocker cover off it. Who said Superbikes are expensive?

[trustme]

Ummm, What was the build cost to get it ready for racing. Just asking .:innocent::innocent:

[Robert Taylor]

On my Ray CLee built (engine) GSXR 1000 I have just done 2 National Series plus Tri Series and pre season testing without even changing the spark plugs, no valve clearance checks nothing - Never had the rocker cover off it. Who said Superbikes are expensive?

Suzuki NZ for one Craig, thats why they have pulled the pin on a lot of their loss making expenditure in that sporting code and effectively asked the riders to find ways to fund a lot more of the expenditure. As we all well know.

[wharfy]

Hmmmm, an older guy racing a cheap to buy, cheap to run, safe (as it can be really) to race, fun to race, low HP but works well bike, having a ball and neither breaking the bank or himself (well not often anyway).
Imagine that......

Sounds pretty sensible, of course there is nothing "sensible" about racing motorcycles....:)

[Drew]

If Drew can't break it then you've got a good one!!!I'm not too hard on the motors arsehole!

Don't you have a land claim to go file or summat?

[Deano]

On my Ray CLee built (engine) GSXR 1000 I have just done 2 National Series plus Tri Series and pre season testing without even changing the spark plugs, no valve clearance checks nothing - Never had the rocker cover off it. Who said Superbikes are expensive?

Hey you should have on sold it to Paul Duncan :whistle:

[Mental Trousers]

Don't you have a land claim to go file or summat?

Probably. What's your address??

[Drew]

Probably. What's your address??It's a rental owned by an Asian fellow. If he's still got it, there's no claim to be had sorry.

[Tony.OK]

I'm not too hard on the motors arsehole!

Just the whole bikes aye fella? :blip:

[Drew]

Just the whole bikes aye fella? :blip:Oh fuck yeah, rest of the bike is gonna be proper fucked, or finish in front of you. Those are the only two options.

[Tony.OK]

Oh fuck yeah, rest of the bike is gonna be proper fucked, or finish in front of you. Those are the only two options.

Do you actually know how hard it is to race when you're pissing yourself laughing? Bloody hard to see ya know!

[Billy]

Suzuki NZ for one Craig, thats why they have pulled the pin on a lot of their loss making expenditure in that sporting code and effectively asked the riders to find ways to fund a lot more of the expenditure. As we all well know.

And yet they are the ones most against going to stock engines!!!

[Robert Taylor]

And yet they are the ones most against going to stock engines!!!

Id beg to differ. The Honda 600 riders currently have the most to lose on that score.

[Billy]

Id beg to differ. The Honda 600 riders currently have the most to lose on that score.

Beg all you want,But the facts are that Suzuki NZ do not want the SBK class to go to stock engines

[Drew]

Id beg to differ. The Honda 600 riders currently have the most to lose on that score.

Why? Even the trick CBRs are fuckin slow and shit!

[Mental Trousers]

Only in NZ SBK. In WSS the CBR is the bike to have unless you can get the ZX6 to handle properly.

[Robert Taylor]

Beg all you want,But the facts are that Suzuki NZ do not want the SBK class to go to stock engines

Suits me Billy! The rear shock internal settings are calibrated to the current torque outputs.

[jellywrestler]

Suits me Billy! The rear shock internal settings are calibrated to the current torque outputs.

surely they're adjustable?

[steveyb]

Fully.

10 char

[Robert Taylor]

surely they're adjustable?

All suspension units are FULLY ADJUSTABLE externally and never need revalving or respringing. Havent you read that in the pamphlets and listened to other people spinning such BS to sell suspension?

BTW Bill Clinton never had sex with that woman and the holocaust never happened

[nodrog]

All suspension units are FULLY ADJUSTABLE externally and never need revalving or respringing. Havent you read that in the pamphlets and listened to other people spinning such BS to sell suspension?

BTW Bill Clinton never had sex with that woman and the holocaust never happened

You could have sex with women at the holocaust? doesn't sound too bad to me.

[Robert Taylor]

You could have sex with women at the holocaust? doesn't sound too bad to me.

Likely more than a few of their captors did!

[quickbuck]

Only in NZ SBK. In WSS the CBR is the bike to have unless you can get the ZX6 to handle properly.

Except if your name is Sam Lowes?? Apparently the R6 is pretty handy too... Could be just him ;)

[Mental Trousers]

Except if your name is Sam Lowes?? Apparently the R6 is pretty handy too... Could be just him ;)

Yeah I think it's got something to do with the rider. The R6 is down on top end (in that company) but he still sets faster lap times than everyone else.

[Drew]

Only in NZ SBK. In WSS the CBR is the bike to have unless you can get the ZX6 to handle properly.

So? We live in New Zealand, and this thread is about our championship.

[Mental Trousers]

So? We live in New Zealand, and this thread is about our championship.

So the NZ ones aren't as trick or as fast as they could be. Importing a couple of Ten Kate built bikes would make life interesting.

[Drew]

So the NZ ones aren't as trick or as fast as they could be. Importing a couple of Ten Kate built bikes would make life interesting.Since you'd have to throw away about fifty grands worth of parts to fit our rules, interesting is not the word I'd use.

[gixerracer]

So the NZ ones aren't as trick or as fast as they could be. Importing a couple of Ten Kate built bikes would make life interesting.

Jud Greedy in OZ back ib I think 06 or 07 sent Ten Kate the Ozzy rules and a buch of money and they sent him a motor built to the OZZY rules. Its was slow way slower than the Honda Ozzy bikes, just because they are on telly dint mean they are the be all and end all.

[gixerracer]

Suits me Billy! The rear shock internal settings are calibrated to the current torque outputs.

You sir are a cock

[Robert Taylor]

You sir are a cock

But of course a very useful one Craig.

[steveyb]

You sir are a cock

More fun to be a cock than an arse!
:killingme

[Mental Trousers]

More fun to be a cock than an arse!
:killingme


Gary Johnston: We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. And the Film Actors Guild are pussies. And Kim Jong Il is an asshole. Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit!

Just awesome :niceone:

[steveyb]

Team America, Fuck Yeah!
I'm so ronrey.....

[Drew]

I'm so ronrey.....
That's because...You're an asshole.

[Mental Trousers]

That's because...You're an asshole.

You're a dick

[steveyb]

I wonder if it is ok to be a pussy?

[Mental Trousers]

They really should've included tongues in that piece of wisdom. After all, tongues lick pussies, dicks and even arseholes. Although it is pretty rare for someone to be called a tongue.

[RobGassit]

They really should've included tongues in that piece of wisdom. After all, tongues lick pussies, dicks and even arseholes. Although it is pretty rare for someone to be called a tongue.

Even though every club has at least one!

[wharfy]

Just awesome :niceone:

The chunder scene was the best bit of the whole movie (followed closely by "puppet sex" )

[Bill59]

Yip,

I can answer that seeing as it was me that made the decision,

As the organiser for that round last year completely ignored the format arranged during a meeting with all organisers for that series as well as failed to answer any correspondence leading up to the round and then all but told me to F,,k off when I approached him about it on the friday and has since not answered my requests since the series finished for info I need to organise the 2014 series
I have lost faith in him and despite me talking to the club president and him intervening and things showing no sign of improving,I have been forced to organise the series differently,I even went to the lengths of asking another club to run the round down there and was refused,To date I have still not received the required info I needed from them and the series is now already running behind schedule because of it,End of story really,I'd be reasonably stupid to think I was going to get a different result from the same people really.

What arranged format was completely ignored?

[Billy]

What arranged format was completely ignored?

Hi Bill,

Not really a whole lot of point me answering this at this late stage,But I will anyway,The format that was discussed during the phone conference and then confirmed after a small change in September,The representative from your club was made aware and given the same info as everybody else,No point discussing this further as the decision has been made,If you have any further queries,mnzrrc@gmail.com

[codgyoleracer]

Hi Bill,

Not really a whole lot of point me answering this at this late stage,But I will anyway,The format that was discussed during the phone conference and then confirmed after a small change in September,The representative from your club was made aware and given the same info as everybody else,No point discussing this further as the decision has been made,If you have any further queries,mnzrrc@gmail.com


What he said :niceone:

[Robert Taylor]

Hi Bill,

Not really a whole lot of point me answering this at this late stage,But I will anyway,The format that was discussed during the phone conference and then confirmed after a small change in September,The representative from your club was made aware and given the same info as everybody else,No point discussing this further as the decision has been made,If you have any further queries,mnzrrc@gmail.com

I concur. Its VERY important that timetables / schedules of events are locked in and advised well in advance. In that respect Billy has acted properly, if he hasn't suffered fools then good on him!

What we forget is that this is not only about the riders, there are a LOT of people involved to put the show on the road and the biggest drain on sanity is uncertainty and indecision, in part because of others who cannot get their act together.

As one of many suppliers to this sporting code and also as one who takes an active support role I think its not an unreasonable expectation to want certainty about the calendar well in advance. Road racing is only a part of what we do and believe me there are plenty of other activities that would be a whole load less taxing and would actually turn a profit!

There is a need to lock in flights or other forms of travel as early as possible to get the best deals, ditto for accommodation etc. Also there are other events and activities competing for attention during the same part of the year. Many have to be planned for several months in advance.

[jellywrestler]

the biggest drain on sanity is uncertainty and indecision
Clearly you haven't spent a night in my basement then else that may well be at the top of your list.

[shoutout]

have we had confirmed clubs running Taupo and Manfield and which club is hosting TT ?

[Billy]

Clearly you haven't spent a night in my basement then else that may well be at the top of your list.

Well yeah,Like trying to find a way out alive

[gixerracer]

have we had confirmed clubs running Taupo and Manfield and which club is hosting TT ?

Confirmed rounds with dates are on MZN website
www.mnz.co.nz

[wayne]

is that the one dated 8th august ?

[Tony.OK]

I can't for the life of me find any NZSBK dates on the MNZ site :no: The site really is bloody horrible to navigate, hit the Road race button and it brings up some races for 2 months, then hit same button again and it brings up more till April next year, but no Nats dates.

[Dave-]

I can't for the life of me find any NZSBK dates on the MNZ site :no: The site really is bloody horrible to navigate, hit the Road race button and it brings up some races for 2 months, then hit same button again and it brings up more till April next year, but no Nats dates.

It's actually Billy's way of hinting that he's far too busy organising a nationals series to have a nationals series.

[Billy]

It's actually Billy's way of hinting that he's far too busy organising a nationals series to have a nationals series.

Hahahaha!!! I can't find them on there either,But then I didn't look that hard as I already knew what they were,Its easier to go to the Motorcycling NZ facebook page,I don't have anything to do with the website

[wayne]

go road racing.......
club.............
championship...............
2013 championships allocations ...................

[Dave-]

go road racing.......
club.............
championship...............
2013 championships allocations ...................

can you provide a link?

closest I could find is this:

http://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-source/club/2013-mnz-championship-allocations.pdf?sfvrsn=2

[wayne]

thats the one............
5 rounds

[The Chow]

Graeme Billington
I am pleased to be able to FINALLY be able to release the confirmed dates for the 2014 NZSBK series,They are as follows:

Round 1 Ruapuna park January 4th and 5th inc NZGPs
Round 2 Levels raceway January 11th and 12th
Round 3 Taupo Motorsport park March 22nd and 23rd inc NZTTs
Round 4 Manfeild park March 27th,28th,29th,30th

The final round at Manfeild will be an extended event ...with 5 races for each class.

Graeme Billington,
Roadrace commissioner
Motorcycling NZ

[Dave-]

Graeme Billington
I am pleased to be able to FINALLY be able to release the confirmed dates for the 2014 NZSBK series,They are as follows:

Round 1 Ruapuna park January 4th and 5th inc NZGPs
Round 2 Levels raceway January 11th and 12th
Round 3 Taupo Motorsport park March 22nd and 23rd inc NZTTs
Round 4 Manfeild park March 27th,28th,29th,30th

The final round at Manfeild will be an extended event ...with 5 races for each class.

Graeme Billington,
Roadrace commissioner
Motorcycling NZ

That was posted to facebook nearly a month ago, facebook is definitely not a reliable source of information nor should it be an official channel of MNZ information, anyone could sign up a facebook page called NZSBK 2014 and post drivel.

On the MNZ website the latest news reads:

http://www.mnz.co.nz/news/news-detail/2013/08/27/road-race---manfield-park


MNZ Road Race Commissioner Graeme Billington have taken the steps of temporarily withdrawing all permits for events at Manfeild Park due to the changes to the circuit at the exit of the sweeper leading onto the front straight. As the gravel trap has been removed and replaced with tarseal.

We have discussed the situation and I have decided it is in my opinion, no longer safe for motorcycles to compete on. I have entered into talks with Cemetery Circuit and they have offered us the use of their air fencing at this venue. However, until such time as we can secure an amicable agreement with regard storage of the air fencing, I will not allow motorcycle events to take place.

I will be working very hard in the next few days to rectify the situation and hope to have it resolved by the end of this week.

Of course this news is not dated (who the fuck designed this website?!? why isn't there a date?) but if you go digging you can find that it was posted on Aug 27, 2013 which is cool.

[Kickaha]

facebook is definitely not a reliable source of information nor should it be an official channel of MNZ information
Same could be said about KB, not hard to contact them directly though

[Dave-]

Same could be said about KB, not hard to contact them directly though

That's not my point.

But you're right Billy is very easy to contact, very quick to reply and very helpful.

Is everyone who wants to know the date of the nationals series really suppose to email Billy to find out?

My point is that Billy stresses the importance of proper protocol, which is fine and a good thing really. But information concerning the nationals series seems to be scattered about a few website and a few facebook pages? surely proper protocol would suggest that all information be found on the MNZ website which is kept up to date?

edit: I forgot about this


thats the one............
5 rounds

Look at the dates a little closer wayne, you might notice that the document hasn't been updated in a while....

[Billy]

That's not my point.

But you're right Billy is very easy to contact, very quick to reply and very helpful.

Is everyone who wants to know the date of the nationals series really suppose to email Billy to find out?

My point is that Billy stresses the importance of proper protocol, which is fine and a good thing really. But information concerning the nationals series seems to be scattered about a few website and a few facebook pages? surely proper protocol would suggest that all information be found on the MNZ website which is kept up to date?

edit: I forgot about this



Look at the dates a little closer wayne, you might notice that the document hasn't been updated in a while....

Yip,

I fully agree Dave re the protocols and am only to happy to deal with anything that comes through my inbox(s),However I can't control everything and wouldnt have the knowledge or time anyway.

I think wayne and a few others down your way just can't get their heads around the fact Teretonga is off the calendar for the meantime,Even if the girls at the office had mistakenly put up a date for them,It still wouldn't be happening,Time for some to accept theyve mucked up and move on

[CHOPPA]

Cool so its all go?

When I was down south yesterday there was a lot of "talk" about no club running the Taupo event so it was going to be dropped and something about Manfeild is not safe due to recent works?

Sounds like chinese whispers...

Who are the clubs running Taupo and Manfeild?

[neil_cb125t]

Yip,

I fully agree Dave re the protocols and am only to happy to deal with anything that comes through my inbox(s),However I can't control everything and wouldnt have the knowledge or time anyway.

I think wayne and a few others down your way just can't get their heads around the fact Teretonga is off the calendar for the meantime,Even if the girls at the office had mistakenly put up a date for them,It still wouldn't be happening,Time for some to accept theyve mucked up and move on

http://www.mnz.co.nz/news/news-detail/2013/08/27/road-race---manfield-park

During the test day I did notice the WHITE markers on either side of the track, these were put in or highlighted when the tarseal went down. If a bike or car was to run wide over the ripple strips then you pretty much are lined up to hit the White plastic makers....these too should be moved/removed.

In the Wet it that lack of gravel would be pretty dicy!

[Billy]

Cool so its all go?

When I was down south yesterday there was a lot of "talk" about no club running the Taupo event so it was going to be dropped and something about Manfeild is not safe due to recent works?

Sounds like chinese whispers...

Who are the clubs running Taupo and Manfeild?

Yip,

That figures,Funny thing is I haven't spoken to anybody in the SI about the NI rounds,Vic club are running Taupo and Pac club are running Manfeild,Andrew Presant from the VIC club will be Clerk of the course at ALL the rounds and even he doesnt everything about it yet,Lot of bullshitters on the scene,I thought you of all people would have known,If it didnt come from me or the office,Its most likely gossip

[SWERVE]

I hadn't heard any rumours ! However there is revolt among the peasants about the possibility of no Greymouth:weep:
Does that mean Minefield will be open for unofficial practice on wed 26th march ?

[jellywrestler]

Yip,

That figures,Funny thing is I haven't spoken to anybody in the SI about the NI rounds,Vic club are running Taupo and Pac club are running Manfeild,Andrew Presant from the VIC club will be Clerk of the course at ALL the rounds and even he doesnt everything about it yet,Lot of bullshitters on the scene,I thought you of all people would have known,If it didnt come from me or the office,Its most likely gossip

i heard that all the rounds will be at night and run in reverse of normal direction...

[Bill59]

Hi Bill,

Not really a whole lot of point me answering this at this late stage,But I will anyway,The format that was discussed during the phone conference and then confirmed after a small change in September,The representative from your club was made aware and given the same info as everybody else,No point discussing this further as the decision has been made,If you have any further queries,mnzrrc@gmail.com

Hi Billy,
I realise you already made your decision re Teretonga long ago. But, as I was involved with organising the previous event, I would like to prevent a recurrence of this at future events. I checked the preceding SI
events and cannot find any difference between them and Teretonga regarding number of races and laps etc. Please advise what was ignored.

[Dave-]

Hi Billy,
I realise you already made your decision re Teretonga long ago. But, as I was involved with organising the previous event, I would like to prevent a recurrence of this at future events. I checked the preceding SI
events and cannot find any difference between them and Teretonga regarding number of races and laps etc. Please advise what was ignored.

Let me save you a bit of time.

What you need to say is:


Hi Billy,

I realise you already made your decision re Teretonga long ago. But, as I was involved with organising the previous event, I would like to prevent a recurrence of this at future events. I checked the preceding SI
events and cannot find any difference between them and Teretonga regarding number of races and laps etc. Please advise what was ignored.

Regards

Bill

Put that in an email and send it to acrfibreglass@actrix.co.nz

[codgyoleracer]

Let me save you a bit of time.

What you need to say is:



Put that in an email and send it to acrfibreglass@actrix.co.nz


Are you completly mad ? :-)
Surely your best to put the question on Facebook, KB, Twitter etc - In fact any forum that does not directly have any official responsibilty to provide an answer that means anything. :brick:
I am as pissed off as anyone that were not going to Invers this year, - but I am kinda getting the idea now why we arnt.....