Tickets for slow drivers! [Archive]

Tarded

31st May 2013, 21:41

I agree but the slow speed enforcement is much more labour intensive.

A 'slow camera' wont work as there are too many valid excuses - I was sneezing, I thought I saw an XXX on the road, the guy in front was ......... etc.

Speed is easy. You go over 104km/h - here is your prize.

Slow driving requires a cop to follow some vehicles and observe long enough to be able to defend a not guilty ticket beyond reasonable doubt. That is longer than 'click' takes.

No doubt a slow driver will attempt to hold their much loved and proudly held moral high ground too.

So there will be less tickets no doubt - but how gratifying would it be seeing the asshole in front getting a ticket - mr 85km/h everywhere but 110km/h on the passing lanes and straights.
the self appointed social controllers of the highways?

So fuck all the super slow 'Im a safe driver' types. If you cant do the limit in a modernish (or even oldish vehicle) then stay home.

I wonder if the slows will hit the gas the way hoons hit the brakes?

kinger

31st May 2013, 21:52

............. If you cant do the limit ........

You are aware of the definition of limit, eh?
Fuckin ridiculous argument. You ride a bike, go round them.
Are all agricultural vehicles, fork lifts, etc then going to be banned as well?

Virago

31st May 2013, 22:22

...If you cant do the limit in a modernish (or even oldish vehicle) then stay home...

You do realise that "the limit" you speak of is a maximum, not a minimum? You seem to be suggesting otherwise.

JimO

1st June 2013, 06:46

i would rather they ticketed the slow cunts that speed to 125 at passing lanes then drop back to 85 at the other end

mrchips

1st June 2013, 07:13

Meh...... I ride a motorcycle.

Who & what are these slow drivers you speak of ? :nya:

caspernz

1st June 2013, 13:20

Mmmmm, I wonder if they'll also ticket the moron vege growers in the Levin area who refuse to use a truck to haul their produce in from the fields...simply using their tractor and cart to dawdle down State Highway One at 20 clicks??? I hate to admit it, but there have been times when I've been tempted to just ram those contraptions back to where they belong...the paddock. But the poor bugger driving it is only doing his job I suppose :(

SMOKEU

1st June 2013, 16:26

Fuckin ridiculous argument. You ride a bike, go round them.

If a slow driver is doing 80kmh, and you overtake at 100kmh, then you have to be on the wrong side of the road for a long time exposing yourself to danger for that entire duration. If there's moderate or heavy oncoming traffic, you can't safely do that. If you increase your speed to above 104kmh when overtaking, then you're doing something illegal.

What's your smart answer to that?

red mermaid

1st June 2013, 16:39

Ticket them for what?...They are allowed to do this.

Mmmmm, I wonder if they'll also ticket the moron vege growers in the Levin area who refuse to use a truck to haul their produce in from the fields...simply using their tractor and cart to dawdle down State Highway One at 20 clicks??? I hate to admit it, but there have been times when I've been tempted to just ram those contraptions back to where they belong...the paddock. But the poor bugger driving it is only doing his job I suppose :(

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1st June 2013, 16:52

SMOKEU

1st June 2013, 18:21

Fuck what the law says, change down and twist the throttle wide open. That dawdling cager will soon be a distant memory.

That's what I usually tend to do, but why should I have to risk getting an infringement notice just because some selfish prick who thinks they own the roads refuses to pull over to let other traffic past?

The worst ones are around mountainous roads where there's no safe place to overtake, no matter how much throttle you give it.

McFatty1000

1st June 2013, 19:12

That's what I usually tend to do, but why should I have to risk getting an infringement notice just because some selfish prick who thinks they own the roads refuses to pull over to let other traffic past?

The worst ones are around mountainous roads where there's no safe place to overtake, no matter how much throttle you give it.

This

Also, its the slow ones that swerve to stop you getting past - had a line of camper vans do this on some windy bits, was beyond stupid of them

kinger

2nd June 2013, 08:37

If a slow driver is doing 80kmh, and you overtake at 100kmh, then you have to be on the wrong side of the road for a long time exposing yourself to danger for that entire duration. If there's moderate or heavy oncoming traffic, you can't safely do that. If you increase your speed to above 104kmh when overtaking, then you're doing something illegal.

What's your smart answer to that?

You stay there til there's space.
I'm struggling to work out your necessity to be permanently head of the queue without the patience and consideration that could be extended to someone who has slowed.
Do you genuinely feel that some nervous teenager in mum's new car should be hooning at the very legal high end of the speed limit rather than feeling their way into this terrifying world of impatient fuckwits sitting intimidatingly up their rear bumper.

Mushu

2nd June 2013, 09:07

Do you genuinely feel that some nervous teenager in mum's new car should be hooning at the very legal high end of the speed limit rather than feeling their way into this terrifying world of impatient fuckwits sitting intimidatingly up their rear bumper.

In a word, yes. A big part of driving is knowing your machine (be it car, bike, truck etc..) if you don't have the ability to do things quickly and efficiently on the road you shouldn't be there.
These people need to go back to empty carparks, paddocks (how I learned), or country side roads and get out of the path of traffic or give it up and take the bus.
And why is it they are suddenly capable of doing 110 as soon as an overtaking lane appears.
Being a truck driver I will concede that some vehicles are incapable of the speed limit, but they should pull over whenever possible so as not to hold up traffic more than necessary.

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BoristheBiter

2nd June 2013, 09:17

In a word, yes. A big part of driving is knowing your machine (be it car, bike, truck etc..) if you don't have the ability to do things quickly and efficiently on the road you shouldn't be there.
These people need to go back to empty carparks, paddocks (how I learned), or country side roads and get out of the path of traffic or give it up and take the bus.
And why is it they are suddenly capable of doing 110 as soon as an overtaking lane appears.
Being a truck driver I will concede that some vehicles are incapable of the speed limit, but they should pull over whenever possible so as not to hold up traffic more than necessary.

So in your own logic we should ban all trucks as they are unable to go as fast as the rest of the traffic (be that for ability or laws).

Mushu

2nd June 2013, 09:29

So in your own logic we should ban all trucks as they are unable to go as fast as the rest of the traffic (be that for ability or laws).

Read the last sentence of the post you quoted.

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BoristheBiter

2nd June 2013, 09:37

Read the last sentence of the post you quoted.

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What, the part where you contradict yourself? yes I did read it.

You can't have it both ways, if you want to give tickets to slow drivers or want them off the road then it will apply to all not just the ones you want off.

Mushu

2nd June 2013, 10:00

What, the part where you contradict yourself? yes I did read it.

You can't have it both ways, if you want to give tickets to slow drivers or want them off the road then it will apply to all not just the ones you want off.

I never contradicted myself, most of the problem slow drivers out there drive average cars quite capable of doing speeds far higher than the limit (I was stuck behind a HSV clubbie doing 75 in a 100 zone when I was in the cage a few days ago), I accept that some vehicles can't but I do think it's reasonable for them to pull over frequently to let other vehicles past.

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Damantis

2nd June 2013, 10:37

It will be a tiny fraction of the infringements issued over the weekend. It will be interesting if they release the numbers and types of infringement notices issued.
They probably hope this publicity will cause some to speed up, thus putting more fish in the barrell. Speed limits are just a guidline anyway. The real tolerance is 40kph over the guideline. After that, they don't let you drive / ride.

The other thing I heard they are targetting is following distances. If you're only going to pass someone at 104kph, chances are you'll be right up thier date before going around them.

Gremlin

2nd June 2013, 12:35

And why is it they are suddenly capable of doing 110 as soon as an overtaking lane appears.
This is actually an easy one. The road is visibly wider to them, so they feel safer travelling faster. Perhaps some do it deliberately, but I bet a lot do it subconciously.

Same theory for why the powers are painting white left hand lines on suburban roads. Placed roughly where the edge of a parked car would be, the idea is to narrow the road making drivers slow down.

SMOKEU

2nd June 2013, 13:00

You stay there til there's space.
I'm struggling to work out your necessity to be permanently head of the queue without the patience and consideration that could be extended to someone who has slowed.
Do you genuinely feel that some nervous teenager in mum's new car should be hooning at the very legal high end of the speed limit rather than feeling their way into this terrifying world of impatient fuckwits sitting intimidatingly up their rear bumper.

There have been many times that I've traveled significantly slower than the posted speed limit, even when the road and weather conditions permit a much higher speed. This was when I was either towing a trailer, or driving a slow vehicle (sometimes uphill) that is incapable of traveling at the speed limit. Instead of trying to be as selfish as I can in order to piss everyone else off, I pull over as soon as it's safe to do so to let traffic past. That way no one gets held up for any more than reasonably possible, and everyone is happy.

I always try to be as courteous and mindful of other road users as I can, as I know that I don't own the roads and other legitimate road users have just as much right to be on the roads as I do. I have no right to hold up traffic unreasonably, and nor does anyone else. It would be nice if other people thought the same.

Subike

2nd June 2013, 13:16

No matter which side of the argument you take, here you will be wrong either way.
Just ride to the conditions and be patient.
The destination is only relevant to cage drivers, to bikers it should be the ride.
So if they are slow. then you get to enjoy the scenery at a slower pace, win win.
I like to be alive and relaxed when I arrive at journeys end..
sound like heaps on here like to be stressed and angry when they arrive
so they can toss shit at all the wankers who fucked up their ride and made it a fucking waste of time
Bugga!

Flip

2nd June 2013, 13:49

Just got back home from the brass, I went on a vintage sidecar unit that has a max cruising speed of only 80 Kph.

Surprisingly I probably saw 20 cops, didn't get a ticket for traveling slow and got a wave from half of them.

Bonez

2nd June 2013, 14:56

Fuck what the law says, change down and twist the throttle wide open. That dawdling cager will soon be a distant memory.Of course the cager will laugh their cock off when he/she/it passes you a few km's down the road pulled over by the plod.

BoristheBiter

2nd June 2013, 17:58

I never contradicted myself, most of the problem slow drivers out there drive average cars quite capable of doing speeds far higher than the limit (I was stuck behind a HSV clubbie doing 75 in a 100 zone when I was in the cage a few days ago), I accept that some vehicles can't but I do think it's reasonable for them to pull over frequently to let other vehicles past.

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Now get trucks to do the same and you might have something.
I would say ban all trucks off the road but just understand that not all are going as fast as I do.

Maybe that comes siting on the AKL car park each day.

Tarded

2nd June 2013, 21:24

Of course the cager will laugh their cock off when he/she/it passes you a few km's down the road pulled over by the plod.

The guy who hoons past on the open road at great velocity is my friend. The faster the better.

There will be a patrol car somewhere ahead - fetchemup boy, good dog.

As for the limit issue - if on a fine day you cvant do the speed limit then you have to have a look at yourself.
If its the vehicle then cool, pull left when you can.

If its ability then sort it out - get training.

If it asshole power syndrome then I hope your crankshaft snaps. In a remote rainy area.
with the workshop is closed and the towie sick.

neels

2nd June 2013, 23:40

If you can't cope with travelling at something near the speed limit on a clear road in good conditions, then it could be argued that you possibly shouldn't have a licence, ie if your brain doesn't function well enough to operate a motor vehicle at 100 on a straight road then you probably can't react quickly enough if something unexpected happens.

I have observed a slow car driver with a large queue of traffic stuck behind being pulled over by a policeman that posts on kb, very satisfying to watch, and should be encouraged.

And yeah, my transport if I'm heading away on holiday etc is a slug, so if I see something appear in my mirror I get the fuck out of their way and let them go on their way. Only pisses me off when I let them pass on a straight road and then they slow to half the posted recommended speed at the next corner, because they can't drive for shit.

Coolz

2nd June 2013, 23:59

Now get trucks to do the same and you might have something.
I would say ban all trucks off the road but just understand that not all are going as fast as I do.

Maybe that comes siting on the AKL car park each day.

I failed my class 5 for going "off road" when I drove on the shoulder to let a line of cars pass. I was told the legal definition of a road was between the centre line and the white line marked on the left of the road and I must stay between these lines. By crossing the line on the left I was invalidating the company's insurance and putting the truck in danger of rolling over if the shoulder crumbled. When I mentioned the cars I was holding up the driving instructor said "they can wait, thats what passing lanes were designed for".

Virago

3rd June 2013, 00:02

Read the last sentence of the post you quoted.

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The last sentence? This one?

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Not sure of the relevence really?

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Mushu

3rd June 2013, 03:41

The last sentence? This one?

Not sure of the relevence really?

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Check again, he didn't quote that sentence.

I hope you're not holding up traffic surfing the internets while you ride around on your Virago.

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BoristheBiter

3rd June 2013, 09:21

I failed my class 5 for going "off road" when I drove on the shoulder to let a line of cars pass. I was told the legal definition of a road was between the centre line and the white line marked on the left of the road and I must stay between these lines. By crossing the line on the left I was invalidating the company's insurance and putting the truck in danger of rolling over if the shoulder crumbled. When I mentioned the cars I was holding up the driving instructor said "they can wait, thats what passing lanes were designed for".

And that there is the problem I see with so many on the road (not just trucks). fuck everyone else because I'm fine.

That might be a good idea if we had passing lanes, but they are so few and far between and made even worse if it is on the B roads.

I'll stick to my first idea and just ban all trucks between 6am and 11pm, well at least from useing transit lanes.

BoristheBiter

3rd June 2013, 09:26

Check again, he didn't quote that sentence.

No but that's not what you said and V is right that is the last sentence in your post.:bleh:

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Bonez

3rd June 2013, 09:27

Look Mum, the kiddies don't want to share :corn::corn:

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Bonez

3rd June 2013, 09:30

The guy who hoons past on the open road at great velocity is my friend. The faster the better.

There will be a patrol car somewhere ahead - fetchemup boy, good dog.

As for the limit issue - if on a fine day you cvant do the speed limit then you have to have a look at yourself.
If its the vehicle then cool, pull left when you can.

If its ability then sort it out - get training.

If it asshole power syndrome then I hope your crankshaft snaps. In a remote rainy area.
with the workshop is closed and the towie sick.You have mates?

As for remote breakdowns I've found cockies more than happy to help out. Even got towed to a pub once. Interesting experience having your bike towed by a 4 be 4 at 30-40kph. FWIW 70% of the riding I do is on "remote" roads. They're lot more interesting. a lot less :tugger: and everybody seems to :wavey: It's very rare I see a Fuzzy Wuzzy. They tend to hang out where it's easy pickings. You should try them out.

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Mushu

3rd June 2013, 11:31

No but that's not what you said and V is right that is the last sentence in your post.:bleh:

Sorry, my fault for assuming people would know the difference between the content of a post and a sig.

I'll stick to my first idea and just ban all trucks between 6am and 11pm,

This is quite possibly the stupidest idea I've read on Kb to date.

So after misreading my post and asking if I wanted to ban trucks you want to effectively ban trucks. Do you feel like freight should be more expensive? Imagine what that would do to the price of... well, everything.

Not to mention the fact that every truck in the country would be on the road outside those hours to try and make up for lost time, and more drivers missing their rest breaks, it would be anarchy out there every night.

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Str8 Jacket

3rd June 2013, 11:47

Why can't we all just get along? :cry:

george formby

3rd June 2013, 12:36

Why can't we all just get along? :cry:

No fun in that..

I think the old term for the targeted drivers is Road Hogs, people holding up the progress of traffic when they have safe opportunities to allow following vehicles to pass. Loads of em round here, that's why I have a fridge & microwave in the van, for snacks.

Followed a steam traction engine for 15 mins last Saturday, on it's way to the puff & pull carnival, my speedo needle said 0 kmh. Not a skerrick of frustration or angst did I feel. Bizarrely, the driver of the wee, yellow Suzuki swift which I had overtaken earlier because they could not drive faster than 60 kmh went nuts trying to get past & nearly had a head on at one point in his desperation to hold up more traffic & steam traction engines. Just had to be at the front I guess.

Trucks? I like em. Rarely have I come across a truck driven by a muppet road hog. They are not that slow in the scheme of things either. I'm not going to go mad to get past one so I can travel 5 kmh faster.

McFatty1000

3rd June 2013, 22:45

The only real issues I've had with trucks have been when they get held up by someone crawling around corners and up hills which slows the truck down and ruins its momentum. So not the trucks fault anyway. Just takes so much longer for them to get up to speed.

Also, always been let past when possible or reasonable.

ducatilover

4th June 2013, 07:02

You're all a bunch of inconsiderate twats, really.

SPman

4th June 2013, 10:21

On the blogs this morning.......

Revenue usurps safety Every time we have a holiday weekend the police tell us that "speed kills" and they start their 4Km rigid enforcement of speed limits.
Despite the "speed blitzes" and "drink driving blitzes", people continue (http://aardvark.co.nz/#) to die with monotonous regularity on our roads whenever we have a long weekend or other holiday break.
Now regular readers will recall that quite some time ago, I wrote a column remarking at the results of a police blitz on "slow drivers".
I forget the exact date but it was a long-weekend (Labour day or maybe Easter) and despite previous years' holiday road tolls bing the usual high figure -- the one time they announced a focus on pinging inconsiderate slow drivers, the result was miraculous.
Instead of the usual long list of fatalities, the weekend was almost without tragedy.
Since then we've not seen another attempt to focus on slow drivers and the holiday weekend tolls have been similarly high -- until this weekend just past.
Once again, in a long-overdue move, police announced that they'd be targeting slow drivers (http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/8741733/Police-target-slow-drivers) and once again -- the results were stunning.
This year's Queens Birthday weekend road toll was a big fat ZERO.
It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to join the dots here does it?
Inconsiderate slow drivers cause road accidents and they must always be a priority focus for enforcement activities!
When regular, sane, cautious people are forced to travel (http://aardvark.co.nz/#) in convoy behind some idiot in a camper-van who consistently crawls along at 65-70Km/H on the open road and obstructs that traffic from passing by accelerating to 100Km/H at every passing opportunity -- those people sometimes snap. Frustration causes them to take unreasonable risks and that pushes the chances of a fatal road accident through the roof.
So now that the link (http://aardvark.co.nz/#) between targeting these inconsiderate slow drivers and a low road toll has most certainly been established, do you think that the police focus will change from those doing 110Km/H on the open highway to those doing 70Km/H?
Of course it won't.
Just look at the logistics...
A single van or car with a speed camera can ping hundreds of "speedsters" every hour and in the process, create some very serious revenues.
By comparison, locating, pulling over and ticketing an inconsiderate slow driver requires a whole lot more work (http://aardvark.co.nz/#) -- for a whole lot less revenue.
In an era where "quotas" are the currency of faux road safety, police can't afford the luxury of actually making our roads safer. They have an obligation to their political masters to keep the coin flooding in -- hence the focus on "easy" enforcement alternatives such as speed cameras/lasers and "checkpoints" where they can ping you for expired rego, failure to carry your license, etc, etc.
Sadly I note that today, no credit is being given to the effect that the blitz on slow drivers might have had on this record-low toll. Instead, they're claiming that it was their strict enforcement of speed limits and focus on drink-driving that saved the day.
Sigh!

scumdog

4th June 2013, 10:36

On the blogs this morning.......

What a lot of self-opinionated clap-trap and rhetoric:rolleyes:

Mushu

4th June 2013, 11:13

What a lot of self-opinionated clap-trap and rhetoric:rolleyes:

What would you, as a police officer, claim was the cause of last weekends zero road toll.

How is it any different than claiming that a 4kmh speed restriction makes any difference.

The only thing that makes a difference is people tend to stay home rather than make unnecessary trips on these types of weekends because the chances of running into the police is far higher than usual. My brother in law wanted to ride to Timaru on Sunday because he'd never been, I decided against it because of the amount of cops and I don't trust my speedo to 4% accuracy. But we will probably go in the next couple of weeks and if one of us dies in an accident the fact that it didn't happen last weekend is only going to be a comfort to the police.

All the factors play a minor role in the road toll. 4kmh restriction keeps people at home, more cops keep some drunks off the road, policing slow drivers keeps road rage at a minimum but the biggest contributer to last weekends road toll was blind luck, to claim it was anything else is bullshit.

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scumdog

4th June 2013, 11:34

What would you, as a police officer, claim was the cause of last weekends zero road toll.

How is it any different than claiming that a 4kmh speed restriction makes any difference.

The only thing that makes a difference is people tend to stay home rather than make unnecessary trips on these types of weekends because the chances of running into the police is far higher than usual. My brother in law wanted to ride to Timaru on Sunday because he'd never been, I decided against it because of the amount of cops and I don't trust my speedo to 4% accuracy. But we will probably go in the next couple of weeks and if one of us dies in an accident the fact that it didn't happen last weekend is only going to be a comfort to the police.

All the factors play a minor role in the road toll. 4kmh restriction keeps people at home, more cops keep some drunks off the road, policing slow drivers keeps road rage at a minimum but the biggest contributer to last weekends road toll was blind luck, to claim it was anything else is bullshit.

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First off :The above is almost the same value clap-trap. (assuming it's not a troll - which I hope it is...)

Anyhoo, in case it is NOT a troll..

So why should so many people stay at home 'because the chances of running into the police is far higher than usual'. - were these people all pissed, speeding, disqualified or driving unreg'd cars with no WOF and on bald tyres or something???

And I have yet to see claims the '4kmh' tolerance itself made any definable difference and I have yet to hear of ANYBODY staying at home because of it.:rolleyes:

Oh and what a pathetic excuse for not going to Timaru...sheesh.:facepalm:

Yes, as you suggest, I guess luck probably DID have a fair bit to do with the zero toll - as did the 4kmh thing, more cops out there safer cars, etc etc.

Drew

4th June 2013, 11:52

I put most of the nil road toll for the weekend, down to the number of cops out there.

Tauranga to Wellington we lost count of how many five Oh we saw yesterday. Well over twenty cars. Anyone who wanted to do something silly would have changed their mind pretty fuckin quick methinks.

I think it's a cunt of a way to keep drivers safe though, it's gotta suck to be a filthy snake at the best of times. Never getting a long weekend off as well would get less than tolerable mighty fuckin fast.

BoristheBiter

4th June 2013, 12:42

Sorry, my fault for assuming people would know the difference between the content of a post and a sig.

Sorry, our fault for think a sig goes under the black sig line

This is quite possibly the stupidest idea I've read on Kb to date.

So after misreading my post and asking if I wanted to ban trucks you want to effectively ban trucks. Do you feel like freight should be more expensive? Imagine what that would do to the price of... well, everything.

Not to mention the fact that every truck in the country would be on the road outside those hours to try and make up for lost time, and more drivers missing their rest breaks, it would be anarchy out there every night.

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And so it should be. trucks should not be on the roads as the roads are not built for them. Most roads in the citys are not built for them. Most drive ways are not built for them. The trucks are getting bigger and slower and should be forced to fuck off and stop holding the rest of us up.

caspernz

4th June 2013, 12:54

Mushu

4th June 2013, 12:56

First off :The above is almost the same value clap-trap. (assuming it's not a troll - which I hope it is...)

Anyhoo, in case it is NOT a troll..

So why should so many people stay at home 'because the chances of running into the police is far higher than usual'. - were these people all pissed, speeding, disqualified or driving unreg'd cars with no WOF and on bald tyres or something???

And I have yet to see claims the '4kmh' tolerance itself made any definable difference and I have yet to hear of ANYBODY staying at home because of it.:rolleyes:

Oh and what a pathetic excuse for not going to Timaru...sheesh.:facepalm:

Yes, as you suggest, I guess luck probably DID have a fair bit to do with the zero toll - as did the 4kmh thing, more cops out there safer cars, etc etc.

Because the police tend to pick on me, and often make up some reason to give me a bullshit lecture, so I like to avoid them.

You just heard of me staying home because of it... And my uncle who suggested we go somewhere else instead, and my cousin who declined and that was just when that particular trip was suggested.

Plenty of people drive when they aren't sure whether they over the limit, tons of people speed, drive disqualified our drive unregistered or unroadworthy cars (I don't drink but I do speed occasionally and I also own a bike I don't have a license to ride and there's plenty of others out there)

And I didn't want to go to Timaru, I've been there before, it's a shit hole.

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Mushu

4th June 2013, 13:16

And so it should be. trucks should not be on the roads as the roads are not built for them. Most roads in the citys are not built for them. Most drive ways are not built for them. The trucks are getting bigger and slower and should be forced to fuck off and stop holding the rest of us up.

where did you hear that roads aren't designed for trucks? that's just bullshit, of course they're designed to accommodate trucks and trucks aren't getting bigger or slower there are laws to regulate the length and width of trucks and if anything they're getting faster (better technology allowing for better engines, brakes, tires etc..)

If you keep trucks off the road, the whole country would fall apart you wouldn't even be able to get your bread and milk or gas for your car, everything relies on trucks you're a fool if you think we can do without them.

Truck drivers are generally very curtious on the road, they let you past when they can, let people in in traffic and aren't represented highly in crash stats if you factor crashes vs kms driven. The problem drivers are those that don't have the confidence to do what needs to be done quickly and efficiently and those that seem to think every one should have to wait for them like the average caravan/ motorhome driver.

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Scuba_Steve

4th June 2013, 13:22

where did you hear that roads aren't designed for trucks? that's just bullshit, of course they're designed to accommodate trucks and trucks aren't getting bigger or slower there are laws to regulate the length and width of trucks and if anything they're getting faster (better technology allowing for better engines, brakes, tires etc..)

If you keep trucks off the road, the whole country would fall apart you wouldn't even be able to get your bread and milk or gas for your car, everything relies on trucks you're a fool if you think we can do without them.

Truck drivers are generally very curtious on the road, they let you past when they can, let people in in traffic and aren't represented highly in crash stats if you factor crashes vs kms driven.

^ That; & 9/10 times nowadays I don't seen trucks holding people up anymore its a car in-front of the truck holding it & the rest of the line up. Somethings definitely wrong with drivers when it's a car holding up a legally restricted truck

oneofsix

4th June 2013, 13:28

^ That; & 9/10 times nowadays I don't seen trucks holding people up anymore its a car in-front of the truck holding it & the rest of the line up. Somethings definitely wrong with drivers when it's a car holding up a legally restricted truck

now there's an idea, holding up a truck should be an instant fine. Fit with the current govt. policy of "roads of National significances" which a really to help the trucking companies, fine the car driver that is holding the truck up would do as much if not more to assist the trucking companies and their customers than the building of the new roads.

BoristheBiter

4th June 2013, 13:31

Hahaha, rolleyes:

Truck drivers are generally very curtious on the road, they let you past when they can, let people in in traffic and aren't represented highly in crash stats if you factor crashes vs kms driven. The problem drivers are those that don't have the confidence to do what needs to be done quickly and efficiently and those that seem to think every one should have to wait for them like the average caravan/ motorhome driver.

Sorry haven't had a troll in weeks and you guys bite quicker than I do.

As you Mushu are from CHCH I will give you the benefit of the doubt when it comes to how truck drive behave down there but up here they are just as bad as the car drivers.

oneofsix

4th June 2013, 13:44

Got to leave stats
http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/8753876/Zero-reasons-to-feel-safer-on-our-roads

The research also found that higher fuel prices and less motorcycle registrations played a part in the fall in road deaths

There may have been a drop on bike rego's but doesn't follow there was the same drop in the number of bikes on the road.

Still there is some good news but can it be believed?

However, taking these factors into account, there was still 50 less deaths on the road in 2011 than the trends accounted for, indicating there has been a real change in the way people drive. Or to put it another way, people seem to be driving safe