Turkey - TPTB want a mall in the park [Archive]

avgas

3rd June 2013, 20:01

bahahhaa...
kiwis won't fucking riot. that's why we still have a (national) government.
Actually we have them because people in NZ voted for them (about 35% of the country).

This is due to the simple fact that a majority of people whom live in NZ are stupid. This stupid majority voted for lots of different parties.
We have a government by proxy,determined by a random number generator, which is formed by 3,000,000 people placing a vote. A majority of these people are infact stupid, but thankfully their decisions are also determined as random. Before you ask whom the smart ones are and what they vote for - they are simply the people whom vote for what they believe in. However this means they are hoping that these promises are kept - therefore while they may be smart, they are relying on hope to get whatever they are thinking across the line.

Because a majority of people in NZ are infact stupid (polite term is "below average") , and because the remainder rely on "hope".........it is very unlikely that we would ever have the scale of revolt that overseas nations have. People with either not understand the problem, or think it was their fault.
Be thankful that NZ politicians come from the New Zealand population - which as mentioned earlier, has a stupid majority.

scumdog

3rd June 2013, 20:39

Because a majority of people in NZ are infact stupid (polite term is "below average") ,

How can a 'majority' be 'below average'??:blink:

Kickaha

3rd June 2013, 21:04

How can a 'majority' be 'below average'??:blink:

Easy, because he says so with no facts at all to back it up

avgas

3rd June 2013, 21:40

How can a 'majority' be 'below average'??:blink:
You are confusing median with average (mean).
I could draw you a diagram showing the majority being below average. e.g. 90% of people could be below average and 10% can be above average but would be interesting to see stats like that. I am not implying that at all.
Think of a graph showing a big, fat boob to the left of the average and a very sharp boob to the far right of the graph. Far away from the average marker.
Would you make love to that woman? No, but in saying that making love to a woman whom has a single boob spread around the average doesn't sound that appealing either.

I was actually referring to international average (not national average). See we are slipping. Not as badly as US and Australia.........but still it's a trend

IQ average in NZ is 100 according to this http://iqtest-australia.com/Test.IQ.Test.your.Intelligence.Quotient-statistic.htm
Not that IQ is a great test of intelligence, there are people in UK who train to ace IQ tests but then attempt to burn water.

82% of us made it to form 5 which is good until then........but not so good when you think that form 6/7 is free (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_New_Zealand) which basically means that those that didn't make to U.E. did so for non-financial reason (unlike India etc)

College or University figures are even more gruesome. We have people who attend university and do not achieve a bachelors, hell we have a drop-out rate that is unheard of in other countries.

If you look at the path of where we are going - we won't just have a separation of rich/poor we will have an intelligence gap that will make that look like a walk through a future turkish mall.

avgas

3rd June 2013, 21:42

Easy, because he says so with no facts at all to back it up
Have you seen outside? This isn't global warming. You can see stupid people doing dumb things all the time.

Ocean1

3rd June 2013, 21:51

We have people who attend university and do not achieve a bachelors, hell we have a drop-out rate that is unheard of in other countries.

Asian tanker crew used to proudly hand out business cards that went: Ramesh Magen, BSc, (failed), MBS, (failed) etc etc.

The point was their families were wealthy enough to send them to 'varsities they had absolutely no preparation for.

Oh, the NZ dropout thing: lack of application/consequences, not intelligence.

avgas

3rd June 2013, 22:14

Oh, the NZ dropout thing: lack of application/consequences, not intelligence.
Cause - Effect

BMWST?

3rd June 2013, 22:29

Cause - Effect

i conclude that you are part of the majority

Berries

3rd June 2013, 22:53

I do like kebabs.

SPman

4th June 2013, 00:27

A good quick summation

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/06/talking-turkey/

Swoop

4th June 2013, 08:09

No, I haven't been there. I'm not a raghead so I have no business going to their countries.

You have missed a lot then. Lovely place (reminds me of the far north of NZ) and great people.

nosebleed

4th June 2013, 08:56

...the people don't (http://defnesumanblogs.com/2013/06/01/what-is-happenning-in-istanbul/)... democracy at its very very best.

Closer to home, there is a rumour that the new earthworks at Westgate (at the motorway interchange) are so that the existing Westgate Mall can "shift" over the road to this new area.

Not only does this seem like a complete waste of resources, but I sound like my dad when I say "what the fuck happened to NZ where shopping malls are our new past-time"

Oscar

4th June 2013, 09:28

...the people don't (http://defnesumanblogs.com/2013/06/01/what-is-happenning-in-istanbul/)... democracy at its very very best.

This is nothing whatsoever to do with democracy, unless you can prove that a majority of Turkish voters are in that park.
Riots by disaffected groups happen in all kinds of political models, so as usual, you're indulging in ignorant childish hyperbole.

Banditbandit

4th June 2013, 10:06

This is nothing whatsoever to do with democracy, unless you can prove that a majority of Turkish voters are in that park.
Riots by disaffected groups happen in all kinds of political models, so as usual, you're indulging in ignorant childish hyperbole.

It has everything to do with democracy - only democracies allow such freedom of expression as demonstrations ... (the riot occured when heavy handed police moved in on a peaceful demonstration - you only saw the violent end on your screen ...)

In a totalitarian contry as soon as 10 people got together they would be arrested ..

avgas

4th June 2013, 10:11

i conclude that you are part of the majority
Most people are dumbass

Oscar

4th June 2013, 10:48

It has everything to do with democracy - only democracies allow such freedom of expression as demonstrations ... (the riot occured when heavy handed police moved in on a peaceful demonstration - you only saw the violent end on your screen ...)

In a totalitarian contry as soon as 10 people got together they would be arrested ..

I agree that in the main, only democracies allow protest of that nature, however in this case you have people demonstrating against a democratically elected govt. on some fairly nebulous issues. By definition rioting in the streets is not democratic behavour, and if this protest had been a bunch of Islamic Fundamentalists calling for Sharia Law, we would be condeming it.

Democracy, yes - at it's finest, maybe not...

...and yes, I am being a contrarian.

Banditbandit

4th June 2013, 11:25

I agree that in the main, only democracies allow protest of that nature, however in this case you have people demonstrating against a democratically elected govt. on some fairly nebulous issues.

Hmm .. clearly not nebulous to them .. and think of the things that people in Godzone have demonstrated against ... some pretty nebulous things there ... a road side protest against prostitution in their suburb ??? Placard wavers demanding a return of Georgie Pie ???

By definition rioting in the streets is not democratic behavour,

Oh ??? I disagreee .. maybe it is illegal and possibly immoral ... but "not democratic??? By what definition

and if this protest had been a bunch of Islamic Fundamentalists calling for Sharia Law, we would be condeming it.

Maybe .. maybe not .. it is their democratic right to protest - even if they are Islamic fundamentalists ...

Democracy, yes - at it's finest, maybe not...

Maybe .. maybe not .. the police heavy-handed action turned a protest into a riot ...

...and yes, I am being a contrarian.

http://redcfa.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Katie-Holmes-Contrarian-Babs-Bibb-Mini-Dress.jpg

Oscar

4th June 2013, 11:47

Hmm .. clearly not nebulous to them .. and think of the things that people in Godzone have demonstrated against ... some pretty nebulous things there ... a road side protest against prostitution in their suburb ??? Placard wavers demanding a return of Georgie Pie ???

Oh ??? I disagreee .. maybe it is illegal and possibly immoral ... but "not democratic??? By what definition

Maybe .. maybe not .. it is their democratic right to protest - even if they are Islamic fundamentalists ...

Maybe .. maybe not .. the police heavy-handed action turned a protest into a riot ...

It is their democratic right to protest.
It is not their right to riot, and it certainly isn't clear that they represent a majority.

As I said, I was taking issue with the assumption that the highest form of Democracy invovles a riot, and that many here who are applauding this would be horrified if the subject was Islamic Fundamentalism. Part of the cost of living in a democracy is that sometimes your guy doesn't win, and that you may be at odds with the majority.

BTW - Izzat where you buy your frocks...?

blue rider

4th June 2013, 12:14

http://defnesumanblogs.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/tear-gas-reuters.jpg

http://defnesumanblogs.com/2013/06/01/what-is-happenning-in-istanbul/

Last week of May 2013 a group of people most of whom did not belong to any specific organization or ideology got together in Istanbul’s Gezi Park. Among them there were many of my friends and yoga students. Their reason was simple: To prevent and protest the upcoming demolishing of the park for the sake of building yet another shopping mall at very center of the city. There are numerous shopping malls in Istanbul, at least one in every neighborhood! The tearing down of the trees was supposed to begin early Thursday morning. People went to the park with their blankets, books and children. They put their tents down and spent the night under the trees. Early in the morning when the bulldozers started to pull the hundred-year-old trees out of the ground, they stood up against them to stop the operation.

Istanbul: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul

I believe that peeps are just sick and tired of being screwed over and over again by those in power. It does not matter if they are left, right, center on the spectrums of politics. Peeps just had enough of their elected 'representatives" and their decisions.
A government might have been elected by 51% of the population, but it has to 'rule' over a full 100 %. I think that this wee little point gets often overlooked in politics, be it in Turkey or elsewhere.

mashman

4th June 2013, 12:18

I agree that in the main, only democracies allow protest of that nature, however in this case you have people demonstrating against a democratically elected govt. on some fairly nebulous issues. By definition rioting in the streets is not democratic behavour, and if this protest had been a bunch of Islamic Fundamentalists calling for Sharia Law, we would be condeming it.

Democracy, yes - at it's finest, maybe not...

So once you've voted, that's it, you shouldn't protest anything your govt does? and you shouldn't be allowed to defend yourself if the govt sends out the goon squad to underline the point? Your consistent 2 + 2 = 7 in regards to people's motives that differ from yours is highly amusing.

Now you're sure this time. You don't want to change your mind again?

mashman

4th June 2013, 12:24

Closer to home, there is a rumour that the new earthworks at Westgate (at the motorway interchange) are so that the existing Westgate Mall can "shift" over the road to this new area.

Not only does this seem like a complete waste of resources, but I sound like my dad when I say "what the fuck happened to NZ where shopping malls are our new past-time"

Ahhhhh progress. Upgrading because you can. NZers are good little citizens and are consistently praised for their high high quality society, well, because it's better than some other places :blink:

Oscar

4th June 2013, 12:34

So once you've voted, that's it, you shouldn't protest anything your govt does? and you shouldn't be allowed to defend yourself if the govt sends out the goon squad to underline the point? Your consistent 2 + 2 = 7 in regards to people's motives that differ from yours is highly amusing.

Now you're sure this time. You don't want to change your mind again?

You have a real reading comprehension problem, don't you?

My comments were to do with your stupid comment about "Democracy at its finest", based (as usual) with a limited understanding of only one side of the story. I said: "By definition rioting in the streets is not democratic behavour..", so why do you blather about the right to protest?

Are you not able to distinguish between rioting and demonstration?

Your comment about my inferring people's motives are quite funny, are there no mirrors in your house?

Oscar

4th June 2013, 12:36

Ahhhhh progress. Upgrading because you can. NZers are good little citizens and are consistently praised for their high high quality society, well, because it's better than some other places :blink:

You wouldn't be jumping to conclusions about the motives of those invovled in this issue, would you?
You know little or nothing about this issue, don't you?

2+2=???

unstuck

4th June 2013, 12:36

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Banditbandit

4th June 2013, 12:39

It is their democratic right to protest.

Good. We agree on that ..

It is not their right to riot, and it certainly isn't clear that they represent a majority.

Only you seem to require that it is a majority .. (see point one)

As I said, I was taking issue with the assumption that the highest form of Democracy invovles a riot,

It was a peaceful protest (a democratic right as you point out) .. then the police turned up with their heavy handed tactics ... who is at fault there? (See blue rider's post - who takes chidren and tents to a riot? )

and that many here who are applauding this would be horrified if the subject was Islamic Fundamentalism.

That may weell be true .. but so what? We are applauding their democratic opposition to a park being destroyed to build a mal - we are not applauding the riot .. which may wel have been provoked by the police ..

Part of the cost of living in a democracy is that sometimes your guy doesn't win, and that you may be at odds with the majority.

And sometime s protest action, and other forms of political action, can change a Government's mind ... has happened in the past ..

BTW - Izzat where you buy your frocks...?

Amusing .. but you raised Contrarian .. I was visually making the same point to you ... that Contrarian is a woman's fashion label ... Not had enough coffee today yet to wake up ???

Oscar

4th June 2013, 12:52

Good. We agree on that ..

Only you seem to require that it is a majority .. (see point one)

It was a peaceful protest (a democratic right as you point out) .. then the police turned up with their heavy handed tactics ... who is at fault there? (See blue rider's post - who takes chidren and tents to a riot? )

That may weell be true .. but so what? We are applauding their democratic opposition to a park being destroyed to build a mal - we are not applauding the riot .. which may wel have been provoked by the police ..

And sometime s protest action, and other forms of political action, can change a Government's mind ... has happened in the past ..

Amusing .. but you raised Contrarian .. I was visually making the same point to you ... that Contrarian is a woman's fashion label ... Not had enough coffee today yet to wake up ???

No, I'm bored now.
I agree with everything you're saying (and have not posted anything to contradict it).

I was only making the point that hyperbole rules around here.
Mushman posted a link to a single blog and then made the rather stupid comment about "democracy at its finest".
Link to obscure story + stupid comment is pretty much his MO, and this forum is clogged with it...(although it is certainly his democratic right to talk shit if he desires).

mashman

4th June 2013, 13:22

You have a real reading comprehension problem, don't you?

My comments were to do with your stupid comment about "Democracy at its finest", based (as usual) with a limited understanding of only one side of the story. I said: "By definition rioting in the streets is not democratic behavour..", so why do you blather about the right to protest?

Are you not able to distinguish between rioting and demonstration?

Your comment about my inferring people's motives are quite funny, are there no mirrors in your house?

In this case no. You leaped to a conclusion without the courtesy of using any assumptions to back it up... as per usual.

mashman

4th June 2013, 13:22

You wouldn't be jumping to conclusions about the motives of those invovled in this issue, would you?
You know little or nothing about this issue, don't you?

2+2=???

bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa, you are a dickhead.

Oscar

4th June 2013, 13:42

bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa, you are a dickhead.

A cutting riposte.
Or is it just your way (as usual) of saying “I got nothing”.

Oscar

4th June 2013, 13:44

In this case no. You leaped to a conclusion without the courtesy of using any assumptions to back it up... as per usual.

This makes as much sense as most of your stuff - none at all.
I'm not sure why you expect me to make assumptions so as to make your stuff make sense...

You made a stupid comment, and I called you on it.

Swoop

4th June 2013, 13:51

I believe that peeps are just sick and tired of being screwed over and over again by those in power.
Turkey has had this government for the last 11 years and are quite sick of the bullshit. Within a year of office they tried to instigate a law against adultery. The law the new "leaders" were copying was the koran's "stone the woman" punishment...
It didn't happen.

The majority of the military leadership (always a force to be reconed with over there) is currently locked up in jails on quite creative charges.

A lot of "intelligensia" are in the jails as well.

The people are unhappy for a whole raft of reasons.

mashman

4th June 2013, 13:51

This makes as much sense as most of your stuff - none at all.
I'm not sure why you expect me to make assumptions so as to make your stuff make sense...

You made a stupid comment, and I called you on it.

I posted 9 words and you spat the dummy as per usual. You leaped to the following conclusions:

"This is nothing whatsoever to do with democracy"
"Riots by disaffected groups happen in all kinds of political models, so as usual, you're indulging in ignorant childish hyperbole."

Both of which were, and still are, completely wrong. You called me on a figment of your imagination, but then again, you always do.

Was there any reason that you chose to ignore the topic during your fail? Actually, that was rhetorical, it's because you're a dickhead.

Oscar

4th June 2013, 14:12

I posted 9 words and you spat the dummy as per usual. You leaped to the following conclusions:

"This is nothing whatsoever to do with democracy"
"Riots by disaffected groups happen in all kinds of political models, so as usual, you're indulging in ignorant childish hyperbole."

Both of which were, and still are, completely wrong. You called me on a figment of your imagination, but then again, you always do.

Was there any reason that you chose to ignore the topic during your fail? Actually, that was rhetorical, it's because you're a dickhead.

A figment? So you didn't post it?
I posted my opinion of your post (gasp - my democratic right), which was, as usual, very short on substance.

Why is a comment like "Riots by disaffected groups happen in all kinds of political models..." not true? Would you like examples, or will you shoot off on another tangent?

As for the topic, you are the one that related the issue to demcracy in your first post, so I'm not ignoring it.

mashman

4th June 2013, 14:31

A figment? So you didn't post it?
I posted my opinion of your post (gasp - my democratic right), which was, as usual, very short on substance.

Why is a comment like "Riots by disaffected groups happen in all kinds of political models..." not true? Would you like examples, or will you shoot off on another tangent?

As for the topic, you are the one that related the issue to demcracy in your first post, so I'm not ignoring it.

I didn't post what you concluded, no.
You posted a conclusion based on 9 words.

Try the bit after the bit you quoted "so as usual, you're indulging in ignorant childish hyperbole". A simple sorry would do.

True, you weren't ignoring it, but you decided that my bringing democracy into it had no substance.

Oscar

4th June 2013, 15:25

True, you weren't ignoring it, but you decided that my bringing democracy into it had no substance.

There you go, you got it.
Very good - it wasn't that hard,was it?

BTW - Posting something consisting of nine words and then complaining that someone thinks you're a bit shallow, stupid, or thick just makes you look even sillier.

blue rider

4th June 2013, 15:34

i see Islamic Fundamentalism metntioned...

maybe a bit of History about Turkey

the Ottoman Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

Turkey as we now it today was created by this Gentlemen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ataturk

now to the current Prime Minister of Turkey,
Recep Tayyip Erdogan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erdogan

Mr. Erdogan and religion

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/913988/Recep-Tayyip-Erdogan

In high school Erdoğan became known as a fiery orator in the cause of political Islam. He later played on a professional football (soccer) team and attended Marmara University. During this time he met Necmettin Erbakan, a veteran Islamist politician, and Erdoğan became active in parties led by Erbakan, despite a ban in Turkey on religiously based political parties. In 1994 Erdoğan was elected mayor of Istanbul on the ticket of the Welfare Party. The election of the first-ever Islamist to the mayoralty shook the secularist establishment, but Erdoğan proved to be a competent and canny manager. He yielded to protests against the building of a mosque in the city’s central square but banned the sale of alcoholic beverages in city-owned cafés. In 1998 he was convicted for inciting religious hatred after reciting a poem that compared mosques to barracks, minarets to bayonets, and the faithful to an army. Sentenced to 10 months in prison, Erdoğan resigned as mayor.

Turkey is a largely secular nation, young and rather vibrant. It is as much Europe as it is the Middle East. And while they have their own issues...with the Kurds, or the slaughter of the Armenian Population, to raise the scary boohman of fundamentalist Islam, it is premature. Erdogan has not yet achieved his goal of the clerics replacing his ministers.

mashman

4th June 2013, 16:03

There you go, you got it.
Very good - it wasn't that hard,was it?

BTW - Posting something consisting of nine words and then complaining that someone thinks you're a bit shallow, stupid, or thick just makes you look even sillier.

And you were wrong. You contradicted yourself in your first 2 posts and then backtracked from there on in, finally resulting in nothing of any consequence. Dickhead.

Oscar

4th June 2013, 16:17

And you were wrong. You contradicted yourself in your first 2 posts and then backtracked from there on in, finally resulting in nothing of any consequence. Dickhead.

More vibrant wit.

I stand by my comments - your comment "democracy at its very very best" is ill founded.
You are shallow, silly and prone to hyperbole.

Big Dave

4th June 2013, 16:27

Prone to only occasional connection with reality!

To me Mashy, what makes your utopias improbable is simply natural selection. That's what you have to beat.

mashman

4th June 2013, 17:37

More vibrant wit.

I stand by my comments - your comment "democracy at its very very best" is ill founded.
You are shallow, silly and prone to hyperbole.

Wit? Just fact dear boy.

Ill founded in what way?
Aha, you know me so well.

Prone to only occasional connection with reality!

To me Mashy, what makes your utopias improbable is simply natural selection. That's what you have to beat.

Occasional... you almost hurt my feeling.

It ain't utopia. Improbable? the mini survey has it down to about 50-50. For want of a better expression, individuals have to beat themselves off. I think the OP highlights this given that all races/religions/ideology's, reportedly stood side by side and told TPTB to fuck off. A similar thing happened in Chch for a while until folk had to get on with jobs/life etc... and looking after themselves. It's all there, it's just the environment that isn't.

Big Dave

4th June 2013, 18:21

OK. Nirvanas.

mashman

4th June 2013, 18:34

OK. Nirvanas.

:rofl:... nope. I want Star Trek.

Road kill

5th June 2013, 01:37

mashman

6th June 2013, 11:32

A quick lesson in human nature <_<

"Days of anti-government protest in Turkey have achieved one feat that has eluded the authorities for years: uniting the fiercely rival and sometimes violent supporters of Istanbul's "Big Three" football clubs.

Besiktas, Galatasaray and Fenerbahce fans have come together in new-found solidarity during five days of demonstrations against Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan's government." (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/pitchside-europe/turkey-protests-unite-fans-bitter-istanbul-rivals-210336439.html)...

Like I said, change the circumstances and look at what is possible.

Swoop

6th June 2013, 11:40

oneofsix

6th June 2013, 11:44

The pleasing thing to note is that substantial amounts of protestors are 18-35 yr olds. They have grown up under this current regime and are now organising these protests via social-media.

For the past few years the population have had to whisper dissent, when out in public places. This has obviously just changed...

Very pleasing to see.

Pleasing, yes, but surprising? There tends to be an assumption that those that grow-up under a system accept it when if you look back it is actually the ones that brought in the system or were beaten down by it that have adapted to accepting it and the next generation that changes it. This is why poor education is so important to TPTB, got to keep the next generation ignorant, preferably by pretending to "fix" the education system, more like fixing a race than repairing or improving.

mashman

6th June 2013, 12:09

blue rider

6th June 2013, 12:26

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2x56qCv5AgA

i quite liked these rioting stewardesses....lol

Swoop

6th June 2013, 12:28

Absolutely. Although you can only hope that your "tweets" can't be used against you in a court of law... as they have in a couple of cases in the US.

It looks like that is on the cards for the future.
Meantime, facebook is getting out some interesting footage. A group of riot police beating the crap out of a lone woman on the streets of Izmir...
Brave riot police.:oi-grr:

mashman

6th June 2013, 13:32

It looks like that is on the cards for the future.
Meantime, facebook is getting out some interesting footage. A group of riot police beating the crap out of a lone woman on the streets of Izmir...
Brave riot police.:oi-grr:

I hope not... like hope has anything to do with it.
Fark :facepalm:. I've stopped looking at the pictures as they sadden me no end, but the little rays of light, as in the footy fans case, brings a smile.

scumdog

6th June 2013, 15:53

This is why poor education is so important to TPTB, got to keep the next generation ignorant, preferably by pretending to "fix" the education system, more like fixing a race than repairing or improving.

So where do TPTB get THEIR education before they are PTB...?

At 'special' schools??? :wacko:

Swoop

7th June 2013, 09:14

So where do TPTB get THEIR education before they are PTB...?
Looking at the labour party, normally 20years of being a university student and having no experience in the "real" world.

oneofsix

7th June 2013, 09:26

So where do TPTB get THEIR education before they are PTB...?

At 'special' schools???

Generally yes. We tend to call them "private schools" and they are heavily subsidised "charities" by the tax payer who's kids are getting the dumbed down education at public schools. And the kids are specially groomed to take over their roles as the real princes and princess of the world, (not the phoney royals that have the "official" titles).

In truth TPTB aren't locals, research the likes of the Bilderberg group.

Now :shutup: and behave surf and bow to your feudal masters. :nya:

blue rider

7th June 2013, 09:37

Looking at the labour party, normally 20years of being a university student and having no experience in the "real" world.

and the nationals all get theirs where?

.....two sides of a coin bashing is getting really just dumb, considering that peeps everywhere on this planet are given the stick by government of all shades and creed.

but hey......whohohohohohoho, I am not a labour supporter, or a green supporter, or a national supporter, or an act supporter......whohohoho I support nothing...and thats what we get. Nothing, and a couple in the face if we don't behave.

scumdog

7th June 2013, 09:38

Now :shutup: and behave surf and bow to your feudal masters. :nya:

Surf?
There's a 4.1 degree frost down here donchaknow...:pinch:

Or didja mean serf...;)

mashman

7th June 2013, 12:29

Generally yes. We tend to call them "private schools" and they are heavily subsidised "charities" by the tax payer who's kids are getting the dumbed down education at public schools. And the kids are specially groomed to take over their roles as the real princes and princess of the world, (not the phoney royals that have the "official" titles).

In truth TPTB aren't locals, research the likes of the Bilderberg group.

Now :shutup: and behave surf and bow to your feudal masters. :nya:

heh... the reason they're dumbing us down is because the genetic makeup of the interbred from the boys club are now 2 steps away from riding the special bus.

mashman

8th June 2013, 07:56

Dozens arrested in Turkey over protest tweets, accused of 'inciting hatred' (http://rt.com/news/turkey-arrests-twitter-activists-258/)... I guess it was bound to happen :facepalm:. I'd love to see the comments/pictures that they've been arrested over, but they haven't been made available... and we all know that internet context can sometimes get lost, completely open to how the translator reads the words, well, as long as you've used the internet they'll know that. I wonder if paranoid nutbars that lead a country's understand that. Probably can't afford to take the chance. The apology from the Deputy PM is touching <_<

mashman

12th June 2013, 08:32

Oscar

12th June 2013, 09:53

"Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan has warned that he will not show "any more tolerance" for protests"
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22859959).

"Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan says protesters' actions have infringed on other people's freedom". How many other people's freedom? Or just the guys who want to build on the park? It's a peaceful protest, not a riot, so what's the problem?

Democracy is dead.

So based on very little information (as usual) you draw a very dramatic (and silly) conclusion.

Do you know the slightest thing about democracy in Turkey?
For example, do you know that they had a referundum recently reducing the parlimentary term?
Do you have any idea what Erdogan's support is?
How do you know that the protestors don't represent a minority?

mashman

12th June 2013, 13:15

So based on very little information (as usual) you draw a very dramatic (and silly) conclusion.

Do you know the slightest thing about democracy in Turkey?
For example, do you know that they had a referundum recently reducing the parlimentary term?
Do you have any idea what Erdogan's support is?
How do you know that the protestors don't represent a minority?

That's the thing, the people who are concerned haven't been consulted.

gwigs

12th June 2013, 13:23

That's the thing, the people who are concerned haven't been consulted.
Go the people.. Fuck the TPTB...Cunts in control as usual....I,d like to know what they gain eh.!
Must feel good in your heart to fuck the stupid people over...:nya:

Oscar

12th June 2013, 13:37

That's the thing, the people who are concerned haven't been consulted.

Interesting.
Why don't you give us some background?
Planning applications and that sort of thing...

Banditbandit

12th June 2013, 14:39

Interesting.
Why don't you give us some background?
Planning applications and that sort of thing...

Start here ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/10095659/Five-things-you-should-know-about-Turkey-and-the-Istanbul-protests.html

Then go here .. a Turkish source ...

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-317055-chief-ombudsman-says-people-may-appeal-about-gezi-park-third-bridge.html

Or here ...

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-314134-plans-voiced-by-pm-for-mall-at-new-taksim-barracks-draw-criticisms.html

(Planning??? What planning - even the planners don't like it ...)

And you are determined to uphold the "democractic" image of Turkey ?? This is not democracy as we know it ..

Oscar

12th June 2013, 15:13

Start here ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/10095659/Five-things-you-should-know-about-Turkey-and-the-Istanbul-protests.html

Then go here .. a Turkish source ...

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-317055-chief-ombudsman-says-people-may-appeal-about-gezi-park-third-bridge.html

Or here ...

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-314134-plans-voiced-by-pm-for-mall-at-new-taksim-barracks-draw-criticisms.html

(Planning??? What planning - even the planners don't like it ...)

And you are determined to uphold the "democractic" image of Turkey ?? This is not democracy as we know it ..

You are correct - it is not democracy as we know it.
It is also not "the death of democracy", as Mushbrain so breathlessly insists.
The eventual outcome of this may actually re-inforce Turkish democracy and human rights. Either that, or tip Turkey back into the realm of the Generals or the Mullahs. This process has been going on since Attaturk took over, and the question is - which way will Turkey go, European Democracy or Middle Eastern / Muslim / Sharia failed state.

I was attempting to get Mushbrain to actually back up his hyperbole by providing facts (for a change).

blue rider

12th June 2013, 15:28

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/jun/11/istanbul-taksim-square-protesters-video video of police marching in on the "rioters" aka citizens not happy with the current government

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/11/18895842-turkish-riot-police-fire-tear-gas-in-effort-to-clear-istanbul-protesters?lite......tear gas to clear protesters....like the face decoration of the journalist.

http://audioboo.fm/boos/1444685-lawyer-describes-the-brutal-arrest-of-49-of-her-colleagues-at-an-istanbul-court laywers getting arrested in court - witness account

http://rt.com/news/turkish-police-lawyers-courthouse-534/ russian tv, video of laywers getting arrested.....

and for those that say ...rt .....russian tv, well here is the turkish version of 49 laywers getting arrested in a courhouse....

http://www.milliyet.tv/video-izle/Caglayan-Adliyesi-nde-polis-mudahalesi-nYPunUty07q4.html

and a bit of facebook because I can

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyGezi?hc_location=timeline

freedom, democracy blahblahblah

the park that is to be removed, also houses the Ataturk cultural Centre - Kemal Ataturk, as in the Father of secular Turkey.
Dear beloved Leader of all Turks, Tayep Erdogan, would like to build a Museum commemorating the Ottoman Empire, a shopping mall and a Temple......move along

nothing to see here

freedom, democracy blahblahblah

blue rider

12th June 2013, 15:30

but maybe all this has only come because of this

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/67098

don't mess with peoples alcohol consumption.....lol

mashman

12th June 2013, 15:59

Interesting.
Why don't you give us some background?
Planning applications and that sort of thing...

Why do I need background when there are thousands of people who decided to take to the streets to protest? Needless to say their protest was welcomed with open arms, and batons, and tear gas, and pepper spray, and water cannons etc... without provocation I might add. You cannot protest was the message from the govt, get fucked was the message from the people. Tis more than enough for me to claim that this was not a democratic process. It signals quite the opposite given the various protests over how people are being treated over the last few years, let alone the last few decades. I'm sure you'll realise this given all of the books you read.

Oscar

12th June 2013, 16:07

Why do I need background when there are thousands of people who decided to take to the streets to protest? Needless to say their protest was welcomed with open arms, and batons, and tear gas, and pepper spray, and water cannons etc... without provocation I might add. You cannot protest was the message from the govt, get fucked was the message from the people. Tis more than enough for me to claim that this was not a democratic process. It signals quite the opposite given the various protests over how people are being treated over the last few years, let alone the last few decades. I'm sure you'll realise this given all of the books you read.

So you supported the Ayotollahs takeover in Iran?
Coz your description fits that revolution to a tee.

Notwithstanding that, feel free to let the inter-web do your thinking for you.
You're a very shallow pool of thought, ain't you?

mashman

12th June 2013, 16:10

So you supported the Ayotollahs takeover in Iran?
Coz your description fits that revolution to a tee.

Notwithstanding that, feel free to let the inter-web do your thinking for you.
You're a very shallow pool of thought, ain't you?

I am not a historian.

Oscar

12th June 2013, 16:15

I am not a historian.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

George Santayana

It is also an event that almost certainly happened in your lifetime - you would have had to be living in a cave to be unaware of it. I suppose in your case that would explain a lot...

mashman

12th June 2013, 16:20

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

George Santayana

It is also an event that almost certainly happened in your lifetime - you would have had to be living in a cave to be unaware of it. I suppose in your case it would explain a lot...

Those who live in the past limit their future.

Silly saying given that it blatantly isn't true, but he does play a mean guitar.

I was 9 and the world was in the hands of capable people up until about 5 years ago.

blue rider

12th June 2013, 16:27

So you supported the Ayotollahs takeover in Iran?
Coz your description fits that revolution to a tee.QUOTE]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

[QUOTE]The 1953 Iranian coup d'état (known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup[3]) was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran, and its head of government Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the United Kingdom (under the name 'Operation Boot') and the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project).[4][5] The coup saw the formation of a military government under Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi, who progressed from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[6]

In 1951, Iran's oil industry was nationalized with near-unanimous support of Iran's parliament in a bill introduced by Mossadegh who led the nationalist parliamentarian faction. Iran's oil had been controlled by the British-owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), now known as BP.[7] Popular discontent with the AIOC began in the late 1940s: a large segment of Iran's public and a number of politicians saw the company as exploitative and a vestige of British imperialism.[8] Despite Mosaddegh's popular support, Britain was unwilling to negotiate its single most valuable foreign asset, and instigated a worldwide boycott of Iranian oil to pressure Iran economically.[9] Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the Abadan oil refinery, the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott[10] while using Iranian agents to undermine Mosaddegh's government.[11] With a change to more conservative governments in both Britain and the United States, Churchill and the U.S. Eisenhower administration decided to overthrow Iran's government though the predecessor U.S. Truman administration had opposed a coup.[12] Classified documents show British intelligence officials played a pivotal role in initiating and planning the coup, and that Washington and London shared an interest in maintaining control over Iranian oil.

and you did support the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran by the Cia.....before the Sha was installed, which lead to the subsequent revolution lead by Ayatolla Khomeni?

Oscar

12th June 2013, 16:43

[QUOTE=Oscar;1130562303]So you supported the Ayotollahs takeover in Iran?
Coz your description fits that revolution to a tee.QUOTE]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

and you did support the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran by the Cia.....before the Sha was installed, which lead to the subsequent revolution lead by Ayatolla Khomeni?

I was referring to the second one, and the fact that Mashies description of a popular uprising was very similar to Iran in 1979, which eventually lead to harsh Sharia law..

Oscar

12th June 2013, 16:49

Those who live in the past limit their future.

.

I guess would argue about that all day.
However since you seem to have very little knowledge of the world, even as it stands today, I'd be wasting my time.
For example, how can you comment about the current regime in Iran or Turkey if you don't know how it got there?

Banditbandit

12th June 2013, 17:00

You are correct - it is not democracy as we know it.
It is also not "the death of democracy", as Mushbrain so breathlessly insists.
The eventual outcome of this may actually re-inforce Turkish democracy and human rights. Either that, or tip Turkey back into the realm of the Generals or the Mullahs. This process has been going on since Attaturk took over, and the question is - which way will Turkey go, European Democracy or Middle Eastern / Muslim / Sharia failed state.

I was attempting to get Mushbrain to actually back up his hyperbole by providing facts (for a change).

So ... you are not really about debating the issues ... you're just baiting Mashie ????

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-a2x88r6sL7k/TmZ9OjTB9-I/AAAAAAAABJE/5ZcMJdyhEzQ/s1600/troll+spray.jpg

Oscar

12th June 2013, 17:10

So ... you are not really about debating the issues ... you're just baiting Mashie ????

Moi?

Baiting Mashie?

That would be Troll on Troll action, wouldn't it?

Anyway, I do find the situation to be interesting.
As I said: The eventual outcome of this may actually re-inforce Turkish democracy and human rights. Either that, or tip Turkey back into the realm of the Generals or the Mullahs. This process has been going on since Attaturk took over, and the question is - which way will Turkey go, European Democracy or Middle Eastern / Muslim / Sharia failed state.

Akzle

12th June 2013, 18:14

which way will Turkey go, European Democracy or Middle Eastern / Muslim / Sharia failed state.

you say that as though democracy is/does/did not cause failed states...

Ocean1

12th June 2013, 19:20

you say that as though democracy is/does/did not cause failed states...

By definition a democracy has failed only if a significant majority of the population don't select the government.

There's been plenty of democracies that failed because they weren't actually democracies. A whole slew of African examples spring to mind.

There's also been plenty of democracies that failed as a result of armed force, but I can't think of any that failed from any other cause.

mashman

12th June 2013, 20:28

So ... you are not really about debating the issues ... you're just baiting Mashie ????

No way, no fuckin way, you take that back... he r very serious about edumacationalising me.

pete376403

12th June 2013, 20:57

By definition a democracy has failed only if a significant majority of the population don't select the government.

There's been plenty of democracies that failed because they weren't actually democracies. A whole slew of African examples spring to mind.

There's also been plenty of democracies that failed as a result of armed force, but I can't think of any that failed from any other cause.

Any country that uses the words "peoples", "democratic" and "republic" in its name is usually neither democratic nor a republic of its people

Oscar

13th June 2013, 08:01

"The Death of Democracy" eh?

A spokesman for Turkey's ruling AKP party says it is open to the idea of a referendum on controversial plans to redevelop Istanbul's Gezi Park.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22882460

oneofsix

13th June 2013, 08:05

"The Death of Democracy" eh?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22882460

Sounds like the protests are working. Guess the decision for the protesters now is to you trust a spokesman from a party that hasn't been listening before? Might be more believable if they left the protesters to have their sit in at the park whilst they hold the referendum.

mashman

13th June 2013, 08:30

"The Death of Democracy" eh?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22882460

"Ruling AK party may hold vote on park." I hope they do. And all it took was image of the party to start looking bad in the eyes of the public. Noone like to see defenceless people being beaten by the police.

Would you say that the decision has more to do with the "party image" being tarnished or because of the protests?

scumdog

13th June 2013, 08:37

Any country that uses the words "peoples", "democratic" and "republic" in its name is usually neither democratic nor a republic of its people

Yup - and add "free" to the mix too.

Banditbandit

13th June 2013, 09:37

By definition a democracy has failed only if a significant majority of the population don't select the government.

There's been plenty of democracies that failed because they weren't actually democracies. A whole slew of African examples spring to mind.

There's also been plenty of democracies that failed as a result of armed force, but I can't think of any that failed from any other cause.

Greece is getting damm close ... and a few other European democracies ... The US o A might become one too - if China calls in the debt ...

Banditbandit

13th June 2013, 09:40

Yup - and add "free" to the mix too.

Yes .. "The Free Democratic People's Republic of Scumlandia" ... That has a certain ring to it ...

unstuck

13th June 2013, 09:44

Yes .. "The Free Democratic People's Republic of Scumlandia" ... That has a certain ring to it ...

That would be the little town to the east and north of the Big River Town wouldn't it.:whistle: Starts with K.:girlfight:

Banditbandit

14th June 2013, 12:12

That would be the little town to the east and north of the Big River Town wouldn't it.:whistle: Starts with K.:girlfight:

And it would have to be a Police State !!!

scumdog

16th June 2013, 18:18

And it would have to be a Police State !!!

The 'good' folk that live there wish it was!:yes:

Akzle

16th June 2013, 19:21

By definition a democracy has failed only if a significant majority of the population don't select the government.

there's a significant majority? that vote?? in nz? for the IMF?

i don't believe it.

blue rider

16th June 2013, 19:36

The 'good' folk that live there wish it was!:yes:

wankers the lot of them....the one profession that adds very little to the overall wellbeing of society is the police.....usually loosers that choose a uniform cause its easier following orders than making up their own mind.

freedome enforced by the police for a few against the masses.....wankers

scumdog

16th June 2013, 19:39

wankers the lot of them....the one profession that adds very little to the overall wellbeing of society is the police.....usually loosers that choose a uniform cause its easier following orders than making up their own mind.

freedome enforced by the police for a few against the masses.....wankers

Glad you told me that - I wouldn't have thought of it by myself...:whistle:

Oh, and do tell me of a successfu,l happy, large society that has no Police??

Ocean1

16th June 2013, 19:41

there's a significant majority? that vote?? in nz? for the IMF?

i don't believe it.

Given that you apparently believe that the IMF is the NZ government I'm astonished that you find anything difficult to believe.

Akzle

17th June 2013, 07:32

Given that you apparently believe that the IMF is the NZ government I'm astonished that you find anything difficult to believe.

wow.
Mashy. Im'a leave this guy to you.

...And i thoughd ed was obtuse.

Akzle

17th June 2013, 07:35

Oh, and do tell me of a successfu,l happy, large society that has no Police??

so you admit that stasi, er, polisse, make large societies unhappy and unsuccessful... Now we're getting somewhere.

Oscar

17th June 2013, 09:08

I see the Turkish PM spoke to spoke to several hundred thousand supporters at another park today.
This dead democracy is showing some life...

oneofsix

17th June 2013, 09:24

So he has a few hundred party faithful, so what does that prove? Even amongst that crowd would have been people who disagreed with him over the protests but were still faithful to the party or Islam.

Oscar

17th June 2013, 10:50

So he has a few hundred party faithful, so what does that prove? Even amongst that crowd would have been people who disagreed with him over the protests but were still faithful to the party or Islam.

My comment was aimed at the OP, who breathlessly pronounced this "the death of democracy".
TV3 reported the crowd at several hundred thousand.

mashman

17th June 2013, 12:05

My comment was aimed at the OP, who breathlessly pronounced this "the death of democracy".
TV3 reported the crowd at several hundred thousand.

Nope. I said democracy is dead. Anything we are given after that is merely a placation.

oneofsix

17th June 2013, 12:05

My comment was aimed at the OP, who breathlessly pronounced this "the death of democracy".
TV3 reported the crowd at several hundred thousand.

The OP's comment was more a repeat of what many others have been saying around the rise of Islamic values in Turkey.
Several hundred thousand out of nearly 100 million and given that many, as already observed, would not be supporting what the prime minister is doing but be more party/Islamic faithful. The numbers still doesn't justify the governments reaction to initially peaceful protests stating their disagreement with policy.

mashman

17th June 2013, 12:06

wow.
Mashy. Im'a leave this guy to you.

...And i thoughd ed was obtuse.

:killingme... you can't gain control over a country's govt using a means of exchange. WTF is wrong with you man.

scumdog

17th June 2013, 12:18

so you admit that stasi, er, polisse, make large societies unhappy and unsuccessful... Now we're getting somewhere.

Stick to your drugs sonny - YOU might get there!

(Durh, some people they no good at understand the England...)

gwigs

17th June 2013, 13:45

http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/06/turkey-threatens-doctors-and-first-responders-violates-medical-neutrality/

Turkey Threatens doctors...

http://imgur.com/gallery/Ms4lT

Protest pics...

oneofsix

17th June 2013, 13:55

you will make scummy jealous posting links like that.

scumdog

17th June 2013, 14:09

mashman

17th June 2013, 14:15

I thought I might have seen a post from mashy in the 'comments' section - maybe he uses another name....;)

bling dooly blung

mashman

17th June 2013, 14:44

http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/06/turkey-threatens-doctors-and-first-responders-violates-medical-neutrality/

Turkey Threatens doctors...

http://imgur.com/gallery/Ms4lT

Protest pics...

From the Turkish Embassy website in New Zealand: (http://wellington.emb.mfa.gov.tr/)

"The Republic of Turkey has been pursuing, since its establishment, a peaceful, realistic and consistent foreign policy guided by the principle “Peace at Home and Peace Abroad” set out by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. Turkey conducts a foreign policy generating security and stability in its region and beyond based on its democratic and secular political system, vibrant economy and its tradition of reconciling modernity with its cultural identity."

Email: embassy.wellington@mfa.gov.tr

Akzle

17th June 2013, 16:37

I thought I might have seen a post from mashy in the 'comments' section - maybe he uses another name....;)

going for detective of the year eh?

Ocean1

17th June 2013, 18:45

wow.
Mashy. Im'a leave this guy to you.

...And i thoughd ed was obtuse.

:killingme... you can't gain control over a country's govt using a means of exchange. WTF is wrong with you man.

You two are obviously onto the real story. Better give the treasury a call, I'm sure they'd welcome your input.

BTW, what did you use to pay for your groceries?

Akzle

17th June 2013, 18:49

You two are obviously onto the real story. Better give the treasury a call, I'm sure they'd welcome your input.

BTW, what did you use to pay for your groceries?

tax free dinaros.
Worked out why 'the crown in right of new zealand' is a company registered in the US yet?

Ocean1

17th June 2013, 19:50

tax free dinaros.

Which apparently are in fact a unit of exchange.

Worked out why 'the crown in right of new zealand' is a company registered in the US yet?

Not interested in yet another half-witted conspiracy theory.

mashman

17th June 2013, 19:52

You two are obviously onto the real story. Better give the treasury a call, I'm sure they'd welcome your input.

BTW, what did you use to pay for your groceries?

They probably already know.

My wife. WTF has that got to do with anything?

Akzle

17th June 2013, 19:57

They probably already know.

My wife. WTF has that got to do with anything?

you traded your wife for food?! Fkn good deal, where do you shop?

Akzle

17th June 2013, 19:58

Not interested in yet another half-witted conspiracy theory.

thats the spirit chap!

mashman

17th June 2013, 19:58

you traded your wife for food?! Fkn good deal, where do you shop?

Nah, it hasn't gone that far yet, but she paid for the food. Having said that she knows she's the first on the block when Jake and Elwood come a knockin.

blue rider

18th June 2013, 13:03

mashman

18th June 2013, 13:50

and 500 odd demonstrators in Brazil, who would like to have schools and hospitals rather than spend the savings of the country on some silly games....

move along, there is nothing to see here either.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22946736

maybe the elected officials world wide should at least 'consider' to represent their people instead of representing their own best interest.

The represent their economy's. Given that everyone relies on money, the more money there is flowing through your country, the better off that country should be being the rationale. Closely followed by financial self-interest. You can only represent the people effectively if you do not have to worry about your economy. As the entire world is built on debt, people will never be looked after by their govts.

blue rider

18th June 2013, 15:58

The represent their economy's. Given that everyone relies on money, the more money there is flowing through your country, the better off that country should be being the rationale. Closely followed by financial self-interest. You can only represent the people effectively if you do not have to worry about your economy. As the entire world is built on debt, people will never be looked after by their govts.

i disagree.....:girlfight:

they represent their interest in the next paying gig after government, be it the IMF, the UN, or any other well paying Think Tank, Org or Corp.

good lord if they would at least represent the economies of the country they pretend to represent, we might have a bit of a more civil discourse.

in the meant time bread and circus (well in this case global soccer) for those who can afford the tickets or get invited into the corporate box.

gwigs

18th June 2013, 17:38

mashman

18th June 2013, 18:18

i disagree.....:girlfight:

they represent their interest in the next paying gig after government, be it the IMF, the UN, or any other well paying Think Tank, Org or Corp.

good lord if they would at least represent the economies of the country they pretend to represent, we might have a bit of a more civil discourse.

in the meant time bread and circus (well in this case global soccer) for those who can afford the tickets or get invited into the corporate box.

Oh do you now... fair points all. I wonder how many went into politics with views on helping people and then turned to the dark side?

FFS, it's global football :mad:

mashman

18th June 2013, 18:23

TPTP...you better run.....

I've always love his and their music, but over the last few years it's started to make more and more sense lyrically.

But a fave from K.A.O.S

[Billy:] "Four minutes and counting."
[Jim:] "O.K."
[Billy:] "They pressed the button, Jim."
[Jim:] "They pressed the button Billy, what button?"
[Billy:] "The big red one."
[Jim:] "You mean THE button?"
[Billy:] "Goodbye, Jim."
[Jim:] "Goodbye!
Oh yes
This ain't au revoir, it's goodbye!
Ha! Ha!
This is KAOS
It's a beautiful, balmy
Southern California summer day
It's 80 degrees...
I said balmy...
I could say bomby
Ha! Ha!
O.K.
I'm Jim and this is Radio KAOS
And with only four minutes left to us
Let's use this as wisely as possible....
([Molly:] Everybody got someone they call home)
Out at Dodger Stadium
It's the bottom of the seventh
The Dodgers are leading three to nothing over the Giants
And for those of you who are looking to go surfing tomorrow
Too bad

blue rider

18th June 2013, 19:15

Oh do you now... fair points all. I wonder how many went into politics with views on helping people and then turned to the dark side?

FFS, it's global football :mad:

soccer mate, overpaid sport if ever there was one....

nope move along really nothing to see here....someone call the riotpolice....lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKqk4iaMHO8&feature=youtu.be

mashman

18th June 2013, 19:50

soccer mate, overpaid sport if ever there was one....

nope move along really nothing to see here....someone call the riotpolice....lol

Football! :bleh: and yup, they are seriously overpaid.

Unfortunately the World Cup is big business, probably not much bigger... protests are gonna be outlawed ain't they?

blue rider

18th June 2013, 19:57

Football! :bleh: and yup, they are seriously overpaid.

Unfortunately the World Cup is big business, probably not much bigger... protests are gonna be outlawed ain't they?

Fussball = Soccer :oi-grr:

mashman

18th June 2013, 20:03

Fussball = Soccer :oi-grr:

Sorry, I forgot you were female, so you can be excused for your faux pas should you wish. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fussball) :D

avgas

18th June 2013, 20:07

blue rider

18th June 2013, 20:17

Sorry, I forgot you were female, so you can be excused for your faux pas should you wish. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fussball) :D

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soccer

as you were....

let me make that easy for ya

Origin of SOCCER

by shortening & alteration from association football
First Known Use: 1889

mashman

18th June 2013, 20:25

Still looking for a decent riot in NZ. Last good one was when the Vans skate tour was here in 96 or Whangamata New Years Eve in 98.
No one overturns cars in NZ anymore.
Hell a cripple in Westpac shut down a good section of Auckland with an air pistol.

Thug.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soccer

as you were....

let me make that easy for ya

Origin of SOCCER

by shortening & alteration from association football
First Known Use: 1889

I know the origin of it darlin... but in the UK, the land from whence the glorious game came (or at least where the game was associated), it was shortened, not altered, to Football. Toe the line.

blue rider

18th June 2013, 20:47

Thug.

I know the origin of it darlin... but in the UK, the land from whence the glorious game came (or at least where the game was associated), it was shortened, not altered, to Football. Toe the line.

sorry can't toe the line....poms ....pffft, ....football is the thing the gentlemanly thing with the egg or so i has been told.

blue rider

19th June 2013, 09:25

the turks are apperantly not finished yet...

instead of marching and banging pots and pans they have taken to just stand silently, alone or in small groups

http://galeri.sozcu.com.tr/2013/foto/foto-haber/o-durdu-herkes-durdu.html?pid=39

yes, one can get arrested for 'standing silently', the police will make it up as they go along, after all their orders are clear, keep those pesky unhappy citizens of the street.

more pics from Hurriyet on of turkeys larger newspapers.

http://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/galeridetay.aspx?cid=70216&rid=2&p=1

in the mean time in brasil, where pesky citizens rather see their government funds go to silly things like schools n hospitals than large stadiums for sporting events that most of them will not see as the tickets to those sporting events are too dear...

scroll down for further pictures...I especially like the ones with the indiscriminate use of pepper spray, the police they friend n helper (the same pictures, albeit are coming from countries world wide, Mr. Cop that sprayed non violent protesters in the States, the Lady in Red, now the Lady and young man from Brazil etc.)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/18/1216959/-200-000-Rise-Up-in-Brazil-The-People-Have-Awakened

gwigs

19th June 2013, 18:29

I've always love his and their music, but over the last few years it's started to make more and more sense lyrically.

But a fave from K.A.O.S

[Billy:] "Four minutes and counting."
[Jim:] "O.K."
[Billy:] "They pressed the button, Jim."
[Jim:] "They pressed the button Billy, what button?"
[Billy:] "The big red one."
[Jim:] "You mean THE button?"
[Billy:] "Goodbye, Jim."
[Jim:] "Goodbye!
Oh yes
This ain't au revoir, it's goodbye!
Ha! Ha!
This is KAOS
It's a beautiful, balmy
Southern California summer day
It's 80 degrees...
I said balmy...
I could say bomby
Ha! Ha!
O.K.
I'm Jim and this is Radio KAOS
And with only four minutes left to us
Let's use this as wisely as possible....
([Molly:] Everybody got someone they call home)
Out at Dodger Stadium
It's the bottom of the seventh
The Dodgers are leading three to nothing over the Giants
And for those of you who are looking to go surfing tomorrow
Too bad

Watched 1984 last night..watched it in 1984 ...didnt get it then...and ooh I get it now ..:eek5:

mashman

19th June 2013, 19:12

Watched 1984 last night..watched it in 1984 ...didnt get it then...and ooh I get it now ..:eek5:

Oddly enough a movie I've never seen. Might has to consult the video shop.

Banditbandit

21st June 2013, 09:29

Watched 1984 last night..watched it in 1984 ...didnt get it then...and ooh I get it now ..:eek5:

Oddly enough a movie I've never seen. Might has to consult the video shop.

It's excellent - so's the book .. so is We by Yevgeny Zamyatin (http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Library-Classics-Yevgeny-Zamyatin/dp/081297462X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1371763628&sr=1-1&keywords=We) Orwell nicked a far bit of his book from Zamyatin's ...

During the 1970s I wondered what 1984 would actually be like ... when we got there it was same old same old ... I can't believe that was 29 years ago !!!

puddytat

21st June 2013, 20:24

...........http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/06/21/the-dunne-vance-theory-conclusion/

avgas

21st June 2013, 20:59

Thug.
Don't ask for what you don't want. Nothing changed peacefully.
Unless you believe Ghandi was a rapist.

unstuck

21st June 2013, 21:03

So does that mean the CIA are gonna start buying tama iti guns and shit. :2thumbsup

mashman

21st June 2013, 23:33

Don't ask for what you don't want. Nothing changed peacefully.
Unless you believe Ghandi was a rapist.

True. The changes that we have had have only ever been structural, never societal. Those who govern may change but the politics remains the same. I would like to think a peaceful transition could be made, it's certainly possible, but as you say it's change has never really happened peacefully.

unstuck

22nd June 2013, 11:38

blue rider

25th June 2013, 23:36

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201591416607083&set=vb.112757092076865&type=2&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201591416607083&set=vb.112757092076865&type=2&theater
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/24/notes-from-ankara/

not yet finished, might have not even started yet

GCSB Thought Police

28th June 2013, 10:47

True. The changes that we have had have only ever been structural, never societal. Those who govern may change but the politics remains the same. I would like to think a peaceful transition could be made, it's certainly possible, but as you say it's change has never really happened peacefully.

Juzt stick to your passive complaints and weird ideas and no harm will come to you.

mashman

28th June 2013, 12:45

Juzt stick to your passive complaints and weird ideas and no harm will come to you.

And should I take a more active role in pursuing my weird ideas?

gwigs

28th June 2013, 15:13

284362

Turkey....

GCSB Thought Police

8th July 2013, 12:44

And should I take a more active role in pursuing my weird ideas?

Absolutely not. The ideas are very frowned upon, and it would also be a waste of your time. As you can see from the responses here, no-one will take you seriously.

More ever, should you pursue your weird ideas, it might give other people pause for thought, and we cannot allow that.

Banditbandit

8th July 2013, 14:13

Banditbandit

8th July 2013, 14:24

mashman

8th July 2013, 16:09

Absolutely not. The ideas are very frowned upon, and it would also be a waste of your time. As you can see from the responses here, no-one will take you seriously.

More ever, should you pursue your weird ideas, it might give other people pause for thought, and we cannot allow that.

Did you see the results of the poll in another thread on the subject? It's hardly no-one and I'm not concerned with being taken seriously or not as we all have free will, well, the illusion of will.

I can't help that.