A wee bit of advice to those applying for jobs

[bosslady]

I just thought I would share a wee bit of advice (mostly due to my sheer frustration) for those who are applying for jobs, especially via the internet i.e. trademe etc. Even those who are in the position of hiring staff might find it useful.

When placing an advert at the very end of the ad I always make sure I put something in there that ensures the person applying for the job does some extra work i.e. I instruct them to go our website and tell me how many outlets we have or which of our product(s) are their favourite and put that in their cover letter. In actual fact, I state that they won't even be considered for the position unless they do so. I placed a job advert last Friday, 6 people out of 35 did what I asked.
Those 6 people are put into a "keep" folder for me to look at later the other 29 are put into "no". When I have time during my day to go through cv's I have a look at the "keep" folder first. I only ever look at the "no" folder as a last resort and if I don't have many applicants for the position.

You might say that I could be missing out on someone really awesome, just because they didn't do what I'd asked them to and you could very well be right, I might be. But to be honest for each position I advertise I usually have at least a couple of hundred applicants and I don't have time to go through all those cv's. It also tells me something about their attention to detail (or lack thereof!) and that maybe they're the kind of superstars that will make the extra effort and really want the job.

SO my tip to people applying for jobs - read the advert from top to bottom! You might be doing yourself a disservice otherwise. Even if the the advert doesn't ask you to do something like I have, I'm generally very impressed when someone puts a sentence or paragraph in their cover letter about what they know about our company, which of our products they like or their experience of going to one of our outlets - another tip for you! *vent over*

[Banditbandit]

Cool. I'm pleased you managed to get your "vent" over .. and it's only Tuesday. What can you accomplish this week now that's out of the way?

Bad weekend was it ??? Bit short staffed on the first day back from a long weekend?

[bosslady]

Cool. I'm pleased you managed to get your "vent" over .. and it's only Tuesday. What can you accomplish this week now that's out of the way?

Bad weekend was it ??? Bit short staffed on the first day back from a long weekend?

Nah not a bad weekend, but it's disappointing to come back to a whole lot of cv's where people haven't "qualified", their loss! And nah, not short staffed - just hiring for the future, going to get very busy :)

What can I accomplish... hmm maybe some actual work? LOL

[Maha]

Early 90's I advertised for an apprenticeship position with the then Labour Exchange/Department. They sent me a number of CV's which stated that the applicant/s wanted to travel..
Well fuck off and do that shit, and don't waste my time with someone who has no intention of sticking around after all the effort has been put into them for three years or more.

Ended up hiring a school boy who helped out during one holiday period, he showed he had what it took, and got a job out of it, and as far as I know, he is still in the industry.
Don't envy your job/task on this matter Ms B.

[bosslady]

Early 90's I advertised for an apprenticeship position with the then Labour Exchange/Department. They sent me a number of CV's which stated that the applicant/s wanted to travel..
Well fuck off and do that shit, and don't waste my time with someone who has no intention of sticking around after all the effort has been put into them for three years or more.

Ended up hiring a school boy who helped out during one holiday period, he showed he had what it took, and got a job out of it, and as far as I know, he is still in the industry.
Don't envy your job/task on this matter Ms B.

I must say sometimes I have a giggle at some of the stuff that comes through. The most recent position I hired for was an Administration position. An applicant basically said they expected xyz $ because otherwise it wasn't worth it for them to leave their current position but if we were closer to where they lived they'd accept less $ (we aren't). Good on them for being honest however it got a bit much when they started saying that they must have an air conditioned office and they must have this and that etc. The office is air conditioned but the demands they were making and the way they worded it sounded like they'd be hard work. I really just laugh when people send through the wrong cover letters too i.e. applying for salesperson job, or hairdresser or childcare, looking after the elderly etc. That's nice you know, but not even remotely related to what we do here... And when interviewing I always ask if they want to go travel i.e. their OE or move overseas, or go back to school etc. as like you I can't afford to/don't want to invest time and money in training people and for them to bugger off. However even if you ask, most people aren't honest about it because they know if they are honest that you won't consider them.

[Banditbandit]

And when interviewing I always ask if they want to go travel i.e. their OE or move overseas, or go back to school etc. as like you I can't afford to/don't want to invest time and money in training people and for them to bugger off.




There's a swings and roundabouts approach needed there .. if you hire already trained people then someone else has had to pay for it ... if you dont train staff, then when they leave someone else has to pick up the costs .. join in and pay for it is the better appraoach - it also contributes to staff loyalty ..

So sometimes you win - sometimes you loose ... but all in all it works out in the end .. unless you don't do your part and don't train staff .. paying for training is never wasted money ...


However even if you ask, most people aren't honest about it because they know if they are honest that you won't consider them.

So why bother asking?

[Stirts]

I'm generally very impressed when someone puts a sentence or paragraph in their cover letter

I hope you write your job adverts better that you do your posts. Just sayin' :bleh:

[Drew]

I hope you write your job adverts better that you do your posts. Just sayin' :bleh:You beat me to it bitch!

Perhaps you she could ask in one of her 'ads' for them to explain how to structure something resembling a paragraph, in the written english word?

Maybe they struggle to read the ads so much, only some people realise there is a task to be completed at all.

[Drew]

I must say sometimes I have a giggle at some of the stuff that comes through. The most recent position I hired for was an Administration position. An applicant basically said they expected xyz $ because otherwise it wasn't worth it for them to leave their current position but if we were closer to where they lived they'd accept less $ (we aren't). Good on them for being honest however it got a bit much when they started saying that they must have an air conditioned office and they must have this and that etc. The office is air conditioned but the demands they were making and the way they worded it sounded like they'd be hard work. I really just laugh when people send through the wrong cover letters too i.e. applying for salesperson job, or hairdresser or childcare, looking after the elderly etc. That's nice you know, but not even remotely related to what we do here... And when interviewing I always ask if they want to go travel i.e. their OE or move overseas, or go back to school etc. as like you I can't afford to/don't want to invest time and money in training people and for them to bugger off. However even if you ask, most people aren't honest about it because they know if they are honest that you won't consider them.
Never mind, it appears the chunk of (insert food substance here) is out of the enter key now.

[bosslady]

There's a swings and roundabouts approach needed there .. if you hire already trained people then someone else has had to pay for it ... if you dont train staff, then when they leave someone else has to pick up the costs .. join in and pay for it is the better appraoach - it also contributes to staff loyalty ..

So sometimes you win - sometimes you loose ... but all in all it works out in the end .. unless you don't do your part and don't train staff .. paying for training is never wasted money ...



So why bother asking?

Why bother asking? because SOME people are honest - so it's worth knowing. Can't help it if those who aren't (honest) lie.

Doing the job we do here, there really isn't such a thing as someone who is already trained to do the job (not that it's specialised or anything, cause it aint!) although things like forklift certs etc. are advantageous. Most people I have hired don't have previous experience in what we do so we have paid for all their training i.e. food hygiene courses, forklift certs, first aid etc. Each staff member is also fully kitted out in uniform i.e. designer jeans or shorts, t-shirts, sweatshirts, footwear, other safety paraphernalia etc. so it's a big investment for me when I hire a new person. I don't make the mistake now of providing one of these courses for staff say within the first 2-3 months of employment as when I have spent a few hundred dollars on them (that I can't get back) they've left, for whatever reason and I have training and uniform budgets I need to stick to. I could have spent that money on sending current staff on other kinds of training courses that could benefit them/us.

[bosslady]

I hope you write your job adverts better that you do your posts. Just sayin' :bleh:


You beat me to it bitch!

Perhaps you she could ask in one of her 'ads' for them to explain how to structure something resembling a paragraph, in the written english word?

Maybe they struggle to read the ads so much, only some people realise there is a task to be completed at all.

Nice. I'm thinker than you smart I am! If you're referring to the fact I can't seem to separate paragraphs, for some reason I can't press enter when I am typing messages on this forum, not sure what's wrong - doesn't matter what browser I use either. Then sometimes I can press enter.. it's a pain. I wouldn't have my job if I couldn't do the things you don't seem to think I can :)

[Drew]

Nice. I'm thinker than you smart I am! If you're referring to the fact I can't seem to separate paragraphs, for some reason I can't press enter when I am typing messages on this forum, not sure what's wrong - doesn't matter what browser I use either. Then sometimes I can press enter.. it's a pain. I wouldn't have my job if I couldn't do the things you don't seem to think I can :)


Hit enter twice to seperate paragraphs on here.
But it should look like this if you don't, and not like a word jumble.

[Stirts]

You beat me to it bitch!

Losing your WOOD betrayed you, son. Made you think stupid. It won't be the last time that happens.

[bosslady]

Hit enter twice to seperate paragraphs on here.
But it should look like this if you don't, and not like a word jumble.
That's the thing I can keep pressing the damn enter key and it won't do shit, pisses me off. It's worse on my stupid tablet.

Seems it's working today though.

Maybe I eat at my desk too much and I've got some food in there or something ;)

[Drew]

Losing your WOOD betrayed you, son. Made you think stupid. It won't be the last time that happens.

I didn't lose it, I left it for Trace. Steve is getting pretty old ya know, I'm sure she will appreciate it.

[Stirts]

I didn't lose it, I left it for Trace

What an utter slut you are

[Drew]

What an utter slut you are

LOOOOOTS of girls touched my wood on Sunday night. Including one rather over eager girl!

[Stirts]

LOOOOOTS of girls touched my wood on Sunday night. Including one rather over eager girl!

"over eager girl"

So said girl had her wine googles on then?

[Akzle]

Nice. I'm thinker than you smart I am! If you're referring to the fact I can't seem to separate paragraphs, for some reason I can't press enter when I am typing messages on this forum, not sure what's wrong - doesn't matter what browser I use either. Then sometimes I can press enter.. it's a pain. I wouldn't have my job if I couldn't do the things you don't seem to think I can :)

try shift+ enter.

[Hitcher]

I never interview applicants who have not submitted a covering letter that has been personalised to match the role for which they are applying.

[scissorhands]

I'm as honest as they get.

You dont want someone like me unless your really secure about yourself.

Plus I wont get out of bed for less than 100k

And if I hear any Maori or retard jokes I'll bring a voice recorder to work.

[c4.]

And if I hear any Maori or regard jokes I'll bring a voice recorder to work.

Why? Haven't you heard the one about the regarded Maori?

[scissorhands]

Why? Haven't you heard the one about the regarded Maori?

It was his honky relatives fault?

[Brett]

Hire me, I has got real good english and no my mafematics oright. I are willing to start work on $65 bucks an our and wil onlee want 6 weaks anuel leeve. Start Mundei?

Oh...and wat kynd of tree are you...I wil google how many branches you shuld hav.

[Berries]

When placing an advert at the very end of the ad I always make sure I put something in there that ensures the person applying for the job does some extra work i.e. I instruct them to go our website and tell me how many outlets we have or which of our product(s) are their favourite and put that in their cover letter. In actual fact, I state that they won't even be considered for the position unless they do so. I placed a job advert last Friday, 6 people out of 35 did what I asked.
To be honest, if I saw an ad like that I wouldn't even bother applying to work for you. While you have six people who did what you said and 29 who didn't you have no idea how many people were turned off by your methodology. Some of them may have fitted the chicken costume perfectly.


McDonalds has 23,346 outlets btw.

[newhere]

To be honest, if I saw an ad like that I wouldn't even bother applying to work for you. While you have six people who did what you said and 29 who didn't you have no idea how many people were turned off by your methodology. Some of them may have fitted the chicken costume perfectly.


McDonalds has 23,346 outlets btw.


you actually get training at McDonalds... :banana:

[gammaguy]

I just thought I would share a wee bit of advice (mostly due to my sheer frustration) for those who are applying for jobs, especially via the internet i.e. trademe etc. Even those who are in the position of hiring staff might find it useful.

When placing an advert at the very end of the ad I always make sure I put something in there that ensures the person applying for the job does some extra work i.e. I instruct them to go our website and tell me how many outlets we have or which of our product(s) are their favourite and put that in their cover letter. In actual fact, I state that they won't even be considered for the position unless they do so. I placed a job advert last Friday, 6 people out of 35 did what I asked.
Those 6 people are put into a "keep" folder for me to look at later the other 29 are put into "no". When I have time during my day to go through cv's I have a look at the "keep" folder first. I only ever look at the "no" folder as a last resort and if I don't have many applicants for the position.

You might say that I could be missing out on someone really awesome, just because they didn't do what I'd asked them to and you could very well be right, I might be. But to be honest for each position I advertise I usually have at least a couple of hundred applicants and I don't have time to go through all those cv's. It also tells me something about their attention to detail (or lack thereof!) and that maybe they're the kind of superstars that will make the extra effort and really want the job.

SO my tip to people applying for jobs - read the advert from top to bottom! You might be doing yourself a disservice otherwise. Even if the the advert doesn't ask you to do something like I have, I'm generally very impressed when someone puts a sentence or paragraph in their cover letter about what they know about our company, which of our products they like or their experience of going to one of our outlets - another tip for you! *vent over*


Since when did anyone on trade me read the entire listing?

Due to most visitors on there having the attention span of a goldfish,I often end up answering questions that are already answered if they bother to read the entire listing.

Why should you expect anything different in your job listings?

I blame the culture of mediocrity in the education system

[bosslady]

To be honest, if I saw an ad like that I wouldn't even bother applying to work for you. While you have six people who did what you said and 29 who didn't you have no idea how many people were turned off by your methodology. Some of them may have fitted the chicken costume perfectly.


McDonalds has 23,346 outlets btw.

That's fine. I hire most people based on their (good) attitude. If someone can't be bothered reading or see the method of my madness then they're probably not best for my team.

[unstuck]

I was walking past a building site in Queen st one day and yelled out to this guy, OI, giz a job, and he did. I was stoned out of my tree, and couldnt belive anyone would actually hire me. Must of been really desperate. DO NOT STAY at the BUDGET hotel at the top of queen st.:nono::lol:

[JimO]

That's fine. I hire most people based on their (good) attitude. If someone can't be bothered reading or see the method of my madness then they're probably not best for my team.
did you let the 29 who didnt get the job know they missed out

[bosslady]

did you let the 29 who didnt get the job know they missed out
I can see what you are trying to start there and I'm not interested sorry :)







But if you really want to know and aren't just trying to wind me up. Yes, I replied to everyone good and bad. I even replied to and asked the 5 people who sent me no cover letter or cv and just put in the body of the email that they wanted a job, to send me their info.

[Banditbandit]

I was walking past a building site in Queen st one day and yelled out to this guy, OI, giz a job, and he did. I was stoned out of my tree, and couldnt belive anyone would actually hire me. Must of been really desperate. DO NOT STAY at the BUDGET hotel at the top of queen st.:nono::lol:

Bwhahahaha .. and I'll bet you loved that job ....


(I've made one career decision in my life and it was a complete fuck up ... it was recent too, only last decade, not last century ... so I've stopped making career decisions ... whatever happens will happen .. )

[unstuck]

Bwhahahaha .. and I'll bet you loved that job ....


(I've made one career decision in my life and it was a complete fuck up ... it was recent too, only last decade, not last cventury ... so I've stopped making career decisions ... whatever happens will happen .. )

Was pretty good actually. Was in charge of putting all the saftey cages and rails up, great job for a wasted punk rocker. The owners were rob and russel coutts, and rob was the one that hired me.:weird: I wouldn't of let me on the site.:nono:

[blue rider]

I believe this thread needs some music.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4QnalIHlVc

[Banditbandit]

True .. but maybe something like this ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNg3DTBQGgk

or even ... ('specially for Maccas ...)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGoDtmTllg

[Oakie]

I'll start a shitfight here because I really don't want to create a whole thread on it (yet):

I spoke to one of our recent applicants today and told her that she would have to remove or obliterate the swastika tattoo from her hand before we could hire her. I did this because the swastika represents a regime who killed the sort of people we support at work (intellectually disabled). Discuss.

[bosslady]

I'll start a shitfight here because I really don't want to create a whole thread on it (yet):

I spoke to one of our recent applicants today and told her that she would have to remove or obliterate the swastika tattoo from her hand before we could hire her. I did this because the swastika represents a regime who killed the sort of people we support at work (intellectually disabled). Discuss.

Hmmm what did she say?

[Drew]

I'll start a shitfight here because I really don't want to create a whole thread on it (yet):

I spoke to one of our recent applicants today and told her that she would have to remove or obliterate the swastika tattoo from her hand before we could hire her. I did this because the swastika represents a regime who killed the sort of people we support at work (intellectually disabled). Discuss.


Wouldn't have even contacted them were I you. Should I have seen such a thing on the hand of one of my brothers carers, I'd have raised hell!

[blue rider]

I'll start a shitfight here because I really don't want to create a whole thread on it (yet):

I spoke to one of our recent applicants today and told her that she would have to remove or obliterate the swastika tattoo from her hand before we could hire her. I did this because the swastika represents a regime who killed the sort of people we support at work (intellectually disabled). Discuss.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

[Oakie]

Hmmm what did she say?

She said she understood when I explained why. I also mentioned that we had half a dozen people with a German background on staff and it would be offensive to them too.


Wouldn't have even contacted them were I you. Should I have seen such a thing on the hand of one of my brothers carers, I'd have raised hell! Exactly the sort of reaction I was afraid of from our guys families too. Many of them have elderly parents and that symbol is more than just a mark of youthful rebellion.

For what it's worth, this woman was quite nice and throughly regrets getting the tat when she was much younger.

[pzkpfw]

There were swatikas on the first version of my wedding invite. Perfectly legit - as my Wife and in-laws are Indian. Religious symbol and all that.

However, with an invite being sent to my last Grandparent in the Netherlands - someone who lived through the Nazi occupation of their country - I had the things replaced by Om's. Just easier and safer than having to explain the point of the symbol.

---

Back on thread topic:

I have a friend who is a hiring/firing managerial type at a large Govt. department.

When 100 people apply for 5 jobs; any CV's with spelling mistakes go straight into the round file. The culling has to start somewhere.

[Oakie]

Yeah I'm a bit of a spelling and grammar snob when it comes to applications myself.

[Ocean1]

For what it's worth, this woman was quite nice and throughly regrets getting the tat when she was much younger.

Did you consider offering to pay for it's removal if she was hired?

[mashman]

Hmmm what did she say?

That's discrimination, Heil call my layer.

[russd7]

Since when did anyone on trade me read the entire listing?

Due to most visitors on there having the attention span of a goldfish,I often end up answering questions that are already answered if they bother to read the entire listing.

Why should you expect anything different in your job listings?

I blame the culture of mediocrity in the education system

actually, since entering the employee side again i always re ask the questions answered in an advert, can tell way more from body language when they get answered than any piece of paper will tell you.

but i do agree about our pathetic education system where schools take kids out of classes they are not doing well in just so the school looks good on paper

[russd7]

I was walking past a building site in Queen st one day and yelled out to this guy, OI, giz a job, and he did. I was stoned out of my tree, and couldnt belive anyone would actually hire me. Must of been really desperate. DO NOT STAY at the BUDGET hotel at the top of queen st.:nono::lol:

that must be why you just flowed with the bike on the poker run a cple year ago :woohoo::woohoo:

[Asher]

What would be a good answer to the wanting to travel question? Because everyone wants to travel, it would be hard to answer truthfully without sounding like the first thing you will be doing with your pay check is saving it for your OE.

Im currently looking at changing jobs. Im really not enjoying where i work and feel like i am being actively alienated by the management but im concerned that their lack of support will cast a negative shadow on me to future employers.

Any tips?

[bosslady]

What would be a good answer to the wanting to travel question? Because everyone wants to travel, it would be hard to answer truthfully without sounding like the first thing you will be doing with your pay check is saving it for your OE.

Im currently looking at changing jobs. Im really not enjoying where i work and feel like i am being actively alienated by the management but im concerned that their lack of support will cast a negative shadow on me to future employers.

Any tips?

What makes you feel you're being alienated?

As for travel, what kind of travelling are you talking about and when? A few weeks is one thing, a few months another, a year, well..

[Oakie]

Did you consider offering to pay for it's removal if she was hired?

It crossed my mind ... but no.

[Asher]

What makes you feel you're being alienated?

As for travel, what kind of travelling are you talking about and when? A few weeks is one thing, a few months another, a year, well..


I was hired into a irrigation company as a uni graduate with a specialist degree in water science and was told at my interview that i would be mentored and trained by the best system designers in the country and have a role as a GPS/GIS specialist created for me.

A year has past and my typical work duties consist of; sweeping floors, bolting things together and lifting heaving things. All for a meager wage that i was willing to accept as i believed this was a smart career choice.
I constantly get opportunities past over my head and often feel forgotten, when i do complain this to the management i get told what i want to hear then promptly ignored.

Its all incredibly frustrating but im worried that if i give up now that i will look like a quitter.

[unstuck]

that must be why you just flowed with the bike on the poker run a cple year ago :woohoo::woohoo:

Did I forget to tell you I was stoned.:gob::Oops:

[scissorhands]

I was hired into a irrigation company as a uni graduate with a specialist degree in water science and was told at my interview that i would be mentored and trained by the best system designers in the country and have a role as a GPS/GIS specialist created for me.

A year has past and my typical work duties consist of; sweeping floors, bolting things together and lifting heaving things. All for a meager wage that i was willing to accept as i believed this was a smart career choice.
I constantly get opportunities past over my head and often feel forgotten, when i do complain this to the management i get told what i want to hear then promptly ignored.

Its all incredibly frustrating but im worried that if i give up now that i will look like a quitter.

I come from a long line of quitters. If everyone quit their jobs, everything would get better very quickly:yes:

[cc rider]

Love my job. 3rd time working for same motorbike company. :wings:

First time walked into unopened new store & asked if work available... started next day for 2 days of opening sale, got asked to stay for week to help tidy up, then asked if I'd like to stay on... Sweet!

Left to come over to NZ for a while. When I came back I rang to say hi to friend there & was asked if I wanted my job back... Sweet!

Left to move down coast, 1 day walked into another branch & asked if job advert on window filled... a big boss there said come in next day & intro myself to Manager... Sweet!

Never had an interiew.

I work bloody hard... they know it.

Just have to stop buying gear :facepalm:

[Banditbandit]

I was hired into a irrigation company as a uni graduate with a specialist degree in water science and was told at my interview that i would be mentored and trained by the best system designers in the country and have a role as a GPS/GIS specialist created for me.

A year has past and my typical work duties consist of; sweeping floors, bolting things together and lifting heaving things. All for a meager wage that i was willing to accept as i believed this was a smart career choice.
I constantly get opportunities past over my head and often feel forgotten, when i do complain this to the management i get told what i want to hear then promptly ignored.

Its all incredibly frustrating but im worried that if i give up now that i will look like a quitter.

They've got you trapped haven't they .. you're cheap labour ... they just pat you on the head occassionally and back to work you go ...

My advice? QUIT NOW ... (and before anyone says "easy for you to say" .. I have quit many jobs for very similar reasons ... even ones which paid me 70grand and more ... )




I come from a long line of quitters. If everyone quit their jobs, everything would get better very quickly:yes:

Yeah .. maybe .. I doubt it .. at at least Asher will feel better and find a better job ...

[unstuck]

I was hired into a irrigation company as a uni graduate with a specialist degree in water science and was told at my interview that i would be mentored and trained by the best system designers in the country and have a role as a GPS/GIS specialist created for me.

A year has past and my typical work duties consist of; sweeping floors, bolting things together and lifting heaving things. All for a meager wage that i was willing to accept as i believed this was a smart career choice.
I constantly get opportunities past over my head and often feel forgotten, when i do complain this to the management i get told what i want to hear then promptly ignored.

Its all incredibly frustrating but im worried that if i give up now that i will look like a quitter.

Dude, start being a bit more self assertive. Stand up and tell them what you want, not what they want to hear. What have you got to lose, a job that you are not happy with, if you have an employment contract that states that you were hired for a certain role, and you are not doing it, TELL THEM. ;)

[Stirts]

I was hired into a irrigation company as a uni graduate with a specialist degree in water science and was told at my interview that i would be mentored and trained by the best system designers in the country and have a role as a GPS/GIS specialist created for me.

A year has past and my typical work duties consist of; sweeping floors, bolting things together and lifting heaving things. All for a meager wage that i was willing to accept as i believed this was a smart career choice.
I constantly get opportunities past over my head and often feel forgotten, when i do complain this to the management i get told what i want to hear then promptly ignored.

Its all incredibly frustrating but im worried that if i give up now that i will look like a quitter.

As Mr unstuck said ... be more self assertive.

If you are getting told what you want to hear... eg "be mentored and trained by the best system designers in the country and have a role as a GPS/GIS specialist created for me."

If this is not in writing, THEN GET IT IN WRITTING!!! Along with dates, performance reviews based on KPI's, and all that HR BS. If they are not prepared to do that then you have your answer... quit!

[Monkfish]

As Mr unstuck said ... be more self assertive.

If you are getting told what you want to hear... eg "be mentored and trained by the best system designers in the country and have a role as a GPS/GIS specialist created for me."

If this is not in writing, THEN GET IT IN WRITTING!!! Along with dates, performance reviews based on KPI's, and all that HR BS. If they are not prepared to do that then you have your answer... quit!

Quoted for truth.

Get it in writing, if they say NO then you have your answer!

[avgas]

Ah Recruitment. Where a person applies, and is selected, then processed as prime candidate (by someone whom assumes they know the industry). They are hired.

Then both the "prime candidate", and said agent disappear. With the cash.

Disconnected are the suitable candidates and the employer.
The employer now doesn't have any money. Or employee.
The suitable candidates still don't have a job or any cash.

Best rort the world has ever seen.

[Asher]

They've got you trapped haven't they .. you're cheap labour ... they just pat you on the head occassionally and back to work you go ...

My advice? QUIT NOW ... (and before anyone says "easy for you to say" .. I have quit many jobs for very similar reasons ... even ones which paid me 70grand and more ... )


Thats basically my feelings too. Although i dont think that was their intentions when hiring me but unfortunately for me i started during a busy time in the industry and they felt like i was more useful as a laborer. Now when things are slowing down their lack of support and development are really counting against me.

I had a performance review a few weeks ago where they had quite a few criticisms about me, most of which i didnt agree with and felt like they were find reasons to not increase my wage. But their latest round of promises were pretty good so i will see if these finally eventuate before deciding to leave or stay.

[unstuck]

Thats basically my feelings too. Although i dont think that was their intentions when hiring me but unfortunately for me i started during a busy time in the industry and they felt like i was more useful as a laborer. Now when things are slowing down their lack of support and development are really counting against me.

I had a performance review a few weeks ago where they had quite a few criticisms about me, most of which i didnt agree with and felt like they were find reasons to not increase my wage. But their latest round of promises were pretty good so i will see if these finally eventuate before deciding to leave or stay.

Get these promises on your contract, or they are worth diddly squat, and they can keep fucking you around as much as they want.

[Oakie]

Ah Recruitment. Where a person applies, and is selected, then processed as prime candidate (by someone whom assumes they know the industry). They are hired.

Then both the "prime candidate", and said agent disappear. With the cash.

Disconnected are the suitable candidates and the employer.
The employer now doesn't have any money. Or employee.
The suitable candidates still don't have a job or any cash.

Best rort the world has ever seen.

Well I suppose it could happen but I've never heard of it. You'd have to be a pretty naive employer to get suckered into that one.

[Oakie]

Oh, going back to my earlier story about the woman with the swastika tattoo ... she rang me today to withdraw her application for now. She thanked me for giving her the impetus she needed to get rid of it and said she'd re-apply when she's had her tattoo dealt with. I hope she follows through on both the tattoo and then getting back to me.

[unstuck]

Maybe I should apply for this job, our spelling is comparable at least.:nya:

We are a silage contracting buiness but have trucks for general cartage of gravel and rock etc and also have a 140hec sheep farm whitch is run with the contracting
The person we are looking for would need at lest a class 2 licence or better,be able to work in a team and by them self as required,there can be some bigger days threw the season but this averges out threw the winter.:2thumbsup