Strange happenings with my bike

[Tigadee]

It started three weeks ago on a ride in the country and the bike hiccupped twice. That means cut out for a second and then continued like normal then cut out again 10 secs later for another sec, then resumed working. Nothing else happened for another week when I was traveling home on the motorway when the bike again hiccuped once.

Last night, I tried for 10 secs to start the bike and it wouldn't. Lights strong and bright, kill switch off, bike in neutral... After 10 -12 secs, engine turned over.

This morning, I turned on the bike and hit the start switch. Nothing, this time for about 30 secs. Headlight dimmed each time I tried to start, but no sound, nothing at all. After about 30 secs, I think I heard a faint *tick* sound somewhere and the engine turns over and off I go after a warm up period.

On the motorway, the bike suddenly starts losing power and I pulled over. Engine is dead but right after I stop, I could start it again and continued on to work without a hitch.

Is it the cold? Dirty or deteriorated air filter? Fuel filter clogged?

Sparks and engine oil/filter are new (few months old), battery always seemed fine, and the bike always started without hesitation before.

I'll have George (MC Doctor) look at it but a bit cash-strapped at the moment so would like some ideas of what may be wrong before calling him.

[bogan]

I'd be looking for loom gremlins, particularly in the RHS switchgear, as that has the kill and starter buttons right? so if something was going wrong, it could potentially make it stop running, or stop starting, but leave the headlights going fine.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You haven't just got a loose/bad batt connection have ya?

[bogan]

You haven't just got a loose/bad batt connection have ya?

If the headlights are unaffected I wouldn't think so...

[Tigadee]

I'd be looking for loom gremlins, particularly in the RHS switchgear, as that has the kill and starter buttons right? so if something was going wrong, it could potentially make it stop running, or stop starting, but leave the headlights going fine.

Will do, thanks for helping me start somewhere...


You haven't just got a loose/bad batt connection have ya?

Crap if I know! Bloody battery's buried down somewhere I can't even see it after taking the seat off...

Yeah I know, time to look at the manual...:baby:

[Crasherfromwayback]

If the headlights are unaffected I wouldn't think so...

I hear ya...but stranger things have happened. I always start with this...K.I.S.S. A mate of mine's Diesel ute was having ex the problem the other week. Lights worked a treat..just no starter motor. Lose neg terminal.

[dogsnbikes]

This sounds similar to what Monies VFR was doing...

We traced it too a loose battery terminal,The bike has a motobatt battery and it was loose where the terminal bolts to the battery,not where the lead is connected to the terminal...so cheak your battery.

But would still look into the switch blocks too as it could be as simple as having dirty/rusty conections,before pulling them apart get some CRC or similar electrical spray and spray into the switchblocks till they are well saturated and don't be shy.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Crap if I know! Bloody battery's buried down somewhere I can't even see it after taking the seat off...

Yeah I know, time to look at the manual...:baby:

Maybe a lil plastic tool tray to remove first?

[buggerit]

It started three weeks ago on a ride in the country and the bike hiccupped twice. That means cut out for a second and then continued like normal then cut out again 10 secs later for another sec, then resumed working. Nothing else happened for another week when I was traveling home on the motorway when the bike again hiccuped once.

Last night, I tried for 10 secs to start the bike and it wouldn't. Lights strong and bright, kill switch off, bike in neutral... After 10 -12 secs, engine turned over.

This morning, I turned on the bike and hit the start switch. Nothing, this time for about 30 secs. Headlight dimmed each time I tried to start, but no sound, nothing at all. After about 30 secs, I think I heard a faint *tick* sound somewhere and the engine turns over and off I go after a warm up period.

On the motorway, the bike suddenly starts losing power and I pulled over. Engine is dead but right after I stop, I could start it again and continued on to work without a hitch.

Is it the cold? Dirty or deteriorated air filter? Fuel filter clogged?

Sparks and engine oil/filter are new (few months old), battery always seemed fine, and the bike always started without hesitation before.

I'll have George (MC Doctor) look at it but a bit cash-strapped at the moment so would like some ideas of what may be wrong before calling him.

I agree with Crasher,as you say your headlight was dimming when you were attempting to start bike, check your battery terminals and also where battery earth cable attaches to chassis/engine.

[Tigadee]

Will do, gentlemen! Thanks for the pointers and I'll let you know what I find...

[Akzle]

'at'll learn ya for buying a yammy.

[caseye]

Bloody down countriers! Yakzel, you leave off da Yammies OK.
Tig , come over for a ride lets put her on the table and give her the once over, no worries.

[Mom]

I'll have George (MC Doctor) look at it but a bit cash-strapped at the moment so would like some ideas of what may be wrong before calling him.

Ahhhhhhhh, the Radian cough. I know it very well :yes: Give me a mo, and I will find the threads I have on here about the cough and how to fix it :D

If I can anyone can :yes:

Hint, it is dirty fuel :yes:

[Tigadee]

Tig , come over for a ride lets put her on the table and give her the once over, no worries.

Table... :laugh: Wait till everyone hears what this table is!

Thanks for the offer, may just do that...

[Mom]

Once the Blue Lovely, she became the Blue Bitch :rofl:

Wonderful bikes, but I will guarantee this is your problem :yes:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/110215-Mom-gives-the-Blue-Lovely-a-Blow-Job?highlight=blue+lovely

[caseye]

Listen to mom! she knows these things! Go on, ride over, table is currently empty, I will move out the car and position it so you can ride straight up.
Bring an in line fuel filter, te he he.

[nzspokes]

My money is on the battery.

Could Tigadees bike be Moms old one?

[Mom]

Listen to mom! she knows these things! Go on, ride over, table is currently empty, I will move out the car and position it so you can ride straight up.
Bring an in line fuel filter, te he he.

Good luck with a filter, mine just kept on playing up :yes: there is an outside chance it is drawing a bit of air too, if the inlet rubbers are perished :yes: Want me to come down and have a look :laugh:

[Mom]

My money is on the battery.

Could Tigadees bike be Moms old one?

No, mine was sold to a bloke in Matamata, still waiting for payment for it actually. Wonder if we should persue it again?

[neels]

If it won't even turn over, then it sounds lectric.

Does it have a sidestand switch? Or anything else external on the bike that goes to that stupid diode block that yamaha love putting on their bikes.

Could be something as simple as a dirty fuse holder too.......

[caseye]

Good luck with a filter, mine just kept on playing up :yes: there is an outside chance it is drawing a bit of air too, if the inlet rubbers are perished :yes: Want me to come down and have a look :laugh:

That'd be bloody brilliant. K so we're looking for perishers an airy fairy leakers, any other good ideas there mom?

[nzspokes]

Will do, thanks for helping me start somewhere...



Crap if I know! Bloody battery's buried down somewhere I can't even see it after taking the seat off...

Yeah I know, time to look at the manual...:baby:

What time you knocking off tomorrow? Having a bit of a bike fix night at work, working on making a SV1000 faster. We will probably start about 5ish.

[Tigadee]

What time you knocking off tomorrow? Having a bit of a bike fix night at work, working on making a SV1000 faster. We will probably start about 5ish.

Hard to say, we're installing a new server from 5pm, so maybe be at least a couple hours. I don't have to be there the whole time, so maybe can drop by. Where?


Could Tigadees bike be Moms old one?

Nah, mine's more green than blue, has a black engine block, chrome speedo, straight clutch lever and has a strap over the middle of the seat.


If it won't even turn over, then it sounds lectric.

When I started it up this evening to go home, it started fine and no probs. No hiccups, nothing.


Does it have a sidestand switch? Or anything else external on the bike that goes to that stupid diode block that yamaha love putting on their bikes.

Yes, it does. Will have to look... Have to say, the fuses are rather old fashioned. Even my old '88 GSX750ES had modern fuses.


Could be something as simple as a dirty fuse holder too.......

Checked that, all clean. :yes:

[blackdog]

You haven't just got a loose/bad batt connection have ya?

My first thought. Battery is rooted or terminals not making contact.

[skippa1]

You haven't just got a loose/bad batt connection have ya?

This^^^^^
shit connections or battery can give all sorts of weird symptoms like you are talking about....

[Tigadee]

Ahhhhhhhh, the Radian cough. I know it very well. Give me a mo, and I will find the threads I have on here about the cough and how to fix it

Hint, it is dirty fuel

Thanks Mom. Think it may not be that though... I run 98 through it most of the time, and the tank looks very clean. BUT may be dirty/clogged fuel filter, as it's not been changed since i bought the bike and no idea of its condition.

Only Radian cough I know of was when I ran out of fuel! :laugh: :facepalm:

[Tigadee]

I agree with Crasher,as you say your headlight was dimming when you were attempting to start bike, check your battery terminals and also where battery earth cable attaches to chassis/engine.


My money is on the battery.


My first thought. Battery is rooted or terminals not making contact.


This^^^^^
shit connections or battery can give all sorts of weird symptoms like you are talking about....

Cheers. Will have a look...

[nzspokes]

At work, flick me a text tomorrow. We have some electrical gear and can test for battery etc.

[Tigadee]

Well, battery's fine. Hooked it up to the battery charger and after a few seconds, it said the battery was fully charged. Both terminals are tightly secured. Tank's looking squeaky clean.

Managed to lose a screw for one of the side covers... :facepalm: Will have to have a look for the fuel filter tomorrow when there's better light.

[ducatilover]

Starter solenoid and connections to it

[nzspokes]

Well, battery's fine. Hooked it up to the battery charger and after a few seconds, it said the battery was fully charged. Both terminals are tightly secured. Tank's looking squeaky clean.

Managed to lose a screw for one of the side covers... :facepalm: Will have to have a look for the fuel filter tomorrow when there's better light.

Did you check the battery earth to the frame? Did you check battery when turning the motor over?

[Mom]

Thanks Mom. Think it may not be that though... I run 98 through it most of the time, and the tank looks very clean. BUT may be dirty/clogged fuel filter, as it's not been changed since i bought the bike and no idea of its condition.

Only Radian cough I know of was when I ran out of fuel! :laugh: :facepalm:

Well, I will wait and watch. Honestly, I tried everything when my BB was playing up. The tank also looked fine, but if you have a look at how it sits when on the side stand, you will see a low point that is susceptible to rusting, and it does not take much rust in fuel to start making engines not run properly/hard to start. Good luck with it, I got heartily sick to death of mine :D

[MSTRS]

Coughing, surging, dying....all symptoms of dirty fuel.
But the man says the starter won't turn the engine over. Or does he? Have to be clear about these things to 'diagnose' over the 'puter.

[Drew]

The kill switch wires are broken at the headstock I'll bet.

Happened to me a couple times on various bikes. Easy fix, have fun.

[Tigadee]

Did you check the battery earth to the frame? Did you check battery when turning the motor over?

No... :Oops:


Starter solenoid and connections to it

Hmmmmm... OK. No idea how to check that but will try. Thanks DL.


The tank also looked fine, but if you have a look at how it sits when on the side stand, you will see a low point that is susceptible to rusting, and it does not take much rust in fuel to start making engines not run properly/hard to start.

I hope not that's not the case. Thanks for the pointer though.


The kill switch wires are broken at the headstock I'll bet.
Happened to me a couple times on various bikes. Easy fix, have fun.

OK< will check it out... Thanks.


But the man says the starter won't turn the engine over. Or does he? Have to be clear about these things to 'diagnose' over the 'puter.

Well, basically nothing happens when you try to start. Then after a few attempts, it will start like normal. No hesitation.

This morning, all perfect. No trouble starting, no huccups... :calm: Just start, and ride away!
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[MSTRS]

Well, basically nothing happens when you try to start. Then after a few attempts, it will start like normal. No hesitation.



When people say 'nothing happens' they may not mean what we think...

So - engine turns over, but doesn't start?
Or...
Engine does not even turn over?

[Tigadee]

When people say 'nothing happens' they may not mean what we think...

So - engine turns over, but doesn't start?
Or...
Engine does not even turn over?

As in you-can-hear-a-pin-drop "nothing happens"... No sputtering, coughing, shuddering, no turning over, nothing but silence. Bike is in neutral, kill switch is off and side stand is down. Headlight just dims, and I'll stop trying to start the bike.

After half a minute and a few more attempts, suddenly the bike comes to life and starts like normal, turns over and idles smoothly and strong, rides like normal and nothing like it happens again for a while. :scratch:

Could be the planetary alignment, or a passing radioactive meteorite, or an overloading transmission tower nearby, who knows. It's bizarre! :pinch:

[bogan]

As in you-can-hear-a-pin-drop "nothing happens"... No sputtering, coughing, shuddering, no turning over, nothing but silence. Bike is in neutral, kill switch is off and side stand is down. Headlight just dims, and I'll stop trying to start the bike.

After half a minute and a few more attempts, suddenly the bike comes to life and starts like normal, turns over and idles smoothly and strong, rides like normal and nothing like it happens again for a while. :scratch:

Could be the planetary alignment, or a passing radioactive meteorite, or an overloading transmission tower nearby, who knows. It's bizarre! :pinch:

Were it me, I compile a list of all the electrical or potentially electric related problems occurring, get the wiring diagram out, and have a big night in :bleh: Chances are it will narrow down the search for what sounds like a wiring problem.

[MSTRS]

As in you-can-hear-a-pin-drop "nothing happens"... No sputtering, coughing, shuddering, no turning over, nothing but silence. Bike is in neutral, kill switch is off and side stand is down. Headlight just dims, and I'll stop trying to start the bike.

After half a minute and a few more attempts, suddenly the bike comes to life and starts like normal, turns over and idles smoothly and strong, rides like normal and nothing like it happens again for a while. :scratch:

Could be the planetary alignment, or a passing radioactive meteorite, or an overloading transmission tower nearby, who knows. It's bizarre! :pinch:

My money is on a faulty earth.
With a side bet on the RHS switchblock...

[Tigadee]

Chances are it will narrow down the search for what sounds like a wiring problem.


My money is on a faulty earth.
With a side bet on the RHS switchblock...

It's looking that way, aye?

[Tigadee]

:angry2: Dammit, it seems to be getting worse!

Tonight it took a minute of trying before it would finally start. Again it was the same: Turn on like normal, headlight strong and steady, in neutral gear, kill switch off, side stand up and press start button and nothing happens... No sound, no engine turning over, nothing. Headlight dims each time I press the start button.

After a minute, the bike starts like normal and off I go. On the motorway, three times it just seemed to lose power for one second and then resumes running, all at random times. At least I made it home! :sweatdrop

[Coolz]

Another place you could look is inside the headlight. There is a lot of vibration there, forks pounding etc, and a lot of wires including the ones from your switchblocks are routed through the headlight.

[Tigadee]

OK, I guess I'll have to do that. [I hate having to rummage through the guts of a bike...:wacko:] But thanks much, Coolz. :yes:

[bogan]

:angry2: Dammit, it seems to be getting worse!

What, did you expect it to fix itself?

Chances are you're going to have to take to it with a voltmeter and wiring diagrams, hoping for the best is more likely to leave you stranded on the roadside than the problem disappearing.

[nzspokes]

:angry2: Dammit, it seems to be getting worse!

Tonight it took a minute of trying before it would finally start. Again it was the same: Turn on like normal, headlight strong and steady, in neutral gear, kill switch off, side stand up and press start button and nothing happens... No sound, no engine turning over, nothing. Headlight dims each time I press the start button.

After a minute, the bike starts like normal and off I go. On the motorway, three times it just seemed to lose power for one second and then resumes running, all at random times. At least I made it home! :sweatdrop

Well stop riding it or you will get stuck. I will see if I can find some time and pop over. Or do you think it could make it here? Easier here as ive got my tools. Top box wont hold everything.

[Tigadee]

Thanks, I can pop by.

This morning, gave the girl a wash and shine. :love: Started her up and no issues, first time it turned over and purred like a pussy... cat, that is.

Subsequent re-starts again with no problems. :scratch: Maybe the old gal doeesn't like cold?


What, did you expect it to fix itself?
Chances are you're going to have to take to it with a voltmeter and wiring diagrams, hoping for the best is more likely to leave you stranded on the roadside than the problem disappearing.

I know, I know...:o

[unstuck]

Sometimes a wire that has been soldered into place like switches and stuff can be real hard to find, a magnifying glass helps here. I have had problems in the past with stuff like that, could not see anything by eye, but with the glass it stood out straight away. Just my 2p,s worth.:Punk::Punk:

[Tigadee]

Sometimes a wire that has been soldered into place like switches and stuff can be real hard to find, a magnifying glass helps here. I have had problems in the past with stuff like that, could not see anything by eye, but with the glass it stood out straight away. Just my 2p,s worth.

Aye, what did you find? A wire 'unstuck'? :blip:

[unstuck]

Aye, what did you find? A wire 'unstuck'? :blip:

:2thumbsup:clap::clap:

[nzspokes]

So I had a look at the mighty Yammy. Both battery terminals had some corrosion so we cleaned that up along with the main earth to the motor. Found a terminal on the positive side that went no where so that got binned. She started fine and turned over faster than before. Checked static volts and running and it was showing 13v static and just under 14v at 4k rpm. Gave the kill switch a quick look and a bit of a clean.

I think we are dealing with 2 faults at once. The bike stutters at motorway speed then comes back. The whole time we were working on it the tank was whistling. So to me it sounded like a clogged tank breather. The tank breathes through the cap so we pulled it apart. Inside is a little diaphragm that I guess is to stop overflows of fuel in the sun. It seemed brittle so as a test we pulled it out. The next motorway trip will tell.

Time will tell if I got it right thus far.

[Tigadee]

Well, I made it home, didn't I? :laugh:

Yeah, that sound was like a owl, "Whoooo... whoooo". I didn't have a name for the Yammy before, but not I shall call it "Archimedes" [Merlin's owl in Sword in the Stone]...

Thanks so much, mate! No sounds from the bike now and a slight hesitation when I twist the wrist is gone now too.

Beer on me this SASS, aye Spokes?

[unstuck]

Well, I made it home, didn't I? :laugh:

Yeah, that sound was like a owl, "Whoooo... whoooo". I didn't have a name for the Yammy before, but not I shall call it "Archimedes" [Merlin's owl in Sword in the Stone]...

Thanks so much, mate! No sounds from the bike now and a slight hesitation when I twist the wrist is gone now too.

Beer on me this SASS, aye Spokes?

Beer, you tight bastard, get the man a whiskey or 4.:Punk::Punk:

[Tigadee]

Beer, you tight bastard, get the man a whiskey or 4.

Wait till payday then - I'll be tighter than my abs and buns of blubber! :Punk:

And thanks for showing me what and where and how, Spokes... Teach a man to fish and all that! :niceone:

[nzspokes]

Wait till payday then - I'll be tighter than my abs and buns of blubber! :Punk:

And thanks for showing me what and where and how, Spokes... Teach a man to fish and all that! :niceone:

By the way, dont super fill the tank and leave the bike in the sun. No stutters on the way home?

[Tigadee]

By the way, dont super fill the tank and leave the bike in the sun.

I have to admit I am guilty of super filling the tank because it's such a small one... :o

I do cover it when I park it outside at work. Is that good or is a cover useless where sun heating up petrol in the tank is concerned?


No stutters on the way home?

None whatsoever. A good sign but the next few days will be the best indicator if the issue has been resolved [esp. if in addition there is no more non-starting problem too].

[Tigadee]

Oh dear, it lost power 3 times on the motorway this morning, again just for half a second each time.

Then when stopped at a red light, it died. I had to put it into neutral and then it started again. :( Did it again a second time at a red light...

[bogan]

Oh dear, it lost power 3 times on the motorway this morning, again just for half a second each time.

Then when stopped at a red light, it died. I had to put it into neutral and then it started again. :( Did it again a second time at a red light...

fault list, wiring diagram, no more riding :spanking:

[Drew]

Oh dear, it lost power 3 times on the motorway this morning, again just for half a second each time.

Then when stopped at a red light, it died. I had to put it into neutral and then it started again. :( Did it again a second time at a red light...

It's electrical man. Stop riding it and fix it, before it stops you from riding when you're away from the shed.

[Tigadee]

Yessirs... Right, park it up I will then.

Now where's that wiring diagram i have somewhere...?

[Drew]

Yessirs... Right, park it up I will then.

Now where's that wiring diagram i have somewhere...?A wiring diagram will save some time.

Tell me, do the ignition lights go out when it's fucking around? Or the head light for that matter?

If not, I would start by looking at the kill switch circuit. If they do blink, look at the ignition switch circuit.

[Tigadee]

Tell me, do the ignition lights go out when it's fucking around? Or the head light for that matter?

If not, I would start by looking at the kill switch circuit. If they do blink, look at the ignition switch circuit.

No, the lights stay steady when it cuts out or decides randomly not to start. (When I do try to start though, the lights do dim but not blink.)

OK, I'll take a close look at the kill switch...

Does it make a difference if I said my front brake light is not working? :baby: Rear still works fine...

[unstuck]

No, the lights stay steady when it cuts out or decides randomly not to start. (When I do try to start though, the lights do dim but not blink.)

OK, I'll take a close look at the kill switch...

Does it make a difference if I said my front brake light is not working? :baby: Rear still works fine...

You have brake lights on the front, WTF.:shifty::Punk:

[bogan]

No, the lights stay steady when it cuts out or decides randomly not to start. (When I do try to start though, the lights do dim but not blink.)

OK, I'll take a close look at the kill switch...

Does it make a difference if I said my front brake light is not working? :baby: Rear still works fine...

Depends on what the wiring diagram looks like, some use common ground for brake light switches, others use isolated ground or switched positive or all manner of things.

[Tigadee]

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I had a look at the wiring diagram and I have no clue what I'm looking at... :facepalm:


You have brake lights on the front, WTF.

:pinch: Shush! :bash:

[unstuck]

283865

I had a look at the wiring diagram and I have no clue what I'm looking at... :facepalm:



:pinch: Shush! :bash:

Looks pretty straight forward, you want to be finding the wires for your kill switch circuit and tracing them around, making sure there are no breaks, or soldered wires that are not connecting. A bit of detective work.:sherlock:

[Tigadee]

Looks pretty straight forward, you want to be finding the wires for your kill switch circuit and tracing them around, making sure there are no breaks, or soldered wires that are not connecting. A bit of detective work.

Okay, I'll do my best!

[Theantidote]

A friend of mine who lives in a different state was having problems with his scooter-it would start and run fine in the morning when it was cold but after work when it had been sitting in the sun all day it wouldn't start.

The shop he took it to was a "Harley" shop, they were the only shop he could find that knew what they were doing. (funny side story-the guy that ran the shop didn't want anyone to see him riding a scooter so to get it warmed up he had his helper ride it around the building 30 or 40 times)

Anyway, once they got it warmed up it wouldn't run or start. So he pulled the CDI out and put it in the freezer for 20 or 30 minutes, and when he hooked it back up, started and ran fine. So new CDI and everything works great! The CDI would only work when it was cold. Once it got hot from running or sitting in the sun, it wouldn't work again until it cooled down.


Pete

Had found this and posted it related to my dramas but might be worth having a think about...i think my probs maybe electricamal also...
Good luck man...those wiring diagrams are about as str8 4rd as gobble-d-gook...to me anyhows...

[nzspokes]

Have you had trouble starting again after we cleaned the battery terminals? If yes then its a deeper electrical issue. We did clean the main earth to the motor.

If no then I still suspect fuel delivery issue. Would be time to check the petcock valve to see if its gummed up.

[Drew]

It's uncommon for a cdi to have an intermittent fault. Particularly a heat related one. Coils will often fuck out when they get hot only.

But they will shut it down and stay that way till they cool down.

A fault as described is hard to nail down. But not impossible. Chuck a multimeter on the output from the kill switch. (The one that is only live with the ignition and kill switch on). Turn the bars from side to side, and wiggle the loom about. That'll tell you if it's simply a broken wire at the headstock.

Pull the headlight glass out and trace the kill switch wires into there repeat.

Be a bit rough with the wires, they can take it.

[Theantidote]

It's uncommon for a cdi to have an intermittent fault. Particularly a heat related one. Coils will often fuck out when they get hot only.

But they will shut it down and stay that way till they cool down.

A fault as described is hard to nail down. But not impossible. Chuck a multimeter on the output from the kill switch. (The one that is only live with the ignition and kill switch on). Turn the bars from side to side, and wiggle the loom about. That'll tell you if it's simply a broken wire at the headstock.

Pull the headlight glass out and trace the kill switch wires into there repeat.

Be a bit rough with the wires, they can take it.


Me thinks that sounz like really good advice and a great starting point for all yamaha owners like myself...

[nzspokes]

It's uncommon for a cdi to have an intermittent fault. Particularly a heat related one. Coils will often fuck out when they get hot only.

But they will shut it down and stay that way till they cool down.

A fault as described is hard to nail down. But not impossible. Chuck a multimeter on the output from the kill switch. (The one that is only live with the ignition and kill switch on). Turn the bars from side to side, and wiggle the loom about. That'll tell you if it's simply a broken wire at the headstock.

Pull the headlight glass out and trace the kill switch wires into there repeat.

Be a bit rough with the wires, they can take it.

One part of the fault stands out for me which is he rode the bike here and back with no faults. But as soon as its on the motorway it cuts out. Its further to my place than it is to the motorway from his house. I think the key point here is the higher speed and fuel use.

I could be wrong but im sticking with it. I would like to run a line off the tank and see how long it takes to fill a cup of petrol.

Bad starting could well have been the rusty battery connections. 2 faults at once.

[unstuck]

Sounds more like electrical to me than fuel, but you have had the benefit of actually seeing it first hand. Have you got the motorcycle repair course on your computer tiger??

http://www.dansmc.com/mc_repaircourse.htm

[bogan]

It's uncommon for a cdi to have an intermittent fault. Particularly a heat related one. Coils will often fuck out when they get hot only.

But they will shut it down and stay that way till they cool down.

A fault as described is hard to nail down. But not impossible. Chuck a multimeter on the output from the kill switch. (The one that is only live with the ignition and kill switch on). Turn the bars from side to side, and wiggle the loom about. That'll tell you if it's simply a broken wire at the headstock.

Pull the headlight glass out and trace the kill switch wires into there repeat.

Be a bit rough with the wires, they can take it.

Kill switch only wouldn't cause the lights to dim when he tries to start it though.

There is a small chance that its got a bung connector/wire, restricting current so the fuses don't blow, and an intermittent short somewhere (which would be what caused the connector to be bung). So sometimes it can only drive so much electrical load (headlights) that when you try and do something else (start it) the ability to supply power to the load is exceeded and the lights dim.

I'd be trying to get it to do the lights dimming on startup, then put a multimeter on things to figure out why it isn't turning over. Probably start with the solenoid as its easy to expose.

[Tigadee]

Well, this evening I had to ride it home. I couldn't start it again, it just sat there as if the kill switch was on. I then tried pressing and releasing the starter button repeatedly and it turned over. Smooth ride all the way home, no hiccups.

Just took apart the starter block. Wires and contacts look really good, especially for this age. Gave a squirt of CRC and put it all back together. Started fine, no hesitation. :scratch:

I'll risk it and take it to work tomorrow and see if the starter may have been the main issue... *pray*

[nzspokes]

Kill switch only wouldn't cause the lights to dim when he tries to start it though.

There is a small chance that its got a bung connector/wire, restricting current so the fuses don't blow, and an intermittent short somewhere (which would be what caused the connector to be bung). So sometimes it can only drive so much electrical load (headlights) that when you try and do something else (start it) the ability to supply power to the load is exceeded and the lights dim.

I'd be trying to get it to do the lights dimming on startup, then put a multimeter on things to figure out why it isn't turning over. Probably start with the solenoid as its easy to expose.

The headlight turns off on start up on it.

[bogan]

Well, this evening I had to ride it home. I couldn't start it again, it just sat there as if the kill switch was on. I then tried pressing and releasing the starter button repeatedly and it turned over. Smooth ride all the way home, no hiccups.

Just took apart the starter block. Wires and contacts look really good, especially for this age. Gave a squirt of CRC and put it all back together. Started fine, no hesitation. :scratch:

I'll risk it and take it to work tomorrow and see if the starter may have been the main issue... *pray*

So the lights were dimming when you tried to start it that time or not?

[Drew]

One thing at a time is the only way to find electrical faults I find.

So it's make a list time for the OP I guess.

Add to it, remove the two main positive leads from the solonoid, and ensure there is good contact. Bit of a sand and some contact cleaner on there. Just had to chase that wee gem down on my CBR400 powered ride on mower.

[nzspokes]

Well, this evening I had to ride it home. I couldn't start it again, it just sat there as if the kill switch was on. I then tried pressing and releasing the starter button repeatedly and it turned over. Smooth ride all the way home, no hiccups.

Just took apart the starter block. Wires and contacts look really good, especially for this age. Gave a squirt of CRC and put it all back together. Started fine, no hesitation. :scratch:

I'll risk it and take it to work tomorrow and see if the starter may have been the main issue... *pray*

There goes my theory. Bad wire or faulty solenoid?

[Drew]

So the lights were dimming when you tried to start it that time or not?I took what he said to mean that the ignition/warning lights dimmed when he thumbed the starter.

[nzspokes]

If it starts, take it to a dealer and trade it in. <_<

[bogan]

I took what he said to mean that the ignition/warning lights dimmed when he thumbed the starter.

Just had a look at the diagram, it appears it has the lights wired in to the starter switch to turn off.

Tigadee by 'Dim' did you perhaps mean turn off completely?

[nzspokes]

Just had a look at the diagram, it appears it has the lights wired in to the starter switch to turn off.

Tigadee by 'Dim' did you perhaps mean turn off completely?

Post #75, ive seen the bike.

[bogan]

Post #75, ive seen the bike.

Ah yup, missed that with the page change.

Electrically there is a big difference between dim and off Tigadee :spanking:

[Tigadee]

I'm gonna check the air filter, and see if I can locate the petcock...


There goes my theory. Bad wire or faulty solenoid?

What does the solenoid do? For starting or for running?


...my CBR400 powered ride on mower.

:blink: Wut? Really?


Tigadee by 'Dim' did you perhaps mean turn off completely?

As in the headlight dims, not goes off completely. Like brown out, not black out? :laugh:

[Drew]

I'm gonna check the air filter, and see if I can locate the petcock...What the hell is a petcock?




What does the solenoid do? For starting or for running?The solonoid is a big contactor switch, operated by a low current switch. Big cable to the starter motor comes from it.

Also usually has a fuse on it, and EVERYTHING else runs from that.




:blink: Wut? Really?Yeah bro, doesn't everyone have a stupid fast ride on mower?




As in the headlight dims, not goes off completely. Like brown out, not black out? :laugh:Wierd....I've got nothing.

[nzspokes]

What the hell is a petcock?



Fuel tap for the youngsters.

[bogan]

As in the headlight dims, not goes off completely. Like brown out, not black out? :laugh:


The headlight turns off on start up on it.

Well which is it? it's hard enough to help out over the internet without being given conflicting/incorrect symptoms...

[Drew]

Fuel tap for the youngsters.

Oh yeah. Thought it sounded familiar.
Brain fart.

[nzspokes]

Sell it and buy this, http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/159137-Well-cared-for-GSX750F

[Theantidote]

Sell it and buy this, http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/159137-Well-cared-for-GSX750F

that's a noice wee scoot...and not a bad price...plus the bonus of a ride back from wellywood...:yes:

[Tigadee]

Well which is it? it's hard enough to help out over the internet without being given conflicting/incorrect symptoms...

Wot I said...

Press start button, lights dim [but not turn off, i.e. brown out not black out], engine doesn't turn over or try to at all, just silence.

Nek minute, she starts up like normal and rides off. Sometimes she'll hiccup like this morning, other times not at all and the ride is trouble-free like this evening.:weird:

Checked air filter [K&N] and it's clean. Tried looking for the fuel filter but can't find it [if there is one]. Fuses are good.

My brake/tail light for the front brakes doesn't come on. Managed to pull out the tail light/brake bulb [3-in-1 front & rear brake and running light].
None of the filaments look broken? :scratch:

[bogan]

Wot I said...

Press start button, lights dim [but not turn off, i.e. brown out not black out], engine doesn't turn over or try to at all, just silence.

Nek minute, she starts up like normal and rides off. Sometimes she'll hiccup, other times not at all and the ride is trouble-free.

Checked air filter [K&N] and it's clean. Tried looking for the fuel filter but can't find it [if there is one]. Fuses are good.

My brake/tail light for the front brakes doesn't come on. Managed to pull out the tail light/brake bulb [3-in-1 front & rear brake and running light].
None of the filaments look broken? :scratch:

If your headlight is still getting power when the starter is pressed, you've got a problem with the switch, or a short in the wiring. The brake light switch is isolated from the ignition stuff, chances are its just a worn out microswitch. Unplug it and short the connections out to check if that is the case.

[nzspokes]

Tried looking for the fuel filter but can't find it [if there is one].

Its in the fuel tap. Turn it to off and take the hose off. Run hose into a cup and see how fast it fills up.

[buggerit]

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I had a look at the wiring diagram and I have no clue what I'm looking at... :facepalm:



:pinch: Shush! :bash:

I see the loom is earthed to the chassis so you need to check this (different to where the battery is earthed to chassis):yes:

[Maha]

Sell it and buy this, http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/159137-Well-cared-for-GSX750F

I bought the Radian for Anne for $1000..had no end of trouble with it after a short while, first was the same issue Tig seems be having which ended up being a fuel issue. Anne sorted that. Then came the clutch saga, that had to be overhauled. Anne sorted it with big help from Laava. Then the Tank had to be rust proofed...it went on and on. The bike was just not worth the extra money thrown at it. So I sold it to guy down the line, when I say sold, I mean gave it to him. He never paid me for it and kept moving house...still, the bike was no longer our problem...win win.

I think it was, because of the fuel supply issue, that we ended up doing the tank.

Thread here--->> http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/110215-Mom-gives-the-Blue-Lovely-a-Blow-Job

[neels]

Looking at your wiring diagram (which is surprisingly similar to the one for the XJ600 I used to own ;) ) .....

Front and rear brake light switches are connected in parallel, if the back one works and the front doesn't it's either a wiring fault or the silly little switch on the front brake lever is faulty, had that one on several bikes.

The starting circuit is via the diode block, doesn't usually give any trouble but has a bunch of stuff that goes to/through it, there is a combination of neutral/clutch/sidestand switch which allows or doesn't allow the bike to start.

Do you have a centrestand on the bike, if you do you should be able to safely check some stuff without launching yourself through the garage wall

Start with the sidestand switch (if it hasn't already been removed), put bike in gear with sidestand up and see if the bike behaves the same as when it fails to start, do the same with the clutch switch to see if that's working as advertised. There is also a connection from the sidestand relay to the ignitor which kills the engine if the stand is put down when it shouldn't be. .

Electrical faults are such fun...

[Murray]

Wot I said...

Press start button, lights dim [but not turn off, i.e. brown out not black out], engine doesn't turn over or try to at all, just silence.

Nek minute, she starts up like normal and rides off. Sometimes she'll hiccup like this morning, other times not at all and the ride is trouble-free like this evening.:weird:

Checked air filter [K&N] and it's clean. Tried looking for the fuel filter but can't find it [if there is one]. Fuses are good.

My brake/tail light for the front brakes doesn't come on. Managed to pull out the tail light/brake bulb [3-in-1 front & rear brake and running light].
None of the filaments look broken? :scratch:

So any update????

[unstuck]

Yeah, come on Tiger WTF is going on, waiting with baited breath.

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[bogan]

Went for another ride without fixing it and is still pushing it home? :dodge:

[caseye]

I have it on good authority that George is going around to see him this week!
Bout bloody time there Tig.

[nzspokes]

Should we run a sweep on what it is?

Im going for blocked fuel tap/tank.

[unstuck]

Im gonna say electrical.:Punk:

[bogan]

Should we run a sweep on what it is?

Im going for blocked fuel tap/tank.

Post #2, cos changing my bet would be cheating :bleh:

[Drew]

My money is on the kill switch wiring. I've had to fix it on an XV, so it's what I know.

[Mom]

Should we run a sweep on what it is?

Im going for blocked fuel tap/tank.


Im gonna say electrical.:Punk:


Post #2, cos changing my bet would be cheating
I'd be looking for loom gremlins, particularly in the RHS switchgear, as that has the kill and starter buttons right? so if something was going wrong, it could potentially make it stop running, or stop starting, but leave the headlights going fine. :bleh:


My money is on the kill switch wiring. I've had to fix it on an XV, so it's what I know.

Having had one of these wonderful bikes, and experiencing all its little quirks, I am going to say a combination of all of the above. My poxy Blue Bitch refused to start on me too from time to time. It sounded electrical, but then all was fine and she started first time. New battery and all connections checked.

When I dismantled the fuel tap all was clear, the dirt was finest rust particles. In fact the entire inside of everything was a pale shade of orange on inspection. Varnishing of the surfaces of cases etc. I am going dirty fuel, old bike, perished inlet manifolds, old battery/poor connections through out.

Interesting that the BB came right after fixing the tank.

I wonder if her new owner would be good enough to come on here and let us know how she is now? Doubt it though.

[nzspokes]

Im gonna say electrical.:Punk:

Thats a little broad dont you think? I think you have to come up with a specific circuit.

[unstuck]

Im with bogan and drew and think it is in the kill switch curcuit, to be specific.Sounds to me like something that is not quite broken completely, but will be hard to see. I would of probably had the loom out by now and checked all connectors and switch blocks.:yes:

[Coldrider]

Haven't read all the posts this week, have you tried swapping the battery, battery posts or plates can be opening up under load, happened to me before.

[Maha]

I think you have to come up with a specific circuit.

Ruapuna? :corn:

[Drew]

Ruapuna? :corn:My absolute favourite. Be quite...interesting on an XV.

[Murray]

So any update????


Yeah, come on Tiger WTF is going on, waiting with baited breath.


Went for another ride without fixing it and is still pushing it home? :dodge:


I have it on good authority that George is going around to see him this week!
Bout bloody time there Tig.

So its still being pushed home??????

[Tigadee]

Pushed home? No. Sitting at home? Yes.

:facepalm: Fucked if I can figure out what's wrong... I'm getting George to come round and have a root through.

Will let you gamblers :laugh: know what's the deal with the bike after he's come by.

:angry2: Next bloody bike's gonna be ten years old or less!!

[Theantidote]

Pushed home? No. Sitting at home? Yes.

:facepalm: Fucked if I can figure out what's wrong... I'm getting George to come round and have a root through.

Will let you gamblers :laugh: know what's the deal with the bike after he's come by.

:angry2: Next bloody bike's gonna be ten years old or less!!

good luck tigs...nothing worse than technology letting u down big time for no apparent reason...

[Mom]

good luck tigs...nothing worse than technology letting u down big time for no apparent reason...

The trusty Radian is not empowered by technology. It is dis-empowered by age. Age being the reason for the issues :brick:

[craisin]

Is the fuel tap vacuum operated ? tired motor poor vacuum lots of rust and electrical problems trifecta

[nzspokes]

Side stand fluid must be low.

[craisin]

I was given a 125 1 stroke Yamaha it didnt do hot starts
So moved the coil from the hard to access location and had it hanging on a piece wire so if it didnt start would put the coil in a cold glass of water till it cooled off

it had no number plate for less 555 issues

[Tigadee]

Side stand fluid must be low.

It's the damned rainbow powerband, I tells ya!

[Theantidote]

under your seat, just in behind the rainbow powerband is the flux capacitor...i'll bet that's cooked itself...swap that out and i bet you'll be good to go...if it's not that then it probably is the side stand fluid levels...
:scooter:

[Tigadee]

I reckon it's the carbs. Cut down on those and increase protein intake... :yes:

[nzspokes]

Is it fixed yet?

[Theantidote]

Is it fixed yet?

yeah...what's the haps on this project...our money is on electrimical...:scooter:

[unstuck]

Apparently he has it on a low carb diet and is awaiting further tests.:yes:

[Tigadee]

It's looking like it's the side stand switch... I've re-looked at the starter block and it is fine. As best as I can tell, the fuel system is OK too.

George will confirm Monday arvo but my money now is on the side stand switch...

[unstuck]

Can you not just by pass the switch and take her for a ride to see if it is fixed?:scratch:

[nzspokes]

Can you not just by pass the switch and take her for a ride to see if it is fixed?:scratch:

Well thats what I would do......

[Theantidote]

hei tigs...i'm hoping you find peace with the side stand wiring...sounds like an easy and cheap by pass so ggggoooooddddd luck...stay upright and enjoy
:scooter:

[Tigadee]

George has been and gone and done a check over the bike... Conclusion: NOT the side stand switch, not dirty fuel [filter, lines, tank, etc], not solenoid, not CDI, and not starter/kill switch block. :weep: Not likely mechanical like carbs, so it's likely electrical...

At the moment George says it'll take too much time (and thus $) to try and pinpoint exactly where the fault is, so he says just ride it till it gets worse. For today at least, no charge...

[unstuck]

Bummer dude. I would be looking at all the connectors in the harness, like pulling them apart and giving everything a real good wiggle and a push on the blades/or sleeves inside the connectors. Have you had a magnifing glass over all the soldered portions of the switch block? does your bike have a fuel pump? if so, have you tried swapping over the relay?:(

[Tigadee]

Bummer dude. I would be looking at all the connectors in the harness, like pulling them apart and giving everything a real good wiggle and a push on the blades/or sleeves inside the connectors.

Will try that over the next few nights - time is not a commodity I have much of... :(


Have you had a magnifing glass over all the soldered portions of the switch block?

Guess it won't hurt to go over it again. I'll see if I can find one... At least this is one of the easier things to do.


does your bike have a fuel pump? if so, have you tried swapping over the relay?

Uhhhh, not sure... Uhhhh... *dumb look*

[Mom]

Uhhhh, not sure... Uhhhh... *dumb look*

It doesn't.

[Tigadee]

It doesn't.

Thanks, Mom! Can I have $50 and borrow your bike for the weekend, mom? Please?!

[Drew]

I would now unwrap the kill switch wires from the plug, back to the switch. If there's no issue there, do the same with the main harness from inside the headlight, back past the headstock. That will need the tank off.

Those are the likely places to find a broken wire.

[nzspokes]

Trade it. :yes:

[vifferman]

Did George check the R/R? The two I've had fail (VFR750 and VTR1000) both gave similar symptoms to what you described.

[Mom]

Give it to the bloke we sold ours to (no point in selling it to him, he wont pay), he probably needs spares :pinch:

[Theantidote]

mr tigadee i feel your pain...but bikes aren't well known for common sense...it'll be something weird ass but if you just plod through it i'm sure you'll get to the bottom of it....or get it running as best as u can and if u can afford it trade it for a little younger something...
:scooter:

[Tigadee]

Give it to the bloke we sold ours to (no point in selling it to him, he wont pay), he probably needs spares

Hahaha... oh wait, you were kidding, right?:pinch:


mr tigadee i feel your pain...but bikes aren't well known for common sense...it'll be something weird ass but if you just plod through it i'm sure you'll get to the bottom of it....

Thanks.

Well, it sure is looking like it's something unfathomable... As the saying goes, "last place you'll ever think to look" and all that!


or get it running as best as u can and if u can afford it trade it for a little younger something...

Trade it.

Thinking that more and more now! :mellow: Especially now that the pillion (Mrs Tig) has said again how she had enjoyed being on the bike...


Did George check the R/R? The two I've had fail (VFR750 and VTR1000) both gave similar symptoms to what you described.

Thanks but wot is a R/R? I will ask him if he did... :yes:


I would now unwrap the kill switch wires from the plug, back to the switch. If there's no issue there, do the same with the main harness from inside the headlight, back past the headstock. That will need the tank off. Those are the likely places to find a broken wire.

Will have to find some time [and skills] to do that... :sweatdrop

[Maha]

Give it to the bloke we sold ours to (no point in selling it to him, he wont pay), he probably needs spares :pinch:

Pseudo sold I think you'll find...:lol:

[nzspokes]

Did George check the R/R? The two I've had fail (VFR750 and VTR1000) both gave similar symptoms to what you described.

When I looked at it I put a voltmeter on it and it was very constant at at just over 14v. But then I didnt ride it down the motorway.

[buggerit]

The problems you describe are headlight brown out when trying to start and motor stopping intermittently.
Brown out is low current to headlight caused by large current going elseware or poor earth.
You have checked battery terminals and battery cable earth to chassis but wiring loom also has its own earth point to chassis
that needs checking,this earths everything apart from startermotor.
If loom earth ok I would put amps clamp on main battery + cable and see what reading you get when you attempt to start bike.
If amps are high I would suspect a short in elec system,possibly large enough to shut down bike when travelling.
This would rule out a fault within the starter or between starter switch and starter solenoid .
I would then be looking for a short between battery and fuses.
If you have a low amps reading on testing and the earth is ok I would suspect poor connection between battery and fusebox
which could possibly be ignition barrel or plugs etc.
If it was a safety system problem or kill switch problem ,I cannot see how they would cause headlight brownout so I am
inclined to look elseware. Good luck

[Tigadee]

OK, last (hopefully) update. :sweatdrop

As of Monday, there have been no issues. With my limited knowledge, I am guessing it was one of two things (or both):
1. Side stand switch - It's been disconnected and no starting issues since
2. Bad fuel - No hiccups on the motorway since I switched back to 98 fuel. Due to financial constraints last month, I started using 91.

Couldn't be that simple, aye? So could be other things too which may have been sorted along the way, like the starter switch, kill switch, battery contacts, earth, etc. Who could know for sure...:wacko:

Thanks everyone for all your helpful advice and suggestions. Even if never applied, still a lot of useful knowledge to store away. :2thumbsup

[unstuck]

Good to hear, long may it last.:2thumbsup

[Tigadee]

Well, now I have another albeit small problem... :tugger:

Need to find a replacement front brake light switch. That seems to have gone because I replaced the rear light bulb thinking that it had blown or something, but the new one does the same thing (shows rear brake on but not front when braking).

A universal one off TM is about $10, and one from Red Baron is $24.30 (2 days from AUS)... Internet prices range from $16 - 20.

[neels]

As of Monday, there have been no issues. With my limited knowledge, I am guessing it was one of two things (or both):
1. Side stand switch - It's been disconnected and no starting issues since
2. Bad fuel - No hiccups on the motorway since I switched back to 98 fuel. Due to financial constraints last month, I started using 91.

Couldn't be that simple, aye? So could be other things too which may have been sorted along the way, like the starter switch, kill switch, battery contacts, earth, etc. Who could know for sure...:wacko:

Side stand switch can affect starting and running, if you look at the diagram there is a connection to the ignitor as well as that interesting Yamaha diode block that controls starting, so could have been the cause of both problems.

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Well, now I have another albeit small problem... :tugger:

Need to find a replacement front brake light switch. That seems to have gone because I replaced the rear light bulb thinking that it had blown or something, but the new one does the same thing (shows rear brake on but not front when braking).

A universal one off TM is about $10, and one from Red Baron is $24.30 (2 days from AUS)... Internet prices range from $16 - 20.
Had the same thing on my XJ600, I managed to pull the old one apart and smooth out where the plastic was worn inside it stopping it from closing properly, it's had a metal contact that sort of slides down one side of the case that was sticking.

Otherwise I'd go for a genuine Yamaha part rather than try and make a universal one fit.

[buggerit]

When was the last time you topped up your oil?

[Tigadee]

Had the same thing on my XJ600, I managed to pull the old one apart and smooth out where the plastic was worn inside it stopping it from closing properly, it's had a metal contact that sort of slides down one side of the case that was sticking.

Thanks, I'll have a go at it tonight! :niceone:


When was the last time you topped up your oil?

Engine oil? Just three or four months ago (oil & filter change).

[nzspokes]

Thanks, I'll have a go at it tonight! :niceone:



Engine oil? Just three or four months ago (oil & filter change).

Brake light oil is low.

[Coolz]

I bought a front brake light switch for a xj600 from the local Yamaha dealer about 6 months ago. Cost me $20. It wasn't OEM but looked the same and was half the price. I've had no issues with it so far.

[Theantidote]

i'm crossing all my extremities in the hope that you've resolved the issues...and to answer your question...yeah it probably could be just that simple...
the earth point clean up is easy and wont take long...even when u know very little...make sure you have a good fairly new piece of sandpaper handy and clean those contacts, dont forget to clean the contact point on the bike as well as the wires...squirt with wd40/crc lock it back up and it's pretty freaky how much better the bike starts and runs just doing that...
good luck man and enjoy riding in this frikkin cold weather...fek that the fire is tooooo nice to leave
:scooter:

[speights_bud]

Give it to the bloke we sold ours to (no point in selling it to him, he wont pay), he probably needs spares :pinch:

Saw him with it for sale at Taupo track some time ago, I didn't know about the sale situation or else it may have found itself onto my trailer and returned to its owner... He was prepared to take $600 bucks for it...


Tig, have you drained the tank and carb bowls?? Easy to do and time it up when you are low on fuel anyway. Fill up a mower can then go home and flush. After all it is winter and you may have water in the fuel/bottom of the tank. Had this issue with the GPX250 I had years ago, fine in town when the fuel was sloshing around. But when doing Napier/wellington to visit the Mrs it would splutter and die then go again.

doesn't explain the starting issue, but when you mentioned budget/$$ money being an issue and running 91 i thought that you would probably be also running the tank low/ on reserve, water sits below petrol.... and this is the only time i ever had an issue.

The cause in my case was the filler cap spill drain tube rusted partway down, it ran through the tank and out the bottom. Fill the tank up too much and it would end up on the ground, and when it rained it filled up with water....

[Tigadee]

For the front brake light not activating, I've found the culprit now. It's the sticky plunger on the brake light switch, which works now with a bit of WD40. Don't know how long it will last, we'll see...

Thanks Neels!! Choice advice! Yeah, the universal one definitely wouldn't fit... This means I can go get my WOF now and then renew my rego. :wings:


i'm crossing all my extremities in the hope that you've resolved the issues...and to answer your question...yeah it probably could be just that simple...

LOL Here's hoping so!


the earth point clean up is easy and wont take long...even when u know very little...make sure you have a good fairly new piece of sandpaper handy and clean those contacts, dont forget to clean the contact point on the bike as well as the wires...squirt with wd40/crc lock it back up and it's pretty freaky how much better the bike starts and runs just doing that...

Thank you, sir. That will be my winter project then... This is certainly educational!


good luck man and enjoy riding in this frikkin cold weather...fek that the fire is tooooo nice to leave

Was definitely nippy this afternoon! Luckily my Dririder skivvy works amazingly well under my jacket and its winter lining.


doesn't explain the starting issue, but when you mentioned budget/$$ money being an issue and running 91 i thought that you would probably be also running the tank low/ on reserve, water sits below petrol.... and this is the only time i ever had an issue.

Hmmmmmmm, that may indeed be a possibility... The bike's usually garaged at home and under cover at work, but ocassionally would be still caught out in the rain. And yes, I had to run the tank down to almost empty a few times last month...

It does look like the starting issue was the side stand switch acting up [or one of the other items looked at such as the starter switch and kill switch].

[unstuck]

Was definitely nippy this afternoon! Luckily my Dririder skivvy works amazingly well under my jacket and its winter lining.



Ya big jessie, was a lovely day fanging up and down the beach today.:2thumbsup

As for water in the tank, you dont need to keep your bike outside for that to happen.:oi-grr: A steel tank that spends most of its time below half will form condensation and give you some water in the tank.;)

[Tigadee]

As for water in the tank, you dont need to keep your bike outside for that to happen.:oi-grr: A steel tank that spends most of its time below half will form condensation and give you some water in the tank.

Och! That sounds nae good, laddie! Guess the best thing to do is try to keep the tank topped up often, aye? Sucks to have a 8.5 litre + 2.5 l reserve tank... :facepalm:

Will things improve come summer? i.e. will the water dry out of the tank with the hot dry summer weather?

[unstuck]

Afraid not fella.:oi-grr: I usually flush the tank out on the VF once a year just as part of my maintainence plan. Just one little water droplet that finds its way in to the carby can be a real pain in the arse, and usually only comes out again with some compressed air. You will most often only get water through to the carbs when running on reserve or if you run it out of fuel. :2thumbsup

[Mom]

Saw him with it for sale at Taupo track some time ago, I didn't know about the sale situation or else it may have found itself onto my trailer and returned to its owner... He was prepared to take $600 bucks for it...

That's bloody generous of him! Far out what a fucken cheek! Say hi to him from me when you next see him.

[Tigadee]

You will most often only get water through to the carbs when running on reserve or if you run it out of fuel.

:facepalm: Then most likely that has happened because I have run very low and out of petrol on a few ocassions...

[Maha]

Saw him with it for sale at Taupo track some time ago, I didn't know about the sale situation or else it may have found itself onto my trailer and returned to its owner... He was prepared to take $600 bucks for it...




He does own the bike, the change of ownership papers turned up here some time ago. I thought it would be closely followed by the agreed $1000 but....denied :weep:
Lesson learned, his wife did offer $500 a week prior to us taking to their place, they were at a party in West Auckland. I said don't worry about it, just give me to total amount when the bike is delivered.

She was not at home when we too the bike there, but Mike said ''send us your bank account number and we'll put the money in''...gave up waiting ages ago after many texts to them were ignored.

[Drew]

He does own the bike, the change of ownership papers turned up here some time ago. I thought it would be closely followed by the agreed $1000 but....denied :weep:
Lesson learned, his wife did offer $500 a week prior to us taking to their place, they were at a party in West Auckland. I said don't worry about it, just give me to total amount when the bike is delivered.

She was not at home when we too the bike there, but Mike said ''send us your bank account number and we'll put the money in''...gave up waiting ages ago after many texts to them were ignored.

I like the old XVs, can I go do a repo for you and give ya a hundy for it?

[Maha]

I like the old XVs, can I go do a repo for you and give ya a hundy for it?

I would fully agree with that, but thing is, he/they keep moving house, Tigadee could probably use it as a spare parts shitter.
It has a rather new seat on it though.

[Drew]

I would fully agree with that, but thing is, he/they keep moving house, Tigadee could probably use it as a spare parts shitter.
It has a rather new seat on it though.

PM me a name, and the bike rego.

[Tigadee]

Tigadee could probably use it as a spare parts shitter. It has a rather new seat on it though.

Sold! I could do with a new seat... :laugh:

[Mom]

PM me a name, and the bike rego.

No need for a PM. It is Mike and Jenny Cudby who have that POS Radian that I used to ride. They were friends so you kind of allow a bit of leeway around these sort of things. The prime reason we have not persued this is I was working for the company that paid Jenny's wages each week, in fact I processed her timesheets personally, so was in a position of trust and could not use the knowledge I had via my employment to chase down the money. I have quite a bit of integrity around these sort of things.

I don't have a problem with shaming them out though. Might just keep it up for a bit to see if it helps get the money :lol: I am no longer paying her wages each week.

They opened themselves up for it by not paying us for the bike as promised. Completely our problem. Our fault. No need for a repo. They just might like to pay up is all. I am not holding my breath.

Take it as a bit of a warning though anyone reading this, no such thing as friends in business transactions. Cool, cold, binding agreements is the only way to go :yes: Oh, and get cash up front from the Cudby's :yes:

[speights_bud]

I would fully agree with that, but thing is, he/they keep moving house, Tigadee could probably use it as a spare parts shitter.
It has a rather new seat on it though.



I don't believe that they own the bike anymore, i think it was sold the day after i saw it.

Just as a side note, registration of a motor vehicle is not necessarily ownership.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/factsheets/41/buying-and-selling.html

"The party required to be 'registered in respect of a vehicle' is the person or company that is entitled to lawful possession of the vehicle. Note that this is not legal title for the vehicle – it is a record of who is responsible for the vehicle and who is liable for licensing fees."

[Mom]

I don't believe that they own the bike anymore, i think it was sold the day after i saw it.

:rofl: They are super winners then! Good on them.

Oh well, they do say what goes round comes round.

I wish them all the best.

[Theantidote]

have you sorted your wee bike out???
i know your back was shite but how's the bike bro???
hope to see u back out there and upright soon...
:scooter:

[unstuck]

Bump for the TIG. Whats going on, you aint set fire to it have you.:blink:

[nzspokes]

Rode it into a lake and claimed insurance?

[Drew]

Said you rode it into a lake, and have it in the garden shed as parts for the new one?

[Tigadee]

It rode fine after George had a look at it a few weeks ago. Without spending hours trying to track down the fault and the subsequent cost, he suggested I continue riding it until the fault worsens and then he could pinpoint it much quicker.

Then last week it started hiccuping. Mainly on the motorway, just once each trip. It dies and then starts up again and off I go, no fuss.

This past weekend, it ran fine 100%, though it was around town and not on the motorway.

Last night it died on the motorway three times. :weep:

This morning, I started it fine, went down the road and it died and would not start up again at all. Had to push it back uphill to home in the rain. Wet pavement is scary! Thank goodness my boots gripped fine. (If I ever see a poor chap on the road pushing his motorbike, I am going to stop every time and help him/her out. It sucks big time, especially uphill!)

Talked to George and he's suggested I try bypassing the kill switch and start up the bike on the solenoid itself [or something like that], so that's what I'll do when I get home...

So she's dead for now. :cry:

[Drew]

Talked to George and he's suggested I try bypassing the kill switch and start up the bike on the solenoid itself [or something like that], so that's what I'll do when I get home...

So she's dead for now. :cry:That sucks.

Hope it is in the kill switch circuit. It's easy to fix, and it'd make me right all along.;)

[Theantidote]

that really does suck mr tigs...i've pushed my wee scoot home a few times when i first got it...it's just a pain n the arse...
i hope it is the kill switch thingo as they all reckon it's an easy fix and you'll b sweet...
good luck man...:scooter:

[Maha]

It rode fine after George had a look at it a few weeks ago. Without spending hours trying to track down the fault and the subsequent cost, he suggested I continue riding it until the fault worsens and then he could pinpoint it much quicker.

Then last week it started hiccuping. Mainly on the motorway, just once each trip. It dies and then starts up again and off I go, no fuss.

This past weekend, it ran fine 100%, though it was around town and not on the motorway.

Last night it died on the motorway three times. :weep:

This morning, I started it fine, went down the road and it died and would not start up again at all. Had to push it back uphill to home in the rain. Wet pavement is scary! Thank goodness my boots gripped fine. (If I ever see a poor chap on the road pushing his motorbike, I am going to stop every time and help him/her out. It sucks big time, especially uphill!)

Talked to George and he's suggested I try bypassing the kill switch and start up the bike on the solenoid itself [or something like that], so that's what I'll do when I get home...

So she's dead for now. :cry:

One identical sold recently for around $600, probably on the lower side of $600 I would suspect.

[Tigadee]

Thanks, guys. Hate being off two wheels and back on four... Even the wife is saying that she'd want me to get a newer better bike because of traffic these days and reliability/safety. (At least one silver lining here! :2thumbsup )

Maha - $600+ eh? Red Baron told me they'd offer me $1k for trade-in on my bike, so maybe I've got a shot at a better price for mine once it's fixed.

And there's hope too because of this :eek5: :
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-610011649.htm

[Drew]

Thanks, guys. Hate being off two wheels and back on four... Even the wife is saying that she'd want me to get a newer better bike because of traffic these days and reliability/safety. (At least one silver lining here! :2thumbsup )

Maha - $600+ eh? Red Baron told me they'd offer me $1k for trade-in on my bike, so maybe I've got a shot at a better price for mine once it's fixed.

And there's hope too because of this :eek5: :
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-610011649.htmYou sick sick cunt! Stick with the XV, or get something good.

[Maha]

That's a fine example of a Radian for sure, even the owner says ''This bike is in mind condition for the age'' :laugh:

$1000 as is trade in?... I would jump at that.

[Tigadee]

You sick sick cunt! Stick with the XV, or get something good.

What XV? :scratch:


That's a fine example of a Radian for sure, even the owner says ''This bike is in mind condition for the age'' :laugh:

I know, aye? And the low kms? Could have just be round the clock for all you know...


$1000 as is trade in?... I would jump at that.

Me too... Now to find something from RB I can afford and like. There's a nice blue Kawa ZR-7s/ZR750 there that might fit the bill...

[Drew]

What XV? :scratch:




This whole time, I hadn't looked at what bike you ride. Hahahaha. Thought you had an XV for some fucked up reason.

[neels]

Me too... Now to find something from RB I can afford and like. There's a nice blue Kawa ZR-7s/ZR750 there that might fit the bill...
And then someone can buy the radian for bugger all, spend a bit of time finding what's causing the problem, and ride it for another 10 years without any issues :shifty:

Funny how you get to the point where you've had enough, don't have any faith in the thing, and just want it gone. I had a kwaka like that a while back, it's new owner thinks it's a great bike after a bit more time and money that I wasn't willing to put into it.

[nzspokes]

Just saying, http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-612257395.htm

Go buy it and ride happily into the sunset.

[unstuck]

Just saying,

Go buy it and ride happily into the sunset.

Nice bike that.And its a Honda.:2thumbsup

[nzspokes]

Nice bike that.And its a Honda.:2thumbsup

Only issue is thats the same colour as mine......:sick:

[unstuck]

Only issue is thats the same colour as mine......:sick:

AWWW, Im sure you would make a lovely looking couple.:yes::2thumbsup

[Tigadee]

Only issue is thats the same colour as mine.....

I'm eyeing that one and this one:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=610832166

Can't understand why the black one's price is higher than the red's though, when the black is a year older and has higher kms... :scratch:


AWWW, Im sure you would make a lovely looking couple.:yes::2thumbsup

Wellll, we are talking Hondas here... LOL [That's why I was keen on the Kawa ZR-7 at RB!]

[Tigadee]

And then someone can buy the radian for bugger all, spend a bit of time finding what's causing the problem, and ride it for another 10 years without any issues

That thought had crossed my mind, but the Yamaha is 22 years old, has been around the clock [117k kms now] and if this is electrical in nature, I don't want any more cropping up to deal with... I'll admit it runs beautifully and I really enjoy riding it.

[unstuck]

Looks good in black too. And its not true about Honda riders, I havent been GHEY for years.:devil2:

[nzspokes]

AWWW, Im sure you would make a lovely looking couple.:yes::2thumbsup

Scary thing is we do ride together from time to time. Im gunna get stripes.

I hope he doesnt get a white helmet like mine.......

[nzspokes]

Now this will be a nice one. I know the owner. Has a very good history and service history. http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-608947179.htm

I would take that over any others on tm.

What swayed me on my Hornet was the full service history.

[Drew]

Now this will be a nice one. I know the owner. Has a very good history and service history. http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-608947179.htm

I would take that over any others on tm.

What swayed me on my Hornet was the full service history.
Who the fuck would do 60,000 k's on a Hornet, with the standard bloody bars? Fuck there's some twisted individuals out there!

[nzspokes]

Who the fuck would do 60,000 k's on a Hornet, with the standard bloody bars? Fuck there's some twisted individuals out there!

LOL, mine lasted a day and got swapped out. Never had such sore wrists.

The black one has been returned to stock. It would have had Renthals on it.

[Theantidote]

This whole time, I hadn't looked at what bike you ride. Hahahaha. Thought you had an XV for some fucked up reason.

Go for an xv...you'll have all sorts of fun you never thought possible...
:scooter:

[Drew]

Go for an xv...you'll have all sorts of fun you never thought possible...
:scooter:

Oh right. This dude is where my confusion started.

He was having problems with teh XV in on thread, and you in the other.

Fuck I'm simple!

[Tigadee]

He was having problems with teh XV in on thread, and you in the other.

And he's asking me to go for an XV?! :blink:


Go for an xv...you'll have all sorts of fun you never thought possible...

[xXGIBBOXx]

So tig, which is the new toy going to be ?

[Tigadee]

IF George can't fix it or it's going to cost too much, then I'll likely get the red Hornet (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-612257395.htm).

I like the first black one (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=610832166) better [already got a pack rack] but it's got a bit more kms and a year older yet asking for more... :scratch:

[nzspokes]

IF George can't fix it or it's going to cost too much, then I'll likely get the red Hornet (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-612257395.htm).

I like the first black one (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=610832166) better [already got a pack rack] but it's got a bit more kms and a year older yet asking for more... :scratch:

Dont get worried about pack racks, they are easy to get.

Is george coming to look at it again?

[Tigadee]

Dont get worried about pack racks, they are easy to get.

Yeah, nah... :yes:


Is george coming to look at it again?

Yeah, but he's booked till Tuesday, so he's coming on Wednesday arvo. :thud:

[Theantidote]

And he's asking me to go for an XV?! :blink:

they really are lovely bikes...just a bit of a pain in the arse until you earn their respect...but you gotta go with what feels right...:scooter:

[Theantidote]

Oh right. This dude is where my confusion started.

He was having problems with teh XV in on thread, and you in the other.

Fuck I'm simple!

and i got her sorted...till something else comes up...but at the mo i wouldn't swap with anything...cept maybe a late 80's intruder...:scooter:

[nzspokes]

Sooooo, its it going yet?

[Tigadee]

N-fecking-O!! :facepalm:

Right before George is supposed to turn up, I start the bike and it is fine! :angry2:

Rode it up and down the driveway and then the street total eight times, waiting for something to happen and nothing, nada,.. Smooth as silk and strong as my momma.

Feckin' 'ell! Why won't this bike make up its mind! It was dead for days, and now all of a sudden it decides to work and work fine too! :angry: #^$&$@%%&$#&*^#*%$*^@!!!!!

:no: Had to tell George to forget about coming (again) until the bike shits itself (again)...

[nzspokes]

N-fecking-O!! :facepalm:

Right before George is supposed to turn up, I start the bike and it is fine! :angry2:

Rode it up and down the driveway and then the street total eight times, waiting for something to happen and nothing, nada,.. Smooth as silk and strong as my momma.

Feckin' 'ell! Why won't this bike make up its mind! It was dead for days, and now all of a sudden it decides to work and work fine too! :angry: #^$&$@%%&$#&*^#*%$*^@!!!!!

:no: Had to tell George to forget about coming (again) until the bike shits itself (again)...

Trade it while its running

[unstuck]

Bummer dude............Take it out and give it a damn good thrashing, get its valves bouncing that will learn it.:bash::bash:

[Tigadee]

Bummer dude............Take it out and give it a damn good thrashing, get its valves bouncing that will learn it.

<_< Yeah, treat it like a woman! It's behaving like one anyway!! :whistle:

:dodge:

[unstuck]

<_< Yeah, treat it like a woman! It's behaving like one anyway!! :whistle:

:dodge:

GOD no, what are you thinking. Women need to be treated with respect and love and gentleness , not thrashed like a $2.00 hooker.:lol::lol:

[Tigadee]

There are $2 hookers? :scratch:

[nzspokes]

There are $2 hookers? :scratch:

In Gore. :niceone:

[unstuck]

In Gore. :niceone:

Mataura actually, only classy ones in Gore.....$10.00 and a couple of stubbies of speights.....mate.:shifty:

[Maha]

Mataura actually, only classy ones in Gore.....$10.00 and a couple of stubbies of speights.....mate.:shifty:

Hey! don't diss the Man-Skins...Stubbies rule the fashion world anywhere in NZ :cool:

[Tigadee]

You guys must be talking about midget whores?

[unstuck]

Hey! don't diss the Man-Skins...Stubbies rule to fashion world anywhere in NZ :cool:

Sick bastard.:oi-grr:

[unstuck]

You guys must be talking about midget whores?

Those ones are half price.:2thumbsup

[Tigadee]

Say, would obstruction of the air filter intake cause the hiccups and loss of power, mainly while at motorway speeds?

The starting issue is probably a separate issue altogether but I found a velcro tie on Tuesday night, about a foot long and it was right in front of the air intake under the seat... Must've been there all this while but I never spotted it. :scratch:

I took her on an hour long ride around the suburbs and not one hiccup, burp, fart or snooze... Go figure... :rolleyes:

[nzspokes]

Say, would obstruction of the air filter intake cause the hiccups and loss of power, mainly while at motorway speeds?

The starting issue is probably a separate issue altogether but I found a velcro tie on Tuesday night, about a foot long and it was right in front of the air intake under the seat... Must've been there all this while but I never spotted it. :scratch:

I took her on an hour long ride around the suburbs and not one hiccup, burp, fart or snooze... Go figure... :rolleyes:

:blink::facepalm:

[Tigadee]

It's strange, I never saw that velcro strip in previous inspections, only in this last one where I found it. Took the bike again for an hour long ride around town. Again no issues...

Tomorrow commuting to work will be the last test to see if this has all been because of that one little velcro strip.

[Tigadee]

Update:

Shit, it still misfires while on the motorway... :facepalm:

[xXGIBBOXx]

New toy time then ?

[bogan]

Update:

Shit, it still misfires while on the motorway... :facepalm:

It would almost lead you to believe mechanical intervention is a better fix than crossing your fingers... :oi-grr:

[Theantidote]

mr tigs...chicks and wheels...bound to give yer grief regardless of what u think...i still haven't worked out the finer details of either but i'll not give up coz both are sooooooooooooooooooooo much fun to play with....:devil2:

[Drew]

It would almost lead you to believe mechanical intervention is a better fix than crossing your fingers... :oi-grr:You fucking take that back right now!

Christ, if the RF hears you talking like that, I'm fucked ya cunt!

[ducatilover]

I'll swap you my Volvo for it Tig!

Or, send it down here and I'll sort it out

[Tigadee]

New toy time then ?

It may come to that, it just may... :rolleyes:


It would almost lead you to believe mechanical intervention is a better fix...

While I am not adverse to that course of action, the problem is that it's time-consuming and therefore expensive to have George come and look at the bike trying to track down the problem when it's so random and intermitent.

I was so happy two weeks ago when it died and couldn't ever start again because that meant George can finally come and pinpoint the problem. But the bitch... I mean, bike then decided to start up again the day before he's supposed to come. :brick:


mr tigs...chicks and wheels...bound to give yer grief regardless of what u think...i still haven't worked out the finer details of either but i'll not give up coz both are sooooooooooooooooooooo much fun to play with....

Yeah, like I said, the bike's bloody behaving like a woman: "Hey big boy, wanna go for a ride? You ready? Not now, I've got a headache! :devil2:"


...if the RF hears you talking like that, I'm fucked ya cunt!

What's an RF? :scratch:


I'll swap you my Volvo for it Tig!

Volvo?! :oi-grr: Hell no! :weird:


Or, send it down here and I'll sort it out

Thanks, appreciate the thought...

[mossy1200]

One of my bikes did some funny things and it turned out to be cable lube in the run stop button from doing the lube from the carby upwards to the throttle control. Lazy with lube can cause problems in the ride.

[Tigadee]

One of my bikes did some funny things and it turned out to be cable lube in the run stop button from doing the lube from the carby upwards to the throttle control.

"Run stop button"? Is that the kill switch?


Lazy with lube can cause problems in the ride.

Funny, that's wot she said too! :lol:

[Drew]

What's an RF? :scratch:




This is an RF...

[Tigadee]

This is an RF...

Ohhh, as in 900... Thanks.

[Tigadee]

The saga continues...

Spokes helped me (taught me is more like it) take off the tank last week and we checked the fuel tap - all clean. So it's not a dirty clogged fuel tap/tank/lines...

Dropped the bike off to EBBS Motorcycles last Saturday and heard back from them this morning. They've checked all the wiring and confirm there're no broken wires as they'd first suspected. They also checked the kill/starter switch, battery, connections; also all good.

He took it for a test ride and it stalled once. He turned the fuel tap to Reserve (tank's half full) and the bike never stalled again. He reckons that might be the cause. Except for replacing the tap, the solution right now is to ride it always on Reserve.

No charge for work done this time...

What say you all? As simple as that?

[unstuck]

Sometimes we cannot see the wood for the trees, keep everything crossed and thrash the bastard. New tap should be fuck all though.:headbang::headbang::headbang:

[Tigadee]

Sometimes we cannot see the wood for the trees, keep everything crossed and thrash the bastard.

Thanks. :ride:


New tap should be fuck all though.

If it can be found... Mind you, the front brake light switch was only $25 from Red Baron, so I guess it shouldn't be too bad.

[Drew]

I can't remember if it's been suggested, but has anybody taken the main positive terminals off the solonoid and cleaned them?

Fuel thing could cause the missing and stalling, but it wouldn't cause the bike to not start as described.

[bogan]

What say you all? As simple as that?

Nah it's fucked, but at least now you don't have to push it up to the top of the nearest large cliff...

If you want to diagnose intermittent elecy problems, put indicator lights in to the various circuits so you can see if such things lose power during the bikes issues.

[Tigadee]

I can't remember if it's been suggested, but has anybody taken the main positive terminals off the solonoid and cleaned them?

Yes, and that's been done... :no:


Fuel thing could cause the missing and stalling, but it wouldn't cause the bike to not start as described.

Exacterly... :yes:

[Mom]

I can't remember if it's been suggested, but has anybody taken the main positive terminals off the solonoid and cleaned them?

Fuel thing could cause the missing and stalling, but it wouldn't cause the bike to not start as described.

My poxy Radian used to do exactly what is being described here, including failure to start for no reason. Heap of shit! Dirty fuel was the problem. As soon as I put a POR15 kit in the tank all fuel issues were solved and the bike ran well.

[Tigadee]

If you want to diagnose intermittent elecy problems, put indicator lights in to the various circuits so you can see if such things lose power during the bikes issues.

Problem is they're intermittent and totally random. Bike could run fine for two days and then the next, it'd act up... <_<

[bogan]

Problem is they're intermittent and totally random. Bike could run fine for two days and then the next, it'd act up... <_<

That is the point, by having an indicator light wired in as soon as it acts up you can look down to see if it is acting up because that particular circuit has lost power for one reason or another.

[Tigadee]

That is the point, by having an indicator light wired in as soon as it acts up you can look down to see if it is acting up because that particular circuit has lost power for one reason or another.

OK, will check with the mechanic. He's got the bike at the moment... (Collecting tomorrow.)

[caseye]

I know someone with a really good looking Nonda for sale, you could buy that and ride trouble free forever, NOW!
Mom's kit will most definitely stop the fuel being the problem, no dirty insides of tank to give shit to the petrol on it's way to the engine then.
Good luck with it mate.

[Tigadee]

My poxy Radian used to do exactly what is being described here, including failure to start for no reason. Dirty fuel was the problem. As soon as I put a POR15 kit in the tank all fuel issues were solved and the bike ran well.

Trouble is, Spokes and I looked at the tank and tap and they were really clean... Fuel was coming clean and clear.

[Mom]

Trouble is, Spokes and I looked at the tank and tap and they were really clean... Fuel was coming clean and clear.

Yepper, I thought the same too. Have you read the thread where my poxy bike would simply not start on the day of a very important protest ride? No reason for it, just would not go. Surging, spluttering, stalling, no idle, you name it I had it. Did all sorts. Cleaned the carbs, no result, in fact it ran worse after that if you please. There was nothing wrong with my fuel tap either, nor the new inline fuel filter I put in it. But still the fucker would not behave.

A really cool guy on here told me to look at the tank position when on its side stand and see where it is entirely possible for the tank to be rusty. You cant see inside it. At that stage I had nothing to lose and a real determination to sort it once and for all, or torch the thing so it could not cause any further trouble. I got to the stage where I hated riding it as I never got a clean run and simply could not trust it not to breakdown on me. There is nothing pleasurable about riding a bike that is coughing and spluttering from Auckland to Napier for example.

All I know is, for the sake of $90 odd, and a few hours of my time, I managed to solve the running issues it had, and that others had attempted to fix with no result.

I tell you what, you buy the kit, I will come and help you use it. You will have to do all the clever stuff as my wrist is still in plaster and you will need to buy a long roll of glad-wrap too. Let me know. Serious offer.

[nzspokes]

Buy a Hornet

[buggerit]

Have you checked the wiring loom earth to the frame? ( not battery earth).

[Tigadee]

I tell you what, you buy the kit, I will come and help you use it. You will have to do all the clever stuff as my wrist is still in plaster and you will need to buy a long roll of glad-wrap too. Let me know. Serious offer.

:not: Many thanks for your kind offer. It will be kept in mind...


Buy a Hornet

Not a red one, for sure! Those have been statistically proven to go faster and incur higher insurance premiums!


Have you checked the wiring loom earth to the frame? ( not battery earth).

No,... well, maybe but I'm not sure.

[Maha]

What surprises may next week bring?....:wait:

[Tigadee]

Have you checked the wiring loom earth to the frame? ( not battery earth).

Yeah, that was done...

Unfortunately, it's still misfiring. Rode it home fine last night, but this morning on the motorway it 'hiccuped' once. No loss of power but that wouldn't be far away if there were a few more misfires...

The mechanic (2nd one) was at a loss since he checked out the entire electrical system and found nothing wrong, bar stripping the wires out to see if there may be a broken one somewhere. The TCI, kill switch and kick stand switch/circuits check out OK too...

[Tigadee]

What surprises may next week bring?....:wait:

:msn-wink:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/160265-New-bike-for-me?p=1130593839#post1130593839

[Tigadee]

OK, just found this and it fits my problem to a T:
http://members.tripod.com/dave_jack/id41.htm

So, a new TCI [quoted by Red Baron] is 565 dollars and a used unit is anywhere from 120 to 200 dollars. Do I get an electronics technician [if I can find one who will] to try this fix or would that cost the same as a used unit from the States or even a new one from RB?

[nzspokes]

OK, just found this and it fits my problem to a T:
http://members.tripod.com/dave_jack/id41.htm

So, a new TCI [quoted by Red Baron] is 565 dollars and a used unit is anywhere from 120 to 200 dollars. Do I get an electronics technician [if I can find one who will] to try this fix or would that cost the same as a used unit from the States or even a new one from RB?

Just asked a mate if he can do it.

[bogan]

OK, just found this and it fits my problem to a T:
http://members.tripod.com/dave_jack/id41.htm

So, a new TCI [quoted by Red Baron] is 565 dollars and a used unit is anywhere from 120 to 200 dollars. Do I get an electronics technician [if I can find one who will] to try this fix or would that cost the same as a used unit from the States or even a new one from RB?

Simple visual inspection should be free (you'll have to take it out of the plastic though), I think unless something is found in that it's going to get fairly expensive and be good idea to look around for a second hand one. If you can't get anyone local and want to send it down to palmy I can give it a look over.

[Tigadee]

Thanks, Spokes and Bogan!

[mossy1200]

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/yx600-yx-600-radian-fz600-fz-600-cdi-ecu-igniter-/400001302479?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d21ef7fcf