Boxes and other packaging? (food grade)

[blue rider]

So, I am desperately trying to find a NZ business that 'still' makes boxes for Chocolates and hard bottomed plastic bags.

Either my search abilities are useless or really there is no more business in the whole of NZ that creates decent food grade packaging that carries the "made in NZ". And no, I don't want plastic containers for chinese take away...I make chocolates.

Any orders from China involve in ordering several thousand boxes at a time..(sorry this is a fledgling business), and well I am not to sure what to do, other than send an order to the US or Europe as companies there allow for smaller order quantities.

Anyone here knows a business that could help?


thanks

[mashman]

For some reason I thought egg boxes... praps these guys might be able to help (http://www.hawkpackaging.co.nz/) or at least may be able to point you in the right direction.

[blue rider]

For some reason I thought egg boxes... praps these guys might be able to help (http://www.hawkpackaging.co.nz/) or at least may be able to point you in the right direction.


oi, eggs only for easter...

no I am more looking at this

http://www.embalchoc.com/collection_metallics_bronze2.html

[mashman]

oi, eggs only for easter...

no I am more looking at this

http://www.embalchoc.com/collection_metallics_bronze2.html

Oooooo, fancy. Might be worth calling the guys I linked anyways just in case, them being in that sort of industry, they may know of someone "small"that isn't listed?

[Akzle]

huhtamaki
. .

[blue rider]

Oooooo, fancy. Might be worth calling the guys I linked anyways just in case, them being in that sort of industry, they may know of someone "small"that isn't listed?

look I am a girl, I like fancy...and I will call these guys...cause I need boxes.
Precious, pretty boxes...

[blue rider]

huhtamaki
. .

nope unfortunately not.

if I go down the way of using plastic, it would have to be re-usable containers. Systema comes to mind, they operate and produce here and are capable of small runs.

[mashman]

look I am a girl, I like fancy...and I will call these guys...cause I need boxes.
Precious, pretty boxes...

Noted. Noted. I need chocolate :D melted in a box if necessary.

[blue rider]

Noted. Noted. I need chocolate :D melted in a box if necessary.


note sure about the melted in a box look, but I can help you with the regular looking chocolate. Belgium chocolate with nice yummi fillings.

[mashman]

note sure about the melted in a box look, but I can help you with the regular looking chocolate. Belgium chocolate with nice yummi fillings.

How well does it deep fry?

[mashman]

If all else fails, you could prettify some of these :D

http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/toilet-paper-tube-craft.jpg

and who doesn't like a round box :blink:

[blue rider]

If all else fails, you could prettify some of these :D


and who doesn't like a round box :blink:


dear Mashman,

kindly do fuck off!

:girlfight:

blue rider

[mashman]

dear Mashman,

kindly do fuck off!

:girlfight:

blue rider

Tis but a slightly larger smarties tube.

Oh, ok, yes dear...

[blue rider]

this is a box I used the other day....cause I had nothing else....

:brick::weep::oi-grr:

[skippa1]

So, I am desperately trying to find a NZ business that 'still' makes boxes for Chocolates and hard bottomed plastic bags.

Either my search abilities are useless or really there is no more business in the.............blah blah blah

Anyone here knows a business that could help?


thanks

Send me two dozen chocolates in a couple of those sample boxes and I will see what I can organise. The chocolates will not be consumed, they are for sizing purposes only:whistle:

[Smifffy]

http://www.colorpak.co.nz

http://www.colorpak.co.nz/brandpack

http://www.colorpak.co.nz/food-beverage

Oz company bought out NZ company factory in Penrose.

[AllanB]

Yum, thouse look very eatable.

Yup - packaging needs attention......

I used to get pretty boxes from a company here in CHCH as one offs for special project presentations. Stuffed if I can remember their name. Expensive for one offs.

What volume would you need as a starter as the larger printing companies will accomondate but the more you want the lower the unit price. They should also point you in the direction of premade low volume sales.

[blue rider]

Yum, thouse look very eatable.

Yup - packaging needs attention......

I used to get pretty boxes from a company here in CHCH as one offs for special project presentations. Stuffed if I can remember their name. Expensive for one offs.

What volume would you need as a starter as the larger printing companies will accomondate but the more you want the lower the unit price. They should also point you in the direction of premade low volume sales.


They are very eatable, and the box made me cry....it really did.

i want different sizes at a couple hundreds each in the beginning and eventually decide on 1 or two formats that are selling the best.

so I am thinking


1. - 5 columns each three chocolates - window lid/closed lid

23 cm long / 12.5 cm wide and 3.5 cm high


2. - 5 columns / each 4 chocolates - window lid/closed lid

23 cm long / 16 cm wide and 3.5 cm high


3. - single box for 6 chocolates - window lid/closed lid

4 cm wide / 24 cm long and 3.5 cm high

with foldable dividers between the compartments (correct term?)

I am happy to fold the boxes myself, but I don't want to have to order 2000 units of each, and I also would prefer having to deal with someone who is a native english speaker.

Years ago I worked for a chocolate Manufacturer and the box order arrived just before easter, and the boxes were faulty, all 50.000 of them....Yei! T'was great fun trying to fold the boxes.

[blue rider]

http://www.colorpak.co.nz

http://www.colorpak.co.nz/brandpack

http://www.colorpak.co.nz/food-beverage

Oz company bought out NZ company factory in Penrose.


i am to small for these guys.
really what I need is a small to medium sized company that is able to handle food grade packaging.

[Murray]

You could try some chocolate makers and ask them

Perhaps, houseofchocolate, waikatovalleychoclate or even ask nyco

[blue rider]

You could try some chocolate makers and ask them

Perhaps, houseofchocolate, waikatovalleychoclate or even ask nyco

i have asked quite a few people including ResoTech (supplier of Pastry and chocolate making goods - French)..but considering that NZ is a very small market with only a limited number of makers and buyers etc...no one is willing to part with their contacts unless they are making some sort of cut. (there is some bad blood out there with companies screwing each other over) - or are large enough to order their packaging in large quantities. Nyco would be one of those players.

No really what I was looking for is something that obviously does not exist any more. A New Zealand Company able to produce packaging for SME's. It would have been nice to produce "made in NZ" as much as possible.

I will like the others have to order overseas. :argh:

[BAD DAD]

Hey BR there is a food innovation company recently opened in Manukau, it's called Te Ipu Kai: The Food Bowl. They specialise in helping people get their food products to market. I don't have any contacts there but visited an open day recently. I bet a nice fat choccy that someone there can put you in contact with a packaging guru or something.

[blue rider]

Hey BR.......... I bet a nice fat choccy that someone there can put you in contact with a packaging guru or something.


Mhhhh...yes I might take a box of Whiskey/Honey (and others) there and see if I get lucky!

thanks.

[Milts]

Any of these seem like they would do the job?

http://www.boxkraft.co.nz/about-boxkraft.html

http://www.pakworld.co.nz/pages/innovation/custom_solutions.html

http://www.foodinc.co.nz/services-products.htm#PackagingSolutions

If you wanted to go pricier, you could always ask some of the 'artsy'/design/craft people (of which there are many, locally) if they would be interested in doing a run or two... http://www.littleink.co.nz/about-us

Hope you do find a local supplier!

[blue rider]

Any of these seem like they would do the job?

http://www.boxkraft.co.nz/about-boxkraft.html

http://www.pakworld.co.nz/pages/innovation/custom_solutions.html

http://www.foodinc.co.nz/services-products.htm#PackagingSolutions

If you wanted to go pricier, you could always ask some of the 'artsy'/design/craft people (of which there are many, locally) if they would be interested in doing a run or two... http://www.littleink.co.nz/about-us

Hope you do find a local supplier!



the littleink.co.nz link seems good...a but pricey but they have at least two box types that would suit. Again I am afraid that my little onewomen/family business is not large enough for the other companies. (will give it a try anyways.)

to have the box designed i guess is no problem but the having it produced?

thanks

[Milts]

the littleink.co.nz link seems good...a but pricey but they have at least two box types that would suit. Again I am afraid that my little onewomen/family business is not large enough for the other companies. (will give it a try anyways.)

to have the box designed i guess is no problem but the having it produced?

thanks

Yeah a one person business must make it hard for things like this, because you aren't going to get those economies of scale...

One of those websites did say the accept orders of any size including down to one unit - but they may or may not have the type of box you're after. Good luck regardless.

[unstuck]

I used to work for a company in glenfield called Paramount printing and packaging, I think they moved to albany. We used to do a few smaller jobs for locals making boxes and stuff, but the cost of setting up the die cutting boards and the like would put most people off. If you could get your own die boards made up, you may be able to take it to a printers and then they could run it through their press and give you some sort of discount.:2thumbsup Just had a quick Google and it looks like Paramount may of closed down.

[Quasi]

Ring the guys at Schoc Chocolate in Greytown and ask where they source theirs. They use all sorts. shpaes, sizes of fancy card and plastic boxes for their yummy choc's

[Berries]

What about that other classic NZ firm, Tetra Pakipaki?

[Smifffy]

What size runs are you talking about?

Perhaps you could get some card stock printed at a low volume printer and then hand cut and glue the blanks into boxes?

Maybe laminate glossy photog paper onto something...

All much more labour intensive.

[blue rider]

What size runs are you talking about?

Perhaps you could get some card stock printed at a low volume printer and then hand cut and glue the blanks into boxes?

Maybe laminate glossy photog paper onto something...

All much more labour intensive.

Too labour intensive, I want to make chocolates not fold boxes (well cut, clue and fold....oy veh)

I have found a company in Hamilton that does boxing for cakes mainly, but has a very limited range for chocolates.

So far they have not responded to my email. However I have about 20 answers from companies from China.
One company in France is happy with smaller runs, and a company in the States does bags with hard bottoms fully biodegradable, and is happy to send to NZ for a reasonable prize.


My print range is in the 500 each size for now, and once more established larger runs. At that stage I can also eliminate the sizes that don't do too well. I am well aware that the costs will be larger for the first run / smaller units, however I really thought that I could find someone in NZ to pick up the business.

Well here is hoping that the company in Hamilton will send me at least an email acknowledging that they received my email.

[Akzle]

Too labour intensive, I want to make chocolates not fold boxes (well cut, clue and fold....oy veh)

I have found a company in Hamilton that does boxing for cakes mainly, but has a very limited range for chocolates.

So far they have not responded to my email. However I have about 20 answers from companies from China.
One company in France is happy with smaller runs, and a company in the States does bags with hard bottoms fully biodegradable, and is happy to send to NZ for a reasonable prize.


My print range is in the 500 each size for now, and once more established larger runs. At that stage I can also eliminate the sizes that don't do too well. I am well aware that the costs will be larger for the first run / smaller units, however I really thought that I could find someone in NZ to pick up the business.

Well here is hoping that the company in Hamilton will send me at least an email acknowledging that they received my email.

youre not clevedon chocolates? Talk to them. But they might hate you as competition. They make fkn nice choclate.

[Akzle]

oh. And they have little gift box things.

[blue rider]

oh. And they have little gift box things.

yes, and they will not share their suppliers.....lol, you funny

[Akzle]

yes, and they will not share their suppliers.....lol, you funny

say its for gift turtles or something

[Smifffy]

i am to small for these guys.
really what I need is a small to medium sized company that is able to handle food grade packaging.

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[blue rider]

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Colorpak........

Do you have a minimum order volume?

No we don’t. We will provide you with a solution that best fits your needs. Small volumes can also be economically done in digital format.
Can I visualize my product in its packaging before I proceed?

At Colorpak we have full in-house design capability. We can quickly turn around a plain mocked up structural design from our in-house CAD department. If you have artwork available we can make you a fully mocked up sample that enables you to show your customer your finished product before it begins.



Hangs head in shame....thanks did not see that. (i will get glasses...i will get glasses)

will send an email now. cheers

[blue rider]

Happy ....
I got a reply back from Colorpak a Deesees Creations in Hamilton.
It pleases me to no end that I will have my packaging made in NZ. :yes:

[Grumph]

Happy ....
I got a reply back from Colorpak a Deesees Creations in Hamilton.
It pleases me to no end that I will have my packaging made in NZ. :yes:

It pleases me too...and surprises. I worked in the packaging industry in the 70's and at that time there were at least four outfits in ChCh alone which could have done what you wanted.

like a lot of other manufacturing, that bit's munted too....I suppose it's just downstream economics - not a lot being made here now so less packaging companies around.

[blue rider]

little update.

reply back from one company, a single sheet with pricing and a link to boxes online. grumpy I think...not much help.
Maybe one or two boxes that I could use for seasonal packaging.
Will see if they are happy to send a sample or two.

reply back from the other company, someone will get in touch with me....salesperson for AKL not in for the day.

Its quite sad, there are a lot of smaller businesses that do confectionery/chocolates etc and they all have a need for boxes and speciality packaging (xmas/easter etc...especially for moulded chocolates). Or else it is to buy of someone who imports some packaging and resell if for an exorbitant price that will be oncharged to the customers, usually with a mark up.

The french guy that I worked for was nearly in tears when his order came from china and the boxes were faulty (t'was very funny as I was the only one being able to understand his flow of rather colourful french. I had to translate to his wife and his kitchen staff).
He tried to find a supplier in NZ but gave up after a while, and the shop staff was tasked with not only folding the boxes but gluing them in place so that they not open spontaneously. Granted that was a couple of years ago.

Its sad, i much rather pay good money here, than send what budget I have for packaging to china.

[Gremlin]

Nothing wrong with a single sheet of prices. Salesman out for day... they're on the road travelling and selling.

Many businesses are good at what they do, but the rest of the stuff escapes them, and don't have much need for advanced websites etc.

[blue rider]

Nothing wrong with a single sheet of prices. Salesman out for day... they're on the road travelling and selling.

Many businesses are good at what they do, but the rest of the stuff escapes them, and don't have much need for advanced websites etc.


I agree, I am happy to have recieved the prices and can now spend some time getting the images online together with the prices.

However, when sending a follow up email in regards to specifics and all that comes is a link to the page it is a bit sad. Especially when in my first email i have referred to their webpage.

I used to be in telesales/direct sales and b2b....so I kind of know what goes into selling a product. (well at least just a little ;))

[Akzle]

Its sad, i much rather pay good money here, than send what budget I have for packaging to china.

no way dude. Free trade. And chinas economoney needs all the help it can get. Which is good, because our manufacturing sector doesnt need money anyway.