Cyber spying is old news. Welcome to the cyber war end game

[flyingcrocodile46]

Quite the insight into the reality of just how big the USA preparations are to start a Cyberwar and what they have already done. Makes the subject of Snowden's whistleblowing pale by comparison

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/general-keith-alexander-cyberwar/all/

The world is a changing, pretty soon every electrical appliance with a computer chip will be a potential weapon.

[Big Dave]

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[Akzle]

soon?
Dnt knw if youv heard of this little company called jewgle, better known as umbrella corporation.

[mashman]

Shit damn... what are they protecting again?

[Akzle]

Shit damn... what are they protecting again?

the jew empire. Money.

[mashman]

the jew empire. Money.

Gonna need a name for that. A jewpyre probably ain't too PC.

[puddytat]

Some think fishy about that link.....weirded my computer out

[scissorhands]

Metropia full movie
english language audio with foreign subtitles
122mb @240 quality


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulw3m2WW5VY

[scissorhands]

Some think fishy about that link.....weirded my computer out

I've given up worrying
bugs upon bugs

[flyingcrocodile46]

Some think fishy about that link.....weirded my computer out

Shit! So my mate who called me about his PC crashing was right.

What's the bet that big brother has set up some exploits to discredit and misdirect attention away from it??

[flyingcrocodile46]

If you have read the story about General Alexander and his exploits you might recall he got his initial blessing to illegally spy on Americans at the time of 911.

You should watch this video interview of the NSA's cryptologist who designed the back end of Alexander's first surveillance system. William Biney who blew the whistle on them as soon as he realised what they were up to around 2002.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/opinion/the-national-security-agencys-domestic-spying-program.html?_r=1&

I recall talk about it at the time but given the situation at the time didn't factor it as seriously as I should have.

Anyone who features in any recorded data automatically has a profile generated by the program and that profile can be used against you any time they want.

[scissorhands]

My profile has been distributed to various local security firms:yes:

[nosebleed]

Gonna need a name for that. A jewpyre probably ain't too PC.

Oh no you didn't. Thats gotta be Godwins in what, 4 moves?

[mashman]

Some think fishy about that link.....weirded my computer out

Did the graphics card crash? Mine seems to do that every now and then... but then hardware chooses it's moments to fail for maximum paranoia. Once upon a time, lasted about a week but only occasionally noticed it, whilst searching for images for Associations and before the results where returned, the image below (or at least one of them with an eagle and wings on it), flashed up.

http://www.thecarolinascoop.com/odniseal.jpg

I mentioned it to a friend who knows people in that arena (security firms in the states) and he laughed and said I was being watched. I don't care if he was serious or not as there's fuck all I can do about it, so we drank more beer and changed the subject.

[scissorhands]

so we drank more beer and changed the subject.

welcome to our world

[Winston001]

What I find interesting is that Americans aren't bothered or alarmed by Snowdon's revelations. Most of the noise is whether the guy is a traitor or a whistle-blower. There is no wave of public indignation that the NSA is gathering gigabytes of information.

I don't like it but its kind of like an elephant trying to thread a needle. The task the NSA has of trying to make sense of the data produced by 3 billion connected people is impossible.

[scissorhands]

The task the NSA has of trying to make sense of the data produced by 3 billion connected people is impossible.

thats what computers are for, analysis of large amounts of information


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo18VIoR2xU

[mashman]

What I find interesting is that Americans aren't bothered or alarmed by Snowdon's revelations. Most of the noise is whether the guy is a traitor or a whistle-blower. There is no wave of public indignation that the NSA is gathering gigabytes of information.

I don't like it but its kind of like an elephant trying to thread a needle. The task the NSA has of trying to make sense of the data produced by 3 billion connected people is impossible.

What are they going to do? Protest? As they can't, they may as well play the hero or traitor game just to feel like they've taken part.

Step 1. A thesaurus and a ranking.
Step 2. Fuzzy logic and Soundex search on top ranked communications.
Step 3. Email the men with the blue hands.

Watch the vid posted by flyingcrocodile and you may get some idea how long they've been at this and what is possible.

[avgas]

Being on the other end of Stuxnet soon as we saw what it was doing and where it was going. You knew it was US at work - and made us all shiver a little. Americans were playing a whole new level of dirty and now very few people trust em.
Whenever I dealt a control grad, first thing I would teach them was hardware interlocks, second thing was not to trust american gear.
Second point eventually fails, and we all have to dance with the devil at some point. But hardware interlocks have saved countless NZ/Aus/USA systems I have worked with.

Stuxnet was just dirty and cowardly. and the Americans knew it. They should have bombed the place rather than put in Stuxnet.
The AC/DC part was just weird also.

That wasn't information collection, that was just dirty.

[flyingcrocodile46]

What I find interesting is that Americans aren't bothered or alarmed by Snowdon's revelations. Most of the noise is whether the guy is a traitor or a whistle-blower. There is no wave of public indignation that the NSA is gathering gigabytes of information.

I don't like it but its kind of like an elephant trying to thread a needle. The task the NSA has of trying to make sense of the data produced by 3 billion connected people is impossible.

Watch the Binney interview video and he describes the way his program does exactly that (in broad terms), He wrote the program for use against other bad naughty countries and blew the whistle on them circa 2002

[flyingcrocodile46]

Being on the other end of Stuxnet soon as we saw what it was doing and where it was going. You knew it was US at work - and made us all shiver a little. Americans were playing a whole new level of dirty and now very few people trust em.
Whenever I dealt a control grad, first thing I would teach them was hardware interlocks, second thing was not to trust american gear.
Second point eventually fails, and we all have to dance with the devil at some point. But hardware interlocks have saved countless NZ/Aus/USA systems I have worked with.

Stuxnet was just dirty and cowardly. and the Americans knew it. They should have bombed the place rather than put in Stuxnet.
The AC/DC part was just weird also.

That wasn't information collection, that was just dirty.

Yup. Dirty crooked evil fuckers.

[avgas]

Yup. Dirty crooked evil fuckers.
Yeah I love the fact that all these IT Pros out there are worried about "who see's what".
Few people are concerned about the plug being pulled (like it did with Stuxnet).

FYI if Huawei gear goes down in NZ. Blame the Americans or the Finish/Japanese. Cisco/Foxconn/GE...... are all made in China. But they still have supply contracts with US/Aus because of the old boys club. They did the same BS with Siemens about 10 years ago also.

[flyingcrocodile46]

If you have the time (100 min). This will blow you away.
It isn't really appropriately titled in respect to the Illuminati tilt.http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/images/smilies/wink.gif
http://The illuminati Exposed By Muammar Gaddafi (http://youtu.be/THlaMUq6MKU)

It's only a look at a very small slice of time and activity in the middle east from 2000 to 2012 but has a high level of detail which surprisingly makes a big difference to how you look at Gaddafi and more particularly Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran etc V the US/NWO.

Quite the eye opener for those who want a glimpse at the naked reality of the illusions we are enduring. It's a view of Libya I never imagined and nothing like what I have seen in any news media.

To be perfectly blunt and honest, it fucking sucks.

[Akzle]

Gonna need a name for that. A jewpyre probably ain't too PC.

if i blamed islam you wouldnt hav a problem with it.

[Akzle]

If you have the time (100 min). This will blow you away.
It isn't really appropriately titled in respect to the Illuminati tilt.http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/images/smilies/wink.gif
http://The illuminati Exposed By Muammar Gaddafi

It's only a look at a very small slice of time and activity in the middle east from 2000 to 2012 but has a high level of detail which surprisingly makes a big difference to how you look at Gaddafi and more particularly Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran etc V the US/NWO.

Quite the eye opener for those who want a glimpse at the naked reality of the illusions we are enduring. It's a view of Libya I never imagined and nothing like what I have seen in any news media.

To be perfectly blunt and honest, it fucking sucks.

read john barron's 'how to run a tyranny'
then compare 1920-80 kgb with america.
Hoo-rah!


Oh, and the monied jews (israel, us, england) vs world (palestine and pretty much anyone else who doesnt cowtow) thing.. Nothing new, just decide which way youre gonna be shooting before the time comes

[mashman]

if i blamed islam you wouldnt hav a problem with it.

Of course I would, Islampire, Ispire, Islamapire, Islamabinpire... so so many problems once I get above 2 syllables.

Having said that, I care not who the money men are as they have no hold over a country (not as directly) that doesn't use the filthy concept of a financial system. Oddly enough the surveillance shit doesn't mean anything without that system either innit? After all, there's nothing to lose.

[Akzle]

jewpyre... Someone had a similar idea once.

[lakedaemonian]

Being on the other end of Stuxnet soon as we saw what it was doing and where it was going. You knew it was US at work - and made us all shiver a little. Americans were playing a whole new level of dirty and now very few people trust em.
Whenever I dealt a control grad, first thing I would teach them was hardware interlocks, second thing was not to trust american gear.
Second point eventually fails, and we all have to dance with the devil at some point. But hardware interlocks have saved countless NZ/Aus/USA systems I have worked with.

Stuxnet was just dirty and cowardly. and the Americans knew it. They should have bombed the place rather than put in Stuxnet.
The AC/DC part was just weird also.

That wasn't information collection, that was just dirty.

So killing people, possibly a LOT of people, combined with the massive impact on world financial/energy markets would be a better alternative than some pretty carefully created and deployed code that physically destroyed a whole bunch of cetrifuges for enriching uranium?

Personally, I think the danger of hundreds upon hundreds of bomber sorties is far greater.

Although it must be said that the code and zero day exploits used for STUXNET can be analysed, recycled, and reverse engineered into the creation of slightly different cyber weapons.

It's far cheaper to recycle a cyber weapon than to create one.

The US also acknowledged STUXNET on several levels which I believe is the first time a nation state has acknowledged offensive network operations.

In doing so, the US has potentially opened up a bit of a pandora's box for the acceptability and precedent setting nature of it for events in the future.

[avgas]

So killing people, possibly a LOT of people, combined with the massive impact on world financial/energy markets would be a better alternative than some pretty carefully created and deployed code that physically destroyed a whole bunch of cetrifuges for enriching uranium?
Stuxnet wasn't that good. All it did was travel through the control comms, find something labelled critical and fudged the protocol values.
This meant the Uranium centrifuges would show levels as normal.
As would pulp-and-paper mill motors.
As would a robot crane in an assembly plant.
As would a fire alarm system in a BMS.
As would pump station at the local sewage plant.
As would air pump unit in an underground mine.

Basically sensor/transducer would present a value to the I/O. I/O controller would receive a value, give to stuxnet who would passed on a completely different value.

Did I mention that it wasn't biased against uranium plants? Or countries?
We even had a batch of it here (unofficially). See any uranium plants here?
See that was the kicker - they didn't know how to do it properly so they made it fit multiple circumstance.

It was a fucking nasty little trick. We are lucky that every country didn't lose its national grid or water supply.
So no don't think of it as a safety switch for some dodgy arabs. Think of it as a global EMP. Because that is what it was.

There have been others since then also - dumb bastards keep getting misfires in US........so now all the engineers over there don't trust the govt also. Have kept their tech in the 1980's, hard-lines, hard-wires, dedicated spectrum radios, serial comms...........innovation goes down the toilet because everyone is too scared to be the next test subject for USA Govt failed viruses.

They had to admit to Stuxnet. It ended up on their shores also. They needed as much help as the rest of us. Dumb bastards opened pandora's box.

[mashman]

If you have the time (100 min). This will blow you away.
It isn't really appropriately titled in respect to the Illuminati tilt.http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/images/smilies/wink.gif
http://The illuminati Exposed By Muammar Gaddafi

It's only a look at a very small slice of time and activity in the middle east from 2000 to 2012 but has a high level of detail which surprisingly makes a big difference to how you look at Gaddafi and more particularly Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran etc V the US/NWO.

Quite the eye opener for those who want a glimpse at the naked reality of the illusions we are enduring. It's a view of Libya I never imagined and nothing like what I have seen in any news media.

To be perfectly blunt and honest, it fucking sucks.

What happened to your link :shit:

[mashman]

If you have the time (100 min). This will blow you away.
It isn't really appropriately titled in respect to the Illuminati tilt.http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/images/smilies/wink.gif
http://The illuminati Exposed By Muammar Gaddafi

It's only a look at a very small slice of time and activity in the middle east from 2000 to 2012 but has a high level of detail which surprisingly makes a big difference to how you look at Gaddafi and more particularly Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran etc V the US/NWO.

Quite the eye opener for those who want a glimpse at the naked reality of the illusions we are enduring. It's a view of Libya I never imagined and nothing like what I have seen in any news media.

To be perfectly blunt and honest, it fucking sucks.

Cannot spread again etc... Agreed in regards to looking at the 7 nations targeted in a different light. They rule using money. The solution to ending the rule is to stop using money. It ain't rocket science.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THlaMUq6MKU

[pete376403]

What I find interesting is that Americans aren't bothered or alarmed by Snowdon's revelations. Most of the noise is whether the guy is a traitor or a whistle-blower. There is no wave of public indignation that the NSA is gathering gigabytes of information.

I don't like it but its kind of like an elephant trying to thread a needle. The task the NSA has of trying to make sense of the data produced by 3 billion connected people is impossible.

They do it by building a bigger data centre; http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/

[flyingcrocodile46]

What happened to your link :shit:

Whoops! Fixed now thanks, though I see you found it ok :niceone:

[avgas]

The solution to ending the rule is to stop using money. It ain't rocket science.
Anymore.
In saying that ever wonder why Alaska built a big fuck off radio array.......and all the Russian moon landers crashed.

You like a good conspiracy theory don't ya. My control lecturer (Russian) once mentioned in passing that during the peak of the space race that Russians still preferred radio remote control to automated control. So moon landers would receive signals telling them how to land.
Americans became aware of this and made 3 big fuck off radio stations, and transmitted noise........only when the landers were due to land......therefore russian craft would head to moon, and when it got close enough would simply crash because it had no future instructions.

Apparently russian payback for this was what we now call a numbers station. Which would throw a curveball to the Americans. The "big buzzer" or UVB-76 becoming most notorious. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TauB83WeDWU)
These were just weather/ion/temp/geo stations nothing more.......but became so "X-Filed" that rogue stations started up and kept throwing bigger curve balls.
Not sure how true it is. But good story regardless.

When I was last in NY I caught this exibit - http://www.discoverytsx.com/exhibitions/spy
Was bloody good one. I had no idea about Hughes Glomar Explorer being a scam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian

[Winston001]

When I was last in NY I caught this exibit - http://www.discoverytsx.com/exhibitions/spy
Was bloody good one. I had no idea about Hughes Glomar Explorer being a scam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian

Heh yeah, got the book out of the Otago University library 25 years ago which detailed the Jennifer Project. Fascinating stuff but as you say, little known. Funny thing is I found the book recently in my bookcase so returned it incognito. :D

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0890967644

[mashman]

Anymore.
In saying that ever wonder why Alaska built a big fuck off radio array.......and all the Russian moon landers crashed.

You like a good conspiracy theory don't ya. My control lecturer (Russian) once mentioned in passing that during the peak of the space race that Russians still preferred radio remote control to automated control. So moon landers would receive signals telling them how to land.
Americans became aware of this and made 3 big fuck off radio stations, and transmitted noise........only when the landers were due to land......therefore russian craft would head to moon, and when it got close enough would simply crash because it had no future instructions.

Apparently russian payback for this was what we now call a numbers station. Which would throw a curveball to the Americans. The "big buzzer" or UVB-76 becoming most notorious. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TauB83WeDWU)
These were just weather/ion/temp/geo stations nothing more.......but became so "X-Filed" that rogue stations started up and kept throwing bigger curve balls.
Not sure how true it is. But good story regardless.

When I was last in NY I caught this exibit - http://www.discoverytsx.com/exhibitions/spy
Was bloody good one. I had no idea about Hughes Glomar Explorer being a scam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian

That is a peach. Given the way they competed there's probably an element of truth in there somewhere, like most good conspiracy's. If only they had cooperated.

[Winston001]

They do it by building a bigger data centre; http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/

Yes, look I don't know. Maybe I'm naive and don't understand the extent of surveillance systems.

Under the Donnie Brasco surveillance cases the FBI collected 5 years in time of 24/7 taped conversations. That took them years and years to go through and pick out the tiny bits to justify RICO prosecutions.

Ok the FBI did not have sophisticated computers in 1981. But then they didn't have to include chat, msm, forums, skype, email, cellphones, and other methods of modern communication which I've ommitted.

Computers are very clever at finding keywords and patterns. The problem is humans are even more clever at avoiding them. Osama Bin Laden communicated through written messages delivered by couriers - it took the USA with all its satellites and mainframes ten years to track him down. That suggests that surveillance is an elephant trying to find the needle which is nearly but not quite impossible.

In other words the average person can fly under the radar forever because the elephant doesn't even notice you.

[Winston001]

Dear Aunty Yashima, I have sent the two dozen oysters to you in Washington.


Dear Nephew Ephram, your aunt Pashma has arrived with her five children. They very much need skateboards and want to visit Microsoft. Are you able to help?




So what does the NSA make of the above? Washington DC or Washington State? Oysters are? Skateboards are...? Five children..?

The point I'm clumsily trying to make is that the NSA needs human intelligence to make sense of data and so far as I can work out they don't have anywhere near enough people. It would take a couple of million trained and trusted analysts to go through the data thrown up by the computers.

[Akzle]

Dear Aunty Yashima, I have sent the two dozen oysters to you in Washington.


Dear Nephew Ephram, your aunt Pashma has arrived with her five children. They very much need skateboards and want to visit Microsoft. Are you able to help?




So what does the NSA make of the above? Washington DC or Washington State? Oysters are? Skateboards are...? Five children..?

The point I'm clumsily trying to make is that the NSA needs human intelligence to make sense of data and so far as I can work out they don't have anywhere near enough people. It would take a couple of million trained and trusted analysts to go through the data thrown up by the computers.

they can filter a lot of it by imposing criteria.
Ie, if youre an arab, korean, chinese, middle eastern etc.

Have i mentioned the kgb?

But i dont believe the capacity is there yet to monitor the full bandwidth of internet access.
Thats why we need to roll out high speed bb and fibre, so everything goes through one place.
Yay future!

[Akzle]

o. And osama, and his wmds


..bwahahahahahaaaaa.

The us is fucking stupid.

[mashman]

Dear Aunty Yashima, I have sent the two dozen oysters to you in Washington.

Dear Nephew Ephram, your aunt Pashma has arrived with her five children. They very much need skateboards and want to visit Microsoft. Are you able to help?

So what does the NSA make of the above? Washington DC or Washington State? Oysters are? Skateboards are...? Five children..?

The point I'm clumsily trying to make is that the NSA needs human intelligence to make sense of data and so far as I can work out they don't have anywhere near enough people. It would take a couple of million trained and trusted analysts to go through the data thrown up by the computers.

Take a look at an iPhone. Now ask Siri a question. Before an answer can be given the program has to interpret what has been asked. It turns that question into 1's and 0's, figures out what you're asking, and the formulates an answer from 1's and 0's. It then returns that answer in the form of speech. That's a phone.

Extrapolate that to a bank of supercomputers and then ask yourself, would they be able to "understand" the above emails?

[Akzle]

Take a look at an iPhone. Now ask Siri a question. Before an answer can be given the program has to interpret what has been asked. It turns that question into 1's and 0's, figures out what you're asking, and the formulates an answer from 1's and 0's. It then returns that answer in the form of speech. That's a phone.

Extrapolate that to a bank of supercomputers and then ask yourself, would they be able to "understand" the above emails?

most things are transmitted as hex. The binary process is almost irrelevant.

But yes. Any shit you do on line is available for anyone else online, who is so inclined.
Air gap that shit.

[pete376403]

Was bloody good one. I had no idea about Hughes Glomar Explorer being a scam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian

There was also a legitimate Glomar research boat - Challenger. (off topic) When I was doing my apprenticeship with GGH I was part of the team that reconditioned a pair (out of 10 or 12) of Caterpilar V12 engines while it was in Wellington back in the 70s. All of these engines drove generators for when it was drilling, The main ALCO engines were on the next deck down.
(And now back to our regularly scheduled program)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glomar_Challenger

[avgas]

The point I'm clumsily trying to make is that the NSA needs human intelligence to make sense of data and so far as I can work out they don't have anywhere near enough people. It would take a couple of million trained and trusted analysts to go through the data thrown up by the computers.
Thats where analysts and data scientists like myself come in.
Funny thing is people think this stuff is new - its not Librarians and Detectives have been doing this shit for years.

[avgas]

most things are transmitted as hex. The binary process is almost irrelevant.

But yes. Any shit you do on line is available for anyone else online, who is so inclined.
Air gap that shit.
Yes and No.

Still use binary a lot these days - especially when compacting data.
01 01 02 01 03 01...............0F 01
can become
01 0F 01
or even
FF

which is useless as HEX but if you know the algorithm and reverse it the bits are quite useful. e.g. turn all on
Likewise bitmaps, bit arrays, bit tables.........

Same with encryption algorithms and CRC's.

Every day I bash my head through a brick wall due to some moron stuffing up 0b10 with 0x10 etc
Binary heavily used with booleans (on/off/check/set/reset.....) and compacted for travel as HEX. Unless its hardwired/parallel, then bits are king.
But anything industrial control stuff usually had bit based code for a majority to make it simpler for the sparky's (Ladder or block bit logic). It is merely packed into HEX during data transmission due to protocol.

While I prefer to look at live comms in HEX, I usually have a sticky note with a hot list of bool to hex codes for stuff I am looking for. Or look at I/O in bool high/low rather than HEX for the whole card.

[blue rider]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticism


http://huehueteotl.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/panopticum_bentham.jpg

[flyingcrocodile46]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticism




Feck. More interesting reading :baby:

[avgas]

Is it actually a problem that I liked that prison design? Made a hell of a lot of sense to me.
Put a robot that travels the perimeter dishing food and another in the center that shoots anything living outside the cells.
You get up, eat you food, have a shit, go to sleep.....for 20 years.
Isolation at its best.

Prisons these days are too much of a home away from home.

[blue rider]

Is it actually a problem that I liked that prison design? Made a hell of a lot of sense to me.
Put a robot that travels the perimeter dishing food and another in the center that shoots anything living outside the cells.
You get up, eat you food, have a shit, go to sleep.....for 20 years.
Isolation at its best.

Prisons these days are too much of a home away from home.


consider this

http://www.inquisitr.com/823163/virginia-college-student-arrested-after-buying-bottled-water/ I might add that being charged with a felony and found "guilty" in many states of the free US will result in the loss of one rights to vote.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/27/texas-troopers-forcibly-arrest-72-year-old-woman-during-wendy-davis-filibuster/ this dear old lady clearly was a threat to the State Troopers

http://consumerist.com/2013/06/28/judge-issues-gag-order-in-trial-for-man-accused-of-writing-chalk-messages-outside-bofa-branches/ writing messages in water soluble chalk is clearly a felony warranting 10 odd years of prison

http://www.thecontroversialfiles.net/2013/05/high-school-student-faces-20-years-for.html being a Dumbarse will cost you 20

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2013/06/will-lt-gov-dewhurst-have-texas-media-arrested.html/ maybe the media incites the citizens excising their rights to representation to commit cheering and singing riots.

http://gawker.com/5976785/mississippi-just-arrests-school-kids-for-anything-including-farting farting....

http://stfuconservatives.tumblr.com/post/16895192354 oh the school to prison pipeline such a profitable cost centre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal and just if you thought that no judge would ever have kids send to prison .....well some actually got paid a Bounty


there are a lot of people in our prisons today (anywhere on this planet I might add) that are there for non - violent crimes, or buying water. You might want to re-consider your ideas of about shooting anything that lives outside a cell and what constitutes a home away from home.

welcome to the free world, as good as the old USSR

and if you believe that this can't happen here, Yea Tui.

[mashman]

:killingme :crybaby: :rofl: Europeans demand answers over alleged US bugging (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/17806793/europeans-demand-answers-over-alleged-us-bugging/)

[avgas]

consider thishttp://www.inquisitr.com/823163/virginia-college-student-arrested-after-buying-bottled-water/ I might add that being charged with a felony and found "guilty" in many states of the free US will result in the loss of one rights to vote.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/27/texas-troopers-forcibly-arrest-72-year-old-woman-during-wendy-davis-filibuster/ this dear old lady clearly was a threat to the State Troopers
http://consumerist.com/2013/06/28/judge-issues-gag-order-in-trial-for-man-accused-of-writing-chalk-messages-outside-bofa-branches/ writing messages in water soluble chalk is clearly a felony warranting 10 odd years of prison
http://www.thecontroversialfiles.net/2013/05/high-school-student-faces-20-years-for.html being a Dumbarse will cost you 20
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2013/06/will-lt-gov-dewhurst-have-texas-media-arrested.html/ maybe the media incites the citizens excising their rights to representation to commit cheering and singing riots.
http://gawker.com/5976785/mississippi-just-arrests-school-kids-for-anything-including-farting farting....
http://stfuconservatives.tumblr.com/post/16895192354 oh the school to prison pipeline such a profitable cost centre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal and just if you thought that no judge would ever have kids send to prison .....well some actually got paid a Bounty
there are a lot of people in our prisons today (anywhere on this planet I might add) that are there for non - violent crimes, or buying water. You might want to re-consider your ideas of about shooting anything that lives outside a cell and what constitutes a home away from home.
welcome to the free world, as good as the old USSR
and if you believe that this can't happen here, Yea Tui.
How many of those people were charged in a court of law? Arrogant cops can do what they want - it is the law that dictates who stays and who go's. In NZ we are lucky to have someone locked up.

[flyingcrocodile46]

:killingme :crybaby: :rofl: Europeans demand answers over alleged US bugging (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/17806793/europeans-demand-answers-over-alleged-us-bugging/)


I can't help wonder how much heat this stuff takes off the Syrian news front :shifty:

After all, it's not like it's a revelation to anyone who has any awareness and it certainly won't be news to any of the EU countries security agencies. <_<

[mashman]

It's NEWs. Remove the s, keep the caps, et la, entertainment. Those who want to keep up with what's going on around the world usually do and if nothing else, it shows that politicians can be held over a barrel by any nation that decides to blackmail them into doing as they please.

[blue rider]

How many of those people were charged in a court of law? Arrogant cops can do what they want - it is the law that dictates who stays and who go's. In NZ we are lucky to have someone locked up.

the girl buying water spend a night in jail, and the charge eventually got dismissed by a judge
the old lady is still locked up
the guy with the chalk had a gag order issued, same for juror and witnesses etc...and risk up to 13 years in prison
the kids sold buy judges to juvenile prison.....well some of them got jail, and the kids got fucked up for the rest of their lifes.



you can read?

[mashman]

the girl buying water spend a night in jail, and the charge eventually got dismissed by a judge
the old lady is still locked up
the guy with the chalk had a gag order issued, same for juror and witnesses etc...and risk up to 13 years in prison
the kids sold buy judges to juvenile prison.....well some of them got jail, and the kids got fucked up for the rest of their lifes.



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Fixed that for ya...

[avgas]

you can read?
Nah I got an NZ education.