Christchurch red zoners. And shit.

[Akzle]

i think the red zoners in chch who are having their shit disconnected have an ideal opportunity to start an eco commune, off grid, seperate nation state,
'fter all, if the council/govt wont provide service, they cant claim contractual authority

[Hitcher]

if the council/govt wont provide service, they cant claim contractual authority

Which is probably why the authorities are at such pains to keep people out.

[slofox]

I daresay Indoor Arenas, Conference Centres and the like are much more important than people, eh?

[Oscar]

I daresay Indoor Arenas, Conference Centres and the like are much more important than people, eh?

If you were a Christchurch rate payer, would you be happy paying to maintain services for these people?

[mashman]

If you were a Christchurch rate payer, would you be happy paying to maintain services for these people?

Yes I would. Would you?

[Akzle]

If you were a Christchurch rate payer, would you be happy paying to maintain services for these people?

err. Theyv actually been paying their own rates...

[blue rider]

If you were a Christchurch rate payer, would you be happy paying to maintain services for these people?

where would you want 'these people' to go to?

oh never mind....

[onearmedbandit]

I just want the fucking roads fixed.

[Akzle]

where would you want 'these people' to go to?

oh never mind....

jail. Lazy bludgers with no understanding of why money is great, the govt never lies and always acts for the greater good.

-dnt worry osk. I got your shit covered, you can gtfo my thread now.

[Akzle]

I just want the fucking roads fixed.

are they of significunts to national?

[SMOKEU]

Yes, we need a special commune for the "undesirable" members of society.

[Oscar]

err. Theyv actually been paying their own rates...

There's only 127 of them.

[Drew]

Yes, we need a special commune for the "undesirable" members of society.We've got a couple already.

One is called Otara, another is called Cannons creek. Another could be Waikanai, or Otaki, but for different reasons.

[Akzle]

There's only 127 of them.

i dont understand the question.

Are you saying they have not been paying rates?

Or just spouting diversionary irrelevant crap.

[Akzle]

Yes, we need a special commune for the "undesirable" members of society.

... Like white africans.

[Oscar]

i dont understand the question.

Are you saying they have not been paying rates?

Or just spouting diversionary irrelevant crap.

You are the master of irrelevant crap, so I'll defer to your expert knowledge.

[Drew]

... Like white africans.You talkin albinos, or proper white dudes?

[mashman]

There's only 127 of them.

So you wouldn't be happy paying for the services for these people if you were a Christchurch tax/rate payer?

[Akzle]

You are the master of irrelevant crap, so I'll defer to your expert knowledge.
three posts later and you haven't answered the first question.

mashy... make him go away!!

You talkin albinos, or proper white dudes?

it's called vitaligo. unfortunately smokey has the worst case of it...

[neels]

I think if they want to stay, let them stay, discount their rates bill for the services they are not being provided with.

If you look at the maps and add a bit of local knowledge, it doesn't take long to figure out that services to red zoned properties in many cases will have to be maintained, because they pass through red zoned areas to get to green zoned areas.

Just because someone has declined to accept an arbitary land zoning decision, and happen to be in the way of the sites for Gerry's personal pie factory and Bob's lizard people incubation centre, doesn't mean they should be denied essential services.

I have to wonder how they dreamed up the 50 million figure to maintain the services, if such a small part of the city costs that much then how is it that they can afford to reseal the roads in fendalton every 6 months whether they need it or not?

[blue rider]

what happen to all the love for chch and its inhabitants.

oh never mind....

[Berries]

what happen to all the love for chch and its inhabitants.
Alas that part of Manchester Street got munted.

[mashman]

three posts later and you haven't answered the first question.

mashy... make him go away!!


Nah mate, the dickheads all yours.


what happen to all the love for chch and its inhabitants.

oh never mind....

They had to go back to work and start fending for themselves again. C'est la vie.

[neels]

Alas that part of Manchester Street got munted.
Haven't been down there for a while then? Was in the paper the other day that the regulars have moved back in to their normal haunts, much to the relief of those living further north on Manchester street, who no longer have to clean up the mess from their front yards in the morning.

[HenryDorsetCase]

i think the red zoners in chch who are having their shit disconnected have an ideal opportunity to start an eco commune, off grid, seperate nation state,
'fter all, if the council/govt wont provide service, they cant claim contractual authority

yeah, sure. you forget that the state controls pretty much every aspect of life, plus tthere are other interested players like insurance companies and banks and all that. also the land is unsuitable for building and it is covered in broken houses and it is the middle of a pretty harsh winter so far. So yeah, next bright idea? Like all utopian ideas, yours is fatally flawed.

[Akzle]

yeah, sure. you forget that the state controls pretty much every aspect of life, plus tthere are other interested players like insurance companies and banks and all that. also the land is unsuitable for building and it is covered in broken houses and it is the middle of a pretty harsh winter so far. So yeah, next bright idea? Like all utopian ideas, yours is fatally flawed.

how?
. .

[Oscar]

three posts later and you haven't answered the first question.

mashy... make him go away!!




On the one hand, given that the authorities have red zoned the area, it would be unfair to charge them rates.
So if they want to stay there (on land that has been declared unfit for housing), it would be silly of them to expect that services would continue to be provided.

Why would you want help from that idiot, by the way?
Unlike him, you do occasionally make sense.

[SMOKEU]

... Like white africans.

No, we need more of them here.

[Akzle]

On the one hand, given that the authorities have red zoned the area, it would be unfair to charge them rates.
So if they want to stay there (on land that has been declared unfit for housing), it would be silly of them to expect that services would continue to be provided.
that still doesn't answer the question.
fact: they HAVE been paying rates.
SO, why should they not be receiving the 'services' that paying rates "entitles people to"?

asides from anything, my whole point in this thread was that they should tell the council to gtfo and be all hippy commune.

and f*ck the council, if i decide i want to live in an earthquaked house, who are they to tell me to move?
if they decide tomorrow that you're too gay to live, are you going to walk to the camps or pay for the bullet yourself?
or piss and moan about it?

(one of) your fundamental problem( s) is that you have faith in authority.


No, we need more of them here.

no one needs any of them.
anywhere.
except my mate ballas. he can stay. the rest can gtfo.

[mashman]

no one needs any of them.
anywhere.
except my mate ballas. he can stay. the rest can gtfo.

I've got one that I'd like to keep here too.

[Oscar]

[COLOR="#139922"]that still doesn't answer the question.
I had no idea it was compulsory. And it's more fun not too.



fact: they HAVE been paying rates.
SO, why should they not be receiving the 'services' that paying rates "entitles people to"?

asides from anything, my whole point in this thread was that they should tell the council to gtfo and be all hippy commune.

and f*ck the council, if i decide i want to live in an earthquaked house, who are they to tell me to move?
if they decide tomorrow that you're too gay to live, are you going to walk to the camps or pay for the bullet yourself?
or piss and moan about it?

(one of) your fundamental problem( s) is that you have faith in authority.

I have faith in common sense, and living in an EQ damaged house in an area that has been determined to be unsustainable, is not common sense.
Expecting your fellow ratepayers to maintain that area, when only a fraction of the people that previously lived there remain is not common sense.

As for pissing and/or moaning, no. I would leave that to the green fonted whingers of the world.
If it affected me personally, I would act.

[mashman]

If it affected me personally, I would act as though I give a shit.

Fixed for ya.

[Oscar]

Fixed for ya.

I didn't get where I am today by acting.

[Drew]

I didn't get where I am today by acting.Ya did so cunt.

I saw you on Shortland street just the other night!

[Oscar]

Ya did so cunt.

I saw you on Shortland street just the other night!

That’s a damn lie!
I was in Guatemala!

[mashman]

I didn't get where I am today by acting.

So inaction got you to where you are today. Go figure.

[mashman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvdNCDVmRPo

[Drew]

That’s a damn lie!
I was in Guatemala!This has been covered. You're not there now!

[Brian d marge]

Yes, we need a special commune for the "undesirable" members of society.

me, pick me ...oi mister , pick me !!!

Stephen

[Akzle]

Expecting your fellow ratepayers to maintain that area, when only a fraction of the people that previously lived there remain is not common sense.

what fellow rate payers? there's only 127 of them...

[Oscar]

what fellow rate payers? there's only 127 of them...

The entire City is paying.

[Akzle]

The entire City is paying.

but the entire city isnt entitled to the service?

Away with you, moron.

[Oscar]

but the entire city isnt entitled to the service?

Away with you, moron.

You keep trying to send me away.
You're a bit of a bully, ain't you.

Notwithstanding that, why should the whole city pay to maintain an area beyond saving?
Fix all the services in the red zone, and the next earthquake wrecks it.
Literally good money after bad.
No houses should have been built there in the first place, moron.

[mashman]

Notwithstanding that, why should the whole city pay to maintain an area beyond saving?
Fix all the services in the red zone, and the next earthquake wrecks it.
Literally good money after bad.
No houses should have been built there in the first place, moron.

Yet they'll pay to roll out broadband service to the far corners of the country because the telecoms industry doesn't want to? or put in irrigation schemes because businesses can't be arsed paying for those services themselves? Both at my expense where I am not in a far corner of the country and I don't benefit from irrigation schemes. Good money after bad indeed.
Would you say that about Wellington too? Perhaps the Wairarapa? Hawkes Bay? christ there'd be nowhere to live in NZ if we were worried about where was safe and what condition the land was in.

[AllanB]

Choices were given by Govt and insurers. All parties could have moved on. Fact is most have. If you were not insured ................. well .....


Red Zone was so 2011 ............



It is all about waiting for repairs/rebuilds and trying to find a rental to live in once your time comes up to repair/rebuild now. This will be CHCH for the next 3.5 years.

[BMWST?]

. This will be CHCH for the next 35 years.

fixt....................

[Brian d marge]

the first draft I saw of the "new CHCH" with all the parkland was very good absolutely brilliant

then "business " got involved , last time I checked the plan it sucked balls

My folks just bought four acres in Hamner springs .....o well , nice knowing u chch

Stephen

[SPman]

then "business " got involved , last time I checked the plan it sucked ballsThat's what normally happens, isn't it!

[Brian d marge]

Don't forget the homos , too many homos in chch , lurking , hiding in the park , waiting to pounce on the unsuspecting

Stephen

[McFatty1000]

I just want the fucking roads fixed.

Amen to this - just try mc cormicks bay road - they were literally throwing sand bags into the pot holes:facepalm: