Parents avoid jail for mistreating children [Archive]

98tls

1st July 2013, 16:12

Poor kids. Shame they can't be left with the parents and the parents told that if they can't sort their shit out they should be put to death.

Far as i am concerned much of the blame can be landed on those employed to deal with such parents before and when they get to court,its not exactly a new thing to have parents abusing/neglecting there kids in this country its been going on for years but still we hear this "slipped through the cracks" bullshit whilst when they finally go to court we still have judges handing out setences that are nothing but rubbish,take the drink driving issue for instance comparable to this event how?because they simply refuse to hand out harsher sentences,they do no end of talking about it but then...suddenly nothing happens.

mashman

1st July 2013, 18:12

Far as i am concerned much of the blame can be landed on those employed to deal with such parents before and when they get to court,its not exactly a new thing to have parents abusing/neglecting there kids in this country its been going on for years but still we hear this "slipped through the cracks" bullshit whilst when they finally go to court we still have judges handing out setences that are nothing but rubbish,take the drink driving issue for instance comparable to this event how?because they simply refuse to hand out harsher sentences,they do no end of talking about it but then...suddenly nothing happens.

What goes on behind closed doors etc... whilst I agree with you, to a point, in regards to the authorities, they can only do so much with an ever decreasing budget and an ever growing number of cases. Aye, there's plenty of wet bus ticket sentences, although you could argue that's compassion... although it's likely a case of turning up apologising and then throwing a party for getting one over on the man. Tis one of the many reasons I want the world without money as there are absolutely no excuses then and it's likely more people would be happier with having the death sentence reintroduced, the kids would also get looked after as the resources would be there to look after the kids properly etc... It's a pisstake really innit. But yeah, home D, community service and a wee fine, maybe a month in the clink really does nothing to address the issue. But what does?

Akzle

1st July 2013, 19:19

gwigs

1st July 2013, 19:27

98tls

1st July 2013, 19:32

dude. No one in the "justice" system gives a fuck. They get PAID either way. Repeat business is great for business.

Correct to a point though i know a few coppers that do.Biggest problem the way i see it is that theres an enormous army of otherwise unemployable do-gooders backing up every piece of shite,seems the victims of said shites crimes pretty much stand alone and face some old cunt thats long since lost touch with the real world.

98tls

1st July 2013, 19:36

I wonder how much if this sort of behaviour has been learned from the parents of the parents etc..
It not acceptable but I can see that it could be passed on from one generation to the next..
The cycle needs to be broken in these cases..

The cycle will be continued until somebody points out its not acceptable,a few hours community service:facepalm:

Akzle

1st July 2013, 19:44

The cycle will be continued until somebody points out its not acceptable,a few hours community service:facepalm:

it will continue until shit changes so as to not facilitate it. Ie, remove the PROFIT from it all.

98tls

1st July 2013, 19:55

it will continue until shit changes so as to not facilitate it. Ie, remove the PROFIT from it all.

I suggest fencing off the Northern Isle for a start.If and when someone fucks up on the mainland we drop them off just North of Picton with a wave and good wishes,if indeed there lucky enough to arrive the gates are opened and you lot can do that foreshore thing.

Laava

1st July 2013, 22:09

Maybe these kids should be placed with the Harawiras for some quality role modelling

MIXONE

2nd July 2013, 00:59

The judge needs a bloody good talking too.That should sort her out.

unstuck

2nd July 2013, 06:58

dude. No one in the "justice" system gives a fuck. They get PAID either way. Repeat business is great for business.

After my recent experience in court, I have to say I agree. Seemed to be all about keeping the justic departement busy and employed.:(

BoristheBiter

2nd July 2013, 07:37

What goes on behind closed doors etc... whilst I agree with you, to a point, in regards to the authorities, they can only do so much with an ever decreasing budget and an ever growing number of cases. Aye, there's plenty of wet bus ticket sentences, although you could argue that's compassion... although it's likely a case of turning up apologising and then throwing a party for getting one over on the man. Tis one of the many reasons I want the world without money as there are absolutely no excuses then and it's likely more people would be happier with having the death sentence reintroduced, the kids would also get looked after as the resources would be there to look after the kids properly etc... It's a pisstake really innit. But yeah, home D, community service and a wee fine, maybe a month in the clink really does nothing to address the issue. But what does?

Money, or lack of, has nothing to do with bad parenting.
This is a community/family issue. When other family/friends start telling these mongrels that it is not all right to treat their kids like that then something will change until then it will carry on.

And this is the community you want to hand shit over to with your fanciful scheme of no money?

BoristheBiter

2nd July 2013, 07:41

"judge Thomas acknowledged the troubled past of the father":niceone:Same shit different day.The parents are not the only problem here,judge Thomas needs a kick up the arse as well.Coppers must sit in court shaking there heads thinking why the fuck do we bother.

Wait a few moments and someone will blame it on the cops handing out speeding tickets and not doing their job.

But they do, cops spend hours on these files just to have them back out on the streets doing the same shit again.
Our whole system is so fucked up but no one has the balls to fix it.

scissorhands

2nd July 2013, 08:47

Our whole system is so fucked up but no one has the balls to fix it.

here I iz:lol:
plenty of white knights but they keep getting shot down by other white knights
friendly fire.... when we are all on the same side....
there must be a good general somewhere around here.....
or are we all misguided gorillas

mashman

2nd July 2013, 09:27

Money, or lack of, has nothing to do with bad parenting.
This is a community/family issue. When other family/friends start telling these mongrels that it is not all right to treat their kids like that then something will change until then it will carry on.

And this is the community you want to hand shit over to with your fanciful scheme of no money?

Of course it does. I grant you it's not the main factor bad parenting, but even still it has an influence on what gets bought and what doesn't. My main "gripe" in the money stakes is that there isn't enough for CYFS to hire enough people to deal with the volume of incidents, leading to heavier case loads and limiting the amount of time spent building relationships with those "bad" parents. The money also dictates how easy it is to relocate the kids and look after them whilst away from their parents or indeed to remove them from their parents entirely. No doubt there are many other reasons where extra $ could help.
You may well be right there... however you need these people to be around to notice what's going on.

Yes, very much so. It will solve the money issue, meaning that more people will be available to join CYFS, the $ required for removing and looking after the kids whilst away from their parents won't be a consideration. If they drink themselves to death, meh, the kids will be looked after and not shoveled into some hovel that relies on govt funding. My fanciful scheme can achieve that which yours can't in the support respect... and if the support isn't going to make a difference, then why are we bothering in the first place?

scissorhands

2nd July 2013, 09:41

better TV programming could fix a whole swag of social problems, no problemo

in fact, TV is be responsible for a large degree of harm, especially to those most vulnerable

themes of family discord and unharmonious relationships are commonly featured/encouraged

All in the family
Copulation street
most family sitcoms

avgas

2nd July 2013, 10:07

Not that I particularly subscribe to the argument
I partially do. I think that a certain license should be achieved - showing that you will have a providing environment.
These are kids we are talking about after all - not dolls.

BoristheBiter

2nd July 2013, 10:20

Of course it does. I grant you it's not the main factor bad parenting, but even still it has an influence on what gets bought and what doesn't. My main "gripe" in the money stakes is that there isn't enough for CYFS to hire enough people to deal with the volume of incidents, leading to heavier case loads and limiting the amount of time spent building relationships with those "bad" parents. The money also dictates how easy it is to relocate the kids and look after them whilst away from their parents or indeed to remove them from their parents entirely. No doubt there are many other reasons where extra $ could help.
You may well be right there... however you need these people to be around to notice what's going on.

Yes, very much so. It will solve the money issue, meaning that more people will be available to join CYFS, the $ required for removing and looking after the kids whilst away from their parents won't be a consideration. If they drink themselves to death, meh, the kids will be looked after and not shoveled into some hovel that relies on govt funding. My fanciful scheme can achieve that which yours can't in the support respect... and if the support isn't going to make a difference, then why are we bothering in the first place?

No money is no factor in the raising of children. if you have to go without so your children can have, then so be it. If this doesn't sit well with you then you shouldn't be having kids.

Cyfs are not here to raise some one else's children, they are there to offer help when needed and the problem it these fuckers think they are good parents so tell cyfs to fuck off.

Your fanciful scheme is just another ambo at the bottom of the cliff again showing that money has nothing to do with it.

mashman

2nd July 2013, 10:33

No money is no factor in the raising of children. if you have to go without so your children can have, then so be it. If this doesn't sit well with you then you shouldn't be having kids.

Cyfs are not here to raise some one else's children, they are there to offer help when needed and the problem it these fuckers think they are good parents so tell cyfs to fuck off.

Your fanciful scheme is just another ambo at the bottom of the cliff again showing that money has nothing to do with it.

Blubshit. Try bringing up kids without money. Yes going without is all noble and the right things to do etc... but how does that help the kids when the adult is ill? They probably only had kids so that they could get free money ;)

CYFS and resources for looking getting kids away from that environment and looking after them until things get sorted are under resourced. End of!

Wubbish. It highlights the failings of money.

avgas

2nd July 2013, 11:27

Wubbish. It highlights the failings of money.
So all rich parents are the best parents?

blue rider

2nd July 2013, 12:14

So all rich parents are the best parents?

according to many yes.

mashman

2nd July 2013, 12:39

So all rich parents are the best parents?

A bad parent is a bad parent irrespective of money. However financial pressure is high up there on the list of affecting behaviour. Fortunately rich folk can afford to bring in good people to raise their kids whilst they party.

scumdog

2nd July 2013, 12:48

BoristheBiter

2nd July 2013, 13:01

Blubshit. Try bringing up kids without money. Yes going without is all noble and the right things to do etc... but how does that help the kids when the adult is ill? They probably only had kids so that they could get free money ;)

CYFS and resources for looking getting kids away from that environment and looking after them until things get sorted are under resourced. End of!

Wubbish. It highlights the failings of money.

Bullshit, show me some one in NZ with no money and i will show you some that has bad budgeting. (mind you that last sentence in the first paragraph is probably true)

Stop blaming money for shit people, you get rich wankers and poor wankers and the only thing in common is they are wankers.

It highlights the failings of people.

scissorhands

2nd July 2013, 13:02

A bad parent is a bad parent irrespective of money. However financial pressure is high up there on the list of affecting behaviour. Fortunately rich folk can afford to bring in good people to raise their kids whilst they party.

Sometimes poverty can make a good child...
It [mostly] comes down to parenting
Mine were utter shite

Many polynesians and low income families have undiagnosed mental conditions
These tend to be the abusers
no help for them
And no help for their spawn

Adding low intelligence to the mix
and adding alcohol and/or drugs
magnifies the mental condition's

gammaguy

2nd July 2013, 13:14

Banditbandit

2nd July 2013, 13:19

I partially do. I think that a certain license should be achieved - showing that you will have a providing environment.
These are kids we are talking about after all - not dolls.

Yeah .. I agree with you more than probably came through with my comment ... but like most things who decides get the snip? That's a major concern ... it's only the a small pathway to Eugenics etc ..

Banditbandit

2nd July 2013, 13:20

And the ones that are neither rich nor poor??

Pay the most taxes ...

Banditbandit

2nd July 2013, 13:23

Sometimes poverty can make a good child...
It [mostly] comes down to parenting
Mine were utter shite

Yeah mine too .. started off poor .. and angry/violent - wound up middle class and angry ...

Many polynesians and low income families have undiagnosed mental conditions
These tend to be the abusers
no help for them
And no help for their spawn

Adding low intelligence to the mix
and adding alcohol and/or drugs
magnifies the mental condition's

No .. that's common to all groups .. just the middle class and wealthy are better at hiding it ... and less likely to have police involvement - therefore it is hidden - but is still there.

Low intelligence and drugs/alcohol abuse cross all classes .. again just better hidden in the middle and wealthy classes.

scissorhands

2nd July 2013, 13:32

Yeah mine too .. started off poor .. and angry/violent - wound up middle class and angry ...

No .. that's common to all groups .. just the middle class and wealthy are better at hiding it ... and less likely to have police involvement - therefore it is hidden - but is still there.

Low intelligence and drugs/alcohol abuse cross all classes .. again just better hidden in the middle and wealthy classes.

The poor must have some [general] common ground, neurology, lowered intelligence [either genetic or environmental] and food, drug, TV... addictions must be the common markers showing a trend toward poverty?

A Hindu would suggest family karma, but that bullshit is political to support a class society, Brahma being omnipotent

That said, most high class Maori and Hindu are finely breed, however, mostly a condition of wealth attracting the better brides/mothers

Poverty does not attract the better brides, so then genetics exasperate the situation for the poor.

Nature based capitalist doctrine....

Matthew 13.12
And the disciples came, and said to him, Why speak you to them in parables? 11He answered and said to them, Because it is given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whoever has, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whoever has not, from him shall be taken away even that he has. …

mashman

2nd July 2013, 14:08

And the ones that are neither rich nor poor??

Hmmmmmm, let me see now... A bad parent is a bad parent irrespective of money. However financial pressure is high up there on the list of affecting behaviour. Depending on how rich folk are, they may be able to afford to bring in good people to raise their kids whilst they party.

Bullshit, show me some one in NZ with no money and i will show you some that has bad budgeting. (mind you that last sentence in the first paragraph is probably true)

Stop blaming money for shit people, you get rich wankers and poor wankers and the only thing in common is they are wankers.

It highlights the failings of people.

According to a figure that Ocean threw up about 55% of the population. You've forgotten how expensive things are havenchoo. And you've also forgotten that people deserve to have a life that involved 3 good meals per day, 1 night out per week, a car that never breaks down, access to the internet etc...

Money is a major factor in people's behaviour. Sure a wanker is a wanker, but it takes a person to decide that a person is a wanker, where there may well be 30 other people that feel that the wanker label doesn't belong.

It does, I'm not denying that, but if there aren't enough people to deal with the cases that arise, then that's down to there not being enough money... similarly with the other support services. Sure if everyone was perfect we wouldn't need those services, but they're not and those services are needed to help shield those kids from as much harm as possible. That takes money at every turn.

Sometimes poverty can make a good child...
It [mostly] comes down to parenting
Mine were utter shite

Many polynesians and low income families have undiagnosed mental conditions
These tend to be the abusers
no help for them
And no help for their spawn

Adding low intelligence to the mix
and adding alcohol and/or drugs
magnifies the mental condition's

I agree. Mine parents were great, I was shite.

Aye, services at a minimum because there's not enough cash and those people are just not worth it because they're mentally fucked and not helping themselves... is probably the way the calculated bean counter looks at things.

We get what we pay for :)

BoristheBiter

2nd July 2013, 15:15

According to a figure that Ocean threw up about 55% of the population. You've forgotten how expensive things are havenchoo. And you've also forgotten that people deserve to have a life that involved 3 good meals per day, 1 night out per week, a car that never breaks down, access to the internet etc...

Money is a major factor in people's behaviour. Sure a wanker is a wanker, but it takes a person to decide that a person is a wanker, where there may well be 30 other people that feel that the wanker label doesn't belong.

It does, I'm not denying that, but if there aren't enough people to deal with the cases that arise, then that's down to there not being enough money... similarly with the other support services. Sure if everyone was perfect we wouldn't need those services, but they're not and those services are needed to help shield those kids from as much harm as possible. That takes money at every turn.

I know exactly how much things cost, I know exactly where my money goes, if I didn't my company would go down the tubes very quickly.
It's called budgeting and saving for a rainy day or living within my means.

Why do people deserve anything? if that is so whom will pay for my night out, my new car or my access to the interweb?
It is up to me to provide these things for me, it was up to my parents to show me how.

If 30 people label him a wanker,or not, it doesn't matter if he has money or not.
That's the community telling him to pull his socks up/ or carry on the way he is, again nothing to do with money.

Yes CYPS don't have the resources but like i said they are the ambo at the bottom with society looking down from the top.

scumdog

2nd July 2013, 16:00

While successive NZ governments continue to suck the dick of the all powerful breweries,and see alcohol as the national pacifier and anaesthetic,nothing will change

I grew up in Waitangirua,and it is no coincidence the local liquor stores were and no doubt still are extremely well patronised.coincidentally the area had an alarmingly high rate of crime,domestic violence and broken families

Coincidence?

I think not

I'm with this guy!!!
Too much influence and 'persuasion' by the brewerys/liquor sales people who don't care a jot about the damage their product causes. (Sounds just like drug barons eh...).

And I was lucky enough to visit Waitangirua in the early 70's - for a country boy it was a shock to see a bottle-store with a heavy-duty set of steel bars across the counter.

mashman

2nd July 2013, 16:23

I know exactly how much things cost, I know exactly where my money goes, if I didn't my company would go down the tubes very quickly.
It's called budgeting and saving for a rainy day or living within my means.

Why do people deserve anything? if that is so whom will pay for my night out, my new car or my access to the interweb?
It is up to me to provide these things for me, it was up to my parents to show me how.

If 30 people label him a wanker,or not, it doesn't matter if he has money or not.
That's the community telling him to pull his socks up/ or carry on the way he is, again nothing to do with money.

Yes CYPS don't have the resources but like i said they are the ambo at the bottom with society looking down from the top.

Do things cost any more as your buying power diminishes?
Oooooo budgeting when you've got fuck all and a trip to the Dr's can set you back weeks if not months until you get square... and then there's another trip to the Dr.

Because they are people.

I wasn't saying that one followed the other as they were and are 2 separate points as you highlight... although I have heard a few people comment that since friends have come into money they have turned into a wanker.

Yes they are the ambo but we need need more ambo's. And if society is standing looking down, then society has dropped the people in the first place, or maybe even pushed them. It takes a village to raise a child and the character of that village is defined by how they treat the weak, helpless, vulnerable and wankers. You chucking them off the cliff ain't helping.

unstuck

2nd July 2013, 16:44

I'm with this guy!!!
Too much influence and 'persuasion' by the brewerys/liquor sales people who don't care a jot about the damage their product causes. (Sounds just like drug barons eh...).

And I was lucky enough to visit Waitangirua in the early 70's - for a country boy it was a shock to see a bottle-store with a heavy-duty set of steel bars across the counter.

Working in the shearing industry earlier this year really opened my eyes to a whole new drinking culture that I had not really thought would be tolerated by employers, but in a couple of cases it was the employers initiating these drinking sessions. I was actually shocked at the reaction of most of the shearers, when a farmer refused to provide alcohol for the crew, they would hide the pins for the press, or intentionally cut a sheep or two, or leave the taps going in the sink or stupid shit like that. I dont think I will be going back when they start up again in a couple of weeks.:oi-grr:

Akzle

2nd July 2013, 18:05

mashman wins this thread.
:first:
fuck off home, the rest of you.

Laava

2nd July 2013, 18:18

scumdog

2nd July 2013, 18:23

It takes a village to raise a child and the character of that village is defined by how they treat the weak, helpless, vulnerable and wankers. You chucking them off the cliff ain't helping.

It will improve the herd...

Akzle

2nd July 2013, 18:24

Is this a poem or a song?

yes

. .

mashman

2nd July 2013, 19:51

mashman wins this thread.
:first:
fuck off home, the rest of you.

Cool the fuck as. Waddooawin?

It will improve the herd...

:rofl: no it won't, coz you can only measure who is weak using your yardstick. You may be throwing your only chance for survival off the cliff because of their cleft pallet, funny voice and the different line of thinking that they offer. Anyhoo, we're not a herd, we're parasites, well, "you" are.

98tls

2nd July 2013, 20:17

Cool the fuck as. Waddooawin?

Anyhoo, we're not a herd, we're parasites, well, "you" are.

Na hes not M,in this country we have whole suburbs full of parasites and have had for years there just getting bigger.Can remember driving through Cannons Creek 20 years ago thinking welcome to New Zealands future,its played out pretty much as i thought.

mashman

2nd July 2013, 20:23

Na hes not M,in this country we have whole suburbs full of parasites and have had for years there just getting bigger.Can remember driving through Cannons Creek 20 years ago thinking welcome to New Zealands future,its played out pretty much as i thought.

Fuck you for spoiling my fun :bleh:... unfortunately I have some rather bad news for ya. The guy across the road used to be a coppa in the UK, Sarf Landan (South London to you) and he now works in the Creek. He laughs at people who think that the Creek is a bad place by comparison. So the bad news is, it's going to get much worse. Having said that I'll feel at home if nothing else.

scumdog

2nd July 2013, 20:26

Anyhoo, we're not a herd, we're parasites, well, "you" are.

I'll try to remember that the next time I'm at work and anybody wants any assistance or attention from me, I'll say "mashy reckons I'm a parasite - and parasites are all about sucking the life-blood out of you and give back nothing - so piss off"

mashman

2nd July 2013, 20:31

I'll try to remember that the next time I'm at work and anybody wants any assistance or attention from me, I'll say "mashy reckons I'm a parasite - and parasites are all about sucking the life-blood out of you and give back nothing - so piss off"

Once you've done that, send them to my address:

Corner of Molesworth Street and Lambton Quay,
Wellington

and then ask them if they feel like getting symbiotic. Tag on a, man, should things look like they're gonna get dicey... that shit could save yer life.

98tls

2nd July 2013, 20:42

Fuck you for spoiling my fun :bleh:... unfortunately I have some rather bad news for ya. The guy across the road used to be a coppa in the UK, Sarf Landan (South London to you) and he now works in the Creek. He laughs at people who think that the Creek is a bad place by comparison. So the bad news is, it's going to get much worse. Having said that I'll feel at home if nothing else.

Not bad news to me mate its old news,ive just gotten used to it.

mashman

2nd July 2013, 21:07

Not bad news to me mate its old news,ive just gotten used to it.

See when I was talking about parasites earlier........ :shifty:

mashman

2nd July 2013, 22:55

More people resign from Glenn Inquiry (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/17830369/more-people-resign-from-glenn-inquiry/)

Seems like a strange situation. Why would all of these people resign? Just because one of the members assaulted someone 10 years ago? I'm not saying that that isn't important, but surely the inquiry into child abuse and domestic violence is more important?

scissorhands

2nd July 2013, 23:18

Is this a poem or a song?

From the negative responses it could be called a swan song....

Remember if I say Polynesian, I may be actually referring to the mixed colonial honky genes that should not have replicated if they stayed in England instead of migrating

I still maintain
No farmer would survive treating his gene pool in such an uncaring manner. Why breed stock from end of line units destined for illness? Is that not a cause of suffering for the offspring?
My parents should never have spawned but then its too late, I'm here now:bleh:

Abortion lowers crime http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect

The effect of legalized abortion on crime (sometimes referred to as the Donohue-Levitt hypothesis) is the theory that legal abortion reduces crime. Proponents of the theory generally argue that since unwanted children are more likely to become criminals and that an inverse correlation is observed between the availability of abortion and subsequent crime. Moreover, children born under these conditions are usually less fortunate as enough preparation was not put in place for their birth and upbringing. In particular, it is argued that the legalization of abortion in the United States, largely due to the Supreme Court's decision in Roe v. Wade, has reduced crime in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. Opponents generally reject these statistics, and argue that abortion has negative effects on society or decrease in crime is brought about in other ways.

As much as this may appear abhorrent, breeding unhealthy or unwanted people is a massive FAIL.
I should know.... you don't think its hard for me to admit?? Ya think I may be qualified to comment?

My mum wanted into the west and a late chance at children, and dad was horny and needed a bride to get a $$ job at the UN. Viola here I iz!

scissorhands

2nd July 2013, 23:23

mashman

3rd July 2013, 18:47

The enquiry is corrupt, not resigning on such an important matter makes one corrupt too. Obviously, the envisioned end result is disheartening for those who left

Why is it corrupt? Are they not counting properly? Jesus if everyone left because of corruption there'd never be a govt.

scissorhands

3rd July 2013, 19:05

Why is it corrupt? Are they not counting properly? Jesus if everyone left because of corruption there'd never be a govt.

Think about it....
No money in fixing shit is there??

In fact, wars, disharmony at home, disharmony in the community, polarity of opposites ie red/blue politics
poor health, disharmonizing media film TV and music...

Blessed be the suffering children....

If Owen Glen was to do the right thing by children
Sales of alcohol, junk food, medicines, Hollywood et al would plummet

He wants a white wash and to pull good decent people down with his white knight disguised bullshit

AWAKE!!!

mashman

3rd July 2013, 20:12

Think about it....
No money in fixing shit is there??

In fact, wars, disharmony at home, disharmony in the community, polarity of opposites ie red/blue politics
poor health, disharmonizing media film TV and music...

Blessed be the suffering children....

If Owen Glen was to do the right thing by children
Sales of alcohol, junk food, medicines, Hollywood et al would plummet

He wants a white wash and to pull good decent people down with his white knight disguised bullshit

AWAKE!!!

I get that no money in fixing shit... although I reckon the findings probably wouldn't be politically popular, which is a seriously bad reflection on all govts and how they see the issue, or don't as the case seems to be.

So all of them are corrupt? If not, would you leave? Wouldn't you be even more determined to plough on?

scissorhands

4th July 2013, 00:08

I get that no money in fixing shit... although I reckon the findings probably wouldn't be politically popular, which is a seriously bad reflection on all govts and how they see the issue, or don't as the case seems to be.

So all of them are corrupt? If not, would you leave? Wouldn't you be even more determined to plough on?

I come from a long line of quitters, determination is not in my vocabulary. 13 high profile people leaving the study shows it for what it is.

Prolly at least half the world has been corrupted by brain virus and trojan.

I have written some code that I endeavour to splice onto these bugs, and send them back into artspace

NZ ranks 2nd worst in developed countries for bullying. NZ high rate of infanticide and abuse is a symptom of NZ bullying culture.

'Undiagnosed autism's amongst NZ most vulnerable, least educated and lower socio economic population is a major driver of child abuse.
The seeds of child abuse were sown by early settlers of dubious mental health who came to NZ in search of a better life and mated with the natives.'

maybe I should join the study! I wonder how much the above paragraph is worth?

My mate has been dating a bikini model Samoan Irish girl. Very beautiful, intelligent but crazy as fuck, thanks to her Irish dad [military man] who is a high functioning autistic. My mate has now split up with her and I know where she works IYKWIM:wings:

I have dated beautiful half autistic cross breeds when I was a young man... lovely to look at... smart.... emotional intelligence of a 12 yr old... needy and lost due to an undiagnosed disorder

Could be a match made in heaven but no.... no no
A ship needs a rudder:niceone:

avgas

4th July 2013, 00:21

Yeah .. I agree with you more than probably came through with my comment ... but like most things who decides get the snip? That's a major concern ... it's only the a small pathway to Eugenics etc ..
Fuck that. The last think kids need to be called Eugene. :laugh:

avgas

4th July 2013, 00:26

I come from a long line of quitters, determination is not in my vocabulary. 13 high profile people leaving the study shows it for what it is.

Prolly at least half the world has been corrupted by brain virus and trojan.

I have written some code that I endeavour to splice onto these bugs, and send them back into artspace

NZ ranks 2nd worst in developed countries for bullying. NZ high rate of infanticide and abuse is a symptom of NZ bullying culture.

'Undiagnosed autism's amongst NZ most vulnerable, least educated and lower socio economic population is a major driver of child abuse.
The seeds of child abuse were sown by early settlers of dubious mental health who came to NZ in search of a better life and mated with the natives.'

maybe I should join the study! I wonder how much the above paragraph is worth?

My mate has been dating a bikini model Samoan Irish girl. Very beautiful, intelligent but crazy as fuck, thanks to her Irish dad [military man] who is a high functioning autistic. My mate has now split up with her and I know where she works IYKWIM:wings:

I have dated beautiful half autistic cross breeds when I was a young man... lovely to look at... smart.... emotional intelligence of a 12 yr old... needy and lost due to an undiagnosed disorder

Could be a match made in heaven but no.... no no
A ship needs a rudder:niceone:
The left part of my brain agrees with you. The right part of my brain wants to eat chicken.
Cortex wants sex and or sleep and frontal lobe has started to hum the Mr Whippy song.

Banditbandit

4th July 2013, 14:45

The left part of my brain agrees with you. The right part of my brain wants to eat chicken.
Cortex wants sex and or sleep and frontal lobe has started to hum the Mr Whippy song.

It's called Greensleeves - and fuck you for that - now so is mine !!!! Damm you ...

mashman

4th July 2013, 22:34

I come from a long line of quitters, determination is not in my vocabulary. 13 high profile people leaving the study shows it for what it is.

Prolly at least half the world has been corrupted by brain virus and trojan.

I have written some code that I endeavour to splice onto these bugs, and send them back into artspace

NZ ranks 2nd worst in developed countries for bullying. NZ high rate of infanticide and abuse is a symptom of NZ bullying culture.

'Undiagnosed autism's amongst NZ most vulnerable, least educated and lower socio economic population is a major driver of child abuse.
The seeds of child abuse were sown by early settlers of dubious mental health who came to NZ in search of a better life and mated with the natives.'

maybe I should join the study! I wonder how much the above paragraph is worth?

My mate has been dating a bikini model Samoan Irish girl. Very beautiful, intelligent but crazy as fuck, thanks to her Irish dad [military man] who is a high functioning autistic. My mate has now split up with her and I know where she works IYKWIM:wings:

I have dated beautiful half autistic cross breeds when I was a young man... lovely to look at... smart.... emotional intelligence of a 12 yr old... needy and lost due to an undiagnosed disorder

Could be a match made in heaven but no.... no no
A ship needs a rudder:niceone:

Ah well, it's only kids and people who won't complain... it ain't as if anyone notices.

Nailin yer loony mates ex should be highly entertaining for him. I have watched similar happen before and it's fuckin hilarious when they deny that it'll happen to them. Keep it under six months ;). Might I suggest you add a dash of Catholicism in there next time, just for that added extra crazy :D

scissorhands

4th July 2013, 22:46

Keep it under six months ;):D

Oh yeah like I'm going to give up a total babe when 6 months is up... its a long time between drinks for some auties

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mashman

4th July 2013, 22:50

Oh yeah like I'm going to give up a total babe when 6 months is up... its a long time between drinks for some auties

Bon chance mon ami... watch out for flying objects and right hooks for no particular reason :D

Road kill

5th July 2013, 22:07

Sometimes poverty can make a good child...
It [mostly] comes down to parenting
Mine were utter shite

Many polynesians and low income families have undiagnosed mental conditions
These tend to be the abusers
no help for them
And no help for their spawn

Adding low intelligence to the mix
and adding alcohol and/or drugs
magnifies the mental condition's

So all we have to do is identify people like you an sterilize them before breeding age and it will all be good from there on in ?

Sorry but you spend a lot of time telling people about your mental issues "boring as hell btw" and then you also say you have shite parents.

The lines over there mate,,just wait your turn aye.

scissorhands

5th July 2013, 22:17

So all we have to do is identify people like you an sterilize them before breeding age and it will all be good from there on in ?

Sorry but you spend a lot of time telling people about your mental issues "boring as hell btw" and then you also say you have shite parents.

The lines over there mate,,just wait your turn aye.

Your the first to complain.
I thought I was offering good advice
Rather than the usual KB hand wringing when these atrocities make the news....

All they need is a diagnoses at school, rather than trying to be 'normal'.
But sterilizations, pre pregnancy screenings and financial incentives will all come to pass one day soon.

Now with awareness, screenings and recommendations for downs syndrome, very few downs children are conceived compared to a few years ago. Most other birth defects can be avoided too

Sorry to bore you with this type of talk, but some others might find it interesting?

I'm trying to help families and NZ achieve a healthier population.....

What are you doing?

newhere

6th July 2013, 01:11

Money, or lack of, has nothing to do with bad parenting...

I think that a certain license should be achieved - showing that you will have a providing environment.
These are kids we are talking about after all - not dolls...

No money is no factor in the raising of children. if you have to go without so your children can have, then so be it. If this doesn't sit well with you then you shouldn't be having kids. Cyfs are not here to raise some one else's children, they are there to offer help when needed...

You guys are awesome, I really like the way you put these. There are heaps of others but I couldn't bothered quoting them all...

It really doesn't matter which way we slice and dice it, or who is right or wrong in our posts, at the end of it all there are still a bunch of little kids out there without parents who will take care of their basic needs let alone provide any kind of healthy emotional environment for them. I can't stand it, it sucks, as a parent I can't wrap my head around what kind of person could do this stuff to a child, it SUCKS! As to what to do about it, who the fuck knows but I personally disagree that it comes down to money or race, its more about basic humanity and some people just don't have any idea.

BoristheBiter

6th July 2013, 07:21

Your the first to complain.
I thought I was offering good advice
Rather than the usual KB hand wringing when these atrocities make the news....

All they need is a diagnoses at school, rather than trying to be 'normal'.
But sterilizations, pre pregnancy screenings and financial incentives will all come to pass one day soon.

Now with awareness, screenings and recommendations for downs syndrome, very few downs children are conceived compared to a few years ago. Most other birth defects can be avoided too

Sorry to bore you with this type of talk, but some others might find it interesting?

I'm trying to help families and NZ achieve a healthier population.....

What are you doing?

It just seems in your posts that you want to label everyone that does something wrong/bad/stupid with a disorder.
It sounds more like making excuses than awareness but i just think that is how you post so never have bothered you about it.
But yes it has become a bit ............ repetitive.

scissorhands

6th July 2013, 08:19

Okay.

My first hand experience of growing up with an undiagnosed disorder...
ripped the family apart really
sister hated me to death, she got fat and turned into a hippo till her mid 30's
I carried on in my youngest child fantasy world, whilst waiting to become a stoner as an adult to mitigate the ill feeling of others
parents were lost as no professional opinion was offered
parents had genetic problems themselves.....
mother tried to take her life
dad was an alcoholic
but he had 2 masters degrees with honours?
shirley that indicates no problems???

Many kids take their own lives too
Youtube 'bullied to death'
Most severely bullied kids have
*undiagnosed hidden [to most] birth defects*
lucky for me I was good at sports, and had a loving mum

A wise old woman once said
'its all in the breeding dearie'

peeps with new ideas get harangued till general acceptance occurs
all change happens this way
some proponents of change get arrested and worse!!
the herd dont want no non noddies
we must all nod together
seig heil!
nod nod

But seeing as many here are afraid of change
I will endeavour to not be 'repetitive'

It seems many prefer the voice of authority telling them how things are. Sorry kiddies, your being lied too!

Next time a really sick kid is in the news [needing an operation or whatever], check the parents. You may notice something is amiss if you look carefully

Odd genetics also make champions and innovators, so its a fine line to walk. Brilliance and insanity are only a kiss away.

Same as models of vehicles. Some are shit, some like this, some like that. Things change in time, Skoda got good when it mated with Volkswagon

Everything is fluid..... modern living is severely affecting the fat of the land that once made healthy families. All empires wither and fail. Top notch family lines wither and fail, eventually

More money for some eh??

Talk to any breeder of animals....

As you were then.

gwigs

6th July 2013, 08:52

Good post Scissorhands +1

Must spread..

unstuck

6th July 2013, 08:58

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.:whistle:

scissorhands

6th July 2013, 09:15

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.:whistle:

fucking innuendo, had to look it up and think hard

'This means that it is easier to persuade people if you use polite arguments and flattery than if you are confrontational.'

I'm a fucking aspie! I can do politeness and flattery no better than the other smartass site crazy, Drewcifer

Go find a salesman or a politician if you want flattery and a hand job! You may as well ask a dog to purr!

All I got for you softies is hard facts.

Sheesh

Road kill

6th July 2013, 09:26

Your the first to complain.
I thought I was offering good advice
Rather than the usual KB hand wringing when these atrocities make the news....

All they need is a diagnoses at school, rather than trying to be 'normal'.
But sterilizations, pre pregnancy screenings and financial incentives will all come to pass one day soon.

Now with awareness, screenings and recommendations for downs syndrome, very few downs children are conceived compared to a few years ago. Most other birth defects can be avoided too

Sorry to bore you with this type of talk, but some others might find it interesting?

I'm trying to help families and NZ achieve a healthier population.....

What are you doing?

I wasn't complaining I was just pointing out the obvious irony to your post.

You can go to the head of the line now.

unstuck

6th July 2013, 10:39

fucking innuendo, had to look it up and think hard

'This means that it is easier to persuade people if you use polite arguments and flattery than if you are confrontational.'

I'm a fucking aspie! I can do politeness and flattery no better than the other smartass site crazy, Drewcifer

Go find a salesman or a politician if you want flattery and a hand job! You may as well ask a dog to purr!

All I got for you softies is hard facts.

Sheesh

:lol::lol: Thats one way of looking at it.:cool: What I was meaning though is that you can influence more people coming from a place of power, rather than a place of disempowerment. In other words, focusing more on the positive improvements you are making in your life to deal with whatever issues you may have, rather than banging the drum of what is wrong with your life, which keeps you stuck in the issue rather than helping you to make a change to something a little more inspirational. But where ever you find yourself in life, there is ALWAYS with EVERY situation the chance to change it to something more to your liking.:love::Punk::Punk: