Selling an S83 Boulevard on behalf. Why won't it sell? Asking too much?

[Vladimir]

Hi guys, we are selling this S83 on behalf (owners gone to oz) and it has been on Trademe for rather a long time so thought this might be a good place to maybe get an idea why.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=496114262


It is a really tidy bike, not overly high mileage, it has a cracked rear indicator but apart from that there is nothing wrong with it!
The father in-law paid over 11K for it a few years back and and it didn't get used an awful lot since so obviously had high hopes it hadn't depreciated too much in that time.
It was priced too high initially compared to others but he dropped the price from $8500 to what he thought was a realistic (compared to others at the time) $7200 hoping to not have to drop below 7K but just don't get stuff all inquiries which is the frustrating part. If it was still the price being too high, would have thought we could expect a few cheeky offers at least like you normally get on TM.

Just checked TM now and they are ranging from 6K-10K so it is at the lower end of the scale. Obviously these are asking prices not selling prices but still....
I know people are not spening money on bikes and toys in general like they used these days, but what gives?!

So what do you guys (the experts! :not:) reckon? Price? Location? People don't like S83s?????? The only thing I am wondering about is if it has been on TM too long and gone stale...people think there must be something wrong with it?
Any advise would be much appreciated! Thanks in advance... cheers :2thumbsup

[Hitcher]

Being the middle of winter won't be helping much.

[Vladimir]

yeah I know but it was on all through spring/summer 2012/13 as well!

[EJK]

$1 RES it.

[st00ji]

im not sure why but bikes with their odos in miles always put me off, dunno why. dont suppose you can do much about that though :)

ultimately price is king IMO, but as hitcher said that sort of bike tends to be a summer cruiser and its the middle of a cold and rainy winter.

[Madness]

Not wanting to cause offence here but it's an un-spectacular bike at an un-spectacular price at an un-spectacular time of the year. There are similar bikes with similar mileage at similar prices in dealerships. If you want to sell it I'd suggest maybe reconsider the asking price or put it up as an auction & let the market decide.

There are fuck all bikes moving off TardMe at the moment, even spectacular ones aren't seeming to sell quick. There are also some absolute bloody bargains out there, however I haven't personally spent a lot of time looking at the S83 market.

Good luck.

Edit; PM Nodrog, he loves his Boulevards.

[Vladimir]

Thanks guys.

Madness, no offence taken. I just bought my first bike (dirt) but have no experience with road bikes hence coming here to see get some worthy opinions.

LJK, at the end of the day we obviously havn't met the market but it's not my bike so :no:
$1 reserve gets you the best price possible with an item that is in demand but could be a big mistake with an "un-spectacular bike at an un-spectacular price at an un-spectacular time of the year"!! :laugh:

[Vladimir]

Madness, tried to PM Nodrog but I havn't been around long enough, can't PM! If you could let him know of this thread that would be good thanks.

[nodrog]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gxq5uJIKars/ShN7zVxF__I/AAAAAAAAAQE/urO0iVmDQk4/s400/6a00d834515db069e200e5502163f88833-640wi.jpg

[Madness]

Madness, tried to PM Nodrog but I havn't been around long enough, can't PM! If you could let him know of this thread that would be good thanks.

I'll let him know :niceone:

[Vladimir]

Yeah madness suggested I give you a buzz, not sure how much I value your opinion though if that photo is anything to by! :lol:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah madness suggested I give you a buzz, not sure how much I value your opinion though if that photo is anything to by! :lol:

Try it @ 6k mate. She's tough out there right now.

[blackdog]

I reckon $6k is still an ask privately Pete.

Meh, what would I know. I can't even get icecubes out of a tray.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I reckon $6k is still an ask privately Pete.

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Possibly. But it looks more attractive compared to the others for sale than 7!

[blackdog]

Possibly. But it looks more attractive compared to the others for sale than 7!

Still comes down to buyers with readys I 'spose. I am still having nightmares about the ridiculously low price I just sold the Beemer for.

[AllanB]

Way to expensive for a Intruder!!!

I remember them coming out decades ago as Intruders - weird things back then ................

Suzuki have been making them for soooo longggggggg.

[blackdog]

Way to expensive for a Intruder!!!

I remember them coming out decades ago as Intruders - weird things back then ................

Suzuki have been making them for soooo longggggggg.

Denying it won't make it go away.

We know you Honda riders like aN Intruder.

[F5 Dave]

Its not your bike so we can't offend you. There's this economic downturn thingy I've heard about on the telly + those things are as interesting as a 1/2 finished plate of sick.

But the real point is with modern fridges that the ice cubes get defrosted if you don't use a lot of them. used to be able to get those disposable ice cube bags that would have fixed the issue for infrequent ice cube users like myself, but no idea where to buy them & too lazy to do an internet search, but strangely will type several lines on a mostly unrelated thread.


So can we criticise your bike now? What kind of dirtbike is it? Something exciting?, or did you buy one of those dull 4 stroke thingys?:innocent:

[Vladimir]

Geez, you a hard man! :laugh: Yep, I've heard about that recession thingy on a couple of occasions. I'm just comparing it to what else is available during the same recession and thought it was priced in the middle of the range, but sounds like it needs to have a rock bottom asking price to generate any interest.


But the real point is with modern fridges that the ice cubes get defrosted if you don't use a lot of them. used to be able to get those disposable ice cube bags that would have fixed the issue for infrequent ice cube users like myself, but no idea where to buy them & too lazy to do an internet search, but strangely will type several lines on a mostly unrelated thread.

Not sure if this is at blackdog or me?! :confused:

Got an 03 CR250, is that acceptable? :wait:

[SMOKEU]

Ride it into the sea and claim insurance on it.

[The Reibz]

Does it do madddd skids?

[Paul in NZ]

Its tricky comparing TM prices...

There are the advertised prices and then the prices bikes actually sell for... As has been discussed here many bikes sit there a loooong time...

Look at my recent purchase from a dealer, 2005 Triumph Sprint ST with 22,000km on the dial (Ok it IS an import) but complete with a few extra months rego and fitted with GIVI hard bag, $8K.... Yet there are 2 other 2005's on there with more kms, no bags and more expensive...

Prices for used bikes are cruel at the moment unless its a hot item.... Or maybe a classic.

[F5 Dave]

. . .
Not sure if this is at blackdog or me?! :confused:


No one really, welcome to the silly world that is KB


. . .

Got an 03 CR250, is that acceptable? :wait:

Indeed yes.. .. :woohoo:




Although it is a Honda:innocent:

[Road kill]

Just looked through TM an there's a couple in there up to $2000 cheaper with less or similar mileage for the same age,,,and their both in shops that have their very own finance plans.

[Dangsta]

Bit of a coincidence but I own a really tidy 2006 S83 with 36,000k's on the clock but mine is black and its in K's not miles. i enjoy the bike but overall while its not a boring bike....it's not exactly blow your socks off exciting. I can't imagine it being someones dream bike. No way would I expect anything close to $7,200 for a red one in miles. If it had K's, forward controls, after market bars and a decent after market seat then maybe $7k for a private sale would be do-able. I guarantee if you took your S83 to a dealer you'd get around 4-5k as a trade. If I was going to put my whip on TM, I'd aim for 6k and probably be open to going less if the offer was reasonable. Even then, I don't think anyone would be making me an offer any time soon. My 2 cents is that if you want to sell it you need to go lower....much lower.

[Madness]

Its not your bike so we can't offend you. There's this economic downturn thingy I've heard about on the telly + those things are as interesting as a 1/2 finished plate of sick.

But the real point is with modern fridges that the ice cubes get defrosted if you don't use a lot of them. used to be able to get those disposable ice cube bags that would have fixed the issue for infrequent ice cube users like myself, but no idea where to buy them & too lazy to do an internet search, but strangely will type several lines on a mostly unrelated thread.


So can we criticise your bike now? What kind of dirtbike is it? Something exciting?, or did you buy one of those dull 4 stroke thingys?:innocent:

You should buy it. They have a 13 litre tank!

[Tigadee]

OP - I usually go by my un-scientific rule of $1k below a dealer's price, just so it's attractive enough for a private buyer. Otherwise a buyer would prefer to go to a dealer.

Here are some similar bikes on TM from dealers:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-490876915.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-611156815.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-565018733.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-569943083.htm

[st00ji]

I guess if you want to avoid loosing heaps on a bike you have to buy right in the first place and keep it for years. I think when they put the reg for big bikes up that became the end of reasonable resale value.

i dunno about that, the 'big' bike rego is only 100 odd a year more than the class below

[Tigadee]

i dunno about that, the 'big' bike rego is only 100 odd a year more than the class below

True enough. Anything over 700cc [and a good machine] is worth spending the extra rego on. I take exception to the 650cc class only because I refuse to pay an extra 100 odd a year for a measly 50cc difference over my 600cc.

[nzspokes]

True enough. Anything over 700cc [and a good machine] is worth spending the extra rego on. I take exception to the 650cc class only because I refuse to pay an extra 100 odd a year for a measly 50cc difference over my 600cc.

But it costs you more.

Cause you still pay rego when its broken down in the shed.......:bleh:

[Tigadee]

But it costs you more.
Cause you still pay rego when its broken down in the shed.......

Spokes, thou cruel spirit thee! Must thou remind me of mine tragedy upon two wheels... Pray thee stop!

[Vladimir]

Hey thanks everyone for your input, sorta confirmed what we already thought but didn't realise the bike market in general was THAT bad!
It's been on for so long now anyway, we just going to wait till spring and do the big price drop then when more buyers come out hopefully.


OP - I usually go by my un-scientific rule of $1k below a dealer's price, just so it's attractive enough for a private buyer. Otherwise a buyer would prefer to go to a dealer.

Here are some similar bikes on TM from dealers:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-490876915.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-611156815.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-565018733.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-569943083.htm

May be un-scientific but sounds like common sense!
Most of them are older and/or higher mileage but there's one there at 4.5K even - havn't seen one under 5K yet.

[FROSTY]

First thing I noticed was that it APEARS the bike has been listed for nearly a whole year now.-Might be a TM screw up but it looks to be it was listed july 21 which says 2012. THAT will put some people off.=I'd relist totally
Second I would drop mention of the MILES its done.You have recorded the KM's If anyone shows interest THEN discuss that its got a MPH speedo but the KM is accurate.
Third-It does seem toppy price wise.
Fourth -The advert is MEHH -it doesn't have bike shop behind it and it doesn't say "Ive been loved" by the last owner.
Get some stuff in thre about what a pleasure it is to ride etc.
Fifth-The pictures are clear and crisp but again don't "sell" the bike.With cars I refer to the "money" shot. Thats the picture that shows the vehicle in its very best light. Bikes are a pita so you might need to take 100 pics and choose the best 20-note I said 20 -you have 20 so use em all. IMO you should totally fill the camera frame with bike for the main shots. so JUST barely fit the whole bike in.
Sixth.-POSSIBLY your location is restricting buyers.Why not call Cycletranz and biketrans and put in the advert how much to freight the bike to the main centres?
Last-give Global credit a yell.They do bike finance.so if you tee it up with them you could add -"possible finance available"
Im reluctant to recommend running a $1.00 reserve auction only because you just don't know what it will fetch.
It WILL sell that way but you need to discuss it with the owner.

[Conquiztador]

Top advise from Frosty!

I have sold a few s/h bikes in my life. FWIW here:
- Before I sell them I do work on them and take them to the level that I would buy them my self.
- I polish and polish again. You won't find any grease or dirt on them! I also make sure that any rust is gone!
- I do an oil and filter change.
- I replace stuff that you can easily see and that is even a little worn: Tyres, chains, sprockets, seat covers, grips, clutch and brake leavers, foot peg rubbers, batteries etc.
- If they are road bikes they will have a new WOF and Rego.
- If expensive I make sure I have a finance option available for the buyer. I am also always prepared to hold on to the bike while the buyer pays it off if need be.

I have lately sold some MX bikes and had no problem selling them compared to others who want less money:
- I take the bikes to MX events and allow people to check them out so they see how good condition they are in.
- I deliver the bikes for free as long as it is not too far away from where I am going anyhow.
- I have some extras I throw in: A helmet, boots, gloves, parts etc.

So my recommendation to you for TM add:
- More close up pix showing how tidy she is.
- Tell them that you are happy to hold on until buyer has paid in full. And if you can also help with organising finance then good!
- Provide delivery. Or flight ticket to come and pick up to ride home!
- Throw in something. A helmet, a bottle of JD. Anything really.

Other ways:
- Use free sites like Motorcycle Alley. Also many groups you can tell like cruizer groups etc.
- Take to town and have sign on.
- Take to bike gatherings and have sign on.
- Spread word re that she is for sale through your private contacts.

Perhaps there is something you are currently looking for? A lathe, a car, a spa and so on. Maybe try to swap with cash difference.

Good Luck!

[kiwi cowboy]

Ride it into the sea and claim insurance on it.

Chain this idiot to the bike before hand and people would probably pay the asking price just to see him taken into the sea with it

[Robbo]

Hi vladimir, Frosty has offered some excellent advice and if you take that on board and act accordingly i'm sure you will get interest in your bike, especially if you wait a couple of months untill Spring is here and the better riding weather. As has already been said, the market for selling is not good at present and the pricing will have everything to do with getting a buyer. They are not a bad bike to ride as i had a VS800 version of this some years ago and enjoyed it. Good luck with the sale. :niceone:

[raziel1983]

Still comes down to buyers with readys I 'spose. I am still having nightmares about the ridiculously low price I just sold the Beemer for.

Yeah I died a little inside as I watched my Bandits sell price come down... and down... and down, till it finally sold. Didn't realize I could lose so much coin in just 18 months of ownership! :baby: