Video games, speed and the clash of thinking styles

[superjackal]

A couple of guys at work are anti-video game. But are they bad?

I’d been bombarded by my parents telling me that I spent too much time playing video games as a kid. To be fair I could spend all day playing video games and when you watch someone do that it’s hard not to believe that they’re not wasting their life. Recently I did a web-training course and the instructor made an interesting insight. She allowed her two boys as much time as they wanted playing games as she felt it was their brains craving information at a high rate. She believed that the rapid fire decision making and constant stimulus led her boys to become faster, more creative thinkers. Ever sat in a classroom bored by the pace of information coming at you?

Which leads me to speed. What exactly is it that is so thrilling about speed? It’s the bombardment of information at a high pace and your brain loving the rapid processing of information.

Here’s the clash, some brains love it and others don’t. For a brain that likes to digest and process information slowly, speed is clutter which they can’t process properly.

As a society we need both types of brains.

Speed is good. Just watch out for flower sniffers.

Anyway, that’s my half-baked thought for the day.

[unstuck]

My kids were only allowed an hour a day during the week(schooldays) and a maximum of 2hrs on the weekend. I must be a tyrant. But I have wonderful kids now, somehow.:eek:

[buggerit]

Before video games you needed an active imagination to stimulate your brain, alot of it also involved physical activity and the reality of the real world of bumps,bruises and human interaction. The video games seem to provide that much information that the imagination is not
required to add excitment and I wonder if it will actually dull their senses, meaning they require more stimulation to get the same level of
excitment of previous generations?

[gijoe1313]

Playing vidjeo gamez never done me no wrong! :msn-wink:

[bogan]

What is the difference between video gaming, watching TV, and faffing about on the intertubes?

[superjackal]

Before video games you needed an active imagination to stimulate your brain, alot of it also involved physical activity and the reality of the real world of bumps,bruises and human interaction. The video games seem to provide that much information that the imagination is not
required to add excitment and I wonder if it will actually dull their senses, meaning they require more stimulation to get the same level of
excitment of previous generations?

I can't help but think that we're always progressing as a species. What stimulated a 50s kid just doesn't cut it with modern kids as they're used to... well.. better, more interesting toys. Take a 50s kid and give him the choice of his toys or modern toys and there's no question.

Technology's not necessarily better. But it's there.

I grew up with loats of video games but was still very physically active. It comes down to the child.

[buggerit]

I can't help but think that we're always progressing as a species. What stimulated a 50s kid just doesn't cut it with modern kids as they're used to... well.. better, more interesting toys. Take a 50s kid and give him the choice of his toys or modern toys and there's no question.

Technology's not necessarily better. But it's there.

I grew up with loats of video games but was still very physically active. It comes down to the child.

I would still take a slug gun over a ps3:msn-wink:

[Scuba_Steve]

I would still take a slug gun over a ps3:msn-wink:

I got a PS3 & 3 paintball guns (they allow you to shoot other people with them :shifty:) hoping to get 2 more soon. Best of both worlds :msn-wink:

[unstuck]

I got a PS3 & 3 paintball guns (they allow you to shoot other people with them :shifty:) hoping to get 2 more soon. Best of both worlds :msn-wink:

Put your paintballs in the freezer for a couple of hours, then shoot the bastards. No mistaking if they have been hit then.:devil2:

[HenryDorsetCase]

What is the difference between video gaming, watching TV, and faffing about on the intertubes?

level of interaction. TV is passive, so are the interwebs (except when fapping) and games require your active participation.

[buggerit]

Put your paintballs in the freezer for a couple of hours, then shoot the bastards. No mistaking if they have been hit then.:devil2:

No different to the slug gun really, we just used our old springs, 2 rules, no head shots, no snivelling to your mother:crazy::oi-grr:

[bogan]

level of interaction. TV is passive, so are the interwebs (except when fapping) and games require your active participation.

Which is why it seems strange that games seem to cop more flak for being a waste of time compared to the other two.

[unstuck]

No different to the slug gun really, we just used our old springs, 2 rules, no head shots, no snivelling to your mother:crazy::oi-grr:

I took one in the elbow, and one in the chest. Hurt like a bastard.:laugh:

[Scuba_Steve]

Put your paintballs in the freezer for a couple of hours, then shoot the bastards. No mistaking if they have been hit then.:devil2:

contrary to popular belief/myth "freezing" them actually makes them brittle & soggy, not hard; a few of the top speedball teams refrigerate their balls to increase the brittleness without the sogginess of frozen balls as speedball's all about the paint mark.
Now loading up ball bearings... that's a different story :devil2:

[Big Dave]

http://thebodaciousbelgradeblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/farside2.gif?w=383&h=480

[unstuck]

contrary to popular belief/myth "freezing" them actually makes them brittle & soggy, not hard; a few of the top speedball teams refrigerate their balls to increase the brittleness without the sogginess of frozen balls as speedball's all about the paint mark.
Now loading up ball bearings... that's a different story :devil2:

Thats just pure evil right there.:devil2: Would the bearings from a CV joint do.:ar15::ar15:

[Scuba_Steve]

Thats just pure evil right there.:devil2: Would the bearings from a CV joint do.:ar15::ar15:

Well my barrels are all .68 but there are .5 & .43 paintball guns too, so as long as you can match up bore size then sure; else you can always make your own, same sorta idea as spud gun, use gas to propel object.
Paintball guns are limited in their propelling abilities as they are designed with a single purpose in mind but using the same basic design, a-little DIY & alot more gas


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucHNC1aV-gE

[superjackal]

contrary to popular belief/myth "freezing" them actually makes them brittle & soggy, not hard; a few of the top speedball teams refrigerate their balls to increase the brittleness without the sogginess of frozen balls as speedball's all about the paint mark.
Now loading up ball bearings... that's a different story :devil2:

Ha ha ha! You evil bastard....

[Road kill]

I can't help but think that we're always progressing as a species. What stimulated a 50s kid just doesn't cut it with modern kids as they're used to... well.. better, more interesting toys. Take a 50s kid and give him the choice of his toys or modern toys and there's no question.

Technology's not necessarily better. But it's there.

I grew up with loats of video games but was still very physically active. It comes down to the child.

Ok I was a 50's kid.

I Spent my time catching eels in the mangroves,fishing around the harbor rocks,hunting rabbits an possums all with gear I'd either made myself or adapted from stuff that adults had discarded.
Building push bikes from old shitters found at the local tip.
Mowing lawns for the money to buy better fishing gear,arguing with the bus driver about weather my dog was coming along or not,,she always did.
Then in my teens, heaps of time working on old bikes and cars that kids of today couldn't work on because most of them have wasted their time playing video games when they should of been out in the world learning self reliance.

Something I notice with young people at our Archery club is that a lot of them want to get into hunting but when you give them places to go and all the other information needed they still won't get off their arses to do a damn thing unless an adult is there to hold their hands.

When I was a kid if somebody gave me the type of info I've handed to some of these losers I made it a point of getting myself out there and the fact the bush was dark an scary never slowed me down for one second.

So yeah there's no question I wouldn't trade the toys of my youth for all the shittyo games in the world,,,and I love speed.

[avgas]

Cartoon Depicting Gamers Make No MOney
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lim_Yo-Hwan

Tip of an iceberg the size of Antarctica. Last year the gaming industry was twice the size of film.
In fact apparently more people can recognize this voice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_McLain) over this one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Rain). Which is a scary stat on its own.

[Mushu]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lim_Yo-Hwan

Tip of an iceberg the size of Antarctica. Last year the gaming industry was twice the size of film.
In fact apparently more people can recognize this voice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_McLain) over this one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Rain). Which is a scary stat on its own.

Not really surprising given the age of Space Odyssey which came out over 40 years ago, most people my age (late 20s) haven't even seen it, my nephews don't even know who John McClain is (I found out when the newest movie came out)

I'd hate to know how many hours of my life have been spent on video games but I won't ever stop playing them, probably better way of spending a shitty day than reading a book or watching the crap they put on TV. Not that I'm playing much at the moment, just waiting for GTA5 to come out and Gran Turismo 6.

[buggerit]

Not really surprising given the age of Space Odyssey which came out over 40 years ago, most people my age (late 20s) haven't even seen it, my nephews don't even know who John McClain is (I found out when the newest movie came out)

I'd hate to know how many hours of my life have been spent on video games but I won't ever stop playing them, probably better way of spending a shitty day than reading a book or watching the crap they put on TV. Not that I'm playing much at the moment, just waiting for GTA5 to come out and Gran Turismo 6.

Thats why God gave us sheds and tools:msn-wink:

[Mushu]

Thats why God gave us sheds and tools:msn-wink:

I don't have a shed :( I gotta fix my bikes in the yard.

[Hoon]

Something I notice with young people at our Archery club is that a lot of them want to get into hunting but when you give them places to go and all the other information needed they still won't get off their arses to do a damn thing unless an adult is there to hold their hands.


Interesting.

I grew up in between i.e 80's so had exposure to both sides. I was and until having kids a serious gaming nut though. I have a lot of fond childhood memories of fun and adventure but now that you mention it none of these memories involve the countless hours I spent playing video games. In fact the more I think about it I really am struggling to identify a single memorable event that did involve video games.
I seriously find it hard to justify any beneficial skills I may have learned from gaming. It didn't make me any a better motorcycle racer or soldier.

[unstuck]

Interesting.

I grew up in between i.e 80's so had exposure to both sides. I was and until having kids a serious gaming nut though. I have a lot of fond childhood memories of fun and adventure but now that you mention it none of these memories involve the countless hours I spent playing video games. In fact the more I think about it I really am struggling to identify a single memorable event that did involve video games.
I seriously find it hard to justify any beneficial skills I may have learned from gaming. It didn't make me any a better motorcycle racer or soldier.

The only games we had like that were a stupid tennis type one where a ball went from one side of the screen to the other and you had to move the little line thing up and down to hit it back. And then space invaders and defender came out, and all the local kids would be out pinching milk money to go down the takeaways to play spacies.:2thumbsup

[mashman]

The brain is a big place. It has space for more information that it is ever used for. It has parts that are very rarely used. It makes new connections in response to stimulus. How can gaming hurt? It teaches strategy, sacrifice, cooperation, hand eye coordination blah blah blah. Use it as best you can, because it is you :D

[Mushu]

Interesting.

I grew up in between i.e 80's so had exposure to both sides. I was and until having kids a serious gaming nut though. I have a lot of fond childhood memories of fun and adventure but now that you mention it none of these memories involve the countless hours I spent playing video games. In fact the more I think about it I really am struggling to identify a single memorable event that did involve video games.
I seriously find it hard to justify any beneficial skills I may have learned from gaming. It didn't make me any a better motorcycle racer or soldier.

I have quite a few good memories playing video games like shitting myself playing Resident Evil or Tekken tournaments with my friends. Although I also spent a lot of time roaming the neighborhood with friends too which I also have fond memories of.

As far as learning real world skills, Full Spectrum Warrior was developed with the US military to help teach their guys urban warfare tactics, Gran Turismo is pretty good at teaching racing theory and Microsoft Flight Simulator is recognized as being legitimate training for pilots. No substitute for real world experience but you can learn a fair bit from the right games. These days there are educational games too, too late for me to have gotten any benefit from them so I can't tell whether they're effective or not.

[unstuck]

My middle son is the one who loved them most, and he reckons they helped him when he joined the navy. I have no idea how, but he says they did so I accept that.:Punk:

[Hoon]

As far as learning real world skills, Full Spectrum Warrior was developed with the US military to help teach their guys urban warfare tactics, Gran Turismo is pretty good......
Yes thats what the gaming marketing types would have you believe but the reality is that those soldiers/pilots/racers that do play these games are no better off than those that don't. They might know a little more on Day zero but this advantage is quickly lost. As a gamer with no experience of the real life role you'd probably disagree but as a gamer, racer and soldier I can clearly state that I have seen no evidence that those that do excel in these professions have any strong links to gaming, nor do they attribute any of their success to prior gaming experience.

Don't get me wrong - I love gaming but believing that it provides any relevant real world skills is pure fantasy. One exception is MS Flight Sim - like all others that have played it I reckon I could land a Passenger jet if needed but then again a trained pilot would probably disagree with me as well.


And then space invaders and defender came out, and all the local kids would be out pinching milk money to go down the takeaways to play spacies.:2thumbsup

Yep clocked Spacies and then Defender when I was 11 - that took over 2 hours. I have more bad memories than fond - hidings from spending the change and also getting into fights over credits. Had a home computer since the mid 80's and the whole console progression from sega master system to xbox360 not to mention the pc online gaming thing since '96. Now my gaming rig sits neglected buried at the back of baby#2's room:(

[mashman]

I have quite a few good memories playing video games like shitting myself playing Resident Evil or Tekken tournaments with my friends. Although I also spent a lot of time roaming the neighborhood with friends too which I also have fond memories of.

As far as learning real world skills, Full Spectrum Warrior was developed with the US military to help teach their guys urban warfare tactics, Gran Turismo is pretty good at teaching racing theory and Microsoft Flight Simulator is recognized as being legitimate training for pilots. No substitute for real world experience but you can learn a fair bit from the right games. These days there are educational games too, too late for me to have gotten any benefit from them so I can't tell whether they're effective or not.

It's perfect training if you wanna fly drones and blow people to pieces for a living.

[Mushu]

Yes thats what the gaming marketing types would have you believe but the reality is that those soldiers/pilots/racers that do play these games are no better off than those that don't. They might know a little more on Day zero but this advantage is quickly lost. As a gamer with no experience of the real life role you'd probably disagree but as a gamer, racer and soldier I can clearly state that I have seen no evidence that those that do excel in these professions have any strong links to gaming, nor do they attribute any of their success to prior gaming experience.

Don't get me wrong - I love gaming but believing that it provides any relevant real world skills is pure fantasy. One exception is MS Flight Sim - like all others that have played it I reckon I could land a Passenger jet if needed but then again a trained pilot would probably disagree with me as well.

As I said in the part of my post you didn't quote, video games are no substitute for real world experience.

But they do have some value, I would have a far higher chance of landing a plane now than I would have before playing MS Flight Sim just knowing what a VSI is or how flaps effect a plane among other things the game taught me, I wouldn't want to do it but there is some value in it.

Sony did a bit of an experiment with Gran Turismo, they ran a competition to find the best drivers on the game and dropped them in a real life race with no prior real world experience, and they were able to be competitive. Also the game is so accurate if you get an actual driver to set a time on a track and do the same in the game the times match up very closely, they seem to be very slightly faster on the game but that can be accounted for by the lack of consequences when you crash.

Edit: google Lucas Ordoñez. Now a professional race driver after winning a spot in the all gamer car at Dubai 24hrs (which scored a podium finish)

Of course not all games have any real world value at all (in fact very few), like the call of duty series that is so popular, I doubt there is anything at all to be learned there. But there can be something learned by a lot of simulator type games, try playing Lock On: Modern Air Combat you need an actual flight manual for each plane to get anywhere in a combat situation (great fun getting fucked up in an A10 and seeing if you can make it back to base they can take a shit load of damage and keep flying)

[tigertim20]

What is the difference between video gaming, watching TV, and faffing about on the intertubes?
the difference between those three isnt much, but probably this:

level of interaction. TV is passive, so are the interwebs (except when fapping) and games require your active participation.

a better question though, is the difference between those three things, and self-made entertainment.
Im bot yet 30, so I'm not quite a geriatric old fart just yet, but my youth was spent learning martial arts, and playing soccer - that took up four nights of the week.

whe I wasnt doing that, I was outside fucking around with dads toolbox, pulling BMX bikes apart and spray painting them a different colour and changing the cranks and the wheels and replacing bearings and shit, before going out to find the biggest shit I could find to jump. a favourite was a big, steep section of stop-bank not far from home.

When not doing that, It was building a tree house (with some supervision) which was constantly getting improvements.
I didnt play call of duty, we ran around with toy guns pretending to shoot each other, and getting into fist fights when the "I shot you you're dead" "you you missed, BANG youre dead" arguments started up.

I remember my brother and I used to do action replays of WWF wrestling on the trampoline, untill he suplexed me headfirst into what was a 3cm hol, which became a 2 foot hole and ended up with me headfirst into the dirt from quite a height . . .
another favourite was puttig the trampoline between the double garage and the house, climbing onto the garage roof, and jumping from garage to tramp to house roof.
Mum wasnt so keen on that one for some reason.

On a shitty day we had lego, or meccano, or those plastic models of cool muscle cars and shit we would make. when that got boring we found something that looked potentially dismantle-able, pinched things from dads toolbox and attempted to dissasemble, learn, and reassemble an item.
Most items didnt work anymore after that, but we learnt heaps.

My little brother-in-law is 12. all he does is fuck around on game consoles, and I think, fuck your life sucks kid.

I earned a black belt growing up, and have scars on my knee from Tee Ball, and cuts to my hands from getting into mischeif I shouldnt have. I learned practical skills at a young age, but he would have no idea what to do if I gave him a cassete tape and a pencil and asked hi what he would do with both of those things.

And I wonder, how the fuck will this kid ever talk his way into some bird's panties when he hasnt learbed to interact with other people and find ways to entertain himself and his mates?
He'd be boring as fuck to hang around.

[Mushu]

Even though I seem to be the biggest advocate for games in this thread, Id like to point out that I also did every thing in tigertims post above (except karate, Mum wouldn't allow it, I got in enough fights as it was)

Anything is bad if it consumes your whole life, there were kids at soccer and Cricket who I wouldn't associate with outside practice and games because the sport consumed their whole life and they were boring.

To be honest any decent day was mostly spent at the BMX track across the road from where I lived or out doing stupid shit in the paddocks out the back. And I was also the type to pull everything apart, I had my own tools when I was a kid, I would ask for tools for my birthday (Dad wasn't around growing up), I even remember taking apart my Sega and my Playstation.

[ducatilover]

I grew up without a tellything and without any video game things. Never really got stuck in to them either
I'd much rather read something interesting (knowledge is powah) or work on a project (when I was younger it was model cars/bikes, now they're just POS bikes/cars). And I never seem to find the spare time to sit down and play bip bips and bang bangs on the expensive gaming consoles I will never bother buying when I could buy bike parts.
I spent a lot of time racing/riding push bikes, running and training up 'till my late teens too, did me a lot more good than a TV and video games (IMHO), exercise keeps the mind and body healthy. A healthy body and mind is good for all the bike crashes

I've gone and talked about bikes on this non motorbicycle site, I am sorry.

[Mushu]

I grew up without a tellything and without any video game things. Never really got stuck in to them either
I'd much rather read something interesting (knowledge is powah) or work on a project (when I was younger it was model cars/bikes, now they're just POS bikes/cars). And I never seem to find the spare time to sit down and play bip bips and bang bangs on the expensive gaming consoles I will never bother buying when I could buy bike parts.
I spent a lot of time racing/riding push bikes, running and training up 'till my late teens too, did me a lot more good than a TV and video games (IMHO), exercise keeps the mind and body healthy. A healthy body and mind is good for all the bike crashes

I've gone and talked about bikes on this non motorbicycle site, I am sorry.

Funny, I have a friend who used to say all that, then my cousin talked him into getting wasted and playing call of duty, he bought a x box the next day.

[ducatilover]

Funny, I have a friend who used to say all that, then my cousin talked him into getting wasted and playing call of duty, he bought a x box the next day.

I'm no good at those shooter game things, my eyes aren't too fab andf I'm not interested in pretending to do something for America and kill some big bad people to satisfy my animilistic urges and/or reinforce that I'm not inferioir :bleh: . And having faffed around with vid games on occasion and pot, I still prefer stimuli from the real world, like motorcycles (fuck I know, mentioning them again on KB!) and excercise. And, well attempting to cram my head with info.


I'd much rather spend my time researching and buiding my shit heap bikes than being away in a virtual reality, but that's just me. Scissorhands likes to massage his colon, that sounds pretty choice too.

[Mushu]

I'm no good at those shooter game things, my eyes aren't too fab andf I'm not interested in pretending to do something for America and kill some big bad people to satisfy my animilistic urges and/or reinforce that I'm not inferioir :bleh: . And having faffed around with vid games on occasion and pot, I still prefer stimuli from the real world, like motorcycles (fuck I know, mentioning them again on KB!) and excercise. And, well attempting to cram my head with info.


I'd much rather spend my time researching and buiding my shit heap bikes than being away in a virtual reality, but that's just me. Scissorhands likes to massage his colon, that sounds pretty choice too.

I understand, I'm not a fan of shooter games either I prefer my games to either be simulators (seems to me the only way I'll ever get to drive a lot of cars that I wish I could own or fly a F18 or whatever, pity there's no decent bike games) or to be a story of some kind like RPGs or the metal gear games and things like that.

Surely it's no worse a use of my time than posting all manner of crap here and other forums.

[Berries]

Here’s the clash, some brains love it and others don’t. For a brain that likes to digest and process information slowly, speed is clutter which they can’t process properly.
The chips can come out quite fast at Maccas sometimes. There will always be a job for the PS generation.

[Akzle]

The chips can come out quite fast at Maccas sometimes. There will always be a job for the PS generation.

but whos going to buy that shit?

[Scuba_Steve]

pity there's no decent bike games)

You never played Tourist Trophy on the PS2 then??? Not hugely successful but that's probably down to the fact it was made by the Gran Turismo team & non-bikers had trouble controlling the bikes. It was pretty bloody good as far as virtual rides go



The chips can come out quite fast at Maccas sometimes. There will always be a job for the PS generation.

Yea & the big boys of this corporate Gen like Google like to hire the PS gen too

[Mushu]

You never played Tourist Trophy on the PS2 then??? Not hugely successful but that's probably down to the fact it was made by the Gran Turismo team & non-bikers had trouble controlling the bikes. It was pretty bloody good as far as virtual rides go

I remember Tourist Trophy, and thoroughly enjoyed it but compared to GT4 it was tiny, and lacked a lot of what they could have done, I actually hired it out again about 6 months ago and had pretty much won everything in 2 days so I put my PS2 away and went back to GT5, although I would be happy if they made a GT5 or GT6 version, I'd buy it straight away.

[Scuba_Steve]

I remember Tourist Trophy, and thoroughly enjoyed it but compared to GT4 it was tiny, and lacked a lot of what they could have done, I actually hired it out again about 6 months ago and had pretty much won everything in 2 days so I put my PS2 away and went back to GT5, although I would be happy if they made a GT5 or GT6 version, I'd buy it straight away.

Yea my understanding is it was released as a fishing exercise to gauge interest in bikes.
Would have been nice if polyphony digital obtained the MotoGP rights especially given how bad that game is

[Mushu]

Yea my understanding is it was released as a fishing exercise to gauge interest in bikes.
Would have been nice if polyphony digital obtained the MotoGP rights especially given how bad that game is

I'd be happy if they just bought out a Tourist Trophy that incorporated everything from a Gran Turismo or added bikes to the main GT series, they don't seem interested in making other games, I can only remember one other game they ever released, Omega Boost and that was back in the PS1 days but it was pretty good though.

[bogan]

the difference between those three isnt much, but probably this:


a better question though, is the difference between those three things, and self-made entertainment.
Im bot yet 30, so I'm not quite a geriatric old fart just yet, but my youth was spent learning martial arts, and playing soccer - that took up four nights of the week.

whe I wasnt doing that, I was outside fucking around with dads toolbox, pulling BMX bikes apart and spray painting them a different colour and changing the cranks and the wheels and replacing bearings and shit, before going out to find the biggest shit I could find to jump. a favourite was a big, steep section of stop-bank not far from home.

When not doing that, It was building a tree house (with some supervision) which was constantly getting improvements.
I didnt play call of duty, we ran around with toy guns pretending to shoot each other, and getting into fist fights when the "I shot you you're dead" "you you missed, BANG youre dead" arguments started up.

I remember my brother and I used to do action replays of WWF wrestling on the trampoline, untill he suplexed me headfirst into what was a 3cm hol, which became a 2 foot hole and ended up with me headfirst into the dirt from quite a height . . .
another favourite was puttig the trampoline between the double garage and the house, climbing onto the garage roof, and jumping from garage to tramp to house roof.
Mum wasnt so keen on that one for some reason.

On a shitty day we had lego, or meccano, or those plastic models of cool muscle cars and shit we would make. when that got boring we found something that looked potentially dismantle-able, pinched things from dads toolbox and attempted to dissasemble, learn, and reassemble an item.
Most items didnt work anymore after that, but we learnt heaps.

My little brother-in-law is 12. all he does is fuck around on game consoles, and I think, fuck your life sucks kid.

I earned a black belt growing up, and have scars on my knee from Tee Ball, and cuts to my hands from getting into mischeif I shouldnt have. I learned practical skills at a young age, but he would have no idea what to do if I gave him a cassete tape and a pencil and asked hi what he would do with both of those things.

And I wonder, how the fuck will this kid ever talk his way into some bird's panties when he hasnt learbed to interact with other people and find ways to entertain himself and his mates?
He'd be boring as fuck to hang around.

Well, yeh, everything in moderation. My point was games seem to get a bad rep while the other stuff (which is arguably worse anyway) is considered the norm. Games are actually fairly social these days too, with most MMOs having in built voice comms, and many players using third party VOIP programs as well.

[Scuba_Steve]

I'd be happy if they just bought out a Tourist Trophy that incorporated everything from a Gran Turismo or added bikes to the main GT series, they don't seem interested in making other games, I can only remember one other game they ever released, Omega Boost and that was back in the PS1 days but it was pretty good though.

They also did Motor Toon Grand Prix on PS1 but they were still SCEJ at that stage, there was once plans to add the bikes to GT, maybee it just hasn't happened yet due to the excessive time it took to get GT5 out the door? They haven't ruled out a sequel or possibility of adding bikes to the GT universe
Polyphonic Digital are after all game devs, gamers & auto lovers.

[Voltaire]

My Son plays a lot of Xbox....my gut feeling is that its not making him any smarter.....unlike me who knows my Airfix Tiger 1 from a Tiger 2.....useful stuff.:innocent:
Give me a garage full of 'stuff' any day.

[Mushu]

My Son plays a lot of Xbox....my gut feeling is that its not making him any smarter.....unlike me who knows my Airfix Tiger 1 from a Tiger 2.....useful stuff.:innocent:
Give me a garage full of 'stuff' any day.

What is he playing on his XBox? Have you tried playing it with him, I always enjoyed giving my Dad a massive advantage playing Gran Turismo so I could play out my Initial D fantasies and kick his ass with a Corolla.

[Scuba_Steve]

My Son plays a lot of Xbox....my gut feeling is that its not making him any smarter.....unlike me who knows my Airfix Tiger 1 from a Tiger 2.....useful stuff.:innocent:
Give me a garage full of 'stuff' any day.

Games have limited use in smarts dept, there are games that can teach you a bit, Assassins creed for example has taught me a bit of history like the Catholic Church once approved of & even supported brothels, until one day they turn their backs on them & denounced them in favour of little boys*
Games improve the hand/eye reflex abilities rather than the smart abilities (as a general rule) so there's definitely a place for them IMO but they should NOT be THE place, just as TV & books should not be THE place.


*2nd part of sentence may turn hollywood "based on true story"

[Mushu]

They also did Motor Toon Grand Prix on PS1 but they were still SCEJ at that stage, there was once plans to add the bikes to GT, maybee it just hasn't happened yet due to the excessive time it took to get GT5 out the door? They haven't ruled out a sequel or possibility of adding bikes to the GT universe
Polyphonic Digital are after all game devs, gamers & auto lovers.

I had a feeling there was another one, never played it though. GT6 has been announced, pretty sure it's supposed to come out this year but surely if they had added bikes it would have been one of the first things they revealed.

[Voltaire]

What is he playing on his XBox? Have you tried playing it with him, I always enjoyed giving my Dad a massive advantage playing Gran Turismo so I could play out my Initial D fantasies and kick his ass with a Corolla.

No, have never played Xbox. Until this year we used to go skiing together that was fun. He is now a far better skier than me,older brother snowboards and I taught him the basics on how to play a guitar, and how to drive a manual car....each to their own I suppose:2thumbsup
Neither of them has an interest in motorcycles....thats what the old guy in the shed does :lol:

[ducatilover]

Surely it's no worse a use of my time than posting all manner of crap here and other forums. I would have to agree with that lol