Psychoactive Substances Bill

[Katman]

I was hugely disappointed that this Bill was passed into law yesterday without Mojo Mathers' amendment included. It is abhorrent that animals should be forced to suffer from the testing of recreational drugs.

[blackdog]

'Kin oath. Isn't that why we have street kids?

They could earn their dole each week for being labrats.

[Katman]

We have Peter Dunne, Brendan Horan and all the National party MPs to thank for vetoing the amendment.

They should be fucking ashamed of themselves.

[bosslady]

That's very sad. Animals to presumably suffer so humans can get high?

[Katman]

That's very sad. Animals to presumably suffer so humans can get high?

The saddest thing about it is that it is totally unnecessary.

There are test methods available that don't require any animal participation - they cost more to carry out though.

However, the cost shouldn't have even been an issue as the cost is not something that is being picked up by the New Zealand tax-payer but by the manufacturers of these drugs.

The government has simply let the manufacturers off the hook by allowing them to make use of cheaper testing options.

[Katman]

That's very sad. Animals to presumably suffer so humans can get high?

Part of the testing process is likely to involve what is known as LD50 testing whereby the animals are given such high doses of these drugs that 50% of them will die as a result.

The reality is though that the 50% that don't die as a direct result of administering these drugs will most likely have to be euthanised due to the psychological damage that they will incur.

[Banditbandit]

I fail to see how testing psychoactive substances on animals is any use at all ... what are they going to do? Force a dog to smoke K2 then ask the dog "do you feel sick?" "Are you high yet?" Are you feeling angry and criminally insane?" "Can you still talk?"

Fuck me ... what would they do if the dog answered? Market the stuff ???

[scumdog]

Hmmm.....LD50 in our prisons?

Volunteers only of course...;)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hmmm.....LD50 in our prisons?

Volunteers only of course...;)

Most of them are dangerous enough already mate!

[Katman]

For all the fact that I've never been a fan of John Banks, he was the only MP to vote against the passing of the Bill in it's current form.

It appears that once the amendment was vetoed, every other MP simply caved in and accepted the Bill - along with it's warts..

[SMOKEU]

So they're just going to start giving coons P and acid as part of their testing?

[Banditbandit]

Naa .. there's plenty of those Afrikaaners here doing bugger all ... and using our resources ... might as well use them something ...

[unstuck]

Where do I sign up, do you have to be a specific type of animal to apply, or just an ordinary joe bloggs kinda animal.:devil2:



Tis pretty fucked up though, anyone who thinks animals dont have feelings is dreaming. You should see my dogs when I go out without them.:baby:

[mashman]

The saddest thing about it is that it is totally unnecessary.

There are test methods available that don't require any animal participation - they cost more to carry out though.

I agree entirely. We have a user base of several hundred thousand recreational users. I guarantee you the cost of legalising cannabis, setting up a database, asking people to register and then monitoring their health through the current health system would cost by far less than jamming animals full of synthetic crap and monitoring the outcomes will be. It will also yield honest results by targeting the user base and not his best friend. But nooooooooo, they're too stupid for that. Much better to have criminals profiting.

[granstar]

All I can say about the psychoactive substances bill is, i'm not paying it.





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It's Friday lighten up ...:wait:

[Katman]

I agree entirely. We have a user base of several hundred thousand recreational users. I guarantee you the cost of legalising cannabis, setting up a database, asking people to register and then monitoring their health through the current health system would cost by far less than jamming animals full of synthetic crap will be. But nooooooooo, they're too stupid for that. Much better to have criminals profiting.

Unfortunately the government is aware that animals can't sue them in years to come for health issues that arise from the testing.

[mashman]

Unfortunately the government is aware that animals can't sue them in years to come for health issues that arise from the testing.

I get that side of it... however we do it voluntarily (and could apply for a license :rofl:), who the fuck are we going to sue and for what reason? We're not the US... yet.

[Katman]

I get that side of it... however we do it voluntarily (and could apply for a license :rofl:), who the fuck are we going to sue and for what reason? We're not the US... yet.

Sorry but we're not talking about cannabis here. There would be no need for testing in order for cannabis to be legalised. It's been around forever.

The government were never going to allow themselves to be seen as using their citizens as guinea pigs for testing new synthetic drugs.

[mashman]

Sorry but we're not talking about cannabis here. There would be no need for testing in order for cannabis to be legalised. It's been around forever.

The government were never going to allow themselves to be seen as using their citizens as guinea pigs for testing new synthetic drugs.

In which case you've taken your eye off the ball. Remember that debate they had on the telly when the synthetic drug rep stated that should Cannabis legalised demand for their product would vanish? Why is it called synthetic Cannabis? Yes it has been around for ever and it has only been illegal for a short time because of corporate greed. Cannabis status IS the debate.

Who's a guinea pig? If I choose to smoke it, which I did (and then promptly stopped after a few months use), then I will and no govt will tell me otherwise and no govt should have that power. A bunch of snot nosed spoilt brats and a bunch of propaganda to instill reefer madness into the people. Anyone who has bought into that shit needs their head examined... in fact I'd rather spending the testing money on that.

[Katman]

Cannabis status IS the debate.

Only in so far as it's illegality has led to the synthetic cannabis market.

The question of testing drugs on animals is not about cannabis.

[mashman]

Only in so far as it's illegality has led to the synthetic cannabis market.

The question of testing drugs on animals is not about cannabis.

How can you offer the first statement and then throw up that last statement. Testing of drugs on animals in this case is only because of the status of Cannabis. They're shifting the debate, don't buy it man.

[scissorhands]

NZ is the guinea pig for the whole world

Synthetic highs have a big long term future

albeit.... all because of patenting and manipulation of substances, *for profit* AND POPULATION CONTROLS

All nature based things like opiates, cocaine and cannabis are preferable to users....

But not preferable to companies who want control of the global high market, via patents

Worth a pretty penny indeed..... they will push gangs off the ball and wish to run with it themselves

Current producers doing deals with state but are in for a surprise butt fucking

As far as morality of testing goes, current animal testing of Pharma products is no different, as most of these tests are of substances that do little good, fuck peeps up..... even after testing.

And preferable to users natural options are dismissed as ineffective by corporation paid disinformation bots, who manipulate sheeple brains with ease

FUCK THE SYSTEM, ITS ALL BULLSHIT

[Katman]

NZ is the guinea pig for the whole world


Except that there are many countries that have banned the use of animals in recreational drug testing.

We seem to be falling behind in that respect.

[scissorhands]

Except that there are many countries that have banned the use of animals in recreational drug testing.

We seem to be falling behind in that respect.

bit like the UK banning sow stalls for cheap pork
now they just import it from Poland...
which has set up more farms to cater to the UK market

Why should outspoken non testing countries, risk revolt by testing when NZ will do it for them?

also these same countries use pharma drugs tested on animals

which country the testing is performed in, is really a moot issue, at the end of the day

the peep that buys these products, supports testing no matter where it is performed

I hear NZers also dont care about state supplied and fitted, butt fuck apparatus.... all good mate, she'll be right

[jonbuoy]

Animal testing happens all the time all over the world on nearly every new cleaning product, medicine, vaccine, perfume, makeup, anti aging product- why the sudden outrage?

[Katman]

Animal testing happens all the time all over the world on nearly every new cleaning product, medicine, vaccine, perfume, makeup, anti aging product- why the sudden outrage?

It's not a sudden outrage.

I've always been against the use of animals for the testing of cosmetics or recreational drugs.

The current issue is due to the public presentation of this particular Bill.

[scumdog]

Animal testing happens all the time all over the world on nearly every new cleaning product, medicine, vaccine, perfume, makeup, anti aging product- why the sudden outrage?

Gotta start somewhere...

[jonbuoy]

You must have to be a special kind of person to rub soap into a rabbits eye or inject a dog with something you know is toxic and will cause an animal extreme distress. I can see the reason behind it for life saving medical purposes. But to prove something you already know or just to sell an anti ageing product to someone desperate to hold onto their youth is abhorrent.

Back in the 80's I seem to remember big campaigns against animal testing - wonder why it fell out of the public eye? Humans are disgusting creatures at times.

[unstuck]

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[scissorhands]

The autistic liberation front:headbang:

[jim.cox]

No - these guys...

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[98tls]

You must have to be a special kind of person to rub soap into a rabbits eye or inject a dog with something you know is toxic and will cause an animal extreme distress.

Often thought that myself,made worse by the fact thats theres plenty of otherwise useless human beings rotting away in jails with no hope of being released for doing things similar so why not use them to supposedly benefit the rest.

[allycatz]

My beagle is an ex VARCC (Valley Animal Research Centre) beagle that was used for breeding purposes for the supply of puppies for testing. She was a nervous wee wreck and scared of her own shadow when we first got her. Now she has settled into the most loyal and lovable dog I've owned. I just can't imagine using these dogs for such tests. The last lot of beagle experients carried out at the research centre involved snapping dogs cruciate ligaments and testing pain levels against medication

[nerrrd]

My beagle is an ex VARCC (Valley Animal Research Centre) beagle that was used for breeding purposes for the supply of puppies for testing. She was a nervous wee wreck and scared of her own shadow when we first got her. Now she has settled into the most loyal and lovable dog I've owned. I just can't imagine using these dogs for such tests. The last lot of beagle experients carried out at the research centre involved snapping dogs cruciate ligaments and testing pain levels against medication

Beautiful dog, always thought if I ever had a dog it would be a beagle, my parents had a cocker spaniel who was really lovable...must take a whole different level of heartlessness to do that to a beagle. Karma will hopefully be a bitch to them.

[gammaguy]

Animal testing happens all the time all over the world on nearly every new cleaning product, medicine, vaccine, perfume, makeup, anti aging product- why the sudden outrage?

Murders,rapes,paedophilia and corruption happen all over the world too

Does that make it acceptable?

[granstar]

Murders,rapes,paedophilia and corruption happen all over the world too and those with " without doubt" life sentences rot in jails never to see daylight at our expense, a reason why I can't afford to pay the psychoactive substances bill.:oi-grr:

[blue rider]

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this is the only acceptable animal testing i can think of, surely the cow found its way to the greenery all by itself.

everything else is just cruelty, and it shows alot about the people that allow this type of "testing" on animals to happen.

[Smifffy]

The autistic liberation front:headbang:

Fuck that. Lock em all up before they run amok.... :drool::drool::msn-wink:


John Key can add vivisectionist to his cv now too.

[scissorhands]

Fuck that. Lock em all up before they run amok.... :drool::drool::msn-wink:


John Key can add vivisectionist to his cv now too.

the virtual jail now imposed by society/medication
is prolly the main reason a very very few are presently running amok.....
luckily for society, most choose to take their own lives
or commit slow suicide with a substance addiction
or choose a chemical straitjacket from the doc
paid for by the tax payer!!!

check the website SSRI stories for more!

http://ssristories.com/

oh yeah, SSRI are tested on animals too
John Kirwan has a lot to be ashamed of

[Katman]

Why was it that the National Party moved to have the submissions that were to be presented to the select committee on animal testing suppressed?

Are the National Party involved in some underhanded deal with the drug manufacturers to provide them with cheaper testing options?

[Katman]

Just so you know, these are the sort of dogs that will most likely be used to test these party pills on.

These ones are lucky dogs though. The ones who will be used to test party pills will almost certainly never be released and will most likely be so traumatised that they will have to be euthanised.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLZMxRP_F5w

[Smifffy]

Personally, I'm not too bothered about the LD50 of the stuff. The more dropkicks that just straight out die from smoking it helps out the cause of Darwin IMO. As someone else said though the animal testing won't tell us if the shit turns people into angry mr stabby rage boy with a klepto fetish. That shit we can do without.

Dropkick here is setting up a dedicated shop for the shit. I wonder how long it will be before it gets destroyed by an angry parent, or a stabby rage boy looking for a fix.

[Katman]

Personally, I'm not too bothered about the LD50 of the stuff.


Unfortunately, it's not the 'dropkicks' that will be getting the lethal dose.

[Smifffy]

Unfortunately, it's not the 'dropkicks' that will be getting the lethal dose.

Yeah, so why even bother testing it for LD50 is the point I was trying to make.

[imdying]

I don't see the problem; just like cattle and chickens, you can just breed more of them. Stuff a steel rod through the brain of a cow and quick or not, it's still dead. Animals are here for eating, working, and amusement. That hasn't changed and never will.

[Crasherfromwayback]

. Animals are here for amusement.

You don't happen to live in Rangiora do ya?

[imdying]

Never thrown a dog a ball? Watched AFV? Been to a zoo? A safari? A circus? They've been amusement, food, and workers since forever. Police dogs get stabbed, this isn't different, it's just another form of a working dog doing things humans aren't stupid enough to.

[Katman]

I don't see the problem; just like cattle and chickens, you can just breed more of them. Stuff a steel rod through the brain of a cow and quick or not, it's still dead. Animals are here for eating, working, and amusement. That hasn't changed and never will.

At least I'm not surprised by your opinion.

You seem to hate everything equally.

[scissorhands]

Never thrown a dog a ball? Watched AFV? Been to a zoo? A safari? A circus? They've been amusement, food, and workers since forever. Police dogs get stabbed, this isn't different, it's just another form of a working dog doing things humans aren't stupid enough to.

I have protested zoo's, circus and factory farming. Karma is a real bitch

many of these 'dropkicks' are 16yr old boys
sons of fathers here on KB too
many are victims of bad parenting
many are victims of a crap health system
they should be protected
not harmed further

and people call me retarded with no empathy
meh

[Akzle]

this isn't different, it's just another form of a working dog doing things humans aren't stupid enough to.
but there are p;lenty of humans stupid enough to do the shit.. that's apparently the "problem"...


and people call me retarded with no empathy
yes. they do.

[Katman]

A petition of 70,000 signatures supporting the amendment to the Bill was ignored by the select committee.

MPs need to be bombarded with emails spelling out the fact that public opinion should not be so lightly ignored.

http://animalwelfare.org.nz/?fb_action_ids=10201396223648172&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210201396223648172%22%3A101 51033102248105%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210201396223648172%22%3A%22og .likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D

(By clicking on 'a message' above where you select your local MP you can view the email that is being sent).

[Akzle]

A petition of 70,000 signatures supporting the amendment to the Bill was ignored by the select committee.

MPs need to be bombarded with emails spelling out the fact that public opinion should not be so lightly ignored.

http://animalwelfare.org.nz/?fb_action_ids=10201396223648172&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210201396223648172%22%3A101 51033102248105%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210201396223648172%22%3A%22og .likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D

(By clicking on 'a message' above where you select your local MP you can view the email that is being sent).

or.


Set your local mp on fire.

[unstuck]

Would love to see bill english on fire.:headbang::headbang::headbang:
Mind you, I wouldn't call him a local anymore. Even though he has his office here, that guy is a real fuckin muppet.:wacko:

[puddytat]

Send 'em some white powder......

[SMOKEU]

Why was it that the National Party moved to have the submissions that were to be presented to the select committee on animal testing suppressed?

Are the National Party involved in some underhanded deal with the drug manufacturers to provide them with cheaper testing options?

What else do you expect from jews?

[Banditbandit]

A petition of 70,000 signatures supporting the amendment to the Bill was ignored by the select committee.



70,000 is not even the size of two electorates ... why would a Government take any notice? Spread that number across the whole country (1,000 per electorate) and it will probably not affect voting outcomes ... Governments can afford to ignore that because it's a low risk